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Speaker 3: All right, Ukraine, let's start with that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little bit about a very

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Speaker 2: strategic defeat for the Ukrainians in this war, as there's

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Speaker 2: been major developments the Munich Security Conference. Then our friend

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Speaker 2: the death of Russian dissonant Alexey Navalne, who was found

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Speaker 2: start with Ukraine. So there's been some major, major developments

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Speaker 2: out of Ukraine. I did a monologue on Thursday discussing

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Speaker 2: and in that I previewed the Battle of Advica, very

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Speaker 2: officially confirmed by the Ukrainians, has fallen to Russian forces.

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Speaker 2: They say, quote with Ukrainian forces at the risk of encirclement,

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Speaker 2: What they describe Ryan is that this city, as I said,

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Speaker 1: What does it mean for the front line and what

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Speaker 2: Well, again not the general but military analysts that I've

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Speaker 4: This was the spot to hold, and that's why they've

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say, The.

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Speaker 6: Idea that now if you run now of ammunition, we

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Speaker 3: So as you can see Ryan President Biden.

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Speaker 3: This demonstrates why the Ukrainians are losing.

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Speaker 5: He's absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he knows the military situation, I know the

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Speaker 8: I think in order to fill.

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Speaker 7: The gap between now and when we can try to

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Speaker 7: I think is what's going to have to happen, other

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Speaker 3: Send it to Ukraine.

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Speaker 7: We've got to keep Ukraine going, and they are running

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Speaker 7: out of ammunition. I was just speaking with some Ukrainian representatives,

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Speaker 3: That's all they're getting, and they need more help. This

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Speaker 1: It's just worth pointing out that earlier, after the counter

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Speaker 1: So that meant things are going really well, so we

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Speaker 3: It's interesting circular logic.

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Speaker 1: And you can imagine if it's stalemated, well, obviously you

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Speaker 2: So exactly right, because we just want to send more weabs. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They refuse to deal with reality.

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Speaker 2: I actually went through and read a new report by

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: I've highlighted the relevant portion, which also includes a graphic.

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Speaker 2: It says, therefore, it is almost certain Western ammunition deliveries

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Speaker 2: Now that is a very mild way of saying it.

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Speaker 2: And as you guys can actually see, there was a

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Speaker 2: and Western economies right now. So in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Russia produced four hundred thousand shells. In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Estonians to be able to produce four point five million. Now, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: the European Union has had seven months to promise one

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Speaker 2: million shells, so one out of do the math there,

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Speaker 2: what is that twenty five percent or so of the

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Speaker 2: shells that the Russians are going to be able to produce?

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Speaker 2: How many do you think they are actually able to

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Speaker 2: to run production?

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Speaker 1: If I had a guess, yeah, does discount ones that

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Speaker 1: they're like secretly buying from Pakagting No.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the ones they're actually able to

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Speaker 2: produce in house. If they were able to give them

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Speaker 2: a couple thousand, Yeah, half a million, half a million,

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Speaker 2: so half of the promised amount having seven months to

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Speaker 2: is an industrial reality.

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Speaker 4: But they are the Mercedes Benz of shells.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but here's the other problem, as you just alluded to. Now,

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, maybe we need to buy them from

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Speaker 2: somebody else. How do you know they're going to sell

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Speaker 2: Exactly, the South Koreans they have a policy in their

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't want people to get me wrong, if

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Speaker 3: It's like, do you want to do that?

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Speaker 2: You know, you want me to rush in the coffee

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Speaker 3: But here's what they don't tell you guys. It would

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Speaker 2: For those shells to be able to roll off in

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Speaker 2: Even if we were to supply all of this ammunition,

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Speaker 3: Situation, you actually need more than the enemy if you

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Speaker 2: This is again from military tacticians and analysts that I've followed.

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Speaker 3: At best, what you would be arguing for maybe.

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Speaker 2: It's for them to quote hold the line, but this

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Speaker 3: The situation is hopeless for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's really one of the they would be

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Speaker 1: And fundamentally, what we're talking about is kind of restructuring

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Speaker 4: Can just go on forever. Yes, Like, who does that

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Speaker 1: This is two countries that are fighting over territory between

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Of course not.

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Speaker 2: You know, all it would take is literally a phone

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Speaker 3: You can ask Victor Orbh of Hungary. He said that.

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Speaker 2: figure it out. Yeah, he said, this will not be

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Speaker 2: it was out rejected, completely out of hand. The reason

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Speaker 2: again I'm spending time here is you need to know

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Speaker 2: the reality. It's not there's no secret artillery. There's no

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Speaker 2: there were, why would we send them to you? Frank,

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Speaker 2: you want to drain us to the zero to send

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Speaker 2: them so they.

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Speaker 1: When we attack the cartels, the cars will cartels invade

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a joke. It's true. It's not

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Speaker 3: even just cartels. I mean, who knows there's so many

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Speaker 2: Clow would I would be remiss if I didn't say,

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Speaker 2: if you're a pro Israel person, the Israelis, guess what

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Speaker 3: They want the same ones as the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 4: Because they will go to war with Lebanon.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was funny to see Hillary Clinton say if

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Speaker 4: Like, is she bds opponent? All of a sudden, She's.

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Speaker 1: Like, maybe you're right, She's like kidding, And is you're

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Speaker 3: Look this reality. I mean it's sad.

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Speaker 2: It is sad because if you think about it, back

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Speaker 3: All that of the economy.

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Speaker 2: All this is ever, all this has really done, is

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Speaker 4: Is taking on a pretty big country.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, certainly, but which we.

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Speaker 1: Seem to forget. It's like the Ukraine is not fighting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're right, I mean, and that's one of

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Speaker 2: those two where it's clear that we've under they've significantly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they never liked that, one of them. Maybe it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen as well,

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Speaker 2: But the truth is is that even if they had parody,

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Speaker 2: that presumes that it would be worth draining our coffers

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Speaker 3: For what nobody ever answers that question.

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Speaker 1: You would think that after the second counter offensive, that

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Speaker 3: But that's not the answer. Rights more, which is do more, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I fewer people you're running out of and older people

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Speaker 1: yegor who we're going to have on next He said it,

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Speaker 1: He said it really well, either they run out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually it may even be sooner than that.

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Speaker 2: Six hundred and fifty thousand conscript age Ukrainian men have

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Speaker 3: Up for grabs, you know, to be able to go.

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Speaker 2: The average age of the military is somewhere around forty

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Speaker 2: And you know, even if you gave them like you said,

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Speaker 2: of now what very difficult?

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Speaker 4: In two years? What about four?

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Speaker 1: There's no reason that Russia's going to stop unless we

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's what reality is like. It's not pretty,

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Speaker 3: Required to do by state law.

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Speaker 2: So in the middle of the hearing there was a

442
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Speaker 2: dramatic moment where Fanny Willis originally was defying or saying

443
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Speaker 2: that she would not comply with a subpoena to come

444
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Speaker 2: and testify, rushed to the courtroom to try and tell

445
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Speaker 2: the truth and quickly fell apart on the stand with

446
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: her story. The story that the two of them have

447
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: decided to concoct is that while yes, they did attend

448
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: many lavish vacations and take a lot of cool trips

449
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: together hotel rooms, etc. That she did pay him back,

450
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Speaker 2: but she did it in untraceable amounts of cash.

451
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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

452
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about both of those.

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Speaker 9: I know he initially paid for it.

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Speaker 5: Did you pay him back for the cruise and for

455
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Speaker 5: a rub? But yeah, I gave him his money before

456
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Speaker 5: we ever went on that trip.

457
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Speaker 9: You gave him cash before you ever went on the trip,

458
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Speaker 9: m okay. And so when you got cash to pay

459
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Speaker 9: him back on these trips, would you go to the

460
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Speaker 9: ATM No.

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Speaker 3: Lady, you would not go to the ATM No.

462
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Speaker 10: And my worst days has probably only been five hundred

463
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Speaker 10: or one thousand dollars.

464
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Speaker 5: At my best days, I probably had fifteen thousand.

465
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Speaker 9: Dollars in my house.

466
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Speaker 10: A kid cash at all times, there's going to be

467
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Speaker 10: cash in my house or whenever I'm laying my head.

468
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Speaker 9: The money that you paid and it's her way the

469
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Speaker 9: cash in October of twenty twenty two, you do not

470
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Speaker 9: know where that money came from.

471
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Speaker 11: I do know where it came from.

472
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Speaker 12: It came from my sweat and tears.

473
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Speaker 3: It came from her sweat and tears.

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Speaker 12: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: However, when she was asked if she could produce withdrawal

476
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Speaker 2: and deposit slips from the ATM and she could prove

477
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Speaker 2: from her bank account the withdrawal of said cash, she said, well,

478
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Speaker 2: it's just accumulated over the years. Who knows where it

479
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: came from. It's a very interesting defense. Actually spawned a

480
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: discussion here in our studio. I was told I'm out

481
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: of touch generationally because I don't have sympathy for people

482
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Speaker 2: who just keep vast amounts of cash around and listen,

483
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, at a at a like a level of

484
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Speaker 2: like the Great Depression and not trusting the banking system. Listen,

485
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Speaker 2: I'm totally with you. There's just a little bit of

486
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: a problem. It turns out that miss Willis pays her

487
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Speaker 2: rent with the cash app and that whenever it's convenient

488
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: for other expenses that she does use you know, credit cards,

489
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Speaker 2: the bank, the official banking system, traceable bank system. It's

490
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Speaker 2: only in this instance where she's being asked to provide

491
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Speaker 2: evidence that she did, in fact not flout Georgia corruption

492
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: law and did payback her lover for the lavish vacations.

493
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Speaker 2: That she does claim that she had these vast amounts

494
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Speaker 2: of cash that was available to her, and that in

495
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Speaker 2: every single instance, unlike previously when she was using legitimate

496
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Speaker 2: banking tools or traceable ones, that she was no, she

497
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Speaker 2: did not default.

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Speaker 3: To that in every instance.

499
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Speaker 2: Very reasonable and very obviously not a cover story.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it.

501
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Speaker 1: It certainly does stink like a cover story.

502
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Speaker 4: I always root for people to get away with cover stories.

503
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Speaker 1: Yes, And I hate the way that the state can

504
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: trace every little die.

505
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Speaker 4: I hate your stomach.

506
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Speaker 1: So the way that this kind of cover story usually

507
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: unravels is that somebody will get text messages between the

508
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: two of them where they will say, let's let's tell

509
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors that we paid each other in cash, and

510
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: then somebody thumbs up the message and then that goes

511
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Speaker 1: in front of the jury and you're like, oh, wow, yes,

512
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so busted.

513
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Speaker 12: Here.

514
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Speaker 1: Her real problem ethically was once she was in a

515
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: romantic relationship, well his problem. Pro tip if you're getting divorced,

516
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: don't take it to court.

517
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: Because ask Bill Gates, mister.

518
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: Past Bill Gates, we would know about all his Epstein's stuff.

519
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: If he had just paid whatever she was asking, whatever

520
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: she was asking, you pay that, you're going to be fine.

521
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: But her problem was once they were in a real

522
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: romantic relationship, was hiring him to begin with? That's right,

523
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: once they're dating, Why am I supposed to care who

524
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: pays for dinner?

525
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Speaker 4: We don't care about cruise, right, But it.

526
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Speaker 1: Was because she hired him. Now she's responsible for him

527
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Speaker 1: making that money, and now the state has an interest

528
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Speaker 1: in who's paying for this cruise and who's paying for

529
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Speaker 1: the dinner.

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Speaker 3: And we're not talking about five K, two K or something.

531
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Speaker 2: We're talking about six seven hundred thousand dollars which he

532
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: needs to account for, and by all accounts was an

533
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Speaker 2: inexperienced prosecutor. If you go back and you read before

534
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: the affair came to light, there were a lot of

535
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Speaker 2: questions in Georgia. They're like, hey, why did she hire

536
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: this guy? Like, you know, he kind of came out

537
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: of nowhere. There are a lot of other people that

538
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: she could have turned to. It's a very odd choice,

539
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: but it appears that she has trust in him. She

540
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: certainly did. I guess trusting with that amount of cash.

541
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Speaker 2: Mister Wade, by the way, going with the story at court,

542
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Speaker 2: here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: You said in the affidavit that you roughly shared.

544
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Speaker 3: Travel though, correct, Yes, ma'an okay.

545
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 9: So this roughly sharing travel, you're saying she reimbursed you.

546
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 9: She did, And where did you deposit the money she

547
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 9: reimbursed you?

548
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Speaker 5: It was cash? She didn't She didn't give me any chicks.

549
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 8: So she paid you cash for her share of.

550
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Speaker 5: All these bats.

551
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Speaker 12: Mister Shaffer, you'll step out if you do.

552
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: That again, yes, ma'am, okay.

553
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Speaker 9: And so all of the vacations that she took she paid.

554
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Speaker 12: You cash for, yes, ma'am.

555
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 9: And you purchased all of these vacations.

556
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: On your business credit card, correct, yes, ma'am.

557
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 9: And you included those in deductions on your taxes correct?

558
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 5: No, man, no, you did not.

559
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: So you purchased all this So how why is it

560
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: mss Willis is only using cash, but he's getting these

561
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: point maxing whenever he's lying stuff on his business He

562
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: won those points credit card, right, but why doesn't she

563
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: want any points? That's what I understand what's happening here.

564
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: That's true? Give that's those points?

565
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 3: Megan Kelly did a great summary really of this.

566
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Speaker 2: Let me put this stuff there on the screen, just

567
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: because there's so much that came out of this hearing.

568
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Speaker 3: Number one, this actually preceded both of their testimony.

569
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: Fanning Willis's close friend testified to the court under oath

570
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: that their romantic relationship began way before Fanning Willis hired him,

571
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: meaning that they both lied to the court. Number two,

572
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: Wade claimed that she reimbursed him for all of these

573
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: very expensive trips, including wine tasting to Napa bitch. She

574
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: made clear just so you know, Ryan, She's like, I

575
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: don't even like wine. I prefer Ga Gray Goose. So

576
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: thank you for that, Miss Willis. She says, of course

577
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: it was on cash. And then three, he definitely caught

578
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: lying on his earlier court submissions in divorce court, attempting

579
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to say that the reason he swore that he had

580
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: no receipts was because he only had credit card statements

581
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: reflecting the charges.

582
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Speaker 3: I have secondhand embarrassment.

583
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is one where there is also

584
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: other instances, for example, Ryan, where she claimed that she

585
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: had large amounts of cash on hand because she had

586
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: just come off.

587
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: Of her campaign. And you're like, wait what, Hold on

588
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: a second, It's like record scratch, what are you saying?

589
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: Did you mean he'sh.

590
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: Where's Georgia Bureau of in exactly?

591
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Can we get the Georgia Election Bureau who you are allegedly, you.

592
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: Know, prosecuting Trump on behalf.

593
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: Of Oh yeah, a whole bunch of cash from your campaign.

594
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: Well you said this last time, and maybe you can

595
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: explain it again. The problem here is the corruption law.

596
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Her Tawdrey affair and all that other stuff is a

597
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: secondary concern. The law is clear, like you have to

598
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: reimburse people, you know, especially when you're in a personal relationship,

599
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: and you have to be able to account for that.

600
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I was explaining to our crew previously, like

601
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: if I spend ten dollars on our account or whatever,

602
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: and it's not immediately clear. My accountants are up my

603
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: ass this same day they're like, hey, what is this

604
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: charge for? You need to clearly explain and all this

605
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: just so I can be compliant in the event that

606
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: irs or whatever.

607
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: She's the Georgia prosecutor. I mean, you know, it's like

608
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: she clearly has a.

609
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 2: Present interest, far more present than I do, of you know,

610
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: dotting my eyes crossing my t's and all that stuff,

611
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: just to prove in any event that someone would ever

612
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: look at our books that all are our finances are

613
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: one hundred percent legit.

614
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: What makes this difficult for her She can either get

615
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: caught in the affair or she can follow the law,

616
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: because if you're having an affair, you're not going to

617
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: be then like, you know, five hundred dollars from Fanny

618
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: willis in the bank account, So you can imagine why,

619
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: let's say it was cash, or that she's not paying

620
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: it back, why that would happen. But fundamentally for people

621
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Speaker 1: to understand, it's an anti kickback law. If you are

622
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: a public figure who has your fingers on the purse

623
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: strings of the public money, and you have the power

624
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: to give let's say one hundred thousand dollars contract to

625
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: somebody everywhere throughout world history, what happens is that somebody

626
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: who wants that contract says, give me the one hundred k,

627
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: and I'll kick you back ten K. Yes, And so

628
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: as a public official, so many of them are like, great,

629
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: what do I care who does who gets this project

630
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: or who we hire. I'm going to walk away with

631
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars so it's an anti kickback law. You

632
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: can't take more than x, you know, a very nominal

633
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: amount of money from somebody who got a contract. And

634
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: so he got six seven hundred thousand dollars contract to

635
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: be the lawyer on this thing. She can't take money back.

636
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: What makes it ethically and weirdly different is that it

637
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really a kickback, like we know what was going

638
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: on here, but it is a violation. But it is,

639
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: But you've stumbled into a violation.

640
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I have friends who work in

641
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: because I hired him.

642
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: If I got enough dinner.

643
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: With them, as you know, it's a pain in the

644
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: ass sometimes like well, I can't accept it, you know,

645
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: because I'll be like I'll take the check because I

646
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: want the points right, and I'm like, no, I can

647
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: only accept up to twenty dollars or what. And these

648
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: are these people are the low level staffers as compared

649
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: to this lady.

650
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going up against the former president of the

651
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: United States as a state level prosecutor.

652
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: You have to have your ducks in a row.

653
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: You would think, I forget what the recent case was

654
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: where somebody got got caught up. They were well, I forget.

655
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I forget it was in the two It was just

656
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: a month ago or whatever. They went down for something

657
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: that they were completely guilty of, but it had nothing

658
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: to do with like the initial things like but if

659
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: but if you're if you're taking on a power center,

660
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: like they're gonna come for you, right, and then they're

661
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna find whatever you did wrong.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I was thinking of Claudie and Gray and Glasure

663
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Speaker 4: as that's what it was.

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Speaker 12: That's right.

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Speaker 1: It's like, look, if you're going to be president of Harvard,

666
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Speaker 1: you got to have your daughter.

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Speaker 3: It's actually not complicent.

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Speaker 1: Even though they were not coming after you for that.

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Speaker 1: It was about Israel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly what are you doing?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 2: Why do you think I'm where do you think we're

673
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Speaker 2: so neurotical? I know that we talk a lot of

674
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Speaker 2: shit about a lot of people in power, and it's

675
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Speaker 2: like you want to come go ahead, all right? You know,

676
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Speaker 2: probably a little bit too cautious over here at breaking points.

677
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Speaker 2: The final thing here is MSNBC had to come up

678
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Speaker 2: with the best defense of miss willis that they could.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 13: The testimony on the whole was calmer then I expected

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Speaker 13: it to be.

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Speaker 8: When she first walked in, you were worried, but also

683
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Speaker 8: incredibly detailed it.

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Speaker 5: I thought her portrayal of why it.

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Speaker 13: Is that she pays for things in cash and has

686
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Speaker 13: lots of cash on hand was very compelling. Basically, it

687
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Speaker 13: was a life lesson she learned from her father and

688
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Speaker 13: then sort of joked about the way that she was

689
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Speaker 13: raised by that old white man as she referred to

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Speaker 13: Yeah and KETHERR Kristian.

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Speaker 5: And the defense oversold this.

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Speaker 7: There was no evidence other than the woman who is

693
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Speaker 7: a former friend and.

694
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Speaker 5: A former employee.

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Speaker 7: That's their evidence, and anyone who has an elderly black

696
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Speaker 7: parent or elderly black people in life.

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Speaker 5: No, it's about.

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Speaker 7: Keeping cash because you never know where you're going to

699
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Speaker 7: need it.

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Speaker 5: So she's been very credible.

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Speaker 2: It's very credible because there is an antiquated racial explanation

702
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Speaker 2: that is based.

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Speaker 4: In white people too.

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Speaker 1: My grandfather, who lived through the depression, keeps cash, and

705
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Speaker 1: so I'm actually not doubting whether she keeps a lot

706
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Speaker 1: of cash with her. What I am kind of doubting

707
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Speaker 1: is whether she unrolled a whole bunch of it handed.

708
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Speaker 2: It's like, really, you reimburse him for every trip, every

709
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: single trip, because if you didn't. You violated the law.

710
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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, you can't prove it. And it's

711
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Speaker 2: like the Epstein things saying, I'm not comparing the two.

712
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm just saying whenever I would read through the financial

713
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: services reports around Epstein from New York and all those others,

714
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: he would take out, you know, nine and ninety nine

715
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Speaker 2: dollars for tips, and every single time he would write

716
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Speaker 2: it out like this is for tips, and it's like, really,

717
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Speaker 2: it's like that's obviously supposed to trigger alerts inside of

718
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Speaker 2: the system. Hunter too, if anybody wants to know, if

719
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Speaker 2: you go and you read his you know, extravaganza back

720
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Speaker 2: and all expenses, he was spending six seven hundred thousand dollars,

721
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Speaker 2: often in cash. In general, when people do shady things,

722
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: they're spending large amounts of cash, specifically to try and

723
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Speaker 2: stay out of the legitimate banking system, and specifically because

724
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Speaker 2: she was able and often did use the legitimate banking

725
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Speaker 2: system for other expenses. It makes her explanation even more

726
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Speaker 2: doubtable as to how this was not untoward and to

727
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Speaker 2: why we shouldn't really.

728
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Speaker 3: Believe a lot of what she said.

729
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Speaker 4: So what's going to happen there?

730
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Speaker 2: I mean there's they're previously a judge had said that

731
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Speaker 2: this possibly could be grounds for dismissal. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where at the very least, I mean,

733
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Speaker 2: I think you could put a decent amount of reasonable

734
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Speaker 2: doubt in jury's head.

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Speaker 3: Prosecution.

736
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Speaker 4: Do you find a new prosecutor? What do you do?

737
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm look, I'm not there guy to ask. I

738
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Speaker 2: don't know about Georgia double jeopardy or any of that.

739
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: From what I know the people in the Trump people Georgia.

740
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Speaker 2: I've said that before. He's touched by God. And I

741
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: don't even believe in God but neither, but he's touched

742
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Speaker 2: by it. He has been you know, he's had his

743
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: hands laid. There's an angel who was looking out.

744
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Speaker 4: It was from that White House when they all laid

745
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Speaker 4: their hands.

746
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Speaker 3: Maybe you're right, Maybe it worked, it worked. Maybe I

747
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: should have listened to the evangelicals when I was growing up.

748
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Speaker 3: Maybe they were right. All right, let's move on to

749
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Speaker 3: the next part here.

750
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Speaker 2: Matt Tayibe out with a new report, taking a couple

751
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Speaker 2: of time days to digest this one, and I wanted

752
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Speaker 2: to Actually, you're a great person to talk about it with.

753
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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: It traces back to some of the original days of

755
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Speaker 2: Russia Gate with some pretty interesting reporting.

756
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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is coby lined Matt Tayibi, Michael Schellenberger over at

758
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Public and Alex gutten Tog, three excellent reporters.

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Speaker 3: They say, quote it was all a lie. The Trump Russia.

760
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Speaker 2: Scandal made its formal launch on January sixteenth, twenty seventeen,

761
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Speaker 2: when the Office of the d and I published what

762
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Speaker 2: was known then as the Intelligence Community Assessment. However, the

763
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Speaker 2: report declared that Russia and Putin interfered in the twenty

764
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Speaker 2: sixteen presidential election to denigrate Hillary Clinton to arm her

765
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Speaker 2: electability thanks to her preference for President Donald Trump.

766
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Speaker 3: It was powerful stuff and it was dead wrong.

767
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Speaker 2: So according to them, there was an inside effort by

768
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Speaker 2: the CIA within the DNI as well to try and

769
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Speaker 2: to demonstrate that they cooked the intelligence to say that

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Speaker 2: quote Russia had favored Hillary Clinton and not Trump in

771
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, according to several sources that they had spoken to.

772
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Speaker 2: Matt's been obviously working on reporting and news like this

773
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Speaker 2: now for quite some time. I think the effective allegation

774
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: within it, and it's very detailed that you guys can

775
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: go and read is that they selectively made intelligence important

776
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Speaker 2: that claimed that Russia would like for Donald Trump to

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Speaker 2: win in twenty sixteen, to then make it a declarative

778
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Speaker 2: conclusion that they could put in the so called declassified

779
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Speaker 2: intelligence assessment. And I mean, Ryan, you and I were

780
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Speaker 2: reporting at that time that intelligence assessment right before Trump

781
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: takes office. Is tremendously influential for overall of Russiagate because

782
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Speaker 2: front page of the New York Times, you know, intel

783
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Speaker 2: Russia wanted Trump to win right as he's taking office.

784
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Speaker 2: This is while you know the Muller investigation and all that,

785
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: the very early days of that began to come forward.

786
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: You have big discussions around James Comey and is firing.

787
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Speaker 2: This is years now, you know, in retrospect. But the

788
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: reason why I think it is important is that once

789
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: something Matt has really not ever let go, and what

790
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: he is truly correct about is the seiasic implications of

791
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Speaker 2: Russia Gate, because it's a lot like the Iraq War

792
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: and their fortieth order consequences. It was a media scandal, certainly,

793
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: you know Iraq WMD level failure, but it also constrained

794
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: a lot of legitimate options for the President of the

795
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: United States, Trump in many cases tried to prove he

796
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: was tougher on Russia then Obama shipping weapons to Ukraine.

797
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Speaker 2: Anyone want to tell me how that worked out in

798
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Speaker 2: terms of the war. It certainly realigned the entire Democratic

799
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: Party to become much more anti Russia. If you go

800
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Speaker 2: back and you read President Obama's twenty fifteen interview with

801
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg, he sounds like me. You know, He'll be like,

802
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: He'll be like, listen, you know, Ukraine is not a

803
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: major strategic interest for America. If you really want to

804
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Speaker 2: make the argument that Americans should die for Ukraine, go ahead.

805
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Speaker 3: I don't agree with you. What happened to that Democratic Party?

806
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Speaker 3: It's gone.

807
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Speaker 1: That's a year after the kind of Dawnbus war break, right, Yeah.

808
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Speaker 1: And twenty twelve, liberals including me, cheered during the presidential

809
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Speaker 1: debate with Obama and Romney where Romney.

810
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Speaker 3: Bayonets moment, Yeah that's great, and he's.

811
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Speaker 1: Like, he's talking about Russia being the our biggest geostrategic adversary,

812
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, Obama's like, what are you talking about?

813
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: This is not nineteen twelve.

814
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, banets and the battleships and like cavalry and like horses,

815
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: like come on, get into the modern era.

816
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Speaker 4: This is not and actually and.

817
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Speaker 3: That is and he was right.

818
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: Obama was right.

819
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: He was right about that, and Putin actually wanted him

820
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Speaker 1: to be right about that. And this is something that

821
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Speaker 1: Jegor has actually talked about that the main thing that

822
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Speaker 1: we misunderstand both about the collapse of the Soviet Union

823
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Speaker 1: and also Putin's psychology is that when the Soviet Union collapse,

824
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Speaker 1: that the elites who took it over and turned themselves

825
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Speaker 1: into oligarchs thought they were going to get a martial

826
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Speaker 1: plan from the United States, thought that they if they

827
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Speaker 1: basically surrendered the Cold War, that the West would then

828
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Speaker 1: welcome them in to this world of nations where you

829
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Speaker 1: get to have this nice inequality at the very top.

830
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Speaker 1: Because they misunderstood the conflict between the Soviet Union and

831
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Speaker 1: the West as around communism and around kind of capitalism

832
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Speaker 1: versus communism, when actually it was about you know, the

833
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: West versus another power center like it, it was purely

834
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Speaker 1: about power. So Russia replacing the Silvi Union didn't actually

835
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Speaker 1: change that from our calculus, but from Putin's perspective, and

836
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: you can see this bleeding all through the Tucker interview.

837
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Speaker 1: He just wants the West to like him and like

838
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Speaker 1: accept him as Yeah.

839
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Speaker 3: He's like, we wanted to be a part of NATO.

840
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Speaker 3: We want They.

841
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Speaker 1: Literally asked to be part of NATO, and we're like, no,

842
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: NATO exists to go to war with you, so why

843
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: would we let you in it? And from their perspective,

844
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Speaker 1: they're like, well, so there's no war. We're like, yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: that's the whole point. We need a conflict to constantly

846
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: kind of keep our thing going. And they could never

847
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and they could never understand that. And then this gave

848
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Speaker 1: this Russia Gate situation gave the West the opportunity to

849
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Speaker 1: kind of put Russia back in the place that it

850
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Speaker 1: that it likes, which is.

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Speaker 3: I would say too all cerial empowered.

852
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Speaker 5: This one.

853
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Speaker 3: People don't understand.

854
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Putin has always been the same, all right, as you said, Yes,

855
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: he definitely does want the West like him and all that,

856
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: but he sees the follows of a union as a tragedy.

857
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Speaker 2: But the best question they talk or asked him in

858
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: the interview is like, look, if all this bullshit is true,

859
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Speaker 2: why didn't you just invade Ukraine on the day that

860
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: you took office? And the truth is is that he

861
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: didn't have enough control, and not enough of the oligarchic

862
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: elite agreed with him.

863
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Speaker 3: They wanted to be friendly with West. They like it here.

864
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Speaker 3: That's why it sucks for them that they can't.

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Speaker 4: Leave Manhattan, Mia.

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Speaker 2: That's why they hate that they can't access their cool

867
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Speaker 2: properties in Brooklyn in New York. And you know that

868
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: what is that stupid ass building in the middle of

869
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Speaker 2: New York. It's probably empty right now, the result of well,

870
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Speaker 2: I forget time, warnersenter or something like that, they should

871
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Speaker 2: tear that thing down.

872
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: That's a whole other conversation.

873
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: The point just being that the Russian oligarchic elite, you know,

874
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: it took them years to be able to put in

875
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: a place where Putin could finagle all of society such

876
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: that he could take an oppositional stance towards Russia. Russia

877
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Gate was a gift to him to be able to

878
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: purge the elite of any Western friendly people. Combined then

879
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: with the Ukraine invasion and the subsequent sanctions, part of

880
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: why he is much stronger today in that society than

881
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: he ever was ten years ago. And prior Russia Gate

882
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Speaker 2: was hugely influential to that. I also find it interesting

883
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Speaker 2: that everybody seems to ignore the more recent Putin interview

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Speaker 2: not with Tucker after Tucker, where he said I would

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Speaker 2: prefer Biden. I actually would like Biden to win the election.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say. I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: ahead and read this. You have a Kremlin interviewer. They say,

888
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Speaker 2: who's better for US, Biden or Trump? Putin says Biden.

889
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Speaker 2: He's more experienced, he's more predictable. He is an old

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Speaker 2: school politician, he says, But we will work with any

891
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Speaker 2: US leader who the American people have confidence in. And

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Speaker 2: I just find that astounding. He says it outright. Trump

893
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Speaker 2: is he trolling a little bit, but he trolls all

894
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Speaker 2: the time. How do you know when we take it

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Speaker 2: seriously or not.

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Speaker 1: What he's saying is that predictability matters. Yes, And it's

897
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Speaker 1: not crazy to look at Trump and be like, not

898
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: exactly sure what he's going to do, Like Trump is

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Speaker 1: not predictable.

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Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton. He despised Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: He blamed Hillary Clinton for basically election interference in his

902
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Speaker 1: you know, he blamed aimed her at when she was

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State for sparking protests against him with Navolney

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Speaker 1: et cetera. He believes, you know, he sees the hand

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Speaker 1: of the CIA everywhere as frankly, you know, any foreign

906
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Speaker 1: government ought to He's.

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Speaker 3: It's not all our fault, but it's not like we

908
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Speaker 3: weren't involved either. Let's all be real.

909
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Speaker 1: So it's clear that he does not like Hillary Clinton,

910
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Speaker 1: did not like want her to be president, but he

911
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Speaker 1: doesn't want anybody to.

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Speaker 4: Be president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: If the president, if there's going to be a president

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Speaker 1: of United States, you can imagine why he'd say, you

915
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Speaker 1: know what, let's have one that's more predictable than less predictable.

916
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Speaker 1: And if it's going to be Trump, let's try to

917
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Speaker 1: like influence him one way or another. Like so you

918
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Speaker 1: can you can see all of the things being true,

919
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Speaker 1: like the influence campaign. You could be seen as like,

920
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Speaker 1: we don't know how Trump is going to be as

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Speaker 1: president if he is president, but if he is, let's

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Speaker 1: try to have him, you know, buddies with us.

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Speaker 2: An interesting question too, would be let's say Trump does

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Speaker 2: come in office, he does fulfill his promise of ending

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine War on day one, Let's say that we

926
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Speaker 2: did freeze things. I'm not so convinced things would be

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Speaker 2: all kumbai AA in Russia. I mean, the Russian economy

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Speaker 2: is running on war right now. What would they do

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Speaker 2: if they just stopped. I mean, they would have huge inflation,

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Speaker 2: we find another war, yeah, they would. They would seriously

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Speaker 2: be in trouble. You know, Putin is using wartime powers

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Speaker 2: and others to kill Nabalne maybe you know, or to

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Speaker 2: eliminate political opponents, to purge.

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Speaker 1: The He could say, you could start sending the shells

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Speaker 1: to Irun, which which then sends them too.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 2: any economy in the world that's ever transitioned from a

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Speaker 2: war economy out of it, it's not so simple from

939
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Speaker 2: nineteen forty six in our case, post post Vietnam, and

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Speaker 2: we had a lot of problems coming out of those

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Speaker 2: that Russia would not certainly not be immune from any

942
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Speaker 2: of that. And that just demonstrates to all of us that,

943
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Speaker 2: you know, not everything is so you know, black and white,

944
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Speaker 2: especially here with the CIA report. So I just want

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Speaker 2: to again commend Matt. I think it's a very interesting report.

946
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Speaker 2: The crux of it just comes back to that they

947
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Speaker 2: believe the si He. According to the sources that he

948
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Speaker 2: spoke to years now later, they say multiple that they

949
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Speaker 2: had cooked the intelligence such that they had upgraded sources

950
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Speaker 2: from untrustworthy or not that trustworthy to trustworthy to justify

951
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Speaker 2: underlying claims that had a massive impact.

952
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Speaker 3: On our overall politics.

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Speaker 2: I one hundred percent believe that it's consistent with everything

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Speaker 2: that's come out from the Carter Page, Faiza and all

955
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Speaker 2: the other Russia Gate scandals, and it was a very

956
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: good reporting. So we'll have a link down in the

957
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Speaker 2: description if you guys want to throw either of them

958
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: a subscription and support their work.

959
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: They're independent journalists and they do awesome jobs.

960
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, on our puddy Matt Tayabe he's beefing with Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk Socker.

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Speaker 4: You've been following this.

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Speaker 2: I've been following it just because Elon really is one

964
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Speaker 2: of the most unpredictable people who is out there. So Matt,

965
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Speaker 2: as we'll all recall, you know, is this incredible journalist.

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Speaker 2: He does the Twitter files. He's the person who Elon

967
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Speaker 2: goes to. He was accused of being an Elon Tody,

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Speaker 2: of doing pr, doing pr for the richest man in

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Speaker 2: the world by reporting, you know, legitimate story working with sources.

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Speaker 2: What Matt always told us. He's like, look, I didn't

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Speaker 2: agree to any preconditions.

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Speaker 3: He brought it to me.

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Speaker 4: The only precondition was that it had to be published.

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Speaker 2: Published first on and is reasonable. That's yeah, you do

975
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Speaker 2: this stuff all the time.

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Speaker 3: People. People will always come to you with preconditions and

977
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Speaker 3: all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, they would say, yeah, actually sometimes we like, I've

979
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: got a scoop, but will you will you do it

980
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: in your newsletter? Will you do it an intercept? Would

981
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: it be counterpoints? And like some people for different purposes

982
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: want different platforms first with that, and if they're like

983
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: if they want a thing and I don't feel like

984
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: doing that, I'm like, well, no, I'm not gonna I'm

985
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: not gonna do that, And that's fine, and they go shopping.

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Speaker 3: Right, we have power, you know, there's a power in

987
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: this relationship. It's give and take. But you're certainly not

988
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: doing PR.

989
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: But then all of the people who accused him of

990
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: doing PR conveniently are ignoring the fact that Tayibi has

991
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: by all accounts, really been punished by Elon actually for

992
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: speaking out on behalf of a platform that Tayebi is

993
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: very loyal to. Substack let's put this up there on

994
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: the screen. Matt has released a bunch of text messages

995
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: that he had with Elon Muss from earlier last year,

996
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: in April of twenty twenty three. I'll read them verbatim,

997
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: he says, Elon, am I being shadow band. Elon replies,

998
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: we went on lockdown after discovering Substack has stole at

999
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: a mass amount of our data to prepopulate their Twitter ripoff.

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Speaker 3: It looks like there's still a blanket search band. It

1001
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: should be fixed tomorrow.

1002
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: Going forward, tweets with Substack will not appear in the

1003
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: for you page unless it is paid advertising, just like

1004
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: Facebook and Instagram, they will appear in following this reply

1005
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: included from Matt. He says, Elon, I have repeatedly declined

1006
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: to criticize you. I have nothing to do with your

1007
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: beef with Substack. Is there a reason why I'm being

1008
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: put in the middle of things? This seems really crazy. Elon,

1009
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: you are dead to me. Please get off Twitter and

1010
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: stay on substack. Matt, this is about the substack thing. Seriously,

1011
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: that was it that appears to be you know, the

1012
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: texts that were released and Matt the reason that he

1013
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: replied this is because he had been tweeting previously. Quote,

1014
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: Elon is unc comfortable around people who are not afraid

1015
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: of him, and wants to prove he can hurt my

1016
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: business instead of just talking to me, even if it

1017
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Speaker 2: means suppressing access to news that he thinks is important.

1018
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: Somebody replied, are you actually suggesting that Elon is deliberately

1019
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: burying your visibility? Do you have any proof of this,

1020
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: to which he then posts literal proof showing that he

1021
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 2: actually was banned. And you know, for anybody who also

1022
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: wants to accuse me or whatever of support, I mean,

1023
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: this is craziness because substack is the venue, the platform

1024
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: through which so much independent journalism is flourishing.

1025
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 3: Number one.

1026
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: Number two, we just read everybody a report, you know,

1027
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Speaker 2: from public. I find it horrible that people like Schallenberger

1028
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: and Taibi, who have thriving platforms over there very often

1029
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: Ryan when they want to distribute their work, cannot tweet

1030
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: out links to substack like they could to any other

1031
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: now in terms of substacks stealing Twitter and all that,

1032
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't know personally, it sounds like bullshit to me.

1033
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: If you if you ask me, you know.

1034
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Speaker 4: Stuff is to available. It's the API and they just

1035
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 4: scraped it.

1036
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Speaker 2: Right, And it's like, in reality, like what were they

1037
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: really afraid of that people were going to leave the platform?

1038
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Speaker 3: It's like, are they really going to leave the platform

1039
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: in critical numbers? Like, let's be honest here.

1040
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: You know, he's always he's always tweeting about how x's

1041
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: x's traffic, monthly users or whatever, and all that went up.

1042
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: It was just a capricious move, clearly done from a

1043
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: position of weakness. And anyway, I thought it was funny

1044
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: because it just highlights to me that all of the

1045
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: people who really trashed him for doing journalism that was

1046
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: allegedly you know, pro Elon and you know, writing pr

1047
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: for all of them, are completely ignoring that his business

1048
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: has been very materially harmed. He arguably he was better

1049
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: off under the old Twitter regime because at least I

1050
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: think was going viral, right.

1051
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Speaker 3: You know, now you don't see him as much. It's

1052
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: very clear that his his platform is being or his right. Yeah, yeah,

1053
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: it's so many followers he was able to pick up.

1054
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Speaker 1: I had my inbox, but if I don't, but if

1055
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Speaker 1: I wasn't like getting his emails, I probably wouldn't see him.

1056
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: Exactly. I think that's really bad.

1057
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just Look, it's not just Matt We'll

1058
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: forget who was a Barry Weis.

1059
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Speaker 3: I remember she was also involved.

1060
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Speaker 2: In the Twitter files and she criticized this is the

1061
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Speaker 2: early Elon Moore. Whenever Elon banned and then unbanned that

1062
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Speaker 2: account that followed as private Jet and a couple of

1063
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Speaker 2: other journalists Barry wise, I believe it's spoken out against it.

1064
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Speaker 2: And he replied to her being like, you're virtue signaling.

1065
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not virtue signaling. I just I believe

1066
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Speaker 2: a certain set of things. I don't really care who

1067
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Speaker 2: it is. Also that it is the person that's doing it.

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Speaker 1: Also, if like you think something is a virtue and

1069
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Speaker 1: you want to signal that to people, it's actually that's

1070
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's actually okay, free country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 1: If you think that is wrong to ban this account

1073
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Speaker 1: and you say that publicly, that's called free speech, yes,

1074
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: virtue like yeah, And it shows that he must his

1075
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Speaker 1: defenders who say he's ideologically committed to an independent media

1076
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Speaker 1: are lying. He's what he's committed to as a media

1077
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Speaker 1: which he controls. Now, if you believe that he's a

1078
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Speaker 1: benign media dictator, then go ahead, you put your face

1079
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: in him to control everything. If you think that it's better,

1080
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: if if voices are dispersed and people have access to

1081
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: different platforms, then you don't want a controlling billionaire dictator

1082
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: to run everything.

1083
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, somebody please tell me why substack

1084
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: is being throttled. But the New York Times can trend

1085
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: like that doesn't make any sense truly, especially if you're

1086
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Speaker 2: committed to free speech.

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Speaker 5: Er.

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Speaker 1: The problem for Tayibe there is and you know this,

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Speaker 1: from premium subscribers here to breaking points, there's just a

1090
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: natural churn. Sure every month, either there's a billing problem,

1091
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Speaker 1: or we'll forget their credit card or lose their jobs

1092
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Speaker 1: or I say something that annoys them and.

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Speaker 4: They're out of here. And that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Churn is part of a subscription basis, but you need

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Speaker 1: to then be able to get new people to replace them.

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Speaker 1: And if Tayobi can't market his his work, then his

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Speaker 1: churn is just going one direction.

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Speaker 3: And even though he's doing fantastic, far the one easier.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to support I wanted to play some

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Speaker 2: of this and to actually give you know, credit not

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Speaker 2: only is a very important story. But just to again

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Speaker 2: to highlight this, like he's being genuinely screwed over by

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Speaker 2: Ela for reasons totally out of his control.

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Speaker 3: For sighting, he backed him like.

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Speaker 4: At the time.

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Speaker 1: At the time, Elon told him, why don't you just

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Speaker 1: publish everything on Twitter because we're taking the the like

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Speaker 1: limit away. Yeah, And Matt didn't really even take that seriously.

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Speaker 1: He's like, that's an interesting thought, but of course I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to do that. I have tens of thousands,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of subscribers over here on substect.

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Speaker 4: This is a platform that's treated me very well, and.

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Speaker 1: It's also better at like distributing long form content people's inboxes.

1114
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: But it was his refusal, it was his refusal to

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Speaker 1: adopt a platform that doesn't work for his purposes that

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00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: led to him banning him shadow banning him.

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Speaker 2: It's not right away speaking up from that here in

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Speaker 2: all of this, it's certainly not. And for all of

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Speaker 2: those who ask for proof that he was being shadow banned,

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Speaker 2: unlike ninety five percent, no, unlike ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 2: percent of people who are claiming that he actually has

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Speaker 2: the receipts from the guy. Go whit support the guy

1124
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Speaker 2: if you can. We'll have a link in the description

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Speaker 2: to his newsletter.

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Speaker 1: So Israeli Prime Minister of Benjamin Netyah, who responded to

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Speaker 1: international pressure over the creation of a Palestinian state alongside

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Speaker 1: in Israeli one.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up here here. He is speaking

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Speaker 4: to the Kanesse.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday with an official declaration saying that Israel absolutely rejects

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Speaker 1: any type of dictat from the international community that they

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Speaker 1: agree to a Palestinian state. Now, this is you know,

1134
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Speaker 1: saga is sort of like that tweet format where somebody

1135
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: says nobody, absolutely nobody, Benjamin net and Yahoo. It's like, yeah, okay,

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00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: there's been an international pressure. But also he didn't have

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Speaker 1: to come out with his declaration like we get it.

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Speaker 1: Like he's been against he's been against a Palestinian state

1139
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Speaker 1: since like the nineteen nineties. It's only in the last

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Speaker 1: may be several months that that has really been absorbed

1141
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Speaker 1: by the media because you know, people like you and

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Speaker 1: I have been following this for a long time have

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Speaker 1: always been able to understand that Netnyahu is against a

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00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: Palestinian state. You know, he's he would occasionally say it

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Speaker 1: openly that he opposed a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 4: We even remember when.

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00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: He said the reason that he helped to facilitate Hamas

1148
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: remaining in power was so that you could divide the

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00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: Palestinian leadership between the West Bank and Gaza, because a

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00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: united Palestinian leadership would bring pressure to bear for a

1151
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Palestinian state, and so by splitting the Palestinians you prevent

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Speaker 1: the formation of a Palestinian state. He has made his

1153
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: entire argument for why he his entire legacy has been

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Speaker 1: prevention of a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 4: In his argument for continuing in.

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Speaker 1: Office is that he is the only one that can

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Speaker 1: manipulate the United States effectively to make sure that there

1158
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Speaker 1: is no Palestinian state like that hit.

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Speaker 4: That is his entire rash now now here.

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Speaker 1: But this reflects increasing I think global pressure to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, come on, it's been a long time.

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00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's let's resolve this.

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Speaker 2: I saw on an analysis that this was Bbe in

1164
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: October sixth mode, as in, this is political BB. There's

1165
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Speaker 2: a reason saying this in Hebrew, except he's reflecting the

1166
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Speaker 2: conditions of the war. He's trying to get this coalition together.

1167
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: He's trying to get the right wingers to support him.

1168
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: As you said, a major part of something he often

1169
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: admits in Hebrew is I am the reason there.

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Speaker 3: Is a Palestinian state. Right he forgets, so we can

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Speaker 3: hit translate.

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Speaker 1: But it's actually pretty easy to have that translate.

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Speaker 2: Just so something like that. But he says it very

1174
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Speaker 2: not even quietly, openly behind the scenes. My question to

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Speaker 2: you is, in the context of US foreign policy and

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00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: Western foreign policy, will this actually matter? Are the palest

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00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: Indians correct that this is just lip for service from

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Speaker 2: the US because we keep saying there has to be

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00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: a resumption of a Palestinian state, a recognition of that

1180
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: at the end of this process period, end of story.

1181
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: And if he is not going to be a legitimate

1182
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: negotiating partner, we continue to provide them aid and to

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00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: tacitly support their actions. Is this not then the default

1184
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: position of the United States government at this point?

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Speaker 1: It is, as long as we keep shipping arms and

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00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: money and giving that tacit and explicit support. Doesn't matter

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: what we say. What matters is what we do. And

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Speaker 1: it also in some ways doesn't matter what net Nyahu

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Speaker 1: says there It matters what Netnah Who does, and that

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Speaker 1: brings us to our next veo. Here, what Netnah Who

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: is currently doing is building what's called Highway seven forty nine.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're listening to the podcast but We're rolling,

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Speaker 1: here is a documentary from Israel's Channel fourteen that played

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Speaker 1: on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: This is a highway that is cutting across.

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Speaker 1: The middle of the Gaza Strip basically from the neg

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Speaker 1: of over almost all the way to the sea.

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Speaker 4: It looking like it's going to be come some type.

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Speaker 1: Of Berlin Wall situation that bifurcates the two you know,

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Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip into two. In other words, if it

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Speaker 1: was the largest open air prison on October sixth, that

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Speaker 1: now it would be the two largest open air prisons

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Speaker 1: just split in two. And according to this documentary that

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Speaker 1: aired on Israeli TV, you wouldn't even be able to

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Speaker 1: travel from one side to the other if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're a Gazen, you know. Since the Oslo Accords came

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Speaker 1: into effect in the nineteen nineties, traff travel has been

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Speaker 1: increasingly restricted for Palestinians, which is one reason travel, civil liberties, economic,

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Speaker 1: the economy, et cetera. Has been increasingly curtailed. One of

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Speaker 1: the reasons that Hamas has kind of gained in influence

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Speaker 1: among Palestinians because a lot of Palestinians say, look, the

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Speaker 1: parties that advocated for this Oslo accord have only led

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Speaker 1: to things getting materially worse for us. Not that it's

1214
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: status quo and things haven't gotten better for us, but

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Speaker 1: things are actually better in the eighties and nineties than

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Speaker 1: they are now. If you live, if you live in

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Speaker 1: Godz on October sixth, you basically couldn't leave. I mean

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Speaker 1: you could leave if you could get some type of

1219
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: permit that could take months or years. You'd have people

1220
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Speaker 1: with health complications who would die before they got the

1221
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Speaker 1: permits to leave. And so now you're saying that that's

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Speaker 1: going to be cut even even tighter. And so and

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit later about the

1224
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Speaker 1: West West Bank in this in this block. But the

1225
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Speaker 1: problem in the West Bank is all of these different

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Speaker 1: bantustans and all these different settlements.

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Speaker 3: That what do you mean people who are familiar, Oh

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Speaker 3: so in South.

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Speaker 1: A, why you have these like little tiny areas that

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Speaker 1: are cordoned off that you basically couldn't couldn't leave during

1231
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Speaker 1: apartheid during apartheid and so and you just make them

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Speaker 1: smaller and smaller and smaller. And that's the main thing

1233
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Speaker 1: making it so hard for Palatinianes to have any sovereignty

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Speaker 1: in the West Bank because there's something like one hundred

1235
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Speaker 1: thousand settlers dividing the West bankup.

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Speaker 4: Now if you divide Gaza up too, it goes.

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Speaker 1: It really fits into what Netanyahu is arguing here that

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the guy that is going to

1239
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: change the reality on the ground to make it so

1240
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: there cannot be a Palestinian state just can't happen.

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Speaker 2: So with that establishment of the highway, do you see

1242
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: that as establishment is really control over that territory, set policy,

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Speaker 2: Like what is it.

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Speaker 1: The goal there would be that, Yeah, you'd have you'd

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00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: have watch towers, and you'd have a sophisticated security apparatus

1246
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Speaker 1: with walls.

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Speaker 4: You know, they they've they've got the wall up by just.

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Speaker 2: Like October six, though it basically seems like they're doubling

1249
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Speaker 2: down on the same strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's it's quote unquote managing the conflict, just

1251
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: managing it harder, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so this combines with some movement out of Egypt.

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Speaker 2: I actually really am curious what you think about this,

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Speaker 2: because there's a variety of ways. Let's put this up

1255
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Speaker 2: there please on the screen, guys. We have video here

1256
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: of Egypt that is building a massive fence around the

1257
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: Rafa border. They're calling it a logistics zone. More likely Ryan,

1258
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Speaker 2: it seems to be in response to be an anticipated

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Speaker 2: Rafa offensive by the IDF that would somehow pen in

1260
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Speaker 2: Palestinians I'm assuming who if they were able to breach

1261
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Speaker 2: the Rafa crossing would then be included in this zone.

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Speaker 2: But I mean seems strategically important because it would mean

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Speaker 2: that these Palestinian civilians would be in some odd no

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Speaker 2: man's land where they're technically inside of Egypt, but the

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00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: Egyptians are keeping them out and not allowing them to

1266
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Speaker 2: resettle or whatever into the Sinai.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Since December, the fear has been that the Rafa crossing

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Speaker 1: would be breached by a mob of people who just

1270
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: overwhelmed security there because there'd be so much pressure brought

1271
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Speaker 1: to bear on it by the suffering of the people

1272
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: on the other side of it. Egypt, for just as long,

1273
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: has been reinforcing it, putting tanks there, put sending out

1274
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: declarations saying that you know this, this absolutely cannot happen.

1275
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, from from Egypt's perspective, uh they they see

1276
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: a million refugees you know, pouring into the Seani desert

1277
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: as massively destabilizing was basically a dictatorship that they have

1278
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: over there. So this is you know, unless uh CC

1279
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: wants to you know, head to Florida and retire this like,

1280
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: this is an existential question for the Egyptian government and

1281
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: they're being extremely clear that that they're that they're not

1282
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: going to allow what seems to be the only thing

1283
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: that makes any sense from Israel, like what like, what

1284
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: are what are.

1285
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: They doing here?

1286
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: And the only thing that makes sense is that they're

1287
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: driving into Rafa with such ferocity with the hope that

1288
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: they will then force them into the sign of others.

1289
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: So if you build these this met barriers, that relieves

1290
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: some pressure on the border because a lot of the

1291
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: people see, okay, let's say we could overwhelm the border

1292
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: and bust through there. The we all we've done is

1293
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: get into this desert area and are staring at these

1294
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: cement walls, right.

1295
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: And that's where the big question is, are the Egyptians

1296
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: going to revoke the Camp David peace accords. Are yeah,

1297
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: they threatened to do that. This would appear to indicate that.

1298
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: And this is the other big question. Are they are

1299
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: they coordinating with the Israelis? Are they like, hey, you

1300
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: got to wait up for us to put up some

1301
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: barriers and all that, because we can't be having a

1302
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: mass expulsion. But at the same time, that appears to

1303
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: be what some of the goals of the Israeli government

1304
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 2: are in this case. And if they do go into

1305
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: this so called no man's land, I mean, what are

1306
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: the odds that they ever actually.

1307
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Speaker 3: Are able to leave?

1308
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: Probably low, you know, in terms of in terms of

1309
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Speaker 2: what the actions currently anticipate for them.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was some trust, like let's say

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Speaker 1: that the population turned on Hamas and actually wanted Israel

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Speaker 1: to like kind of round up and root out all

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Speaker 1: of the Hamas fighters, and there was some faith from

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Speaker 1: the Palestinian people that Israel would of course just allow

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Speaker 1: them to return and help help with the reconstruction of

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Speaker 1: their homes, then sure, you set up a refugee camp

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Speaker 1: in the Sinai and the battle unfolds and then people

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 4: That is none.

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Speaker 1: None of that is the case, though not like, not

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Speaker 1: a single piece of that is true. The Palestinians do

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Speaker 1: not trust Israel to allow them back into Gaza if

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Speaker 1: they ever left, even though currently, like on an individual level,

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Speaker 1: most Palestinians, it seems like if they could get out

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Speaker 1: of this horrifying hell on Earth situation that they're in

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Speaker 1: temporarily would.

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Speaker 4: Get out right.

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Speaker 1: But there's now if Israel was actually serious about this.

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Speaker 1: They have and lots of people have actually suggested this,

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Speaker 1: but they have not taken them up on it, which

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Speaker 1: shows what their plan is. Open up the Israeli neck

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Speaker 1: of desert to create a You wouldn't need a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of territory to create a refugee camp, and you

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Speaker 1: could say, you know, men over sixty I think they've

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Speaker 1: said boys under.

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Speaker 3: Fifty children and women and.

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Speaker 1: Children, and that put a million people there, but that

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Speaker 1: that is Israeli territory, and so that would kind of

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Speaker 1: guarantee the right of return to Gaza, and that seems

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Speaker 1: to be the problem with that plan.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting point. I hadn't considered that really at all.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we move to the next part there, right, And.

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Speaker 1: So on Thursday, the Algerians are going to bring to

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Speaker 1: or we're talking about bringing to the United Nations another

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Speaker 1: ceasefire resolution. We can put up this element from from

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. The administration came out and announced that they

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Speaker 1: would veto They said it will not be adopted. They

1349
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: will veto a ceasefire resolution. So, on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: and Biden is privately and semi publicly urging net Yahoo

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: not to launch an invasion of Rafa. Separately, he is

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: a facilitating the transfer of more weapons which would assist

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: with this invasion of Rafa, and on top of that

1354
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: is promising to veto any international accountability for this invasion.

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Speaker 1: So in order to try to find some gap between

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Speaker 1: what the United States is doing and what and what

1357
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Speaker 1: you Israel is doing, you have to squint insanely hard,

1358
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: like we are one hundred percent complicit in what we

1359
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Speaker 1: have described as a disaster, Like the State Department and

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Speaker 1: Kirby from the White House have both said used the

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Speaker 1: word disaster to describe what would happen if there was

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Speaker 1: an invasion of Rafa, right.

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Speaker 3: And yet which so here's to me, like, that's that's

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Speaker 3: what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna and we're gonna veto an effort to

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Speaker 1: stop it, and we're going to arm it. It is

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Speaker 1: I understand why it is making people so crazy watching

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Speaker 1: it unfold, Like wait a minute, we think this is

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Speaker 1: a disaster. We don't want this to happen, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to use our capital internationally to block the UN

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Speaker 1: and we're going to arm it.

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Speaker 3: This makes it.

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Speaker 2: This makes Biden actually more prisoner at pro Israel even

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Speaker 2: than Obama. Absolutely, yeah, because he would you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you remember in twenty sixteen they allowed

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Speaker 2: a couple of resolutions and all that to go through

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Speaker 2: the UN. Yeah, specifically to try and depress Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was a blood feud for the Ages, which.

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Speaker 1: I helped Amir Tabone, this great Israeli reporter who he

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: became kind of a journalistic celebrity October seventh and eighth

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01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: because he wrote this incredible piece about being stuck in

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Speaker 1: a safe room in one of the kibbutzim and being

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: saved by his grandfather who came all the way from

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Speaker 1: Tel Aviv to rescue his family. He's working on a

1385
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: book now about relationship about the last like fifty years

1386
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Speaker 1: or so, but I helped him with a profile of

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Speaker 1: the relationship between net Yahu and an Obama back in

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: like twenty fiftween twenty sixteen. People should go back and

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: read that these two teams did not like each other,

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Speaker 1: as John Madden like to say, speaking people that don't

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Speaker 1: like each other. So let's move to the international response

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Speaker 1: to this coming Rafa invasion. We can put up Lula

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Speaker 1: da Silva here, President of Brazil. He's saying, what is

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Speaker 1: happening in the Gaza strip hasn't happened in history before.

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Speaker 1: It does not exist at any other historical context. And

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Speaker 1: then Lula adds, in fact, it existed when Hitler decided

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Speaker 1: to kill the Jews. So the president of Brazil analogizing

1398
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Speaker 1: what Israel is doing to the Palestinians what happened during

1399
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Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Moving back to Europe, the criticism is serious,

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Speaker 1: but not quite on the level of Lula rhetoric. But

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Speaker 1: let's put up here EU Foreign Minister Joseph Borol at

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: the Munich conference, because this is a really fascinating point.

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Speaker 1: He made a couple of other points before this. This one, though,

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: I think, is really worth considering. So let's roll and

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Speaker 1: the global salad. The third one. They have its own dynamic.

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Speaker 1: But no doubt, the war in Ukraine and.

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Speaker 11: In Gaza has increased tremendously the political space of the

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Speaker 11: global South visa vi to us, and we have to avoid.

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Speaker 5: The Rest against the West.

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Speaker 11: For Russia, this new geopolitical liscenario has increased dramatically, it

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 11: stands since the beginning of the war in Gaza, and

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Speaker 11: they are really taking good advantage of our mistakes.

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Speaker 12: The blame about bubble.

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Speaker 11: Standards is something that we need to address, and not

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Speaker 11: only with nice words. It's clear that the wind is

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01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 11: blowing against the West, is blowing against us, and we

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Speaker 11: have to win the battle of narrative.

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Speaker 1: And so right before this he had said, look, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Ukraine, with exception of maybe one country,

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Speaker 1: I assume he means Hungary, we've been united on this situation,

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Speaker 1: he said, But when it comes to Gaza and when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Israel, all the member states want to.

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Speaker 4: Play games, play their own little game.

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Speaker 12: He said.

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Speaker 1: The result of that is that it is becoming the

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Speaker 1: West against the Rest. And he's trying to let this

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Speaker 1: the European elite there, the European leadership into the fact

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Speaker 1: that this has been a godsend for everyone outside of

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Speaker 1: the West, that the double standard is so apparent across

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Speaker 1: the global global South that when you hear somebody like

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Speaker 1: Lula make such make make a comparison as extreme is

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Speaker 1: that what he's saying is that that's resonating with billions

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Speaker 1: of people around the world, and you need to understand

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Speaker 1: where that's going. So, how are you surprised that the

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Speaker 1: kind of the geopolitical chaos that's that the West seems

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Speaker 1: to be willing to accept for this war.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was surprised on Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: I mean I watched us realign our relationships with Brazil

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Speaker 2: and India, which are I'm gonna say one hundred times

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Speaker 2: more important to us than freaking Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Like, basically, think about this.

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Speaker 2: We think that the territory of the eastern Dunbass region,

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Speaker 2: the territorial integrity of that is so important that we

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Speaker 2: should sacrifice that Nika right Moblas that nobody in this

1445
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: country could name, including the people who want to ship

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: them weapons. We think that is more important that that

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Speaker 2: integrity than our relationship with the Indian government, or with

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Speaker 2: the Brazilian government, or with the South African government.

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Speaker 3: And then you combine this situation with.

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Speaker 2: Israel, where all of the rhetoric that we were using

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: to the Indian, to the Brazilians and to others as

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,479
Speaker 2: to why we just support them around civilians and about

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: rules based order and all of that.

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Speaker 3: They're like, are you a joke. They're like, no, we

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: don't believe you.

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Speaker 2: They already thought that we were empty, hollow people working

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: great power politics and shrouding it in rhetoric. Now this

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 2: just confirms it to them in an exact one to

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Speaker 2: one situation. So yeah, I mean it doesn't shock me

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Speaker 2: at all of what has happened with our geopolitical situation.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's been a disaster for us because

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Speaker 2: it both undermines any rhetoric that we have on human rights.

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Speaker 2: And look, I'm on record, I don't really believe foreign

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 2: policy should be conducted that way, but if you're going

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 2: to at least be consistent, and we're not doing anything

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: that is in our direct strategic interest, So we're in

1467
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: this odd, you know, third bubble where we selectively apply

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01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: both which makes us weak on all fronts.

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Speaker 4: And to the point about human rights.

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Speaker 1: And we can go back to that Channel fourteen documentary

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Speaker 1: that we talked about at the very top we roll

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Speaker 1: this one little clip from there, which is just an

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Speaker 1: absolutely shocking thing that was that was published, that was

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Speaker 1: aired on Israeli TV. This is an an Israeli interrogators

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: said human animals, most of them, of course, at the beginning,

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: deny any connection to the events of October seventh, and

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Speaker 1: through certain tools and means, we managed to get the

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: first confessions out of them. So essentially, this is an

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Speaker 1: Israeli interrogator on Israeli TV saying that they use certain

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Speaker 1: tools and means to move Palestinian detainees from denying involvement

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Speaker 1: in October seventh to confessing quote unquote confessing to involvement

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Speaker 1: in October seventh. Saga, how long would it take you

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Speaker 1: under certain tools and means until you told your captors whatever?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they would have to do it.

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Speaker 1: I think if they pulled the drill out, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: all right, just what do you want me to sign?

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Speaker 3: I've read enough. I'm not going through the Pow books.

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Speaker 2: By the way, highly I could go on a whole

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Speaker 2: tangent because I went down a real rabbit hole on Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: POW's to know that number one, everybody breaks, and number

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Speaker 2: two that there's virtually like nothing that you can tell

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01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: yourself that will prepare you for being in a situation

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: that is even remotely like this, and that you very likely,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you said, will likely be able to

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Speaker 2: tell your captors whatever you want, whatever they want to hear,

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Speaker 2: or at least, you know, try and placate them and

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Speaker 2: certain instant just to be able to stop that.

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Speaker 3: And that was obviously in a very extreme case.

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Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily what these gentlemen went through, but

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Speaker 2: this was often you don't have to ask me. You

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Speaker 2: can ask former PW John McCain. You won't ever hear

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Speaker 2: me cite him, you know, favorably often. But he made

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Speaker 2: this case a lot during the Bush administration when he

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Speaker 2: was very against enhanced interrogation against al Qaida, certain tools

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Speaker 2: and means, specifically because he was like, look, he's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a moral care for these people. He's like,

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't work. And you know, propagandistically, when you

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Speaker 2: put stuff out there, people know they're not dumb that

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Speaker 2: are like, okay, well it seems like you were questioned

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Speaker 2: under duress. Then they're not gonna do you know they're

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Speaker 2: going to discount a lot of what you were saying.

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Speaker 3: So no, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: And in this documentary they're picking up detainee after detaining

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Speaker 1: every every male that seems to be anywhere between teenage

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Speaker 1: and not elderly, They've they've got the cameras there and

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Speaker 1: making a little documentary where were you on October seventh

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Speaker 1: when I was in my factory, I was in a bakery,

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Speaker 1: And they're like, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Believe you over here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there are two there were at the start of

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Speaker 1: this two point three million people in Gaza, or several

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Speaker 1: thousand that participated in the attack on October seventh, and

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Speaker 1: then several hundred civilians that also broke through the fence.

1525
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: Like if you pick up every single male that you

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: see in Gaza, you know nine hundred ninety nine out

1527
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: of a thousand of those are going to be innocent,

1528
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: and you're going to use this torture on them to

1529
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: extract a confession that doesn't it doesn't make what they

1530
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: tell you true.

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01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: Ran, you have a case of a doctor. Do you

1532
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: want a highlight that to people because you have a

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: personal connection to this.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so we can put up doctor Kalette Elsir

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01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: here from Nasser Hospital on so on. On Friday, a

1536
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: colleague of his was was sending me what's that message?

1537
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 4: What's up?

1538
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,959
Speaker 1: Video and audio messages and photos from not NASA hospital

1539
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: hoping that uh and here's a that's right, there is

1540
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: something that doctor Elser posted on Instagram himself. What's so

1541
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: poignant about this on Friday for me was this, there

1542
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: was this intense belief from doctor el Sir and and

1543
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: his friends and those who are reaching out to me

1544
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: and others in the press that if only we could

1545
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: get this to the White House, and I did. I said,

1546
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: I will, I will send this to the White House

1547
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: and I sent it. I can I get comment on

1548
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: what's going on at Alnster Hospital. Want to let you

1549
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: know that doctor Collet Elser is saying saying this. He

1550
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: was one of the ones who worked in the ICU.

1551
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: He sent videos of the ICU going dark, literally pulling

1552
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: the plug on it, which ended up killing patients. Because

1553
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: if you need oxygen and you pull the plug, you

1554
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: are at risk of dying, and multiple people in that

1555
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: ICU did die. So I reached out the White House

1556
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: said people are dying in Alnoss I see you. This

1557
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: is what the doctor is telling us. Do you have

1558
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: any response, because I don't want to get myself in

1559
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: a position where I'm advocating for the US to do

1560
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: anything in particular, but I'm going to let them know,

1561
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: Like right now as we're speaking, people's lives are at risk,

1562
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: and if you decide to do something to save their lives,

1563
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: then you decide to do that.

1564
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 4: I'm making you aware.

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: But what was so interesting to me, and this has

1566
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: been happening throughout the entire conflict, so many Palestinians will

1567
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: reach out hoping that I can get word to the

1568
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: White House to stop x Y or ze atrocity that

1569
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: is underway but not even finished yet, Like there's still

1570
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: a chance to save people, whether it's hint like the

1571
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: Hindrad job situation is a great example. And like I said,

1572
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: I'll reach out for comment. But the whole time, I'm thinking,

1573
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,879
Speaker 1: your faith in the United States is touching and poignant,

1574
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: but misplaced. They know what Israel is doing, They are

1575
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: arming Israel to do that thing. They are using their

1576
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:34,799
Speaker 1: international capital to block the world from intervening to stop

1577
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: this from happening. But I feel it deeply, this belief

1578
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: that there has to be somebody you can call to

1579
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: stop this. They just it looks and feels so wrong,

1580
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: and with with the right kind of phone call, it

1581
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: could be stopped there.

1582
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 4: But they're not. They're not going to do it.

1583
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: You can call nine one one, but that nine one

1584
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: one is arming the people who are burglarizing your house

1585
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: at the moment.

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: Well, the case that you're making is very poignant, and

1587
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: it's exactly one that Rashida to leave his thinking.

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: So but by the way, just to finish on doctor

1589
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: al Sir, they raided the hospital and as far as

1590
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: anybody can tell, he was picked up along with all

1591
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: the other doctors and is held in communicado in Israeli captivity.

1592
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: Right now, Israel just racking up more and more hostages.

1593
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: And so his colleagues and his friends put out a

1594
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: statement like begging basically Israel to release this doctor and

1595
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: the other doctors that.

1596
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 4: They picked up so far, to no avail.

1597
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: That was Friday night, Friday night, US times, Saturday morning

1598
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: their time.

1599
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 4: Now here we are Monday morning.

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01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: Still no word on his fate, if he's even alive,

1601
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: or whether he's getting the certain tools and means to

1602
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: try to force him to confess that he wasn't actually

1603
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: a doctor despite all of the evidence that he is,

1604
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 1: and instead he's actually Pausedian Islamic Jahad operative or whatever.

1605
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: But yes, so this brings us to Rashida Talib. There

1606
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: is a movement in the Michigan which is having its

1607
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: primary next week and actually early voting is happening now,

1608
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: So people, if you're in Michigan, you can go out

1609
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: and early vote right now, rather than getting behind Mary

1610
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: and Williamson or Dean Phillips or writing in jenk Yuger

1611
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,440
Speaker 1: who wasn't able to get on the ballot because of

1612
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: the issues around around natural born citizens versus non natural

1613
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: born citizens. What a group in Michigan is urging people

1614
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 1: to do is vote uncommitted. They got an extremely powerful

1615
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: supporter now in Representative Rashida Talib.

1616
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 4: We can play her clip here.

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01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 8: It as important as you all know, to not only

1618
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 8: march against the genocide, not only make sure that we're

1619
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 8: calling our members of Congress and local elected and predit

1620
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 8: passe city resolutions all throughout our country. It is also

1621
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 8: important to create a voting block, something that is a

1622
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 8: horn to say enough is enough. We don't want a

1623
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 8: country that supports warmed wars and bombs and destruction. We

1624
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 8: want to support life. We want to stand up for

1625
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 8: every single life killed in RUSSA. Don't make us even

1626
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 8: more invisible. Right now we feel completely neglis, neglected and

1627
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 8: just unseen by our government. If you want us to

1628
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 8: be louder, then come here and vote uncommitted.

1629
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: So the dow Go, the democratic media ecosystem has decided

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01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: in their infinite wisdom that they're going to strive and

1631
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: affect this okay that they're gonna have. They're going to

1632
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: have a temper tantrum of such epic proportions that her

1633
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: social media video will reach exponentially more people because they

1634
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: can't handle even the tiniest of challenges, not even voting

1635
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: against him. NBC it was like Rashila Telip says vote

1636
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: against Biden.

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 4: No, she didn't say that.

1638
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: She said vote uncommitted, which is like, we'll still support

1639
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: you in the general election if you just do the

1640
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: things that we're asking you to do. So let's go

1641
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,480
Speaker 1: to MSNBC real quickly for some sober analysis.

1642
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 10: Let's talk about how the realities of politics works in Washington, DC.

1643
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 10: I got a lot of friends and family in Detroit.

1644
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 10: I care a lot about that proud Black community. But

1645
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 10: up though, to all the folks in Detroit, when Jalen

1646
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 10: Rose Leadership Academy and Wayne State and Castech don't get

1647
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 10: the proper appropriations from the Democratic administration, the Democratic president,

1648
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 10: remember it's because you're a Democratic congresswoman told them to

1649
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 10: not for the Democratic president in the primary, and she

1650
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 10: won't have the excuse that well, I was saying primary,

1651
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 10: not general. Uh, you don't slap the president in the

1652
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 10: face and then expect to be treated as a member

1653
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 10: of the caucus in good standing. And so Rashida Talib

1654
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 10: is not there to represent the squads. She's not there

1655
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 10: to represent Palestine while there's merit and all those things.

1656
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 10: You're there to represent your hometown constituency in the city

1657
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 10: of Detroit. And I will tell all my friends and

1658
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 10: family Detroit as your congresswoman has failed you and frankly

1659
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 10: embarrassed you.

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: And there could potentially be ramifications.

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01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 14: I don't like to be a surplus, but if you

1662
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 14: want to see Donald Trump beat Throw Biden, then you

1663
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 14: have voices of Charlemagne and Rashida tale questioning Joe Biden's leadership,

1664
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 14: suggesting he's not fit for reelection. That's how you do it,

1665
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 14: Democrats beating themselves. I mean, right now, Democrats have been

1666
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 14: given a historic opportunity with an alliance of independence and

1667
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 14: disaffected republicans that showed up with the Democratic Coalition in

1668
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 14: eighteen and twenty and twenty two. And you're telling me

1669
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 14: going into twenty twenty four that a sitting Democratic congresswoman

1670
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 14: and a leading voice on the left are going to say, Nah,

1671
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 14: we don't know about our guy, maybe we shouldn't support him.

1672
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 14: It's a bunch of hot garbage, Alex. And if those

1673
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 14: voices don't.

1674
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 4: Fall in line, fall in land.

1675
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Don calloway we used to have in rising days.

1676
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: For people who haven't forgotten, he's certainly still dropping suspicy takes.

1677
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, just on, let's put up, Yeah, let's put up.

1678
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,839
Speaker 1: Don's LinkedIn here, by the way, what he's up to nowadays?

1679
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: Do we have the next that next element here?

1680
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to insult. If you want to, you can't.

1681
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 3: All right, what does he got impact?

1682
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: Investor, venture capital, private equity management, consultant, corporate affairs?

1683
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: I always liked him for the right, I like.

1684
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: Don sure sure, but he's threatening Basically, he's saying that

1685
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: Detroit is going to be is not going to get

1686
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: federal money because Rashiad Talib is standing up for this,

1687
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: not one second of debate on MSNBC about the issue

1688
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: itself that she what she is standing up for, right,

1689
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: and instead she needs to just get in line, Like

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: wasn't that his Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You can't slap the president in the face. It's a

1692
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: primary night in general. I'm like, I don't know, I mean,

1693
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: it seems pretty relevant to me, it's not. Actually I

1694
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: was telling you so, I was at a Hassan Minaj show,

1695
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: which you know, pretty liberal and also predominantly.

1696
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 3: A big Muslim audience.

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01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: This happened on Saturday, and I like to just pay

1698
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: attention and be like, okay, what's the you know, what's

1699
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,520
Speaker 2: the tune.

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01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 3: Out there, and just previews. I'm not going to spoil

1701
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 3: the set.

1702
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: But he did a good job, and actually it was

1703
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 2: even interested for the amount of jokes at Biden's expense.

1704
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: And it was hitting. It was hitting with a liberal audience.

1705
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: And there were a couple moments where, in particular, I

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: saw some of the attendees, you know, if many of

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01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: whom had his job or something like that on clearly

1708
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 2: were Muslim Americans who were definitely cheering at Biden's expense,

1709
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: and I was just like, huh, that's interesting.

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01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1711
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: It's one of those where you know, you very rarely

1712
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: know whether something you read on a poll or something

1713
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: that you know you see on social media isn't real

1714
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: can it manifest itself in real life. But there were

1715
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people there, from what I can tell again,

1716
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: people who I would definitely code as uber libs, people

1717
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: who were definitely Biden voters or likely to be in

1718
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: that category in twenty twenty who were not happy I

1719
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: think with the present now, will they vote for him

1720
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 2: in the end in twenty twenty.

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01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 3: Four maybe, but you know a lot of them, a

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 3: lot of them may sit it out too.

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01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, from the people that I talked to in

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01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: the Illinois and Michigan and the Muslim American community. Unless

1726
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: all of the people there are lying or overstating it,

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: it seems like the revulsion at Biden for what he's

1728
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 1: doing is almost universal, like beyond what anybody has seen before.

1729
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: And you hear it from so many people who will

1730
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: tell you I have always been somebody who argued against

1731
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: Third parties who said, yes, you're never because these are

1732
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,879
Speaker 1: Muslims in America. First of all, they're never getting everything

1733
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: that they think they ought to from the American two

1734
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: party system. So they are they more than anybody else understand,

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, compromising in order to get the lesser of

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01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: two evils. So these are people who have been making

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Speaker 1: the lesser. These are state representatives, you know, these are

1738
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: Michigan Party leaders majority leader.

1739
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 4: Well, do you remember mayor of Dearborn?

1740
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: I was going to say, do you remember the guy

1741
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 2: that we interviewed in New Hampshire, the guys for people

1742
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: wh don't you.

1743
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 3: Should actually go watch it there because it's hilarious.

1744
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: This is the most like ultra Biden bro voter that

1745
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 2: they're at the end of the interview.

1746
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember.

1747
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: He's like, by the way, I just want to say

1748
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: thank you to our capital police.

1749
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 3: And I literally see what they laughing, like.

1750
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 4: For whats for January sixth? It's like this.

1751
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: I burst out laughing because it would not even occur

1752
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: to me that somebody who is like the most ultra

1753
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: noormy live MSNBC voter, like you said, who is abhorred

1754
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: to to third party Cornell West or any of that.

1755
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 3: Even he is like, don't vote Biden.

1756
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: And he was the one, Yeah, he was the one

1757
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: who organized right in ceasefire in New Hampshire which ended

1758
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: up getting they were expecting two or three hundred votes

1759
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 1: and ended up getting about sixteen hundred.

1760
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: Wow, which I mean a lot.

1761
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: But it's not many people in I'm sure either, but

1762
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: it's probably.

1763
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 3: Going to be a lot more potent in Michigan.

1764
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: They if uncommitted beats Joe Biden in Michigan, it's still necessarily.

1765
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 4: Doesn't change anything, but at.

1766
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: Least people will feel like they had a chance to

1767
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: say on a national stage how enraged they are. And

1768
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: people keep thinking, well, this is the Muslim Americans. Yes

1769
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: it is, but it's also young people. It's like, that's right,

1770
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: people under it's not just thirty thirty five, which which was.

1771
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: And Joaquin Castro, to his great credit, has been pretty

1772
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: outspoken on this. CNN had him on to talk and

1773
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: they tried to do a horse horse race thing with him,

1774
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: and he brought it back to the actual policy, right

1775
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: saying like, what what Biden is doing is damaging to

1776
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: the US, damaging to Israel, and it is turning off

1777
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: young people and Muslim Americans.

1778
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: The question is, though, why is it just Rashida to leave?

1779
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: I haven't seen AOC say. I think she said Biden

1780
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: was the best president of every like that. Why is

1781
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: it not you know, all these other squad members.

1782
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 4: It's it's a good question. It's a good question.

1783
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: Because if you had the entire squad, say, rallying in

1784
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Michigan for uncommitted, then I think that has a that

1785
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: has a bigger impact. Sure, yes, you've seen you have

1786
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: seen a split there. You know, the rest of the

1787
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: squad has supported Rashida Tleib.

1788
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 4: They voted, you know, against censuring her.

1789
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: They've said supportive things about her, but they are letting

1790
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: her kind of take these.

1791
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 4: Bullets for them. So they're not really operating as a

1792
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 4: squad in this.

1793
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 3: All right, well we will, We'll see how it works out.

1794
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:12,919
Speaker 3: I'm very curious.

1795
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Ceasefire, as you said, didn't exactly get a lot of votes,

1796
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 2: but I could see it actually become something. And especially

1797
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: here here's the thing in this particularly, you have an

1798
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: actual elected representative. Crystal's been telling me that Rashida's lead

1799
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: has been breaking in money, you know.

1800
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: With millions stands millions of dollars, so clearly.

1801
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: She's not people Magestry actually spends like four uncommitted right

1802
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: and also in New Hampshire was it was a two

1803
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: week organic campaign. This has financing behind it, and like

1804
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: you said, Rashida has actual money if she decides to

1805
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 1: pull the trigger.

1806
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 4: And she didn't even go up on air all right.

1807
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Speaker 1: Here in the United States, when it comes to foreign figures,

1808
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 1: we deal in cartoons, only in caricatures, and so that

1809
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: was the case when it comes to Alexia Volney. He,

1810
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: on the one hand, was the hero of the Russian

1811
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: resistance and the leading light of that nation. If you

1812
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: hear from other people, he was a racist in islamophobe,

1813
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: cia stooge who deserved what he got. So to try

1814
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: to actually move it from cartoon charriacture into kind of

1815
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: real life, we're going to be joined by socialist commentator

1816
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: Yegor Kotkin joining us from Moscow. Yegor, you've talked a

1817
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: little bit about Navalney online recently. If we can put

1818
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: up this element from Jegor here, this is one of

1819
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: the things you said, the living Navalney was important not

1820
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: because of his politics, but as a political trailblazer. Dead

1821
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Navalney is important as a symbol of resistance to the

1822
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: oligarchic regime, and the same people who killed him as

1823
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: a human now are trying to kill him as a symbol.

1824
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 4: Don't be a part of it.

1825
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: And Yegor, what I found interesting about your analysis, which

1826
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: people can find on your Twitter accountant is much deeper

1827
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: than that, is that if you were here in the

1828
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Speaker 1: United States, you'd probably be in the camp of people

1829
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: who were saying, actually, this guy's as cia st and uh,

1830
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Speaker 1: you know.

1831
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: Deserve deserves what he deserves, what he got. But there's

1832
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 4: so much more to then Walney story.

1833
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Speaker 1: So let me let me start with this question, what's

1834
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Speaker 1: been your kind of relationship to Navawnyism over your own

1835
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: political evolution?

1836
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 15: Well, I have to say I knew as a figure

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01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 15: political figure and the following all of his career for

1838
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 15: almost fifteen years, and most of this time I was

1839
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 15: a novely skeptic because of I mean, it's not a

1840
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 15: secret that she started basically as a fastist. I mean

1841
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 15: his video about from two thousand and seven when he

1842
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 15: referred to the immigrants as cockroaches being reserved again with

1843
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 15: his name back in the news, and there was a lot.

1844
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 12: Then he moved to the left.

1845
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 15: He constantly, in my view him constantly moved to the

1846
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 15: left over this fifteen year public career, reaching first liberal center,

1847
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 15: then moving even slightly to the left, almost borderline social

1848
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 15: democratic policies, but still staying firmly in the liberal center.

1849
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 15: And I think the history of Navali resonated with the

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01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 15: audience specifically because this is a history of a populist

1851
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 15: who was follow his whole life path was finding a

1852
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 15: way to communicate with the most Russian people as possible,

1853
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 15: and as many populists going for the most people. He

1854
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 15: started from the lowest possible nominators, So he started from

1855
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 15: the ride and started from from xenophobia.

1856
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: But so can I can did he ever recant the xenophobia?

1857
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 4: Did he recant that?

1858
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: Or what he?

1859
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

1860
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 4: What was his evolution like?

1861
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 12: Uh, well, he entered very soon. He moved moved on

1862
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 12: to anti.

1863
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 15: Corruption uh investigations, and he entered the liberal center, liberal media,

1864
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 15: who became his main base of support and the network

1865
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 15: of support. And he moved on from the Russian marches

1866
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 15: and Russian nationalism to being basically liberal centrist like closer

1867
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 15: to twenty thirteen, twenty fifteen, but he still was looking

1868
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 15: for he still was staying in the populist lane. It's

1869
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 15: just his When he found that being populist right put

1870
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 15: you in such as in certain fringe area, very limited

1871
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,919
Speaker 15: area of a fringe right, he moved.

1872
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 12: On to the center.

1873
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 15: But he started experiment with the leftist populist policies, and

1874
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 15: in some of them he actually went to the left

1875
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 15: of his main base of support and network of support

1876
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 15: liberal people. One for example, in twenty eighteen, becoming a

1877
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 15: presidential election.

1878
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 12: In Russia, where he tried to.

1879
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 15: Compete with Puttin, he suggested increase in a minimum wage

1880
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 15: two and a half times, five times from ten from

1881
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 15: ten thousand troubles to twenty five thousand troubles. It is

1882
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,520
Speaker 15: a very substantial increase. It is very necessary increase for Russia.

1883
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 15: It's even harder situation than in American in terms of

1884
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 15: a living wage. Here and he was heavily criticized by

1885
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 15: his own base and network of support by the liberal center,

1886
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 15: to the extent that even now six years later, when

1887
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 15: he already did this topic of debate about this minimumage increase,

1888
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 15: he's suggested again was reiterated in the day of his

1889
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 15: death by his supporters, So this debate never never died.

1890
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: Just one of the things that I'm trying to get to.

1891
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I think for our audience, they're hearing about him a

1892
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 2: lot in our news. What I hear from you is

1893
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 2: he was a complicated figure. You know, we understand him

1894
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: only as a Putent critic. You know, from what I

1895
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: can tell, he was a Russian nationalist, but he was

1896
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 2: an anti corruption activist. But he wasn't necessarily you know,

1897
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: the dream of European politicians like how how did he

1898
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 2: How did people inside of Russia think of Navalny and

1899
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 2: why did Putin consider him a threat enough to throw

1900
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 2: him in prison?

1901
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 15: I think, uh, I think you can you you can't

1902
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 15: tell how people that also think about Novality because it's

1903
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 15: heavily skewed by the propaganda from Putting media on the

1904
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 15: one hand, and the liberal propaganda from Individia independent media

1905
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 15: on the other hand. So his view in any Russian

1906
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 15: group will be heavily skewed by ideological bias. And uh,

1907
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 15: I think Putting the recognized him as the biggest threat

1908
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 15: to his rule because Navali always starketed him his as

1909
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 15: his main enemy, and his populist search search for whatever

1910
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 15: give him the most base of support. He also experimented

1911
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 15: the support of unions at some point, being one of

1912
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 15: the first politicians who tried to restore restore unions as

1913
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 15: a political force in Russia. Since he us as our fault,

1914
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 15: so again it was kind of left to show of

1915
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 15: him to try to do this. He always tried to

1916
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 15: maximize his base of support to to bit Puchin, So

1917
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 15: his target always was Puchin, and that made him uh.

1918
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 15: He obviously had some ideology, but his main goal in

1919
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 15: life was to defit Putchin, and he was able. He

1920
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 15: was ready to utilize any means necessary to do that.

1921
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 12: In terms of political he never he never crossed the

1922
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 12: line of.

1923
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 15: Political violence actually, but in terms of political engagement, he

1924
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 15: was looking everywhere for every way Pusson. That's that's why

1925
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 15: he was uh the dangerous for pushing. That's why Putting

1926
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 15: kindesing out him as his enemy. And that's why I

1927
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 15: when I said the road the street on his death.

1928
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 15: He was mainly a trail Brazer. My politics is not

1929
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 15: navality politics. I evolved myself from like liberal center to

1930
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 15: basically a socialist right now, so I always was to

1931
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 15: the left of him.

1932
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 12: We never saw so I why but I saw.

1933
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 15: In his what he's doing, UH the best possibility for

1934
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 15: opening for leftist electoral politics in Russia, which right now

1935
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 15: doesn't exist, so I thought, and his experiments with the

1936
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 15: left initiatives like rising medium wage UH, re animating unions

1937
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 15: UH and the helicopter money during the COVID lockdowns and

1938
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 15: UH social democratic initiatives led that.

1939
01:33:58,520 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 9: Uh.

1940
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,799
Speaker 12: They were very very useful.

1941
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 15: And is his electoral initiatives like smart voting actually helped

1942
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 15: to elect some leftist deputies in Moscow City Duma from

1943
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 15: the young leftist ILK, not all the Red Guard who

1944
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 15: basically go with put you in one hundred percent of times,

1945
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 15: but from the young oppositions, opposition leftists. They for the

1946
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 15: first time got in some high places of power in Russia,

1947
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 15: being elected.

1948
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 12: Right now they all.

1949
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 15: Already removed from there, but for the first time since

1950
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 15: ninety ninety one, new leftist ILK got in places in

1951
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 15: power of power in part the help of novality.

1952
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Of One of the things you'll hear here in the

1953
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Speaker 1: United States about him is that actually kind of American

1954
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Speaker 1: leads overblow how how much power he had, how much

1955
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Speaker 1: support he had among Russian people. What's your sense of

1956
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Speaker 1: what kind of base of social support he had there.

1957
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Speaker 12: I think I think it's true.

1958
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Speaker 15: I think they projected a lot of their own expectations

1959
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Speaker 15: on Navali and his real base of support. If I

1960
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Speaker 15: don't think it ever would in like perfect perfectly free

1961
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Speaker 15: elections with the strong leftist party is a strong social

1962
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Speaker 15: democratic presence, not only put in versus Novale.

1963
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Speaker 12: I don't think the liberal center.

1964
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Speaker 15: That Novality represent would ever broke fifteen percent threshold as

1965
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Speaker 15: it was in the nineties, because when there was a

1966
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Speaker 15: kind of freeish election in the nineties and Russia, the

1967
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Speaker 15: liberal center always was kind of marginal.

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Speaker 12: That's why the loss.

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Speaker 1: So if you say fifteen or fifty fifteen, now, I

1970
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Speaker 1: don't think it would be much much much more than

1971
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Speaker 1: that because so tiny.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, actually yes, well significant noticeable, but not like the

1973
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Speaker 15: Legion Party because either nationalists right propus and right or

1974
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Speaker 15: old school proslags left still has much bigger place of

1975
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Speaker 15: supporting Russia for natural reasons.

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Speaker 2: But yegor even within that, from you know, your realistic assessment,

1977
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Speaker 2: he still was thrown in prison, sent above the Arctic Circle,

1978
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Speaker 2: and we can put this up there on the screen.

1979
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Speaker 2: Apparently they're telling his family that he suffered from some

1980
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Speaker 2: like quote sudden death syndrome, which we have here. I mean,

1981
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Speaker 2: it's just laughable for many of us to look at.

1982
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Speaker 2: I know you've told him many times that people in

1983
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Speaker 2: Russia they probably don't even hear stuff like this, or

1984
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Speaker 2: if they do, they believe it. But you know, it

1985
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Speaker 2: seems to us a position of weakness to kill somebody,

1986
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Speaker 2: you know, in this manner whenever as you describe, it's

1987
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Speaker 2: not even a realistic threat.

1988
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Speaker 3: What can would that tell us about Putin himself? You know,

1989
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Speaker 3: at this moment in time.

1990
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Speaker 15: The reason of this being this is actually find to

1991
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Speaker 15: find it? Yes, you know, well what can I say?

1992
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Speaker 15: It all comes back to his main goal being able

1993
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Speaker 15: to to defeit Putchin and his ability to utilize I mean, overall,

1994
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Speaker 15: in a normal electoral stration, calm and democratic, I don't

1995
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Speaker 15: think his brand of liberalism would have more than fifteen

1996
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Speaker 15: percent of support, But he was in terms of political

1997
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Speaker 15: repression that Putting created, he was able to mobilize this

1998
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Speaker 15: fifteen percent just proportionally.

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Speaker 12: It was young.

2000
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Speaker 15: People, people living in big cities, people living in Moscow.

2001
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Speaker 15: His highest rating most Scow elections was almost thirty percent

2002
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Speaker 15: ten years ago. It was a very high result for

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Speaker 15: liberal politician. So he was able to utilize this young,

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Speaker 15: passionate part of the Russian people who would go on

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Speaker 15: streets on the protests. On the biggest street protests were

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Speaker 15: either with the Navali presence ten years ago when Putting

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Speaker 15: announced that he's going back as a president for the

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Speaker 15: third term, or ten years later when Aval was returned

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Speaker 15: to Russia three years ago and was imprisoned again. The

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Speaker 15: biggest protest in the last ten years broke up on

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Speaker 15: the streets again internection with Navali names.

2012
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Speaker 12: So his ability to be.

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Speaker 15: Visible and you mabilized youth and mabilized street politics in

2014
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Speaker 15: the way that any other political force in Russia can

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Speaker 15: or wouldn't do. I think that's what put him on

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Speaker 15: the map, and that's why pushing was in some fashions,

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Speaker 15: maybe if Putting was more democratic irrationally afraid, because I

2018
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Speaker 15: don't think that, Like, we can see how politics can

2019
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Speaker 15: change leaders' names, parties and still remain the same on

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Speaker 15: the example of America. So there is a lot of

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Speaker 15: There is a lot of ways to continue the status school,

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Speaker 15: especially if your status school is the power of like

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Speaker 15: one hundred or one thousand riches people in the country

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Speaker 15: without without political repression or in without.

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Speaker 12: Political killing.

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Speaker 15: So result like breaking the elections, you can do it

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Speaker 15: through different things like America does.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense, Riego, We always appreciate your analysis live from Moscow.

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Speaker 2: As a reminder, this man is literally, you know, risking

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Speaker 2: a lot, you know, to be able to just come

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Speaker 2: to us live. You can follow him on Twitter. We'll

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Speaker 2: have a link to that in the description. And we

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Speaker 2: always appreciate your time, sir. Thank you, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: see you later.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for hosting with me.

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Speaker 2: My friend, you are always a bare no no, you're

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Speaker 2: not doing counterpoints.

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Speaker 3: Cristal will be filling in for you on counterpoints.

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Speaker 4: Going to Mexico.

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Speaker 3: Going to Mexico, nice, watch.

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Speaker 4: Some fish concerts. I'll be thinking of you down there.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get you down there. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 4: you down there one year. You're gonna work it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I won't be at a fish concert and

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Speaker 2: tell you that I'll be somewhere somewhere, very very far

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Speaker 2: away from civilization, eating tacos or something like that from

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Speaker 2: a guy on the street. Anyway, Thank you guys so

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Speaker 2: Chris will be back and I will see you all tomorrow.

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