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Speaker 2: Hmmm mm hmm. Welcome back all the smoke, Jeff. We

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Speaker 2: got a good one today, man. Some of who's been

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Speaker 1: Man, some of we grew up looking up to and

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Speaker 1: got a chance to play against one of the most

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Speaker 1: of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. Welcome to the show, Shawk.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate check appreciate you, long time color bro. Got a

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Speaker 1: chance to check your dock out. Uh in your duck.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote jack He had the body of Lebron,

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Speaker 1: run our test and Steven Jackson. When you hear people

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Speaker 1: who went on to have long, successful NBA careers, you

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Speaker 2: And when when.

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Speaker 1: You hear those kind of guys giving you the love

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Speaker 1: and praise you deserve, how does that make you feel.

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Speaker 3: On some level mission accomplished? And then you know, it's

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Speaker 3: like a bittersweet because like I got almost all the

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Speaker 2: Like the part that.

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Speaker 3: Didn't work at the end that I was doing everything for,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I still deal today. I tell people,

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Speaker 3: you know, the mental health is real because I battle daily.

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Speaker 3: You know, every day is different, but I start my

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Speaker 1: Well let's let's let's dig into that, because I you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously I think you know, mental health when we were

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Speaker 1: And I think athletes over the life last five years

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Speaker 1: You know, athletes to make millions of dollars. People who

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Speaker 1: Where are you at with that? Like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: I think, as the most on a daily basis, I'm

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been through my toughest challenges after finishing

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: My whole life now is about service, helping the community,

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Speaker 1: Generations with such a historical start, how hard is that

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Speaker 3: Right, It's a daily battle with the mind. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: Inglewood growing up in Inglewood.

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Speaker 4: You talk about not having a childhood, I know firsthand

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Speaker 4: I'm being on a Sports illustrator as a freshman in

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Speaker 3: With all this stuff today, people got to realize that

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Speaker 3: When I got to Sports Illustrated, it was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And everybody else has grown

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Speaker 1: But what's different is when we came up, there was

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Speaker 3: Absolutely a lot of other guys. I think about Ronnie Fields.

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Speaker 3: He started off with Easton Washington, they moved initially start

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Speaker 3: Dropped forty on them playing with the Crito's Jaguars, shout

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Speaker 3: And I had the training opportunity with Marvar Enovich rest

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Speaker 1: And what age were you training? Because he got I

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Speaker 3: So everybody talked about Grover and what he did with Jordan.

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Speaker 3: You know, Michael Jordan made Grover at the end of

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And that work you know

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Speaker 4: Regardless how much success you have. At some point in life,

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Speaker 3: Talk about that against Pete with Paul and Kin about it.

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Speaker 3: I was in summer school. I wasn't even at the tournament.

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Speaker 3: They was flying KG in. You know, Paul played with

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Speaker 3: It was I knew the calling that I had, the

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Speaker 3: You know, when the bottle's falling out, you're still doing

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, I got a Tupac quote on me

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Speaker 4: But they don't they don't they didn't know how well

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Speaker 3: It could be some disrespectful things said, some elbows or something,

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I think that's what's lost

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Speaker 3: I gotta take advantage of this opportunity. They are too

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Speaker 3: I hate that aspect of it. Now, the work part,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't show you that. They only want

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Speaker 3: When somebody chug you real quick, they put some wood

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Speaker 1: You know. Obviously now being older and wiser, you feel

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Speaker 3: to you. I'm saying to myself, I don't come from

434
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 3: this world. My parents didn't teach me how to just

435
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 3: take for people. It was all about earning your keep.

436
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 3: So I always looked at it like, well, if you

437
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 3: give me something for nothing, there's yeah, there you go,

438
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 3: there's strings of that motive. Yeah, And I don't wanted.

439
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that I was afflicted. I hate that

440
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 3: I had to go through all of these channels to

441
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 3: be here, because it almost took my life, right, But

442
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm here today to help a lot

443
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 3: of other people save their lives too. Touch on the

444
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 3: men's gym. We're actually doing a doc on the men's

445
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 3: gym UCLA Men's Gym. But you're coming in there fifteen

446
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 3: years old, running with Magic, Penny a King, who's who

447
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 3: used to come to LA in the summertime?

448
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 2: And Ron.

449
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 1: But as a young teenager, what were some of those

450
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 1: games like and how did you stand?

451
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: How did you feel against those guys? Man?

452
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: I used to look forward to it. I mean, I

453
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 3: didn't care how much I had to train, workout. I

454
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: couldn't wait the group. I knew it was gonna be

455
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 3: a test. Every time we got there, it'd be a

456
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 3: different NBA guy. And I'm gonna be facing in my position.

457
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm mean, you talk Eddie Jones and his prime with

458
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 3: the Lake Show, with Magic Sadel, Three's that whole team,

459
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: Nick Van Exel, Elden Campbell and that's right. And then

460
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 3: you had like grand Hill with his prime before he

461
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: had the knee injuries. You know, Kenny Anderson, he was

462
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 3: still playing at a high level. I'm facing all these

463
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: guys and I'm like, I can remember running the running

464
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: the wing. I think Magic had the rock in the middle.

465
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 3: He kicked it up to me. It was me and

466
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 3: Grant Hill the foot race, and I was closing it

467
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: from the left side, and I think he thought I

468
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: was gonna let it up, so he tried to like

469
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: swipe it. He tried to run by me and cut

470
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 3: me off and swipe it low. I just wrapped it

471
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 3: with around his body and dunk that thing. He kind

472
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 3: of looked at him, you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

473
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'm here. Yes, it It's just one of those

474
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: things I had to show a prove because I was

475
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: the only high school player in the gym.

476
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: Everybody else's NBA guys, and I'm playing with Magic.

477
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: Because you're speaking high school like you're a young high

478
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: school like you're fifteen years old, right, you know what

479
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean. Like we played a sixteen year old eighth

480
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: grade of this this year in au You know what

481
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: I mean, You're a fifteen year old freshman playing against

482
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: grown as he looked.

483
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah what I mean. He actual he's a baby though.

484
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really a baby in the grand scheme of things,

485
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: and to get out to really do your thing, do

486
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: you ever get a chance to work with any of

487
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: those guys outside of themnstam any pros and you worked

488
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: with coming.

489
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: Up or coffee with KD a little bit early with

490
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 3: KG Yeah, kdran he came out and worked with him

491
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: a little bit behind the scenes, but Harrison Bards a

492
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: little bit. A lot of college guys behind the scenes,

493
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: you know, at all different levels, and hand pick high

494
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: school players because I don't like dealing with all the

495
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: guys because the energy, if it's not right, if your

496
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: mind is up here, I'm not even gonna waste my

497
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: time because in my mind, like you have no idea

498
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: what it was like when I was playing it would happen,

499
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: and how humbling it can become.

500
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: So you can be here and they built you up

501
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: to do what to tear you out, So stay in

502
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: the middle. Summer ninety five, you play against Code? What

503
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: was that like? What was that game? Like? Man?

504
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 3: Rest in peace? First and foremost NBA players can't priss

505
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: in New Jersey one of the first they did a

506
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 3: NBPA top one hundred. Heard a lot about him going

507
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 3: into the camp. I was already nationally known. Kobe was

508
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: rising at that time. I think he was a junior

509
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: that summer and we really we really went at it.

510
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: We had a meeting that night before in the mess hall.

511
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: Everybody sat down and ate in the cafeteria and you know,

512
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: everybody's kind of sharing stories and we started drawing back

513
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: and forth. The East West thing. You know, it was

514
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: at a high at tension with Biggie in Pox. So

515
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: Kobe was feeling good. That's a choice words for me.

516
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm staying and you know the big

517
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: boot that I am, I've been right back and you know,

518
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in all that part of it.

519
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: But we really got after it when we played each other.

520
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: In my head, I was like, he's the one that's

521
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: standing in front of me right now. Everybody else. I

522
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 3: feel like I was doing what I need to do.

523
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to really show him that he wasn't better

524
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: than me because I felt like the East Coast always

525
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: got the knock in the West never really got to respect.

526
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: So for me, I had like the coast on my back.

527
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: It was me and I think the Collins twins one

528
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: of those guys that was there. Nobody else was from

529
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: California in the whole camp. I left the camp with

530
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: a lot more respect than I did when I got

531
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: there and me and Kobe went at it. It was

532
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 3: my best one on one matchup I probably ever had,

533
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: next to Metoworld piece as far as from a competitive aspect,

534
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: coming every play, every possession, I taking, no playoff, playing

535
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: it all the way to you know, I go with him,

536
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: he coming right back, and then yeah, it was no accident.

537
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: I said, man, this is what it's about. This is

538
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: what you trained for, prepare for it to be played

539
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: at that that high.

540
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: School and crazy talking.

541
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, non stop, yeah, non stop. I'm going out

542
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: now what yeah yeah, uh huh yeah. The West coast

543
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: can go too, you know what I'm saying. So it

544
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: was about that.

545
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: For me.

546
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't oh, I'm from the western from the East.

547
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: It's like, no, it don't matter where you come from.

548
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: You gotta show me right that I'm from Missouri, from

549
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: the show me state. You know, you gotta you gotta

550
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 3: line it up. So in that aspect, would NB he

551
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: ate top one hundred. I think Bobby Dantriss was there.

552
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: He was running at Darnielle Valentine was my counselor and

553
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: he happened to play with the Clippers. And I grew

554
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: up watching them in the sports run before they built

555
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: the Staples, And I told him, I said, man, that

556
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: crew you guys played with, you guys was tough as nails.

557
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: It was a different era. So I learned a lot

558
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: of tricks from that era too. So when I played

559
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: against Kobe, I was a lot stronger than he was.

560
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: He was more of a jump shooter at that time,

561
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: and I would mix it up. I go inside and out,

562
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: and it was just physically. I think it was too

563
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: much for him. Over time, I got the better hand

564
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: of him. We had a hell of a matchup, but

565
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: on that day I was better.

566
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Did you guys stay in contact after that?

567
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Every time we see each other in the summer. We

568
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: always somehow see each other in the summer, like at

569
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: Venice or you know, around La and stuff. He would

570
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: always acknowledge make time to chop it up. So he

571
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: never big timing, which I respected him. I think that

572
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: was a bond that we shared. He never really spoke

573
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: on it. He stayed quiet, but people would always ask me.

574
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: That's the only reason why I would talk about it,

575
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 3: because my whole thing is I'm not into showing people up.

576
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: But I got to tell the truth. When somebody asked

577
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: a question.

578
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: The Nike All American Camp big names, Alan Iverson, Esteban

579
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: we were the name a few. What were those matchups?

580
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: Like?

581
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: Great question? Also as the Bonn Weaver Columbus O House

582
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: supposed to have been the main guy out there, six

583
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: or four point guard. You know, he could do a

584
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: little bit of everything, like a like a magic throwback

585
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: more or less. Uh. We played each other at Nike Camp,

586
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: and I remember playing against him, went right around like

587
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: he was standing still. I remember one of the clipses

588
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: in the tape, top of the key hit him with

589
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: the right jabb.

590
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: Anderewverdonald lame Boom dunked it like he wasn't even standing there.

591
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: So at that point I think he knew, like, Okay,

592
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: I can't guard this dude.

593
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: So he was switching off and doing some creative defensive

594
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: taxis and created it, you know, from that end. But

595
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: we still talk to this day.

596
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: You know, good people shout out there, esterbon In some

597
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: of these other guys you mentioned another another name. I

598
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: missed him. Freshman year, my math teacher coach ikes that

599
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: modern day gave me a gave me a d had

600
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: to had to repeat a class. Really, so I had

601
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: to go to I had to go to summer school

602
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: as a freshman. I would have been at that Nike

603
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: camp with a I on TV Elujimi Lujami Man played

604
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: in that one.

605
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, who yeah, it's another one.

606
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the That was the guard before Beard,

607
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: before Jason Hard Yeah, illugim Man was the guy.

608
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you talk about mother and father in the

609
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: house doing right by your kid.

610
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: If they would have had him buckled down academically, he

611
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: would have played the U C l A. Things might

612
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: have been a lot different because LA offered him like

613
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: seventh eighth grade. So I want people to understand that. Yeah, Elluximi. Yeah,

614
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: but this is a game that people don't talk about Vegas.

615
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: You would get Mike Baby shout the mount You had

616
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: about fifty Mike had about forty five.

617
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a crazy game. I was okay, we

618
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: playing that time. Oh you remember?

619
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was crazy and a lot of people

620
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: that was a game that people need to talk about more.

621
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: Mike was a problem.

622
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: He scored so many different ways. Hell of a competitor

623
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: just kept coming. We didn't have an answer for him

624
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: at the guard position, and they couldn't hold me at

625
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: my spot.

626
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: So we were just going better than now.

627
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean this is I think a holiday

628
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: Classic in Vegas around Christmas time and it was one

629
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 3: of the biggest tournaments at the time of year. So

630
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: the gym was four thousand people passed. I mean every

631
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: gym we played in it was sold out.

632
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: You know.

633
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: At MO day freshman year, I think we lost one

634
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: game with thirty three and one lost to Krinshaw and

635
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: going to go to state. Should have won that game,

636
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: got cheated. That's a whole other thing. Followed me out

637
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: two three phantom calls. I love you, Chris Johnson. You

638
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: know they cheated, you know, but just the erab, I

639
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: missed the bond, the brotherhood that we had. You can't

640
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: capture that nowhere. And I would always say, what's life

641
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: going to be back after basketball? What it's challenging because

642
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: you feel disconnected from the world some level speak.

643
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: To at a young age. The one thing I heard

644
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: when everyone talked about you, you get a chance to see

645
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: you play, seeing film, you showed up every game. The

646
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: consistency for you at a young age, where some guys

647
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: are going like this, you were consistent and speak to

648
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: what you contribute that to.

649
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: Just to work at facing facing my fears, daring to

650
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: be great, you know, uh, coming early, standing, like training

651
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: with my brother, training with Marv, doing stuff on my own,

652
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: you know, jump a rope, running the dunes. Uh donkey

653
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: calf phrases. Uh, me and my brother, what's donkey calf raising?

654
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: Put someone on your back? We put somebody, Put somebody

655
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: on your back, and you lean over like you you

656
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: did them.

657
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you got.

658
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: To go all the way up and all the way down,

659
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: all the way up on the tippies back down. You

660
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: got to get those fires at the end where it

661
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: feels like it's cheering, so you get that fast, twisted united.

662
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: So it was things I was doing at a young age.

663
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: And then you know, calisthetic training to pull up, push up,

664
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: dip circuits and doing stuff for my cousins, getting locked up,

665
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 3: coming home, showing me a little tactics to get stronger,

666
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: get bigger, faster without having to take creat team and

667
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: all these things. So I attributed to the work ethic

668
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: man and I just had the discipline and encourage to

669
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: show when I got on the court. A lot of

670
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 3: people play well in practice and then training, but they

671
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: getting the game and another translator reason, Yeah, the lights

672
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: get big all of a sudden, the lights the lights

673
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: is the same whititch, but all of a sudden, you

674
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: can't hit the shot, you can't hit the front throw,

675
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: You're missing layers.

676
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: You know.

677
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: I can't teach that part of now, but it sounds

678
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: like at a young age, which is hard especially to do.

679
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: Now you fell in love with the process.

680
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: I did, Yeah, And I love the game because I

681
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: didn't want to do construction. I hated that so much.

682
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: I understand was that part.

683
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: But I knew my father was teaching me at the

684
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: same time he was teaching me work, ethic and accountability.

685
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: You know, I love them to death, you know, God

686
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: bless rest his soul. But I see now this helping

687
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: me in my fight in this thing we call life,

688
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, with the hardships and the travesties I had

689
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: to endure to help a lot of other people. And

690
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: I did the hard work on myself, pouring into me.

691
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: Instead of being bitter than scarred, I chose to be better,

692
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, because after I chose not to take my life,

693
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: I started thinking about what do I want to do now?

694
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: What is the next phase in my life going to

695
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: look like. You know, I don't want to be the

696
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: guy talking about what I used to do at the

697
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: barbershop and things like that. So you know, I took

698
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: a different approach. I said, you know what, I'm going

699
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: to help the kids coming up so they don't have

700
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: to go through what I went through, and I'm going

701
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: to do right by then work wrong was done by me.

702
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: You mentioned taking your life a couple of times already,

703
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: and I saw in your dog you had called your

704
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: girl and you told her this time and explain for

705
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 2: those who haven't seen the doc, what she told you

706
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: and how that kind of flipped your switch. We had,

707
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: we had a moment.

708
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: I called her, handed three fifty seven up, pointed up

709
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: to my head and I was just tired. Man.

710
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: I didn't have no feeling at what it was now.

711
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: I was probably.

712
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: I was in Juco. I believe just finished Lovely City.

713
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: I think I was going to Alabama. I was probably like.

714
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Twenty one, yeah, something like that, and.

715
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to feel no more. And I

716
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: called her. I said, listen, I can't do this. You know,

717
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: time is now. You know I can't do this life.

718
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take my life. I don't I don't want

719
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: to I don't want to live no more. And she said, well,

720
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: if you're gonna do it, come get me. And it

721
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: moved me in a different way. And I'm saying to myself, man,

722
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: she got that much love for me where you'll sit

723
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: there and.

724
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: Go out with me.

725
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: At the same time, I said, how many people would

726
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: actually do that? So that hit me in a different way,

727
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, maybe there's something else to this.

728
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: And it kind of grabbed me like I don't know,

729
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like God just grabbed me at

730
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: that time, like, don't do it. Put the pistol down,

731
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: you know. I broke down, was crying. I was in

732
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: my father's truck at the time, and then I wound

733
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: up driving back to the house and I just sat

734
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: in the front for some time. Nobody knew. My mother

735
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: didn't notice for years. I mean, I think she found

736
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: out during the film one of the screenings, you know,

737
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: the details of what my mental health experiences was like.

738
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: So but after that, I started thinking about reasons to live.

739
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: So I tell people today, you gotta fight to live,

740
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: you know, because it gets hard out here.

741
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, you leave your.

742
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: House you're in a good mood, get on the freeway,

743
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: somebody cut you off.

744
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: You got a choice to make.

745
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna let them get your energy, or you're gonna

746
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: keep your vibration high, or you're gonna try to run

747
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: him down, and you know, get even and all of that.

748
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: So I learned.

749
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: I said, I have to focus on meditation, I gotta pray,

750
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: and I gotta pour into myself with something positive. Every morning.

751
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: I listened to Jim Rohn a lot. I was listening

752
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: to Wayne Dyer this morning. A lot of people like this,

753
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: doctor Miles Moreau rest in peace. Jim Ron passed away too,

754
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: but he talked Tony Robbins, who's the biggest motivational speaker

755
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: in the world. I mean a ton of knowledge. It

756
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: reverts a lot of stuff back to the Bible, where

757
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: it makes it real for me because I know how

758
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: God showed up for me in the mental shootouts and

759
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: people pulling pistols and things like that. And I remained

760
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: calm under pressure because you have that reassurance that you

761
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 3: know everybody's not gonna live forever. And sometimes bad things

762
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 3: having to good people, but it's what you do after

763
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: them is what's most important. It's not what happens, it's

764
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: what you do.

765
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: You were just talking about like things could happen and

766
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: you could just leave your house with somebody can signs up.

767
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: You've been through that, yep. A lot of people don't know.

768
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that? You talk about that? Yeah,

769
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: last two and a half years. I mean, I got

770
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: a bad accident. Got hit by a diesel, driving in

771
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: my lane, minding my business, driving the speed limit, doing

772
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: everything right. It was a decent pull in the water

773
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: truck eighteen wheeler didn't even see me, clip me. I

774
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: got hitched to his bumper, I mean, lifted my car

775
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: up completely off the ground. I mean it was surreal,

776
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: and I remained calm because God had his wings around

777
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: me at that time, and I was able to regain

778
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: control of the car, pulled the car off his bumper

779
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: and pulled it to the shoulder, flagged him down, and

780
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: then you know, I was in shock. They had to

781
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: call the ambulance, went to the er. They told me, look,

782
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: you're lucky about a half inch closer you did. It

783
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: took about a year and a half two years to recover.

784
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: I did a ton of physical therapy and aguculture, A

785
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: lot of stretching and just going through my circuits and

786
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: my training and being in the sauna a lot in praying, man,

787
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: because it was scary when I couldn't really move, I'd

788
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: stand up and I could barely walk. You know, you

789
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: feel your joint, your back just felt locked up. You

790
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: don't really understand the value of your faculties until certain

791
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: things are taken away. So I tell people, you know,

792
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm upright, I'm whole, I'm healthy. That's a blessing in itself.

793
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Say you play anymore. I've exhausted my reperence.

794
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean it was crazy. You still look like you

795
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: can play though, right down my REPERTI that's a good

796
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that motherfucker. You got to think though, man,

797
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: like we didn't.

798
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: We done went through all kinds of ship through his

799
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: his high school basketball career, right, and he experienced more

800
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: stuff in high school. People experience lifetime of basketball. And

801
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: we're talking here at twenty one. He's so he's dealing

802
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 3: with so much pressure at twenty one and want to take.

803
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: His life from basketball.

804
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: That's why I say, it's nobody that I ever knew

805
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: that went through so much was bigger in high school

806
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: than this guy dog because nobody else was on the

807
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: colose course this right as a pressure name somebody else right,

808
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: So that that just it just it just bogged my

809
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: mind when when we talk, we got through all that

810
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: and he's talking about take your life, but he was

811
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: just twenty one. Yeah, that's crazy, all this stuff you'd

812
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: been through in that short time. Yeah, the pain, you know,

813
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: I mean, we're competitors, so you want to see a result.

814
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: You want to see a return on your investment, and

815
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: we don't get to return that you thought you was

816
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: looking at. And now it's like, okay, well somebody got

817
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: to pay. So how do you channel that frustration, that energy?

818
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: You know, there there was an anger there. It was

819
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 3: a rage inside of me for years and I had

820
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: to deal with that. You know, nobody else could help me,

821
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: No woman could help me through that. My parents could

822
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: help me through that. My brother I said, man, this

823
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: is tough. I got to a point in my life

824
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: where I don't know what to do and everybody was

825
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: looking at me like I had all the answers. And

826
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: finally I got to a point, that breaking point where

827
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: I could go this way completely or I could just surrender.

828
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 3: So I chose the surrender, gave my life to the Lord,

829
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: probably twenty years ago, wholeheartedly. Never looked back since, and

830
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: my road has been more challenging, but it's worth it.

831
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: And that's what I stand on college.

832
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: He initially was trying to go to school with your

833
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: brother at long Be Staate shot at James, that's the

834
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: homie tool ended up Like you said, at Alabama, how

835
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: all that happened? You're supposed to go to UCLA, like

836
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 4: talk about that role to trying to get in school.

837
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: Great question started at lower State my brother. We had

838
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: some financial hardships at home. So my brother found out

839
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: that he'd be mid lay first round kick idea if

840
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: he was to come out.

841
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: So we had a meeting. He had an agreement and

842
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: he said, you.

843
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: Know, we wanted to turn pro to help the family

844
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: and achieve his dream, which he did, and I revisited

845
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 3: my commitment. At the time of Lowry State, I felt

846
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: like I could go bigger and I knew my talent

847
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: deemed that opportunity and I always wanted to play at UCLA.

848
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: I felt like it was the west coast, North Carolina,

849
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: so it was an easy one for me and they

850
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: were open arms you know. So when that happened, barren

851
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: and early, and everybody had already committed and signed, so

852
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: I was like the last one. So I was excited

853
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: because I felt like we were a good team and

854
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: we was final four boundary year and everything was all good.

855
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: Went to u LA, enrolled in freshman FSP. We're doing workouts,

856
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: getting ready for the quarter system. We go through our classes,

857
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: getting my last my last in grades. One of my

858
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: proctors came and handed me a newspaper and see twelve

859
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: validates Cotton, say the score out the blue. You invalidated

860
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: a score that was okay for Long Beech State. We

861
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: wasn't okay for you, seal A. You tell me what

862
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: hap And everybody looked at me like I was dumb,

863
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: Like I did something that I wasn't supposed to be doing.

864
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's good for him. See that's that's what he gets.

865
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: Like I said, you building luck to do what to

866
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: tear him down and praise you for a little while,

867
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: But as long as you don't succeed for too long,

868
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: the hate gonna come. So it's how you deal with it. Right,

869
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: So at that point, it was kind of like something

870
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: they right, why is everybody else get to stay and

871
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: I gotta leave. So I went from UCLA to you know,

872
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: evaluating all my options, and I said, well, I didn't

873
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: really want to go to JUCO. I always would look

874
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: down on that. You know, why would I have to

875
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: go to JUCO when I'm good enough to play D one.

876
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: So I looked at the prep schools, went back east,

877
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: looked at a few schools settled on Saint Thomas Moore.

878
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: They had a rich tradition, you know.

879
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: Devin R.

880
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: D's head Koda Aju Din, one of my teammates, played there.

881
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: Andre Drummond played in the NBA as well, and a

882
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: bunch of other guys that played at a high level

883
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: D one.

884
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: So I don't want to cut you off, but you

885
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: didn't cheat on your sat not at all. Explain what happened.

886
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: My guidance counselor MSS Goodman recipes. Vicki Goidman sat in

887
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: on my test. She prompted it.

888
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: We were in like a like a guidance counselor room

889
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: and it was just me and her. She sat directly

890
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: across the table. I'm at one end, she's at the other,

891
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: and just sat there. I had larger print. You were

892
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: given at a little bit more time for my test.

893
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: That was all it was.

894
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was diagnosed to add didn't realize that

895
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: until I was in high school, and they just made

896
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: an adjustment for me because I would freeze up when

897
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: it came to test taking when I had a timement,

898
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: So they made some adjustments.

899
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: I was able to take the test.

900
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 3: I passed the test on my third time, I believe,

901
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: And it was like I cheated, and I'm saying to myself,

902
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: how's that possible. I got my guidance counselor here all

903
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: by myself. Yeah, all by myself, and she spoke to

904
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: it in the film. But the problem is my name

905
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: had been slandered in the media for so long everybody

906
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: just believed it. Believe yeah, And this film came out

907
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: way later, so the information now it is like Luke.

908
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had me to cut you off.

909
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make it because it was a bullshit,

910
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I don't want people

911
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: to think, oh, he really did cheating, not like nah,

912
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: he didn't. They just tried to fuck him over.

913
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm a fun guy.

914
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 3: I mean, somebody had to be the one to set

915
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: the example. I wasn't taking the money. See if you

916
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: take the money and now I have levers to get

917
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: you into this space over here. But that was the

918
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: biggest thing, and nobody owned me. I wasn't under nobody else.

919
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: It was like my family was running the show. My

920
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: pops was the one so and nobody was gonna go

921
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: against that. So it was kind of like, well, that's

922
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: a threat. And you're black in America and you got

923
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: all this power and you're not even in the NBA here,

924
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: how we're gonna control him.

925
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: It's bigger in the basketball party a too, So I

926
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 4: know what she was going through. I had the same situation,

927
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: but I just didn't pass. I should have asked that

928
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 4: motherfucker some questions. He's sitting there the whole time. I'm

929
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: just looking at him like, bro, you ain't gonna help.

930
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 4: So I'm saying nothing because I really don't want to

931
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: blow It's covered off mine, right, So I just abracadaba

932
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: that motherfucker all the way through. I thought I was

933
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: gonna do it. But yeah, so I feel that property

934
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: some bullshit and it making a lot of black athletes,

935
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: all young black basketball players coming up in our time.

936
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm saying, because the test is already

937
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 4: cultured to buy a lot of that shit. I guarantee

938
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: eight percent is on the test has nothing to do

939
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: with a nigga being successful right now, you know, how

940
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: do you expect me to know that shit when I'm

941
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: really in the game and I'm in the middle of it.

942
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Explain what it is? Said? What is prop forty eight

943
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: For those who don't.

944
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: Know, Pro forty eight is is somebody that doesn't doesn't

945
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: pass a test and you have to go a different route.

946
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: You're not able to enter that university that you're trying

947
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: to attend as a student athlete. So you got to

948
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: shit out and get your academics in order in order

949
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: to have the opportunity in any way any way possible.

950
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 3: Ideally go to junior college or prep and then try

951
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: to retake the test, which they had me doing at

952
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: Samet Thomas More. I retook a test I already passed.

953
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the dumbest stuff in history right here.

954
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: So I had already been ran through the mud, and

955
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, how is one supposed to feel when you've

956
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: done everything in your power to be in a position

957
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: to succeed and done it.

958
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: The right way rights, and it's just robbed from you.

959
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: It's taken from you.

960
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: So that's what I want people to understand that I

961
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: survived that, and I thank god I survived that. But

962
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: that's not the easy feet. A lot of these kids

963
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: may not be that successful these days.

964
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: Now. It's broken a lot of people. We know.

965
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's not here today.

966
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's broken a lot of people.

967
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: So our community, you broke it. We've seen so many

968
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 4: go through it. You know what I'm saying. That wasn't

969
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: strong enough to deal with it and didn't go with

970
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: didn't go through half the stuff you went through, you

971
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

972
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: So you land in Alabama with a ton of promises

973
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: and they put you with the Power Forward.

974
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: Told us about that experience. It was all good.

975
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: When I was playing the three pre season, they couldn't

976
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: hold me, you know, played the Arizona University of Delaware

977
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: to the Arizona Tournament. I can remember it like it was yesterday,

978
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: at thirty eight against them. It was easy too. I'm like, man,

979
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: it's gonna be fun this.

980
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Season, you know.

981
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: And SEC Conference started and our big fellow Jeremy Hayes

982
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: went down towards me up, had a meeting with the coach.

983
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: She said, look, you know you got college experience. You

984
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: only one that could really play the fore position out

985
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: of our guys and see the playout of position. Don't

986
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: play at all. So that was the easy one. And

987
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: they hit me like a ton of bricks. You know

988
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I got to see him.

989
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: I fought two years for this reality and you told

990
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: me that I had a point guard that was going

991
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: to put the ball in my hands. And then you

992
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: isolate me at the ford, don't run no place for me,

993
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: and I still become All SEC second team. People don't

994
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: understand what that's like. And you're the guy, You're not

995
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: just a smoke on a wheel. You're doing this to me.

996
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: Then it became like my ego. Then like how dare

997
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: you take me away from my home, lie to me

998
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: and my parents, get me out here. Then you do

999
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: this to me.

1000
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: But you're using my status as a McDonald's All American

1001
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: to get Jerald Wallace and more William to come in

1002
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: the next season, to have less numbers than me, to

1003
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: get drafted, and I don't even get my name called.

1004
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: So the handwright was on the wall for me.

1005
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: When I saw myself being played out of position, I said,

1006
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: I gotta get out of here. I knew that, and

1007
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: I said, after this season, I gotta go wherever I'm going,

1008
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: I gotta go somewhere, and I'm going to get some money.

1009
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this no more. It was three years, okay,

1010
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: it was like a big waste of time. And I'm

1011
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: saying to myself, if I would have known what I

1012
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: know now as a basketball mind, as a business mind,

1013
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: I would have probably never went to college. But I

1014
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: had to go through that to be right where I'm

1015
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: at today. So I can't change anything even if I

1016
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: wanted to. You know, that's the main dollar question, what

1017
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: would you change? I wouldn't change anything because I would

1018
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: be a different person. I may not even be here.

1019
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: Some other things that happened in the midst of that.

1020
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: But you get to the nineteen ninety nine draft. You're

1021
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: told by a few teams that anywhere from end of

1022
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: the lottery to end of the first round. Elaborate on

1023
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: that experience for you. I guess I didn't have a

1024
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: big enough agent. They had some of the most European

1025
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: players come out in that draft.

1026
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: That I had seen. Igor Rakosovich got rapped to the

1027
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: Minnesota Templeles. I thought they was gonna pick me. There

1028
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: was a lot of interest here. It was at eleven,

1029
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: I believe, so yeah, it was still like right in

1030
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 3: the top fifteen range. They told me I'd be somewhere

1031
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: from fifteen to maybe twenty five or thirty. I said,

1032
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: all right, cool, this is first round guaranteed money. Me

1033
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: and my brother went to Legends, which is a famous

1034
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: sports bar and long beach for the Buffalo Wings, and

1035
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: we did that, came back. I had my trainer there,

1036
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: ad my agent, Steve Kaufman, and my mother, father and

1037
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: I think my brother. That was That was one of

1038
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: my lowest points, probably, you know, next to almost taking

1039
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: my life and my father passing those three things right there.

1040
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: It was tough. It was tough. I mean I cried

1041
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: like a baby after that draft. To sit through that

1042
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: whole draft and to hear Kenny Smith talk about me

1043
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 3: a sleeper on the board, a guy that he thought

1044
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: would have been picked up, and nobody calls my name.

1045
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: It's like something that something isn't right, you know, supposed

1046
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: to happen. I had to live with that. I had

1047
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 3: to live through that. Likes there's more education and insight

1048
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: in adversity than in success. So that's what I live

1049
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: with today. Like everything that I've learned, everything that I endured,

1050
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing it for a better cause, a greater cause.

1051
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm doing it for something greater than myself, and that

1052
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: releases the pain, that releases anguish and anything else, you know,

1053
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: and that's a blessing for me right there to be

1054
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: able to impact people today and have platforms like this,

1055
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, tell your story, speak to it.

1056
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: I thought something that was really fascinating and relatable when

1057
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: you spoke in your documentary was all the young height

1058
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: you had growing up and accolades and stuff that happened

1059
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: and things not panning out and you kind of having

1060
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: to show your face back where you grew up and

1061
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: made your name map talk to us how hard that

1062
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: was for you? Mentally?

1063
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: That was probably the toughest thing, because you know, after

1064
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: rising to a certain level where you're almost at the

1065
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: top and he'll looking down like who's who's getting.

1066
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: Close to me? When you fall, it's like, well, how

1067
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do on this? You know? And

1068
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: I didn't have no mentor.

1069
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: I didn't have no no coach on the side that

1070
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: was looking out for me.

1071
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: I was by myself. I just had my family. That

1072
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: was it. You know.

1073
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: My mom's the only woman that stayed down for me

1074
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: through the twists and turns and the peaks and valleys.

1075
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: Relationships was filled, friendships, you know. Burying my homiet fifteen,

1076
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: him getting murdered changed my life forever. I'm saying to myself.

1077
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: Then bullets wouldn't even for him. But he was in

1078
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: the wrong room at the wrong time. So choices in life,

1079
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: you know. So I got a chance to see coming

1080
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: full circle, showing your face, where you make your name,

1081
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: where you lay, where you lay your head. People can

1082
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: respect that because I shook shook hands and kissed babies

1083
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: when I was on top, and when I fail, I

1084
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: didn't make difference because it wasn't working out. And I

1085
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: think that's what people when this city respect that know me,

1086
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: respect more than anything because they know I never changed,

1087
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: no matter what the cause.

1088
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: Part of the state of the NBA today it's entertainment. Yeah,

1089
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: it's not really sported anymore. I think they've transcended it

1090
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: to a different space. They've adapted the European style into

1091
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: the NBA game. It's very technical. I liked it better

1092
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: when it was a little bit more physical and just

1093
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: more up close and personal. I felt like the fan

1094
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: fare was different. I feel like fans got too much

1095
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: say so and they too close to the players. They

1096
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: should be more secure around the players and the NBA

1097
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: experience and then let the spectators do them.

1098
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: I think a lot of stuff is getting out of

1099
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: hand because of the money. Guys have a little bit

1100
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: too much influence the players on specific teams where they

1101
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: need to stand they land and focus on being the

1102
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 3: best player.

1103
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: You could be.

1104
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 3: Either you're going to be in management or you're gonna

1105
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: be a player. You can't do both, you know. I

1106
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: think that's a big thing in the game today. You

1107
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: have a lot of favoritism going on and a lot

1108
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: of guys that have the talent are slipping through the cracks.

1109
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: Then where do they go what happens to them. There's

1110
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: a lot of basketball players and not enough hoopers. You

1111
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: got a few hoopers in the game, Kyrie kd Bron

1112
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: You got some hoopers, yeah, but it's more basketball players now.

1113
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: We have more hoopers right, A lot of guys that

1114
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: just grew up playing basketball.

1115
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: Now you got guys that didn't play basketball to the

1116
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: tenth grade. They get a trainer, be on the AU.

1117
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: That's a high name. The AAU team. Catch a couple

1118
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: of lives. Now you're getting a hundred million dollars. He

1119
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: wasn't no Hooper. He's just a basketball player, right, you

1120
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So that's the big difference that

1121
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: people don't understand that.

1122
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the nil too, I mean that the value

1123
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: of how many followers you have. Do you have a

1124
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: blue check or not? I got eighteen thousand or something,

1125
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I don't have no check. I don't

1126
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: care about that check. I'm him in the skin in

1127
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: real time. Yeah, you gotta send me, Oh you gonna

1128
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: send me this, to send me that, to make sure

1129
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: you're who you say you are later for this, I'm

1130
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 3: tired all of that. Where is the realness? The authenticity?

1131
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 3: It's gone? And how do you recoup that? I say

1132
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: this all the time, how do you manufacture toughness? A

1133
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: lot of talented guys. I see a lot of guys

1134
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: that can shoot, they can handle it like crazy, athletic,

1135
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: do all these things.

1136
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: But when you get tested in the fourth quarter. Where

1137
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: are you at?

1138
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: Then it's a different game in the fourth quarter, right,

1139
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: and the guys that step up then those are the elite.

1140
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 3: You know, I say it all the time. It's explosive

1141
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: as Ion Williamson is. They need to have somebody get

1142
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: him with a nutritionist and get his weight down. Why

1143
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: you can't get that weight down. You walked into the

1144
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: league of fifty million. Let them give me that bag.

1145
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: You hear me.

1146
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be coming early, staying late, yoga pilates, I'm

1147
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: doing everything out there to maximize my career.

1148
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: I don't think they look at that like we looked

1149
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: at it.

1150
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: I think it's the mentality is different with these guys

1151
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: and if they don't wake up, man, a lot more

1152
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: foreigners is going to be coming in.

1153
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: What's happening? Yeah?

1154
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, at a young age age, your Nike bag was impeccable.

1155
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: Speak to the impact you feel at a young age

1156
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: you had on Nike at the time, I think it

1157
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: was huge.

1158
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: I think I was a poster child for Nike at

1159
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: a time when they had you know the likes of

1160
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: Andrea Agacy, guys like Deon Sanders, you know, Scottie Pippen,

1161
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 3: was emerging. Obviously you had Jordan's, you had some some

1162
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: guys that were really represented for the Nike brand. But

1163
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: on the high school level, I feel like I was

1164
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: I was somebody that that helped promote because I wore

1165
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: a different pier of sneakers every game, different Nike sneaker

1166
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: every game. And I was sharp who you wanted though, right, Yeah,

1167
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: just maybe was asking for his shoes after after camps.

1168
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: We was asking for his shoes now for real, for real,

1169
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: just making calls, you know, and they sent boxes to

1170
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: the house. Now Modern Day's got a lifetime Nike deal

1171
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: plus Gator Ray. I had my own agreement with Nike

1172
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: at that time, aside from what I was doing with

1173
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: the high school. And when we went to Nike camp,

1174
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: everybody would fly in, you know, they bring us into

1175
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: a room, you get duffle bag and just load everything up.

1176
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: You go on the semi line, one after the other.

1177
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: Straffa Ganza. Yeah, So they did that with me, and

1178
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: then when we finished with that, they pulled me into

1179
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: another room.

1180
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: We got something. I'm going I'm going to my room.

1181
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: That's not get my bag. They send me.

1182
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: Upstairs exclusive right, and they hit me just don't tell nobody,

1183
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: Just don't say nothing, you know, but we got this

1184
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: for you. Yeah, we'll have somebody delivered to your room

1185
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: so they won't see you. So they play games, they

1186
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: make exception, but you got to pay a price to

1187
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: get that experience. And I tell people like you got

1188
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: to go through hell to become the elite. Everybody wants

1189
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: to go to heaven, but don't nobody want to die.

1190
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: And that's what I see in this generation, a lot

1191
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: of that entitlement, that sense itself entitlement.

1192
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people said you were Lebron.

1193
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: Before Lebron, he was someone who was able to, uh,

1194
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, really live up to the hyphen that exceeded.

1195
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: How do you feel like he's handled because again he

1196
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: was on that after you. How do you think he's

1197
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: handled his journey up to this point.

1198
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: I think he's done great. I'm sure he's probably learned

1199
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: some stuff from mine too, you know what I mean,

1200
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: low key, Whether he admits it or not, I'm sure

1201
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: he is familiar. He probably heard about the story.

1202
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1203
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: He had a guy in his corner, Rich Paul, which helped,

1204
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: which helped him a lot along the way. And I

1205
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: believe a family that adopted in high school. That that

1206
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: helped him also, that nobody talks about. But I've done

1207
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: my research. So I'm happy for him because he's been

1208
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 3: able to stay clean, he's been a family man business wise.

1209
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he's far exceeded expectation. On the basketball court.

1210
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: I think he's exceeded expectation. But it's not really the

1211
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: lebroner for Lebron, just the one and only man child.

1212
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 3: That's it, Shaecott, That's it. Yeah, that doesn't do anything

1213
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: for me to hear that lebrona for Lebron. He's not

1214
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: doing anything to help my cause. So what good is that?

1215
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: And you're in LA where I made my name, where

1216
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm from, so that all that is weird to me,

1217
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: right Yeah, So for me, it's like the stroke is

1218
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the community

1219
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: right now. You know, where's the support, where's the financial

1220
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: commitment to our mission? You know what I mean, like

1221
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: donations and things like that to our foundation. That's what

1222
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm about. I'm after testimonies with my kids. That's what

1223
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 3: I really want. It's not about the money, it's about legacy.

1224
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: I want people to talk about me and how I

1225
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 3: help them become somebody in this world, and the time

1226
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: that we spend, that's what I'm after. The testimony is

1227
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: more important because you can't buy that.

1228
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: One of your dad's final words in the doc was,

1229
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: it will only be fitting, and I'm paraphrasing it'll only

1230
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: be fitting. You were the one that's going to deliver

1231
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: the next great player out of California. When you saw that,

1232
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: what that mean to you? It's heavy, man. I think

1233
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: about that every day. You'll say, well, I'm still looking,

1234
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm still searching. He I got a young pupp you know,

1235
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: he's in training. He's like a Cane Corso puppy right now.

1236
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: But we get him together, get him up to speed.

1237
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a problem. He Apollo Creed's bloodline, you know,

1238
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: Carl Wellers, the real Yeah. So you just never know.

1239
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1240
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: You throw enough ship against the wall, some of it

1241
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: is gonna stick. And that's my mentality with all this.

1242
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: But in this era it's a little bit more challenged

1243
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: because some people feel like I'm outdated, But in my

1244
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: head I'm spot on because the game is still the

1245
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: same and the stuff that I teach the player, I

1246
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: know it works.

1247
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: Because I did it right time if the knowledge is time.

1248
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, and they look at it as oh, if

1249
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: you don't have a facility in the fancy equipment and

1250
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: a big name guy behind you, and there's no value there, right,

1251
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: that's this error.

1252
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Everybody could have that and still not make it right.

1253
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Who is Shake Cotton outside of basketball.

1254
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: Man, a lawyal servant, Uh, somebody that had taken short off,

1255
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: you know, shut off the back for you, that's gonna

1256
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 3: do whatever you gotta do to help make the community better,

1257
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: to to rise up the youth and teach them how

1258
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: to do it the right way. Somebody that's gonna continue

1259
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 3: to set the bar in his own way. You know.

1260
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: I'm a do it or die. That's my mentality. And

1261
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, it's about legacy for me.

1262
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: Now that's what I'm chasing them testimonies. It's not about

1263
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: this is great. But I've been in darkness for a

1264
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: long time, so the cameras don't really do nothing for

1265
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: me either. I know, there's a time for everything, you know,

1266
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: and this has to happen because people need to know

1267
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: that I got here and it took a price to

1268
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: get here, you know, and take a major price and

1269
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: if you're willing to pay it, then you're gonna be

1270
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: successful in life.

1271
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: Everybody's not gonna play basketball. Some people are lawyers, doctors, whatever.

1272
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: But whatever you do, you have to focus on your process.

1273
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: You know, there's no I tell people all the time,

1274
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: there's no elevator to success.

1275
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: You got to take the stairs.

1276
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Speak to your program that you're working with the youth

1277
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: right now and what you guys do in the community.

1278
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: The foundation nonprofit five Want to See three. It's called

1279
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: Academy of Ideas. We basically service the La Greater La

1280
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: County area, with the epicenter being Long Beach. We partner

1281
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: with the LBUSD Lunger Unified School District this year and

1282
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: we have a program running right now. Currently, I'm wearing

1283
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: a T shirt the clinic. It's every Monday and Friday.

1284
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: We actually have a session to night. It runs for

1285
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: about an hour and a half. We do an hour

1286
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: basketball and thirty minutes of mental health. So it's powerful

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Speaker 3: because I give the kids a voice. I created this

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Speaker 3: thing called a Circle of Trust and we put shares

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Speaker 3: in a circle around the half court and everybody sits

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Speaker 3: there and I sit right in the middle of them,

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Speaker 3: and they get to write one question and it remains anonymous.

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Speaker 3: We put it in a barrel and I shake it

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Speaker 3: up and we go through them one at a time

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Speaker 3: and remain anonymous. And we just dig into a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff. When I talk about life not just sport,

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Speaker 3: how you dealing with academics, you know, what its home

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Speaker 3: life look like? What are some of the peer pressures

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Speaker 3: you're dealing with. I mean, we're just piling layers back

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Speaker 3: a little by little, so the parents seem to love

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Speaker 3: it and the kids seem to become more well rounded.

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Speaker 3: So we're excited. We're just building.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful make sure we get all that information because we

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Speaker 1: want to make a donation on the half of all

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Speaker 1: the smoke absolutely to your commitment and your movement.

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Speaker 2: And if you need us, we're there. Let us not.

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Speaker 3: So you talk about the doctor and what you do

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Speaker 3: with the doc to research with the doctor. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: we uh, we're looking we're looking at doing some things

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Speaker 3: with the documentary man. At this point, we're still in

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Speaker 3: a contract with the ten ninety one Media out of

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Speaker 3: New York City, so that's going to be finishing up

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Speaker 3: pretty soon.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're looking to get get it, wrap it

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Speaker 2: up and get.

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Speaker 3: It out, you know, on a large level, because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people that don't know about me. That

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Speaker 3: hasn't really hurt the story because of lack of marketing

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Speaker 3: because were released during COVID, so that kind of had

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Speaker 3: hurt a lot of our push because everything's shut down.

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Speaker 3: But I think the timing now couldn't be better, you know,

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Speaker 3: with the work being done. So the film is one engine.

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Speaker 3: Then I got to speaking engagements that I do also,

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Speaker 3: So typically we have a shakecout and experience. I showed

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Speaker 3: the film and then we do a Q and A

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Speaker 3: for about an hour forty five minutes after through, and

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Speaker 3: they could ask any question And it is so powerful

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Speaker 3: because you've got the subject of the film right in

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Speaker 3: front of you and you've already been moved some people

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Speaker 3: moved to tears or anger or whatever, right and they

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Speaker 3: want to voice that. So we tap into that right after.

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Speaker 3: This is powerful, So anybody looking to get that experience,

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Speaker 3: they could tap in with us as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, once you get the free let us know,

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Speaker 1: we definitely line that up. All right, man, We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. You know, we can't say enough about your journey,

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Speaker 1: learning more about your journey and how you came out

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Speaker 1: on the other side. You know, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that have been through the shit you've been through are

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Speaker 1: here no more. And the fact that you are a

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Speaker 1: speaking testament that you know you've been able to make

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Speaker 1: it through the journey and continue to show love and

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Speaker 1: build others up and and poor into that next generation.

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Speaker 1: That really says a lot about your character and the

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Speaker 1: way you were raised.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: So we just want to make sure you know that

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Speaker 1: you loved, respected and appreciated, and you always got a

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Speaker 1: home here.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you all, all right, quick hitters. First thing to

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Speaker 1: come to mind, and let us know m J Kobe.

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Speaker 3: Bron wrinkle, Uh, m J one, Kobe two, Bron three,

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Speaker 3: my missing something, the same ship we say, top five.

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Speaker 2: L A born who who's all time?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Uh, I'm gonna have to go with myself, and

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Speaker 3: I know that I agree with you. Raymond Lewis, I

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Speaker 3: probably say high play Williams, John Hot Play Williams. Uh yeah, No.

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Speaker 2: BD gotta be in there. You gotta be top five.

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Speaker 2: One album you can listen to on repeat. Man, that's

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Speaker 2: a good question.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's either Pocker Beig.

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Speaker 2: I mean I listened to both of them probably equal't

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Speaker 2: going wrong one second. My next question, how did he

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Speaker 2: get the nickname hot plate? That boy could eat? I

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Speaker 2: had to how do you get a big name called

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Speaker 2: hot So he was a big boy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was slimming high school and he put

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Speaker 3: on some weight because his buddy died in the boat. Actually,

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Speaker 3: and he went to a depression and you know something

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Speaker 3: we eat for comfort. Yeah, and that's what he started

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Speaker 3: to gain weight.

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Speaker 2: Play. Yeah, he's still nice. Play.

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Speaker 3: He was a bucket best basketball shoe all time. Not

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Speaker 3: feelm show shoot shoot Jordan five?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Or the hirachi that the mission. Yeah, they came around. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were doing they redoing the hirachis too nice.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Five dinner guests? You plus five people did? Are a lot?

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Speaker 2: Was at your table? Wow? Profound? I'd have to say

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Speaker 2: Jim Rong my dad. I would probably like to meet

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Speaker 2: Mahatma Gandhi h Man. That's you got some goings. Let

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Speaker 2: me see.

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Speaker 3: Uh doctor milesman Row probably zig Zigglarig Yeah, big. The

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Speaker 3: first time here is yeah, the first time here.

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Speaker 2: A couple of people.

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Speaker 3: If you can have if you can see somebody on

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Speaker 3: our show, who would it be? But you have to

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Speaker 3: help us get them on the show. Oh, somebody hasn't

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Speaker 3: been on the show. Whatever you want to see on

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Speaker 3: the show, you have to help us get them on

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 2: Though, on the show how it feels? Yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know that's my got Yeah. I like that. That's

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Speaker 2: a good call too, Shade Cotton.

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Speaker 1: You can catch this on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, and the

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Speaker 1: iHeart platform Black Effects.

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Speaker 2: See y'all next week.