1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available training competition. Here are 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble and Nick Shook. We 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: welcome you into Bria the Dog Bowl. A few days 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: off for the b p A today, back at it 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: as the Browns returned to the practice field fresh off 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: of team went over the Indianapolis Colts on Saturday in Indie. Uh. 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: It culminated five days of fun and frivolity for everyone, 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: including the three of us. I'm Gibbs, He's Nick Shook, 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: He's Andrew Gribble, and this is the best podcast available. Gentlemen, 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Good to see you all back. Everybody. Enjoy a day 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: yesterday or a few hours yesterday off? I like being home. 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Being home is a positive. A few hours for volity. 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: What did you go read Webster's Dictionary yesterday? No? I 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: did not. I spent half the day driving home from Indianapolis. 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: Was on tape? It might have been, it might have been. Yeah. 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: All right, Brown's back on the practice field in preparation 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: for the quote dress rehearsal game on Friday night. And 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: quick takeaway from each one of you as they returned 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: to the practice field today for some of these starters. 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: They haven't really done anything since Thursday, So yeah, I 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: would say the most important thing I saw practice today 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: was Denzel Ward participating in team drills. It's been a 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and I think that that means he's 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: closer to getting on the field. Whether or not that 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: means he's gonna play Friday or at all this preseason, 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: which he has not yet remains me seen. I don't 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: need to see him out there. I think I'm fine 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: wait until week one to get Donzel Ward out there. 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: But he got He got a lot of work out 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: there today and it was it was a big difference 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: from what we've seen. Really he's been limited in some 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: capacity since it being a training camp, so that that's 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: a positive. And when he's out there, it looks like 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: Terrence Mitchell still out there with the ones, So it's 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: that's that's where that competition out of his app because 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: really we've been seeing a lot of Terrence Williams and 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Terrence Mitchell and Greedy Williams out there together. Uh now 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: it looks like Greedy is still kind of the backup 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: to Denzel Ward out there, which he's good for his development, 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: not good for a media playing time. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: combining the two and make him Terrence, We'll just roll 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: with that. I'm gonna go the other side of the 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: offensive of the ball and go with the offense. UM. 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt has been on a steady um progression of 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: the amount of work he's gonna get in in practice. Um. 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: We saw him get his you know, ten to fifteen 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: reps in the preseason game, and he seemed to get 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: more reps than that today. And he was very impressive 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: pretty much the entire time anytime he touched the football, 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: except for maybe one or two runs that were stopped inside. Uh, 51 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: he made a play. I mean there, he slashed through 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the open holes, got out in space where he could 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: probably rip off a big run. Did the same thing 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: in the passing game, catching wheel routes out of the backfield. 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Just looked very fluid, very natural, And it's just it's 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: just like it wasn't in really in mini camp, which 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: is just you can see glimpses of how good he 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: could be in a game for this team. And yeah, 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: it's a bummer that we're not going to see him 60 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: until after the first eight games are played. But it's 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: still really exciting to see him play on the field. Yeah, 62 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: no question. Speaking of guys returning to the football field, Uh, 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: we got to see Set the valve back and devolved 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: taking some first team reps at tight end today. They 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: really don't have any other options either right now. And 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: then Ratley. The return to Ratley and the big question 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: can he make up all of the lost time that 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: he has missed in this wide receiver race? Uh, But 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: two guys to definitely watch, uh Set Evolve. You know, 70 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: he got hurt and missed a lot of time again, 71 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: and I would almost say lucky for him, everybody else 72 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: in that room is is dinged up as well and 73 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of helped him out here in terms of 74 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: not having to make up as much. Yeah, And from 75 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: what I saw with Ratley today, if he keeps having 76 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: practices like the one he did today, he's gonna be 77 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: just fine. He there's a reason why I think that 78 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: we were excited about him coming into this season. You 79 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: saw in the field that he just moves in a 80 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: way that that shows he has kind of the natural 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: talent and speed that this front office coveted. So I 82 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: think he the thing for him. He's gotta stay healthy, 83 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: and if I think if he stays healthy, makes the 84 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: plays where they're able to be made, I think he's 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of opportunities in these next two 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: preseason games. I think he's even as good as these 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: wide receivers have been. I think he's in okay shape 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: to still be a contender to make the fifty three 89 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: man roster because he also has experienced on special teams. 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: Uh And I just liked a lot what I saw 91 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: from him today. He was moving really well. And remember 92 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: first practice when he heard his hamstring, he got a 93 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: touchdown two. So he was out there making place today. Yeah, 94 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting to watch in these final 95 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks how this receiving core shakes out, 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: because you know, we've seen different guys step up and 97 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: make plays. You've seen the Jalen Strong Sou's had. You know, 98 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: he's had two plus weeks of of good camp. Now 99 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: you had Derek Willias, who started a camp off. Strong 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: had a touchdown reception on Saturday. And you've even seen 101 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: guys like d J. Montgomery who led the team in 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: receiving on Saturday with just three catches on four targets. 103 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: So you know, adding him Damion Ratley into the mix, 104 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: it just makes it more complicated and uh and definitely 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: more interesting to watch in these final two weeks as 106 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: we kind of figure out, you know, because a lot 107 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: of those guys might not play, you know. Obviously we 108 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: haven't seen Jarvison Ondel so far, and I don't know 109 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: if we're going to see them. I would not be 110 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: surprised if the rest of these guys got more playing 111 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: time because we have to figure this position group out. 112 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: So it's definitely a reason to watch. Uh. Two other 113 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: guys today, uh that we saw in some positions in 114 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: in maybe a little position battle, Kendall Lamb, Drew Forbes 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: getting some right guard snaps today. Uh as as our 116 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: lineman aficionado, uh Mr Shook thoughts Forbes continues to get 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a little more playing time, but now we're seeing kinda 118 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: Lamb maybe being thrust into that role as well. Yeah, 119 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: I think that it was more of a what do 120 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: you know? I mean, we saw a rapid fire rotation 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: at basically every offensive line position with with the ones 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the ones quote unquote, because you have your skills who 123 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: were mostly the ones out there. You have Baker Mayfield 124 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: back there, which would designate the group as the ones. 125 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: But on one play you had Drew Forbes at right 126 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: guard and you had Eric Kush playing center, and then 127 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: on the next play you had uh you had Austin 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Corbett right Guardener Cush playing center, in Forbes at left guard, 129 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: and then and there was another players Forbes and the 130 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: rest of the starting offensive line. You talked about Kendall 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: Lamb as well. So, I mean, Drew continues to look 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: better and better, um, more comfortable. But we're not talking 133 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: leaps and bounds. He's not a Pro Bowl or anything yet, um, 134 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: but he is getting more comfortable. Freddy talked about it, 135 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, last week a few times how he's just 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: kind of stacked days and gotten better even within a practice, 137 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: gotten better, and you can tell he's just he just 138 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: looks more comfortable. He's got his head on on the swivel, 139 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, in the past protection, he's looking around, he's 140 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: ready to hit somebody. And obviously his his skill set 141 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: is more uh inclined for him to succeed in the 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: run game, So you know, it's natural for him. I 143 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: think over time we'll see it that it's a very 144 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: natural fit. But man, rapid fire I mean a lot 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: of different guys getting a lot of tests, I mean 146 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: one play after another within a series to really just 147 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: test you, Hey, do you know your responsibilities at every position? 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: Can we trust you to be able to play guard 149 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: and center or guard and tackle because they might need to. 150 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: You can only carry seven linemen, so that might be 151 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: a necessity with this group, especially with the fluidity of 152 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: the starting right guard position up to this point. So 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: uh interesting, definitely an interesting approach. Part of me wonders 154 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: if the include the addition of Lamb and Forbes. Obviously 155 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: Forbes has come on strong these this last week, but 156 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: is this to kind of keep the pressure on Kush 157 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: Because if you're going based on what's happened in these games, 158 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: Austin Corbett is almost essentially just played center in these 159 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: first couple of preseason games, so and then Chalis is out. 160 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: So are they trying to remove the complacency that they 161 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: don't want to set in that this guy has been 162 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: the starting right guard for both games and one guy's 163 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: hurting the other guy hasn't played right garden. Well, I mean, 164 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: that's that's so. I think that might be part of 165 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: why you're seeing Kendall lamb at right guard because I'll 166 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: side of what we've seen, he's been mostly a tackle 167 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: his entire career. Yeah, I don't know if he has 168 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: a ton of experience. Now Forbes has a future of 169 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: that position, and he might be some legitimate competition to 170 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Uh. But part of me this 171 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: wonders if this is just to keep the fire burning 172 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: with Cush who all indications are. I mean, if you 173 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: had to pick someone that's gonna start Week one, it's 174 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: probably gonna be him. I mean, yeah, I totally agree 175 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: with that, because I think the mental test is almost 176 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: as important as being able to stack up physically. Let's 177 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: face it, football is a very trying game mentally. I mean, 178 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna push you two limits that you did not 179 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: know you could even reach, let alone exceed, and no 180 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: more than playing an interior offensive line position. And especially 181 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: for some young guys. You know, Coush is not a 182 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: young guy, has got some years and hers belt. But 183 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, especially for these players who are battling and 184 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: they need to be tested. And if that's got to 185 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: be a mental test from your coach, and you gotta 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: sit back and wonder, what do they want? What am 187 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: I doing wrong or whatever it is. Cush actually kind 188 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: of talked about that the last time he spoke to 189 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: the media, which was early in his career. He used 190 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: to worry every day, what's coach going to say? What 191 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: am I doing wrong? And then at one point he said, 192 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: I just sat back and went, screw it. Well, I 193 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: might as well just go out there and play as 194 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: well as I can have fun and stop stressing. So 195 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: you kind of create, manufacture some of those mental tests 196 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: for these guys and see how they respond, because that 197 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: can help separate. You know, it's not just physical makeup, 198 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: it's also a mental makeup. A couple other news and 199 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: notes from the day Antonio Callaway out of the boot, Uh, Whitehead, 200 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Carrie Callaway, Burriss Talkie Talkie, and Hilliard on the tour 201 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: day Barria. Um. And can they all continue to rehab 202 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: various injuries? Uh, depending on what they are. I'm hoping 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: that we're closer to seeing t J carry back sooner 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: rather than later. Uh. Whitehead got a little dinged up 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: last week in Indianapolis, and obviously you're you're hoping Hilliard 206 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: can can get back sooner rather than later as well. Hilliards, though, 207 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: another guy. I don't need to see it anymore the 208 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: rest of the preseason, even though he struggled in that 209 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: first game, I'm I'm fine just because I think he's 210 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: playing the scale position. We know he's gonna make the team. 211 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna have an important role in this team. Just 212 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: get him back healthy for that for that season season 213 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: one opening. I think it is interesting when it does 214 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: the kick returner in part returner position though, because he 215 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: was getting reps there and now he's not, and you 216 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: see a guy like Deernest Johnson going and taking those 217 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: reps and really taking advantage of this opportunity with you know, 218 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: the game on Saturday and the performance that he had, 219 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and also just the way he's been in practice for 220 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: the last few days starting to open some eyes. So 221 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: but I would agree, I think Hilliard is on this team. 222 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily need to see him again, but just 223 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: for the sake of competition, would be nice to have. 224 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: But I I think if if you're making the fifty 225 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: three now, I don't know how Dearnest Johnson isn't on 226 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: the team right now because of that ability on part 227 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: returning kick return Because I don't know if if Hilliard 228 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: is going to be as big of a part of 229 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: this offense we think he is. I don't know if 230 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: you necessarily want him on kicking part return every single time. 231 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: So I mean that that be, that's something that dearest 232 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: Johnson has added to his skill set. And I mean, 233 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: who else are you going to take outside those two 234 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: running backs? You can't have Cream Hunt for the first 235 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: day weeks. I mean, who are the other who are 236 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: the other contenders? I mean, I think you're probably gonna 237 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: have to have at least three guys at that position. 238 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: So I think dear Johnson's in a great position. Uh 239 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: and if he keeps it up, I think he's he's 240 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: in a great spot to make this team well. And 241 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: that's what I met Callaway on the on the kickoff 242 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and punt retards. I mean that's you're without a lot 243 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: of guys, a lot of options, and young man making 244 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the most of his opportunity. And right now it might 245 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: be your opening kickoff return the season might be Hilliard 246 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: and Johnson like get back there. I mean, I don't 247 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: know who else who else you're putting back there? And 248 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm okay with those guys. But when 249 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: you look at the part in turn situation with Callaway 250 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: being out, We've got you know, Uh, Johnson's one of 251 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: the guys working back there. You see, Damne, he just 252 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: had me back there as well. You've even got Jarvis 253 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Landry back there taking reps because you never know when 254 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: you might wanted to ploy him or need to put 255 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: him back there. So Uh, not the best situation, but 256 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: mostly because of guys who are just unavail. Just to 257 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: give me someone that can catch the ball and hold 258 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: onto it. We'll talk more about this when we play 259 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: some sound bites from Freddie Kitchens a little bit later 260 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: on in the actual podcast. Uh, the battle for Kicker continues, 261 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and we'll recap Saturday again on the podcast, but today 262 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: little kicking battle. Uh, both guys with some makes, both 263 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: guys with some missus, uh, including Seabird at the at 264 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: the end at the end of practice in eleven on 265 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: eleven is with a with a tough miss to the left. 266 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: And it's what you missed the one on Saturday too. Yeah, 267 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: gotta start it's it is becoming a glaring problem by 268 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: the day. But Freddie Kitchens has said, we're not gonna 269 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: bring in anybody else. We need to get these guys better, 270 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: and there's something to be said for those guys getting 271 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: themselves better at this point in training. Well, and this 272 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: was brought up, I mean, this is at this point 273 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: in camp, it's kind of hard to find someone to 274 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: bring in. Sure, there's currently sixty four kickers employed. Unless 275 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: there's a team that only has one right now, I 276 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: don't think there are many though. Even the colt said 277 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: a kicker sure, So that wasn't Adam Dancieri. So there 278 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: there's You're gonna have a lot more options come after 279 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: cut day than you do right now. So might just 280 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: be a fruitless exercise to bring someone else in. It's 281 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: not like you're gonna if there was a good kicker 282 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: out there, they'd be employed by someone right now. There 283 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: that that's the best point, in the most important point 284 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: of this. But this is also a situation where if 285 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: you do bring that guy in, that's how you end 286 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: up with a guy like Billy Hundiff, for example, like 287 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: this team has done in the past. Um, I'm no 288 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: kicking expert, but the weird thing about Austin Cybert and 289 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: the kicks that he's attempted in practice, it seems the 290 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: further back they go, the more comfortable he is. He 291 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: his longest today was from fifty five. Great Joseph's longest 292 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: was from forty six. Austin missed that attempt from forty six, 293 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, and and that was it looked like 294 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: he put more into the fifty five yard And it's 295 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: almost like he's more accurate when he really drills the 296 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: ball as opposed to maybe he's just in his Maybe 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: he's in his own head a little bit and is 298 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: trying to groove it more than just hit it like 299 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: he normally hits it. I don't know, Like I said, 300 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: not a kicking expert, I'm sure some of it has 301 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: to be mental. Um. I mean, you can think about 302 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: the pressure of of you know, being drafted everything else 303 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: and being in a kicking competition. It's it's gonna there's 304 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: gonna be some mental challenges just you know, like every 305 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: other position, you gotta be able to be mentally strong. 306 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: So it's a test of him for sure, but something 307 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: we have to continue to monitor. All right. That's what 308 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: happened today out in Barria Brown's training camp. A little 309 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: bit more after practice from Freddie Kitchens guys and his 310 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: first clip. The first question he was asked, and this 311 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: is coming off of a Saturday that we did not 312 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: see too many starters play the game of football in 313 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: preseason game number two, and this one on what his 314 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: philosophy is in terms of playing the starters in game 315 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: three and how much I don't think, Um, it'sn't necessarily 316 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: have to play guys in a certain amount. I just 317 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: think that's what everybody else did, and people like to just, um, 318 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe not go off of what they feel 319 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: and think and go off of what everybody else does. Um. 320 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's like we do a lot of things, right, 321 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: That's where you're h So you know, we're just gonna 322 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: go with what we feel, you know, all right, So 323 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: that's Freddie Kitchens not conventional, I guess would be the 324 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: way to go about it. Whatever the Norman you may 325 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: just want to start throwing it out the window when 326 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: it comes to Freddie and his stuff, Right, Freddie's gonna 327 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: do it the way he wants to do it. And 328 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean necessarily that the Browns are not going 329 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: to play starters on Freddie. It just it just means 330 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: we have no idea. I mean, it just means that 331 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: we're not you know, he's not coming out and saying 332 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: that they need to go do a full half. And 333 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: the thing that I've always heard coaches here say is, 334 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: you know multiple coaches, is they like to go into 335 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: the locker room and see how the guys that make 336 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: those halftime adjustments, Like that's a key thing. But that's 337 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: been said around here with teams that were a lot 338 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: younger and a more in experience than this current group. 339 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: So I think what he's got a pretty good pulse 340 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: of the team right now, and I think he's just 341 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever he thinks needs to be done. I 342 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: I thought, going back to Saturday, the comments he made 343 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: that were the most interesting me after the game was 344 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: about how he had to play some guys on Saturday defensively, 345 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: that he may not have one play to begin with, 346 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: so as many guys as they rested on Saturday, he 347 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: actually wanted to rest more of those guys, but he 348 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: just didn't have the numbers to do it. You know, 349 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: this is I think the Browns have a bit of 350 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: a rare luxury here that has definitely not been enjoyed 351 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: in a long time. And even though they've they've as 352 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: far as it, they've only gone as far as winning 353 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: seven games with this current core group, Um, they are 354 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: familiar with each other. And I think a lot of 355 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: that familiarity that you need with a new head coach 356 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: is established in situations like that ahead of the regular season, 357 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: because the first time you can really get a true 358 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: test with your starters in the most game like scenario. 359 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: So that's why you use week three for that, and 360 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: then you put everybody on nice in week four. Right. 361 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: I remember the days of when we would look back 362 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: to you'd be excited for a Week four because you 363 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: got to see Charlie Fry start. So had some game 364 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: four moments, This is what I'm saying. And we've had 365 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: people pushing for to see guys in game four, like 366 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: media members being like, this guy's gotta get more work, like, 367 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: and we're not in that position, right And and this 368 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: is why it's a rare luxury is you don't have 369 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: to test those guys. You don't necessarily have to do that. Yeah, 370 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: Sodella is new here, but you know what Odell is 371 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: gonna bring to the table. We've seen it enough in 372 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: practice in the in the amount of time that he's played. 373 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't we don't need to see that. 374 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: On the we don't need to see drivers on the field. 375 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: We don't need to see a lot of those guys 376 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: who you know will bring it on Sunday on the field. 377 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: You need to see the guys on the bottom half, 378 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: and really the bottom third of your roster, prove that 379 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: they are worthy of a spot and that they can 380 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: contribute in the areas that you need because you're not 381 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: to make some tough decisions. You know, we don't have 382 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: a cut down to seventy five anymore. We have a 383 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: fifty three, and that means nearly half of your team 384 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: is going to lose their jobs in one swift move 385 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: in the afternoon. So these are important, but it's more 386 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: important for those guys than for the stars. And it's 387 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: it's a bummer for the fans because we want to 388 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: see our favorite players play. You're gonna get to see 389 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: that in two weeks, and you want to see them 390 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: healthy and as prepared physically as they could possibly be. 391 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: And here's an interesting thing. Freddie said it was not 392 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: the conventional way of doing things, or maybe or he 393 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: was he didn't feel the sat to be the conventional. 394 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: But something little I've noticed is that if you're counting 395 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: the Browns as a team that might be resting more 396 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: guys than is conventional. There's a couple other coaches out 397 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: there that are doing this as well, and they're both 398 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: younger and newer coaches. Sean McVeigh with the Rams. I 399 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: was after Saturday's game. I was watching on TV. Blake 400 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: Bortles is starting a quarterback for the rams h and 401 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: another one that's that's sitting a lot of guys, Matt 402 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: Maggy with the Bears. Maybe this is the new way 403 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: of doing things, and maybe this becomes the new convention 404 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: instead of the older way. I mean this, These are 405 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: younger coaches that are doing this. I don't mind being 406 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: a trend setter. No, it's been a long time since 407 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: you can say that, Look what are those guys. First off, 408 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: those guys are all from very similar schools of thought. 409 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: And also they are all coaches of three teams with expectations. 410 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: There is no point in risking when you know you 411 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: have that part of your roster set, no point in 412 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: risking it. I still think there is something in me, 413 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, that says give him a few reps. And 414 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: I totally understood Saturday, because you've got a ton of 415 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: work in Wednesday, they got they got a lot of working. 416 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: I totally understood understand that. But Friday against Tampa Bay, 417 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that work in advance. You're gonna 418 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: get to work in, but it's gonna be against your 419 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: own team. I would I would agree with that more 420 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: if Freddie wasn't running this camp the way they were 421 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: running it. By the way, did you notice today no 422 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: tackling to the ground. They were at to stay up 423 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and scout team for the first time. Yes, I got 424 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: to see Damon Chehyjseppe Uh dressed as Uh I think 425 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: it was Chris Godwin, and then a j. O Lett 426 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: dressed as Mike Evans. A j o Lett almost a 427 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: foot shorter than Mike Evans. So that would would that 428 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: tell you? So? I don't know what that tells you. 429 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: Is that tell you that this team is getting more 430 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: into regular season mode or that they're actually really game 431 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: planning for this game? And then you do play more guys, 432 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's play your guys more. I mean, so, 433 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to get pinned in one way or 434 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: the other with this, because he really hasn't revealed anything 435 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: on what he's gonna do it has not been revealed 436 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: in game one and game two until it's time to 437 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: play a game one game too. I think that's something 438 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: that will probably learn based on how they prepare in 439 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: the next couple of days, or it could be just 440 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: a week of mock preparation they still don't play. But 441 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: that's why you need to listen to more of the 442 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: best podcast available the next two days right here in a 443 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: a little bit shook. Good job a by you, all right. 444 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens next up on the Kicking Competition, bringing his 445 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: old ball coach Gene Stallings into his story time here 446 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: with the Press today. I mean, when we send a 447 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: field goal team out there, I don't want to send 448 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: a field goal team out there thinking maybe we'll make it, 449 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: you know. I want to know that we will make it, 450 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: you know. Coach Stars, I'll tell you a story. Coach 451 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Stalin's used to tell me all the time. When I 452 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: step up into the pocket and I throw the ball, 453 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: he wants to be able to close his eyes and 454 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: know that's made, that is completed. Um, that's what I want. 455 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: I want to be able to say him out there, 456 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: turn around and go talk to the offense and hear 457 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: about the score. We talked about it earlier in the 458 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: podcasts Joseph and Siebert. They've got a lot of work 459 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: to do, stuff they both do. And I thought it 460 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: was very frustrating on Saturday to see two guys kicking 461 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: indoors missing field goals. Yeah, and it's and he's been 462 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: asked now a couple of times if he's gonna feel 463 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: give any more sympathy because of the distance. And I 464 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: would understand in a world where these guys are making 465 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: all of their kicks for him to say, yeah, I'll 466 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: give him a little bit of a break, but they 467 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: haven't been. These misses have been from shorter distances as well. 468 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Uh So it's it's like he said, when you want 469 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: to send a guy out there, you want to know, 470 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: you want to be confident in doing it. And right now, 471 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's much confidence on either end 472 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: right now. And it's it's I think that's it's a 473 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: source of frustration. And we might find a bit of 474 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: separation when we go to Tampa because Tampa is traditionally 475 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: around this time of year, very wet, and if it 476 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: does rain it all that day or the day before 477 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: or sometime during the game. Uh, it's gonna make the 478 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: conditions a little tougher for these guys and maybe serve 479 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: as a bit of a separation between whichever one's gonna 480 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: end up winning the competition. Yeah, I just think for 481 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: what we've not seen from them, we've seen from the punters. 482 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, both of them are Scottish Hammer with 483 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: the seventy four yard boot. But then you know, Britain 484 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Colquit just drop on a dime right inside, you know, 485 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: inside the tent, inside the five yard line, right in 486 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: the corner. I mean, both guys just you almost wonder, 487 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we should try Scottish Hammer kicking field goals. 488 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that would work. Uh, you know 489 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: Britain co Quit made a fifty two yard in high school. 490 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: He also had a game winner against Science Hill, And 491 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to wasn't even Science Hill. Look it up. 492 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: Is that an academy? Yeah, it's around Knoxville. I don't 493 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't have anything, can do anything. 494 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to keep harping on the kickers, 495 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: but they got to be better. And we've seen moments 496 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: from both of them where you're like I could see 497 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: this guy being our kicker come opening day and be 498 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: confident in it. But then there are moments where you're 499 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: just like, come on, someone take the lead in this. 500 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: It's also a very difficult position because you're judged on 501 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: a very small sample size. And it's like we talked 502 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: with Phil Austin recently and he said when he missed 503 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: that when he first initially had that kick, they actually 504 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: sent the Browns over time against the Ravens and I 505 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: believe thousand seven uh, he thought he missed it, and 506 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: he said he'd been over and grabbed his knees and 507 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: felt basically his heart stop because he thought he was 508 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: out of a job. That was a guy who was 509 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: eight years into kicking for the Browns consistently thought he 510 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: had missed two back to back game winners or game 511 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: tires at the end of games and thought because of 512 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: that he was out of a job. That's the nature 513 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: of this position, and that's why it's so hard. So 514 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, you do empathize with these guys for for 515 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: the struggles that they've encountered, but listen, nobody, nobody waits 516 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: around this league. And because of that real field goal 517 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: that Austin Cybert missed in the game on Friday. Had 518 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: there been a real game, Colts go down, They're going 519 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: to kick a field goal instead of going for them 520 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: fourth and one there, and all of a sudden, you've 521 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: got a game that's an overtime instead of a game 522 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: that you've won. So that's that's just another another Yeah. 523 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: Also famous alum, most famous alum of Science Hill High School, 524 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: Steve Spurger, Legend Science Hill, Visor Hill. Not too shabby. 525 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: All right, before we get out of here, I did 526 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: want to get a quick takeaway from me which one 527 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: of you. Saturday's game it was, we won. It was 528 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: a little ugly, especially into the fourth quarter, but there 529 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: were some guys that stood out, some good performances from 530 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: a couple of players, uh in that in that game 531 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: on Saturday, Yeah, I was with Freddie. Was a tough watch. 532 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was tough on both sides. 533 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: Both sides were just absolutely sloppy. Um. I do think 534 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: the refs called that game a little tight, which is 535 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: which is which is a theme of the preseason. You're 536 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: gonna have that. So it was a tough watch. The 537 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: overreaction from week one to week two. Yeah, And but 538 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: I do think that Dernis Johnson was the one that 539 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: stood out to me the most because he looked like 540 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: he looked like a fine NFL running back. I think 541 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: he looked like someone that you could put on your 542 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster and and be all right if 543 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: he was needed in a pinch, needed on special teams. 544 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: He's someone that we none of us really knew much 545 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: about at all a few months ago, and now I 546 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: think he's in a good spot and someone you're you're 547 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: fine with being your number three on the back until 548 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: Creamhunt comes back. My game ball goes to his fellow 549 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: former Alliance of American Football teammate Gary Gilbert. He was stellar, 550 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think he People have been asking, 551 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, who is the number two quarterback? And it's 552 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: true Stanton in part because of his veteran leadership and 553 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: everything that he brings to the table in that department. 554 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: And also, I think Freddie talked about today, he's what 555 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: ten and four in his last fourteen appearances or something 556 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: like that. Um, But Garrett Gilbert is talented and and 557 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: his natural talent is really starting to show with the 558 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: added work he's gotten both playing in the Alliance before 559 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: it folded and then playing with the Browns from the 560 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: beginning of you know O t a s all the 561 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: way through. Um, it's really starting to show. It showed 562 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: a lot in that game. Um, he did not have 563 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: a problem completing passes. He was good under pressure, he 564 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: adjusted well. He had a really solid first half. And 565 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: I think the Browns have two very reliable options behind 566 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield if it ever gets to that point. God forbid, 567 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: God forbid. All right, gentlemen, we will be back with 568 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Uh as we recap two more days left 569 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: to the public, I have one more game ball dribble 570 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: for his quick googly of Science Hill. I knew it 571 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: was more of a fact check because I always knew 572 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Science Hill Spurrier. I didn't know if he was for sure, 573 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: but he's a legend there Johnson City Test. By the way, 574 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: we should all get game balls Yeoman's efforts last week. Gentlemen. 575 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: It was the conditions not exactly ideal, and the situation 576 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: not ideal, but a job well done by you guys. 577 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: A week of joint practice. Can you can make training 578 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: camp feel like a long long time? The Patriots did 579 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: two of these. I thought they had another one coming up. 580 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: Don't they I'm not aware that's miserable. Belichick likes him. 581 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: I would also like to give a shout out to 582 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the local chicken near Westfield, Indiana's Grand Park UH named 583 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: Andrew Cluck. He gave us a visit inside the media 584 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: Overflow Room and otherwise known as the garage. Took a 585 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: dangerous leap. We're hoping that he made it safely, but 586 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: it was have been a sheet either way. There was 587 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: a chicken running around a major clock. I mean, come on, 588 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: that's great, not too shabby at all. All right, you 589 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: can get this podcast and all of our training camp 590 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: podcast by logging on to Cleveland Browns dot com or 591 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. For Andrew Gribble, for Nick Shook, 592 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: Im Jason Gibbs, this has been the best podcast available