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Speaker 1: Welcome to steph you missed in history class from works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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Speaker 1: Try and I'm trade Pob Wilson. And it hasn't actually

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Speaker 1: happened as when we are recording, but by the time

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Speaker 1: this episode comes out, we will have recently passed the

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Speaker 1: birthday and a very important French artist and we do

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Speaker 1: when we have to record like an extra three week

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Speaker 1: buffer of episodes ahead of time. Yeah, time travel, time travel,

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Speaker 1: which is fine. I kind of wish I had thought

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Speaker 1: to do it sooner in the year so we could

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Speaker 1: a large part of her appeal as a portrait artist

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Speaker 1: was her ability to paint incredibly flattering likenesses. She brought

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Speaker 1: a lightness to her depictions that gives them great life,

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Speaker 1: and she actually made a good living with her art.

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Speaker 1: Although she always had aspirations of working on sort of

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Speaker 1: grand historical art, she was kept very, very busy by

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Speaker 1: a steady list of commissions, starting when she was merely

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Speaker 1: a teenager and lasting throughout her life. Her works which

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Speaker 1: captured the likenesses of many royals and nobles of her

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Speaker 1: time are seen literally throughout the world. So if you

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Speaker 1: google Marie Antoinette, you will undoubtedly see several portraits painted

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Speaker 1: by the subject of today's podcast, Elizabeth Louise Holly is

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Speaker 1: going to say that more beautifully than me consistently throughout

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Speaker 1: this entire episode. No, I'm sure I'm clunking it up

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Speaker 1: in my own magical way. So. Elizabeth Louise Vijay was

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Speaker 1: born in Paris on April sixteen, seventeen fifty five. Her father,

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Speaker 1: Louis vj was a successful artist who specialized in pastel portraits.

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Speaker 1: Because of her father's work, the Vjay family was afforded

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Speaker 1: have been a little closed off to them. As a consequence,

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Speaker 1: even as a child, Elizabeth received lessons and encouragement in

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Speaker 1: her artistic pursuits by some of the most popular artists

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Speaker 1: school from the ages of six to eleven, and, as

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Speaker 1: Once she was permanently removed from boarding school, she was

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Speaker 1: a year later, her father became seriously ill and he

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Speaker 1: his last words to Elizabeth and Etienne were be happy

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Speaker 1: though that. She While she was very clear throughout her

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Speaker 1: her um But then over the course of seven years,

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Speaker 1: there was a great deal of heartbreak in vig Lebron's

433
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Speaker 1: life first, in eighteen thirteen, her former husband Jean Baptiste died,

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Speaker 1: and while they had been divorced for some time, the

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Speaker 1: death really did affect her deeply, and she grieved for him.

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Speaker 1: Six years later, in eighteen nineteen, Jean Joe Louise became

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Speaker 1: ill and her health rapidly deteriorated. When she died, Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: was devastated, but just one year later, Elizabeth's brother Etienne

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Speaker 1: also died. To cope with her grief, be Lebron traveled

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Speaker 1: to Bordeaux, a town she wasn't really familiar with. The

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Speaker 1: complete shift of mindset from exclusively mourning to also discovering

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Speaker 1: a new place seems to have really helped the painter

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Speaker 1: get through this difficult time, and she reported that her

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Speaker 1: health improved on the journey, also that her spirit was

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Speaker 1: quote less dark when she returned to Paris, and from

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Speaker 1: that point on, her brother's two daughters, her nieces Madame

447
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: de Riviere and Eugenia le became her dearest relatives and

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Speaker 1: closest friends. In eighteen thirty five, urged on by her

449
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Speaker 1: friend Princess Helene Delguruki of Russia, v Lebrium published the

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Speaker 1: first volume of her three volume memoir titled Souvenir dema VI.

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Speaker 1: The next two volumes were published during the following two years,

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Speaker 1: and in the opening of that memoir, when describing her

453
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Speaker 1: natural proclivity towards art, Lebron wrote a passage that really

454
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Speaker 1: beautifully encapsulated her whole life. She wrote, quote, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: these facts to show what an inborn passion for the

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Speaker 1: art I possessed. Nor has that passion ever diminished. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that it has even gone on growing

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Speaker 1: with time. For today I feel under the spell of

459
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Speaker 1: it as much as ever, and shall I hope until

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Speaker 1: the hour of death. Le Brun died in Paris on

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Speaker 1: March forty two, at the age of eighty six, and

462
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Speaker 1: she did really paint right up until the end of

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Speaker 1: her life. Uh In October of last year, so the

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Speaker 1: first monographic exhibition of vision Lebron's work to be mounted

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Speaker 1: in her home country went on display at the Grand

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Speaker 1: Palais in Paris, France. That was also somewhere that she

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Speaker 1: had visited as a child, and that exhibit is now

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Speaker 1: on tour. So if you are lucky, you might be

469
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Speaker 1: in a place where you can see it. It is

470
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Speaker 1: currently at the met in New York until mid May.

471
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Speaker 1: I actually posted one of the portraits that she did

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Speaker 1: in Marie Antoinette and her children. It's the one people

473
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Speaker 1: sometimes wonder about the empty baby bassinet, and it's because

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Speaker 1: they had lost their fourth child, so that is depicted

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Speaker 1: empty because the child is gone. Uh. That will be,

476
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Speaker 1: as I said, in New York until May, and then

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Speaker 1: it moves to the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa

478
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Speaker 1: in June. Uh And you can also check out I

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Speaker 1: think we have a we'll have a link to um

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Speaker 1: the either the METS page or another one that will

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Speaker 1: show the the travel schedule. I'm not sure where it

482
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: goes from there, but it's spectacular. I really She's one

483
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Speaker 1: of those artists that uh, I have often admired throughout

484
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Speaker 1: the years, even before I realized like all of these

485
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: portraits that I was in love with were all her. Yeah,

486
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: it was not a name that I immediately recognized, just

487
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: because on paper, to me, it looks like French soup.

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Speaker 1: So why and I This morning before we recorded, I

489
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Speaker 1: was tracking down all the artwork that we would use

490
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Speaker 1: when we put us on our website, and I had

491
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Speaker 1: just plunged her name into one of the stock image

492
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Speaker 1: sources that we use, and the only thing that it

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Speaker 1: returned was this portrait of Marie an't Whinett, and I

494
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Speaker 1: had this moment where I was like, but that's Marie Antoinette,

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Speaker 1: and then oh, right now I completely recognized, like all

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Speaker 1: this woman's portraits because I've seen a lot of them

497
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: and they have a very uh, there's a look about

498
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Speaker 1: them that you can recognize after you look at them

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Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, Like I mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 1: there's a lightness to them. The way she used light

501
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: in her portraits was very lovely, and she really none

502
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Speaker 1: of her portraits ever have a heavy feel like, even

503
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: when she's using darker tones, they all just have sort

504
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: of a feeling of brightness and uh, just lightness, even

505
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: the sad ones. Incidentally, that that portrait that I had

506
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: just mentioned of Marie Antoinette with her children, which was

507
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: kind of commissioned by the king in an effort to

508
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: portray his wife, you know, as a loving mother in

509
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: the hopes of kind of fixing a little bit of

510
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: her image at the time, is one that mentions in

511
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: her memoirs that the revolution or Marie Antoinette's grief over

512
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: the loss of that baby really saved that piece of

513
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Speaker 1: art from the revolution because it was in the hall

514
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: and Marie Antoinette would have to walk by it on

515
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: her way, I believe, to her dressing room, and she

516
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: finally was like, I can't look at this painting anymore.

517
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: It makes me sad every time I see it and

518
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: it's too upsetting, and so they took it down and

519
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: that's why it was not one of the things that

520
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: was damaged when the palace was ransacked. So sort of

521
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: grief sort of saved that portrait for us. So we're

522
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: lucky in that regard. But yeah, I just her memoirs.

523
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: I highly recommend. They're a pretty fun read. They're very lighthearted.

524
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting because she had this marriage that

525
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: wasn't great. You know, she had had a stepfather she

526
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: was not very fond of. Even when she's talking about

527
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: these deaths that really impacted her, she kind of whips

528
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: by them pretty quickly. She keeps it very light and

529
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of her memoirs are about the fabulous party

530
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: she went to and the fabulous people she met, and

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Speaker 1: sort of she was really into the social scene, and

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00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: to me, it's an interesting juxtaposition because someone that writes

533
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: so much like that, you wouldn't expect to be a

534
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: completely devoted workhorse. But she was basically like working her

535
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: tail off all day long to do all of these

536
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: sittings and paint portraits and keep up with her client list,

537
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: and then at night she was going to fabulous parties

538
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and it was just like this terrific life that she

539
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: had put together for herself that she really seemed to love.

540
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: Like she was like, I designed this life, I'm living it,

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Speaker 1: and I love it, and it's very admirable. And she

542
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't even um tend to focus very much

543
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: on the fact that she was kind of breaking a

544
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: lot of glass ceilings for women artists at the time.

545
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: She's just like, oh, yeah, you know, I was cute,

546
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: so some people who wanted me to paint their picture

547
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: and I was doing some really neat things. Yeah. It's

548
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: very unassuming, even when she's talking about how beautiful she

549
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: was as a young woman, and I just I clearly

550
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: love her. Uh you wanna hear some listener mail and

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00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: stop hearing me fan girl about lebron The fan gurlink

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Speaker 1: finds you. I would love to listener mail, though I

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Speaker 1: have to postcards. I'm trying to keep up with postcards,

554
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: but we get so many, so I apologize. I know

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00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: we always do this, but I apologize for everybody who

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00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't read, because we get lots of good ones.

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Speaker 1: This first one is I believe from Kelsey. It is

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00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: once again one of those things that is victimized by

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Speaker 1: the postal service markings. Uh and it is uh a

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Speaker 1: postcard of Sally Lund's house in Bath, and she will

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Speaker 1: tell us about it in her thing says Hello from

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Speaker 1: an American reader in England. I was lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: visit beautiful historic Bath recently and your podcast made the

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Speaker 1: long bus ride of delight. I had dinner and of

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Speaker 1: course tea at Sally Lund's, the oldest house in Bath,

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Speaker 1: and their basement is a cool museum where you can

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Speaker 1: see the layers of floors over the centuries and the

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Speaker 1: original even Sally used. Thank you so much. This is

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Speaker 1: a really lovely postcard. I'm kind of entranced by all

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00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: of the beautile, beautiful um flowers outside of the house,

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00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: as well as the pictures of what look to be

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00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: beauty full, beautiful pieces of bread. Uh. The other one

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: that we got is from our listeners Sasha and Richard,

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Speaker 1: and they used a really cool service called touch note.

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Speaker 1: Or they're not an advertiser for us, but man, did

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Speaker 1: this make a beautiful postcard? Uh? And she says, my

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: boyfriend and I recently listened to your podcast, The Great

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Speaker 1: Vowel Shift, and we're overjoyed that you got the information

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Speaker 1: about the Celts right. We both studied abroad in Cork, Ireland,

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00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: two springs ago, and our archaeology teacher was very passionate

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00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: about all the misconceptions. The following spring in a history

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Speaker 1: class at my university, I gave a presentation because everything

583
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Speaker 1: about them in our textbook was wrong. I'll try to

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Speaker 1: find the power point. I made an email it to you.

585
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Sasha and Richard. They are

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Speaker 1: from California, but they currently live in Oxford, UK, and

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00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: she sent us a cool um postcard that was created

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Speaker 1: uh and their travels in Ireland of a fairy glade

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00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and it's just lovely. And like I said, this is

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Speaker 1: a cool service. I did not know about touch note,

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna look into it because it made

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00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: a beautiful custom printed postcard where her writing is also

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Speaker 1: printed out, so it's super easy to read, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a little laminate postcard. I love it. I I only

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00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: heard this postcard for the first time just now because,

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Speaker 1: as most of us know, I don't work in the

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Speaker 1: same office as you anymore. Um, but I was making

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Speaker 1: the most delighted face. I was not prepared for how

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00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: many people would be so delighted and thankful that I

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Speaker 1: said that the Celts were not one monolithic culture that

601
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: somehow was like the thing in in Britain before uh,

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: before the Norman invasion. Like multiple people have been like,

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: that's so amazing that you said that. Yeah. Unfortunately it

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00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: it gets shorthanded in a way that really it's not accurate, right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: just as a case in point, the lead image art

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