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Speaker 1: Whose idea was this to be out this?

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Speaker 2: a few episodes ago, where it was also windy. It

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Speaker 2: We're in the moors now. Yeah, I mean, let's get serious.

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Speaker 1: When the helicopter dropped us off here, I was immediately like,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, it's like in your face. It's windy

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Speaker 2: This we got trench foot up in here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is this is not suitable for a podcast, frankly,

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Speaker 1: It's windy like my updo, my very intricate, curly updo

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing one intro for a show. We're not

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Speaker 2: Just what a disaster. This sucks? Yeah, it sucks, And

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Speaker 2: the food is bad, and I mean, are.

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Speaker 1: There cran Is there a cranberry bog around here? At

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Speaker 1: least can we uh right, can we figure someh it out?

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Speaker 2: I mean I relate to you know, Kathy's dad in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, you gotta stay warm and you've

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Speaker 2: Not good? I'm I'm I'm positive I don't know how

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Speaker 1: We are gonna do the brand new film adaptation of

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Speaker 1: Weathering Heights, which is the titled quote Weathering Heights end

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Speaker 1: Quote from twenty twenty six, directed by Emerald Finel.

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Speaker 2: seen I mean, we'll get into this, but I had

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say that it tug at your lover

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get the fuck off of this more and

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're listening to Dear Movies.

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Speaker 3: I Love you, Dear, I love you, and I've got

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a good idea to just cut

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Speaker 1: Millie to Chercho pulls up her sleeve and reveals a tattoo.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Can you describe the tattoo to people?

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Speaker 2: to our film diary, Millie. All right, we simply must.

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Speaker 2: Let's open it up. You have one on there that

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Speaker 2: All right. I saw a movie called We Bury the Dead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

437
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: Then I saw Blue Moon from twenty twenty five, the

438
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: Richard link Letter Ethan Hawk movie, so thoughts, I thought

439
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: it was good. It is kind of like a play.

440
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: It all takes place in one location, and Ethan Hawk

441
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: is wonderful in it. Although I do question this recent

442
00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: trend of casting you know, white, kind of Waspish men

443
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: in historically Jewish roles, and that is the case here

444
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: because oh, what's the real guy's name? Hold on, let

445
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: me look at it. Lorenz Heart, yes, because Lorenz Hart

446
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: is Jewish. And then I also think back to Mank,

447
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: the movie MANK, where they cast Gary Oldman as Mank.

448
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: I was like, why are we doing this? Yeah, so

449
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. That seems like a little bit of

450
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: a murky area. But Ethan Hawk is very good in this,

451
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: and he has to play a very short person and

452
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: they did a lot of fun camera tricks to figure

453
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: that out. But it was a delight. I mean, it

454
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: was really good, so I enjoyed it. Find an age.

455
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: Gap between Margaret Qualley and Ethan Hawke.

456
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh that's in the that is in the story.

457
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Is it really he?

458
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, he's he's like an older gay guy who's

459
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: kind of not like bother not bothering Margaret quality, but

460
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: like hounding her.

461
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, she's twenty or something.

462
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's supposed to be twenty and he's supposed to

463
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: be forty eight, so in the movie, and he's kind

464
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: of like obsessed with her. But yeah, there's there's so

465
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: it didn't I mean, there's it's supposed to be gross

466
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: in the movie too. It's not like, uh, a good

467
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: thing in the movie. But he's he's really good. And

468
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: I love Richard Linkletter, and uh, you know, I feel

469
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: like sometimes I like seeing movies about like the most

470
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: annoying people on earth, which Loren's heart is in this movie,

471
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh, this is how everyone in my

472
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: life thinks of me, and so I take I relate

473
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: to that.

474
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: No, Casey, be honest, it's just me everybody else.

475
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's more both annoying.

476
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Okay, well that's good. You know. It's funny.

477
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Feel like Richard Linklater has really been kind of dip

478
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: it into like the past lately, like the.

479
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: Past, past, past, the past. Yeah, he did Nouvelle v

480
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: og and he did uh, well, he did that like

481
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: My My Evenings with Orson or something like that. Do

482
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: you remember that movie Me and Orson? Wells is what's called. Yeah,

483
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: he does like to dip into the past.

484
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Well, but usually it would hover around like the seventies

485
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: or something.

486
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Now he's going back back. Yeah, he

487
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: is good for him. Yeah, he's one of those guys.

488
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: He can do whatever he wants. Him and Steven Soderberg,

489
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: I feel like they just don't give a fuck. They're

490
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: just kind of like, I'm gonna make this now. Yeah

491
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: I want to. And that's good.

492
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm kind of here for that. I'm kind of here

493
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: for that.

494
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope he makes another seventies movie again though. Yeah,

495
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: that's his bread and butter.

496
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: Really is that?

497
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: I love it?

498
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

499
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: Uh Mellley, what did you watch? Well?

500
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I went to a video drome slash Plaza theater screening

501
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: of Nausea from nineteen ninety four.

502
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Michael raw I making the circuit. This is like around

503
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis too. Yeah, there's a restoration. I feel like

504
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: it's Arpalo's or somebody did a restoration of it. It's

505
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: funny because I thought i'd seen this movie in the nineties.

506
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Because the thing that I remember the most about it

507
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: is that didn't have this like really great kind of

508
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: shoegaze soundtrack. Also, like Portois Head, there's a lot of

509
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Portoisheads in it. The Portus Head had was out of

510
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: the print or whatever we saw. I don't know if

511
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: it was a DC pure print, to be honest, but

512
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: it's it was out of the restoration, and I don't know.

513
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why that happened, right, Perhaps my friend

514
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Matt Booth, who owns Video Trum, who apparently had been

515
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: in New York prior to the screening and he was

516
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with Michael al Mooreto as the director, which

517
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: was so interesting, I think he said.

518
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: He asked him why.

519
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: And Michael al Moreta said, well, it was the kind

520
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: of thing that the record label really pushed us to

521
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: have Porta's Head on the soundtrack. He was like, I

522
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: didn't really care either way, So it doesn't even really

523
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: matter to me if it's in or out, but probably right.

524
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: So it was kind of that feeling of like, well,

525
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, I did remember that was a

526
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: huge thing back then. Was I mean, I'm sure it's

527
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: that way now where labels are really trying to get

528
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: their songs onto the soundtracks because yeah, you know, that's

529
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: how you promote, that's how you get people in the door.

530
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: So but anyway, all that's to be said, I remember

531
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: virtually nothing about Najeh when I saw it again. Martin

532
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Donovan was great in it. It's a very artsy movie.

533
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's basically like a female vampire and it's

534
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: great and it's very artistic, very nice.

535
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: Who my boy?

536
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Who's your boy?

537
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

538
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Because he financed it. Oh yeah, there's a bit. There's

539
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: a story about how they couldn't get the money for it.

540
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: And then David Lynch was like, fuck it, I'll just

541
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 1: pay for it.

542
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: And he's in it.

543
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: He's he has a cameo in it. But isn't that great? Yeah,

544
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: to have a really cool director. But like, you know what,

545
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I'll just pay for this film, no problem. Put it

546
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: on a tab.

547
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: Somebody did that for Sean Baker was like if you

548
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: make a movie for this much, I'll just pay for it.

549
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: Oh was it? Hold on, look it up. Oh it

550
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: was the Duplas brothers. They were like, yeah, just make

551
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: if you make it for this much, we'll pay for

552
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: all of it. And then then I did Tangerine.

553
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Can I have someone do that?

554
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Please alms for the poor?

555
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: All right, so nausea. And then the other film I'm

556
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna log this week on the film diary is this

557
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: wild film that I saw. It was called night Killer

558
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety nice, real, real, weird.

559
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Like it was. It's a horror movie.

560
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a slasher made by Italians but

561
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: in America, and it's very horny.

562
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: It's like badly made.

563
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: But I still enjoyed pretty much every second of it.

564
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Just I don't know what else to say. A lot

565
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: of boobs, so you know, that's pretty good for people

566
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: who love lots of boobs.

567
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see if I've seen this movie. It's

568
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: ringing bells, but yeah, I guess I haven't, but I

569
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: feel like I have.

570
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: It's on too, buh, so you can check it out.

571
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's kind of like, yeah, I don't I

572
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it, to be honest.

573
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like there's like.

574
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: A like a there's like a lot of different ideas

575
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: happening at once. There's a psycho killer giving shades of

576
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: like Freddy Krueger. There's also like a amnesia plot at

577
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: one point, very strange pacing well, like the Killer, like

578
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: it kind of like eats its own tail at a

579
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: certain point. I don't know, but it is entertaining. It's

580
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: entertaining as shit. A lot of bad movie filmmaking, but

581
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: very enjoyable. I'm sorry, a lot of bad miilmmaking, but

582
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: very enjoyable.

583
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: So all right, night Killer.

584
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: That's right, Nike Killer.

585
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's close up our diary, shall we?

586
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: Goodbye Diary, goodbye?

587
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: All right, moving on to our main discussion today. Wuthering

588
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: Heights in quotes from twenty twenty six, directed by Emerald Fanell,

589
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: screenplay by Emerald Fanel, based on Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte.

590
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: It's a romance. It's got Margot Robbie, it's got Jacob

591
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: ALORDI got Hong Chow and introducing little Allison all over

592
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: I thought she was great. Really, what is your personal

593
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: connection to this movie.

594
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think I had said this in a prior

595
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: episode when we talked about Valentine's Day, because I saw

596
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: this on Valentine's Day and I absolutely love the nineteen

597
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: thirty nine version of Weathering Heights. Actually, let me back

598
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: up and say this. I read Weathering Heights when I

599
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: was a kid. I have not read it since then.

600
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Okay, man, did you love it when you read it

601
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: or you just read it?

602
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I just read it and because it was an assignment. Okay,

603
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: this is just what happens now. I want to say

604
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: that because there's a lot of people who are very

605
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: obsessed with the original book.

606
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: Okay, that has become very evident since this movie came out.

607
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And some real bronte Heads, real bront Heads out there.

608
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: There's some there's some real bront Heads out there.

609
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

610
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: So I am not disparaging y'all. I understand people who

611
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: are in love with an original text and do not

612
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: appreciate what it gets fucked with in any way. I

613
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: understand that I am not one of those people, at

614
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: least for this, because the nineteen thirty nine version of

615
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Wathering Heights with Sir Laurence Olivier and Merle Oberon is

616
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. I've seen it so many times now.

617
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that one.

618
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: Is faithful to the original, and maybe people don't like

619
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: that one too, who knows. All I know is that

620
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was the most romantic movie I've ever

621
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: seen for a very long time.

622
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: And you know, I just.

623
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Love the kind of gothic romance of it all. And so,

624
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of where I sat with it.

625
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: And then when I heard that Emerald Fanell was redoing it,

626
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: and I thought, I think she smartly and wisely did

627
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: it in quotes, because I do think that that is

628
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: a funny thing to do, like to be like, well,

629
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't care if you think it's unfaithful. It's in quotes.

630
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: It's my quote, Wuthering Heights end quote.

631
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, now, I think that was smart to

632
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: put that out there ahead of time.

633
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just kind of like staving off the haters

634
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, which I kind of appreciate it. It's

635
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of a troll. I love it. But you know,

636
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: here's the thing about her. I mean obviously loved her

637
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: in The Crown because she played Camilla Perker Bulls, although

638
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: she did an incredible job at that and then shortly

639
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: after I saw The Crown Is when Promising Young Woman

640
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: came out. Was not a fan of that movie.

641
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

642
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: Then I saw her second film, Saltburn. Thought it was okay,

643
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: didn't like, hate it hated, but you know, I thought

644
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: it was okay. You know, it was giving shades of

645
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: TiO Rima, the Pasolini movie. But you know, I so

646
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I've not really had a

647
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: great run with her as a director, but I like

648
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: this ip so much that I'm kind of in So

649
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: that's where my This is kind of why I wanted

650
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: to see it so badly and was willing.

651
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: To see it on opening weekend. So yeah, I, like

652
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: I said at the top, I've never read Wathering Heights,

653
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: I never seen Weathering Heights, so I had no I

654
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: had nothing coming into this movie except I really did

655
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: not like Promising Young Women. I thought it was bad

656
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: and people were so obsessed with that movie and I

657
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: just didn't understand. I just really that's one of the

658
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: few times I feel like I just did not I

659
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: really missed what was going on. I don't know. Yeah,

660
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: I thought it should have been more violent. I thought

661
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: it should have been weirder. I thought the ending, the

662
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: ending of that, I was like confuse at what she

663
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: was even trying to say. I don't know it was all.

664
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: It was just kind of a mess, I thought.

665
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, no, listen, I want to say to that point,

666
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: because I just had this conversation with somebody else about this,

667
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to it, like any like,

668
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: if you're a hardcore, if you're a fucking cinema shithead,

669
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: let's just say this. If you're a cinema shithead, okay,

670
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: and you see a movie like Promising a Woman, and

671
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: you hear a lot of hype about it from generally

672
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: non cinema shitheads about it being the craziest movie that

673
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: they've ever seen, it's not going to appeal to your

674
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: taste because in your mind, a movie about, you know,

675
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: a female revenge plot should end like the way that

676
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Dr Fan ends, which is that she eats the dude

677
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: at the end, kills and eats the dude. Like this

678
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: is what we expect as cinema shittheads in this type

679
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: of plot, right.

680
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: Bear, Men's she's eating she's eating a human.

681
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: If she's not eating a human or dismembering a human.

682
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: Then what are we doing here?

683
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Calm me out, that's what That's how I felt.

684
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: No, it's either that it's drf Fan or it's the

685
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: end of thriller. AKA they call her one Eye, which

686
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: is basically like a woman shooting a man to death

687
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: in a very beautiful, you know, cinematic slow mo way,

688
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: or you know, miss forty five. This is what we

689
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: think a cinema shittheads. But then you know, most normal

690
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: people are like, wow, what a crazy movie.

691
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: I just was like that movie. It was like, wait,

692
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: what because in the trailer it makes it seem like

693
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: she's inflicting revenge upon these men, but in the movie

694
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: she's like, shame on you. I hope you feel gross.

695
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: Bye bye. I was like, that was it?

696
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: Listen because we have diseased brains.

697
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that's maybe we've been cured and everybody else's disease,

698
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But anyways, I always thought

699
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: visually she was an incredible director. I didn't see Saltburn,

700
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: but it looked visually cool, and I thought promising young

701
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: woman like as a director looked great visually amazing.

702
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: I think that that's her fucking bread and butter.

703
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And so I was like, Okay,

704
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: this movie Wuthering Heights. I was like, she is writing

705
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: the screenplay, but she's not writing the story, you know,

706
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: And I thought this has real promise and to me

707
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: spoiler alert, I really liked this movie. I thought it ripped.

708
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: And I have some criticisms, you know, the shithead in

709
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: me it always wants more, it always wants more violence,

710
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: it wants more sex. But uh, I thought it was

711
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: pretty good. So that that that's my personal connection to

712
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: this whole endeavor.

713
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what I thought about it?

714
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: I do.

715
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: I fucking loved it.

716
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: I did. Okay, okay, I really was in.

717
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I loved it, And we'll get into this. I'm sure

718
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I loved it in spite of it maybe not going

719
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: as hard as everybody thought it was going to go.

720
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: Right.

721
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think it went kind of hard, but

722
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't like again, it still works, it works, it

723
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: is yeah.

724
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: And I think somebody posted this, oh I almost said

725
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: it said something really Minnesota posted. Somebody posted this on

726
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: wine but was like, you're not going to see Jacob

727
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: Elordi's dick. Come on get real. People, get real. We're

728
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: not gonna see We're not gonna see full Margot Robbie

729
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: Bush in this get real. You know, they're too famous.

730
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: There's too much at stake. So I kind of am

731
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: along those lines. I think the I think what actually

732
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: could have made people appease the shitheads a little bit

733
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: more is the very first scene in the movie. There's

734
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: a hanging, and after the hanging, the guy who's getting

735
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: hung gets a boner. Yeah, and this makes everyone horny

736
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: and people start like making out and getting all horned up.

737
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: I think that should have been like the scene in

738
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: the Devils at the top of the movie with and

739
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: they didn't have to have like favor they could have

740
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: had like, you know, people who are fine, you know,

741
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: random people get naked and be horny. I think the

742
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: I just needed to throw a bone to the shitheads

743
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: a little bit at the top. I think that would

744
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: have appeased everybody. Okay, I listen right out the gate.

745
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: If there's if we're going to bone town, fine, I'm like,

746
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, great. There were other little bits

747
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: of shitheadness peppered in which I'll talk about at some point,

748
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: but I think that I was I was. I was

749
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: wondering if I personally was going to hold this film

750
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: to the same standard that I did for Promising a

751
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: Woman again, which is that it didn't go hard enough.

752
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like, if no one's you know, eaten ass

753
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: in this movie, then I'm out, or if like, you know,

754
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't even want to go down this road. I

755
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: already said the nastiest thing you could possibly say, which

756
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: is the last in the last, very last moments of

757
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: our I won't repeat it because I know my mom

758
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, but I again was sort of like,

759
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm fine with it because time and

760
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: place right like, but I really think that once we

761
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: get into the beats of the film, there will be

762
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: things that come to mind and be like, oh, that

763
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: was actually kind of kind of shittheady, which.

764
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

765
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: But even though it wasn't like beats per minute the grossest,

766
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: most salacious thing.

767
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: That I'd ever seen, Yeah, no, I think there's a

768
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: lot for the shitheads to slurp up from your bull

769
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: you know. Let me just get into the synopsis here

770
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's seventeen seventy one. We're in the

771
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: Yorkshire Moors, of England. Young Catherine Kathy Cath Earnshaw lives

772
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: with her father at the gothic broken down a state

773
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: Wuthering Heights. One day, on an alcoholic jaunt, her father

774
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: purchases a nameless boy who's like being eat up by

775
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: his father in town and he gifts him to his

776
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: daughter Kathy, and Kathy names him because he doesn't really

777
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: have a name, and he doesn't talk, really doesn't. It

778
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: seems like he almost doesn't know how to talk at

779
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: the beginning of the movie. But she names him Heathcliff,

780
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: after her deceased brother, and he becomes her quote unquote pet,

781
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: but soon he becomes her protector against her abusive alcoholic

782
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: father and a love is born. And the beginning of

783
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: this movie as she's a little girl, they're like ten

784
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the movie. One big thing that

785
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: people have an issue with this movie is that in

786
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: the book, Heathcliff is racially ambiguous. They is said to

787
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: be resembling a quote dark skinned gypsy or quote Lascar,

788
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: which is a person of like Southeast Asian descent, but

789
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: in this it's played by Jacob Lordy. Do you have

790
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: any thoughts about that? Why they did that or if

791
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: that takes you out of it at all. Well, here's

792
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: the thing.

793
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: I I do think that the story changes when that

794
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Heathcliff character is not.

795
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: Ethnic in any way.

796
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Yes, right, because of the implications of his ethnicity in

797
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: this society, in this family, in his poverty, et cetera.

798
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, it has

799
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: much larger societal concerns that need to be taken into

800
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: account when the story is.

801
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: It makes it raises the stakes on the whole idea

802
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: that he was brought into white society, that he has

803
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: something to prove when he goes away and comes back wealthy.

804
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: It has implications on the way Kathy treats him in

805
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: the way that she the whole kind of calm. I

806
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: know you wrote this in your notes, but the possession

807
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: part of it, the ownership part of it.

808
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Right, it is a much darker connotation because so much

809
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: in this movie is she's like, there's like a lot

810
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: of like I own you, you're my pet. That becomes dark,

811
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: That becomes a more I don't know, there's a darker

812
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: twist to that. If he's a person of color and

813
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: she's a white woman saying that on screen you know, yeah,

814
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: of course.

815
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: Of course that is that changes the conversation. I saw

816
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: a couple of reviews about, you know, why couldn't they

817
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: have cast you know, I don't know Dev Patel or

818
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: somebody else in this role, but I think we gotta

819
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: be fucking serious. This is Hollywood, this is Warner Brothers.

820
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: Like this is like a company that's like, oh, you

821
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: can get like the most attractive, like hot young actor

822
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: right now or you know that to play this legendary character,

823
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: I think you have to. I also think that Jacob

824
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: already worked with Emerald Fameel before, so it was kind

825
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: of like a no brainer in that way. I'm not

826
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: saying that it shouldn't have been a different actor. I

827
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: think that's a lot of why the Bronte heads are

828
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: pissed about it, and for good reason. Totally understand that.

829
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: For me, I just put it away like in my brain,

830
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: like I was just like, you know what, I'm going

831
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: to try to see this at face value, knowing that hell,

832
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirty nine version, fucking Sir Lawrence Olivier

833
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: wasn't that either. He's a white dude too, so it's like,

834
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: you know, like it ain't pretty unfortunately when it comes

835
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff.

836
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and it is interesting because there are

837
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: other actors in the non white actors in I believe

838
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 2: traditionally white roles, like was the Hong Chow character always Asian?

839
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't think so.

840
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the character of Edgar Linton, I think

841
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: was supposed to be not supposed to be, was traditionally white,

842
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: and he was played by Shazade Latif, who is a

843
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 2: British actor of Pakistani descent. So I don't know, it's yeah,

844
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it's I think it's something that

845
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: needs to be noted.

846
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean interestingly enough. I mean, you know,

847
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: in the thirty nine version, Merle Oberon is Eurasian. She

848
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: is a biracial actress playing a white lady.

849
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: So it's messy. Wuthering Heights has messy.

850
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: Casting always, I feel like, but I do think it's

851
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: interesting to sort of like change that a little bit

852
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: in the new version with some of the other characters.

853
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

854
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's another thing too about this version of

855
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Weathering Heights that I actually appreciated, which is that it

856
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of has it's giving like Sophia Coppola Marie Antoinette

857
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: like anachronism when it comes to the costumes, the sets,

858
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: the music. I mean, Charlie XCX does the soundtrack. Yeah,

859
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and so it's a lot of I don't know, almost

860
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of like electro pop. Sounds very eighties. Some of

861
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: the outfits that Kathy wears in the film feel very

862
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: eighties to me. And we talked about this when we

863
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: were talking about the poster, about how the poster, the

864
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: cover art with the white background looks very almost kind

865
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: of like an eighties or like a dark Shadows the

866
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: seventies like the thing type of thing where it's like

867
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: very out of time in that way.

868
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I really liked that about the movie. It

869
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: really was stylized in a way that it felt like

870
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: a nineteen eighties music video a lot of the times,

871
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: like the sky is like bright orange red, and it's

872
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: like very unnatural and very highly stylized, and that really

873
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: worked for me. I loved that about this this version,

874
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: and I think that's actually what some of the bronte

875
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: heads don't like about it, because it's like they hold

876
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: this as like high literature and high regard, and to

877
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: treat it as kind of like pulpy in this way

878
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: denigrates it in their in their mind. But I really

879
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: liked that. That made me like, like, even the way

880
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: the snow is filmed, it feels like it's on a set. Yeah,

881
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: and it feels so fake, yes, but like in the

882
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: best possible way.

883
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you can really fallow down a rabbit hole

884
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: about the production design of this film. Like there are

885
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: many articles, a lot of videos on YouTube, like with

886
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: the production designer of the new Weathering Heights and it's great,

887
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: it's great shit you guys should like all read it.

888
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: But it's they filmed it on a set and it

889
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: is absolutely great. Like I love that it feels artificial

890
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: or something. It feels like it's in a fake world,

891
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: but rich, rich fake world. Well, and like this is

892
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: something that I was going to get into at some point,

893
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: maybe later, but maybe it's useful to bring up now.

894
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: So much of the sets, the set pieces of Weathering

895
00:53:51,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Heights twenty twenty six were built around like tactile corporeal things.

896
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

897
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: Like it's like, yeah, the skin room, you know, the

898
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: idea that there are hams and a lot of the

899
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: like you know, the the.

900
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Fireplace and coming out of the walls.

901
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: There's a video of the production production designer for Weathering

902
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: Heights talking about how they were building tree trunks and

903
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: tree limbs into the walls of Weathering Heights to kind

904
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: of feel to make it feel like the earth was

905
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of caving in on this place, and everything and

906
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: every scene feels that way. It feels like the walls

907
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: are alive, it feels like the floors are alive. It

908
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: feels like everything seems very sensual and sensory. Yeah, and

909
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: then the idea that it feels like it's in a

910
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: fake environment all hits for me.

911
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: I loved me too. I loved that about this version

912
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: me too.

913
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: No, I love the feel of worlds like this, And

915
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot of eighty movies, eighties

916
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: movies that do this. One that I want to shout

917
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: out is called The Company of Wolves by Neil Jordan

918
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty four. That's like, it feels like it's

919
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: all in a set, but it's all in the woods,

920
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: and there's something very sensory about that as well. And yeah,

921
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean that I loved entering this world and feeling

922
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: just the texture of it. Because so often we use

923
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: cgi to help make things feel more epic in movies,

924
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: and there's a lack of tactility to that that I

925
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: really appreciated in this movie.

926
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was, like I think it was on the

927
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: architectural design YouTube talking to the production designer Susy Davies,

928
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: who I feel like we should name at this point

929
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: because she's I feel like, really a huge part of

930
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: this movie. There's a sea. There's a video of her

931
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: on eighties.

932
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: YouTube channel talking.

933
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: About every fireplace was practical. So they actually built fireplaces

934
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: on the set and they actually had fire and smoke,

935
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: and then they all came out of a flu that

936
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: went outside to the roof of the of the studio,

937
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: so there was actual fire. Like they were using practical

938
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: sets and it wasn't computerized and they were building things.

939
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing is that this movie

940
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: in total feels very tangible, tactile, touch like, very sensory.

941
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: And I've read quotes talking about how that was on

942
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: purpose because of the nature of the time, which the

943
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: Gothic period felt very non technological obviously, Yeah, but that

944
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: also Love is very handsy, touchy, sensory. Yes, brilliant shit,

945
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: This is brilliant shit. To me, and this is why

946
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I love this movie. What the hell?

947
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Oh my god, yes, I mean incredible. I'm gonna

948
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: move on to the second part here, So we flash

949
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: forward to the adult they're adults now and Margot Robbie

950
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: is playing Kathy and Jacob Already is playing Heathcliff okay,

951
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: and they have kind of a brother sister sort of

952
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: flirty teasing kind of relationship, but they're not really together.

953
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: They're not it's not like consummated, you know. But then

954
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: a rich guy moves next door, Edgar Linton played by

955
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: Shazade Latif, and Kathy decides She's like, I'm gonna court

956
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: this guy, or at least introduce myself what's going on

957
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: over there, because Wuthering Heights is like falling apart. Her

958
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: dad's a drunk, they have no money, and so she

959
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: goes over there to spy and she quote unquote sprains

960
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: her ankle or hurts her ankle or something, so they

961
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: have to take her in over at Thrushcross Grange where

962
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: Edgar Lytton that's his house's manor, and he becomes smitten

963
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: with her, and it's very clear he's going to propose

964
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: to her. Meanwhile, Heathcliff is brooding back at Wuthering Heights

965
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: and Kathy comes back and Heathcliff is mad. And then

966
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: one night they're spying. I don't know how this exactly

967
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: comes about, but basically Kathy and Heathcliff spy upon some

968
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: servants fucking in the barn and it's very BDSM sexy

969
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: and naughty, and this kind of makes Kathy go insane.

970
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: She goes to Mores to do what else but masturbate,

971
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: and Heathcliff discovers her and they kiss and he's like,

972
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: I love you, I'm into you, and she is into

973
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: it too, but she's like, we can't do this, we

974
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: can't do this. No, no, no no. She runs away.

975
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 2: She gets proposed to by Edgar. She says yes, and

976
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: she is talking to Nellie, her kind of hired hand

977
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: who becomes important later and now. But she's like, I

978
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: love Heathcliff, but to marry him would degrade her because

979
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: he's a poor servant. She's like, I have to marry Edgar,

980
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: but do I I love Heathcliff. And basically Nellie sees

981
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: that Heathcliff has sort of started listening, Like halfway through

982
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: the conversation and kind of get Kathy to say that

983
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: Heathcliffe marrying Heathcliffe would degrade her. So Heathcliff here is

984
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: that part, but doesn't hear that she loves him, And

985
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: as a result of this, he flees, runs away, and

986
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: Kathy is distraught and she ends up marrying Edgar.

987
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, so this is like the Again, the

988
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: implications of the racial component come into play because the

989
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: idea of Kathy assessing whether or not she could even

990
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: have this love with Heathcliff is based on his state

991
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: of you know, like race, his finances, his background, his pedigree,

992
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: and I mean, I think it's obvious that like, you know,

993
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: in this world, you know, as a woman who they

994
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: have like no options, and you you know, there's strategory

995
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: I suppose in that way where she's like, well, my

996
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: dad's a drunk, I'm poor. What does it serve me

997
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: to marry another poor person who I can't even really

998
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: be with anyway because he's you know, ethnic or whatever,

999
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to go and cozy up to

1000
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: the rich guy. I mean it's kind of a very

1001
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, and that gone with the windy and kind

1002
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: of way of a woman who's basically like, well, I

1003
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: just got to marry a rich guy. And that's how

1004
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: it works. I mean, obviously in twenty twenty six you're like,

1005
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: are you joking? But like back then, a huge, huge deal.

1006
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: But it obviously is the thing that destroys their you know,

1007
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: destroys Heathcliff and ruins their love. You know, there's always

1008
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: the whole like storyline of in these type of romances

1009
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: where it's like if a person just hung out for

1010
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: two extra seconds, I know.

1011
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: Just listened a little longer, dude, Yeah, because she took off.

1012
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: He took off right before she said, but I love

1013
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: Heathcliff and I think I want to marry him instead

1014
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: of this other guy. She kind of he kind of

1015
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: left right before that, and it ruined their entire lives. Right.

1016
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: And then there's a little early.

1017
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a little bit of fuckery on the

1018
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: Nelly slash Honk Chow part.

1019
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some fuckery because she has kind of a

1020
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: she she has sort of a weird relationship with Kathy

1021
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: in that she's like a hired friend essentially, and because

1022
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: she is like the bastard child of some lord and uh.

1023
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: Well and that's what and that's what makes it interesting

1024
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: that her character is Asian in this film, Yes, because

1025
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: she also has something to game by staying with this fan.

1026
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: That's it, you know.

1027
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: So it's basically like she's going, well, if this woman

1028
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: like Mary's Heathcliff, then I'm out of here. And I

1029
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: don't want that for myself.

1030
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to because if she marries the rich guy,

1031
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: I can go move into the rich guy house. Thrash thrush,

1032
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: crush brain and also too maybe.

1033
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: A little bit of I mean I didn't I wasn't

1034
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: sure if people were kind of viewing this through like

1035
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: a queer lens or anything. But you know, just like

1036
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: the idea of somebody being like, well, she'll now like

1037
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I won't be as close to her because she's gonna

1038
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: be she's gonna have a boyfriend, and it's just gonna

1039
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: ruin the friendship or ruin whatever it is that we have.

1040
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was queer code. It felt queer coded

1041
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: where she's like, well, marry the guy you don't love

1042
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: so you can love me insteads hang.

1043
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: Out with me and we can we can sit back

1044
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: and hang out while that guy.

1045
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: Goes to work. Yeah, for you, what did you think

1046
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: when Kathy put eggs in heath Cliff's bed.

1047
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: Look, this is what I wanted to talk about in

1048
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: reference to Emerald Fanel, this bitch loves fluids and I

1049
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: love it for her.

1050
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't watch Saltburn. I know there's a lot

1051
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: of seamen in uh salt and alls of gooey eggs

1052
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: in this one. Yes.

1053
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: To me, it's kind of like, I mean, she's kind

1054
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: of into that Crone and burgiean thing of body horror fluids,

1055
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, very tangible embodied sets, oopy goopiness. I love

1056
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: it in fact, you know, and like part of what

1057
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to because I was going

1058
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: to point out like a little cinema shithead thing is

1059
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: like when they're on the moors and Kathy is like,

1060
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, basically like I'm so horny, I have to

1061
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: go out to a more and please myself. And then

1062
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: Heathcliff comes up and he's just like what she doing

1063
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: over here? And that whole scene of them, I won't

1064
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: give it away, but it's it's very sexy and there

1065
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: was is that to me was like a nod to

1066
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: the shitheads where I was like, oh, yeah, we see

1067
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: you that went there, baby, and I I'm here for it.

1068
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: Good for you, you.

1069
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: Know, because, like I said, I think that that is

1070
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: that is something that makes her an interesting director to

1071
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: me is the idea that she's she's kind of you know,

1072
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: a little a little nasty, little gross, you know, got

1073
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: a little got a little thing for eggs, an egg yolk.

1074
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: She has a little bit of like like you said, Cron,

1075
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of Ken Russell in her. Yeah.

1076
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I mean I just would hate

1077
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: if someone put eggs in my bed and I sat.

1078
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: That would like ruin my quarter.

1079
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1080
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: But then and then you've got shots of like people

1081
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: looking at each other with extreme longing, with like yoky fingers.

1082
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, shed heead alert. We should send her

1083
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: a hat.

1084
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would I would die if she

1085
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: wore that hat. That's so fantastic.

1086
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: She'd be like, what is this? I don't understand? What's

1087
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: a shithead phase? Yeah? I just want to address Isabella Linton.

1088
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: Linton played by uh Alison Oliver. She plays the ward

1089
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: of Edgar. What is she exactly to Edgar? She related

1090
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: to him.

1091
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: See at first, okay, I would again it's been a

1092
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: long she's not his daughter, not his girlfriend. I haven't

1093
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: read Wathering Heights in a long time, so I gotta

1094
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: look this up.

1095
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: Oh, it's his the older sister. Oh because in the Okay,

1096
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: in Finelle's version, she's just the Ward. But in it

1097
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 2: seems like in the book it's Edgar's sister. I wonder

1098
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: why she made that change. I do not know.

1099
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: She's like, fuck it, let's just flippy dip it.

1100
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: The reason. Sure, Okay, next section here, flash forward five years.

1101
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: Kathy is married to Edgar and living at thrush Cross Grange,

1102
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: and she's rich, but there's some longing for another. She's

1103
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: not quite she's just kind of in the clouds, you know.

1104
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: But she gets pregnant by Edgar, you know, hooray. But

1105
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: she sits on her bed eggs. Someone put eggs in

1106
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: her bed. It must be heath Cliff. He's back and boys,

1107
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: he back. He is shaved, he's clean, and guess what.

1108
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 2: He's rich. Inexplicably, it seems like there's some nefarious piracy

1109
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: stuff going on. Unclear how he got rich, but he's rich.

1110
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: Now he's purchased Wuthering Heights and guess what. He's pissed

1111
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: off because Kathy left him for Edgar, you know, and

1112
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: so he like kind of seeks revenge on Kathy and

1113
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: he attempts to woo Isabella the ward. Kathy kind of

1114
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: tries to stick it to him too, But after her

1115
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: wretched father dies, they finally admit to each other they

1116
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: still love each other and that she regrets saying yes

1117
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: to Edgar, and they start to thick and they're having

1118
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: a good time. But he does not know that Kathy's pregnant.

1119
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: So this is kind of the fun, sexy fuckery time

1120
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: of the movie. Yeah, so we got to talk about

1121
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: the skin room. Talk about it. Let's go. There's a

1122
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: room that Edgar made like Kathy's room. Kathy has her own,

1123
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: separate room from Edgar, you know, they don't sleep in

1124
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: the same room. And her room is like the same

1125
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: color as her skin, and it's like the texture of skin,

1126
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: so it's like a skin room. It even has like

1127
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 2: little freckles on it in veins and stuff. Do you

1128
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: want a skin room? Would you find that romantic?

1129
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: Sure? I want to scale, Like, I have a room

1130
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: that is basically a facsimile of my skin, with my

1131
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: new tattoo going up the wall, sweating being veiny and pulsating. Sure,

1132
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: I could sleep there, I could pay out in there.

1133
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: So I want to underscore this because I feel like

1134
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: it bears to be underscored, which is the hotness of Heathcliff. Okay,

1135
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: because we all know that when you're you know, destined

1136
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 1: for someone, when it's in the stars that you're supposed

1137
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: to be with somebody, as Kathy is to Heathcliff, et cetera,

1138
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: that is a attraction that goes beyond the pale of

1139
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: just like being into someone, right, It's it's justice and

1140
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: there's obviously something magical and romantic about that. Heathcliff pre

1141
01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: glow up is kind of that like Wesley in The

1142
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: Princess Bride, where he's like a farm boy type. He's

1143
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: got a little scruffy, sexy Jesus sex appeal, you know,

1144
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: and Jacob e Lordie is really good at being that person.

1145
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: I personally am not like attracted to Jacob Elordi in

1146
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: the kind of classical sense, but you know, when he's

1147
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: embodying this like Gothic romantic, you know, dark hair, Jesus hatty,

1148
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: with all the walls sweating in the skin room, I'm like,

1149
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: damn yes, like again, he embodies this like very sensual

1150
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: sexual and there's a lot of like sexual tension in

1151
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: the movie because they're not supposed to be together, but

1152
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: they clearly want each other. That's why they're cracking eggs

1153
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: in each other's beds and like putting their hands in it.

1154
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: And shit, that's why the scene where they're spying on

1155
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: the the the houseworkers doing it in the stable and

1156
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: he gets on top of her with his hand over

1157
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: her mouth. Please another a little shithead moment if I

1158
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: ever saw one.

1159
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but it's that thing.

1160
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: Of you know, he comes back and he's this gentleman

1161
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: now right, he's got at one ear ring, which I

1162
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: was like, what's that about? Is it they are they

1163
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: trying to be like is that ethic? I don't know

1164
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: why they had that one or a gypsy?

1165
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.

1166
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: It was very bizarre, but I was like, I'm here

1167
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: for it whatever, like it is, it is what it is.

1168
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, it's like the whole thing

1169
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: about him trying to get revenge on Kathy for basically

1170
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,879
Speaker 1: being like you didn't want me when I was poor

1171
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: and sweet, you know, and now I'm back to let

1172
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, I can really shake them down. Look at

1173
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: people with you know, with my suits in my yeah

1174
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: cut hair.

1175
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 2: I I think this movie goes There is a tradition

1176
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: of kind of movies like this or stories like this

1177
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: where it's like this love that can't be denied but

1178
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: feels like it's gonna end up killing everybody. Yeah. Like

1179
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: it's like there's like a weight and evil weight to

1180
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: it where it's like it's almost it's too succulent, it's

1181
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: too uh powerful, this attraction that it's like people are

1182
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: gonna end up dead because of this. Yeah. And I

1183
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: always like movies like that have that stakes to it,

1184
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: And I feel like, actually, David Cronenberg has a lot

1185
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,919
Speaker 2: of movies like that where it feels like there's something

1186
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: going on, there's like an attraction that can't be sustained

1187
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 2: and someone's gonna en up dying.

1188
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the end of Zulawski's Possession where you're

1189
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: like making out with someone covered in blood and shit.

1190
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the most it's the most romantic

1191
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: goth shit in the world to be doomed in the

1192
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: doomed love scenario, and you know, it's very goth, it's

1193
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: very appealing and we love that about Wuthering Heights, and

1194
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: then the idea that he gets back at Kathy or

1195
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: attempts to by wooing Isabella, who is for a virgin, right,

1196
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: She's like a total virgin. She's probably never even seen

1197
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: a dude naked, and that whole scene where he like

1198
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: basically turns her out is.

1199
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:01,799
Speaker 2: Exactly what we wanted.

1200
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: And like a lot of people were like, yo, this

1201
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: is problematic, Like this is like, you know, like cruel,

1202
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: and it's a BDSM thing. It's obviously like not in

1203
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: the original text.

1204
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but this is where the shit hits.

1205
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: But I thought it. I mean, I guess it is problematic,

1206
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: but like you know, Isabella's fucking loving it. She likes

1207
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: getting chained up like a dog. And you also get

1208
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: the sense that she's like, I'm doing this because I

1209
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: want to. There's a scene where she's like, so let

1210
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 2: me get to this part. Do you mind if I

1211
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: just say the next section? So basically, Kathy discovers that

1212
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 2: Nellie knew that Heathcliff heard her say that shit about him,

1213
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 2: so she tries to fire Nelly. Nellie then tells Edgar, hey,

1214
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: they be fucking and that makes things more complicated, and

1215
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: Heathcliff says to Kathy like, ooh, just tell me to

1216
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 2: kill Edgar and I am there. Just give me the word,

1217
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: I will kill him. And Kathy realizes, whoa, this is

1218
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: got insane, Like we have actually gotten insane, and so

1219
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: she breaks up with him, says, this can't happen. I'm

1220
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: having this baby. You gotta go. So Heathcliff to get

1221
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: back at her. Mary's Isabella, and they have this whole

1222
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 2: thing with her. They're like, he's like, I'm gonna treat

1223
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: you like shit and I'll always want to be with Kathy.

1224
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: Are you cool with being with me? And Isabella's like sure, yeah,

1225
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: that sounds great. Actually we get the fuck that sounds great.

1226
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: So they have this whole scene where he's like, uh,

1227
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: have you ever had sex? And she's like no, and

1228
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: he's like do you want to? And she's like yes,

1229
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: and he's like I am not gonna be nice and

1230
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna get married and I'm not really gonna like you.

1231
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: Is that okay? And she's like yes, and I got

1232
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: the sense yeah, Like Isabella seemed like she was into this.

1233
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 2: And there's a part where he has her chained up

1234
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: to a fireplace and is barking like a dog. But

1235
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: it's all sort of an act, you know, to get

1236
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: Kathy's attention. So, and there's a part where he's like,

1237
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: Heathcliff can't read or write, and so he has to

1238
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: have Isabella write letters to Kathy, and Isabelle's like, I'll

1239
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: do it, but you gotta do some stuff for me too,

1240
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, yes, ma'am. So it does feel like

1241
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: she is actually in control of the situation. That's why

1242
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: I didn't feel problematic to me.

1243
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was more when I say problematic,

1244
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: I think it was more of a taste thing, you know,

1245
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: based on stuff that I've read where it's like, oh,

1246
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: the whole like Isabelle, they is so grotesque, and you know,

1247
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: she's like it's so like bda SIMI and like unsavory.

1248
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be more high brow or something. Yeah,

1249
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm kind of like, nah, I'm cool

1250
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: with this.

1251
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 2: I like I am too. So basically, he's sending letters

1252
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: to Kathy and Nelly is intercepting them and burning them.

1253
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: So Kathy thinks, like, Okay, Heathcliffe is just gone. But

1254
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: Keithcliffe is like, I'm sorry, can we make amends? I

1255
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: feel bad. Meanwhile, Cathy is like so distraught that she

1256
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: stops eating. The baby dies and as a result, she dies.

1257
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 2: She dies because she's so distraught that Heathcliff abandoned her.

1258
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: And the movie ends with Heathcliff running galloping on a

1259
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: horse to see her before she dies, and he does not.

1260
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 2: He does not get to see her before her death.

1261
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: The end. Well, now you have a note here, and

1262
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what this refers to it because I

1263
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: have no idea about anything Weathering Heights related. Can you

1264
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: speak on that? Okay?

1265
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: So, so the end of Wathering Heights, the nineteen thirty

1266
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: nine version is exactly what who sold me on everything?

1267
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like retroactively sold on the original book because

1268
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: of the end of thirty nine weather Heights, which is

1269
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: that Kathy is on her deathbed, Heathcliff busts in the

1270
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: door and he's just like professing his eternal love for her.

1271
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: And I will say that it was pretty much word

1272
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: for word the same in the new version.

1273
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: And I and.

1274
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: That's why I was bawling crying at the end of

1275
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: the Emerald Famel version because I realized it was the

1276
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: same shit. I was like, oh my god, please, you're

1277
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: killing me. And he goes through the whole machinations of like,

1278
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: damn you, I will you know, don't leave me alone

1279
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: in this world, haunt me for the rest of my life.

1280
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like begging somebody to haunt you. Really

1281
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: just tickles my fancy, to be honest, and that's that

1282
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: goth that it's my shitty little vampire fixations. I just

1283
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm a goth bitch, dude. I think everyone knows this,

1284
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Speaker 1: you know. I love. I love a real hikey like

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: fucking fucked up romance, love, a gothic eternal love story

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01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: of like two vampires being in love forever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is my life, right, And then at the end

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Speaker 1: of the thirty nine version, the last scene is basically

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Speaker 1: like they're ghosts out on the moors like together, and

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Speaker 1: I went with a couple of my friends who are

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Speaker 1: cinema shittheads in the same way that I am, and

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Speaker 1: the lights come up and they're like, no, absolutely not,

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Speaker 1: no ghosts, No fucking ghosts, are you kidding me? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the whole thing, is that, like you

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Speaker 1: were expecting the ghosts and now you don't like it,

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01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, I just can't. I thought there was

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Speaker 1: gonna be the ghost thing at the end, and I'm like, okay.

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01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: So they were like really pissed that the ghost thing

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Speaker 1: that not happened. I don't know if I should spoil it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's an old book. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there's a flashback sequence to when they were kids, which

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's sort of ghost like, I guess

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01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't mind it too much that there weren't

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Speaker 1: ghosts on the moors at the end of the Emerald

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Speaker 1: finel version, but yeah, I think that was kind of

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Speaker 1: a big, sticking, sticky yeah, my friends.

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Speaker 2: You know, one thing that people have been complaining about

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01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: is that they're like, I wasn't emotional at the end

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Speaker 2: of the movie. Have you seen this?

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Speaker 1: Who said this?

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: People are like it was forced. People are saying this,

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01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: People are saying this, and you know what, I wasn't

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01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 2: really either good. I'm gonna be honest, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: feel like I needed to be to appreciate, like it's

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01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: so stylizing over the top. I was like, this is

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01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: a ride. It's like I'm not weeping at the end

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01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: of the Fly with David Cronenberg's The Fly. That's how

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Speaker 2: I kind of like felt like I was like this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I needed to be touched to

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Speaker 2: appreciate the ending, I guess is what I'm saying. You know, dude, I.

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01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: Mean, listen, y'all are very cool, very cool, calm, calculated folks.

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Speaker 1: I love that for you. I love your restraint. I

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01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: was a fucking disaster casey Like I was crying my

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01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: eyes out at the end to where like the lights

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01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: come up in my friend Eddie like immediately turst me.

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01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: He's like, wait a second, there wasn't And then he

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01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: noticed that I was bawling and then just turned around

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: in his chair and was like, let her have her moment.

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Speaker 2: I'll hold my comments for the leader. It was like lobby.

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Speaker 1: It was the same shit that happened during past lives

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,480
Speaker 1: where I was I had to run to the bathroom

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01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: to like cry my shit out before joining you know,

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Speaker 1: the group of people that I went with to see

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Speaker 1: that movie. But honestly, I was emotional pretty much the

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01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: entire film. I mean, when they're like fucking on the

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01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: moors and shit, I was like, this is gorgeous, this

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 1: is like so good, Like I'm loving all of this stuff.

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01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: And again, I felt like when I first came into

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01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: the movie theater, I just was not expecting the level

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Speaker 1: of buy in that I think I ended up having

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01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: HT where I loved it, like I loved the loved

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: everything about it. I loved the ending. I thought it

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01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 1: was so good. I cried my eyes out, as I

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: just said. And I don't know, maybe I'm uncool, but

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01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,480
Speaker 1: I was emotional.

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Speaker 2: That's I think that's great. I don't think that's an

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: incorrect reaction. I just think people who are like I

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01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,879
Speaker 2: wanted to be weeping and I wasn't. I'm like, shut up, Yeah,

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01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: you should.

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,520
Speaker 1: Go through Perry metopause. Maybe that helps.

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good suggestion.

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01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: Where I cry over literally I was crying at Maria

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01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: Minudos talking about AI before the film.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god. Any other final thoughts about Wuthering Heights, Milly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, quite honestly, I was actually happy at

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01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day that I liked it because

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to have anything to hate. I'm

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: so tired of hating and being disappointed, and I think

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01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: I was very happily surprised because again, like my track

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Speaker 1: record with Emerald Fanel was so likenh that I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I actually like loved this movie and

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: I definitely want to see it again. There were things

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: about it, all the things that I think people had

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01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: questions about, which again are valid, absolutely valid. I I

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I must have just like dissociated from it.

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01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm biracial. I should care about the race

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01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: of Heathcliff obviously, and I do. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: just took the story for what it was, meaning it

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Speaker 1: was quote Wuthering Heights end quote It's it was her vision,

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01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, Okay, I'm just gonna

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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: sit in the vision and see how I feel without it.

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01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: Like and so that's why I think that I wasn't

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01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: as concerned about it being so faithful to the book.

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01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: And I know that's probably wrong of me, but I

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,719
Speaker 1: just it is what it is, you know. I wasn't

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01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: comparing it to anything else really, So maybe that's why

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had no expectations of it. I have

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01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: nothing to compare it to and I feel like the

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01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 2: people who go in with that mindset. Really liked this movie.

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01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like a lot of the complaints I'm

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01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: seeing her like it didn't have this and I wanted that,

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01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and it seems like they're Weathering Heights fans,

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01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 2: you know, fans of the book, and so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, listen, I'm not saying that I'm

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01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: above that. There are things but I hated because it

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: wasn't the thing that I loved or whatever. But I

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01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: don't know, I was I was strapped the fucking it

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01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: was Valentine's Day. I was single. Come on, I was

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: loving it. I was loving the eggs dripping off fingers

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01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 1: and the the dog collars on the fireplace and ship.

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01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't I'm gonna send them a shithead in love?

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Speaker 2: What you Yeah? There you go? Well, that's it all right,

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Speaker 2: Moving on to our employees picks. This is a film

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Speaker 2: recommendation based off the movie we just talked about, Millie.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a film recommendation? I can go first,

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01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 2: do well. I talked about this a little bit in

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01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: the conversation about this was a movie where it's like

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01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: this is such a like i'll say it, toxic love,

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01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 2: like there's such a passionate recklessness to it that it

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01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: felt like this is heading for doom. I didn't know

1404
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: the ending of the movie, but I was like, this

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01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: is doomed, and they say that in the movie too,

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01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: and it felt like they would destroy everything in their

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01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 2: lives for this love. And it reminded the feel of

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01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: It reminded me of a movie that I actually really

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01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: like and is a very controversial movie. Talk about a

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01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: shithead movie. I can't believe I'm even recommending this movie,

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: but I do think this is a good film, and

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01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of embodies what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's a movie called in the Realm of the Senses

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01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy six. Now, something you got to know

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01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: about this movie. It's the opposite of the Wathering Heights

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01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: movie you just saw, where there is hardcore, unsimulated sex

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01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: in this movie, and there are some sexual acts in

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01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: this that they actually do in the movie that will

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01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: blow your hair back. This is black Diamond shittheads. YEA. Sure,

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01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 2: it is hardcore, So if you don't want to watch

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 2: a movie like that, you should not watch this movie.

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01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: But it's also a really good movie and it just

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01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: feels like this couple is like obsessed with each other

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01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: to a degree that they throw their lives away and

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01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: it's disgusting and there's fluids, and it kind of reminded

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01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: me of parts of Weathering Heights, you know, like just

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01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 2: sort of the disgusting like nastiness that the movie kind

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01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: of got into. In the Realm of the Senses really

1429
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: gets into it. And it's a Japanese film and it's

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01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: based on a true story. Just crazy and uh yeah,

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01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: not for the faint of heart, but in the Realm

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: of the Senses, absolute black diabetic.

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: Yes, Jesus Christ, I should watch that again.

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01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 2: It's on the Criterion collection. It's directed by Nagisa Oshima,

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 2: who also you know, he's done big movies like Merry

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01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: Christmas Mister Lawrence, So I mean he is a somewhat

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01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: mainstream director, but he made quite a non mainstream film

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01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:58,839
Speaker 2: with that movie, and it's pretty wild.

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01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: God Bless America. I have so many movies I want

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01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: to recommend, because this is like I love toxic romance movies.

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01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go back and recommend the movie that

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01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I already mentioned, which is nineteen eighty one's Possession. Andre

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01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: Zulawawski Doomed fucking Romance. I mean, this is the thing

1444
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: is that it's like this movie is also oopy.

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01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 2: Goopy, oh the goopy. I mean maybe the oopiest goopiest

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01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: movie of all time.

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01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm not sure what happened in that

1448
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: subway if they had if it was eggs.

1449
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 2: They used all the eggs, is what I'm saying. They

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01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 2: used all the groceries, milk, eggs, there was a lot

1451
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,759
Speaker 2: coming out other stuff.

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01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this is again like a movie

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01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: about a couple, the married couple that are on the fritz,

1454
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: and you know they're trying to move on but can't

1455
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways since they kind of move

1456
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: on in different ways. But then it's like they just

1457
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: have a draw to each other that can't be denied

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01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: and it's goofy. It's fucked up for sure. And yeah,

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01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: I mean I just I just feel like it was

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01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: the only movie to pick out of several I had

1461
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: a lot on my list, but I just was like,

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01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: fuck it.

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01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: No, that's I think that's a great one because there's

1464
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: just a danger to that relationship that you feel the

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01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: whole movie kind of like you're feeling Wuthering Heights. So

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01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: very good, Millie. Well, that's our show. If you'd like

1467
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 2: to write in if you have a film regret, consensual

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Speaker 2: film growth, or if you have a gripe right into

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01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,960
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Speaker 2: us a voicemail. Record it on your phone, try to

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Speaker 2: Deer Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com. That's right.

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01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: We are on social meds. We are at Deer Movies.

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01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: I Love you on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterbox tandles

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01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: are at Casey le O'Brien and at md'chericho. And yeah,

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01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,479
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1477
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: your podcast, please rate and review the show positively. Five

1478
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: stars would be so fantastic if you did that at

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01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, again right to us. Let us know that

1480
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: you have crushes on us that you would like to,

1481
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, put eggs in our bed and let's see

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01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: where it goes from there. How about that?

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01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 2: Love that idea, Milli, what are we talking about next week?

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01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: So next week, because it's the beginning of base ball season,

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01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: are you excited?

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01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 2: No, my team is in shambles, absolute shambles. The ownership

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01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 2: group has like decimated the team prospects are. They were

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01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 2: supposed to sell it and then they didn't get enough bidders,

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01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: so they are not selling it now. They took it

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01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 2: back off the market. But we hate the owners. It's

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01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: a bad situation here, very bad. Well, my team, my

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Speaker 2: team that won the World Series last year.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple, you know, like Anthony Bonda is gone,

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Speaker 1: which blows. He was a fan fave. But you know

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Speaker 1: a couple other dudes. But then, like, you know, come on,

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Speaker 1: you see the videos of my Japanese three wise men

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Speaker 1: coming up over the edge of the stadium like AI,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited for baseball to be back.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, we're going to watch the News

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Speaker 1: Bears from nineteen seventy six, a.

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Speaker 2: Classic, fabulous. I haven't seen this in soul. Yeah me too,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch it again. Maybe we'll drink beer

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Speaker 2: and smoke cigarettes while we watch, while we record the next.

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Speaker 1: Episode, Yeah, Mack, maybe we'll shoot it on Baseball Diamond

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Speaker 1: and not a fucking more this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. Well, Milly, thank you, for diving

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Speaker 2: deep on Wuthering Heights.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was a absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Very good bye bye everybody bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hartstark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to cheer Arco.

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Speaker 1: We love you.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye becomething

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Speaker 1: H