WEBVTT - Lost Traveler w/ Scott William Winters

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 4>These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody, Welcome to That's Messed Up and SVU Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger and you get

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<v Speaker 3>the drill.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our podcast where we talk about an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of SVU, the true crime it's based on, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we interview an actor from the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa, what's going on, how are you? I'm pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like my hair is the longest that's been

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<v Speaker 2>in a while. I'm almost covering my tits with it,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been my goal for probably a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, very splash. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take a sexual photo shoot one day

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<v Speaker 2>with my hair covering my boobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everybody for listening and rating and reviewing us

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. And we got a lot of great feedback

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<v Speaker 1>about porn Star's Requiem. We also got an amazing tip

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody that we know on the inside at the

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<v Speaker 1>SVU production. Okay, so the guy who's doing the voice

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<v Speaker 1>coaching Evy through this audition quote unquote is actually the

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<v Speaker 1>SVU casting director, Jonathan Strauss. He does casting for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other Dick Wolf shows, but he is the

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<v Speaker 1>main casting director for Sview and I think always has been.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize his name from the credits, and who better

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<v Speaker 1>to do the voice of a casting director, even for

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<v Speaker 1>a possibly shady website.

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<v Speaker 3>Than the casting director in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this is the casting director that I

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<v Speaker 2>bombed in front of. I wonder if he remembers my

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<v Speaker 2>terrible audition or not. Jonathan Jonathan Wright in people are

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<v Speaker 2>sending us a lot of info about organized crime as well.

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<v Speaker 2>People are like, we need to run through like what

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<v Speaker 2>we know so far? We don't we know what you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Really like, we don't have any insight in FO on

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with organized crime.

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<v Speaker 3>They just added Dylan McDermott to the cast.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got obviously Christopher Maloney Rishka is probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>pop in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well and the like.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like SVU fans or Law and Order fans

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<v Speaker 2>are like detectives in their own rights. So they're through

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<v Speaker 2>their detective work. They're kind of spoiling the what might

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<v Speaker 2>happen or not. They're like they were shooting here. That

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<v Speaker 2>means this. We saw the trailers, the trailer didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>this person, so this person must be dead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you guys are wild.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be like fortune tellers helping the police departments

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<v Speaker 2>because they're just on top of it. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to know these things, but I think they're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say people have written to us

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<v Speaker 2>about Marishka hosting SSNAL. It is a dream of hers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we all need to band together and

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<v Speaker 2>make this happen. Also with the internet news there, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a big event happened this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, we can't not talk about this. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god.

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<v Speaker 1>If you follow us on Instagram or Twitter, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was quote retweeted by iced Tea and I awoke.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was fun is I had texts and tweets

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<v Speaker 2>from other people going, can't wait for you to wake up,

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait till you're awake. Everyone knows I like to

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<v Speaker 2>sleep in, and so I was like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went on Twitter immediately and iced Tea responded,

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<v Speaker 2>what's in the bowl?

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<v Speaker 3>Bart? That's a Simpsons thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, but you know, my favorite gift that I used

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<v Speaker 2>so much is iced tea dancing with a bowl?

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<v Speaker 3>And I knew he was Cereal. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 3>his favorite cereal.

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<v Speaker 2>He did within the thread admit frosted flakes are his favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he did. I didn't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>He responded, Oh my gosh, that Scarese's in the thread

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<v Speaker 1>responding it's it's a who's who.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah Carriese's like, I know what's in the bowl. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, is this a weed joke? What is going

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<v Speaker 2>on here? I want to smoke weed with all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>But lots of people were writing, and then international people

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<v Speaker 2>were shitting on Cereal and like America, Cereal suck. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just sugar, and he's like, damn, even Cereal has haters

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<v Speaker 2>and so like it was just I mean, I probably

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<v Speaker 2>spent fifteen hours on my phone.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a lot of people on my Instagram, I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote like this is a big day, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big day for us, for all of.

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<v Speaker 3>Us, for all of us. It was very, very thrilling.

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<v Speaker 1>The Internet gives us so many gifts, Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just brings us.

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<v Speaker 2>Like closer and closer to meet them. I feel or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just delusional. I mean, it's like when you have

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<v Speaker 2>a crush and you're like, oh, they liked this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>or they watch the story and it's like it truly

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<v Speaker 2>means nothing, but it inflates you. And your phone is listening,

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<v Speaker 2>so they know who you're talking about, and then they'll

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<v Speaker 2>just show you. I mean, I just have a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with phone addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>We also the internet can also bring you some more

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<v Speaker 1>glorious tidings in that we have just launched our official

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<v Speaker 2>any suggestions of any quotes or sayings that you enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>from us, maybe let us know so we can think

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<v Speaker 2>about that. Also learn our fucking voices. What's wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>all of you? I don't know what to do. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try to go on Insta live or put out

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<v Speaker 2>videos like we want to know who's who?

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<v Speaker 3>And I can't believe it's so hard. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess we're just two juwye gals.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think we have to see each other's names more. Lisa, Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Kara, done and done. Ye's it? You got it? You

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<v Speaker 3>should get it now and then we're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>ruin anything.

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<v Speaker 2>No spoilers ahead in any way, but we both have

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<v Speaker 2>seen promising young women.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, excellent movie. Go out and watch it, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean stay in and watch it. Is what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>order it on like Apple or Amazon or wherever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It covers the same themes I would say as SVU,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I went into it knowing nothing about it. I mean nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you should go into it knowing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really really good and fun. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the trailer like seven times over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not wait for this movie to come out.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only is it's so smart, but visually it's stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>The acting, the casting, the line, I mean, every single

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<v Speaker 2>thing I thought was beyond and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>like hype it up and then you're like, what a

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<v Speaker 2>lying bitch. But I was blown away by this movie

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where it stopped and I started it

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<v Speaker 2>over again immediately and watched it twice, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only done twice in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Once for sound of music and the other for sense

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<v Speaker 1>and sensibility in the theaters.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, those are not good, really. I've watched them both

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<v Speaker 3>back to back because I love them so much. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're different people, eaving, But when you're a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's different. As a kid, you just watch things over

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<v Speaker 2>and over. It's like your brain can't take new information

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<v Speaker 2>or something. But I watched Big Business so much that

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<v Speaker 2>the tape, the VHS tape ripped, and then I was

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<v Speaker 2>harper wore it out, and then for the holiday season,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a video of me getting the Big Business

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<v Speaker 2>tape and jumping up and down with joy, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like how times have changed that one VHS tape

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<v Speaker 2>I was jumping. I couldn't contain my emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Big Business is a classic in both of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, Kara.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know my great uncle wrote the sound of music? No,

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<v Speaker 3>I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not surprised. You have a connection to everything

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<v Speaker 1>we've ever talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>Every guest we have, every guest.

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah's like, oh, by the way, my grandfather, Oh my cousin,

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<v Speaker 2>you knew my best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get started. We've got a great episode for

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<v Speaker 3>you guys, and we can't wait to get going.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, So this episode I already forgot

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<v Speaker 2>what it's called Lost Traveler. I remember it was a trick.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a trick called Lost Traveler.

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<v Speaker 3>In season thirteen, episode nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we have a lot of amazing guest stars

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<v Speaker 2>in this one. It is a we have a bad

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<v Speaker 2>This is a nice classic, but in the future, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have Stabler, all right, So we open up

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<v Speaker 2>on this mom and little kid, and she does say

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<v Speaker 2>that Jews and Gentiles don't care about their children, so

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<v Speaker 2>we know there's some problems happening, and say that what.

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<v Speaker 3>They are they're romany.

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<v Speaker 2>They're Romany, and then the whole episode everyone does keep

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<v Speaker 2>calling them gypsies, and everyone hates gypsies.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not going to continue using that word, but we

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<v Speaker 3>need you to know.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a full on ethnic and race war happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>They're definitely considered very other because they're Romany, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny that she's lumping Jews in with the Gentiles.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they don't. No one likes the Jews eye

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<v Speaker 3>that were like our own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe the Jews because they need someone to hate,

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<v Speaker 2>they hate throw them.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get into it with the real crime. I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. But I never was raised to not like gypsies.

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<v Speaker 3>No a yeah, but when we grew up that's what

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<v Speaker 3>they were called, and we I never I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's weird about how we're not supposed to say

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<v Speaker 2>it is I on TLC that.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a show they watched my on call My

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<v Speaker 1>Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, like they still play.

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<v Speaker 2>It, And I really don't like the traditional gender roles

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<v Speaker 2>in that community. There's a lot of because they make

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<v Speaker 2>the girls be sluts at dances, but then they can't fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they're supposed to have children. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>really twist day. But their dresses are really big. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they had a spin off of the dressmaker, the

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<v Speaker 2>dressmaker from the weddings whatever, So we're gonna have some

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<v Speaker 2>problems here.

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<v Speaker 3>So the mom we learned that the boy who is

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Too young but fourth grade and he's gonna go to

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<v Speaker 2>school for the first time all alone, which I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in the suburbs, doesn't seem like a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to take the G train from Jin to

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<v Speaker 2>the J which I've maybe taken the J train twice

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<v Speaker 2>for six years I lived, and then go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Lower East Side to school and come on back. But

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<v Speaker 2>they practiced for a whole week. The mom is nervous,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have a plan. He has a cell phone

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<v Speaker 2>and he has a rabbit's foot for good luck. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we see a man in a brown leather jacket

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<v Speaker 2>following him. So we're like, oh no, oh no, oh

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<v Speaker 2>no oh no, it's his father just testing you out twists,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a cute dad. So it does like help

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<v Speaker 2>us relax a little bit. And he has little mittens.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just like super super cute. He does make it

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<v Speaker 2>to school. The teacher again overly involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey you knows everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like a cool dork. And then we're at

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<v Speaker 2>school and people are mean to him and the Roman. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but doesn't your mom tell fortunes? Yeah, which if I

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<v Speaker 2>had a friend with a four, Like, if I knew

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<v Speaker 2>someone's mom was a fortune seller, I'd be like amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>let me come, we get in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My family is very secretive, so we don't discuss things openly.

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<v Speaker 3>But I learned recently that my.

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<v Speaker 2>Grandmother in Russia was a fortune teller type woman and

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<v Speaker 2>people she never accepted money, but people would bring food

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<v Speaker 2>because it was the Soviet Union, and she never said no,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was like very mystical. And I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>connected to her because I never met her. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I like, no, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So whatever. We have two teen bitches.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a couple guys and one of the teen

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<v Speaker 2>bitches is Lily Reinhart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the most famous tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she's yeah, she's probably in her twenties, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>like a famous teen like in the teen genre of television.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, we see him get bullied. School is over,

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<v Speaker 2>we see him walk dunt dunt done. There's yellow caution

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<v Speaker 2>tape on the train on what is it train entrance? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where he wanted to go in. So now he's confused.

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<v Speaker 2>He does get his cell phone out.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we just see we see him and then we

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<v Speaker 1>see cars pass and then he's not there anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so scary. But also in the background you

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<v Speaker 1>see the bar of the Triple Crown where I used

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<v Speaker 1>to actually do improv in the basement. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what is more tragic in the scene, the child

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<v Speaker 1>going missing or me having to relive that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that actually where they shot that is in Midtown

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<v Speaker 1>near Penn Station, but it was supposed to be Lower

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<v Speaker 1>Norman High.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They play games like this all the time, Sex and

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<v Speaker 3>the City game.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then we have a bad boycott all right. You

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<v Speaker 3>know he's just like, what are these gypsies? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>like he doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, fuck this kid, fuck this hood.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's like, why are you an officer of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand what's happening. Actually I do exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's amazing about this guy is I used to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the show OZ, that was an HBO prison show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did watch it as a child, and my

0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.959
<v Speaker 2>parents should have been they should have been. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>have a funny story. I worked with a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was a regular on OZ. You're in a different show,

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<v Speaker 2>and he told me a tidbit that if you came

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<v Speaker 2>to set late, they would write in a rape scene

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<v Speaker 2>to punish you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone is showing up on time now. Me and

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Matteo l A and he's a comedian. We're

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland, Ohio or Cincinnati, whatever, somewhere in Ohio doing

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<v Speaker 2>morning press for our tour, and on morning news in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>I decide to say that story, oh, because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it's a funny tidbit.

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<v Speaker 2>The like the hosts of the morning show, they turn red,

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<v Speaker 2>their jaws dropped, like everyone on set is so mad

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<v Speaker 2>because I just said rape on morning television as a

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<v Speaker 2>funny story. And so the whole production is silent and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do and they have to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of it, and then Mateo can't handle it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Mateo just is laughing, laughing. I'm like, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>this was funny, and they're like, it's a morning news,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But anyway, OZ is one of my favorite shows.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see the guy who's playing the cop. This

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<v Speaker 2>is where you do better than me, Kara. You write

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<v Speaker 2>the actors names down. I just have nothing. But he

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<v Speaker 2>is the blonde guy. And he played Dean Winters, who's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously an SVU favorite. Yeah, he's Mayhem. If you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was Tina Fey's boyfriend in thirty Rock.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big I'm a huge Dean Winters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I go, oh, this actor was Dean Winter's

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<v Speaker 2>brother in there are like Irish the O'Malley's or O'Reilly's

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<v Speaker 2>or something in OZ and you look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>They're brothers in real life. Ye, Scott William Winters. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All these years I've been watching Austin's Junior High and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know they were related.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's this guy named Doom that they call.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Robert Doom, Dumas and he's I guess

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<v Speaker 1>been in a few episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he goes these people, the kid isn't missing, This

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<v Speaker 2>is a cop, This is just a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cor There's also, by the way, a mob outside, like

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<v Speaker 1>the kid's been missing for a few hours, is already pressed.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a mob, And I'm like, I know that they

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<v Speaker 1>do consider themselves like a more of a disenfranchised group

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<v Speaker 1>the romani But like that is that's white kid missing reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think people are always like why aren't they showing up

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<v Speaker 1>when black and brown kids go missing? You know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are in this episode, like there's a full press

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<v Speaker 1>court like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think the press is like who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, But that's like the vibe we get, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, that they're not taking as as and

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<v Speaker 3>we have Amorrow and Benson at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're wondering who our detectives are, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>explain to the cops like we practiced.

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<v Speaker 3>All week, we saved our money. We took him to

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<v Speaker 3>this far school.

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<v Speaker 2>The teacher saw him, you know, and they're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how this kid has caught in between two worlds. That's

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<v Speaker 2>like what the teacher slash principal is like a door

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<v Speaker 2>key guy. So there's no witnesses, no leads, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they start checking in with the sexual registry in the

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood to see if any pedophiles were involved.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also mention that there's this man in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood named the Rombaro who they have they've stopped paying

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<v Speaker 1>tides to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the king of the Romani and basically

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, well, this is another insulting thing. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know where these people live, and they named a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of countries. They are like one of the Stands

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<v Speaker 2>or Estonia or Lithuania or whatever. So the Rombani in

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<v Speaker 2>New York is like the Umborrow Roar. The Rombarro is

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<v Speaker 2>like the connector of the Romani community in America to

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<v Speaker 2>their community in Europe. And you have to pay tithes

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<v Speaker 2>like this is fucking robin hood.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's also kind of like what the mafia would do.

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<v Speaker 1>The mob would like make you pay like a monthly

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<v Speaker 1>advance to like make sure your store doesn't get robbed

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<v Speaker 1>or make sure you're you know, oh I didn't know that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like what the whole movie The Kitchen, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible movie is about, well, what a great cast.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so sad it's a bad movie.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Tiffany Haddish, Elizabeth Moss and miss Elissa McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>and I just yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Went in and out. But yeah, like that's that's like

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<v Speaker 3>a mob thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like they stopped paying their tied so they

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<v Speaker 1>could send Nico to this school in Manhattan. And the

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<v Speaker 1>mom is like furious at the dad being like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone is scared of this guy, but you decide

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<v Speaker 2>not to fucking payor tithe right.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess who plays the Rombarro say.

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<v Speaker 1>His name Hector Salamanca baby from Breaking Bad. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>old man with the little bell in the desert. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was thrilling.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he makes me scared even to see it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's like he's got a really like a

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<v Speaker 1>presence of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're dead on with that, because even like

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<v Speaker 2>with a little bell in a wheelchair, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was scared, like he's going to do something bad. He's

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<v Speaker 1>still scared me, even when he was like paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is an amazing actress. So he's like I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the bell guy from Breaking Bad. So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be calling him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he nominated, and he nominated for that role. Really, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you won.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, he says that the family doesn't associate with

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<v Speaker 2>us anymore. They don't get our If they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>our protection, they don't get our fucking protection. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're but he says that he would never hurt a child,

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<v Speaker 2>and a part of me believes him. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's stupid. So the gray Is are outcast, so

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<v Speaker 2>that sucks for them. This family, they're outcasts in america

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<v Speaker 2>secular culture, and then they're also outcasts in the Romani community.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're just like full on. But so the dad

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<v Speaker 2>now runs outside and he goes he's alive. He's alive,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like, what's going on. So basically they keep

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<v Speaker 2>calling Nico's cell phone and the messages were full, and

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<v Speaker 2>now the messages aren't full. So we're like, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>our son is listening to these messages.

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<v Speaker 3>He is alive and deleting them. Yeah, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>get the surprise of a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Gilbert Godfrey couldn't believe it, and his voice less annoying

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<v Speaker 2>than normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he really worked on down a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not an Iago level.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's not bringing us full of Yago. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's an IT guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's on two episodes total of SVU as this character

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<v Speaker 1>who's like an IT guy.

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a lot of information. We got an

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<v Speaker 2>IP addressing.

0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Now we do this, and then we do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes through like a full plan and he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing so much exposition, and I'm like, okay, Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just get us to where we need to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically where we need to be as a Chinese restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the something with the IP address of the

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone is ordering Chinese food. So they go to

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<v Speaker 2>this Chinese restaurant and the worker at the Chinese restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>is an Svu, a lum of a different episode where

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<v Speaker 2>she plays the parent of a killer because yes, who

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>like cuts off legs, So well, I think we'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>handle that one one day. But so we have a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an SVU legend legend.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know her name or I forgot her name,

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<v Speaker 3>but we'll be talking about early legend.

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<v Speaker 2>So they go to this she said that she did

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<v Speaker 2>hear a kid crying in the background when they order

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<v Speaker 2>the food. Yeah, no, They also complain the food was

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<v Speaker 2>too spicy. The kid was crying the food's too spicy.

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<v Speaker 1>Svews like ears perk up because they're like, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has a kid, like you know.

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>So they don't go and they grab this guy, British

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 2>accent guy. We find out he's a journalist and that

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.120
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to help. He's deleting these messages to help.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't he's hacked in yeah, the messages. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer of the journalist is the guy from Sex and

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<v Speaker 2>the City that worked at Vogue that made a pass

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<v Speaker 2>that carried for all our dual listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the actor is the lawyer of the journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>And basically, yeah, the journalist is hacking shit, and he

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>thought deleting the messages would leave room for people to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Reach the book to get information.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cabot wants the guy's notes, and you know, journalists

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<v Speaker 2>like their freedom. So the journalist doesn't want to give

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<v Speaker 2>the notes, and Cabots like, give me the notes. And

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>so some tall Manda is there, Cabot, the lawyer. They're

0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>all fighting. The boy is missing, let's help them. So

0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.399
<v Speaker 2>we see that the deleted messages were all from the parents.

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 2>The parents do not know where the boy is, so

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.120
<v Speaker 2>they don't know if it's an inside job. They asked

0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the FEDS to hear what's an next he hacked into

0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:00.639
<v Speaker 2>other things?

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 3>What is happening?

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.560
<v Speaker 2>So basically what we figure out I don't know with

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 2>what evidence. It's kind of all a blur to me

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.040
<v Speaker 2>with all the tech talk. But they show up at

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.359
<v Speaker 2>this like witchy woman's house and basically they're saying that

0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:20.679
<v Speaker 2>her son, Marco Mark Mark, that he's done something. So

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:25.640
<v Speaker 2>we discover that she has a son who has special

0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>needs that she has locked in a basement.

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 1>He's also a large guy, He's a little bit bigger,

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.080
<v Speaker 1>so I think they're worried that, you know, he could

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 1>have maybe hurt someone not knowing what he was doing.

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Also, like, no matter what your kid is, like, when

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 3>do we learn that you just lock a kid in

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.520
<v Speaker 3>a basement. Yeah, it's not in any parenting books I've read.

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.600
<v Speaker 2>But the night before we learned that he was shuffled

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 2>into a handicapped van in the middle of the night

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and taken away.

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 3>So they go to some encampment where.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of romany people, many people live and they

0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:57.640
<v Speaker 1>see him.

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 2>He starts running. They get him. They in to Gate

0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 2>so Rollin's and tomorrow talk to him. The mom told

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 2>him don't talk to cops. She's gonna be pissed that

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 2>he's talking to cops. They're like, Nico, mom is sad,

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 2>you need to help us. He goes, I saw Nico

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.680
<v Speaker 2>on Monday. And he doesn't go anywhere without his mom.

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.119
<v Speaker 2>He can't have people over. So like, what's going on?

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 2>The bell boy man he shows up the rombarro and

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 2>he's also a lawyer.

0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.120
<v Speaker 3>He goes, shut your fucking mouth and stop. Okay.

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 2>So then the cops talk to these two popular girls

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>from earlier and they're letting us know, like we're scared

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>of Mark. Mark's a freak. Mark's dangerous. We see him

0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 2>smoking on his roof all the time. Like they also

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 2>say that they saw Mark with the rabbit foot, so

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>they saw Nico's rabbit foot with Marco. So then they

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 2>get a warrant to go into Marco's room.

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Mark room, and honestly, they do keep him in the basement,

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 1>but he's in a room with like a TV and

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like a bit.

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.239
<v Speaker 3>It's like a nice room even though he's locked down there.

0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not good.

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, I don't boo Radley's side think he's

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<v Speaker 1>into a wall. He's like in his room with computer

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and like playing games, and he's.

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Like, this is my room, Get out of here.

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And then they find so they find a garbage doughnut

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>bag from near Nico's school in his garbage, and they

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.360
<v Speaker 2>also end up finding the rabbit's foot underneath the mattress

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>princess and the peace style just like right in the

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>middle of the bed, which you know, I don't know,

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 2>And they also find an MTA card, so they're going

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to obviously investigate where the MTA card was swiped cut to.

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>They find Nico in a construction site. He is killed,

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 2>so sad we kind of knew, but we find out

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:39.959
<v Speaker 2>he was killed the night he went missing.

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 3>He has dozens of cigarette burns.

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>He was tortured, and they do think it's a novice torture,

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>like not someone that's like experienced and torturing.

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Because burns, Yeah, there's surface level. The birds aren't going deep.

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's someone that's like scared to burn but excited

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.199
<v Speaker 2>to burn. So the wound shows like he peede he

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.240
<v Speaker 2>was so scared, and then he was strangled to death

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 2>with a scarf. So you know, the parents are going

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to blame themselves forever. And that's what I kept thinking of,

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Like they're gonna be like, we shouldn't have let him

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 2>go to school alone.

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 3>What were we thinking? And so the mom is saying, no,

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 3>it's not my son, it's not my son.

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>When she has to identify the body, it's really a

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 1>sad body identification because she's just like, that's not his face.

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 3>But because he's not alive, yeah, god, oh my god.

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.479
<v Speaker 2>So the parents are mad that they haven't charged Marco,

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're also mad that people.

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Keep shut up. They also are mad.

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 2>That keep people keep saying the name Nico because in

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 2>their culture, they believe that his spirit cannot rest if

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>we keep call saying his name. So it's like shut

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 2>those So they're so mad at the cops, so they're like,

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 2>stop saying his name, his spirit will not rest. So

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>then they leave Nico's house and the two popular girls

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>show up again with flowers, and at this point I'm suspicious.

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 3>This is where I get suspicious.

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>They come with flowers, they're planting a tree and getting

0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a collection together.

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 3>So they start talking about Mark.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.679
<v Speaker 2>But the what we learn is Mark's DNA is not

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 2>on the cigarette, but and there's no camera evidence, so

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? Marrow and Rollins are fighting and they

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>can't agree on what's happening. And then Nadia Gray just

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.879
<v Speaker 2>tried to set Mark Rajet on fire.

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Nadia is Nico's mother.

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>She tries to set Mark on fire because she thinks

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he's the guy that killed her son.

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 3>But this is the cost. Then Dean Winter's brother Doom says,

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 3>God looks after kids and idiots. Lucky for him, he's both.

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 3>It's like, not, okay.

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, I love that as you puts these

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>characters in because these are our experiences with officers. You know,

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>they are mean and whatever. I'm not getting into it.

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, we are getting into it NonStop. So

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:45.959
<v Speaker 2>what we learn is the mom tried to burn him

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>to get it back, like I for an eye type style.

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, wait, how did the mom know that

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>her that there was burning that wasn't released anywhere? That

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 2>was like, who fucking told her that it wasn't in

0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the press, It wasn't anywhere. So they're trying to figure

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 2>out who told the mom and then Amorrow fucking figures

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 2>it how and he goes, oh my god, it's the

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 2>fucking popular girls.

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 3>They can tick an Emma.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Emma's one of my favorite names in Courtney

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>is an obvious mean girl name.

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 3>We were on a bachelorette party where the number one

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 3>evil girl was a Courtney kicked out of the wedding subsequently, Yeah,

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 3>which is thrilling.

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>My first bachelorette party and a bitch gets kicked out

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>of a wedding party.

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 3>God's on my side.

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, Amorro's like, these teen girls have been tipping

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>us off. They've been following us, They're everywhere that we are.

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 2>It is these fucking girls. And then they find evidence

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>of the girls on camera seeing Nico by the train

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 2>station and they said that they didn't see him. So

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>now they know that there are lying. And then they

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 2>asked the bellman to help.

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 1>They asked from Barrow to help, and he's like, we

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>don't trust the cops, and the cops are like, trust us.

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 3>So now the Romani and the.

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 2>Cops are going to work together to get these little girls.

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>So now they talk to Mark and so Mark now

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>gives up the info. Yeah, Romborro convinces Mark, like the

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>cops will help you. So what he says is Courtney

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>is so pretty, she had a nice dog.

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Emma's nice.

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.679
<v Speaker 2>They made him stop watching football so he knew it

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>was Monday night. So that's like pretty nice skills. Courtney

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>is an amazing liar. So we find out she gave

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>him a hand job. Yeah, and he talks about it weird.

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>He goes, she touched me and if he goes.

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Stuff came out it felt funny but nice. I'm like, yeah,

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the gist of a hand job.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't think it should feel funny.

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Stuff comes out feels nice, but yeah.

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow's like, how do you remember that? And he's like,

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I got my first hand job? What do you mean

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a woman made me come? I'll remember that forever. It

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>was football, And then you know, Emma starts to so,

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>this is my favorite s view thing where they get

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>one person to sit out in the squad room and

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 2>then they get the other person in to bring.

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>A mess them by the other person, so they play

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>them off each other to make it make them paranoid.

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Why the fuck is here? Yeah, so Emma obviously starts crying.

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>She says it was Courtney and Courtney's Lily Reinhart. She goes,

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were just playing around with him, and

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>then she wouldn't stop. She lit a cigarette. Emma said no,

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 2>she tried to stop, but it didn't and he was

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>crying and he was calling to his mom, and we're

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>learning that this is a common thing, and it's so sad.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>It's also like common that one person goes completely off

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>while the other person just stands there and is like,

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to stop you.

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to do.

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've seen a few episodes like that

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and read about a few real cases like that.

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I just can't imagine standing there, even as a teen,

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>and watching my friend burn a little boy.

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I really can't and then choke him to death. I

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>was a follower, you know. I wanted uggs, want I

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>had a choker necklace. It's not like I'm some.

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Leader of independence, right, you know. I wanted the same

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>things as everyone. I was a Backstreet Boys fan. But

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I really don't think i'd watch my friend burne a child.

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Who knows.

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I just I think my parents raised me a little

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>better than watching someone murder someone whatever. So then because

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>he was calling for his mom, Corney grabbed his scarf

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and I was yelling no, and then Courtney said whatever,

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>He's just another gipsy.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 3>No one will miss him. So she's racist as well

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 3>as being a slice. So this is a fucking hate crime.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>So then they come out they're like, Emma told us everything.

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>You're a dumb bitch and Courtney goes, stupid, little bitch,

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>it was just a joke. We were just fooling around

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 2>with him, and he started crying and made it look

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 2>like he wasn't he was gonna tell, so I shut

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>him up. So she shocked Mark snitch. She goes, oh

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>that's weird. Why did he switch? I gave him so

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>much fun like.

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 3>She the only funnies ever had. Yeah, so she's evil.

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>We could tell, you know, ice in her veins, sociopath forever,

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>there is no helping And then the dad goes, we

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>should get a lawyer, and she goes, it's a little

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>late for that, dad. So she also has a sense

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of humor. Nothing better than a teen killer with a

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>with a joke. Yeah, she's funny as hell. You know,

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Courtney is cold. Benson asks why and she says why

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>why not?

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Evil teen stare that we watch us View four yeah,

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the end of the episode. Ye, so she's definitely

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>like a sociopath who would have killed again, I'm sure,

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. I mean if you could kill a fourth

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>grade boy with for no reason, when you'd kill everyone,

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's fourteen, it's wild.

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 3>So that's yeah, but crazy episode. And I know nothing

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>about the crime, so I can't wait.

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>The crime this is based on is horrible, but I'm

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>going to walk you through it when we get back.

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Hi, guys, we missed you.

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the true crime that Lost Travelers based on.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So this episode was clearly influenced by the murder of

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Liby Kletzky in Brooklyn, which happened four months before this

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>episode aired, so you know, they had the writers just

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like in the room.

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>So it was in over the summer, so it was

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>like a quick turnaround, not just like oh wow, what

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>a coincidence.

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>No, okay, yeah, it's like definitely related. This happened in

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>this crime happened in July. The episode aired in November,

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>so it's like four months difference. And I'm going to

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>get into that case in a second, but I first

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to touch briefly on another case that this

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>episode borrowed from so the part about the journalist checking

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Nico's phone and deleting the messages and erasing them is

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>ripped from the case of Millie Dowler, who was a

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old girl in England. She was murdered in

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two by a serial killer named Levi Bellfield,

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>who has confessed to He's confessed to killing her, but

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>he's also denied it. He's like crazy, He's killed other

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>girls as well, and he was already in jail for

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>life for other crimes when they convicted him. And in

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, The Guardian reported that Scotland Yard, which is

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the police in London, had discovered that various

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>journalists who worked for News of the World and the

0:31:56.080 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>paper's own private investigator, Glenn Mulkare, had hacked into Elly's voicemail,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>listened to messages and deleted them, giving her family and

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>authorities the false hope that Millie was still alive, just

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>like they did.

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>And was it the same He had the same goal

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>why he was doing it.

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was doing it to get information for the

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>story because it was a hugely sensational story like they were.

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>But this wasn't discovered for years later, like her body

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>was found in O two and it wasn't until twenty

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>eleven that this actually came out, but they did it

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>way earlier and later it was discovered actually that her

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>phone automatically deletes messages that have been listened to within

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>seventy two.

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Hours, so they weren't actually deleting them.

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's still massively like fucked up that they would

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>be hacking into a missing girl's cell phone and listening

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to messages. It seems like it's also a complete like

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>hindrance of a police investigation as well.

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I also just realized why I know Scotland yard and

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>it's from one hundred and one Dalmatians, So that's pretty embarrassing.

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Carrie, yeah, I know that the police in London.

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I know, how else were they gonna find

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 3>those dogs?

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>So this actually was part of a major scandal. So

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>News of the World is owned by Australian slimeball Rupert Murdoch,

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>who also owns a little propaganda network you may have

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>heard of called Fox News, and they were like known

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>for hacking. They would hack royal celebrities, politicians like all

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 3>That's what sucks. So soopaths win.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Our society is built for evil, soulless people to win.

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like so fucked up. Yeah in every career. Yeah,

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>well some people did fall from this, but you're route

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>not enough. So when it was discovered that they had

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>actually hacked this missing and ultimately murdered schoolgirl's phone, and

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>they had also hacked victims of the two thousand and

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>five London bombing, I think people were like, Okay, they've

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>officially gone too far. So everybody, advertisers boycotted, people were

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>freaking out, and the whole paper was shut down.

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 3>News of the World was shut down.

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there were a bunch of like high profile

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>resignation and I think somebody actually was convicted of something

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like the editor in chief. It's actually a wild story

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>if you feel like poking around the internet. I'm not

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>going to get too much more into it because it

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:09.919
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to do with this s forview, but that's

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>where they borrowed that little section from really kind of insane.

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>But this episode is obviously more heavily based on the

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>murder of an eight year old Hasidic Jewish boy in

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven named Lebi Kletzki. I lived in New York

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>City when this happened, and it was so terrible, Like

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I just remember hearing that he was missing, and then

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>they found him very quickly, and it was just like

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a very very horrific crime. And you just saw the

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>photo everywhere of him in New York on the news

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>with like his little pais because he's like a little hauscid,

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like so so cute, like innocent little boy.

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's you know, they just changed the community a

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 2>little bit. But the Jews are also like an other

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>exactly exactly.

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 1>They switched it up, which I think is what's funny

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>about her saying the Jews don't care about their children.

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's like this is based on the crime happening

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>in the Jewish community at the beginning of the episode.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 1>So the crime took place in Brooklyn, specific in Borough Park,

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>which is a huge Jewish population. Some say it's the

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>biggest Jewish population outside of Israel. And Libi was walking

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>home from a day camp that was at his school.

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>He was by himself for the first time. He and

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>his mother had practiced just like in the show, and

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>they'd practice the route. They had a predetermined meeting spot

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and this was very common in this neighborhood apparently, like

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the crime rate is very low. A lot of the

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>families have tons of kids. They kind of just let

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>them like go out in the streets together and play,

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and like they have a lot of independence the kids, well.

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Because no one really goes into the neighborhood. And when

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I lived in Williamsburg and we would buy or like walk

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 2>around where it became super religious. Like the kids didn't

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>go pet cute dogs like they didn't. They don't really

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>interact with other people with other people even on the

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>train or anything. So it does create a sense of safety.

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel they do have a very insular community where

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they don't interact with me, you know, I'm except when

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a Jewish holiday and they're like, are you Jewish?

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 3>I just want to give you a prayer. Always come out.

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>It's with the lulav and the men.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>They always are like a Jewish and I always go no,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>even it's just like I'm busy.

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 2>They give away little books and stuff, but they they

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>are an insular community, so I can understand the illusion

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of safety.

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also it was a super short walk.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I actually Google mapped it, like It's was six small

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>blocks and one avenue. He basically just had to make

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>his way over one avenue and then walk down six

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>bucks to meet his mom. Unfortunately, he never took that turn.

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>He just kept walking and he walked like five avenues

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>out of the way. So he was supposed to go

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:26.720
<v Speaker 1>on to thirteenth Avenue.

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 5>He ends up.

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:28.919
<v Speaker 3>You know this happened to me when I was a kid.

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, I for some reason, I forgot my basketball

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 2>and so I went back to school. I lived close

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to the elementary school, and I got my basketballt of

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>my like cubby or whatever. But then I walked the

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>other direction, like I just didn't understand. I know I

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>had to walk just straight, but I walked straight the

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>other way and I passed like a giant busy street,

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 2>and I was like.

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 3>What has happened before?

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.919
<v Speaker 2>And then when I the fucking crossing guard finally saw

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>me crossing guard patch, she like screamed at me. But

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>it is interesting, Yeah, like kid brains are dumb.

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 3>We just no.

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So to me, all I thought was straight line, but

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't assess where.

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Because he overshot it by like five avenues. That's like

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a pretty long and I think he was. There's a

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of video surveillance of him looking like disoriented, like

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>he definitely didn't know where he was. So Libee's mother

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Esther first called the Borough Park Chamrim, which are kind

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>of like police, but they're more like community patrols in

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Hasidic neighborhoods. New York Magazine did like a really amazing

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>piece where they sort of focused on this guy named

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>Yakov German who he might have been the inspiration for

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the Romboro, Like he was definitely like a figure in

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>this community, had a lot of real estate holdings, had

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>twelve kids, and had like a defiant personality, like he

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>had kind of clashed with the Chamrem before, so they

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>were doing all this stuff where they were like we

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>need I think the Chamram was like we just need

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to sweep the streets or whatever, and he was like, no,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>we need to like retrace his steps, like we need

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 1>to go back to what happened.

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 3>So he ammediately enough people to do both.

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, right, But this guy specifically went to the school,

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>got the camera footage, then walked on forty fourth Street

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>like the whole end, got camera footage from every business

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that he could find.

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 3>So he's actually amazing.

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like honestly, he helped sort of streamline how quickly.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>So they did not contact the police yet, like the

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 2>NYPD at this point.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that the search at the beginning is a

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>combination of NYPD and the Shamre. So they have been

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>contact that he's missing, but I'll tell you when they

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of bring the police in.

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 3>More So, everyone assumed.

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>That Libey had been taken by like an outsider, And

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>it turned out when he missed thirteenth Avenue, he just

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:33.399
<v Speaker 1>walked all the way to eighteenth Avenue, and that's where

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>he met Levi Aaron, who was another member of the

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Hasidic community. This man's thirty five years old, a supply

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>store clerk who lived less than two miles from the Klutzkis,

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.839
<v Speaker 1>and he had promised to give the boy a ride

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to a Jewish bookstore where he knew how to get

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>home from there. So that's the thing. It's like everybody

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>assumed it was this outsider, but he went up to

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a guy that he thought he could trust, Like he

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>went up to a guy with like a beard and

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like a yamagun like who looked like he could trust him.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't recognize the religious man. He just said, Oh,

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>that's one of mine, that's one of my p just said,

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that's one of my people.

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 3>That's who like.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>That's why his parents have taught him. And I think

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that's what people like. Ask another Jew. So there's video

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>of them chatting, and then there's video of Libby waiting

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>for him for seven minutes while he goes into a

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>dentist's office and then they get into his Honda Accord

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>or his handa.

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't actually know if it was a Cord. I'm editorializing.

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>They got into his like old ass car, and then

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>he drives him to a wedding in Monsey, New York,

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>which is like a little hamlet, like an hour and

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:37.760
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes up the Palisades Parkway. That's like a Jewish community.

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Don't know why nobody at the wedding sees Liby, so

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>he probably left him in the car. But there is

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a video surveillance of him at a gas station, and

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.879
<v Speaker 1>the guy at the gas station said he didn't seem

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like he was struggling, he didn't seem upset. He just

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>went into the bathroom with the kid. They went and

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>they peed, they came out. They were in there for

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>like a minute. So the gas station tenant said Libby

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't look scared and he seemed totally fine. They were

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to Aaron's apartment in Brooklyn that night, and he had

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>planned to return him like he really wasn't out for blood.

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.439
<v Speaker 3>Why did he take him to months before taking him home.

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:14.320
<v Speaker 1>It's all completely unexplained because so right now everyone is

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>running around looking for this boy, and he ris well.

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>So he goes home to Brooklyn the next day, he

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>ties Liby up and leaves him in his apartment all

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>day while he goes to his shift at work. And

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 1>when he's at his shift, that when he goes to work,

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 1>is when he notices the hysteria about everybody looking for him,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>like posters everywhere of his face.

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Listen.

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>I understand that he didn't realize the hooplah until maybe

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the next morning, but.

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Tying a kid in your room is not.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>He took him to a wedding, no one cares, He

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>brought him home and tied I just seem like horrified.

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's terrible, like and he like thousands

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of thousands people are looking for this little boy. And

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>so what's crazy too, is in this article I was

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>reading Yakoff, German. This guy I was telling you about

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 1>who did all the surveillance. He called a friend who

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>he had been in touch with who was a famous

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>psychic rabbi, and that rabbi had come to the conclusion

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>after consulting some sacred texts, that the boy would be

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>found in Kensington, the area of Brooklyn called Kensington, which

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is where the guy who took him lived, which is

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy. I just wanted to it for you,

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the mystic. I wanted to bring out the spiritual psychic rabbi.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 1>So when he got home from work, he was completely

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>panicking that everyone was looking for Liby. So he gave

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 1>him a tune of sandwich that had a lethal cocktail

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>of drugs like antipsychotic, muscle relaxer and pain killers, and

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it's probably whatever he had on hand. And then he

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>smothered him and then he dismembered his body. There was

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>no sign of sexual assault, so I'm not going to

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 1>get into all that, but he was trying to get

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>rid of the body by dismembering it. Now, I have

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to say, the cops moved pretty quickly on this, Like

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>this kid went missing Monday night. They were busting down

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Aaron's door at one thirty in the morning on Wednesday morning.

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>That's like thirty six hours that they were able to

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>track this guy down because of the sky yak off

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>drum and being like, I know, who's got a store

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>close to this area, and he's got security cameras, let's

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>get the footage. And that was when they brought the

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>cops into. The cops like were helping them get all

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the footage.

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>I just don't care how you go from well just

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>casually to I need a kill. It's like you wouldn't

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>go to jail for that much. I'm sure the Jews

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 2>would actually be like just.

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Happy to literally I wrote, what's crazy is that he

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>had no apparent motive for taking this kid, Like zero motive.

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not like he is a creepy. Maybe he

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 2>does have crimes in the past that we just don't

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 2>know about. Well, I'll get into it. Seems you're right,

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 2>it seems like a nervous thing. But it's like if

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>he just released the boy.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 3>No exactly exactly.

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 1>So when the police got to his house, Livey's feet

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>are in the freezer and then the rest of his

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>body was in a suitcase that he had dumped a

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>few blocks away, so he obviously got a psych evaluation

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>at Bellevue which called Aaron's mood neutral, like his personality

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>was practically blank, which I think is kind of creepy.

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>He claims to have suffered a head injury as a child,

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and like every article that I read, everything I read

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>was like his friends would always be like yeah, and

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>then he would show us the scar from his head injury.

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Like he said after he had this injury, that the

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>story constantly changed, like sometimes it was that he fell

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>off his bike. Sometimes it was that a car knocked

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>him off his bike, all these different scenarios, but.

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 3>He always said that he was never the same after

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 3>this accident.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>So he said he was embarrassed about hearing voices in

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 1>his head, but that the voices didn't command him to

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>do anything. So they didn't diagnose him with like straight

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>up schizophrenia or anything. But he was diagnosed with an

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>adjustment disorder. And I'll just read, like per WebMD, what

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>an adjustment disorder is defined as a short term condition

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>that happens when you have great difficulty managing with or

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>adjusting to a particular source of stress, such as a

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>major life change, loss or event, and then in twenty

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen this was actually changed from adjustment disorder to stress

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>response syndrome, so he was also diagnosed with a personality

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>disorder with schizoid features. And the report also noted that

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>he spent most of his life alone online and made

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of recordings of himself doing karaoke.

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Do they say what songs?

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he liked a lot of pop disco rock like

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff that was like popular.

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I think, so this just makes no sense. Oh yeah, Journey.

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 3>I read that he liked Journey. I read in one article.

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>It seems like I got the vibe of like, you

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>know Courtney's answer of why and she goes why not?

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Like HD you do this?

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>He literally said about like why did you pick up

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Liby to begin with? And he was like I thought

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I knew him, But people said that he had no

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>ability to distinguish. He could tell you somebody he knew,

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't tell you whether they were a friend

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 1>of his or not.

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Like he just didn't.

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>This clearly is a person with mental issues like that

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>are maybe not as cut and dry explainable as like

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 1>schizophrenia or voices, or like psychotic violent tendencies but if

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>he has this adjustment disorder, like a stressful situation was

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>at hand, which as you have taken a boy who

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone is looking for and he just freaked out and

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 1>was like got got it rid of it.

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Because in theory, okay, the tying up is weird. But

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>if he came home and untied him and was like,

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I found the boy. I found him last night. I

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 2>kept him. I didn't know what was up, right, he

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>would have gone.

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Away with it.

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the fear of getting it's really upsetting.

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Like also the fear of getting caught followed by like

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a plan that was completely incompetent to get rid of

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the body, do you know what I mean, Like just

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>blood everywhere, like like just it's crazy plan.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like not that one murder's worse than another.

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like they're all pretty upsetting, and especially to the

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.240
<v Speaker 2>family is in person, but it is so much harder

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to listen to like no, I don't know it just happened.

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is crazy.

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just easier to digest when it's like this is

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>a psychopathic killer or someone che did someone was angry,

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 2>they have control, they're abusive.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I got it.

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 2>This is so much harder to digest because it just

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>So sad that he went to the one person on

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the street he thought he could trust, Like he could

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 1>have gone up to a woman wearing like jeans and

0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt, but he's like, she's not part of

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>my world, and he went up to the guy that's

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>part of his world, and he was the.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:07.479
<v Speaker 3>One that so like. So he obviously has a team

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 3>of lawyers.

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>One of his lawyers quits because he's like, this crime

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>is too heinous, like I can't. His other two lawyers

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>were very green, like one of them had only had

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>one homicide case and the other had only had six,

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 1>and the judge had to scold them for openly talking

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>about the trial on Facebook and for talking to the

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>press too much. So like he had a bad late

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>legal team. But then they brought in another lawyer, this

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>guy Howard Greenberg, who was doing it pro bono and

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>was much more experienced. But then he got in hot

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>water when he said, look, everybody knows when blood relations

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>have offspring, there can be genetic defects. There's inbreeding in

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that community of the Saciitic community, which I'm like, is

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>there I didn't know that. I didn't think that was

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a thing like marrying your cousin or whatever.

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but I like in places like months here

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, if it's a small community, yeah, you're ben

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 2>a fuck a cousin.

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I think that's just what happens. Well, he got

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>in trouble for that, but you're not going to So

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>they were going for an instant defense.

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 2>But I just don't think it's specific to that community.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I just think if you're in a small ass area,

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 2>you're more likely to fuck a cousin. I think that's

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 2>where the you know, Southern people. Yeah, that stereotypes come from.

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, if you're in a town of three

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred and you're not going to travel or go anywhere,

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 2>you might fuck a family member.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true, you're not wrong.

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 1>So they were going to go for an insanity defense,

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>but Aaron ended up pleading guilty for a sentence of

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>forty years to life, which the Kletzky family was fine

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>with because they wanted to avoid a trial. They did

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>sue him for one hundred million dollars in civil court,

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and Levi Aarin will not be eligible for parole till

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifty one, and I don't think he'll probably ever

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>see freedom. That was just such a highly publicized case.

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he'll ever be out. His family was

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>completely ostracized by the community, and his sister Sarah, who

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>was suffering from schizophrenia, actually ended up killing herself, so

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 1>there was mental illness in the family for sure. This

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 1>is a wild twist. Six years later, in June of

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, Aaron's brother, this killer's brother, sav Aaron, who

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 1>also lived in the house where Libby was murdered, was

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>found dead, bound with duct tape, wrapped in a blanket

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and stuffed in a basement closet. So this is like wild.

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>It happens in the same house, and a spokesperson for

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>the medical Examiner's office said the cause of death is

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>undetermined and the manner of death is undetermined. An undetermined

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>classification means that the medical examiner that has concluded the

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.240
<v Speaker 1>investigation and cannot rule with certainty after taking into account

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>all the available information and any test results. So the

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:43.439
<v Speaker 1>investigation was just dropped, like they can't determine cause of death,

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>so he just I googled this. His death was reported

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 1>in some major outlets. The follow up is reported in

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.879
<v Speaker 1>one outlet that I found called the Brooklyn Paper, where

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>they were like talking to other lawyers where who are unrelated,

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and some of the lawyers were like, this sounds like

0:48:58.239 --> 0:48:58.839
<v Speaker 1>a cover up.

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 3>The medical examiner always finds a cause of death, like, well,

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 3>it's also this thing.

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like he's what you said, tied, gag taped, you know,

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like there's obviously foul play. He didn't he didn't tape

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>himself and tie himself up, so to not have any investigation,

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't just say there's no cause.

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's clearly an outside cause, right some states under

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the tongue, well, some say it's possible he was tortured,

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 1>and like I guess some have compared it to the

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 1>case of Auto Warmbeiner whatever his name is, when he

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.879
<v Speaker 1>went to North Korea and they kept him, remember the guy,

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and then he died.

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:34.479
<v Speaker 3>They were sending him back to the US and he died.

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 1>They were never able to determine his cause of death

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 1>because he had been tortured for so long that it

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>was just like various parts of his brain were just

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like decomposed, like so I don't know, they were like

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 1>if this guy was tortured, he could have had a

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.439
<v Speaker 1>heart attack, but like a heart attack you can tell

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>in a medical exam. Well, also, nobody's covering this because.

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the problem with the medical examiner. And this is

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I learned this from doctor Michael Badden and some of

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>his investigations because people to him to be like fuck,

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 2>so what happens is like I remember one case where

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 2>a sister of a victim was like, his wife did this,

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 2>but because of the death certificate said natural causes, the

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 2>police cannot investigate. And so doctor Michael Baden had to

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 2>come in like prove that there was foul play so

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 2>then the investigation could be open and prove that it

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 2>was his wife. And it was and she's like a

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 2>murderer for money. Yeah, and so this might when there's

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like foul play or the cover up. It's like if

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the medical examiner said the death is fine, there's no

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>foul play, then they cannot invest it.

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what's crazy.

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's like because they couldn't determine this cause of death,

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 1>there just was no investigation, Like did they think this

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 1>guy bound himself up and put himself in a clause?

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 3>So I guess they can't prove he didn't, so are

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 3>their theories.

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Do people think it's like the Hasidic community just getting

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>rid of this person. Some people said that they thought

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>it might have been, you know, yeah, retribution for what

0:50:57.880 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>his brother did.

0:50:58.600 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 3>But also people suggest.

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.319
<v Speaker 1>That he could have mental illness, like there were other

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 1>people in the family with mental illness. I don't know

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 1>if you're mentally ill that you bind yourself your legs

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 1>with duct tape and throw yourself in a closet until

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 1>you die.

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.479
<v Speaker 3>I don't really understand, like or if that it happened,

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 3>it would have been starvation or whatever suffocation.

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it just seems like a giant cover up.

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just I think people are like, we're

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 1>just not gonna because.

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 2>This isn't the police of the this is like the

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.760
<v Speaker 2>natural medical examiner.

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Jurisdiction.

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it also might be like a New York

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 2>thing where it's like I remember this case, fuck this guy,

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I could.

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Have I mean, I don't know it it does.

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 1>It's scary like if you had a sibling who killed people,

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:43.839
<v Speaker 1>would you be like, I guess people have to kill

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:45.760
<v Speaker 1>me now, Like I get I have to die. Also,

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I would change my last name and get the fucking

0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>did That's the thing. They all live in the same

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 1>house where it happened, and obviously people like avoided that house,

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and it was like they said, people were like, you know,

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it was like a haunted house in the neighborhood.

0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the kids would ding dong ditch or whatever.

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>It's really crazy, Like I could only find like one

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>source on it.

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just wild. But anyway, it's just.

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Scary because to think of that a medical examiner or

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:16.279
<v Speaker 2>someone that is sole purpose is to help the dead

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 2>can so easily just go nah.

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, they were saying, this happens sometimes the medical examiner

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>can't determine and I was like.

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.280
<v Speaker 3>But in this case, that seems strange.

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I understand if a body has been mummified or a

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>body has been burned beyond recognition where you can't like

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:37.319
<v Speaker 1>you can't find ligature strangulation marks or whatever. I kind

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of understand that stuff. But this seems like it would

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 1>have been a pre purpose. Yeah, it's crazy.

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of did you watch that note like

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the drug scandal police Investigator one? It was a story

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 2>both happened in Massachusetts, but these two drug examiners for

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the state were just like fully falsifying.

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is on Netflix, Yeah, fully falsify information.

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 3>One was a drug addict and stealing the drugs.

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 2>One was just trying to get promotions and was just

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 2>like trying to get in with the prosecution and the

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.760
<v Speaker 2>cops and be like, I'll get like they purposely requested

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 2>her and be like, you know what we need and

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 2>she'd be like got.

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:13.759
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't testing shit.

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And so it's amazing that case got blown up and

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>we were able to see.

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But it is scary to.

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Think how many corrupt investigators, people with personal vendettas whatever,

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and how they have the power to just say case shut.

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is pretty fuck to think about that.

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And just like the New York posts, like the

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>New York Times, all these outlets were covering the murder

0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of Lebi Klitsky, and you just would have assumed that

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>they would also be as interested in his murderer's brother

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:45.920
<v Speaker 1>possibly being murdered.

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.799
<v Speaker 2>And this also does not bode well for Jewish stereotypes

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of Jews controlling everything, because yeah, if the Jews wanted

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 2>him dead and now all all the papers and everyone's

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 2>like we're not talking about it.

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 3>It's like, uh oh, this doesn't look good for stereotypes.

0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>The Illuminati covered up this murder. Yeah, all right, guys,

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 1>we've got another one of our Trademark interviews, So let's

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 1>get ready for our guest. We're so excited we got

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk to this actor.

0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:24.800
<v Speaker 3>He is so great. I mean, he is prolific.

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>He has starred in Goodwill Hunting in a role that

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:28.759
<v Speaker 1>is unforgettable.

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 3>He was in the groundbreaking.

0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 1>HBO series Oz and is currently a recurring character on

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Narcos on Netflix. So guys, you're gonna love him. Please

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 1>stay tuned for our interview with Scott William Winters and

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>The Lost Traveler. He's kind of like a sure, how

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 1>do you describe him? He really did not care for

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the community, No, the romani community.

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.360
<v Speaker 5>When I think of Doom. Yeah, he's a total knucklehead

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 5>with how he sees life. But you can still fall

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 5>in love with knuckleheads. It's mine.

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well he made I mean, he was funny.

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that's hard is like you kind of

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 2>want to hate him, but then you are laughing at

0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>some of the things that he is.

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Bringing to the table.

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 2>How often do you get asked what it's like working

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:18.400
<v Speaker 2>with your brother, because we're going to ask say it,

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 2>but how often did people ask?

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 5>Frequently? But way more so when OZ, I think was

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 5>on the air.

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:26.879
<v Speaker 3>Right right.

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we kind of put it together like we were

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 1>watching Lost Traveler and we didn't even really realize immediately

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that you guys were brothers. We just saw you were like,

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>oh this do we should have this doom guy on

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 1>our podcast? We were like, they're brothers, Like we didn't

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>really realize.

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I love working with the Dean And I mean

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 5>we've always been close. Friends were super different, but we've

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 5>always been like really close, you know a lot. A

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.759
<v Speaker 5>lot of times I think people who are different, even

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 5>though the default thought is probably that people who are

0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 5>like become friends, but I kind of think, you know,

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.240
<v Speaker 5>kind of a jigsaw type thing. So we've been close.

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:06.840
<v Speaker 5>And Dean was on OZ first, but he really wanted

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 5>me on the show, and so Tom Fontana just brought

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.520
<v Speaker 5>me on. You know, just extreme kind of character. But

0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 5>it was really fun working with Dino on the show

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.439
<v Speaker 5>because you know, we both started acting just a little

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 5>bit later than most. It wasn't like we grew up acting.

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 5>We started in our twenties.

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>What did you do before then? What did you think

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you guys were? What were you going to do?

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.879
<v Speaker 5>Dean was modeling and I rescued him from that. When

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:35.319
<v Speaker 5>I started studying acting, I was working for New York,

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 5>New England Telephone. It was called nine X.

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like, yeah, yeah, I remember.

0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 5>So I wore a suit. I was like a suit

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 5>for a little while. And so I was working it

0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.839
<v Speaker 5>was like a sales kind of systems marketing kind of job.

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 5>And I was just dreadfully, dreadfully bored in my cubicle,

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 5>like freaking out. So I could probably do sales, you know,

0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 5>if I wasn't doing acting, I could probably because I'm

0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:02.200
<v Speaker 5>very super relation and all and I love people. But

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 5>the creativity bug really got me. Yeah, So I did

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:08.720
<v Speaker 5>that before I started acting. Then we both started working

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.879
<v Speaker 5>at bartending and doing various bar gigs in New York

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 5>City while startying acting.

0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 3>So this is I mean, we have to focus on

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:16.080
<v Speaker 3>this sview.

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 2>But for us, such an intense character, such intense scenes,

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>what's it like on set when they cut? Were you

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.440
<v Speaker 2>in character all the time? Would you laugh and be

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>silly after? How does that work with such intense subject matter.

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so many people ask that question.

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well because especially for your character, because there's like

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a voice and a different there's just so much physicality

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>difference too that Yeah, it's impressive, and it's just so dark.

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just so that shows wild.

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:48.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it just as it aside, it's sad that we

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 5>never i mean, awards are like really at the end

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 5>of the day, it's just tinfoil doesn't mean much. But

0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 5>because we only did eight episodes a year, we were

0:57:57.880 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 5>never up for the Yemmis.

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 5>And we had so many good actors on that show,

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:05.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, some.

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Of the best crazy and the biz.

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.720
<v Speaker 5>And it was Jack Simmons, Jack Simmons and you know,

0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 5>and obviously Chris Maloney and Harold Piano and we all

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 5>felt super grateful to be shooting a show in Manhattan

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 5>with Tom Fontana, who just had such a good reputation

0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 5>and it's such a top down kind of phenomenon, you know,

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 5>like it was a happy, happy set. You couldn't be

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 5>a diva on that set, which was great, you know,

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:37.320
<v Speaker 5>because Fontana had just worked with so many people and

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 5>was partners with Barry Levinson and he started a lot

0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.480
<v Speaker 5>of really you know, just very super famous people, and

0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 5>so he just didn't really tolerate that kind of odd paradigm.

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, we were always messing around. And for me personally,

0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.960
<v Speaker 5>because I played an intense character, it was really fun

0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 5>to just like have an on and off switch for it,

0:58:58.640 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 5>you know.

0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>And then, so how was it working on SVU? Did

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>you always have a great time there? Was it similar vibes.

0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 5>Or like different vibes, good vibes, but just different. That

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 5>might be because of the number of people in the cast.

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. OZ was like this very populist kind

0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 5>of a show. The cast was huge, and there was

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:23.320
<v Speaker 5>this kind of just level playing field, whether you were

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 5>a guest star or a series reg And I think

0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 5>just because of the nature the form of SVU, it

0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 5>was first of all, you know, twenty seasons running or whatever,

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:41.000
<v Speaker 5>so it was just different. But you know, Marishka and

0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:45.240
<v Speaker 5>Chris and just like everybody I work with on that show,

0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, they're all wonderful people, and sometimes subject matter

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 5>plays a part. And I think that there was just

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 5>something so gangster about OZ because everybody's like walking around

0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 5>like dressed as an inmate. But I had a great

1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 5>time on STU. I mean, I love the time I

1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 5>did a couple of SPUs, I did the.

1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 3>We Know Them. If you want us to tell you, yeah.

1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.720
<v Speaker 5>Then they should really bring my character back. So you

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.600
<v Speaker 5>want to tell you yes, your entire fan base just

1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:17.880
<v Speaker 5>have yeah, you.

1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Know hashtag bring back Doom, Bring back Doom. Yeah you gotta.

1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I want you and Rollin's to have a romantic moment.

1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like that would ever happen for you?

1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 5>Guys thought that they might write that in, but she

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:35.480
<v Speaker 5>she's a little superior to Doom.

1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:40.360
<v Speaker 5>I just I thought that they might want it to

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:41.600
<v Speaker 5>go that way, but they didn't.

1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, because one of the episodes you're in, you're like,

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go say hi, and then she turns around

1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and she's like eight months pregnant.

1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, what do you get recognized the most from?

1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 5>Probably Good Will Hunting.

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say you, those those scenes that you're

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 1>in are like the seeds the Seeds for Will Hunting

1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that my friends and I like Quol all the time,

1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 1>like my boys wicked smart, Like I just can't believe

1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:07.120
<v Speaker 1>you're that You're that guy.

1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you that you had a pretty

1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.400
<v Speaker 1>luxurious ponytail in that movie.

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Was that a wig? Was that your real hair?

1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:15.439
<v Speaker 5>Oh? No, that was my real hair.

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.560
<v Speaker 5>I could show you a picture of my hair right

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:25.320
<v Speaker 5>now from the day on OZ when I got executed,

1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:28.000
<v Speaker 5>because it was down to my waist. Wow, it was

1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:30.200
<v Speaker 5>literally down to my waist. Yeah, I like, I like

1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.560
<v Speaker 5>long hair, but I think you can get a haircut now.

1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:33.960
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, that was.

1:01:33.920 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>My real Your character in that scene from Will Hunting

1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:41.760
<v Speaker 1>is like those iconic scenes I know, and.

1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:44.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm so flattered that I got to be in that

1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:49.120
<v Speaker 5>because they used that scene in like acting classes. Oh yeah,

1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:53.360
<v Speaker 5>I've seen it at like sporting events. I'm like, no way,

1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.760
<v Speaker 5>you know. Yeah. And then that's just that line, how

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.120
<v Speaker 5>do you like them apples that Matt says to me.

1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean that's just was like huge. I mean that's

1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.280
<v Speaker 5>like a reading card kind of a line.

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, You've been in so many things. What do you

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:08.800
<v Speaker 1>do when you are not acting?

1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:13.120
<v Speaker 5>I do prison ministry at like a real prison, oh wow,

1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:17.640
<v Speaker 5>like every week for a few years now. And I

1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:20.960
<v Speaker 5>have such a heart for prisoners. I'm like an artist

1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:24.800
<v Speaker 5>spokesperson for Prison Fellowship. So I'll just go and speak

1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.560
<v Speaker 5>at different prisons. But then here in La I go

1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:31.160
<v Speaker 5>to a prison now since COVID, like it's been held up,

1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:33.680
<v Speaker 5>but I've done it for a year ago Wednesday mornings,

1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:37.320
<v Speaker 5>and man, I just love these guys so much. Like

1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:42.040
<v Speaker 5>the stories they rip your heart out. You know, so

1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.960
<v Speaker 5>many people just defined by the worst moment in their life,

1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:50.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, just split second, like trying to feed my kids,

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<v Speaker 5>or I had so much fear and then boom they're

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<v Speaker 5>in prison, separated from their wife and five children. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 5>we just live in a culture that really does so

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<v Speaker 5>much stigmatizing. I don't think it's intentional, but there's like

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<v Speaker 5>these stigmas with homeless people, with you know, prisoners. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>we had a foster child that we fostered for about

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<v Speaker 5>a year and a half, and you know, same thing.

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<v Speaker 5>There's like forty thousand foster children in the Ulster care

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<v Speaker 5>system in Los Angeles. So I would just encourage people

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<v Speaker 5>to check out, you know, prison Fellowship. You know, for

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<v Speaker 5>us to do something like that, to do prison ministry.

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<v Speaker 5>My wife has worked with underage girls who are sex

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<v Speaker 5>trafficked extensively, but prison Fellowship is like super buttoned up,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's a legit organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Was thrilling.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, you guys can't see him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>looks exactly like his brother. He's just Blondean Winters, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see in his work.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I never actually saw.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked like in the episode. I did not think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's stem.

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<v Speaker 3>So we started doing research.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea they were truly related, which is

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<v Speaker 1>shocking because we are such a big fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had no idea. But the more I could not,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't stop. I also A'm just I'm very pleased.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like so happy with someone that their passion

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<v Speaker 2>is to help people and they do it and so.

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<v Speaker 3>Humble about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that we talked about Prisoner's crime cops the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>And not until the end. Yeah, did he kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like sort of a hero. I spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>time talking to Prisoner.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like amazing, I'll do one soup kitchen, I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it for three weeks, Like I don't understand he's

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<v Speaker 1>been doing this for over a decade and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention this, but I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Higher people that have gone to prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know the place where I buy wee or

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<v Speaker 2>when I lived in West Hollywood that dispensary was known

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<v Speaker 2>for hiring felt like ex cons and people would complain

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<v Speaker 2>that the weed was too expensive there, and I'd go,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's worth it, because you know, it is

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to get jobs and start your life over,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially with shows like Orange Has Been Black, you

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<v Speaker 2>learn how hard it is teep paroled and all the

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<v Speaker 2>fees you you have to pit am and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>your setup to fail and also just to be judged on.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he said, you don't know where people are coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know what happened to these children. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they were starving. I'm really into that message. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing beyond people's faults, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Well, that's a huge well, yeah, seeing somebody beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the split decision they made in the worst moment of

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<v Speaker 1>their life. Like you said, you know, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. That's definitely what we learned in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>What else did we learn because.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't never went to jail for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time or prison, but I did get arrested a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch and it would suck if people only saw me

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<v Speaker 2>as the twenty year old who was like drunk and

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<v Speaker 2>going to jail forever, you know, or kept bringing it back.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm lucky that my job is just talking.

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<v Speaker 1>What else did we learn about the episode post mortem style?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do this post mortem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just because someone else is an Orthodox Jew and

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<v Speaker 2>you're an Orthodox Jew does not mean they're good.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that weird? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean imagine if I just went up to like

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<v Speaker 1>other white women, yeah, for help, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like everybody in every city can decide

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<v Speaker 1>when to let their kids walk alone. But it's like

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<v Speaker 1>so sad in both of these, in the real story

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<v Speaker 1>and the episode that this is like what happened from

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<v Speaker 1>kids walking along.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, if Team Girls show up with flowers all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>they're guilty. Yeah, if they if they're giving you clues, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>if one of them is very gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>And then today is one of the biggest stars in

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<v Speaker 1>the world and has like millions and millions of Instagram followers,

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<v Speaker 1>she's up to something, you know. Yeah, Lily Reinhart, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a murdering bitch. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, and you know, when we talk about people's

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<v Speaker 2>biases and racism and all that and how it affects

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's daily lives where it's like, you know, this officer

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<v Speaker 2>didn't care for this culture of people, and so that

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<v Speaker 2>person's police work is going to be worse. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to care as much. And it affects people's lives,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And when you think about racism, when it's

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<v Speaker 2>like if your teacher is racist, and then the person

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<v Speaker 2>at the bank, and then the cop and then this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's it's just such a bigger issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when people say like, oh, get over it,

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<v Speaker 2>or like stop complaining or it can't be anywhere, it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's truly destroying people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's destroying people's lives when police officers have biases towards

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<v Speaker 2>specific cultures and don't want to help people, and how

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<v Speaker 2>hard we all have to work, no matter what our

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<v Speaker 2>job is, to work on those biases. So we're not

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of shit. I mean, I don't know how to say. So,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not negatively impacting people's lives on serious and serious ways.

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<v Speaker 3>And they were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, in the end, it was like the most

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<v Speaker 1>clean cut, white bread girls that were the criminals you

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<v Speaker 1>know in the episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, do your police work.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm not a detective, but I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things where you can't go in deciding

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<v Speaker 2>you know what the truth is, because then your research

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<v Speaker 2>and investigation is gonna try to lead you one way,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're going to ignore certain facts or evidence because

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<v Speaker 2>you're not being open. So if any police are listening,

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<v Speaker 2>I have some tips from a not I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Pence with Kamala being like, I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about prosecution when she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't fucking tell me how to do my job.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's important for all of this to

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<v Speaker 2>like realize maybe if we were raised.

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<v Speaker 3>To hate an ethnic group, maybe to stop doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, don't live off the green line, don't

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<v Speaker 1>take the j Like, if your kid's going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a school, make sure it's not off the jay train.

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<v Speaker 3>Make sure they don't have to transfer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean kids, city kids are crazy to me, like

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<v Speaker 1>they are they're so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I babysat some boy who would go to ballet on

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<v Speaker 2>his own. He was just like living the dream and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't imagine walking home in the suburbs

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, too much for me. These city

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<v Speaker 2>kids just zip zapping around.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it. They're mature, but it's dangerous. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm not a Are you gonna let Rosie

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<v Speaker 3>go to school on her own? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean her elementary school is walking distance from our house,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not we don't live so city. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't live so urban. But anyone can scoop anyone

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<v Speaker 3>up in a van. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I really have to. I can't blame anyone who's let

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<v Speaker 1>their kid walk.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I just have to. You have to do

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<v Speaker 3>what you think is right and what your kid's ready for.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, who could have guessed the team girls were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>grab you know what I mean? That's like the last

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you are scared of all these other things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think on their parents' mind, we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're scared of the two junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the real life story, it's like this poor

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<v Speaker 1>kid did go up to somebody that was his parents

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<v Speaker 1>taught him to go up to someone that's like part

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<v Speaker 1>of your community, and it just was Also, it's better

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<v Speaker 1>to be caught and go to jail for a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit than to kill someone that might have seen you

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<v Speaker 1>and might tell on you.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you go to jail, and then and then

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<v Speaker 3>you go to jail forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't need to murder a kid because you

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<v Speaker 1>like took them to a wedding upstate.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you'll go to jail for a couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>for kidnapping. Like you get a good lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe the parents won't even press charges because they're

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<v Speaker 2>happy to see their Yeah, do not kill someone just

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<v Speaker 2>because they saw you do a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>That fear is not real. You're gonna get get in trouble. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>get in trouble for a minor crime. If you were

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<v Speaker 3>dumb enough to get seen, you're gonna get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just horrific. I think about this all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what if I'm in the wrong place and

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<v Speaker 2>eye witness a crime, They're gonna kill you. Lisa, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't either. We have a friend. She might be

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<v Speaker 3>a liar though I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's nutty, but she told me that she knew

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's like a cool girl, but who was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian mob.

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<v Speaker 3>And she did get shot in the face eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow wow I know this person or just yeah, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait for you to tell me off Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>Who that is? Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, if your kid OF's special needs or different differently abled,

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<v Speaker 2>learns different, don't lock them in the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't boo Radley your children.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know, don't do it or hugo for you

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<v Speaker 1>know the Simpsons reference if that helps anybody, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't change your kids up in a in a room

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<v Speaker 1>to think that will never make anyone's life better or easier.

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<v Speaker 3>And make sure they know.

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<v Speaker 2>What jizzing is so one girl doesn't make them jizz

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're ready to go to jail forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, make sure if you have an adult kid that

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<v Speaker 1>might be avert, get their dick sucks so they're not

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<v Speaker 1>just like, we'll do anything for this teen murdering seductress.

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<v Speaker 1>These are real lessons in case you happen to start

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<v Speaker 1>into this episode of Law and.

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<v Speaker 2>Order that he knows what jizzing is because he goes

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<v Speaker 2>it felt funny. I liked it, No clue what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't lock your kid in a basement and don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>on how they did for some.

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<v Speaker 1>Anatomy and some basic sexual functions. Yeah and yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>don't give them a Chris Kirkpatrick haircut.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think I'm on that note.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to wrap it up and now, as always,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do our what would Sister Peg Do

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<v Speaker 1>segment where we give you guys resources or charities or

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that we wanted to highlight that have to do

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<v Speaker 1>with what the episode covered. So today, obviously we covered

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<v Speaker 1>an episode that was based around the Romany community. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot of misinformation out there and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of or maybe no information.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Even know really that the Romani community existed, So we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you to head to our show notes for this

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<v Speaker 1>very informative Daily Beast article that just sort of gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit of the history of the Romany

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<v Speaker 1>and what their struggles are like.

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<v Speaker 2>We also really wanted to highlight Scott's program that he

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<v Speaker 2>volunteers with called Prison Fellowship, and that's Prisonfellowship dot org

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<v Speaker 2>and they work with transforming the lives of prisoners, caring

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<v Speaker 2>for children and families of incarcerated people, and also advocating

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<v Speaker 2>for justice that restores and they do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>great work and so if you want to volunteer or donate,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Prisonfellowship dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>And next week we will be covering the episode Slaves

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<v Speaker 1>from season one, episode twenty two, going back to the beginning, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>So make sure to tune in via Hulu or peacock

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever you watch your SVU episodes.

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