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She's got certainly 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: the biggest and baddest tattoos of anyone on the on 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: the tour. 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: She's definitely got the biggest, certainly the biggest. 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: Those angel wing tattoos were captured in photos. Will share 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: them with you. We're talking, of course, about Sveatlana Kuznetsova. 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a woman. I love her. 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, she's amazing. 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: She is There's one there's literally only one player that 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 4: on tour that I would walk by and really have 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: to be careful about how I approached her, whether it 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: be with the words that I said or the physicality 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: of the location of my arm, like because she would 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 4: punch me and it was lovely and lovingly sure, but 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: she doesn't realize how strong she is, so I would 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: or she would grab my arm in it, you know, 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: just like hey, come here and like squeeze my arm 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: so hard that it would bruise me. 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: But she's just that person that you just always love 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: to see. She's just she's a great. 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: So Vetlana came to Racket House to do a taping. 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: She shows up in a very very cool all white ensemble. 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: She was wearing sort of like white tuxedo shorts some 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: of her trademark sneakers. If you don't follow her on Instagram, 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: you're missing out on somebody living life very well because 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 3: her and her little dog are inseparable. 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: Not a little dog, it's it's like a pitbull. Wouldn't 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: call it a fluffy dog. I mean she kind of 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: makes it look fluffy. 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. She kind of makes them look fuffy. 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: She's a character. 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 5: Though. 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: We got it really into it, she go She went 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: really deep in this interview. She talked about her ups, 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: her downs, sort of having to overcome negativity, her parents 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: who are very very intense, who obviously gave her some 52 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: of her intensity, but learning to be her own woman. 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: Like we really I felt like it was a therapy session. 54 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing about Svetlana and this is why 55 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: I love to you know, this is why. 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: We love doing the podcast is that you get you 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: delve into the depths of someone truly, because when you 58 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: get to interview them on TV, it's like a three 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: minute interview. 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: You get to ask some three of all questions. 61 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: You know, someone from their PR department or the WTA 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: like hovering over you giving you the okay, wrap it 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: up signal. Just when you start to get into like 64 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 4: really talking to someone and getting in depth answers from them, 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: they're telling you to wrap it up. So with the podcast, 66 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: we get to sit there for forty five minutes and 67 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: they have to sort of they get deep, get deep 68 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: into it, and she opened up a door that I 69 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: think a lot of people will be surprised about her 70 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: philosophy on life and tennis. 71 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: I loved it and we were able to link it 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: back to another podcast, one of my favorites that we've 73 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: done with Kim Cloisters, because Kim told an amazing story 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: about spet Lana and we took it to her and 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: pigs and so we took it to her and got 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: her version of events, which do not disappoint. So if 77 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: you listen to any of our shows. 78 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: They will disappoint Kim though, because we may have to 79 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: go back with. 80 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: Kim and we're gonna have to just get them in 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: a room and have them try to tell the same story. 82 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: Said By said, that's the plan. 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: I mean, that's I think it'd be a great podcast. 84 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: Anyway, listen, here's the deal we got Svetlana. Don't call 85 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: it kuzy. First of all, thank you, we're happy here. 86 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks. Well, I always called a koozie, but she's 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: like anti coozie. 88 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 6: Why I was just listening and saying thanks God, she 89 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 6: didn't say cozy. 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Why Why is that? Tell me I need to know 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: never say it again. It's my name. My name is 92 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: veta like Cuzy sounds like a dog. Cuzy. 93 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 6: I can stand it, really, like you can call a 94 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: cool kid like couzy. 95 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: Just to me. It hurts my. 96 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 6: Ear, like when somebody comes Tom, hey, Cuzy, and I'm 97 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 6: like if it says the guy says behind my bag, 98 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 6: I'm like punching him. 99 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: Wow, it's that, but I don't like it. It's like 100 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: brings like. 101 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 4: Okay, well she's hitting so many times that I've now 102 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: learned not to say it. 103 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: But you know us, we're Australians. We don't like to shorten. 104 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: We just it's just I get my around the Thanks anyway, 105 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: thanks for joining us. I guess one of the things 106 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 4: we're in Indian wells. I guess we have to ask 107 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 4: you a little bit about what's happened over the last 108 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: couple of days. 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: Huh sure should we? I mean you've been out what 110 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: how many years have been? Twenty is twenty years? I 111 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: think I started like in two thousands or something. 112 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 6: It says in my biography, Wow, biography, you're Russian. 113 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: You can say we can speak Spanish. Would be like 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: so twenty yeah, I believe so Jesus so nothing like 115 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: what has happened here? We are in Indian Wales. 116 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: We do want to just say that just could go 117 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: at any time, but have you. I mean, this has 118 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: been crazy. What's just happened in the last twenty four hours? 119 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Can you like even. 120 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 6: I was in the mall, I'm getting some food for 121 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 6: the house and I read the email. 122 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm all right with my English but not perfect. And 123 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: I read the email. Am I so I gave my 124 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: physical fund? Your english is better? Please? 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 6: Could you translate if I'm if I get in it right? 126 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 6: And it's just like no way, because nobody felt like 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 6: it could come. 128 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, from one day to another. Yeah, we saw us 129 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: last night and you guys were telling me that you 130 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: play qualities. 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, same play qualie And I look the drawer. I 132 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 6: wanted to see the draw qualite to see who's playing. 133 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: Who's what? Yeah, and I time to find it. It's no draw, 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: no draw, no drawing. And the email is like, yeah, 135 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's something which and accept. I have to 136 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: be honest. 137 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 7: When we watched the wildfires in Australia and everybody at 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 7: home was thinking, oh, of course, like this is going 139 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 7: to affect the tournament players. 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 8: On courts breathing, it's an issue, but they didn't cancel 141 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 8: the tournament at all, So I thought, if they didn't 142 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 8: cancel it to the Australian wildfires, why would they cancel 143 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 8: this for coronavirus. So it seems crazy that this has happened. 144 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: But I mean, obviously we're happy to have you with 145 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: a little bit of extra time in there. There's going 146 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: to be a place with a lot of time, and 147 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: there was the time on your hands. Okay, So Renee 148 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: talk about when you first saw Speter and Matvet. 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually the first time I saw you, I believe, 150 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: was in Madrid, Is that right? 151 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I turned off to Madrid. 152 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: I didn't go like, look, I wasn't a big go 153 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: and let me play every playcour tournament. But Madrid was 154 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: one of the one of the tournaments that I went 155 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: to with Lisa. And you played Lisa, Is that right, 156 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: my old doubles partner. You played her in singles and 157 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: I remember watching and hold you fifteen six. Yeah, So 158 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: I mean Lisa at that point was probably top thirty 159 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: in singles. Playsta wins the match, but we walk off 160 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: the court. Lisa walks off the court and she looks 161 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: at me and she goes, fuck, that chick is going 162 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: to be so good one day. I mean, you were 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: so young at that point. Lisa was a you know, 164 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: very you know, accomplished singles and doubles player, and you know, 165 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: it wasn't a surprise that she won, but we just 166 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: immediately went wow, like that girl is going to be 167 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: so good. 168 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: So that was I think them. 169 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 6: So And it was the first tument ever the game 170 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 6: like wildcard, and I played college and then also was 171 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 6: in the college, so I'm sure if. 172 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: I beat her. I think little Hoober was in the 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: coalis as well. I bead her and then first round 174 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: I won against VV as well, which is a good way. 175 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 6: Six much points down really, I was six match points down. 176 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 6: Wow for me, like I remember us like me and 177 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 6: then was similar age then was she is one year 178 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 6: younger than me. And we were watching it was Medina 179 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 6: and Maria Josse Martinez. 180 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: They were quite good for us. 181 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 6: We were like, yeah, sixteen and they were like we said, 182 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 6: we wish one day would be good as them. Yeah, 183 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 6: And we watched them play. They played against each other 184 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 6: and they were like examples for us. It was great memory. 185 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 6: I still then like I would not have any This 186 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 6: is very important for me. The topic for the clothes deals, 187 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 6: Like I had no clothes I was buying, and so 188 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 6: I played two or three matches and I had no 189 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 6: skirt to weirs, so I played short shirts. And then 190 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 6: my coach kept me, I don't want to see you 191 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 6: never in the practice clothes on a tennis match, so 192 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 6: I don't have Yeah, it's like when you're Russian, you 193 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 6: don't get deals. 194 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: No, how did you end up there in Spain like 195 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: you and Genaro? 196 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 6: Well, Marat was in Spain in Valencia, and Dinara went 197 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 6: there to practice. My mom always said me an example, look, 198 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 6: Gnar is so good. She was burying me very easy. 199 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 6: And we were deciding between going to the States and 200 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 6: going to Spain. We had to go leave Russia because 201 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 6: it's not much of course, coaches and just Meema is 202 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 6: not so good and yeah, it's tough. Mentality was not 203 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 6: great for me. But then we didn't know that. But 204 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 6: now I know that I wouldn't through it there for sure. Yeah, 205 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 6: and but why okay, because they're very negative and I'm 206 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 6: very sensitive person. 207 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: And if you go hearted me. 208 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 9: Like I I shut down now Not because now I'm older, 209 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 9: I'm confident and I know more about Yeah, and. 210 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 6: We know you know, and then after so when we 211 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 6: came to Spain, like we decided. My father was coach 212 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 6: his cyclist in the camp in Spain and my head 213 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 6: so it wasn't between Barcelona and Valencia, and we asked 214 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 6: mom of Dinara to give us the phone number if 215 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 6: we would go to Valencia. When we arrived to this 216 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 6: camp of my dad, we called her and they didn't 217 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 6: have no one working there or. 218 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: Something was going on the wrong phone number. 219 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 6: I have no idea, but thanks thanks God had happened 220 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 6: that way. My dad was going crazy and in two 221 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 6: days without practice. It's not allowed in our family to 222 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 6: do that. So his friend said, look, he opened some 223 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 6: club in Spain in Barcelona. Way, let's go there. So 224 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 6: this friend take us there. Took us there and Angel 225 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 6: Jim Andez met me first time, and straight away I 226 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 6: had my first dreams out of two million drills. 227 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: First it happened. 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 6: It happened really like by luck, and first I just 229 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 6: got there and yeah, yeah, what. 230 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 8: Do you think about the different way that being in Spain. 231 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 8: You said, you're a sensitive person. The Russian system didn't 232 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 8: feel very accommodating. 233 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: The Russian not Russian system. 234 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 6: Russian Russian people away of talking of getting off teaching. 235 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: It's different of this system. Uh, it's personality. 236 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 6: And in Spain, I think what works really well Russian 237 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 6: with Spanish, not Spanish people growing in Russia because in Spain, 238 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 6: because they're like too soft, too nice, too too they 239 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 6: have not. 240 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: Been through hard times. 241 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 6: We've been through really bad and we always have to 242 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 6: stay stay tough. And when we go we have it 243 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 6: in US and when we go in Spain and they're 244 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 6: nice to you and then cheer you up and they 245 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 6: tell you how good you are. 246 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: Like first days, I was, what is going on? You 247 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: didn't believe it. They just told me yesterday that I'm 248 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: like never gonna be no One. And I'm like a 249 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: piece of say, piece of shit. 250 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 6: And today media comes to me and tell me you're 251 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 6: gonna be in top one hundred. I look at him, 252 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 6: I said, youkay, out of this world. I don't believe you. 253 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 6: And then there's something. I was working really hard and 254 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 6: and in mask in same when I was there, like 255 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 6: I didn't like to play. I didn't have motivation. I 256 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 6: didn't I didn't. 257 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: Have a joy. I didn't choose the sport at that time. 258 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 6: And when I came to Spain, I knew how much 259 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 6: effort my parents did and how much it cost them 260 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 6: to my dad, my parents that I play, and first 261 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 6: of all, I started to do well because I wanted 262 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 6: to pay them back for their effort. And then I 263 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 6: started fall in love with the game. And then I 264 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: just work, work, work, work, and let's see it twenty 265 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 6: six hours a day. 266 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: And in my family, it's normal. I grew up in 267 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: my dad's he's a cyclist, right. 268 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 6: My dad's club, and there are all the guys that 269 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 6: lived there, and to wake up at seven, to go 270 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: to bed at ten, it's normal. So I haven't seen 271 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 6: other life, and it was great because if you see 272 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 6: two side of the story as your kid, you cannot choose. 273 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 6: It's impossible to choose. And it was normal for me. 274 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 6: So when I see kids they were like not doing 275 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 6: their thing for me, I couldn't understand it. Like I 276 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 6: have different goals and I knew where I was going. 277 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 6: Other kids in the academy like not many, not many 278 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 6: families can afford the clubs, and I was lucky I 279 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 6: could have this life. And many of kids who worked 280 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 6: with me there they didn't have that goals, they didn't 281 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 6: have It was kind of yeah, the parents chooses. 282 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: For them, they could afford it. 283 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 6: They had everything in the family, and it was like, okay, 284 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 6: it's likely granted. 285 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: And for me it was not like that. 286 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: So it's basically going to Spain that helped you discover 287 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: the passion for like actually really enjoying playing tennis. With 288 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 4: the influence of like the system, the Russian system, your parents, 289 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: it was like, oh, I actually really like what I'm doing. 290 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. 291 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 6: And it was great that somebody else who I could 292 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 6: believe tell me that I'm good, because I never heard it. 293 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: In my life, not just your family. No, I didn't 294 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: hear it from my family. 295 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 6: My family is very Yes, when I won friend job 296 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 6: and my dad told me I was lucky, I was like, okay, 297 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 6: but he was peaceed, he was pisceed. I didn't tell 298 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 6: him on the speech thanks to my parents. I was 299 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 6: really stressed. I was so stressed. You were so young too, Yes, 300 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 6: I said, yes, you see, but sorry. 301 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 7: Anyway, Well, let me ask you another question about Spain, 302 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 7: because it seems to me that one of the things 303 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 7: that everybody, myself especially loved so much about your game 304 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 7: is the variety, the mix, the the retrieving, the defense, 305 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 7: to offense. 306 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 8: I have to imagine the training so much on clay. 307 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 8: Obviously you've won the French Open. Do you think that 308 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 8: opened up elements of your game or is that giving 309 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 8: Spain too much? Kind of and it was just in 310 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 8: there already. 311 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 6: You know. When I arrived to the now it's academy, 312 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 6: before it was a club, it was really small and 313 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 6: if I would arrive now, I'm not sure if I 314 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 6: would achieve the same things as before. 315 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: It was really a small group of people. 316 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 6: First time when I can nobody told them like look 317 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 6: after her. It was so many players coming with them 318 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: contacts by somebody told them to go, advise them to 319 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 6: take care of them more. 320 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: Nobody did it for me. My group was terrible. 321 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 6: One girl was always looking into wards the beautiful guys, 322 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 6: another girl was all day eating donuts. 323 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: And the third girl was from Ukraine. 324 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 6: She was quite, she was good, but she didn't like 325 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 6: to play with me because I was busying her. 326 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: So I was trying to say, please make play with me. 327 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: She's like. 328 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: And I could just push myself on the drills, and 329 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 6: drills is main part. 330 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: And but I mean it was really funny because my 331 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: group was like very very very. 332 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 6: Bad but now after three four months, somebody noticed me 333 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 6: really and then they moved me. 334 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: But it was one girl who had unbelievable deals. She 335 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: was higher than me. 336 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 6: She was very talented, she was Italian, amazing. She had 337 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 6: wild cards. I had zero wild cards. I was playing 338 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 6: all ten thousands schoalis, my andro qualist, my andro qualist. 339 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: I was dead by the main dro. 340 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, but still I didn't have anything given. 341 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 6: Like nobody helped me. And I pushed myself all the day. 342 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 6: If I wouldn't push on these practices, I wouldn't get 343 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 6: for them to notice me. And of course it was 344 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 6: like I was working machine, like I. 345 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 10: Didn't care how much that's your reputation on the court. 346 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 10: I think that's the the homework. I have a very 347 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 10: weird question for you, but give me a second. We 348 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 10: interviewed Kim Cloisters two years ago on the podcast We 349 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 10: had a We had such a long chat with her, 350 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 10: we took two hours. We had to cut it up 351 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 10: and make it into two episodes. 352 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: She told us the funniest story I've ever heard about. 353 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is you know what's coming, don't 354 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: you know? 355 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: She told us it involves animals. 356 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 8: She told us that you were you were coming through Belgium, 357 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 8: you had some rehab. 358 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: There was a doctor that was that was known in 359 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: the area, and you. 360 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 8: Guys are friends because Kim is lovely and she said, oh, 361 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 8: Speta comes over, lah la la. But then I come 362 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 8: home and the pigs are gone. I'm thinking, how the 363 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 8: pigs are ready in the neighbor's house. 364 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what well, I know she's telling 365 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: you what she thinks she remembers. So let's just say that. 366 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: When that was like two years ago, I finally gone 367 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 6: back to top ten when I played the Semis of 368 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 6: Singapore and the w Washington. No, it was later on 369 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 6: before as well. No, then after they opened on the 370 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 6: US Open next year. 371 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: Next year I was in top ten. I was here 372 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: in my back hand and I. 373 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 6: Broke my wrists, so I had to do surgery, and 374 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 6: I called everybody to see which doctors is the best. 375 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 6: So Melinda Benki Kiing Cloisters and some other girls. 376 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: I forgot who else, but they did the surgery there. 377 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 6: So I came there the guys in the guns in 378 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 6: Belgium and like he's like for me, it's very good doctor. 379 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 6: He took me without scheduling like he was very busy. 380 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 6: He and his team, they came out on the day 381 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 6: off and what happens when you're a bad So he's 382 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 6: very nice and they took care of me. So I 383 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 6: was supposed to come there a few times to recovery. 384 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: And then I called him. 385 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 6: I said, look, this is very boring here do said, well, 386 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 6: I'm going with Jada to the practice and then I. 387 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: Go to see the pigs. 388 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 6: The much of my husband team. He's coaching basketball. So 389 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 6: I said, okay, come join me to the house sometime 390 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 6: to the house in the kitchen, I'm sitting there with kids, 391 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 6: everything growing. We go to the yard to feed the 392 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 6: pigs chickens. 393 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't know that many animals. So 394 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: and then I said, okay, so what is here? And 395 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: was like on the street. 396 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 6: It was some sandwiches in the plastics and somebody brings 397 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 6: me every time. 398 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 2: I said, why did you stay here? There? There? 399 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 6: So we were leaving the house to go to the 400 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 6: practice of Jada and when the tea on the practice 401 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 6: on the match. 402 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: And somebody calls her and she's laughing. I said, what's wrong? 403 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: She said, oh, the pink pig run away. 404 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 6: Somebody was catching her pig, so so we should go 405 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 6: back to catch the pie. 406 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: She said, no, my neighbors do that. I said, it's 407 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: very nice neighbors. 408 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 4: MM. 409 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: So you're saying that it wasn't you that let the 410 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: pig out. 411 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: Me class just told us you can go close to this, right, 412 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: You're going to have to ask her about this. 413 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: I will ask her. You ask her about this, she said, 414 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: is a great house guest. But if she comes over, 415 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: just make sure that your pigs don't. 416 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 6: Get out, because I don't think many of us because 417 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 6: I don't think so. But we were on the kitchen 418 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 6: and one finding thing was like, she say, I never 419 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 6: could imagine you would be in my kitchen. It's so awkward, 420 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 6: like we face ourselves and we see us like outside 421 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 6: of our normal ways. And here Kim classes kitchen eating 422 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 6: like next almost to the pigs with the kids. 423 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 7: And maybe, okay, we're going to go back to Kevin. 424 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 7: Tell her it was not your fault, because I think 425 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 7: you just did you quit it yourself from it. 426 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: One of the things that I wanted to ask you, 427 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: and which is always. 428 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: When I commentate, if commentate your matches. Back to the 429 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: Spanish Russian thing, is that I always thought the thing 430 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: about you is that you get caught between your Russian, 431 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 4: but you play Spanish like you're half Spanish half Russian. 432 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: The way you play like you hit with a lot 433 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: of spin. 434 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 4: You have variety, Like you said, you have a kick 435 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: serve that's sort of like your thing. You go after it, 436 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 4: but you also have that kicker. They're all sort of 437 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: shots that you don't develop as a Russian. Most Russians 438 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: are hit the ball flat. They hit the ball hard, 439 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: like you hit the ball hard, but you've always created 440 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 4: this spin. 441 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: But then you get a little bit when you get tight, 442 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: you get a little defensive. 443 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: So it's kind of like you learned almost the great 444 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: things about being Spanish. 445 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: But then you have the heart of a Russian. 446 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 4: But there's this like juxtapose Sweatlana Kuznetsova like. 447 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: Magic, you know, like my signature. 448 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 4: But it's but it's like I always felt like there 449 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: was a part of you that like that was good 450 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: and part of it that was bad. You know, like 451 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: that when you get a little bit nervous, you would 452 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: get very defensive and then you want. 453 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: To be like no, be RUSSI like come for it, 454 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: flatten the ball, was that is that something that makes 455 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: sense to you? Well, for me, it was hard, like 456 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: firstly teach me in Spain. In Spain that. 457 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 6: I don't I don't do down the line when I'm 458 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 6: out of the court because Russian we always go when 459 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 6: I say it's low percentages and you have to understand, no, 460 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 6: you have to go. This is ya Russian. So sometimes 461 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 6: I have to be very patient. And then for me 462 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 6: when I play spin, but the girls it's very hard. 463 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: When I play heavy. No they're not, but it's not 464 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: about that. 465 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 6: It's a different placement and the zone of them receiving 466 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 6: the ball, and for me, like it's much easier to 467 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 6: do that than to play hard. 468 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 469 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 6: So when I go play spin spin, spin, then I'm like, okay, I'm. 470 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: Willing too easy. 471 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 6: I have to improve and I start hitting Yeah, And 472 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 6: then I find myself in the third set because the 473 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 6: girls are comfortable and it's harder for me to be 474 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 6: hidden because it's more physically. Yes, so I started to 475 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: place spin again and this is a game. But then 476 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 6: I don't I like when I hear people say she 477 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 6: should have done that, I don't see it like that 478 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 6: because for me, I'm there, I'm doing my best of course, 479 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 6: and sometimes I look very awful and understand but this 480 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 6: is part with me. 481 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: You know you can't. Also it's easy to say. 482 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 7: I was talking with Andrea A Pakko it choos on 483 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 7: our show a lot, and she says, some people come 484 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 7: up to me and they say, you know, I love 485 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 7: you group. 486 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 8: Why didn't you hit it down the line on the 487 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 8: third set in the tiebreak between Camilla Georgie and you 488 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 8: could have had that shot, And it's like. 489 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: Fuck you. You weren't there, you didn't play the whole match. 490 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: You weren't. In my mind, the. 491 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 5: Idea that people have this ability, well, it's easy after 492 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 5: the matches down. 493 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: It's also easy after the matches down. 494 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 5: But I do think when you're such a public figure, 495 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 5: you're a Grand Slam champion multiple times, the difficulty of 496 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 5: what you're doing and how special the alchemy of what 497 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 5: you need to do on the court doesn't always People 498 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 5: people who are don't don't always understand. 499 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: Has that been something that they never understand and they're 500 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: not in your head? 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Enter the promo code Racket 508 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: mag at checkout and you'll get thirty percent off your order. 509 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: Can I ask you to go back to the US 510 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 4: Open that moment like you were so young? 511 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 2: Like how much does that change your life? And how? 512 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: And also like how much did that change the expectation 513 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: figure like going forward? Like how difficult is that in 514 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: some ways for people. 515 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: That I don't know how hard it is to win 516 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 4: a Grand Slam and then have to back it up? 517 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 6: You know, as I've been told so many times in 518 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 6: my life, I never would get nowhere. I haven't even 519 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: dream about being somewhere in the top, and I never 520 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 6: could sing that I would win a Grand Salmon. Here 521 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 6: I was like, playing my here was pretty good. I 522 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 6: had a couple of good wins. Doho Dubai played very 523 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 6: well and was very busy. Year we played after Wimbledon, 524 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 6: we played Argentina in the clay and then it was 525 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 6: the Olympics, and then when I was like, Dad, have 526 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 6: that I come to use open. I played singles and 527 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 6: doubles all the year and much is by much, by much. 528 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 6: I start to feel good and then I go to 529 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 6: the finals play Leonard dvine to. 530 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: Whom I lost just a few weeks ago in La. 531 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 6: I believe and I I you know, I never felt 532 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 6: of winning it, so it was kind of good stuff. 533 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 6: Now when you see young girls, they have no pressure, 534 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 6: and this is what I had and where it gets 535 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 6: to you when you win. 536 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: First of all, I had no idea what I've done. 537 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 6: And I remember when I came back to Spain after 538 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 6: two weeks because after this event, I went to Bali. 539 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 6: I won bally tournament and I played double. I played 540 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: finals of U soap and doubles and I want you 541 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 6: so I flew to Bali overnight and I fell asleep 542 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 6: on the interview on the phone and the guy talking, 543 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 6: I'm like sleep and I'm dead. I played singles and doubles, 544 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 6: but I lost doubles final with a Rancha and I 545 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 6: wont Bali and then I flew to begin and thanks 546 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 6: go Donna forgot to interest in doubles. 547 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I had, because came over just to play doubles. 548 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 6: I was really un happy, but she had. 549 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: It's okay, Now I don't think it matters. 550 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 6: And I lost finals to Serena Beijing. She chased me 551 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 6: down the tea on my match very much. Point like, 552 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 6: I didn't even see the story. No, it just it's 553 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 6: happened to a lot of people. Okay, so yes, and 554 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 6: and then I was very tired. And then the coach 555 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 6: told me it looks that you've done something good. You 556 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 6: don't something amazing, and you'll be proud all your life 557 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 6: and you don't. 558 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: And I didn't because for me, it was just another yeah. 559 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: And I didn't even like have something nice celebration. I couldn't. 560 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 6: I was like I was a regular kid liveing in Spain. 561 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 6: They always treated me like a regular person. They told me, 562 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 6: first you have to be a person, and after you'd. 563 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: Be a player, good or not so good. 564 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 6: It's good in some ways, and they say it's good 565 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 6: in some ways, maybe prepared for my personal confidence. It 566 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 6: didn't help because it kind of pushed me down as well. 567 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 6: But anyway, I worked over years and I found my 568 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 6: solutions to it. 569 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 8: So when you want another Grand Slam. Was it a 570 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 8: different feeling? Was it you were more prepared? I mean 571 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 8: you didn't thank. 572 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: Your parents so that no, but after that you were 573 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: you more ready for because you understood what it meant. 574 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 6: After that opened Sorry, I go back because you win 575 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 6: it and you have expectations and you don't as you 576 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 6: how to face it. 577 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 8: And you're. 578 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 6: I lost first round, and I mean I was injured 579 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 6: before then, and I mean you're twenty, you're by yourself, crazy, 580 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 6: you have your coach okay, and all expectations. You read 581 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 6: shit about yourself and you're like, maybe. 582 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: I'm not great. 583 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 6: I never thought that. But it's not like maybe I 584 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 6: just couldn't. Is I Every time I have to do good, 585 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 6: good good there. 586 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: If you do once, if you do twice, it's great. 587 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 6: If you are the greatest, then I expect you be 588 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 6: nothing the greatest there. And then I've seen so many 589 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 6: girls fall there. It's great to be in the top. 590 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 6: It's everybody will fall down because we're all humans. But 591 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 6: to get back and to stay there, this is what 592 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 6: makes you really good. It may be great whatever it is, 593 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 6: but it really which makes you strong. Only strong players 594 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 6: do that, because some players they have unbelievable year. Then 595 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 6: players start to figo you. First of all, they don't 596 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 6: afraid you because they know your game. You're not incognito anymore, 597 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 6: and for them to beat you, it's already great. They're 598 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 6: not afraid to lose against you when you're not cover. Everybody, 599 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 6: even tops, are like, oh, she's good, she's new comer. 600 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 6: And then you okay, you're wonder of us. Yeah, and 601 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 6: then you stay with us. Yes, this is different staying 602 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 6: on top. I mean we're sort of jumping ahead. 603 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 8: But I remember watching you make the finals at Washington 604 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 8: and winning it and thinking to myself, how how how 605 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 8: amazing it must feel to know you could enter a tournament, 606 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 8: be a wild card, be unseated, be coming back from injury, 607 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 8: and still go Wait Cord Grace to tear. 608 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: Through a tournament. But wait. 609 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: Prior to Washington, though, I want to bring something up, 610 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 4: because that was after your injury. I want to remember 611 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: the day that you came into the US Open. I 612 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: think you lost for the second round and we were 613 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: in the back. I was still playing, and you said 614 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 4: something to me along the lines of like that you 615 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 4: couldn't play because you were put so much expectation on 616 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 4: yourself and you were I mean you just said you 617 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 4: like you choked, like you got nervous, like it was 618 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 4: too much for you, Like explain to people, like what 619 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 4: that feels like? Because you were, you're successful, You've on 620 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: Grand Slam. Why does that happen like to as you said, 621 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 4: it's going to happen to everybody. Happens to everybody, It's 622 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 4: just some people show it differently. Like that moment when 623 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: I saw you, I remember thinking like, this is the people. 624 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: This is what people don't see. 625 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 4: The downs where you doubt yourself so much and you 626 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 4: wonder if you should keep doing this because it's so 627 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 4: hard to put yourself out there on the line and 628 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: be nervous and have to play well, you know, because 629 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 4: of also what you've done and what people expect from you, 630 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 4: And then you have to go out and you have 631 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: to give people what they expect, even though you're thinking. 632 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: That you want that yourself. But how hard is that 633 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: to dig out of a hole like that and to 634 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: come back from an injury and win tournaments? 635 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: And how great does that feel to get through those 636 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 4: tough times? 637 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 6: You know, it's really interesting because when I win, I 638 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 6: see it as no more as it should be yeah, 639 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 6: because not because I'm I don't see it like I'm 640 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 6: much better than her. I know that I work my 641 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 6: ass off to do that, and I know I'm very talented. 642 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 6: I know how much I worked in my life. I 643 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 6: believe I did it more than most of the girls. 644 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 6: And this is what my confidence grows there. Because when 645 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: I told me I can't be no one, I see 646 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 6: other girls playing better than me, doing this better, I 647 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 6: was insecure. I said I'm gonna work more and harder 648 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 6: than now. So when I stand next to them, maybe 649 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 6: she's very good, but she gotta run and she gotta 650 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 6: beat me. 651 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: And if she beats me. 652 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 6: Once, next time, she gotta do repeat it, and I'll 653 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 6: be there and doing this. This is what helped me 654 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 6: at those times. And for me, of course, it was 655 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 6: very hard when I was injured. 656 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: I come to the Torrents. 657 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 6: Look now, it's very easy for me to talk because 658 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 6: I've been there for twenty years. 659 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: I know how to. 660 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 6: Do this, how I face these things. It's much easier. 661 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 6: I've been through times when I play San Diego, I'm 662 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 6: serving for a much point and Tiereak against Radvanska, and 663 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 6: I'm standing there to serve and I feel I'm tight 664 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 6: and I and I crawnb like second time in my life. 665 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: I crown like I never cramb. Yeah, I mean it's 666 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: not susceptable. 667 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 6: And I tried to jump before they serve and I 668 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 6: cannot jump, not because of the crowns, because I'm my 669 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 6: second serf was into the baseline. You asked me to 670 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 6: tell people how it's so much tense. It's important to 671 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 6: you When I tell us when we lose on purpose 672 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 6: or we are bus we're stupid or. 673 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 2: Whatever, you don't. Yeah, they criticize idea, it's not it's 674 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: like you have to understand. 675 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 6: First of all, you have to understand all these haters, 676 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 6: why they do that? How many are these happy people? 677 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 2: No? No, do they happy with themselves? Of course do they? 678 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: Are they happy to see you win? They should be, 679 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: But no, it's. 680 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 6: Not about what they should it's about other No, because 681 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 6: for them, if you win, it's normal. But to tell you, 682 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 6: shep they're happy with that, So they're bad with themselves. 683 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 6: It's their own problem. This is what you should understand 684 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 6: and this is now on the normal mind. For me, 685 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 6: it's easy to understand. But when you're losing, you're very critical, vulnerable, vulnerable, 686 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 6: So you're very sensitive to all the critics. It's not 687 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 6: like why they tell me why, and they don't know, 688 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 6: they don't know. You practice, you sweat, you do that 689 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 6: when nobody see that, they have no idea. And for them, 690 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 6: the tennis players, they earn money, they're very rich, and 691 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 6: nobody knows that. You travel day to day. You travel 692 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 6: week after week, and when you. 693 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: Lose, you lose every day. It's a satisfaction. 694 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 6: And every week you go, you lose like every not 695 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 6: even second week, every like I don't know. Yeah, and 696 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 6: if you didn't lose five weeks a year, it's a 697 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 6: successful year. 698 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 2: Incredibly successful. It's an unbelievable I tell you that. 699 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 6: And you just don't have to see after critics. Yeah, 700 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 6: you don't have to. 701 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 8: Was there a part in your career where you felt 702 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 8: like you you were talking about vulterability, you were talking 703 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 8: about self belief, you were talking about how. 704 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: You've learned to understand who you are. 705 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 8: Was there a part in your career where you've started 706 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 8: to be able to say, fuck the critics, fuck haters, 707 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 8: I know what I'm doing, I know what give me joy, 708 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 8: I know how to be happy with. 709 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: My performance, and all I can do is my process. 710 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 8: All I can do is try Was that something that 711 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 8: you had to learn or did it sort of developed? 712 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: Are you about to say or is that your continuing 713 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: to this time? 714 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 6: It just says now now I'm like I said, Okay, 715 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: I don't have to do this nobody. 716 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: You can play for anything. You play for yourself. 717 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 6: It's not like that. I still play for people. I 718 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 6: play for my friends, I play for my parents. But 719 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 6: it's differently. And what as I learned? You know that tennis. 720 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 6: Last night when I was in the gym, I have 721 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 6: very nice conversation with my fitness coach and he asked 722 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 6: me a great question. 723 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 2: He said, have you ever thought who would you be 724 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 2: if you didn't like this? What did you say? He said? 725 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: You know what? I think. 726 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 6: I believe I'm a happy person to be where I 727 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 6: am because I never have had this thought in my life, 728 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 6: because I'm blessed to be where I am, because tennis 729 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 6: gave me the development that knowledge. 730 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: I grow so much as a person. This is where. 731 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 6: The most value for me is. It's not the money, 732 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 6: it's not the titles. It's how I developed myself, how 733 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 6: much knowledge I have about myself how to face different problems, 734 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 6: different situations. How many hard times I've been through and 735 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 6: now where I am as human being and a person. 736 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 6: It's amazing. And let's say I'm not just talking of tennis. 737 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 6: It's a personal life combined to the tennis, to the traveling, 738 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 6: to the investments, to the spending money, to having friends 739 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 6: to do that. And this is a pack you gotta do, 740 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 6: like a Lego, but lego of normal human being. It's 741 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 6: like two thousand pieces, maybe one thousand. Yeah, tennis player lego. 742 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 6: My lego is like fifty thousand. 743 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 2: And that's before the age of forty. Lego is analogy. 744 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 6: That's actually, that's actually, that's a fifty fifty thousand pieces. 745 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: You've got to live it, maybe ten lifetimes, yes, because. 746 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 6: Every time you go you're like, uh, fifteen, I was 747 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 6: in Madrid fifteen and thirty four. Imagine how many choices 748 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 6: I've done in my life every time you put what 749 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 6: priority I want. I grew up from a kid of 750 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 6: a women to the women now and all the speriod, 751 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 6: I play tennis. 752 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 2: All this time. 753 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 6: My priority supposed to be tennis, and it was not 754 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 6: like this all the time. And it's normal and it's okay. 755 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 6: And what people don't understand, it's not only tennis. 756 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 2: In my life. It's not like for them, I was 757 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 2: sitting on the sofa changing channels. All these beach cousiness. 758 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 2: Didn't move your rest today? Did the beach cousiness? So 759 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 2: I didn't have a will. 760 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 6: And it's also okay, you didn't have the vel I 761 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 6: love it. 762 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: Something. 763 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 6: Sometimes I was like us whatever, she's like, look at her, 764 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 6: So do you play with me today? 765 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 2: You don't. Sometimes this happens and it's a bad day. 766 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 2: That's okay. 767 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 6: So we could maybe which can break his ast every day. 768 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. You've been playing for 769 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 2: twenty years. Hopefully we'll have you for another twenty No, 770 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: I doubt it. I don't want to do that to 771 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: work any years. 772 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 6: She canna please enjoy? 773 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 2: Yes, no, she likes to have. 774 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 8: But what yeah, what are some of the things that 775 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 8: you would spend your time on doing when you walk 776 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 8: away from this collecting tattoos? 777 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 6: I mean there's no, no, no, no tattoo small tattle. 778 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, bullshit, you get another one by the. 779 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 11: End of like small, small, small, Yes. I would like 780 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 11: to go to dancing classes. I would like to start 781 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 11: to play guitar. I would like to go. I went, 782 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 11: and I still need more time to for makeup lessons, 783 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 11: what what how to walk properly? Then how to speak 784 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 11: better to the camera and in front of the of 785 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 11: the people. 786 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's my list is pretty big. 787 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 6: It's a pretty nice and travel to a few countries 788 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 6: to have family, kids, have nice house. 789 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: Houses probably, I'm sure your house is fine. Wait, so 790 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 2: we're getting to the end because we appreciate your time. 791 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 4: But I was asked sort of like, what's the one 792 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 4: if there was one match you could go back to. 793 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 2: Could read There's always. 794 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 4: A lot of matches, but it says one in particular, 795 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 4: you know, like I say, some get all philosophical with me. 796 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 6: Also in the life, Yeah, mistakes, that's good. 797 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 2: Well I knew the choices. But for example, I would 798 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: tell you. 799 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 6: Now, for example, I remember that match point I lost 800 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 6: to miss Quina and French Open. I was up two 801 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 6: thousand and four and she won't I kick hard of 802 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 6: the court. It's a much point. She knows the match 803 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 6: is done, so she's running like listen, she just calls 804 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 6: her and do like this, touches and it just fills 805 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 6: over my side. Yes, this is what's a much point? 806 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 6: I could have win, but it's not a choice. 807 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 2: You didn't. You can there's another balls for sure there 808 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 2: to win that much. 809 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 6: But then listen, the theory is Miskina is not winning French. 810 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 2: Maybe neither do I because it was just quarters. 811 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 6: Then doesn't get so motivated to win US Open, and 812 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 6: Switzlanta doesn't win use Open. 813 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 5: You know it's you never know how you think it 814 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 5: is purpose, you think it's I think all. 815 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 6: My losses brought me to my good wins as well. Okay, 816 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 6: I would tell you just the final of one more 817 00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 6: s told you I would pick another up titled okay, 818 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 6: and I was suggested can in both finals and they're 819 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 6: pretty easy. 820 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 2: But okay, I'll pick that. Okay, you can pick that. Well. 821 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 2: I have a suggestion for you. 822 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 10: I think among your long list of things that you 823 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 10: can do after your career is over, I. 824 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 2: Think just besides learning how to walk, learning how to walk, 825 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 2: I love that guitar, house, kids, music. 826 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 4: Dancing, no speaking, speak speaking, I think you could be 827 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 4: a philosopher. 828 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: I think you need to be a guru. I think 829 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 2: you need to teach people. They told me I have 830 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 2: to do books. I love it. People translated, not my book, 831 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 2: she said. 832 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 6: One person told me your book, Okay, it would be good, 833 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 6: but then but then yeah, different books. I'm not I'm 834 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 6: still thinking about what books told me to write. 835 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to write a piece in Racket magazine? 836 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,879 Speaker 2: Will get you started slowly? Yeah, you can write write 837 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: a piece. This is how I know Pekovich. I asked 838 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 2: her to write a poet, but she does great business. 839 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: I think you have a philosophy. Okay, yeah, so I 840 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: tell you what, It's very different your book. 841 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 3: You have a death that I think people would enjoy 842 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 3: reading about. So if you decided to write your philosophy, Tom, 843 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 3: you have a place to. 844 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 2: Do and to do my book. 845 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 6: I still don't know how how far I can open 846 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 6: myself so in that book, because it could be bestseller, 847 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 6: but I won leave to. 848 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 2: Write that when you're in like seventy five, nobody would remember. 849 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 2: This doesn't matter if you have If you have some 850 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 2: salacious things to say, it's good, all right. 851 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 6: Thinks what I would tell when I'm seventy would interest 852 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 6: any people who older woul. 853 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 2: I'm done, thank you so saying this is really nice. 854 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 2: Thank you again. 855 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 4: Thanks, hey hold on, Thanks Svetava. 856 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, and that's it for this episode of 857 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: the Racket Magazine podcast. 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