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Speaker 1: it's affiliates or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and body move in and yes we have a

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Speaker 2: huge stack knight of headlines. Tillary Clinton testifies about Epstein

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Speaker 2: in front of Congress. Bill Clinton is up tomorrow. The

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Speaker 2: plaintiff and the trial against a meta which is again

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Speaker 2: meta Facebook, Instagram. All the things took the stand today

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Speaker 2: and also a look inside the mind of the dad's

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Speaker 2: standing trial for enabling his school shooter son.

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Speaker 3: Allegedly big day.

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Speaker 2: That trial might actually go into the final stretch next

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Speaker 2: week already, so unbelievable. Hi guys, Hi, so nice to

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Speaker 2: see you. We made it to Thursday. I hope you

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Speaker 2: guys had a beautiful one.

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Speaker 4: Thursday aka Little Friday, Little.

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Speaker 2: Friday when you bring it if you will, Yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: go with that. Let's go with Friday, Junior.

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Speaker 3: Athy Friday Junior. Everybody. Where should we begin?

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Speaker 2: I know there is so much to get through today

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Speaker 2: and talk backs to get through today. So let's kick

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Speaker 2: into let's go to Congress.

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Speaker 3: Courtney, what do you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton, of course, the former Secretary of State. She

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Speaker 6: testified for over six hours today and this was part

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Speaker 6: of Congress's ongoing investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. Repeatedly and repeatedly,

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Speaker 6: she stated she had no knowledge of Jeffrey Ebstein or

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Speaker 6: Ghlene Maxwell's crimes. And this all happened in a closed

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Speaker 6: door deposition in up where they live in sort of upstate,

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Speaker 6: New York. So the hearings are part of a wider

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Speaker 6: probe into Epstein, who, as we know, died in a

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Speaker 6: New York jail cell back in twenty nineteen while he

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Speaker 6: was awaiting trial for sex traffic. Lawmakers from both parties

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Speaker 6: are scrutinizing Hillary Clinton's ties to Epstein and Gillien Maxwell,

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Speaker 6: his co conspirator and former President Bill Clinton, is set

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Speaker 6: to testify tomorrow, and that should be interesting because Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 6: We've seen in pictures and pictures many jeff.

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Speaker 4: But no pictures with Hillary, and no pictures.

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Speaker 3: With Hillary that I've come across.

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Speaker 4: Yet, but anyone. I mean the quote of the day.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how many times I had to say

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Speaker 6: I did not know Jeffrey Epstein, Like they just kept asking.

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Speaker 4: And that was and I don't know who's disputing that.

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Speaker 3: I don't write.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that was a big topic. Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's let me unpack. That's pack for a minute.

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Speaker 7: So if I'm married to somebody, right, like you know,

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Speaker 7: and they're leaving for the weekend, I'm going to be like, well,

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Speaker 7: where you going? It was there never a conversation where

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Speaker 7: Hillary was like where are you going? In Bill Clint

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Speaker 7: and was like, oh, I'm going to Epstein's. Like was

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Speaker 7: that never a thing?

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Speaker 3: Or people lie?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, like how many people say

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Speaker 2: they're going left and they really went right?

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Speaker 3: You know. I think we're talking about pretty dishonest people.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Even if she was scadattling to you know, little Saint John's,

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Speaker 2: he made have been transparent about it.

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Speaker 7: There was this painting in Epstein's house, right, thank you

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Speaker 7: of Bill Clinton in this chair and he's wearing that

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Speaker 7: got like these red heels on is that right?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he's got like and he's sitting in

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Speaker 2: It's very almost want to post it. It's this it's

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Speaker 6: It was an art student's thesis. Oh yeah, it was originally.

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Speaker 7: Okay, It's just it's just weird to me that it's

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Speaker 7: Bill this stress. Bill Clinton and Epstein obviously had a

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Speaker 7: relationship of some kind, right, Whether it was close or not,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, But to me it appears like it

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Speaker 7: in the relationships that I've been in, not to also

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean, whether or well in two

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Speaker 2: And I wonder, and let's go with that for a second,

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Speaker 2: because the painting that you're describing is so incredibly creepy

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Speaker 2: and strange. And if anyone listening hasn't seen it, easy google.

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Speaker 2: It's like a portrait of Bill Clinton wearing the dress

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Speaker 2: extremely crude. Is it a parody? Is it them, what

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Speaker 2: is it. It's a strange, strange painting to have in

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Speaker 2: your photo if in fact the man that is at

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Speaker 2: the center of that, you know, painting, I should say

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Speaker 2: not photo, is.

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Speaker 3: Like your bud. They clearly had a relationship.

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Speaker 2: He's been in a million pictures like I don't know

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Speaker 2: that that's for convo either, right, So I don't know

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Speaker 2: what is was Hillary Clinton brought today, And I know

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Speaker 2: nobody really knows this for sure as a former secretary

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Speaker 2: of state or as Bill Clinton's I.

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Speaker 4: Think all three.

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Speaker 7: I think it's the former secretary of State, senator, and

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Speaker 7: first lady.

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Speaker 3: I think it's all three.

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Speaker 6: Well at number four adversary in the twenty sixteen election,

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Speaker 6: because that true, Yes, that.

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Speaker 4: Is where she was formerly.

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Speaker 6: Her name occurred in the Epstein files multiple times. I

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Speaker 6: don't know what else, but I know that is true,

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Speaker 6: So I think there were multiple reasons.

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Speaker 4: So during her deposition, oh this is bananas.

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Speaker 6: The deposition was briefly paused after Republican Representative Lauren Bobert

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Speaker 6: violated committee rules by taking a photo of Clinton and

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Speaker 6: sending it to a conservative influencer, who then posted it.

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Speaker 6: They had to stop stool and taking pictures surreptitiously.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing?

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Speaker 7: So ridiculous? This is she should not be on that

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Speaker 7: committee anymore. No, like she needs to be removed from

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Speaker 7: that committee. It's ridiculous. But there's a serious business of

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Speaker 7: the nation right exactly, and she's out here taking pictures

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Speaker 7: and sending it to Benny Johnson.

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Speaker 4: I mean, asset, Like, come on, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: And if what if she was saying something super exactly

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Speaker 2: the middle of what could be very critical important testimony

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Speaker 2: that could you know, shed more light on some of

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Speaker 2: the survivor's experiences, et cetera. I'm assuming that's the line

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Speaker 2: so inappropriate. She did answer every question and never took

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Speaker 2: the fifth, for whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, I didn't know that, Okay?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: And Hillary Clinton did have to. She explained that Gilaine

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Speaker 6: in twenty ten. Interestingly, it was as a plus one

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Speaker 6: also Clinton also accused the Republican led Oversight Committee of

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Speaker 6: Trump also be called testifive. I mean it's partisan on

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Speaker 6: both parties, right, And if you guys remember both Clinton,

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Speaker 6: Hillary and Bill, they resisted their subpoenas, right, they don't show.

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Speaker 4: Want the statements. What's that They didn't even show up

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Speaker 4: the first time, remember.

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Speaker 6: Correct, and then they were threatened with criminal contempt and

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Speaker 2: I mean, lots of people haven't showed up though, on

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Speaker 2: all sides. And yeah, like honestly, even her wanting to

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Speaker 2: Also public hearing obviously that didn't happen.

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Speaker 6: No, And then was this we were talking about this earlier,

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Speaker 6: and I just want to make sure it's true, taha,

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Speaker 6: that allegedly we're going to get the transcript in twenty

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Speaker 6: four hours after it's approved, And.

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Speaker 4: The question was by whom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who's approving the transcript.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we haven't gotten the details of who's approving this,

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Speaker 9: but they have been saying repeatedly that we're supposed to

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Speaker 9: be hearing getting the transcripts within twenty four hours. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: Eve and I were talking about this that The confusion

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Speaker 9: just feels like it would be an obvious choice to make,

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Speaker 9: So I can I jump in for a second, would you?

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Speaker 10: Guys? We actually have a caller on the line that

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Speaker 10: wants to chime in about our conversation. It's it's actually

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Speaker 10: Emily from Boston.

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Speaker 4: From Boston.

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Speaker 11: Yea, yeah, the good morning evening.

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Speaker 4: We're so much morning for.

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Speaker 3: You here you live.

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Speaker 12: Hi, I'm so tired and I waited and waited to

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Speaker 12: call in, but I don't have to work tomorrow, so

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Speaker 12: I took you went wild on us.

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Speaker 3: Nice. We're so happy you're spending.

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Speaker 4: Your Thursday night o'clock.

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Speaker 11: A long time.

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Speaker 4: Emily, is there a birthday?

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Speaker 11: It's my birthday today, Happy birthday.

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Speaker 10: Happy birthday.

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Speaker 11: Listen, very unimportant in the grand scheme of things, because

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Speaker 11: I I'm just gonna jump right into it. I'm like

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Speaker 11: so frustrated, yeah, with everything, and it is like so

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Speaker 11: hard to I'm a veteran, right and like for ten

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Speaker 11: years you live in the military. To bite your tongue, absolutely,

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Speaker 11: I do it again any day. But you have to

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Speaker 11: bite your tongue. You can like never speak negative about

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Speaker 11: like the chief of staff or anything. Right, It's just

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Speaker 11: one of those rules. But even like since I've been out,

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Speaker 11: I've just been like blabbergastid. Especially it's like the last

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Speaker 11: eight to ten years of like this country has just

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Speaker 11: representation of like the first woman that we thought might

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Speaker 11: have been president for her to just like blatantly kind

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Speaker 11: of like like you said the other day, like stand

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Speaker 11: by my man, like, oh, I had no idea, that's

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Speaker 11: so crazy, Like are you kidding me?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 4: Way good?

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Speaker 2: She was a secretary of State, she had also I

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Speaker 2: would assume access to this information higher, you know, everybody

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Speaker 2: seemed to have this access or.

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Speaker 11: Any familiar exactly. If she doesn't know anything about that stuff,

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Speaker 11: she definitely knows everything about her husband.

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Speaker 7: Oh of course, of course. I just find it hard

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Speaker 7: to believe that she doesn't know Jeffrey. I just find

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Speaker 7: it hard to believe, Oh.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, she doesn't know him. Nope, never ring in the

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Speaker 11: same circle, she probably never doesn't know the guy.

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Speaker 4: And meanwhile, Glene Maxwell's at Chelsea's wedding.

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Speaker 11: Now, I did think the world that we're like it's

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Speaker 11: like What's Up movie where everybody was like just inside

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Speaker 11: of a bubble.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Truman Show. Just were you listening to us?

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Speaker 3: Just before the show.

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Speaker 2: Started, We were just saying this, it seems like we're

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Speaker 2: in the Truman Show. However, there's an upside to that,

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Speaker 2: and this is your for your birthday to us basically.

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Speaker 2: You know, look, I think it seems like we've all

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Speaker 2: seems like we've been separated the left from the right,

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Speaker 11: My father and I have always been on opposite sides

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Speaker 11: It's like you guys always say, this is it, This

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Speaker 7: You know, well, Emily, hopefully, you know, hopefully your word

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Speaker 7: Happy happy birthday. But yeah, maybe this is the turning point.

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Speaker 7: Maybe this is, you know, the way we move forward.

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Speaker 6: Although she praised the Committee chairman James Comer for addressing

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Speaker 6: So that was a reassuring way and a very long,

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Speaker 4: Now she done.

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Speaker 7: Now does she is? She doesn't have to go back

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Speaker 3: Is that exactly? Listen, listen up.

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Speaker 2: We're all not billionaires and gus what we don't have

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Speaker 3: We actually have everything we need. We have all each other.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 3: Body move in.

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Speaker 2: We have Taha, Sam and Adam in the house as well,

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Speaker 2: waiting for your call.

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Speaker 3: Eight eight, eight to three, one crime. Happy birthday, Emily.

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Speaker 2: We're so glad that you called. And keep the talkbacks coming.

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Speaker 2: There's so many big cases to get to. So body

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Speaker 2: this next one, I mean the Meta Meta Yeah, meta case.

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Speaker 3: This is monumental potentially, right.

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Speaker 7: So Meta is like Facebook and WhatsApp and Instagram, and

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Speaker 4: It's KGM.

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Speaker 7: Okay, she's twenty years old, and she's the first plaintiff

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Speaker 7: She sued YouTube, Snapchat and TikTok. All right, well, Google,

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Speaker 4: This is like a class action. She's basically representative.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is there's monumental we know this to

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Speaker 7: I think, like, Okay, so sometimes when I get sad,

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Speaker 7: So if I'm looking for something sad, right, I'm going

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Speaker 2: And by the way, while we're at it, why don't

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Speaker 7: So, today she testified that social media made her an

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Speaker 7: Saying that algorithm fed it fed her everything she wanted,

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Speaker 7: She created multiple counts in buying things to feel popular

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Speaker 7: Common, right? She said that you know she uses YouTube

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Speaker 3: Wow powerful.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how moving and powerful that must

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Speaker 7: So, her former therapist, her name is Victoria Burke, testified

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Speaker 4: Cause, right, But I don't know what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: They are meant to be so like they are cooking

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Speaker 7: So one of the things that she's alleging that these

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we're all experiencing it ourselves right now.

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Speaker 2: We're looking about Epstein files, you know, very sad, scary

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Speaker 2: and looks Paltrow's new shoes at nine years old.

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Speaker 7: Though, when you're nine years old, I think your parents,

444
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Speaker 7: you know, maybe should have something to do with your true.

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Speaker 2: True But it's like it's like not the real world either.

446
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Speaker 2: Kids are in the real world, in the world. But yes,

447
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Speaker 2: of course the parents should be controlled it. And I

448
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Speaker 2: know any parent and we all try.

449
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Speaker 3: But I don't know. It's a tough one.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about

451
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Speaker 4: this one. I'm not sure what do you mean.

452
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Speaker 7: I just I don't know if right, this case right.

453
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Speaker 7: I just don't know, and maybe I'm wrong, and I'm

454
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Speaker 7: okay with being wrong, and I'd love to talk about it. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 7: I just don't know what responsibilities meta And you know,

456
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Speaker 7: all these all these companies have to protect children who

457
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Speaker 7: have parents.

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Speaker 4: Well, but there's also they are creating.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I grant you everything and people you know and parents,

460
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Speaker 6: I grant you that. However, they are specifically building all

461
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Speaker 6: of this content and pushing it out in a way

462
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Speaker 6: that is known to be addictive.

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Speaker 4: I mean, social media.

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Speaker 6: Has no breed banned in the continent of Australia for

465
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Speaker 6: good reason. And it is also study after study after study.

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Speaker 6: It is known too in prease depression and body dysmorphia,

467
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Speaker 6: and and yet they continue pushing it out so that

468
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Speaker 6: hype continues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's literally there's a science to it.

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Speaker 2: And if you're looking at young brains specifically and as

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Speaker 2: they're growing and developing, the science of it does show

472
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Speaker 2: that just having access to this much flicker and the

473
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Speaker 2: lights and this and then that and all of the

474
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Speaker 2: things that frankly I suffer.

475
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Speaker 3: From and have to put a certain time out.

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Speaker 2: Right, imagine the little young in who can't make those choices.

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Speaker 2: You there, I know this, but also Meta knows this too,

478
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Speaker 2: because they're increasing production and they're increasing sign ups and

479
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Speaker 2: also not putting enough safety measures on it.

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Speaker 7: But you know this as a parent, right, you're a parent,

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Speaker 7: or let's say you're a parent and you still allow

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Speaker 7: your children to have these social media apps.

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Speaker 3: Well, right, yes, but on much limited use.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, yeah, because that's how every single person communicates

485
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Speaker 2: at this point, and it was COVID. Everybody we all

486
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Speaker 2: broke during COVID. It just became a survival thing of well,

487
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Speaker 2: by the way, this is what the excuses that I

488
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Speaker 2: tell myself, No, that's nice. Where when sideways, I thought

489
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Speaker 2: I would never and we would not have survived COVID

490
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Speaker 2: without roadblocks, And now I'm realizing that that was a

491
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Speaker 2: whole super messive.

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Speaker 6: Also, Stephanie. I mean, it was literally the window to

493
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Speaker 6: the world. It was stool and social life and there

494
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Speaker 6: is nothing else when you're a child, period the end.

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Speaker 4: And that's true.

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Speaker 10: Was it? That was it?

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Speaker 2: So now we're we're not that, but we're not in

498
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Speaker 2: COVID now, but we're talking for newbies too.

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Speaker 3: That it increased the volume is what they've been doing.

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Speaker 2: And I think within Meta, the goal has been to

501
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Speaker 2: increase subscriptions, increase usage by twenty five percent in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: How do you do that?

504
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Speaker 2: You have to target the young, you do, that's the

505
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Speaker 2: best market audience. That happens in television too. That's what's

506
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Speaker 2: going to be your next consumer.

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Speaker 9: The body Or is it because I'm wrapped my head

508
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Speaker 9: around with no. No, I'm because I think I know

509
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Speaker 9: where you're going. But is it you think it should

510
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Speaker 9: fall more on the parents, like it's more responsibility, Like

511
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Speaker 9: all of this shouldn't be I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I just I'm not sure I'm one hundred

514
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Speaker 7: percent behind this the civil suit. I'm just not sure.

515
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Speaker 7: I'm like go KGM, I'm just not sure. I'm not

516
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Speaker 7: definitely not for like Meta and all in Google and

517
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Speaker 7: all that. I just don't know what responsibilities shift from

518
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Speaker 7: the companies to the parents.

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Speaker 4: Does it feel to you.

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Speaker 6: Like if someone is suing McDonald's because they're overweight?

521
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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Is that a terrible analogy?

523
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Speaker 2: It's a great actually similar to that. That's that's how

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Speaker 2: I hear it. But maybe also yeah, and I see

525
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Speaker 2: what you're saying it it's maybe not this extreme case, right,

526
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Speaker 2: because we've also covered so many extreme cases here with

527
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Speaker 2: cyber bullying and social media having such a devastating effect

528
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Speaker 2: on kids and it having such dire, deadly circumstances. Is

529
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Speaker 2: it because maybe this that the actual underpinnings of this

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Speaker 2: particular case, in her particular story isn't as.

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Speaker 3: You know, big in that regard.

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Speaker 7: Maybe, I mean, there are some really bad cases of

533
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Speaker 7: cy you know, cyber bullying that's been done on social media.

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Speaker 7: You know, I can go through some if you guys want,

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Speaker 7: but you know, many times these kid you know, teenagers

536
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Speaker 7: are cyber bullied via social media, right exactly, and and

537
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Speaker 7: many times, I mean there's so many cases of these children,

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Speaker 7: you know, killing themselves because the cyber bowling is relentless,

539
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Speaker 7: and it's so much easier to cyber bully somebody remotely, right,

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Speaker 7: Like you don't have to see them, you don't have

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Speaker 7: to face them, you don't have to you know, see

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Speaker 7: the tears welling up in their eyes, right because they're

543
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Speaker 7: being so it's so much easier to do. But it's

544
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Speaker 7: still so hurtful to the person on that on the

545
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Speaker 7: and you know, it's still so hurtful, incredibly nihilating.

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Speaker 4: Not yes, yes, that's a great thing.

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Speaker 7: Right Now, here's the problem though, there's section two thirty, right,

548
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Speaker 7: and Section two thirty is part of the Communications Decency Act,

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Speaker 7: and I think it was I think it was passed

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Speaker 7: in like the nineties or maybe the early two thousands,

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Speaker 7: I can't remember. And basically what it says is that

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Speaker 7: the platforms are not responsible for the content they host.

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Speaker 4: They just host the content, right.

554
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Speaker 7: The problem now, though, is these algorithms are pushing those

555
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Speaker 7: that content, right, and so the way we signed now exactly.

556
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Speaker 2: It's a different set of circumstances when we differ on Facebook.

557
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Speaker 2: We thought we were signing up to swap recipes thigh school. Yeah,

558
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: and that was fun for a hot second, but that's

559
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Speaker 2: not what it became. It grew into an algorithm, or

560
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: the algorithm became it, and that became a different machine.

561
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Speaker 2: But now we didn't get to rechoose our usage, I suppose.

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Speaker 3: So the genie was out of the bottle.

563
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Speaker 7: We were already the bottle, right, So, I mean, I

564
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Speaker 7: just don't know where the responsibility falls, Like, I think

565
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 7: this is definitely a moral question.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know the answer.

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Speaker 7: And I think it's easier for me to be like, well,

568
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Speaker 7: the parents should because I'm not a parent, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

570
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Speaker 2: You don't have to be a parent to see to

571
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Speaker 2: have an opinion about well, I think as a parent

572
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Speaker 2: I get confused by it.

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Speaker 7: Well, I know, But what I'm saying is, though it's

574
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Speaker 7: real easy for me to say, well, just don't give

575
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Speaker 7: your kids social media, I don't have to deal with

576
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Speaker 7: the consequences of that, right, where.

577
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Speaker 2: As same advice to somebody, though if if if able

578
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Speaker 2: to do it again, I would do it different, right,

579
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Speaker 2: but then you're going to have.

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Speaker 4: A kid that's ostracized because they don't have social media.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's why we all have to band together when

582
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Speaker 2: we all start banning definitely all colors, all races, all sexes,

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Speaker 2: and no social media has that.

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Speaker 10: I think it's well.

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Speaker 6: People who can make packs young when it starts and

586
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Speaker 6: you have you know, your little right with friends, it's

587
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Speaker 6: just you hit an age and the age is young.

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Speaker 4: It's young. I know it is young.

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Speaker 7: It's well, I'm saying it happened when she was you know,

590
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Speaker 7: started when she was six.

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Speaker 3: I cannot imagine giving.

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Speaker 4: Social media.

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Speaker 7: I just cannot imagine at some point the parents have

594
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Speaker 7: to be like, you're a little too young to be

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Speaker 7: on Instagram at six years old.

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Speaker 3: I mean now just playing Devil's advocate of that.

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Speaker 2: What about you know parents that you know want their

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Speaker 2: kids to be able to access them in an emergency.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a phone though that you gets a phone call, that's.

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Speaker 10: Not a phone watch.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people use Facebook for audio phone audio.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

603
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Speaker 2: And we already figuring out the world's problems. We have

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Speaker 2: a solve for what we were just talking about in

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Speaker 2: terms of social media.

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Speaker 4: We'll come back to that because saving the world.

607
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Speaker 2: We're saving the world already, so we mind we have

608
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Speaker 2: to come back to that, but we can't do it

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Speaker 2: yet because we have Cynthia on the line.

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Speaker 15: Hi, Cynthia, Hi there everybody tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're so good. Two of our favorites tonight with us.

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Speaker 2: We're so happy you called.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for calling.

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Speaker 11: Uh I was able to call.

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Speaker 15: It's been a long work week. I got my sweatshirt, yeah,

616
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 15: so thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 16: I just want to weigh in on the social.

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Speaker 15: Media class action lawsuit where body was saying, like, you know,

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Speaker 15: it's parents' responsibility, which I agree with, so you know,

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Speaker 15: they should be aware of what their kids are doing.

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Speaker 16: Sure, but it's kind of like the social media class

622
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Speaker 16: action suit, which is probably what it's going to end

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Speaker 16: up being, is very much like the lawsuit of tobacco

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Speaker 16: yester years.

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Speaker 10: That's right, we were.

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Speaker 15: Doing all kinds of things and then eventually it came

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Speaker 15: about where they got sued as well. So I think

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Speaker 15: the social media thing is basically that same thing. Now,

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Speaker 15: like it's our version, this generation version of the tobacco thing.

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Speaker 15: So you mean teenagers, you know, like the legal age

631
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Speaker 15: for smoking was like sixteen, nineteen twenty. Wherever you were living,

632
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Speaker 15: you wouldn't be able to go to storm bias agress,

633
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Speaker 15: but you still manage to get them if you wanted

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Speaker 15: to smoke bad enough, you know exactly.

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Speaker 2: I still smoked in the bathroom on the breaks during

636
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Speaker 2: school sometime. As you know, you would still find your

637
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Speaker 2: way if you wanted to, but it was still harder.

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Speaker 15: That's right, that's right, and so like if you wanted

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 15: it bad enough, it was happening. And I think the

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Speaker 15: social media thing is is the tobacco of today, but

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Speaker 15: it's even I think social media thing is more dangerous.

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Speaker 15: Could you get exposed to strangers, like younger people are

643
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Speaker 15: getting exposed to strangers who have bad intentions. So and

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Speaker 15: not all parents are very much up onto tech. You know,

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Speaker 15: they know them, but they they're not like tech savvy.

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Speaker 4: Totally agree.

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Speaker 6: And one other thing Cynthia on the tobacco analogy is

648
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Speaker 6: part of what came out is how much big tobacco

649
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Speaker 6: was marketing to children, how allegedly it wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 6: be for x amount of age. Just as social media

651
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Speaker 6: they are marketing to children even though they're saying, oh, well,

652
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Speaker 6: you know you're not supposed to do it until you're fourteen,

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Speaker 6: sixteen or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's a great analogy, it really is.

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Speaker 15: And hopefully that hopefully like it comes out sooner than like,

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Speaker 15: you know, decades down the line, so that we don't

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Speaker 15: have people, you know, dying as a result of you know, uh,

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Speaker 15: you know, overuse of social media and getting exposed to

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Speaker 15: you know, too much information or strangers and that sort

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Speaker 15: of thing.

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Speaker 4: So it's very concerning.

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Speaker 15: Like I don't have children myself, but I could see

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Speaker 15: it happening to like, you know, individuals.

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Speaker 7: I think it's like, I think it's like the tobacco thing,

665
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Speaker 7: if the parents were buying them, the kids the cigarettes,

666
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Speaker 7: but otherwise I don't think it's the same at all.

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Speaker 4: This is body by the way.

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Speaker 7: I think that buying the tobacco for the kids, then

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Speaker 7: it's very much the same thing. Otherwise it's not the

670
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Speaker 7: same thing at all, because in the situation with the

671
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Speaker 7: social media that parents are buying the kids the tablets,

672
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Speaker 7: they're buying the kids the computers, and they're buying the

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Speaker 7: fair it's.

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Speaker 3: A very fair point, a tough one, it's a really

675
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Speaker 3: good point.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, but it gets it unfortunately, gets past the point

677
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Speaker 15: where you know their their intention is that you're going

678
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Speaker 15: to use it for school. Bit is socialization, but uh,

679
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Speaker 15: it just kind of like it just escalates, you know,

680
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Speaker 15: and parents aren't as savvy as they could be, some

681
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Speaker 15: of them, and that's where the problems come in. And

682
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Speaker 15: you're right, like parents still go out by a cigarette,

683
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Speaker 15: but some of them may have I don't know, Like

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Speaker 15: I don't smoke.

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Speaker 4: I used to smoke.

686
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Speaker 15: I've never smoked.

687
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Speaker 4: So my mom send me with.

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Speaker 7: A note and it was I always should give me

689
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Speaker 7: five quarters. And she would say, let Deanna buy a

690
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Speaker 7: pack of Salem Ultra one hundred's and I would hand

691
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Speaker 7: the note to the gas station attendant and he would

692
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Speaker 7: give me the cigarettes and I would give him the

693
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Speaker 7: five quarters and I would walk back home with my

694
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Speaker 7: mom's cigarettes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was by my dad's smokes. I'm not kidding.

696
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Speaker 4: I do not care. And their garden, yeah yeah, I

697
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Speaker 4: would walk into the bodegue.

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Speaker 7: Is all right, but like, so thank you for the way, appreciate.

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Speaker 7: We're so glad that you got this watch. Thank you,

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Speaker 7: thank you for the wear it in great health. I

701
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Speaker 7: think it's a good analogy.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 7: I think Cynthia has a really good point. I just

704
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Speaker 7: don't think it's exactly I mean, obviously nothing is going

705
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Speaker 7: to be exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: I no, no, I see what you're saying, though, I.

707
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Speaker 3: See what you're saying. Everything is as important as everybody.

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Speaker 4: They're all saying. Everybody's saying, oh social media is bad

709
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: for kids. Okay, well then don't buy your kid a

710
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Speaker 4: phone and a tablets. It's not that easy.

711
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Speaker 7: Are you telling me that they can't survive in school

712
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Speaker 7: without they're not provided tablets in the classroom, because I.

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Speaker 2: Know they are telling you that they are given tablets

714
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Speaker 2: within the classroom, and on those tablets are not allowed

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Speaker 2: to use social media correct And in some places, in

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Speaker 2: some schools are very very buttoned up with it and

717
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Speaker 2: they put it in a little bag and it's like dice.

718
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Speaker 3: And in other.

719
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Speaker 2: Schools it's a total free for all or that you know,

720
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Speaker 2: they say that they're not allowed to, but you know,

721
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: somehow everyone has their phone out or is communicating. So

722
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Speaker 2: you know, we see all versions of this. It's almost

723
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: like the stop needs to happen now.

724
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Speaker 3: So I agree. I think we're I think everybody's right here.

725
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Speaker 2: We all have we all have to put a stop

726
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Speaker 2: on it, so that from this day forward, you know,

727
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: maybe if all kids don't have access and it's not

728
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Speaker 2: on the menu anymore, then they're not being ostracized, and

729
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: then everybody is out of it altogether and everybody will

730
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Speaker 2: have better mental health. And maybe there is a license

731
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Speaker 2: or something, or a certain age license that they have,

732
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Speaker 2: Try has.

733
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Speaker 7: Like you have to be sixteen or something to create

734
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure we're appropriate how it works technically.

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Speaker 4: Is something like that like something that we could do here?

736
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Speaker 4: Like is that something to think about.

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Isolate the Constitution? Do children not have? Are they not

739
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Speaker 7: protected under I don't know. I'm just talking.

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Speaker 3: I should do that instead.

741
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Speaker 9: It's a certain age limit that you're allowed to purchase them,

742
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Speaker 9: and if you violate that, you know you're in trouble.

743
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Speaker 9: You can't do it, So I think you're on the

744
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Speaker 9: right path. No, I don't know the answer, like you,

745
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Speaker 9: like I'm pleased the non parent in the room.

746
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for me.

747
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Speaker 9: I can't imagine, you know how challenging it is. But

748
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Speaker 9: I can also see any kid who's not on social

749
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Speaker 9: media or doesn't have a phone, they're gonna feel completely ostracized.

750
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Speaker 9: They're not that's it seems like that's the only way

751
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 9: that all kids communicate now, so I can see what

752
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Speaker 9: a tough road it is to travel down.

753
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Speaker 10: But sure, but I like the idea you guys are

754
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Speaker 10: talking about sixteen.

755
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Speaker 17: I like it.

756
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Speaker 2: I would say to any parent who's on the fence

757
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: to definitely not give your child social media. Personally, I

758
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't knowing what personally I know now. I wish I

759
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: could put that genie entirely back in the bottle and

760
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: have done as many restrictions as humanly possible. I'm a

761
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Speaker 2: nuts nothing. And by the way, they're smarter than me.

762
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Speaker 2: You know, everybody started to mayo when it comes to

763
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Speaker 2: this stuff.

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Speaker 10: You're even the.

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Speaker 7: Most kids are even the most minor thing, right, Like

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Speaker 7: compare I always say to myself, like that one quote,

767
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 7: comparison is a thief of joy, right, because when you

768
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Speaker 7: compare yourself to other people just didn't it makes it

769
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Speaker 7: just makes you feel bad, right, So, and on social

770
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Speaker 7: media that's all it is, like, Oh I wish I

771
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Speaker 7: had that house, or I wish I had that body,

772
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Speaker 7: or I wish I had that hair, I wish I

773
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Speaker 7: had that shampoo.

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Speaker 4: Oh she's got such pretty eyes. Why are my eyes

775
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Speaker 4: brown and hers blue? Do you know what I mean?

776
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Speaker 7: Like with all the filters and stuff, I just think,

777
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Speaker 7: of course, at a minimum, comparison is a joy.

778
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Speaker 2: At the minimum, all the misinformation that we know we're

779
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Speaker 2: going to be getting as well.

780
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Speaker 3: Now let's add AI to that. I think hopefully the.

781
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Speaker 2: Next generation of kids, this next generation of young adults,

782
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: you know, they're going to have to put away the

783
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: botox because we want to make sure that our faces

784
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Speaker 2: are identifiable and not being frozen. So when AI kicks

785
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Speaker 2: in that were our author enticity and our trueness and

786
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: our truth and being you know, real with each other,

787
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Speaker 2: it's not even.

788
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Speaker 3: Just always being nice.

789
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Speaker 4: Being real.

790
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Speaker 2: Will actually be our only commodity, you know, in such

791
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Speaker 2: a meaningful way.

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Speaker 9: Agreed, greedul do a table that for Yeah, I was

793
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Speaker 9: going to just say, for now, let's shift gears and

794
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Speaker 9: maybe we can go to some talkbacks.

795
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Speaker 5: Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio, I'm a mother infant nurse,

796
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Speaker 5: and I just wanted to share that there is a

797
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Speaker 5: dedicated maternal mental health crisis hotline. It's one eight three

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Speaker 5: three TLC MAMA one eight three three t LC m

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Speaker 5: A m A. It's a twenty four to seven Crisis

800
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Speaker 5: Hotline for moms. You can call any time for support

801
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Speaker 5: and please call.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 7: I love that we were talking about a post part

804
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 7: for me. We're talking about postprodum and what it does

805
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 7: to women, and you know how dangerous it can be

806
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 7: too for the infants and the children in their care,

807
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 7: and you know how how it's not really taken seriously.

808
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 7: So that is a really really important film number. I'm

809
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 7: gonna repeat it for those who need it. If you

810
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Speaker 7: need this and you hear me, please call one eight

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Speaker 7: three three t l C. M A m A and listen.

812
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 7: I know how hard it is to make that call,

813
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 7: even just sometimes get out of bed and take a shower.

814
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 7: But you are worth it. Your children are worth it.

815
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Speaker 7: Please give them a call and we so appreciate that talkback.

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Speaker 7: One eight three three t l C. Mama, It's gonna

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Speaker 7: be okay.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, beautiful, so beautiful.

820
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Speaker 4: It was a great talk back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a good talkback. What else?

822
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Speaker 10: One?

823
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Speaker 8: Hi, This is Alicia from Mississippi. I just wanted to

824
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Speaker 8: Mama bear for a second. My girl, Stephanie. I'm just

825
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 8: goot caught up on an episode. But one thing that

826
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Speaker 8: you can always rely on. Is when Stephanie gets passionate

827
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 8: about something, girl, she is like firecracker. There is no

828
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 8: stopping her. So I just wanted to remind send a

829
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Speaker 8: little reminder Stephanie to make sure to remember to breathe.

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Speaker 7: Girl when when she gets okay, let me just tell

831
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Speaker 7: you a little inside this fall when she starts going

832
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 7: on her tangent. I love them, by the way, but

833
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 7: I just sort of put my microphone up.

834
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Speaker 4: In the air and I just kind of sit back

835
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Speaker 4: and just let her go.

836
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm swallowing a diet coke as we speak to make

837
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Speaker 2: sure that I'm fully breathing.

838
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Speaker 4: But yes, oh my gosh, we have a corynother caller.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we have Michelle on the line. Wants

840
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Speaker 9: to weigh in on social media. Michelle, are you there

841
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Speaker 9: with us?

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Speaker 18: Michelle? I, yesel, this is my friend.

843
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Speaker 3: This is my Michell the school teacher.

844
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Speaker 7: The school teacher. Yes, oh my god, stuff you've remembered.

845
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Speaker 7: Of course she actually meet you, guys, bracelets. I meant

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Speaker 7: to ask, anyway, I'll be with you after the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeas anyway a bracelet.

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Speaker 18: Im So, I've been an educator for a really long

849
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Speaker 18: time and I.

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Speaker 13: Was an insistant principle, and you know, discipline and safety

851
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 13: was a huge.

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Speaker 18: Part of my responsibility. Now, granted I wasn't an insistant

853
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 18: principal when there wasn't social media. However, there has always

854
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 18: been conflict.

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Speaker 13: There was a lot you.

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Speaker 18: Know that that was stems of social media, but then

857
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Speaker 18: there was also conflict before social media, right, so we

858
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 18: have that and a lot of times parents you know,

859
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Speaker 18: didn't know that their child and they did have these

860
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Speaker 18: restrictions and there was still a way for children to

861
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Speaker 18: get onto the apps. Now I want to go to

862
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Speaker 18: the analogy of doing McDonald's for you being overweight, right,

863
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 18: and so that's kind of like this you know thing there,

864
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Speaker 18: But think about it as a result of those types

865
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Speaker 18: of suits, we have transparency with menu. Like I remember

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Speaker 18: a time when you wouldn't know what was in the

867
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Speaker 18: food you're eating. You didn't have you don't know how

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Speaker 18: many calories fat ingredients. You know, we didn't have the

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Speaker 18: web to like look that up or it wasn't even

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Speaker 18: easy and so it seems kind of like outrageous, But

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Speaker 18: if you think about how those policies have changed, and

872
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Speaker 18: so maybe these type of lawsuits can change.

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Speaker 13: Where we know that these young people everyone's going to

874
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Speaker 13: be on social media.

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Speaker 18: You have the power of an algorithm. Use that power

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Speaker 18: to teach digital.

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Speaker 13: Citizenship and digital civility in addition to everything there. Because

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Speaker 13: I don't think we're getting away from the social media.

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Speaker 18: So that was kind of a lot. But that's those

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Speaker 18: are my two cents.

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Speaker 7: And that's a really good point because yes, she wants

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Speaker 7: a sweatshirt. That's a really good point because you know,

883
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Speaker 7: there was a I think there was like a law

884
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Speaker 7: that was passed or something where the fast food restaurant

885
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 7: had to start putting the calories on the menu, right,

886
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 7: And it was because of this transparency.

887
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: So maybe Michelle restaurants too.

888
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 7: So maybe maybe the fix here is they have to

889
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 7: be transparent with their algorithm, right, which is never going

890
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: to happen. Or maybe you can opt out of said algorithm.

891
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

892
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 7: Oh I don't know, like that leave me out of

893
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 7: your algorithm? I you know, would it work? I don't

894
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 7: even know. Is it something that they can do. I

895
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 7: have literally no idea. I'm just talking. But Michelle, thank

896
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 7: you for the call. Of course, I love you and

897
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 7: I'll talk to you later. And I promised to tell

898
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 7: them about the bracelets. I told her yesterday. I said,

899
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 7: I promised to tell them about the bracelets.

900
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 4: I forgot.

901
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 7: Like it's been busy, but thank you Michelle for the call.

902
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 9: Thank you Michelle, and stay on the line and talk

903
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 9: to either Sam or Adam to get your info so

904
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 9: we can get that sweatshirt to you.

905
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: I'll get it.

906
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 10: Oh, that's right.

907
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: She's a very good friend of mine, like super good friend.

908
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

909
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 4: She's a teacher. She teaches little boys, middle school boys,

910
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 4: middle school boys. Yeah. I remember thinking she's a really

911
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: very very special, very special.

912
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Speaker 7: She's very into stem and like she teaches I mean

913
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 7: obviously her regular curriculum, you know, a B, C, D, E

914
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Speaker 7: F G. Also teaching these kids' skills like soldering and

915
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 7: making little robots. And it's not making the robots that's

916
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Speaker 7: going to give.

917
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Speaker 4: Him a skill.

918
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 7: It's the electronics of it all, right, of course, and

919
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 7: drones and you know, of course little boys, I mean

920
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 7: they're going to love that kind of stuff.

921
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: So I love Michelle.

922
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 6: Michelle with noel, with one L, with one L the

923
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 6: other ways she listen, stick around because coming up at

924
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 6: the top of the hour, we're going to get into

925
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Speaker 6: the details of Colin Gray. He's the father accused of

926
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 6: giving his son the rifle he allegedly.

927
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: Used school shooting.

928
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Speaker 3: Here we go.

929
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 6: Prosecution, rest of their case. Keep it here True Crime Tonight,

930
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 6: We're talking true crime all the time.

931
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

932
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

933
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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we're still glad

934
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Speaker 2: you're here with us too, if you want to join

935
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Speaker 2: the conversation.

936
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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime.

937
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Speaker 2: So, another big day in the courtroom today, the dad

938
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Speaker 2: who is basically standing trial for his son's How would

939
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: I even say this because it's alleged his son's.

940
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Speaker 6: Yeah, order school shooting. Yeah, he is alleged. Okay, so on,

941
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Speaker 6: just if you're catching up on this. In September of

942
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, there was a mass shooting at a

943
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Speaker 6: high school in Georgia. Four people were dead, nine others

944
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Speaker 6: were injured. And then now the father of the accused shooter.

945
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Speaker 6: So the dad is named Colin Gray. He has been

946
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 6: on trial and today marked the ninth day of the

947
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Speaker 6: proceeding against the defendant Colin Gray. Now this father faces

948
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Speaker 6: twenty nine charges. That includes two counts of second degree

949
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 6: murder and two counts of involuntary manslaughter.

950
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: So these are.

951
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Speaker 6: Huge charges with huge potential for incarceration if he has

952
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 6: found guilty. The prosecutors in this case, they allege that

953
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Speaker 6: the father, Colin Gray, gave his son the assault style

954
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 6: weapon as a Christmas gift while he knew about his

955
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 6: son's worsening mental health and fascination with school shootings. His

956
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 6: son was fourteen at the time of the shooting. The

957
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 6: defendant dad, has pleaded not guilty, So that is what

958
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 6: we're talking about in the details of the trial are

959
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: very compelling, but first let's go to a talk.

960
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 19: Back Hello True crime tonight. I think that for holding

961
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Speaker 19: the data accountable for the gun violence and the son,

962
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 19: I think he should be held accountable. If you were

963
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Speaker 19: to give a minor alcohol and he were to be

964
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Speaker 19: in an accident it hurt somebody else, you would be

965
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 19: held accountable for giving him the alcohol. So I think

966
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Speaker 19: the same logic applies here. He's not old enough to

967
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Speaker 19: buy the gun, so the father should be held accountable

968
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 19: for providing that weapon. This is Tatiana from California, by

969
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 19: the way.

970
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 3: I agree, right nice job, well said, I totally agree,

971
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 3: agree to touch you here. I totally agree here here.

972
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: So I'll buy.

973
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: Somebody a rifle underage, right.

974
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 6: That's right, particularly after being warned about his son's mental troubles.

975
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 6: So yesterday, day eight of the trial, and during the trial,

976
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Speaker 6: jurors viewed a two and a half hour recorded police

977
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Speaker 6: interview of the father. The defense also played Jenny Gray,

978
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Speaker 6: who was the sister to the alleged shooter, played her

979
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 6: interview during cross examination. So this interview it confirmed things

980
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 6: that already had been presented, but you got to see

981
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: the dad. So the defendant did admit to buying the

982
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Speaker 6: ar style rifle as a Christmas gift, as well as

983
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Speaker 6: storing it unlocked and letting his fourteen year old son

984
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Speaker 6: take it to his room. In this interview, the defendant

985
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 6: was quite emotional, repeated saying he never imagined the shooting

986
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 6: would happened. He did admit he should have done more,

987
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Speaker 6: including the guns buying a gun safe, and also said

988
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Speaker 6: that he had planned to remove guns from the home

989
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 6: if his fourteen year old son time continued to show

990
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 6: concerning behavior. He was placed under arrest at the end

991
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Speaker 6: of this interview.

992
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Speaker 4: By the way, skipping to.

993
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 6: And I feel for this girl. I can't even say

994
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 6: skipping to Jenny Gray. Now, she's a year younger than

995
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 6: the alleged shooter and is also the daughter of the defendant.

996
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: So sister, yeah, okay, correct.

997
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 6: So she described her brother as sometimes happy and chill,

998
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 6: but also that he could be closed off and aggressive

999
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 6: and put holes in the walls and doors. And she

1000
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 6: also noted that he did admire her brother did admire

1001
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 6: past school shooters, I know, including having a shrine to

1002
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 6: a school shooter who the father was aware existed in

1003
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: his room.

1004
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 4: Now.

1005
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 6: The sister also testified to sort of family instability. The

1006
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 6: family moved frequently, there were financial struggles, the mom split

1007
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 6: their time between home, and had substance speed issues. And

1008
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Speaker 6: the sister also testified that she witnessed physical fights between

1009
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 6: the accused shooter and his father, often with her brother

1010
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: instigating these physical fights.

1011
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 7: Oh wow, so they were like if they were physical fights,

1012
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 7: they weren't just verbal altercations. He was picking fights with

1013
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 7: his dad. That's mine, that's right. Oh, that's right, okay, wow.

1014
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 6: And she also described her father has so many kids though,

1015
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 6: so many kids, oh, picking fights with their father.

1016
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: There's something with my audio.

1017
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 6: I'm gonna oh, okay, Sam and Adams, Sam and Adam

1018
00:52:52,880 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 6: do your magic. So the sister and her there brother

1019
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 6: or the alleged shooter, they had multiple conversations. Excuse me,

1020
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 6: the sister and her father on trial, they had multiple

1021
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 6: conversations about her brother needing counseling for anger and behavioral issues.

1022
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 6: So that brings us up to today. Okay, Now today

1023
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 6: in court, prosecutors rested their case. They're done, and this

1024
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 6: is so interesting to me. We'll have to ask Jarrett Farantino.

1025
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 6: So the defense said that Colin Gray, the defendant, will

1026
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 6: be their only witness when proceedings resume tomorrow.

1027
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 4: So he's going to testify. A he's going to testify

1028
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 4: be he's the only one. He's taking the stand in

1029
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: his own defense. Correct, Okay?

1030
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 9: I would ask Jarrett though, like that, that's an unusual

1031
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 9: strategy to be Like, I would think they would have

1032
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 9: brought you know, therapists or doctor like more.

1033
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: Right, I totally agree to.

1034
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 6: I thought it would be you know, experts on you know,

1035
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 6: not being accountable for your children.

1036
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: Can I make a prediction?

1037
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 7: Okay, Now we're learning this kid was pretty violent even

1038
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 7: with this family, right, he had some problems, he had

1039
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 7: some mental problems that you know, it seems like maybe

1040
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 7: Mom might have been trying to get some help for

1041
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 7: him and Dad was kind of resistant. Now, listen, here's

1042
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 7: what I'm predicting. I'm predicting that Dad is going to

1043
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 7: say he bought the gun because it was the only

1044
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 7: thing that made his son happy, and he was so

1045
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 7: stressed out from his son's behavior that it's the only

1046
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 7: thing that kept things calm in the house.

1047
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 10: M Okay, something like that, something that I could see that.

1048
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna use like the worst example

1049
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 7: in the world, Okay, Okay. I give Yogi, my dog,

1050
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 7: a specific treat, Okay, And I know it's bad for him,

1051
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 7: but it's the only thing in the world that he

1052
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 7: loves more than me.

1053
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: Okay, is this treat.

1054
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 7: And when he gets anxious, I give him this treat

1055
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 7: because I don't want to deal with the anxiety, do

1056
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 7: you know what I mean?

1057
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: Even though I know it's bad for him.

1058
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 7: Right, even though I mean it's not going to hurt

1059
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 7: anybody else like a gun, but I do it because

1060
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 7: I'm so stressed out from the day at work. I'm

1061
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 7: trying to like lay in bed and he Yogi's going

1062
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 7: crazy and it's the only thing that like calms him

1063
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 7: down is the street.

1064
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: Okay, right, It's kind of like that.

1065
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 7: And so I mean, I do it, and I feel

1066
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 7: like the dad is going to say something like this,

1067
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 7: like you know, it was only if I took it

1068
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 7: way away from him, it would have been a disaster.

1069
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 10: He's right, Well, how about getting therapy or how.

1070
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 7: He didn't want to go? The sun didn't I'm predicting

1071
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 7: the sun. He refused to go, and he has autonomy.

1072
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 7: I can't make him go. I don't know something like that.

1073
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 6: Well, in the trial, I think you're very well on

1074
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 6: track because it has come out obviously not in the

1075
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 6: defendant in Dad's own words, but the others that indeed

1076
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 6: the gun allegedly was bought for hunting, and it seemed

1077
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 6: to exactly right make him happy, and with regards I.

1078
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 7: Would love to talk to a hunter. I don't have

1079
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 7: a lot of hunters in my life. Yeah, do hunters

1080
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 7: use that kind of weapon? I don't think they do.

1081
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 7: They use a rifle, but it's like a bold to action,

1082
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 7: isn't it. I don't think they use like AR fifteen

1083
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 7: kind of maybe they do.

1084
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll look into for I get a hunter or

1085
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 9: any hunters out there that want to call in. But

1086
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 9: I thought the same thing, like that's just experienced. What

1087
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 9: are you hunting like water, buffalo?

1088
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 6: Like it just seems well bear, I mean in only

1089
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 6: Oh maybe some Google search that you might use in

1090
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 6: AR fifteen, if hunting bears.

1091
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 4: Got people and Georgia, I don't, I know.

1092
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 7: So I'm from Michigan and I have a lot of

1093
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 7: hunters in my family who, sadly I don't like this

1094
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 7: at all, but they used to hunt bear in Michigan,

1095
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 7: and but they would go to Canada to do it.

1096
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 7: Canada's right there, so I mean, you know, it was

1097
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 7: like a big deal. But I know they do bear

1098
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 7: hunting in my family, but I don't think they ever

1099
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 7: used the air fifteens.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. It's one of those cases though.

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: Thank god we're talking about it though, because who doesn't

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00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: have moments that slip.

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: Through the cracks?

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: Right Again, we're talking about social media, and again this

1105
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: is like calling all parents, right, calling all humans, I

1106
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: should say, yeah, like sometimes and this is a very

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: extreme example of that. I totally agree AR fifteen to

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old you know, who already has displayed

1109
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: some stuff is also a big piece of this puzzle. Obviously,

1110
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: that to me just seems so like bad judgment. But

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: I also know the world is really busy, and you

1112
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: have two parents that are going through a separation and

1113
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: schools and kids and financial stresses and jobs, and they're infeuding,

1114
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: and this is how things slip through the cat cracks.

1115
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: And it's a little bit of a wake up call

1116
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: to anybody who's you.

1117
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: Know, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, and.

1118
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: You just want to connect with your kid. It's just

1119
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: like you were saying with the dog, you want to.

1120
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's get the present after school, right, you

1121
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: and I and I don't want to.

1122
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: It's not the same thing. I know, it's not the

1123
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: same thing.

1124
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 7: I know comparing my dog to a child is definitely

1125
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 7: not the same thing. But I just in Mike's you know,

1126
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 7: I don't have kids, so it's the only thing I.

1127
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: Have to go by.

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's really.

1129
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: Valid though, But you're right, sometimes you want to soothe.

1130
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: You know, we want to soothe self soothed.

1131
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: Right, Who doesn't do that? Right?

1132
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: So sometimes we want to self soothed, and sometimes you

1133
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: want to soothe your your loved one.

1134
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: And even if you know.

1135
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 7: It's like giving your kids the social media, that's exactly right,

1136
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 7: even though you know it might not make the best

1137
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 7: thing for them, but it's going to make them happy

1138
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 7: and it's going, you know what I mean, it's going

1139
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 7: to make their life at school a lot easier.

1140
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, it is hard though, Yeah, the social media

1141
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: it's a totally verial point. And then on the flip

1142
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: of that though, if you say just keeping on the

1143
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: social media line, if it's like, okay, so now you're

1144
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: here's a thirteen year old who's had social media for

1145
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: several years now, and everybody in their school has social media,

1146
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: and you pull it out of their hands all together?

1147
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: Is that professional?

1148
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 6: You know?

1149
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: Social social death in a lot of ways too with

1150
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: that age. It's hard. That snapchat stresses me out too,

1151
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: because you know snapchat.

1152
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: That all disappears, right yep.

1153
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little more information on the case. Just as

1154
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 6: we're closing out the prosecution's case.

1155
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 4: So there was.

1156
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 6: A digital forensic expert who testified that the defendant, the dad,

1157
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 6: searched online for help for his son, including where to

1158
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: take my troubled team near Athens, Georgia, and where do

1159
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 6: I take my son for anxiety? Near wind Or, Georgia.

1160
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 6: From there, there was no evidence he sought care.

1161
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: But those are searches.

1162
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 7: So that's what this okay, So that is what the

1163
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 7: state is showing to the jury to let them know. Hey, listen,

1164
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 7: he knew for a fact there were issues with the son.

1165
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 7: He even googled. And then does it say when he

1166
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 7: did these searches? No, okay, it doesn't.

1167
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 6: But we also know from previous testimony from the alleged

1168
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 6: shooter's father and the defendant's ex wife that she as

1169
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 6: well had said he should have counseling. And also keep

1170
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 6: in mind that police had visited the son and the

1171
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 6: father because of just threats he'd made. Outline, he had

1172
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 6: literally made threats.

1173
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: So can you imagine if the police come to your

1174
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: house and you're it's with your child, and how scary

1175
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: that must be, and they're saying please like keep an

1176
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 2: eye out, and then you continue to go out and

1177
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: put a rifle in that child's hands.

1178
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 7: And police came to my house when I was a

1179
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 7: kid for some moment, my mom would have beat me

1180
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 7: with a kitchen chair.

1181
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean like that.

1182
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree.

1183
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh we're not allowed to do that anymore.

1184
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 7: No, I know, like I think about it, but think

1185
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 7: about it though, like that is how horrifying that would be?

1186
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you think, if that's not going to scare

1187
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: you straight, if that's not a huge wake up call

1188
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: that you know there's something really going on, which clearly

1189
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: he knew.

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01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 9: But see again that that to me says if you

1191
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 9: see these huge red flags and now you're still giving

1192
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 9: him a gun, yeah, it's you know, quote unquote like

1193
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 9: going to soothe him.

1194
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 10: I just don't. I can't. It doesn't make sense, like

1195
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 10: it doesn't. I don't know.

1196
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: And I don't think that either, by the way, I

1197
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: think the soothing your kid with an AR fifteen that

1198
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: was an analogy.

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 10: I don't sure.

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, or something to you know, if that's

1201
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 9: the one thing that makes him happy, that, I mean, yeah,

1202
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 9: to bad, I'm going to have to figure out something

1203
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 9: else that's going to make you happy.

1204
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 3: How about roadblocks?

1205
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: There's like nowhere to turn, you know, And it's like

1206
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 2: all of these things do really need to go away.

1207
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: It's a start over.

1208
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: I feel like we need there's so much truth coming

1209
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: out and so much. You know, reality hitting us right

1210
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: now about some of the things that we thought we're

1211
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: going to be so.

1212
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 3: Connecting. Boy, has that not been the case?

1213
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 10: No, I don't know, it does not.

1214
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 6: Just to wrap this out, on the morning of the shooter,

1215
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 6: at the morning of the shooting, the alleged shooter texted

1216
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 6: his father saying I'm sorry, it's not your fault. At

1217
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 6: nine pointy two, nineteen minutes later, the shots happened.

1218
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 15: Wow.

1219
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's yeah.

1220
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 7: We'll see what happens when he gets on the stand

1221
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 7: and testifies on his own path.

1222
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 13: Wow.

1223
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Speaker 7: Coming up next, we're going to dive into some more talkbacks.

1224
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Speaker 7: Your Epstein theories are getting bolder. Stephanie loves it. Keep

1225
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 7: it right here True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph and I'm here

1228
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and of course we have the

1229
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: gentlemen in the controller room as well, producer Taha and

1230
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: Sam and Adam.

1231
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk back.

1232
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 20: Oh my name is Amanda from Missouri. I am just

1233
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 20: calling in. Regardless I have seen files, I have pretty

1234
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 20: much only been seeing people talking about it and being like,

1235
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 20: oh that was crazy.

1236
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 4: Where is the.

1237
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 20: Actual accountability happening? I haven't seen anything that shows any

1238
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 20: like due process starting or anything like that, so I

1239
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 20: didn't know if you guys had heard about any of

1240
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 20: the accountability of it.

1241
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, great question. I mean, we're seeing it

1242
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: throughout the world, we're just not seeing it as much

1243
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: on us soil, if you will, right, Andrew being the

1244
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: most notable, well.

1245
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 7: Not, I mean, I think the former Prime Minister of

1246
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 7: Norway is pretty significant.

1247
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I think it's even bigger than principle.

1248
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: It's even larger, for sure. I agree with you completely.

1249
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 3: That's huge to me.

1250
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: But having Andrew and having access for some reason, my

1251
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: Mike is doing something very strange.

1252
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: No, you're good.

1253
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: But you're crackling up to me a little bit, so

1254
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: bear with me for one second.

1255
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sorry, my mercury is in retrograde.

1256
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 6: Well, another Norway seems to be taking this because also

1257
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 6: a guy named thorborn Jagland. That's he, well he was.

1258
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 6: He was a politician in the Labor Party. He was

1259
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 6: a Secretary General of the count. Maybe it's Europe, that's no, it's.

1260
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 4: A different one. Peter Mendelssohn.

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 6: Yes, you're talking about so this was a guy and

1262
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 6: yeah another guy.

1263
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: And welcome back.

1264
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: I'm back. Yeah, sorry about that. So yeah, also.

1265
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: Hyatt and for the Hyatt Hotel.

1266
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 10: Uh we'.

1267
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: It's breaking again.

1268
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1269
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can hear you find honey.

1270
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, but it's clear on our end.

1271
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 7: Leon Black he was now listen, these are these are

1272
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 7: mainly what's happening here in the United States. Are people

1273
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 7: losing their jobs right, not necessarily facing law enforcement. But

1274
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 7: Leon Black he resigned from the Apollo Global Management and

1275
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 7: paid Epstein. You know, he's the guy that paid Epstein

1276
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 7: one hundred and seventy million dollars for all his advisory work.

1277
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: Who else case seventy million dollars.

1278
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: That's the person that put him into business.

1279
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 2: I think as well, like between Les Wexner and having

1280
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: Leon Black look post numbers. One hundred and seventy million dollars,

1281
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: I think about these numbers are so big that it's

1282
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: hard for any of us to even wrap our brains

1283
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: around that either.

1284
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: How about Deepak Chopra.

1285
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 10: Oh right right, oh, shoot out to me.

1286
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 9: I remember with Harvard Larry Summers that one everyone was

1287
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 9: following that one. When that happened, he lost his position.

1288
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 7: The guy, the Sultan, Sultan Ahmed business a major one,

1289
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 7: He's a major. He had to resign from the head

1290
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 7: of DP World and that was the logistics company with

1291
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 7: all the shipping containers.

1292
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: And that a major piece of it.

1293
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: But again, these aren't resignations and cares, right, Yeah.

1294
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: We're talking thousands of victims. We're talking money laundering.

1295
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: I will say this, and I think this actually just

1296
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: reconfirms it, and I won't go into super detail here.

1297
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: I promise to keep it brief.

1298
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: I think, well, we're being asked essentially to kind of

1299
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: look to the left or to the to ones. I'm

1300
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: not going to even use the words left and right

1301
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: instead of being a new right in the middle or

1302
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: different political island. And I won't use the word island either.

1303
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: So I'm by myself alone in my own little bubble.

1304
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: But you know, we're being asked to look at such

1305
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: disturbing things into process, such disturbing information that's either triggering

1306
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: you because you know yourself personally, or know somebody that

1307
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: you love that's personally been affected by some level of

1308
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: sexual abuse, or it's totally new to you, and that's

1309
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: also overwhelming beyond. I think that's a little by design.

1310
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 2: I think we have to look the other way and

1311
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: look away from that scariness.

1312
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: I promise I.

1313
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: Will, and I'll download everybody when we have a real

1314
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: thesis to it and things are really fact checked.

1315
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: But we got to follow the money. We have to

1316
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 3: follow the money.

1317
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: Everybody on this list right now has gotten resigned, They've

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Speaker 2: lost their jobs. Who cares they have so much money

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Speaker 2: to begin with. It's the tech giants who are not

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Speaker 2: keeping our privacy safe. It's the tech giants that are

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Speaker 2: making all of this money in the world real time

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Speaker 2: as everyone's talking about, you know, even Hillary Clinton on

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Speaker 2: in front of Congress. As of course I was too.

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Speaker 2: You know, safety features and things that are getting pushed

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Speaker 2: through other government sources are happening real time, and we

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Speaker 2: have to follow the money.

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Speaker 3: People are moving crypto. It's like there's a whole story

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Speaker 3: happening here.

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Speaker 2: Those guys are going to win in the big elite

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Speaker 2: Epstein class this stuff.

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Speaker 3: There is no real list per se.

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Speaker 2: It's the list of elites that are not getting prosecuted.

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Speaker 3: To our callers point, just stayly.

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Speaker 2: For example, all of the bank guys JP Morgan Chase.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, JP Morgan Chase, I didn't know that?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Is am I? Yeah? Yeah, sorry, everybody just went

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Speaker 4: quiet all of a sudden.

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Speaker 7: No, no, I.

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Speaker 9: Would still like through processing everything. She was just saying

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Speaker 9: because it's so so much. But right, and I think

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Speaker 9: there was we mentioned earlier the Prime Minister of Norway.

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Speaker 10: What was it. I think there was a little correction.

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Speaker 6: You wanted to Yeah, Thorborne and jaglind I had said

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Speaker 6: he wasn't but he not only was.

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Speaker 7: He the Prime Minister of Norway for like a year,

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Speaker 7: he was also like in charge of like the European

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Speaker 7: Council for a decade. I mean, this guy is huge,

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Speaker 7: in my opinion, huge. However, it should be noted and

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Speaker 7: I think it's it is worth noting that he's being

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Speaker 7: charged with corruption due to like some loan stuff, so

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Speaker 7: not necessarily you know, the sex trafficking and all that.

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Speaker 4: And that's the other thing.

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Speaker 7: It's not just this circle of trafficking and horrific crimes

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Speaker 7: against women and children. It's also corruption in with money

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Speaker 7: and you know, funding of really bad things, right because

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Speaker 7: a lot of this corruption funds other like terrible needs, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, well absolutely and sharing country secrets right right, that's

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Speaker 6: a way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I heard you a little bit just there.

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Speaker 2: Also arms, there's hundred percent. You know, war is very

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Speaker 2: big business. Again, I'm learning about this right now. But

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Speaker 2: war is so that is what it's It's kind of

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Speaker 2: the name of the business game.

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Speaker 3: We're not the ones benefiting from it. Of course.

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Speaker 2: Nobody that's serving and getting deployed is benefiting from it.

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Speaker 2: We just heard from our sweet Emily on our birthday.

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Speaker 3: Who served? You know that is you know not?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely yeah, you talk about Yeah,

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Speaker 9: let's go to one more.

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Speaker 21: Hi, true crime friends. I wasn't sure if you've seen

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Speaker 21: on the news lately, because our news is a little

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Speaker 21: different here. There was a video going around in Quebec

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Speaker 21: that Julane Maxwell and her brother were in Quebec and

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Speaker 21: somehow had been swapped out of prison allegedly, allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 21: Now this has been proven to be an AI video,

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Speaker 21: but if you do watch the video, it's wild. It

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Speaker 21: looks just like them.

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Speaker 4: I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've

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Speaker 4: seen it.

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Speaker 7: It's very very good. I actually didn't even know it

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Speaker 7: was AI. I thought it was just a woman on

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Speaker 7: the street of Quebec that resembled Glane, right.

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Speaker 4: It's she's coming out.

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Speaker 7: She's like, she's on the street in Quebec and somebody says, hey, Glene,

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Speaker 7: and she kind of looks and she speaks, and she

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Speaker 7: has an obvious French accent, right, like it's pretty obvious,

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Speaker 7: and she says no, no, or something like that, and

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Speaker 7: then she moves along and she's got like like a

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Speaker 7: a scarf around her her her head and gray hair

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 7: is kind of peaking up, and it does look like

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Speaker 7: Glaine Maxwell. I mean, it really does. But apparently it

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Speaker 7: was AI.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was AI. I just thought

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Speaker 4: it was some random woman.

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Speaker 3: Was it really?

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Speaker 6: And this the account of this, So this did spread

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 6: pretty widely, and we didn't know it was AI because

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 6: the account didn't disclose the AI alteration. But the video

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 6: did include just a subtle wink and a nod for

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 6: the offshore crypto gambling platform Rain and bet.

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 4: Oh did it really? I just saw a snippet of it.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 7: I didn't see it in full context, but yeah, it

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 7: was very very well done.

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 17: One thing I've noticed just going through Twitter and seeing

1406
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Speaker 17: all this Epstein stuff is when you see a video

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 17: like that and it's like you're looking at it and

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 17: it's like this is Glenn Maxwell, Like what's going on?

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 17: There's there's been so many things like that where it

1410
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 17: seems so salacious, like a smoking gun type thing like that,

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 17: And anytime you see something like that, you have to

1412
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 17: like stop and be like, Okay, what am I looking

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 17: at right now?

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Speaker 4: Because there's a lot of that right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw one of a man.

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 7: Kind of like in I want to say, like an

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,879
Speaker 7: Indiana Jones outfit, kind of like you know the Khaki

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 7: the Khaki situation. And he had like long longish gray hair,

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 7: not really long, but longer in a beard and it

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 7: looked literally just like Jeffrey Epstein. And it was in

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Speaker 7: Tel Aviv.

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 17: Yes, yeah, that was out because there was usually you

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 17: see a community know too, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's weird. It was really good.

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Speaker 7: I was like, and to put them in Tel Aviv

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01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 7: that was so smart because of all the connections to

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 7: Israel and Masad and you know, it just fuels the conspiracy, right,

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 7: I mean it's very well done. It gets people talking,

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01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 7: that's for sure. You know, that's what people want when

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 7: they create these things. And that's what people have to understand.

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 7: Engagement is money. Engagement is power, every view, every clique.

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 7: Sometimes people post things just to make you angry, so

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 7: you react and you're feeding it. It's called rage bait, right,

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01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 7: So sometimes people will say the most outlandish things and

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 7: not necessarily believing them, but they want you to engage

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 7: because engagement is money. Engagement is influence. They want you

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 7: to engage with them. They don't care if you're calling

1438
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,839
Speaker 7: them stupid in the comments.

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01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 4: They don't. They encourage it, you.

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01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 10: Know what I mean.

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 7: So when you're when you're seeing these things like Adam said,

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 7: and it's like such a like, oh my god, is

1443
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 7: that is that Jeffrey Epstein in Israel yesterday? They want

1444
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 7: you to, you know, to engage with it. They because

1445
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 7: it gives them money. Anyway, everything they hunk of salts.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 17: I even saw today with the Hillary Clinton testifying, people

1447
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 17: responding and being like, oh, really, she never met Epstein

1448
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 17: And that's just an AI photo of her with like

1449
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 17: P Diddy and Stephen Hawkings and Epstein on the island and.

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 4: You know, do and blow with stripper.

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 17: Yeah it's just so brazen, but yeah, good lord.

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: Uh do we have another talk back?

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 8: Hey, y'all if you're interested in looking into it. There

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01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 8: is a CA in Clay County, Mississippi. Last month, a

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 8: twenty four year old man I believe the same as

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 8: Dereka Moore was arrested for multiple charges. But he did

1457
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 8: a mass shooting of six people, and one of them

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01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 8: was unfortunately a poor little seven year old girl. And

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 8: there's also another charge for the attempted murder of another child.

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Yeah, so this one's really really sad.

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01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 7: It happened in Mississippi, and as the talkback said, yeah,

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 7: six people dead, a seven year old girl. Investigators say

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01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 7: that it all began at a family house and continued

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 7: at two additional houses before Dereka Moore, the shooter, the

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01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 7: alleged shooter. Accused shooter was arrested later that night, and

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 7: he's facing many charges including capital murder, attempted murder, attempted

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 7: sexual battery, burglary, and the car theft prosecutors. Prosecutors have

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Speaker 7: confirmed that they intend to seek the death penalty too.

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01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 7: The accused has pled guilty or not guilty, sorry, not guilty,

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 7: and has been ordered to undergo a mental evaluation.

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Speaker 4: They say The first three.

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Speaker 7: Victims were the father, the brother, and the uncle of

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01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 7: Dereka Moore. They were shot and killed at a house

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 7: in Cedar Bluff. And then he drove to a second house,

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 7: broke broke in and attempted a sexual assault and fatally

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01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 7: shot that seven year old girl.

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Speaker 4: Ah yeah, he.

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01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 3: Was like on a rampage.

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 6: No, and I'm seeing And then a church pastor and

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01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 6: the pastor's brother were the final two victims.

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 4: He like went on a rampage.

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 6: Good, yeah, but were right, so sorry, go ahead to.

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Speaker 9: Nah no, No, I was just gonna say I wasn't

1484
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 9: familiar with this case and how I mean this is?

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 9: This is devastating. This one is kind of heavy, but

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01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 9: we always appreciate all of our talkbacks and anyone that

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 9: shed some light on some new stories for us to cover.

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 10: But sure, maybe we can. Maybe we can end things

1489
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 10: on a lighter note and see.

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 9: If we have another still please it's just something fun, okay, high.

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Speaker 4: True crime gig here.

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Speaker 6: I have to tell you when I saw the bag

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Speaker 6: stuff in my mailbox, I was so excited.

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Speaker 4: To see KT Studios. The hoodie is amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's soft, It's like a big hug from y'all.

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Speaker 4: I really really appreciate it.

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Speaker 15: It means a lot.

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Speaker 4: You guys are the best.

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Speaker 10: Yay, that's nice.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like I can wear it in the spring.

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Speaker 7: I could wear it in the winter. I probably won't

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Speaker 7: be able to wear it in the summer here because

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Speaker 7: it's like one hundred and eighty five degrees. I don't

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Speaker 7: think you should anyone should wear clothes in the summer.

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Speaker 7: It is so I love listen. I might be a

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Speaker 7: little biased, and I'm okay admitting that, but it's my

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Speaker 7: favoritey I wore it three days in a row.

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Speaker 4: I have to wash it now.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm having hoodie envy because I'm one of the

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Speaker 9: few people that haven't gotten it yet.

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Speaker 6: Now, my understanding is that Gabe is not a big

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01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 6: fan of TAHA, so.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he's leaving me off the list. No, he's gonna

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Speaker 10: send me a rock like Charlie Brown.

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Speaker 4: No, man, Well stick around.

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Speaker 7: We have more talkbacks to get to, and I hear

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Speaker 7: a few are really good.

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Speaker 14: Taha is teasing me. Keep it right here at your

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Speaker 14: Crime Tonight. Welcome back to Drew Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 14: talking true crime.

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Speaker 2: All the time. Adam has saved the day and audio

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Speaker 2: is back. This mercury in retrograde will not get the

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Speaker 2: best of us, apparently, when mercury is in retrograde in

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Speaker 2: the stars.

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Speaker 3: I'm learning this from. We have an astrologer on actually on.

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Speaker 2: Sunday who's going to be looking at Prince Andrew and

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Speaker 2: fergus Sarah Ferguson's charts and sort of look into some

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Speaker 2: of the crime stuff through the stars lens.

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01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 7: Oh, okay, anyway, mercury and retrograde here we are. So

1534
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 7: that's what we're My friend and I call it mercury

1535
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 7: in the microwave. I don't know why we call it that.

1536
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: Everything breaks.

1537
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 7: Every time something goes wrong, one of us will say,

1538
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 7: is mercury in the microwave?

1539
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 15: Right now?

1540
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 4: What's going on? Well, I can testify that.

1541
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 6: Stephanie Leidecker mercury and retrograde. Okay, there's a world population

1542
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 6: of whatever it is. Proportionately, Stephanie gets maybe seventy nine

1543
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 6: times the impact on every Daystone quick then or paper

1544
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 6: that she touches.

1545
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 4: Really poor stuff.

1546
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: I don't know honestly, Like sometimes I will walk by

1547
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: my computer or the things and things will literally just

1548
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: snazz stuff.

1549
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 3: They'll make it moving.

1550
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 4: You're moving too much. We told you to.

1551
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: Say sorry and to breathe if you're moving too much.

1552
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 10: I don't want you.

1553
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: To call back and give me some of my breathing exercises.

1554
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 10: What's happening?

1555
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 6: Well, the secret is you breathe in, but then you

1556
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 6: breathe out for a longer amount of time. That chills

1557
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 6: down your what is the shock parasympathetic? No, no, no,

1558
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 6: your nervous system.

1559
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 10: So you just breathe vibes.

1560
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 4: Let's bring it back up. Do we want to bring

1561
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 4: it back up with talkbacks.

1562
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 10: Or what we want?

1563
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 9: And I'd love to Well, before we do a talkback,

1564
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 9: can we tell everyone some good news that's going to

1565
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 9: be happening.

1566
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, we forgot the news because.

1567
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 9: We all know, all right, I feel like I got

1568
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 9: to say it since I started. Starting on Sunday, March eighth,

1569
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 9: we are going to be on a new affiliate KFI,

1570
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 9: and that's in our Los Angeles area, So we're going

1571
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 9: to be live in Los Angeles from seven to nine

1572
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 9: pm every Sunday.

1573
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 10: So welcome to the family. And for those who.

1574
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 7: Don't know, that's a pretty big deal, right it's the

1575
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 7: major like station right in its usual in LA is.

1576
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: A crazy, you know, important market, one of the largest markets.

1577
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: I think it's the number one on iHeart in fact stations.

1578
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 7: Really really six am it's and it's a top radio station, right, correct,

1579
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 7: you are correct?

1580
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, my dad is Adam. Actually this is this is.

1581
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 17: Where Sam and I are every night in person. Is

1582
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 17: the KFI studios in Burbank. Oh okay, so no one

1583
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 17: follows us here now, but.

1584
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 7: I know who thinks you're just adorable.

1585
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 4: It's going to talk about.

1586
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 10: Oh that's funny. How have they seen the photos?

1587
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 5: Oh?

1588
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 7: I think one of the pictures we took or something

1589
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 7: like the show or whatever. Yeah, that I sent her.

1590
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 9: We did post something, speaking of photos, by the way,

1591
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 9: on our social media feed, we've been putting photos of

1592
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 9: people who have received the sweatshirt, real people, yes, and

1593
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 9: on our Instagram.

1594
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 10: It's on our Instagram. Okay, so if you on our.

1595
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 4: Instagram, Crime Tonight, True Crime Tonight Show.

1596
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 7: Oh okay, True Crime Tonight's Show on TikTok and Instagram.

1597
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 10: That's it.

1598
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 9: And if you look at that, you'll see a couple

1599
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 9: of people wearing the sweatshirts. But the one that I'm

1600
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 9: more excited about these mugs, and that's the mugs.

1601
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: Are so good. First of all, where's my sweatshirt? I

1602
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: haven't gotten a sweatshirt?

1603
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 10: Do you get no?

1604
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 6: I think he's saying the best for last for you guys.

1605
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 6: That's my theory.

1606
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 10: Into the sweatshirts.

1607
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm teasing in the mail.

1608
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: But the mug though, I just got the mug and

1609
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: it's awesome. I'm going to use it every single morning.

1610
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 4: I love I love them. I mean, who doesn't love

1611
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 4: a mug?

1612
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 6: Well, I actually just hijacked it from my house, So

1613
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 6: you want to know how wild my house gets at night?

1614
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,839
Speaker 6: My husband literally has warm milk at night. And Jesus,

1615
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 6: yeah please, I know, don't don't be the ladies step back.

1616
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 6: He's all mine. But anyway, that happens. And he has

1617
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 6: been using this mug, but I recently hijacked it to

1618
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 6: have it next to me and it holds like lip.

1619
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 4: Glass and little you know, halls and I love it.

1620
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 10: Boom, yeah a little bit.

1621
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 3: Can you at least in Wade's defense. Can you remind him?

1622
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 2: How reminder our listeners how he karate chopped the intruder

1623
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: out of the.

1624
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 3: House would have started?

1625
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 4: He drinks warm milk and is an assassins? Does it help? Okay?

1626
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 7: So I thought that was like a wives tale, So

1627
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 7: drinking warm milk at night really does help you sleep?

1628
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I thought it was like, I.

1629
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 6: Mean, bind down thing and you stop, you know what

1630
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 6: I mean? It's not the lights are low? But no,

1631
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 6: it's like wives tales exist exist for.

1632
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 3: True Yeah, that's true.

1633
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 7: They exist for a reason like cliches are cliches because

1634
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 7: all they're true.

1635
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, milk milk contains a little trip to pain,

1636
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 9: trip to pain and from.

1637
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 10: The turkeys like turkeys.

1638
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, tickets from the turkeys and the milk. But it's

1639
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 4: the same and it's the same chemical, right.

1640
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: I had a question too, if anybody has any great

1641
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 2: sleep habit tricks other than melatonin, which doesn't really work

1642
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: for me. I think I need like a more graded game.

1643
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 2: I've done the basics. I've really step it up.

1644
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: You need to.

1645
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 4: I don't. It's not legal in your state, unfortunately.

1646
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 2: But the gummies, oh the gummanies. They don't I have Celiac.

1647
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: I don't even like there. Nothing works on nothing. I

1648
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,959
Speaker 2: don't believe I have anything. I mean that's gluten free.

1649
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh and that puts you ready to sleep, and you

1650
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: just doze right off.

1651
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 4: It takes an hour to kick in.

1652
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 7: So I usually take mine around literally right when we

1653
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 7: get off the show, and by ten thirty I am

1654
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 7: not only am I out like light. I don't even

1655
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 7: Sometimes I wake up and I in the morning and

1656
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 7: I haven't even moved.

1657
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 4: I've slept so hard.

1658
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, way, I've everyone. They're a little too strong for me.

1659
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 9: Like I slept through my alarm clock. Like I was like,

1660
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 9: oh god, it's Tuesday.

1661
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 18: Not me.

1662
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 7: So I buy the little ones, the five milligrams. It's

1663
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 7: a tiny little bit, just to make me sleep. I

1664
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 7: don't take them to get like you know, ahi or anything, right,

1665
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 7: I take them to sleep. And so I do the

1666
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 7: little five miligram ones.

1667
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 10: Yeah that's good, Okay, I probably work with a charm.

1668
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 4: But they're not legal and.

1669
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 10: Where you live, Oh that's right, Sorry, that's drugs.

1670
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't believe nothing processes the same for

1671
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: me the way it does sometimes for other people.

1672
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 3: That's true.

1673
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 4: So I think that's true for a lot of people.

1674
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:19,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, well listen.

1675
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 4: Apecially like the Mercury and retrograde.

1676
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 10: She really Yeah.

1677
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: I have been with Cordy in some very clutzy, breakable moments,

1678
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 2: and I have broken more equipment in the lamps.

1679
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 7: When I was like, I lived in Orange County, California, Okay,

1680
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 7: and we would listen to k Rock and kN A

1681
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 7: C at the time and what Kiss FM, all those

1682
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 7: all these days. She's great LA stations, right, And I

1683
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 7: remember when I was in high school, I wanted to

1684
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 7: be a DJ, you know, in l A.

1685
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a DJ.

1686
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 7: So the fact that we're going to be on a

1687
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 7: Los Angeles major radio station, it's kind of you know.

1688
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Major little. My dad used to always make you rest

1689
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: in peace. He always listened to talk radio. He really did,

1690
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: day and day out. He drove into New York City

1691
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 2: like an hour and a half each way, so whenever

1692
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: you got into his car, he always had talk.

1693
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 4: The podcast of the day. Right, that's true.

1694
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:32,440
Speaker 10: That's so true.

1695
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just he's giggling with your mom lives.

1696
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 7: So he's going to be and he listens every night

1697
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 7: but you know he's old, you know, so staying up

1698
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 7: so late is hard for him. You know, so he's

1699
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 7: going to be particularly happy that he.

1700
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 10: Doesn't have to stay up.

1701
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going to be really happy.

1702
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 10: This is really cool.

1703
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 4: Thank you k.

1704
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 3: A little bit dream car.

1705
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you iHeart for letting us have all

1706
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 2: that swag that we can share.

1707
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 3: The jowey oh yeah, the cups, the mugs.

1708
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 7: Now expect some mugs because I might we might be

1709
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 7: running a little low on we were.

1710
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,480
Speaker 2: Where I think we might be already out of sweatshirts.

1711
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think we have T shirts.

1712
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 4: We gave them out.

1713
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 3: Also, we're pretty willy nilly.

1714
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 4: With it, were we right?

1715
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1716
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 10: If you breathe air, yeah, if.

1717
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 15: You're nice to me.

1718
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 3: It was so nice.

1719
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: It was like we felt drunk with power and we

1720
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: were a little trus It's alt so good start.

1721
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna so, don't you worry.

1722
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: There's two crimes sweat shirts that are you know, still

1723
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: coming true crime.

1724
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 7: Tonight's safety whistles because guess what if you're a woman

1725
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,480
Speaker 7: and you're walking car, that's good.

1726
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Let's do that.

1727
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,879
Speaker 10: Let's do and we can do it in our colors.

1728
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 10: The Pink and.

1729
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: The Block.

1730
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get all right, I'll get I'll get all.

1731
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: Gab and Gab and Whitney have been working on some

1732
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: social media stuff. So yeah, hard at work with their

1733
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: big those crazy kids with their big social media.

1734
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: I'm so interested to see what there.

1735
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad that because our social media needed smelp.

1736
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 10: Yeah pretty, we.

1737
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: Need an inn or something.

1738
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 4: We need to listen the whole everything.

1739
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 3: The truth has come out.

1740
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 4: Profile have a picture.

1741
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, we're stepping it up and too so, but

1742
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 9: we'll talk about that.

1743
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 10: I want to shame ourselves.

1744
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 3: I didn't want my picture.

1745
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 10: How about we go to one boy talk back before

1746
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 10: we wake things up?

1747
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 4: All right, Hello, my beautiful people.

1748
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 22: I have watched the Ted Bundy Special Love Ted Bundy.

1749
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:54,520
Speaker 4: It's fabulous.

1750
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 22: I'm not going to go and do it because you're

1751
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 22: not ready to discuss it yet.

1752
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 4: But I found another.

1753
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 22: One that we should watch, and it's called Miranda's Victim

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01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 22: on Hulu and it's wonderful. Hope you all enjoy.

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, well look we'll save that for next So

1756
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 9: I just want to I'm glad you mentioned that because

1757
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 9: I've been wanting to clarify some things we were going

1758
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 9: to unpack the Ted Bundy documentary and for those who

1759
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 9: don't know that was it's called Love Ted Bundy. It

1760
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 9: premiered on Oxygen about a week or so ago. We're

1761
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 9: going to unpack it all together on Monday, Mark. So

1762
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 9: we've got a couple of talk bexts. People have already

1763
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 9: watched it and talked about it and went away in

1764
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 9: so can everyone watch it over.

1765
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 10: The weekend so when we talk about it on Monday

1766
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 10: will be a see.

1767
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 7: Of course, Miranda's victim, Oh my god, yes, of course.

1768
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 7: Do you remember me telling you the story about the

1769
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,759
Speaker 7: Fifth Amendment? Yes, and how the guy who the Miranda

1770
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 7: Rights is building on, yeah, was killed and then the

1771
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 7: guy who did the killing of Miranda.

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01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 4: Okay.

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01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 7: First of all, Miranda Miranda raped a woman, okay, and

1774
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 7: his conviction got overturned because they didn't read him as rights. Okay,

1775
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 7: So that went to the Supreme Court and they created

1776
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 7: the Miranda Rights.

1777
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 3: Right.

1778
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 7: Then the guy Eric Miranda or whatever his name is,

1779
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 7: he was killed and his killer got off because they

1780
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 7: didn't read Miranda's victim. I definitely want to watch this document.

1781
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 7: This is the Yeah, I'm going to watch this. I

1782
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 7: didn't hear about that at all.

1783
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,839
Speaker 2: He's a little curious about watching the Erica Kirk Candice

1784
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Owen nothing will you ever watch that?

1785
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 10: No? Me, I have zero interestary.

1786
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: I guess it's a documentary. I don't know much about it.

1787
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: I just saw it on social media and it was

1788
01:31:55,160 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: a documentary. It's called Mary or Charlie's Bride, and it

1789
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 2: is obviously it's from Candace Owen's perspective about how you know,

1790
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: her many opinions about what happened to Charlie and but

1791
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 2: more specifically, she feels that she's uncovered many many mistruths

1792
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: that Eric has apparently said.

1793
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 7: According to what is she saying that he's not dead?

1794
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 7: I mean, what is she her point? Yeah, No, her

1795
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 7: point was that he no, she does not say this

1796
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 7: what's being said. Candace's point is that she was in

1797
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 7: on it. Oh, Eric Kirk was in it.

1798
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 3: Her alibi the day before didn't really match up.

1799
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: By the way, I was not aware of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: and I wasn't aware of Candace Owens. So I'm not

1801
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 2: pushing this like a super fan in any way, like

1802
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm not team anyone, but I do find it curious

1803
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 2: and I don't know who's really being honest, because why

1804
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: would Erica Kirk possible lie about big things like when

1805
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 2: you were born or what your birth date was, or

1806
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: when you guys got married. There were some like weird

1807
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: consistencies apparently, and apparently an inconsistency about where her albi was.

1808
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 3: Apparently.

1809
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: There's a When you listen to Candice Owens, which I don't,

1810
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 2: but I very rarely do. I'm always a little bit

1811
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 2: impressed with how well she talks.

1812
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 7: She's a really good particulate, she's very.

1813
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I agree, we know the the two positives and then

1814
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: we can go to the actual negative, which is you know,

1815
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 2: she has said some really really offensive things and have

1816
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 2: also hurt people hurtful, hurtful.

1817
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's hard for me to get over that. Honestly,

1818
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 7: it's hard for me to even take her seriously. I

1819
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 7: was on YouTube and she had a one of her

1820
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 7: thumbnails said don't f with cats. I was like, what

1821
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 7: is she doing?

1822
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I.

1823
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 4: Remember you were in She was that a compliment?

1824
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 7: It was she was basically thinking she saw the murder

1825
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 7: is what I got from it, because of course I

1826
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,560
Speaker 7: inquired about it.

1827
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you doing?

1828
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 10: Like what do you like, Candace, what's happening?

1829
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 4: I didn't do anything.

1830
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 3: I didn't know you.

1831
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, anyway, leave me alone, cancel, leave me.

1832
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Alone, Candae Owens, Well, this night again flew right by.

1833
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to unpack all the things that we

1834
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: learn about Bill tomorrow. I guess on Sunday, right, and

1835
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: don't forget. Yeah, so we'll have to talk about it

1836
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I'm sure we're I'm sure there will be

1837
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 2: some new developments by then, and then also a little

1838
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 2: bit in the stars. We're gonna see how crime and

1839
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 2: astrology go hand in hand.

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Speaker 3: Stay safe out there,