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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you.

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Speaker 2: Michael Laflem with us. A researcher, adjunct professor of history

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Speaker 2: and philosophy, columnist for The New Dawn magazine, a scuba

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Speaker 2: diver and guitarist as well, and the author of the

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Speaker 2: recently published Visions of Atlantis Reclaiming Our Lost Ancient Legacy Now.

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Speaker 2: He grew up in South Florida attended the Harriet L.

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Speaker 2: Wilkes Honors College in Florida State University, where he studied

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Speaker 2: Western intellectual history, US foreign policy. Michael is also a

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Speaker 2: book reviewer for Publishers Weekly and was a one time

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Speaker 2: research assistant for investigative journalist Whitney Webb while she was

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Speaker 2: writing her best selling two part series One Nation Under Blackmail. Michael,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey, George donnice to be on.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you. How did you get interested

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Speaker 2: in Atlantis? Michael?

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's just because, like a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who grew up in South Florida, you know, you

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Speaker 3: grew up. I grew up on Atlantic Boulevard near the

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Speaker 3: Atlantic Ocean. My grandfather had always been interested in kind

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Speaker 3: of ancient mysteries, the Pyramids, and always kind of since

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Speaker 3: I was a kid, felt like there was a part

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Speaker 3: of the human story that was not complete. And later

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Speaker 3: when I became a professor, traditional mainstream college professor at

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Speaker 3: Young Professor in Chicago for about twelve years, and I

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Speaker 3: started to look more seriously into ancient history when I

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Speaker 3: would teach a survey course, say on Egypt or ancient Greece,

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Speaker 3: that there really was something to these seminole accounts that

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Speaker 3: for the most part, were transmitted from two of Plato's

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Speaker 3: iconic dialogues with Timaeus and Critias and a few others

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Speaker 3: anecdotally before that, and you know, it was just something

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Speaker 3: that I kind of put on the back burner until

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Speaker 3: one day I started to take this subject very seriously

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Speaker 3: and it kind of led me down a seven year

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Speaker 3: rabbit hole that was initially just a series of notes

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Speaker 3: and kind of ideas that I just jotted down, and

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Speaker 3: at the end of seven years, I realized, you know,

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Speaker 3: you actually have a book if you sit down and

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Speaker 3: organize this. And you know, through the urging of my

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Speaker 3: friends and colleagues, they said, you know, you should tell

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Speaker 3: this story, and so I did it. I published it

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Speaker 3: around Christmas last year. So here I am.

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Speaker 2: Good for you. Why can't we, with this incredible technology

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Speaker 2: we possess, find a sunken continent? Well, why can't you

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Speaker 2: think it would be easy?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's a very interesting question. And I

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Speaker 3: always point people to a map that I actually put

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Speaker 3: on on the top of my new website, which you

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Speaker 3: can check out at Michael Isslam dot com. And it's

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Speaker 3: a map of leads from the fifties after they finished

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Speaker 3: surveying the Atlantic Ocean. And to answer your question, just simply,

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Speaker 3: if you look in the Middle Atlantic, you see actually

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Speaker 3: the outline of an enormous continent that we call the

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Speaker 3: mid Atlantic Ridge, which is a giant sunken what we

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Speaker 3: call mountain range that has seamounts that pop out Bermuda,

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Speaker 3: the Azores. So my first response always is, you know,

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Speaker 3: let's just look at what we can look at, which

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Speaker 3: continental land mass there. Of course, the problem most people

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Speaker 3: have is imagining, well, what kind of catastrophe could have

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Speaker 3: befell the fall on the Earth to create that kind

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Speaker 3: of flooding and those kinds of Earth changes to you know,

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Speaker 3: completely submerge that part of the world. And I understand that,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's that's absolutely understandable. And at the same

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Speaker 3: time as I'm sure we'll get into a little bit more,

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Speaker 3: you know, this whole idea, the language of this question,

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Speaker 3: you know, the lost continent, the lost island. That research

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Speaker 3: three at least that I can see destructions of this

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Speaker 3: former continent that reduced it to the smaller island and

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Speaker 3: surrounding archipelago that Plato, for example, was probably talking about

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Speaker 2: Other than Plato, Edgar Casey, the American prophet, how many

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Speaker 3: You no, more than you would think. And I know

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Speaker 3: that's a very common critique, is that it all began

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Speaker 3: But I always point to the fact that Plato got

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Speaker 3: you're talking nine hundred years before Plato. The Egyptians were

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Speaker 3: talking about this time roughly ten thousand BC in our timeline,

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Speaker 3: just right around the same time Plato says the continent

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Speaker 3: and the Egyptians said there were ten basically god kings,

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Speaker 3: There were ten of them that was destroyed and that

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Speaker 3: And then only thousands of years after that did the

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Speaker 3: And they mentioned a place called Attala, and they say

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Speaker 3: So to me, these are very compelling pre plotonic sources

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Speaker 2: Let's look at the possibilities, Michael, of what could have

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Speaker 2: sunk the island. I mean, I'm pretty well convinced as

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Speaker 2: But uh yeah, let's let's talk about possibilities. Let me

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Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Yes, in fact, that's that's probably the most likely cause

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Speaker 3: of the final destruction around let's say ten thousand, five

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Speaker 3: And indeed, in Plato's account, the Egyptian priest talks about that.

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Speaker 3: but that mynth signifies an actual heavenly body falling to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, what about a massive earthquake, Well, you know, in case.

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Speaker 3: He said that the first destruction, which he places at

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Speaker 3: much more remote time, that fractured the continent into five islands,

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Speaker 3: my research, indeed I did find unexplained like a final

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Speaker 2: Do you think this may have come from within this

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question. Casey specifically says it was

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Speaker 3: directed by human beings who had actually met in a

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Speaker 3: And he said that at the same time, actually there

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand years. As incredible as that sounds, can.

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Speaker 2: You imagine the technology they may have possessed even then.

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Speaker 3: You know, That's why I was so focused on As

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Speaker 3: the book progresses, you know, I take readers through the

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Speaker 3: kind of historically important information from cultural history, oral traditions, Plato,

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Speaker 3: what the Romans thought about this. But then to really

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Speaker 3: to answer your question, it's absolutely astounding, not just the

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Speaker 2: Did they have flying machines then too? What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I do believe so, and I don't just think that's

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Speaker 3: limited to Atlantis. I think it was something that many

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Speaker 3: are obvious forgeries that people have understandably, and I addressed

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Speaker 3: that as well, forgeries of you know, Indian schematics that

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Speaker 3: somebody says, oh, I found the schematic for Avimana and

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Speaker 3: there are very real accounts from India that are not forgeries.

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Speaker 3: That absolutely describes lying machines and from my research into

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Speaker 3: say the channelings from a dwell around two planets, which

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Speaker 3: fun very compelling because that book was channeled in eighteen

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Speaker 3: And he's describing cigar shape basically modern you know, cigar

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Speaker 3: by this very arcane crystal entrainment technology. So I absolutely

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Speaker 3: think so, Yeah, I think it's absolutely possible.

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Speaker 2: Well with Michael Laflem's book is called Visions of Atlantis.

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Speaker 2: His website is his name linked up at coastacostam dot com. Michael,

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Speaker 2: why do we still have this love affair with Atlantis?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that is the question. Well, you know, I

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Speaker 3: for example, Edgar Casey said to a lot of his

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Speaker 3: devout Christians in his community was quite taboo. Reincarnation. Atlantis

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Speaker 3: asked him like, why did you why do you say

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Speaker 3: And this is something that not just Casey mentioned, it's

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Speaker 3: something that many channelers have mentioned that perhaps entire elements

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Speaker 3: you know, the more you love something, the more you

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Speaker 3: that mainstream science is so challenged, and not just mainstream science,

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Speaker 2: Sorry slow, Is it conceivable that some of the occupants

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's absolutely the case, and because of

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Speaker 3: Let me think, these silly people, they thought they were

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Speaker 3: But think about a modern person who perhaps would portray

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