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Speaker 5: With Tasha Robinson and Keith In.

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Speaker 4: Our last episode, we discussed Paul Verhoven's Starship Troopers, a

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Speaker 4: sci fi action satire about dumb humans going to war

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Speaker 4: with space bugs. Now we have the great Korean director

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Speaker 4: Bong June Hoe following up his Oscar winning Parasite with

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Speaker 4: a Hollywood production about dumb humans going to war with

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Speaker 4: space bugs and Mickey seventeen. Robert Pattinson stars as Mickey Barnes,

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Speaker 4: an affable dope on the run from loan sharks after

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Speaker 4: his macaron business went belly up. In a desperate attempt

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Speaker 4: to get off Earth, Mickey volunteers to be inexpendable on

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Speaker 4: an expedition to colonize an ice planet. Expendables are basically

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Speaker 4: disposable humans who submit to dangerous and experimental jobs that

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Speaker 4: often kill them. But in this future world, a new

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Speaker 4: body can be regenerated out of a copy machine with

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Speaker 4: its memories still intact. The title Mickey seventeen refers to

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Speaker 4: the seventeenth iteration of Mickey, who is presumed dead after

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Speaker 4: falling into a crevass and encountering native bug like creatures

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Speaker 4: referred to as creepers. Zaniness ensues when this Mickey coexists

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Speaker 4: with the eighteenth Mickey, leading these duplicates to become targets

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Speaker 4: for mandated elimination. Meanwhile, the expedition's leader, Kenneth Marshall played

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Speaker 4: by Mark Ruffalo. Once the Creeper is wiped out so

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Speaker 4: that he and his cult like followers can settle in

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Speaker 4: their new home. We'll talk about it after the break.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Mickey seventeen, I don't know what either one

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Speaker 5: Tasha, you know, I'm I'm still kind of processing myself.

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Speaker 8: I think that's about right. But I think I really

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Speaker 4: I think there's something somewhat less sinister about Kenneth Marshall

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I sort of rolled with it conceptually.

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Speaker 4: that in that moment where like, Wow, they finally found

437
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: the sucker who is crazy enough to do this?

438
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: Like why would he do this? This is nobody, why

439
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: would anyone do this?

440
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: So uh yeah, I mean it's an interesting starting point

441
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: for this film and feels very much in keeping with

442
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 4: Bong's work. Speaking of keeping with Bong's work, and this

443
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: is somebody somebody on Blue Sky saw the film and

444
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 4: said and said something to the fact of like they

445
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: didn't expect that the film, the Bong film would remind them.

446
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: The most of it was it was mother, And I

447
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 4: was like, what expand all that is it?

448
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: Can you think of it? Am I missing something? Is there?

449
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: Where's this? Where's the connection with mother in this?

450
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: I don't I don't get it, but I was intrigued

451
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 4: that that idea is out there to the point where

452
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: it's like, do I need to see that mother again?

453
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: And then it's then it's all going to come together

454
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: for me.

455
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 5: I could see equating Mickey with the son and mother

456
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 5: when it comes to like kind of haplessness and needing

457
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 5: protection and having a female figure in his life that's

458
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 5: pretty fiercely protective of him and will do just about anything,

459
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 5: and the degree to which you know, he does end

460
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: up having a more central place in society than you

461
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 5: would think otherwise. I can see that. But I think

462
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 5: saying that that's the film it connects most with is

463
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: that's just hard for me to buy when snow Piercer exists.

464
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I guess the parallel between Mickey and

465
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 5: Oakja itself as a you know, an artificially created being

466
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: that is considered a disposable and that's a lot more

467
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: like sweet and soulful than something inherently disposable by society

468
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 5: should be Like, yes, that's all there, but in terms

469
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 5: of you know, there is the one element of the

470
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 5: haves and have nots that is in common here, which

471
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 5: is the have nots are kind of hapless and helpless

472
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 5: and sometimes doofy and sometimes comedic but soulful. But then

473
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: the other half of the equation, which we've talked about

474
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 5: less is just the obliviousness of people in power and

475
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: in parasite that takes just sort of the place of

476
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: being like easily lied to, you know, kind of out

477
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: of touch and incompetent when it comes to vetting. The

478
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 5: people that enter their employee occasionally doing and saying things

479
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: that make it just very clear that they have no

480
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 5: idea what it's like to not live in luxury, and

481
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 5: they have no connection whatsoever to the world outside the

482
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: cloister they've created in movies like Oakcha and Snow Piercer

483
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: than this, It's a much more exaggerated, much more over

484
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 5: the top kind of thing. You know, the idea of

485
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 5: someone whose first response to a new alien race is well,

486
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 5: we can hack pieces off of it and turn it

487
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: into sauce. It's just I mean, it goes beyond satire

488
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 5: and into just like like outrageous goofiness. But it's also

489
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 5: just like a very contemptuous look at the rich. So

490
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 5: the broadness of the villainous, you know, people in power

491
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 5: in this story, the way they abuse their power, but

492
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: also the way they're easily led imbeciles, strikes me as

493
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 5: just a big bong June Hoe theme.

494
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point.

495
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: I really do like Naomi Aki's lustiness in this movie.

496
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

497
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: I always felt like that that it was somewhat under

498
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 4: explored just how thrilled she is with the idea of

499
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: there Big two Mickey's and at a certain point, but

500
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: I think the movie has too much on its plot

501
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: agenda to really explore that any further. But but I

502
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 4: think she's kind of a key part of the movie,

503
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: and I think she's able to have a lot of

504
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 4: fun with the role while giving us, giving us that

505
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: kind of emotional connection that that no one else is

506
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: giving him. This this that feeling that he's cared for

507
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: and watched over and protected, which as an expendable you know,

508
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: on the ship full of you know, maga types who.

509
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: Are literally wear red hats with.

510
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: Slow right in our and are on board with this

511
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: dumb leader, you know, he's not going to get any

512
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: kind of a positive attention from any of that. So

513
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: I think she's got kind of a critical piece of

514
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 4: the puzzle. And and like I said before, I do

515
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 4: think that Stephen When is terrific and has a lot

516
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: of fun in this movie as well. I just think

517
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: it's I just think it's kind of a fun goof overall,

518
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of curious again to see it a

519
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: second time, to see it if thematically it pops more

520
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: or coheres more, because there's just kind of a lot

521
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: to sort through and a lot to respond to on

522
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: one viewing, because it is, you know, dense and maybe messy.

523
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: Is it a mess I don't know. It feels that

524
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: way just because there's so much to process here.

525
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 5: It is messy, But I think in part that's just

526
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: because you know, Bungdrenhoe has a lot of different He

527
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 5: has a very anarchic sense of humor, like it's it

528
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: is not particularly like Terry Gilliam's sense of humor, but

529
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 5: it reminds me of Terry Gillium in the way his

530
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: films tend to kind of go in a lot of

531
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 5: different directions and be very dark and weird and very

532
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: comic and goofy at the same time, and you just

533
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 5: kind of have to to take the whole weird package.

534
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 5: The book is much more streamlined. A lot of these

535
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 5: characters are very different. The difference between Mickey seventeen and

536
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: Mickey eighteen is a lot less pronounced and thematic. The

537
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 5: character that Mark Ruffalo plays that's the trump stand in

538
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 5: is very very different, much simpler. I don't think the

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 5: Wafe character exists at all, and the story ends up

540
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: being a lot more about how Mickey kind of games

541
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: the system and about his relationship with the aliens in

542
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: a very different way. It's just looking at the book

543
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 5: versus what it became. There are chunks of it, they're

544
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: very close adaptations, and then there are chunks that you know,

545
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: just just as with a lot of Gallium's stories, you

546
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: can or Kyamyazaki's stories for that matter, you can look

547
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: at what he considered low bearing and capped versus the

548
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 5: place where he built things up because of his own

549
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: very specific obsessions, and it just it becomes very clear,

550
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: like exactly what he loved about this story and what

551
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: he considered disposable, you know, expendable if you will. So

552
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: I recommend the book. There's also a sequel to it

553
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: that the book ends very very differently from the movie

554
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: and leaves a lot more open for the future. So

555
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: there's there's a sequel book that carries it on in

556
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: kind of a new direction and again just kind of

557
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: expands the themes in very different ways from the way

558
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 5: the movie does.

559
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: But it's a fun book.

560
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: I sentuate it a lot. I mean, if you like

561
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: the fundamental concept here a lot fewer Mickey has died

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 5: in the making of the book. It's only Mickey seven

563
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: instead of Mickey seventeen, but the fundamental concept is the same.

564
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: You unfortunately spend more time while there are fewer Mickeys

565
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 5: to die. You get more of a sense of how

566
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: some of these deaths felt. And there's some grotesque stuff

567
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: in there, let me tell you.

568
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

569
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: I mean this kind of allows you to have those

570
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: like Groundhog Day type of montages whereas or he tries

571
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: to kill himself over and over get in different ways.

572
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: This Bicky seventeen kind of gives you that of just like, Okay,

573
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: here's here's the here's the dozen ways in which he

574
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: was experimented on in order to help, you know, the settle.

575
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: The colonists settle on the on this weird planet, and

576
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: all that happens very quickly, and it's kind of funny,

577
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: but as you say, maybe doesn't have the weight of

578
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: each individual having to suffer before they passed.

579
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: Though.

580
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: That was another element of the film that I really

581
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: found moving was when you do get this that moment

582
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: where Bicky talks about dying and how how he's scared

583
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: every time and everything, you know, there's nothing that he

584
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: becomes used to doing that it's hard every time, that

585
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: it's scary every time, and then when it hits you

586
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: how often this has happened to him, And what a

587
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: terrible fate that is to feel.

588
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 5: That way and to carry the memories around with him.

589
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 5: You know a lot of science fiction where people are

590
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 5: able to download their memories and you know, persist after

591
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 5: death in a new body. They are missing whatever time

592
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: elapses between like their last save, so they don't necessarily

593
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 5: remember how they die. And I've read a couple of

594
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: different science fiction mysteries that are you know, who killed me?

595
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: Because I don't have my backup doesn't include my moment

596
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: of death, so I don't know how I came to die.

597
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 5: It's a fun thing to play around with in clone stories,

598
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 5: but here he seems to end up with like every

599
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: moment of his death. They keep him plugged in so

600
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 5: he'll have all of these things in memory, and as

601
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 5: a result, he remembers some really painful, tragic core of stuff.

602
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, anything else about Mickey seventeen a lot.

603
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 5: But all of it I think stuff better discussed in

604
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 5: some sort.

605
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 8: Of segments that we I think we should do that. Okay,

606
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 8: I think we should do that.

607
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: I was going to say in some sort of juxtaposition

608
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: or some sort of like linking.

609
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, we'll be right back to do some blinking

610
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: the connections we call it between Mickey seventeen and Paul

611
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: Verhoven's Starship Troopers.

612
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,000
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613
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622
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Speaker 6: Hi, Mickey, how you doing.

623
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 9: Are you experiencing any vertigo, nausea, or dizziness?

624
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 5: I guess I am feeling a little dizzy.

625
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: It's only gonna get worse from here.

626
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: Mickey's a nice fever too.

627
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: Truth is, you're exposed to on thinkable levels of radiation

628
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: right now, which is why we send you out in

629
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: the first place. Okay, if you could give us a

630
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: full description of your symptoms. So a couple of things

631
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: I want to go through on our cosmic radiation checklist. First,

632
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 3: how long until your skin starts to burn? Then how

633
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: long until you go blind? And of course how long

634
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: until you die? That the real nut we're after.

635
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: Now it's time for connections, when we bring these two

636
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: films together and talk about all the things they have

637
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: in common. So I'm gonna say space bugs though even

638
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: though I know, even though I know that that we're

639
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: not in agreement in calling the creepers in Mickey seventeen bugs,

640
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: but they are both interesting and that in Starship Troopers

641
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: and in Mickey seventeen they are presumed hostile or at least,

642
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: you know, beings that humans determined must be wiped out,

643
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: so they do it, And I think, I think in

644
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: both cases we are led to suspect, like whether that

645
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 4: was really necessary to do. You know, Startship Troopers, it's

646
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: I guess with Ship Troopers, we don't really know who

647
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: started the fight. This battle with the iraqanids seems to

648
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: have started before the movie begins, but there's some suggestion

649
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: that it's that live and let live could have been

650
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 4: a philosophy that would have resulted in many fewer lost

651
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: lives on both sides. But in Mickey seventeen, these bugs

652
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: we discover are not so hostile and probably could have

653
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: been left alone, and that would have been okay, right.

654
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think it's unclear, like you said, not

655
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 8: really enough evidence start to make a conclusive statement about

656
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 8: Structure Troopers. But I will say that watching Startup Troopers

657
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 8: this time after seeing Mickey seventeen kind of colored the

658
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 8: way I saw it because there's all those shots of

659
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 8: the creepers kind of like huddling together as a family,

660
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 8: and like there's certainly less of that in Starship Troopers,

661
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 8: or maybe there's none of that, but in the final

662
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 8: scenes with the brain bugs, you kind of get the

663
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 8: smaller ones kind of huddle around the brain bug, and

664
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 8: not necessarily to protect the brain bug, but it's sort

665
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 8: of like it looks to me like out of like

666
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 8: some sort of like you know, self preservation. This is

667
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 8: what we do when we're in danger kind of situation.

668
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 8: So I don't know. Maybe these creatures have more in

669
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 8: common than they first seem to.

670
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 5: I mean, one thing they seem to have in common

671
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: is a kind of species wide psychic connection, which in

672
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: Star Street Troopers may come more from the brain bugs

673
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: being psychic than all of them being psychic. And I

674
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: suppose that's it's unclear to what extent that might be

675
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 5: true in this one as well. The book makes that

676
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: a lot clearer. There's a lot more thematically about the

677
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: difference between the big central one and all of the

678
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: little ones. But in this case, I don't know whether

679
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: even in his mind, Bong maintained that connection.

680
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: Chit they chitter at each other.

681
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: They do chitterate each other. The idea of a species

682
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: being psychically connected, I think, is kind of a potent metaphor,

683
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, where you have to think in terms of

684
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: like what one of them feels all of them feels,

685
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 5: and when you're talking about like big metaphorical science fiction stories,

686
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: that sense of the difference between say Mickey and his

687
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 5: most of the people around him who undamantly can't feel

688
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: his pain and dismiss it and don't care about his pain,

689
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 5: versus the way the bugs feel about one of their company,

690
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: like one of their species being hurt is markedly different

691
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 5: and really really noticeable. Whether the bugs and Starship Troopers

692
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: feel any sense of like shared value like that, I

693
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 5: think is pretty unclear. It is possible that only the

694
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 5: brain bugs are intelligent and that they're just like directing

695
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: the others like like automatons, like like, but Starship Troopers

696
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 5: not all that interested in really the mechanics of bug society.

697
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 5: There are a lot I've got just like a list

698
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 5: of like tiny micro parallels between these two movies that

699
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 5: make me convinced Bong Juno had it on replay before

700
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: he fully put together Mickey seventeen. There are a lot

701
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: of tiny, very specific parallels, and that dynamic really makes

702
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: me think that one of the things he was doing

703
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: with this story, with his version of this story was

704
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: kind of rectifying that a little bit from Starship Troopers,

705
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 5: that he felt that this was an area that was

706
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: touched on but maybe not explored enough that he wanted

707
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 5: to dive into and kind of find the resonance and

708
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: find the metaphor and find the implications of it more

709
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 5: than Verovin did.

710
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

711
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm kind of curious now about this list, but I'm

712
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: going to guess it's gonna Is it a come up

713
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: in another connection here?

714
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Or can you share?

715
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: No, I can just run down the list, because usually

716
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: we save this for the very last thing, when everybody

717
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: else is ready to go, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait,

718
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: there's one more thing. Just briefly, both of these movies

719
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: have a character drawing a romantic connection sort of thing

720
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 5: on a very primitive tablet in a stick art form

721
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: that is then passed back and forth with a love object.

722
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 5: Both of them involve a close up of a great,

723
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: big scoop of terrible goofy food being plopped onto a

724
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 5: gray tray. Both of them have a first person shot

725
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: of what it looks like when a giant aliens writhing,

726
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 5: tentacled mouth closes on you. Both of them have people

727
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: sacrificially blowing themselves up for the better good, and both

728
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 5: of them have love triangles built around a dufis that

729
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: everybody seems to want only even though he only wants

730
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 5: one of them and has no interest whatsoever in the

731
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: other one, you know, until he eventually does.

732
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: Wow, I love it. Thank you for that, Tasha.

733
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't that's all you got.

734
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: I don't doubt that Bong has seen Starship Troopers. I mean,

735
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: that's the one thing that's really lovable about Bug. You

736
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: how you know, it's that's kind of Scorsese, the effect

737
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: of just like he loves movies and is extremely open

738
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: and enthusiasm. Garmo del Toro is another one of just like,

739
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: his enthusiasms are right on the surface, and he's passionate

740
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: about movies and kind of sharing the things that he loves.

741
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: And so I don't I don't doubt that that Starship

742
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: Troopers is pretty top of mind, give given. I think

743
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: also instincts is as satirists, which are don't necessarily align exactly.

744
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: I mean, their concerns are a little bit different, but

745
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: there's some overlap there as well.

746
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, as far as is that all you got, Keith,

747
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: I know that that was said in jest, but no,

748
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 5: I've got a ton more. It's just that those are

749
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: like the micro like single shot kind of things that

750
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: don't bear discussion. We've got a lot more on this

751
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 5: list that are more like big discussion topics. These were

752
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 5: all just things that struck me as like, no, that's

753
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: that's just a direct reference, that's an homage, or that's

754
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: something where Bond like watched Casper van Deen drawing a

755
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 5: picture for Denise Richards, like on a crude tablet that's

756
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 5: him kissing her and then her drawing her version back

757
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: and handing it back to him, and he had a

758
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 5: moment of like, what would that look like in a

759
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 5: completely illiterate society that also has like weird sexual hang ups.

760
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: And what that looks like is a bunch of stick

761
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: figures of different sexual positions that get animated.

762
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 8: I will say that I did Google Bring the Baby

763
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 8: and did not. I believe as a sexual position that

764
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 8: only exists inside this film. But Google Bring the Baby

765
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 8: sex position can take you to some dark place. So

766
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 8: I just did not look very deeply into this.

767
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, you don't want to be there.

768
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 8: I think it's original to the film.

769
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: Oh wow, well, I mean fortunately, I guess as the

770
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: film finds its way out there that that will be

771
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: what comes up when you google Google that, and not

772
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: whatever is coming up in a world that is not familiar.

773
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: With this film.

774
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 5: Oh, it's going to start a big new sexual fact

775
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 5: across America. All the people who have been objecting to

776
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: why do movies need sex scenes. Are gonna see those

777
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 5: very very crudely drawn stick figures and it's just going

778
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: to light something up in them, and like sex will

779
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 5: return to America.

780
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: Baby Fishmouth is sweeping the nation right over that. Yeah,

781
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 4: I didn't think you get a when Harry met Sally

782
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: referenced in this podcast, but you got one.

783
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: So what else?

784
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: I guess One of the other elements of the future

785
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: here in both films is that people are very stupid.

786
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: Is the dummies are in charge. This is kind of

787
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: these are idiocracies that are in place, to the point

788
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: where you are impressed in both films that somehow the

789
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: space travel is even possible that they haven't been that

790
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 4: dumb down. But in terms of the way the heroes

791
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: of the movie, in terms of in terms of even

792
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: the leadership that we see that we witness in both

793
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: of these movies, we're not seeing a whole lot of.

794
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Intelligence happening here.

795
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 4: This is a lot of dumb people making bad decisions

796
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: that blow up in their faces more often than not.

797
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And part of the aspect of that is it's

798
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 5: kind of like leadership by manipulation and mob rule. You know,

799
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: there's very obvious present political metaphory in some of the

800
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: stuff that Marshall does with like rallying his people with

801
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: catchphrases and calls to He keeps referring to the new

802
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: planet that they're coming to where they're going to establish

803
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 5: the colony is a frozen snow planet, so he keeps

804
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 5: referring to it as his perfect white planet and talking

805
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: about the eugenics breeding that they're going to engage in

806
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: to get like the perfect race of people to live

807
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: on his white planet. That's all pretty pointed, But the

808
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 5: rallies that he throws and the way that he gets

809
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 5: them kind of like chanting catchphrases, is very much like

810
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: the militaristic leadership that we see in Starship Troopers that

811
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 5: just kind of rule by catchphrase more or less make

812
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 5: people feel good about themselves by telling them they're better

813
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 5: than other people around them, and then just turn it

814
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: into a slogan. Stick it on a hat, stick the

815
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 5: hat on the people's heads, and that's that's kind of

816
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 5: all you need.

817
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is is like with

818
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 8: the startup Troopers, you kind of get the sensor might

819
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 8: be some unseen hand, you know, some sort of leadership

820
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 8: manipularly everyone with here what we see of leadership is

821
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 8: dumb and the rank and file. Maybe there's flashes of intelligence.

822
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 8: I mean a Nasha seems reasonably intelligent. H Mickey eighteen

823
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 8: least seems like a step up in some ways from

824
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 8: from Mickey seventeen, or at least more more confident in

825
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 8: some ways. But it doesn't necessarily seem like the brightest

826
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 8: people are on on this ship from in any level

827
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 8: really though.

828
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: Like you said, been expelled in a way from Earth.

829
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: They've they're yeah, so so in that sense, I mean,

830
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: Earth does not look like a particularly good habitable place.

831
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 4: It looks kind of like kind of a mess that

832
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: is really you know, toilet well, I mean you know

833
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: what you know, I don't necessarily feel like a macaron

834
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: place could or should do better sell better than hamburgers.

835
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: So that sense, in that sense, that's this, that's this,

836
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: you know, society, we're working as it as it probably should.

837
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, it doesn't. Earth is not a doesn't seem

838
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: like a liverable place.

839
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I mean, this is kind

840
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: of a sect that has been cast out that we

841
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: have a failed political candidate who has attracted enough of

842
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 4: a cult to where they can all kind of f

843
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: off and move to their move to their own damn

844
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: planet and and.

845
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Start start again under his leadership.

846
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: That's maybe says at least something that there's you know,

847
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: and I think there's also there was also a rejection

848
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: of ethical rejection on Earth to the technology that allows

849
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: for expendables to be disposed of and reproduced, like that

850
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: copy machine was something that was rejected by Earthlings. So

851
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: that's that's to their credits as well to not not

852
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: being necessarily being complete idiots but actually being somewhat thoughtful

853
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: about the implications of this technology. But in any case,

854
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: I think you're right. You're right in the sense that,

855
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: like when we're getting getting to our actual heroes, who

856
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: are not powerful, who are you know, in service to

857
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 4: whatever missions that the people in charge are orchestrating. You know,

858
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: they're not the brightest people in the world, Like Mickey's

859
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: not not terribly bright, and certainly none of our fresh

860
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: faced military types are wise either, you either. I think

861
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: that's part of where the comedy comes in, especially in

862
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: Mickey seventeen. But I think I think there's a you know,

863
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: and this is I guess it takes place where Tash

864
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 4: and I kind of disagree a little bit, But I

865
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: think there's kind of the in, you know, overarching sort

866
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: of comic intent to the way the characters are drawn

867
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 4: and played really in Starship Troopers.

868
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: So I think it's.

869
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 8: Pretty clear what the overarching political structure of Starship Troopers is.

870
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 8: Do we get a clear sense of what that is

871
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 8: in Mickey seventeen? And we know there's just agreements and

872
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 8: other expendables are not legal on Earth, and we know

873
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 8: that Marshall is a failure on Earth. So I think

874
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 8: there's a little bit of commentary there with him finding

875
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 8: success in the middle of nowhere with dummies, But I

876
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 8: don't know, did you get a clean idea as to

877
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 8: what was going on on the planet.

878
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: I mean I would have said the exact opposite. Like

879
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: one of the things that we didn't get into in

880
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 5: discussing Starship Troopers, in part because I knew it would

881
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 5: come up here because there's such a clear point of contrast.

882
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: Is kind of going back to that big picture of

883
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 5: does the satire work for me? One of the reasons

884
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 5: the satire doesn't fully work in making fun of a

885
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 5: fascist society and how it's maintained is that we don't

886
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 5: know any thing about the leadership. We don't know anything

887
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 5: about who's perpetuating this. If the bug war is a

888
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 5: cover to keep people young, dumb, and off the planet,

889
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: or to keep people under control via propaganda, we don't

890
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 5: know who's perpetuating it or why, which we have a

891
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: very very clear picture of throughout Mickey seventeen. But when

892
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 5: it comes to kind of who's running this world and

893
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: what it's like with Mickey seventeen, we don't get a

894
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 5: ton of a look at Earth. But even in the

895
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 5: small glimpse we have, we know there are a lot

896
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: of disposable people that are hungry and desperate. We know

897
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: that there are people that are rich and privileged. Just

898
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 5: the look inside that's the Loan Sharks, the restaurant that

899
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 5: is also failing that the Loan Shark has backed. It's

900
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: like a site of luxury. We know that there's a

901
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 5: kind of a predatory capitalism going on on the planet,

902
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: in part because we get that moment where a thousand

903
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: people are in line for these jobs that'll take them

904
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: off world, and we can hear the overhead announcer saying, oh,

905
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: there's another dust storm rolling in you you can go

906
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 5: buy breathing masks in the gift shop.

907
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: If you like.

908
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 5: You know, just the idea that your survival depends on

909
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 5: what you can buy. We are indifferent to it. We

910
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: expect the environment to be complete trash. We're used to it.

911
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: Like all of these things just seem like very very

912
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 5: telling moments that may not show us who's in charge,

913
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: who won that election that Marshall lost, whether there's anybody

914
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 5: out there with any sense of you know, kindness or altruism,

915
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 5: but we know what the world looks like for an

916
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 5: awful lot of people just in this one space, and

917
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: it seems pretty miserable and pretty indifferent, I guess.

918
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean with Starship Papers though I would not I

919
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: definitely did not find myself longing to see who was

920
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: in charge. I feel like, you know, the movie itself,

921
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 4: the world of the film itself kind of suggests the engineering,

922
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: the who, the what, the engineers, what their priorities are,

923
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 4: and just by reflecting, you know, it's what their priorities

924
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: are reflected in the world that they've created. I would say,

925
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: so it's not really necessary to show them actually out

926
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: there making the decisions, you know, I think it's actually

927
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: more effective to not see them at all, that is,

928
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 4: see this society, this machine that they've really built function.

929
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: I mean, this is kind of almost like what if

930
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: the Third Reich was like a success, Like what if

931
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: it was what if it was long lasting? You know,

932
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 4: what if this social engineering was allowed to take place,

933
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 4: you know, over decades, what would the world look like

934
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: and how would society sort of sustain itself? And I

935
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: think that's kind of the world of Buenos Aires in

936
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: Starship Troopers.

937
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you certainly do get a point of contrast

938
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 5: with Rico's parents, who are very living a luxurious life,

939
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 5: and like one of the reasons they are so offended

940
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 5: at the idea of Rico. You know, apparently they're not citizens,

941
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 5: they're rich, but they kind of seem contemptuous of the

942
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: idea of undergoing military service so you can vote as

943
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 5: if like voting isn't something that they've done or that

944
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 5: they care about. But there's still even as presumed non

945
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: citizens capable of being rich, of living in this like

946
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 5: luxurious mansion with floor to ceiling windows and a glorious view.

947
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: They're capable of like going to other planets for casual vacations.

948
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 5: So you know, once again you kind of have that

949
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 5: out of touch rich folk versus kind of the common

950
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 5: person who's struggling to get by. But the promise of

951
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 5: you can actually have a voice and a say in

952
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 5: this society is something that is dangled over people that

953
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: they're in many cases willing to sacrifice their life for.

954
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 5: Wouldn't really talk about. Like one of the things that

955
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: maybe gets lost in Starship Troopers among all of the

956
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 5: talk about co ed showers and fascism and sexuality and stuff,

957
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 5: is that you actually learn a lot during that scene

958
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 5: about why people would potentially sack the sacrifice their lives

959
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 5: in the military in order to become citizens. And we

960
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: find out that you can get a license to have

961
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: children if you're.

962
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: A Sizena Ye about that, Oh my gosh. Yeah.

963
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 5: Which is also an interesting little parallel with Mickey seventeen

964
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 5: in that, you know, you get Marshal's speeches about he

965
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 5: doesn't want anybody to have sex on the ship going

966
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: to the planet because that expends calories and they can't

967
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 5: afford calories. But he says once they get there, he's

968
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 5: going to start like a giant pro sex movement because

969
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 5: he wants everybody breeding NonStop in order to expand and

970
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 5: take over the planet with their their pure Aryan blood,

971
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: which he doesn't use those words. He just keeps referring

972
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 5: to his perfect white planet. And then he brings Kai

973
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 5: in to talk to her about how she's she's his ideal,

974
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: She's the kind of person that he really wants to

975
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 5: see breeding, which is interesting because Mickey seventeen does seem

976
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: to be another world where gender and race don't matter

977
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 5: and people are you know, even on his pure white planet,

978
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 5: Like there are a lot of people of color on

979
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 5: that ship, some of them presumably, as he says, fertile

980
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: women who are going to be breeding on his pure

981
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: white planet. So you know, the metaphor there is both

982
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 5: satirically pointed and maybe a little bit muddy. But regardless,

983
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: we're given to understand in Starship Troopers that being a

984
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: citizen means something different from being like wealthy and successful.

985
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 5: It means potentially being influential, but also having freedom, having

986
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 5: freedom to have children, having freedom to vote, having freedom

987
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 5: to become a politician, which he can't otherwise.

988
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: Lobby freedom is definitely that's a pretty high price to pay.

989
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 5: Freedom isn't free, Scott, That's true.

990
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 4: One thing I think It's important to underline here is

991
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: the absence of real choice that young people are given

992
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 4: in this society. I mean, you know, they you know,

993
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 4: what else are they supposed to do? I mean, obviously

994
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: Rico has this kind of odd situation where his family

995
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: does have wealth and he could go on vacation to

996
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 4: a planet, and I think that's kind of a way

997
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: that they kind of a desperate ploy on their part

998
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: really to try to keep him from doing what I

999
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: think all young people in the society are pushed extremely

1000
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: hard to do. I mean, it goes, it comes. It's

1001
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: very similar in a way to the propaganda materials that

1002
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: where it's like, would you like to know more? And

1003
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 4: you're given a menu of what seemed to be choices,

1004
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 4: but they're all sort of directing you to the same

1005
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: line of thought. You don't actually get competing lines of thoughts,

1006
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 4: you don't get competing pieces of information, and you don't

1007
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: get competing choices. If you're if you're a young person,

1008
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: you are destined to a certain responsibilities, You're destined to

1009
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: military service, You're destined to a certain place within the

1010
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: mililitary service, you know, and the idea the choice is

1011
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: really ultimately, you know, an illusory thing.

1012
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 5: That said that for nineteen ninety seven, the structure of

1013
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 5: those news things where you have to like click on

1014
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 5: the next hyperlink to bring up the next piece of

1015
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 5: information and it's basically all a big slide show that's

1016
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 5: just trying to get clicks out of you. That was

1017
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 5: very prescient for nineteen ninety seven in terms of how

1018
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 5: the later Internet would work and how it expected you

1019
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 5: to engage, but also how you could just like go

1020
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 5: down an infinite rabbit hole of you know, information, even

1021
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 5: if it is all propaganda or misinformation.

1022
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: It's the fascist algo for sure.

1023
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: One one other thing that you can earn through military

1024
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: service that's kind of important to some of the dynamics

1025
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 5: in both of these movies. We're told when Rico's parents

1026
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: don't want him to join the military, father says, well,

1027
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 5: you're going to Harvard, end of story, there's no question

1028
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: about it. Later he finds out that one of his

1029
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 5: fellow recruits wants to go to Harvard and got in

1030
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 5: but can't afford it and is going to earn it

1031
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: through military service. So you know, just in the tiniest way,

1032
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 5: that little detail about he has had something handed to

1033
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 5: him that he didn't have to work for or earn,

1034
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: and that he rejected, and then somebody else is like

1035
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 5: literally sacrificing his life for a chance. I mean that

1036
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: character dies, he does not get to go to Harvard,

1037
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 5: but he's willing to put his life on the line

1038
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 5: for the chance to get something that Rico could have

1039
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 5: had for free as far as expenditure for him personally

1040
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 5: and deemed unworthy. Like when you look at Bang Jun

1041
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 5: Hoo's feeling about habs and have nots, that is actually

1042
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: just a very Bang jun' hoe element in terms of

1043
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: the rich not valuing what they have and not seeing

1044
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 5: how difficult other people might have it. So as far

1045
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: as other kind of like big picture connections go, at

1046
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: the Avy Club, we put out a book called Inventory

1047
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 5: that was kind of an extension of the list feature

1048
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 5: that we had on the site, and we had some

1049
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 5: stuff that was original to that book. And one of

1050
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 5: the things that's always stuck with me is Patton Oswald

1051
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 5: wrote a short list about movies that changed things. I

1052
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 5: think was the theme, but one of them was Alien

1053
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: and he was talking about specifically the concept of science

1054
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 5: fiction and a future where blue collar workers still existed

1055
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 5: and capitalism still existed and jobs still existed, and things

1056
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 5: kind of sucked, you know, not a clean Star Trek

1057
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 5: future where everybody had replicators and could just you know,

1058
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 5: manufacture all of the tea earl gray hot they want,

1059
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 5: but where ordinary people had to work ordinary jobs and

1060
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 5: risk their ordinary lives and it was dangerous and grimy

1061
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: and it sucked. So here in these two movies, one

1062
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 5: of them is about space marines, but like, these are people.

1063
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 5: These are people who a lot of them die in

1064
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 5: terrible ways, Like they don't certainly don't have easy lives,

1065
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 5: but they're all just these like very shiny, clear skinned,

1066
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: sharp chinned, glossy haired, beautiful, plastic barbie people who you know,

1067
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 5: have have shiny armor and have big guns and have

1068
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 5: spaceships that can take them like light years across the

1069
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: galaxy and whatever. And it just feels like a very

1070
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 5: like glossed up future. And the contrast between that and

1071
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 5: the kind of like filthy, starving, almost consistently odd looking

1072
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 5: people in Mickey seventeen, and I very much put Robert

1073
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 5: Pattinson in that category, especially in the sort of like

1074
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 5: scoliosis afflicted, perpetually twisted and hunched, just kind of like

1075
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 5: starveling persona that he puts on for most of the movie.

1076
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 5: This is very much a contrast between a future where

1077
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 5: it kind of feels like everybody is either genetically tweaked

1078
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: or just gets like a perfect mix of food and

1079
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 5: nutrients starting from birth, with a future where everybody is

1080
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: kind of like starving all of the time and nobody's

1081
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: gonna like waste water on bathing except maybe the richest people.

1082
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: Maybe that's why Tony Collett's character, in her obsession with sauces,

1083
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 5: like where it came from, is like that just kind

1084
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 5: of seems like the ultimate peripheral to survival, like one

1085
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 5: of the least necessary things to survival. You can have sauce. Sauce, yeah,

1086
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: you know, because it's it's by definition, it's it's there

1087
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 5: just to make something taste better, like to yeah, a

1088
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 5: little extra on top, to make something improve in flavor

1089
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 5: or improven in texture, mouth feel or whatever. But like

1090
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 5: in a society where everybody else is eating shapeless goo

1091
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: or what looks like just the grimiest like pressed protein bars. Ever,

1092
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 5: the idea of like worrying about sauces is a luxury,

1093
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 5: especially when everybody else is just so grossly grimy most

1094
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 5: of the time.

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00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really makes you we think. I mean, Alien

1096
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 4: is that perfect example. And I think it's something that

1097
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: even a film like Alien Romulus, the most recent one,

1098
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: touched on quite a bit of just that question of

1099
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: all right, so let's just say that we can we

1100
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: can humans kind of have the capacity to colonize a

1101
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: new place and bring ordinary people up to these extraordinary

1102
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 4: new planets?

1103
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Like what would that look like? And I think it

1104
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: kind of gets it right, I mean, you know, I

1105
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: always think about it.

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00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: I think now of course with Elon Musk everywhere, and

1107
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: it is will occupy Mars shirts or whatever, just like, Okay,

1108
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 4: let's say that happens are what are humans? It's going

1109
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: to be like, you know, I mean, like is the

1110
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 4: what are you going to do if you're if you're

1111
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: just an ordinary person, you know, brought up to work

1112
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 4: on one of these planets, It's going to be a

1113
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: situation where you you have no recourse, where you depend

1114
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: on the company for everything, where you can't really strike, You're.

1115
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: Probably not getting much of it. You're probably in a

1116
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: situation of indentured servitude, et cetera. You know.

1117
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Speaker 4: The difference I guess here with Mickey seventeen is that

1118
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 4: the people going up are part of our cultists who

1119
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: have been seduced by you know, Marshall's political philosophy without

1120
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: really realizing that they are. They're going to be one

1121
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 4: of those people. Those people who are currently subsisting on

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 4: mush are probably you know, I don't think things are

1123
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: going to get much better for them if if things

1124
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 4: call perfectly on this ice planet.

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's going to be a pretty bad

1126
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: deal for them.

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's something that the book is really a lot

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 5: more obsessed with that the movie kind of doesn't have

1129
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 5: space for. Is what life is going to be like

1130
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 5: for these people on this planet, and specifically the steps

1131
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 5: that they're taking towards terrorforming it, the steps that they're

1132
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 5: taking towards making it like a livable space for themselves,

1133
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 5: is just something that there would just be one more element,

1134
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 5: I think than this movie can handle. That's not really

1135
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 5: where Bong Jinhoe's brain is gone.

1136
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 4: Be fascinating, though, I would. I'd kind of like to

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 4: see that movie just to just to see, Okay, let's

1138
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: let's see what what colonizing this planet looks like. That's

1139
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 4: kind of interesting, interesting thought, I.

1140
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 8: Think It peaked a couple of seasons ago, the most

1141
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 8: recent season of for aw Mankind. It does very much.

1142
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 8: You get into the labor issues of building a colony

1143
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 8: on Mars, and and you know, expecitation, know the workers,

1144
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 8: and what happens when they revolt and so on and

1145
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 8: so forth.

1146
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 4: Just one of them take off their helmet and then

1147
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 4: their face expands and they go, oh, that's my that's

1148
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 4: my verhove Mary.

1149
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: That was a pretty good invitation of pretty well.

1150
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it is sort of funny that you're talking

1151
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 5: about somebody taking off their helmet and then their face

1152
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 5: explodes and they go rah. But you're talking about total

1153
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 5: recall and not about Starship Troopers, where that also happens.

1154
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 5: Just you know, he doesn't immediately get better afterwards when

1155
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: the air come back comes back.

1156
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true though, And it kind

1157
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 4: of happens to Mickey as well. I mean, he doesn't,

1158
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't really have that reaction taking off

1159
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 4: his helmet. But long term exposure to ice planet air

1160
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 4: turns out not to be so healthy.

1161
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: When you're not.

1162
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 4: Don't have any kind of vaccine to protect you. These

1163
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: things have to be developed.

1164
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 5: How interesting by the way is it that Mickey seventeen,

1165
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 5: and in addition to all of its other kind of

1166
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 5: pointed present political metaphors and notes, has a sequence that

1167
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 5: revolves entirely around the importance of vaccines and the process

1168
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 5: of developing vaccines, and the sacrifice involved in developing vaccine,

1169
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 5: and how incredibly necessary vaccines are. That strikes me as

1170
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 5: somebody who just got yelled at the other day for

1171
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 5: wearing a mask in public because COVID nineteen is over.

1172
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 5: It's over.

1173
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 8: I tell you, wait, who did this to you?

1174
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 5: A stranger, a total stranger. Yeah, and you've given some

1175
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 5: of the stuff that's happening right now politically with vaccines

1176
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 5: and the possibility of we don't need those anymore. I

1177
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 5: think it's interesting that he makes such a point of that, literally,

1178
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 5: like this planet is unlivable unless you've had the vaccine,

1179
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 5: and then if you've had the vaccine, you don't need

1180
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 5: to worry about it at all and everything is fine,

1181
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 5: which is crazy given how actual viruses work.

1182
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: Something to think about.

1183
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 5: We are getting to that point in the evening that

1184
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 5: I recognize where I want to keep talking and everybody

1185
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: else is done. But I'll throw out a couple of

1186
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: like real small connections here. If it was up to me,

1187
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 5: these would all be two hour episodes and everybody would

1188
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 5: hate me even more, including the listeners who are like,

1189
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 5: just just say what you think about the movie and go,

1190
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 5: we're done. I think it is interesting that both of

1191
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 5: these movies are book adaptations that take about half of

1192
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 5: the story material and then go off in their own directions,

1193
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 5: specifically because of obsessions that the directors have, and we've

1194
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 5: talked about those directors' obsessions, you know, in both cases,

1195
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 5: and a lot of detail, so it doesn't feel like

1196
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 5: something we need a bigger dive into. But it is

1197
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 5: interesting to me that given how much of Mickey seventeen

1198
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 5: the movie feels like long jinho addressing starship Troopers and

1199
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 5: riffing on it or you know, talking about some of

1200
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: it its issues or diving deeper into some of its ideas,

1201
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 5: it's fascinating to me that all of that came out

1202
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 5: of completely unrelated as far as I can tell, a

1203
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 5: book that he also draws from very heavily before veering

1204
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 5: off or really sharply in his own direction.

1205
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's always exciting to me

1206
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 4: in terms of that's kind of the goal as far

1207
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: as book adaptations go for me in terms of, you know,

1208
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 4: you got to make it your own. What like, what

1209
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: makes it a movie, What interests you, what compels you

1210
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: as a filmmaker about the material? And I think I

1211
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 4: think if you have a filmmaker who kind of can

1212
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 4: take the essence of a book, or to take a

1213
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 4: piece of a book that and developed that piece, that

1214
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: to me is reflects a little bit more thought, a

1215
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: little bit more of a sensibility than someone who's just

1216
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 4: going to do it straight up. You know, though it

1217
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 4: seems like in neither one of these cases is like

1218
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: a Jonathan Glazer like kind of just like I barely

1219
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 4: I mean barely skimmed this book or whatever. I'm just

1220
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 4: taking this t little thing from the from it and

1221
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 4: just toss the rest of the trash.

1222
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: Not quite like that. But but they each make it

1223
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: their own.

1224
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 5: And then I just think that it's interesting that, like

1225
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 5: amid all of these big points that they're making in

1226
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: both cases about about politics and fascist futures and satire

1227
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 5: and haves and have nots and you know, sacrifices and

1228
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 5: the military and what gets done to people who aren't

1229
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 5: valued in the society. Both of them make a surprising

1230
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 5: amount of room for a romantic subplot that's expressly about

1231
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 5: a dufus who's deeply in love with one person and

1232
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 5: has another woman that just won't let go, that really

1233
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 5: wants to be with him, and who in the end

1234
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 5: is dismissed with in very very different ways. But in

1235
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 5: neither case do I really necessarily see what's so great

1236
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 5: about the dude in the middle of these love triangles

1237
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 5: that warrants this level of obsession. But apparently one of

1238
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 5: the things that people were very upset about when Starship

1239
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 5: Troopers came out was the specific fate that Dizzy meets

1240
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 5: and how that whole romantic thing aligns, Whereas it feels

1241
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 5: like the Mickey seventeen version has just kind of a

1242
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 5: much kinder ending for where that love triangle goes kind

1243
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 5: of for all concerned.

1244
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 8: Very even in the commentary talks about audience really hate it,

1245
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 8: does he being killed? And like kind of got responses

1246
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 8: like you killed the wrong woman because Richard's that they

1247
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 8: were preferred to have seeing her killed switch telling in

1248
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 8: its own way.

1249
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 5: I guess the wrong son died.

1250
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't make a lot, but I mean, you know,

1251
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 4: I think Verehovid has to emphasize what part of the

1252
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 4: military people tend to die into.

1253
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, it's more to be more likely,

1254
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: not to say.

1255
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 4: Denise Richards's character gets in some gets into some trouble,

1256
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 4: though she gets in a little trouble. She's she almost

1257
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: gets her brain sucked up by the brain bug, but.

1258
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 5: Avoid Naomiaki's character also gets in some trouble, but it's

1259
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 5: a much less space bug related to trouble, I guess,

1260
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 5: and much more society related trouble, and she kind of

1261
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 5: navigates that on her own, I think a lot better

1262
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 5: than Denise Richards does well.

1263
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 4: I mean, people can compare and contrast themselves. Mickey seventeen

1264
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: is currently playing in theaters, and I think we all

1265
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: recommend seeing it that way.

1266
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: It is.

1267
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of money was thrown into that project,

1268
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 4: and Bong Juno certainly knows how to make a budget

1269
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 4: work for him. Startshup Coopers is currently streaming on Prime

1270
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 4: Video and it's available on DVD a Blu Ray.

1271
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with your next picture show.

1272
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 4: Finally, it's time to recommend a film or film related

1273
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 4: an item that complements this set of episodes. We call

1274
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 4: it your Next Picture Show in the hopes that'll put

1275
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 4: some interesting choices on your radar. Tasha, we had another

1276
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 4: film that kind of came to mind when we first

1277
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 4: heard about Mickey seventeen. We didn't go with it, but

1278
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: I believe that it is would be a good choice

1279
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 4: for your Next Picture Show.

1280
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 5: Yes, I agree. I pushed pretty hard to pair this

1281
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 5: movie Mackey seventeen with Duncan Jones Moon for reasons that

1282
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 5: will be I think immediately obvious to anybody who has

1283
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 5: seen Moon, and that I kind of don't want to

1284
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 5: spoil for anybody who hasn't. And the end, we went

1285
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 5: with Starship Troopers in part just because the satirical elements,

1286
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 5: the humor elements, the fascist elements, the kind of late

1287
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 5: stage capitalism parody elements seemed a lot more defined in

1288
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 5: Starship Troopers.

1289
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: Moon.

1290
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 5: I guess addresses were we are back to blue collar

1291
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 5: workers in space, to predatory systems, to a loner who

1292
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 5: faces something that is not what he expected the world

1293
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 5: to be, to a story that comes down to some

1294
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 5: questions about identity and doppelgangers in the way of some

1295
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 5: of the best science fiction. Doppelganger movies where somebody has

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Speaker 5: to kind of face who they are, what their identity

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Speaker 5: is in a system or as anxiety, where individuality is

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Speaker 5: not necessarily as defined as it maybe is in our

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Speaker 5: place and time. And I don't want to say much

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Speaker 5: more about the plot than that it's Duncan Jon's Moon

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Speaker 5: has just always fascinated me because it is It's such

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Speaker 5: a textured and structured movie. It's just so expert. It's

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Speaker 5: a shoe string budget science fiction movie where everything feels

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Speaker 5: lived in and believable in a way that isn't always

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Speaker 5: true of science fiction movies. It's just everything, especially you know,

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Speaker 5: Indie like small budget science fiction movies, although the certainly

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Speaker 5: have gotten better with the democratization of special effects. So

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Speaker 5: a connection that we didn't get into with Mickey seventeen

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Speaker 5: and Starship Troopers that I meant to bring up is

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Speaker 5: just that they're both very, very political movies. I think

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Speaker 5: that we talked more about politics and present politics and

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Speaker 5: our feelings about certain specific individuals in this episode of

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Speaker 5: the podcast than we ever have on any other previous podcast,

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Speaker 5: and Moon deals with some of the same issues, I

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Speaker 5: think with a much gentler and less satirical hand. The

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Speaker 5: idea of predatory capitalism is certainly there, you can see

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Speaker 5: those lines, but it isn't nearly as It's not funny,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's not garishly satirical. It's not like over

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Speaker 5: the top. There aren't a lot of laughs in it.

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Speaker 5: But it's such a well tuned story that deals with

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Speaker 5: some of the same themes and same ideas in a

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Speaker 5: very different, a very small, very self contained, very personal

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Speaker 5: kind of way that also just draws out a believable

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Speaker 5: future and like a very well realized character played by

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Speaker 5: Sam Rockwell. It's very small movie because it mostly takes

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Speaker 5: place in a remote part of space, manned by a

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Speaker 5: single worker played by Rockwell. He is joined by a

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Speaker 5: kind of a robot companion voiced by Kevin Spacey, which

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Speaker 5: you know, we have to warn people up front in

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Speaker 5: case that's a turn off, But you don't have to

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Speaker 5: see his face. You're you're just hearing his voice coming

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Speaker 5: from a robot. So I mean, if these kind of

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Speaker 5: themes and ideas appeal to you, but like the specific

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Speaker 5: political elements don't, or the specific tone of the kind

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Speaker 5: of like garishness and vulgarity, or the playfulness and weirdness

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Speaker 5: is a little too much for you. I would strongly

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Speaker 5: recommend Duncan Jones Moon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a fan of the movie. It's been a

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Speaker 2: while since I've seen.

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Speaker 4: I just remember it being really clever and resourceful in

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Speaker 4: a movie that is a great showcase for Sam Rockwell

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Speaker 4: and all that he can bring to the table as

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Speaker 4: an actor.

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Speaker 2: He's got so.

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Speaker 4: Much, so much range, and it's a lot for him

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Speaker 4: to try to to, uh, a lot for him to carry,

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Speaker 4: and he does it quite well.

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Speaker 2: There's a space out of sea. This is space Oudity, right, Keith?

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Speaker 2: Is that from? Uh, from David Bowie's son A Space Oddity?

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Speaker 8: It is as precisely that I'm sure. I'm sure no

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Speaker 8: headline writer.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a New York Times.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like a New York Times headline from David

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Speaker 4: Bowie's son, a Space Oddity.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it looked up.

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Speaker 8: He's got a movie coming out with this year's first

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Speaker 8: first one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to come back from that Netflix thing

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Speaker 2: he did. That was rough? What was that that one?

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Speaker 2: The mute mute tough stuff. But uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Netflix Blockbusters is a discussion for another time. Uh.

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Speaker 5: What about Warcraft? The Warcraft movie from twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 8: I watched that, and I watched it like I left

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 8: it like, well could someone told him that I just

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 8: watched it wasn't it wasn't terrible, but I felt like,

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Speaker 8: you know, it was it was four. It felt like

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Speaker 8: it was four hardcore fans of the game, which I'd

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Speaker 8: never played.

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Speaker 2: So I like to say his second film was good, though,

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Speaker 2: I like to good.

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Speaker 5: Solid is a little messy, but it is again like

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Speaker 5: high concept science fiction that's got some fun and interesting

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Speaker 5: stuff going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you don't like to see a descending

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 4: arc to a career, so you kind of hope things

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Speaker 4: will pick up for Duncan Jones.

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Speaker 5: We'll find out this star apparently.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get a chance to talk about a Duncan

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Speaker 4: Jones film at some point in the future. But for now,

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Speaker 4: that's it for this edition to The Next Picture Show.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back next week with another set of episodes. Tasha,

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Speaker 4: can you tell us about our next pairy?

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Speaker 5: One advantage to Steven Soderberg and David Kep keeping their

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Speaker 5: movie projects to about ninety minutes long seems to be

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Speaker 5: that they can produce them A startlingly fast clip hot

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Speaker 5: on the heels of their ghost story Presence, which hit

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Speaker 5: theaters in January. They followed up just a couple of

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Speaker 5: months later with Black Bag and instantly critically beloved spy

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Speaker 5: thriller starring Kate Blanchette and Michael Fassbender as married British

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Speaker 5: intelligence officers with a dilemma. He's been asked to find

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Speaker 5: out who leaked top secret data. She is on the

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Speaker 5: shortlist of suspects. Well, there are a few different mister

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Speaker 5: Smith's Smith projects we could have looked to when it

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Speaker 5: comes to married spies dueling each other. Something about the quippy,

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Speaker 5: edged intelligent relationship here between these two brought up a

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Speaker 5: more exciting pairing possibility for us, A chance to look

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Speaker 5: back at WS Van Dyke's nineteen thirty four classic The Thinman,

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 5: a Dashel Hammett derived mystery with William Powell and Myrna

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Speaker 5: Loy as a married couple investigating a murder together. The

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Speaker 5: blend of romance between equals, load bearing banter and who

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Speaker 5: done it to solve was irresistible.

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