Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership
Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, and I are delighted to be presenting the
Speaker 3: first BAFT of the night for a vital part of
Speaker 3: movie making.
Speaker 4: We're here to some.
Speaker 5: So uh we are beginning our mini pod today.
Speaker 1: After watching the BAFT Awards last week, we saw where
Speaker 1: a gentleman with Tourette syndrome yelled out nigger is the
Speaker 1: word that he yelled out while del Roy Lindo and
Speaker 1: Michael B.
Speaker 5: Jordan were on presenting.
Speaker 1: And what we wanted to do was ensure that we
Speaker 1: didn't have this conversation in isolation, in a vacuum, and
Speaker 1: so we wanted to bring on our friend New York
Speaker 1: Public Advocate Jimani Williams, who is the only elected at
Speaker 1: the time he was elected, the only elected official in
Speaker 1: the country Tourette syndrome, and he's talked about this online,
Speaker 1: but we also wanted to make sure that we bring
Speaker 1: his thoughts to you. He told us he hadn't watched
Speaker 1: the video, so he just showed him the video and
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your initial reaction to that. Jimiani
Speaker 1: also happy Black History month, So it sucks to be
Speaker 1: called the N word Black History Month, but I do
Speaker 1: want to hear your.
Speaker 6: Thoughts, appreciate you Happy American History Month with the black
Speaker 6: lands on it like it's a painful situation all the
Speaker 6: way around. As you mentioned, I happened. You know, I've
Speaker 6: been black a pretty long time. I've had to rest
Speaker 6: syndrome for a long time, diagnosed in the ninth grade,
Speaker 6: So the intersection there is interesting. I also have corpulia,
Speaker 6: so and actually one of my tics is the N word.
Speaker 6: Many people who may not know they're augmented, which we
Speaker 6: can also talk about for a while. And what's frustrating
Speaker 6: is I noticed a lot of anger and outrage, which
Speaker 6: there should be. What I've been trying to do with
Speaker 6: my post is make sure we put the anger in
Speaker 6: the right spaces and the empathy in the right spaces,
Speaker 6: and empathy has to go both ways. What was frustrating
Speaker 6: to me is that black folks always seem to be
Speaker 6: the ones that have to have the brunt of showing
Speaker 6: grace and showing empathy. And there's a lot of things
Speaker 6: that could have been done to make sure that people
Speaker 6: weren't as harm as they were, and so it's important
Speaker 6: for folks to understand that, you know, thered syndrome is intrusive.
Speaker 6: It has intrusive sounds, It has intrusive thoughts, vocal sounds.
Speaker 6: I have a tick on my shoulder. I actually will
Speaker 6: tick where my body hurts the most, which is really painful.
Speaker 6: So imagine that is not something I want to do.
Speaker 6: So what happens is not about the lack of a
Speaker 6: filter corporrella is about the most socially unacceptable words that
Speaker 6: you're going to have a loss of control over. But
Speaker 6: one thing that could have been done was more education
Speaker 6: about what was going on before and after and very
Speaker 6: simply after. And BBC could have censored it like they
Speaker 6: centered Free Palestine. They censored some other words that you
Speaker 6: didn't hear because there were square words. Why they didn't
Speaker 6: censor those, I don't know. So what could have been
Speaker 6: turned into a moment to teach people about to red
Speaker 6: syndrome turned into a moment where everyone was harmed, including
Speaker 6: the black folks and Daryl Lindo and Michael because and
Speaker 6: shout out to them, they've dealt with Black people unfortunately
Speaker 6: are forced to do, which is show poison grace in
Speaker 6: situations where they're feeling harmed.
Speaker 4: Can you and thank you for just telling your truth
Speaker 4: to us and helping us understand because I come from
Speaker 4: this place of just sheer ignorance. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: kind of a new This is new for me, and
Speaker 4: so I hope that I know that you will, but
Speaker 4: I hope that others give me the grace of learning
Speaker 4: about tourets as we go. REESI talked about creating space
Speaker 4: for having empathy. What are some of the other things
Speaker 4: you want our listeners to know. You talk about the
Speaker 4: involuntary tics, You talk about the words that are used,
Speaker 4: but how is it treated? What happens? Is it a
Speaker 4: speech there? Like tell me what happens when you're diagnosed
Speaker 4: and what happens after that some of the things that
Speaker 4: individuals with Tourett's go through.
Speaker 6: So interestingly, I was diagnosed in the ninth grade, and
Speaker 6: right before that, you know I would get in trouble
Speaker 6: a lot still do. It's another story, but you know
Speaker 6: I would get in trouble. My mother saw a twenty
Speaker 6: twenty special and there was actually coincidentally a white male
Speaker 6: who had the tick of the N word. And what
Speaker 6: he did in that twenty journey special. First of my
Speaker 6: mother said, I think you have this. I said, no,
Speaker 6: I don't. Of course she was correct, but he would
Speaker 6: augment the word and go nickels, pennies and dimes, and
Speaker 6: so he was able to augment in a way that
Speaker 6: couldnot have that word come out. So when I got diagnosed,
Speaker 6: I actually did the same. And I hope I can
Speaker 6: say here, but one of my first loud ticks vocally
Speaker 6: was the word asshole, and I would say act. So
Speaker 6: people heard it they would think my tick was just
Speaker 6: the act, but it was actually a whole word that
Speaker 6: I would kind of just say the enquire when I
Speaker 6: say the in word, only a few people know I
Speaker 6: actually say the word either very quickly, very softly, or
Speaker 6: I try to get to a space where I'm by
Speaker 6: myself so I can do that. Now, I want to
Speaker 6: be careful because I don't want young people with tourets
Speaker 6: in school having principles tell them they can do stuff
Speaker 6: that they can't. So one, it's very individualized. You may
Speaker 6: not be able to do what I just said. You
Speaker 6: may need some behavioral therapy to be able to do
Speaker 6: what I said. There is a cost also for suppressing
Speaker 6: your tics. That cost can be mental, It can be
Speaker 6: physical because it is going to come out and when
Speaker 6: it comes out later, if you've held it in, it
Speaker 6: can be very harmful. So we have to think about
Speaker 6: that as well. That doesn't change the impact of the
Speaker 6: word nigga, like it just doesn't. And so you can't.
Speaker 6: What we have been trained to do is not hold
Speaker 6: two things in our space at the same time, and
Speaker 6: so both of those things can be true. And so
Speaker 6: it's about how do you mitigate the harm of hearing
Speaker 6: that word. And that's where I think there was a job. Now.
Speaker 6: John Davidson attempted suicide when he was younger because of
Speaker 6: things like this. He had to get psychiatric care. He's
Speaker 6: been beat up severely because of something like this, and
Speaker 6: so this is not something I'm sure he wants to do.
Speaker 6: There's also spaces where you can remove yourself, which he
Speaker 6: did to his credit. But also this was abafter was
Speaker 6: about a movie about his life about this very issue,
Speaker 6: and so there's a lot of complications there. So in
Speaker 6: my head and also speaking to a woman who was
Speaker 6: there with a bunch of black women who had that
Speaker 6: hurl at them, they had to do their own math
Speaker 6: to figure out what was going on. They shouldn't have
Speaker 6: had to do their own math. They should have been
Speaker 6: told what was going on and everybody should have an
Speaker 6: understanding of what was happening. And quite frankly, again the
Speaker 6: most control they had was after the thing, and they
Speaker 6: dropped the ball. And lastly, I'll say Justin Farmer, who
Speaker 6: I'm so honored he ran and won a seat in
Speaker 6: Connecticut inspired by me. He saw me and then thought
Speaker 6: that he can do it as well. That's just an
Speaker 6: amazing It gets me emotional, but that's just awesome. He's
Speaker 6: when he said about his sticks is he didn't have
Speaker 6: the luxuries of black man to be able to say
Speaker 6: certain things. So he had to be able to figure
Speaker 6: out a way how to get through life. And so
Speaker 6: there's so many intersections that are there. I just want
Speaker 6: to make sure that every single time those things happen,
Speaker 6: black folks don't have the brunt of having to deal
Speaker 6: with all of it. And so we have to create
Speaker 6: spaces where that home can be mitigated. And we tremendously
Speaker 6: dropped the ball. Whether it's bath to a BBC, I
Speaker 6: think that's where a lot of the outrage should go,
Speaker 6: because they didn't curate a space that was helpful to
Speaker 6: anyone involved.
Speaker 1: You know, the thing that's really frustrating too is as
Speaker 1: a result of bath does or really BBC's failure to
Speaker 1: even bleep out the word as you mentioned, which they
Speaker 1: did for Free Palestine and somebody's acceptance speech and some
Speaker 1: of the other choices they made, we were made aware
Speaker 1: and we can put up this headline of Google having
Speaker 1: a search result right after.
Speaker 5: The inWORD was used at BAFTA.
Speaker 1: Now they have a headline Google apologizes after news Alert
Speaker 1: used the inWORD, says it wasn't related to AI. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was related to, but it's not okay.
Speaker 1: And this is again goes to your point. We're responsible
Speaker 1: for carrying the full weight of this when the inWORD
Speaker 1: is used in a space like this. Now people began
Speaker 1: to justify their use of it. Well, I wasn't really
Speaker 1: saying it. I was reading this headline, I was reading
Speaker 1: this Google search result. I was trying to emulate what
Speaker 1: this man with Turett's had And I think the other thing.
Speaker 5: That I will acknowledge, I was initially.
Speaker 1: Really upset because I was frustrated by the apology.
Speaker 5: So the apology was we're sorry.
Speaker 1: There were some words used we're sorry if this offended you.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that John had gone on and called
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers to reach out to Michael Coogler and Delroy
Speaker 1: Lindo Lindo himself to apologize. But I thought that was
Speaker 1: really frustrating, because even the type of apology we receive
Speaker 1: on the other side of harm is watered down and meaningless.
Speaker 1: So I want to hold space for the condition, but
Speaker 1: I also want him to be responsible for the impact,
Speaker 1: as you just said, and I was glad to see
Speaker 1: that he did reach out to Warner Brothers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a fact. Initially, the part I heard, also,
Speaker 6: I think was that kind of if you were harmed.
Speaker 6: But when I saw the full apology, I think he
Speaker 6: did the best that he could at that moment in
Speaker 6: time to try to see if he can get to
Speaker 6: the harm. And he has unfortunately a lot of negative
Speaker 6: experience when it comes to this, beaten within the ench
Speaker 6: of his life, for other words, said to a woman
Speaker 6: who whose boyfriend didn't appreciate it. And so this is
Speaker 6: not the first time, which is why we have to
Speaker 6: be careful when we'retributing the spaces. But that Google apology,
Speaker 6: I don't know if that means much like an apology
Speaker 6: doesn't erase to harm. So you have to figure out
Speaker 6: how you best not a race to harm, but mitigate it.
Speaker 6: And I don't know that Google has done that every
Speaker 6: point in time with this whole thing. What has been
Speaker 6: dropped is trying to figure out how to mitigate the
Speaker 6: harm to black folks, to two star warts in the
Speaker 6: acting industry. We have to have poison grace under harm
Speaker 6: with no information. That's a problem, and that's the part
Speaker 6: where I think people should continue to be angry about,
Speaker 6: because this is not the first, second, third, and sadly
Speaker 6: won't be the last time where that happens unless we
Speaker 6: have intentionality. What I'm hoping at minimum is there's some
Speaker 6: education about to rest syndrome and to figure out, you know,
Speaker 6: how you have empathy both ways, because it cannot be
Speaker 6: just that I say the N word. That's it now
Speaker 6: that there has to be and everybody's responsible for, you know,
Speaker 6: the spaces we create. So it's about educating and it's
Speaker 6: about mitigating as much as possible. From what I heard,
Speaker 6: I think John did his best and try and do that.
Speaker 6: I think the folks around him did not, and that's a.
Speaker 7: Problem, advocate.
Speaker 2: I know we're coming up on time for you, but
Speaker 2: I'm curious how you respond when you see how would
Speaker 2: you respond? I've seen this a bit or the comments
Speaker 2: I say, well, how did the in word getting his
Speaker 2: vocabulary in the first place. He didn't choose this slur,
Speaker 2: he chose that one. And I know you can't speak
Speaker 2: for all forms of well, you're not the only one.
Speaker 2: I think every I think that's I think people have
Speaker 2: defaulted to that, like, well, this guy has got to
Speaker 2: have greater culpability than just it's a byproduct of a diagnosis.
Speaker 4: How do you.
Speaker 2: Respond to that? The choice words that are used that
Speaker 2: are offensive, So.
Speaker 6: I would just remove I would ask the same question
Speaker 6: the point, and I would have moved the word choice
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I might say, I am I meant to say
Speaker 2: choice whereas as in like derogatory.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's a good question, and John has to
Speaker 6: answer that, and I have to answer that those are
Speaker 6: real things. To answer. What I would say that what
Speaker 6: I want to get away from is the word is
Speaker 6: not intent. The harm is still real, but the word
Speaker 6: is not intent. These words are in our lexicon, whether
Speaker 6: we like it or not. It's in our subconscious, it's
Speaker 6: just there. What corporrela does is it makes it so
Speaker 6: that it's going to come out. That if I go
Speaker 6: to a library and it says be quiet, no whistling,
Speaker 6: my ticket is going to be whistling, is going to
Speaker 6: be making noise. And that's just the way the intrusive
Speaker 6: nature of to RESD syndrome works. And so that business
Speaker 6: his brain, whether you like it or not. Justin farmer
Speaker 6: who's taking women's studies courses starts ticking the B word.
Speaker 6: That's not something he wants to do in that space.
Speaker 6: But he mitigates the harm by having conversations, by talking,
Speaker 6: by stepping away when it's getting a little bit too much.
Speaker 6: And so the two things are true. At the same time.
Speaker 6: These words exist, we don't want them to exist, and
Speaker 6: they're stuff in your subconscious right now that is not
Speaker 6: going to come out. And when you have the red syndrome,
Speaker 6: it's a rap. And so the best we can do
Speaker 6: is mitigate some of that. And I'm just hoping people
Speaker 6: can understand that the word in and of itself, I
Speaker 6: don't notice man, So I don't know anything else, but
Speaker 6: I know that the word in and of itself is
Speaker 6: not the intent that we would usually assigned to it,
Speaker 6: and there's real harm that's going to come with it,
Speaker 6: and we can't ignore that and just say that's the
Speaker 6: end of the story.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank.
Speaker 5: You so much for being with us. We are so
Speaker 5: grateful to have you.
Speaker 4: Taught me a lot, my gous. I appreciate you. I
Speaker 4: appreciate you all.
Speaker 5: Thanks your money. We'll see you soon.
Speaker 4: Welcome Peak, Thank you, thank welcome home.
Speaker 5: That was that was good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you just because I know this brother
Speaker 1: and I trust him.
Speaker 5: He shifted me a little bit from where I was.
Speaker 1: At on our team call yesterday because I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I feel like you can put your hand over your mouth.
Speaker 5: You can do something.
Speaker 1: And it was even really refreshing to hear some of
Speaker 1: the things that he's done to actively work on mitigating
Speaker 1: these harms. Again, he said that everybody's condition isn't exactly
Speaker 1: the same, so maybe that wouldn't work for someone else,
Speaker 1: but I just appreciate the effort because some folks could
Speaker 1: have a condition and be so upset about being having
Speaker 1: a disability or a challenge that they are bitter with
Speaker 1: the world and are like, you just gonna get whatever
Speaker 1: I give, so resp yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mean the fact that he said what is
Speaker 2: absolutely true and it's hard to recognize again when you're
Speaker 2: under assault or you feel like you're under a soult
Speaker 2: and that is godly. If the recesses of my mind, uh,
Speaker 2: the worst recesses of my mind were to come out
Speaker 2: without my permission, I would be upset, terribly embarrassed, and
Speaker 2: a lot worse. Right, I think we should also be
Speaker 2: careful not to use our ignorance to enable further harm.
Speaker 2: And so for those of us who don't know, let's
Speaker 2: seek to find out. I remember doing the the the
Speaker 2: apex of the Blacks Black Lives Matter movement, A lot
Speaker 2: of us sort of adopted this language that is not
Speaker 2: my job to teach you, like you have to do
Speaker 2: some of the work. You have to do some of
Speaker 2: the work. Well, I think the same might apply in
Speaker 2: some instance. Is here that it is not necessarily the
Speaker 2: folks with the diagnosis who need to do the teaching
Speaker 2: in the same moment that they are afflicted in that
Speaker 2: it also is incumbent on us. But I just valued
Speaker 2: so much the realness of forgetting intent the word is
Speaker 2: still harmful and both harms have to be dealt with.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's where the British media really failed,
Speaker 2: big big, big big leie, is that they they a
Speaker 2: couple of times throughout the ceremony said you know, terretis
Speaker 2: da da da da da, but they never ever went
Speaker 2: to address the harm that the words still caught, like
Speaker 2: as if okay, well we're just going to take that
Speaker 2: in the that that that's it. No, you got a
Speaker 2: greater responsibility there, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's and I think that's the part too, Like I
Speaker 1: was so disturbed to realize that it wasn't like an
Speaker 1: actual live like with the fifteen second delay broadcast.
Speaker 5: It was a two hour delay.
Speaker 1: They made a and I think that that really is
Speaker 1: it just like normal normally, especially here on these shores. Oppression,
Speaker 1: systemic oppression, institutionalized racism and anti blackness is a thing global.
Speaker 1: It's a global issue and we have to continue to
Speaker 1: work through that. I think that also is the part
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that you know, people always want
Speaker 3: to teach a lesson on the backs of black people,
Speaker 3: and that's why, let me tell you something, this is
Speaker 3: the best activism and advocacy and awareness that I've ever
Speaker 3: seen for Tourett's and I do not mean that to
Speaker 3: be facetious in any kind of way, because when a
Speaker 3: black person is on the receiving end, you can bet
Speaker 3: your ass that the other side is gonna be like,
Speaker 3: oh wait a minute, Oh wait a second, let's let's
Speaker 3: let's talk about this. Why did this happen? Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: well maybe it wasn't what it looks. That's gonna happen
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the time. And I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to draw equivalency to like when cops kill black people
Speaker 3: or whatever, but it's always, well, let's see what happened
Speaker 3: before the There's always more evidence that has to be
Speaker 3: gathered before anybody deals with the harm that's done to
Speaker 3: black people. And I think that is what has generated
Speaker 3: so much anger, is that it is always us that
Speaker 3: is the guinea pig for how do we make people
Speaker 3: understand why this thing is happening over here? And I
Speaker 3: think that it is absolutely valid to understand treats. And
Speaker 3: I challenge black people, even in our anger, to, like
Speaker 3: I said in the main, to hold space for that
Speaker 3: and to not be ablest. And I know that that
Speaker 3: word was thrown out a lot, and as a person
Speaker 3: who has said that, we can't talk about racism solely
Speaker 3: under the lens of intent.
Speaker 7: We have to talk about impact. We have to talk
Speaker 7: about impact of.
Speaker 3: Being ablest as well, even if that's not your intent,
Speaker 3: even if you are unaware of certain things. We all
Speaker 3: have a responsibility in this situation, and so we have
Speaker 3: to challenge ourselves even as we're being challenged. But it
Speaker 3: seems that society at large only wants to recognize how
Speaker 3: we should be the ones challenging ourselves and how we respond,
Speaker 3: and not that anybody else should be challenging themselves to
Speaker 3: recognize the harm that was done.
Speaker 7: In my fear is that there will be backlash.
Speaker 3: Because if we're not, you know, take it on the chin,
Speaker 3: if we even hint at discomfort and delaware.
Speaker 7: Lindo and Michael b. Jordan have talked.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know so much Michael be Jordan if
Speaker 3: it's been public, but I did read reports that they
Speaker 3: were disappointed with how it was handled.
Speaker 7: Then they become the bad guys.
Speaker 3: Then the person who was harmed becomes the villain, and
Speaker 3: so there are so many layers to this. But what
Speaker 3: is unequivocal is that a choice was made to broadcast
Speaker 3: a humiliating moment. And I don't appreciate the idea that
Speaker 3: saying that that deserves an apology is saying, well, you
Speaker 3: wanted to apologize every time.
Speaker 7: It's not every time I get on them. Call one time.
Speaker 3: We're two black men, we're on stage at a word
Speaker 3: show and never called it, Edward. That's not an everyday current.
Speaker 3: And I and and people can drag me and try.
Speaker 3: I'm challenging myself. Tell me if that's ablest to say
Speaker 3: that a person should this one time at least apologize.
Speaker 3: And John Davidson himself, to his credit, you know, his
Speaker 3: first his first statement didn't sound like an apology and
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know, I will be mortified if
Speaker 3: you thought. And then maybe he's thought some more and
Speaker 3: reflected some more and he's come out and where he's
Speaker 3: privately reached out to apologize. But I think that trying
Speaker 3: to minimize what happened is not fair anymore than it's
Speaker 3: any more than it's unfair, or any more than you
Speaker 3: get what I'm saying. I don't think that that's fair
Speaker 3: to minimize him, just like it's unfair to say well,
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have even been in the room, or he
Speaker 3: shouldn't be able to do that. I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 3: That was a big moment for him as well. But
Speaker 3: we got to get to a point where we're not
Speaker 3: the only ones being challenged, We're not the only ones
Speaker 3: being admonished, and we're not the only ones being diminished.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: I just want to just think Jamie again, because I've
Speaker 4: always said that sometimes it's not the message, but it's
Speaker 4: the messenger. There are a lot of rooms that the
Speaker 4: four of us cannot walk in and deliver a message
Speaker 4: to help cure some of our societal ills. Though we
Speaker 4: may have the right message at heart, but Jimani coming
Speaker 4: into our space able to educate us from personal experience
Speaker 4: is what we mean by growth. Because I am someone
Speaker 4: who immediately immediately thought that one, how do you just
Speaker 4: get nigger in your head? Two? Why do you put
Speaker 4: somebody in the front who has the tendency to involuntarily
Speaker 4: blurt out nigga knowing that black folk are going to
Speaker 4: be on stage? And I recognize that both of those
Speaker 4: thoughts that I maintained in my head are rooted in
Speaker 4: ignorance because I simply did not know about tourettes or
Speaker 4: the type of tourettes this was. And so I think
Speaker 4: that the only way that I can cure my ignorance
Speaker 4: is by having people like Jimani continue to spread the
Speaker 4: good word. And I think that that's a life lesson
Speaker 4: in itself. And so I think you have to be
Speaker 4: self aware to know. Sometimes it's best to be quiet.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's best to shut up, particularly if you don't know.
Speaker 4: But it's also verally really good to have good people
Speaker 4: around you who can help educate you.
Speaker 1: I love y'all, Nickels, Pennies and dimes. I love y'all
Speaker 1: so much. All right, Regin, can I just say that's
Speaker 1: how you tell a family business?
Speaker 4: I was?
Speaker 3: Can I just say one more thing, though? I challenge,
Speaker 3: because I know Natal Lampard is about called actions, I
Speaker 3: challenge all the people who found this bullivanmpathy, which is justified,
Speaker 3: to have empathy for John Davidson and for its res
Speaker 3: I challenge you to have that same energy of empathy
Speaker 3: and let's accommodate, which again I'm not saying this facetiously.
Speaker 3: I challenge you to keep that energy towards other disabilities
Speaker 3: as well, because a lot of these people that were
Speaker 3: real quick to empathize and diminish the impact on Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan and dal Will Lindo, their president was up there
Speaker 3: at the State of the Union bragging about ending DEI.
Speaker 3: And you know what, the other part of DEI is
Speaker 3: DEI A, which is accessibility. And so when this education
Speaker 3: department wants to get rid of learning accommodations for students,
Speaker 3: when this president wants to get rid of accessibility accommodations,
Speaker 3: that is another.
Speaker 7: Thing that goes again, that's ablest.
Speaker 3: And so part of I think to the frustration that
Speaker 3: we had in our reactions is seeing people who don't
Speaker 3: have any kind of a commody nation, any kind of
Speaker 3: empathy for our disabilities at large, all of a sudden
Speaker 3: become disability champions. So I welcome all of the disability
Speaker 3: champions that now that the N word has been hurled accidentally.
Speaker 3: I'm not arguing that accidentally. I welcome all these newfound
Speaker 3: disability champions to then champion disabilities in the d E
Speaker 3: I A part of d.
Speaker 4: E I listen. And I also think that the fact
Speaker 4: that Michael B. Jordan is still walking around in shame
Speaker 4: at the Bakari and his name.
Speaker 5: Oh my God, can we crack this out? You cannot
Speaker 5: be disupsessed. You gotta stop. God, Dog, I'm.
Speaker 4: I love You'll welcome home next time.
Speaker 5: Starcissism my God.
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