WEBVTT - The N-Word at BAFTA | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.280 Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:04.720 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.600 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.880 Uh yeah, and I are delighted to be presenting the 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.200 first BAFT of the night for a vital part of 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.000 movie making. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:20.880 We're here to some. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.840 So uh we are beginning our mini pod today. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.960 After watching the BAFT Awards last week, we saw where 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.800 a gentleman with Tourette syndrome yelled out nigger is the 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.680 word that he yelled out while del Roy Lindo and 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:40.120 Michael B. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.360 Jordan were on presenting. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.080 And what we wanted to do was ensure that we 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:49.239 didn't have this conversation in isolation, in a vacuum, and 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.080 so we wanted to bring on our friend New York 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.960 Public Advocate Jimani Williams, who is the only elected at 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.120 the time he was elected, the only elected official in 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.000 the country Tourette syndrome, and he's talked about this online, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.399 but we also wanted to make sure that we bring 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.600 his thoughts to you. He told us he hadn't watched 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.959 the video, so he just showed him the video and 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.679 I'd love to get your initial reaction to that. Jimiani 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.319 also happy Black History month, So it sucks to be 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.360 called the N word Black History Month, but I do 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:18.119 want to hear your. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.039 Thoughts, appreciate you Happy American History Month with the black 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:26.760 lands on it like it's a painful situation all the 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.240 way around. As you mentioned, I happened. You know, I've 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.080 been black a pretty long time. I've had to rest 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.120 syndrome for a long time, diagnosed in the ninth grade, 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.800 So the intersection there is interesting. I also have corpulia, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.480 so and actually one of my tics is the N word. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.880 Many people who may not know they're augmented, which we 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.800 can also talk about for a while. And what's frustrating 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.840 is I noticed a lot of anger and outrage, which 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.000 there should be. What I've been trying to do with 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.640 my post is make sure we put the anger in 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.680 the right spaces and the empathy in the right spaces, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.040 and empathy has to go both ways. What was frustrating 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.560 to me is that black folks always seem to be 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.800 the ones that have to have the brunt of showing 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.560 grace and showing empathy. And there's a lot of things 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.200 that could have been done to make sure that people 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.320 weren't as harm as they were, and so it's important 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.080 for folks to understand that, you know, thered syndrome is intrusive. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.799 It has intrusive sounds, It has intrusive thoughts, vocal sounds. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.200 I have a tick on my shoulder. I actually will 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.000 tick where my body hurts the most, which is really painful. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.480 So imagine that is not something I want to do. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:33.960 So what happens is not about the lack of a 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:40.520 filter corporrella is about the most socially unacceptable words that 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.240 you're going to have a loss of control over. But 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.680 one thing that could have been done was more education 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.320 about what was going on before and after and very 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.240 simply after. And BBC could have censored it like they 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.120 centered Free Palestine. They censored some other words that you 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.920 didn't hear because there were square words. Why they didn't 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.400 censor those, I don't know. So what could have been 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.320 turned into a moment to teach people about to red 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.480 syndrome turned into a moment where everyone was harmed, including 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.040 the black folks and Daryl Lindo and Michael because and 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.680 shout out to them, they've dealt with Black people unfortunately 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.639 are forced to do, which is show poison grace in 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.800 situations where they're feeling harmed. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.600 Can you and thank you for just telling your truth 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.679 to us and helping us understand because I come from 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.400 this place of just sheer ignorance. I mean, this is 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.320 kind of a new This is new for me, and 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.120 so I hope that I know that you will, but 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.360 I hope that others give me the grace of learning 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.040 about tourets as we go. REESI talked about creating space 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.920 for having empathy. What are some of the other things 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.560 you want our listeners to know. You talk about the 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.560 involuntary tics, You talk about the words that are used, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:04:00.320 but how is it treated? What happens? Is it a 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.680 speech there? Like tell me what happens when you're diagnosed 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.040 and what happens after that some of the things that 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.520 individuals with Tourett's go through. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.080 So interestingly, I was diagnosed in the ninth grade, and 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.760 right before that, you know I would get in trouble 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.840 a lot still do. It's another story, but you know 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.119 I would get in trouble. My mother saw a twenty 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.640 twenty special and there was actually coincidentally a white male 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.880 who had the tick of the N word. And what 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.960 he did in that twenty journey special. First of my 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.839 mother said, I think you have this. I said, no, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.480 I don't. Of course she was correct, but he would 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.880 augment the word and go nickels, pennies and dimes, and 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.200 so he was able to augment in a way that 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.520 couldnot have that word come out. So when I got diagnosed, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.640 I actually did the same. And I hope I can 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.040 say here, but one of my first loud ticks vocally 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.000 was the word asshole, and I would say act. So 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.919 people heard it they would think my tick was just 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.120 the act, but it was actually a whole word that 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.160 I would kind of just say the enquire when I 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.680 say the in word, only a few people know I 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.040 actually say the word either very quickly, very softly, or 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.479 I try to get to a space where I'm by 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.400 myself so I can do that. Now, I want to 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.960 be careful because I don't want young people with tourets 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.560 in school having principles tell them they can do stuff 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.880 that they can't. So one, it's very individualized. You may 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.880 not be able to do what I just said. You 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.760 may need some behavioral therapy to be able to do 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.520 what I said. There is a cost also for suppressing 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.640 your tics. That cost can be mental, It can be 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.080 physical because it is going to come out and when 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.120 it comes out later, if you've held it in, it 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.120 can be very harmful. So we have to think about 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.080 that as well. That doesn't change the impact of the 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.840 word nigga, like it just doesn't. And so you can't. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.119 What we have been trained to do is not hold 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.240 two things in our space at the same time, and 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.039 so both of those things can be true. And so 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.960 it's about how do you mitigate the harm of hearing 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.840 that word. And that's where I think there was a job. Now. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.159 John Davidson attempted suicide when he was younger because of 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.080 things like this. He had to get psychiatric care. He's 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.159 been beat up severely because of something like this, and 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.640 so this is not something I'm sure he wants to do. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.680 There's also spaces where you can remove yourself, which he 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.159 did to his credit. But also this was abafter was 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.960 about a movie about his life about this very issue, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.120 and so there's a lot of complications there. So in 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.640 my head and also speaking to a woman who was 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.599 there with a bunch of black women who had that 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.919 hurl at them, they had to do their own math 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.880 to figure out what was going on. They shouldn't have 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.080 had to do their own math. They should have been 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.240 told what was going on and everybody should have an 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.240 understanding of what was happening. And quite frankly, again the 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.320 most control they had was after the thing, and they 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.200 dropped the ball. And lastly, I'll say Justin Farmer, who 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.960 I'm so honored he ran and won a seat in 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.400 Connecticut inspired by me. He saw me and then thought 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:57.760 that he can do it as well. That's just an 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.760 amazing It gets me emotional, but that's just awesome. He's 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.560 when he said about his sticks is he didn't have 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.680 the luxuries of black man to be able to say 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.520 certain things. So he had to be able to figure 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.640 out a way how to get through life. And so 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.560 there's so many intersections that are there. I just want 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.320 to make sure that every single time those things happen, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.040 black folks don't have the brunt of having to deal 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.760 with all of it. And so we have to create 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.880 spaces where that home can be mitigated. And we tremendously 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.560 dropped the ball. Whether it's bath to a BBC, I 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.640 think that's where a lot of the outrage should go, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.760 because they didn't curate a space that was helpful to 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:34.880 anyone involved. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:40.360 You know, the thing that's really frustrating too is as 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.200 a result of bath does or really BBC's failure to 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.360 even bleep out the word as you mentioned, which they 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.840 did for Free Palestine and somebody's acceptance speech and some 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.080 of the other choices they made, we were made aware 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.360 and we can put up this headline of Google having 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.320 a search result right after. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.760 The inWORD was used at BAFTA. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:11.280 Now they have a headline Google apologizes after news Alert 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.280 used the inWORD, says it wasn't related to AI. I 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.440 don't know what it was related to, but it's not okay. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.520 And this is again goes to your point. We're responsible 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.080 for carrying the full weight of this when the inWORD 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.240 is used in a space like this. Now people began 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.560 to justify their use of it. Well, I wasn't really 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.000 saying it. I was reading this headline, I was reading 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.600 this Google search result. I was trying to emulate what 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.840 this man with Turett's had And I think the other thing. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.599 That I will acknowledge, I was initially. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.559 Really upset because I was frustrated by the apology. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.480 So the apology was we're sorry. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.640 There were some words used we're sorry if this offended you. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.640 I didn't realize that John had gone on and called 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.400 Warner Brothers to reach out to Michael Coogler and Delroy 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.680 Lindo Lindo himself to apologize. But I thought that was 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.800 really frustrating, because even the type of apology we receive 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.160 on the other side of harm is watered down and meaningless. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.120 So I want to hold space for the condition, but 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.040 I also want him to be responsible for the impact, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.160 as you just said, and I was glad to see 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.880 that he did reach out to Warner Brothers. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.200 Yeah, I think that's a fact. Initially, the part I heard, also, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.880 I think was that kind of if you were harmed. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.440 But when I saw the full apology, I think he 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.320 did the best that he could at that moment in 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.200 time to try to see if he can get to 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.120 the harm. And he has unfortunately a lot of negative 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.080 experience when it comes to this, beaten within the ench 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.440 of his life, for other words, said to a woman 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.800 who whose boyfriend didn't appreciate it. And so this is 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.360 not the first time, which is why we have to 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.640 be careful when we'retributing the spaces. But that Google apology, 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.239 I don't know if that means much like an apology 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.839 doesn't erase to harm. So you have to figure out 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.920 how you best not a race to harm, but mitigate it. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.520 And I don't know that Google has done that every 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.679 point in time with this whole thing. What has been 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.600 dropped is trying to figure out how to mitigate the 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.880 harm to black folks, to two star warts in the 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.880 acting industry. We have to have poison grace under harm 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.880 with no information. That's a problem, and that's the part 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.400 where I think people should continue to be angry about, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.840 because this is not the first, second, third, and sadly 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.360 won't be the last time where that happens unless we 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:32.839 have intentionality. What I'm hoping at minimum is there's some 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.400 education about to rest syndrome and to figure out, you know, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.560 how you have empathy both ways, because it cannot be 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.360 just that I say the N word. That's it now 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.680 that there has to be and everybody's responsible for, you know, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.360 the spaces we create. So it's about educating and it's 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.360 about mitigating as much as possible. From what I heard, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.480 I think John did his best and try and do that. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.679 I think the folks around him did not, and that's a. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.960 Problem, advocate. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.440 I know we're coming up on time for you, but 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.800 I'm curious how you respond when you see how would 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.360 you respond? I've seen this a bit or the comments 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.920 I say, well, how did the in word getting his 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.200 vocabulary in the first place. He didn't choose this slur, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.360 he chose that one. And I know you can't speak 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.760 for all forms of well, you're not the only one. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.200 I think every I think that's I think people have 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.839 defaulted to that, like, well, this guy has got to 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:30.479 have greater culpability than just it's a byproduct of a diagnosis. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:31.280 How do you. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.040 Respond to that? The choice words that are used that 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.400 are offensive, So. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.200 I would just remove I would ask the same question 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.960 the point, and I would have moved the word choice 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:40.439 a little bit. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.800 But I might say, I am I meant to say 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.400 choice whereas as in like derogatory. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.760 Yeah, but that's a good question, and John has to 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.480 answer that, and I have to answer that those are 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.440 real things. To answer. What I would say that what 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.760 I want to get away from is the word is 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.920 not intent. The harm is still real, but the word 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.080 is not intent. These words are in our lexicon, whether 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.319 we like it or not. It's in our subconscious, it's 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.840 just there. What corporrela does is it makes it so 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.000 that it's going to come out. That if I go 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.560 to a library and it says be quiet, no whistling, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.600 my ticket is going to be whistling, is going to 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.360 be making noise. And that's just the way the intrusive 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.680 nature of to RESD syndrome works. And so that business 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.600 his brain, whether you like it or not. Justin farmer 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.839 who's taking women's studies courses starts ticking the B word. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.480 That's not something he wants to do in that space. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.640 But he mitigates the harm by having conversations, by talking, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.440 by stepping away when it's getting a little bit too much. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.760 And so the two things are true. At the same time. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.280 These words exist, we don't want them to exist, and 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.400 they're stuff in your subconscious right now that is not 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.720 going to come out. And when you have the red syndrome, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.880 it's a rap. And so the best we can do 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.200 is mitigate some of that. And I'm just hoping people 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.800 can understand that the word in and of itself, I 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.480 don't notice man, So I don't know anything else, but 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.880 I know that the word in and of itself is 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.400 not the intent that we would usually assigned to it, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.520 and there's real harm that's going to come with it, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.400 and we can't ignore that and just say that's the 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:08.120 end of the story. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:09.920 I appreciate that. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.319 Thank you, thank you, thank. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.800 You so much for being with us. We are so 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.360 grateful to have you. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.640 Taught me a lot, my gous. I appreciate you. I 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:17.400 appreciate you all. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.160 Thanks your money. We'll see you soon. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.960 Welcome Peak, Thank you, thank welcome home. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:24.520 That was that was good. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.200 I'm gonna tell you just because I know this brother 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:27.960 and I trust him. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.640 He shifted me a little bit from where I was. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.680 At on our team call yesterday because I was like, listen, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.920 I feel like you can put your hand over your mouth. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:37.840 You can do something. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.200 And it was even really refreshing to hear some of 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.040 the things that he's done to actively work on mitigating 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.600 these harms. Again, he said that everybody's condition isn't exactly 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.800 the same, so maybe that wouldn't work for someone else, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.480 but I just appreciate the effort because some folks could 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.480 have a condition and be so upset about being having 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.160 a disability or a challenge that they are bitter with 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.880 the world and are like, you just gonna get whatever 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.760 I give, so resp yes. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.360 Yeah, yeah, mean the fact that he said what is 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.679 absolutely true and it's hard to recognize again when you're 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.959 under assault or you feel like you're under a soult 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.240 and that is godly. If the recesses of my mind, uh, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.000 the worst recesses of my mind were to come out 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:24.840 without my permission, I would be upset, terribly embarrassed, and 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.480 a lot worse. Right, I think we should also be 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:34.640 careful not to use our ignorance to enable further harm. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.080 And so for those of us who don't know, let's 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.000 seek to find out. I remember doing the the the 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.600 apex of the Blacks Black Lives Matter movement, A lot 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.440 of us sort of adopted this language that is not 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.600 my job to teach you, like you have to do 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.720 some of the work. You have to do some of 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.200 the work. Well, I think the same might apply in 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:04.120 some instance. Is here that it is not necessarily the 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.800 folks with the diagnosis who need to do the teaching 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.760 in the same moment that they are afflicted in that 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.760 it also is incumbent on us. But I just valued 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:20.280 so much the realness of forgetting intent the word is 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:25.480 still harmful and both harms have to be dealt with. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.400 And I think that that's where the British media really failed, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.240 big big, big big leie, is that they they a 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.520 couple of times throughout the ceremony said you know, terretis 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.720 da da da da da, but they never ever went 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.400 to address the harm that the words still caught, like 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.280 as if okay, well we're just going to take that 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.400 in the that that that's it. No, you got a 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:47.920 greater responsibility there, that's it. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.480 That's and I think that's the part too, Like I 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.400 was so disturbed to realize that it wasn't like an 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.360 actual live like with the fifteen second delay broadcast. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.600 It was a two hour delay. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.680 They made a and I think that that really is 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.720 it just like normal normally, especially here on these shores. Oppression, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:12.240 systemic oppression, institutionalized racism and anti blackness is a thing global. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.240 It's a global issue and we have to continue to 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.680 work through that. I think that also is the part 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:17.920 for me. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.840 Yeah, and I think that you know, people always want 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.200 to teach a lesson on the backs of black people, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.880 and that's why, let me tell you something, this is 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.360 the best activism and advocacy and awareness that I've ever 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.680 seen for Tourett's and I do not mean that to 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.400 be facetious in any kind of way, because when a 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.120 black person is on the receiving end, you can bet 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.320 your ass that the other side is gonna be like, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.040 oh wait a minute, Oh wait a second, let's let's 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.080 let's talk about this. Why did this happen? Yeah, well, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.640 well maybe it wasn't what it looks. That's gonna happen 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.120 one hundred percent of the time. And I'm not trying 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.240 to draw equivalency to like when cops kill black people 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.480 or whatever, but it's always, well, let's see what happened 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.160 before the There's always more evidence that has to be 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:06.199 gathered before anybody deals with the harm that's done to 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.080 black people. And I think that is what has generated 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.520 so much anger, is that it is always us that 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.159 is the guinea pig for how do we make people 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.680 understand why this thing is happening over here? And I 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.359 think that it is absolutely valid to understand treats. And 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.359 I challenge black people, even in our anger, to, like 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.520 I said in the main, to hold space for that 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.080 and to not be ablest. And I know that that 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.280 word was thrown out a lot, and as a person 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.720 who has said that, we can't talk about racism solely 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:40.720 under the lens of intent. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.600 We have to talk about impact. We have to talk 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:43.520 about impact of. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.119 Being ablest as well, even if that's not your intent, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.639 even if you are unaware of certain things. We all 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.439 have a responsibility in this situation, and so we have 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.560 to challenge ourselves even as we're being challenged. But it 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.760 seems that society at large only wants to recognize how 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.080 we should be the ones challenging ourselves and how we respond, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.359 and not that anybody else should be challenging themselves to 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.280 recognize the harm that was done. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.719 In my fear is that there will be backlash. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.720 Because if we're not, you know, take it on the chin, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.440 if we even hint at discomfort and delaware. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.120 Lindo and Michael b. Jordan have talked. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:23.840 Well, I don't know so much Michael be Jordan if 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.560 it's been public, but I did read reports that they 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.040 were disappointed with how it was handled. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.920 Then they become the bad guys. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.280 Then the person who was harmed becomes the villain, and 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.720 so there are so many layers to this. But what 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.520 is unequivocal is that a choice was made to broadcast 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.160 a humiliating moment. And I don't appreciate the idea that 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.119 saying that that deserves an apology is saying, well, you 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:51.760 wanted to apologize every time. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.160 It's not every time I get on them. Call one time. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.800 We're two black men, we're on stage at a word 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.960 show and never called it, Edward. That's not an everyday current. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.040 And I and and people can drag me and try. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.720 I'm challenging myself. Tell me if that's ablest to say 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.040 that a person should this one time at least apologize. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.080 And John Davidson himself, to his credit, you know, his 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.440 first his first statement didn't sound like an apology and 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.639 was like, oh, you know, I will be mortified if 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.919 you thought. And then maybe he's thought some more and 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.880 reflected some more and he's come out and where he's 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.760 privately reached out to apologize. But I think that trying 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.400 to minimize what happened is not fair anymore than it's 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.160 any more than it's unfair, or any more than you 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.040 get what I'm saying. I don't think that that's fair 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.760 to minimize him, just like it's unfair to say well, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.359 he shouldn't have even been in the room, or he 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.040 shouldn't be able to do that. I don't think that's fair. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.760 That was a big moment for him as well. But 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.119 we got to get to a point where we're not 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.320 the only ones being challenged, We're not the only ones 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.600