1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Catty arm. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Strong, and Getty and he I'm strong and Getty strong. 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 3: And I vaccinated all my kids. I believe vaccines are 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 3: one of the modern miracles. Beyond all Pale. 6 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 4: The Speckled Monster is a great book about the introduction 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 4: of the smallpox vaccine in seventeen twenty into our country. 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 4: All miracles, but I'm not a one size fits all. 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 4: It's not all or nothing. I chose to wait on 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 4: my Hepatitis B vaccine and we did it when they 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 4: went to schools. That made me an awful person? Does 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: that make me an anti vaxxer? Because I questioned the 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: government dictator of whether I do it? 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: And I'm not speaking for anybody else. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: I'm only speaking for myself, but for let's have an 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 4: honest debate about these things. 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: Senator Ran Paula Kentucky, who's an ophthalmologist, he's actual medical professional, 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: weighing in at the RFK Junior hearing yesterday, and you heard. 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 5: The main point of his screed there at the end, 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 5: and you'll hear it more. The idea that can we 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 5: stop insisting we must all be of lockstep on some 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 5: of these difficult questions. We have to have an atmosphere 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 5: of honest debate. And he's absolutely right. Anything else to 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 5: add or shall we plunge on, Let's hit it. 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Biden's FAA exceeded its goal and follow year. 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 5: Hello, Michael, the COVID vaccine. Pay attention. 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: If you ask me my opinion. 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: The reporters are uping down the hall and they say 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 4: you still anti vaccine. No, I'm pro vaccine, but on 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: the COVID vaccine and on the COVID illness there was 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: a thousandfold or more difference between the elderly and children. 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: If you don't acknowledge that your commit malpractice. 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: You're showing your ignorance. 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: If you say a six month old must be mandated 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: to get it. 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: The science is not there. 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 4: So all this blather about the science says this, and 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: the science says that, no, it doesn't. The science actually 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: shows it. No healthy child in America died from COVID. 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: Look it up. No healthy child died from COVID. 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: An amazing stat given the fact that we had yellow 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: caution tape around playground structures and little kids wearing masks. 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: Good lord, we haven't even talked about that part of it. 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: So this was a school being closed and the parts 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: being closed on, all this sort of stuff. Poor little 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: kids running around with masks on, can't see you know, 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: the other kids' faces or whatever for no reason. 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 5: Right, even when that became clear because of Trump derangement syndrome, 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 5: absolutely unforgivable. 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Rand Paul rolls on. 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: So if you ask me my advice as a physician, 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: if you were sixty five or older, or overweight and 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: some other conditions, I would. 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: Have said, hell, yes, I'd take the COVID vaccine. 55 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: The risks of the disease were real and much greater 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: than the vaccine. But if you ask me, should my 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: healthy six month old get it? See, these are the 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: nuances you're unwilling to talk about because there's such a 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 4: belief in submission. Submit to the government to what you're told. 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: There is no discussion. There ought to be a debate. 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: You're not going to let him have the debate because 62 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: you're just going to criticize and say it is this 63 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: and admit to it, or we're not going to appoint you. 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: But it's more complicated than that, and this is why 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 4: people distrust government because you're unwilling to have these conversations. 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: And I go home, ask your Democrat young mothers, your 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: Republican young mothers, if they're vaccinating their kid for appetitis 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: being They're like, well, do I have to do it 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: on day one? Is this precious little baby? Is there 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: science to say you shouldn't do it? 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: Probably not, But it's my kid. 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: You know. 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: It's like, there isn't clear cut science saying not to. 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: I need to start saying nuances instead of a nuance. 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 5: Please don't, please don't do that. He pointed out earlier 76 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 5: in his screen. I guess it was edited out that 77 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 5: hepatitis B is generally spread through drug use of needle drugs, 78 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 5: and sexual You're making. 79 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: An assumption that my six month old is not a 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: smack addict having unprotected sex with randos. The idea that 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: a one day old kid needs that vaccine, then it's 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm wrong about this, I will manfully 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: announce it and apologize. But I suspect very very strongly 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: that the idea is we will get much higher compliance 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: if we have the HEV vaccine. Part of the battery 86 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: of things that you give the kid in the hospital 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: while the kid is there. And you know, if we 88 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: let people wait until it's actually necessary, we'll get lower 89 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: compliance and more people will get sick and hurt and 90 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: die and the rest of it. Again, maybe it's sort 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: of kind of well meaning, but I think we're all 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: sick of that sort of paternalism and dishonesty to get 93 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: us to comply rolling along. 94 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: But on autism, there's no good science of anything to 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: show what causes autism. 96 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: We don't know. It's a profound disease. 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: I know many moms here and dads who have kids 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: that aufics. I know them personally, I've met their kids. 99 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: But the thing is is they saw their kids developing 100 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: completely normal, maybe speaking one hundred words go to no 101 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: words at about fifteen months of age. 102 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Now, there isn't proof. There isn't proof that the vaccines 103 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: caused it. That's true. There isn't proof that it calls it. 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: But we don't know what causes it yet. 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: So shouldn't we be at least open minded We take 106 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: seventy two vaccines. 107 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: Could it be? 108 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: I don't know, But we shouldn't just close the door 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: and say we're no longer because we believe so much 110 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: in submission, we're not going to have an open mind 111 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: to study these things, and so it's sort of this 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 4: crazy notion. 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 5: I have found no compelling evidence that indeed autism is 114 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 5: caused by inoculations vaccines, on the other hand, is ran 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 5: Paul makes clear again that's yet another example of if 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 5: we even have an honest debate and look at this 117 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 5: and have some more studies and all in an open way, 118 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 5: we will have lower compliance rates. It's all about compliance, 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 5: and again with a few exceptions. Maybe I think complying 120 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 5: with a lot of the vaccine policies is a really, 121 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 5: really good idea. But the days of being able to 122 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 5: just shout to the sheeople what they have to do 123 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: and they'll all line up and do it, even though 124 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: you're presenting it dishonestly, I just there's so much information 125 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 5: out there they can't get away with it anymore. 126 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: Are there seventy two that your kid has to get 127 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: to go to school? 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: Now, I've seen that repeatedly. I don't know that that's true. 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: If it's half that many, that's a lot total doses. Perhaps, yeah, 130 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: and I'm including boosters. You know, I'm so cynical about government. 131 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: It's just particularly pre COVID, we paid so little attention 132 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: to this. Why would I believe that somebody somewhere doesn't think, hey, 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: you know what, you get this on the mandated list, 134 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: that's worth five billion dollars. How do we get that 135 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: through whatever committee to get you know, and one more 136 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: when there's already one or thirty six or whatever shots 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: adding one more that nobody's paying any attention to. You 138 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: just take your kid to the doctor and they hey, 139 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: you need this group of injections to go to first grade, 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: and everybody just says, okay. There's so much money involved, 141 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that there's zero malfeasan's 142 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: going on. Yeah, there's a. 143 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 5: Very very little profit in vaccines, but times a billion, yeah, 144 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 5: maybe it becomes significant. 145 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: The you know, the. 146 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 5: Aspect of it that that I think is likely. Well, 147 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 5: I don't have any proof this is happening, but the 148 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 5: government and its mandates, particularly in the wake of COVID, 149 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 5: I think deserve whatever is the opposite of the benefit 150 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 5: of the doubt. If somebody came to me and showed 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 5: me the secret memo that said, look, if we get 152 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 5: ninety eight percent compliance with this vaccine. We will prevent 153 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 5: ten thousand deaths a year. It's going to result in 154 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 5: about a thousand kids getting being autistic, but as a 155 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 5: net gain, it's it's a good So we're just gonna 156 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 5: be quiet about the autism stuff. And I don't actually 157 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 5: believe that's happening. But if you do because of what 158 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: you've observed from the government, I can't call you crazy. 159 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: Right, there's no possible way they know what the long 160 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: term effect of the combination of some of these vaccines 161 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: are because they haven't been around long enough. Right. 162 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 5: More of the Randyman schizophrenia. 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: I would put in the same notion. 164 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: You have a kid who's completely normal to eighteen or 165 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: nineteen and their brain goes heywire. 166 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: How does that happen? It's the most bizarre disease. 167 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: Shouldn't we be. 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: Open Could it be our food? It might be vaccines, 169 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: it might be our food. But autism is more common. 170 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: I don't know about the schizophrenia statistics, but autisms more common. 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: Should we want to be open minded? Instead? 172 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 4: We're so close minded and we're so consensus driven that 173 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: the science says this, Well, science doesn't say anything. Science 174 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: is a dispute and ten years from now. 175 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: We could all be wrong. 176 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: Roll on, Curly, roll on. 177 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: Twenty years ago, they did this enormous study and they 178 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 4: said everybody over fifty should take an aspirin. 179 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: I thought, well, it's a pretty good idea, it makes sense. 180 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: But you know what, twenty years later they measured it 181 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: and they found if you had no heart disease and 182 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 4: you were taking aspen, your chance of dying from a 183 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: brain bleed or from a stomach bleed were greater than 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: the risk of heart disease. You have heart disease, they 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 4: still say take an aspirin if you don't have changed 186 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: your mind twenty years later. But would you have all 187 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: said I was crazy and I should no longer be 188 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: in public discourse if I had said twenty years ago, 189 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 4: I don't feel like taking an aspir I ride my 190 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 4: bike all the time. 191 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: I'm afraid it might hit my head. 192 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: But that's what countries about, is what decent is about. 193 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: That's a good example. Yeah, yeah, it is one final clip. 194 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: So just to ask you to look at the larger 195 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: picture and give the guy break who says I just 196 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 4: want to follow the science where it leads without presupposition. 197 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 4: I think, really, what we have up here is presupposition. 198 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 4: You've already concluded it's absolute that autism isn't caused by it. 199 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 4: We don't know what causes autism, so we should be 200 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: more humble in what we say. 201 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't get to a question. 202 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 5: That doesn't make me say therefore, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 203 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: But you can't deny that we are openly having some 204 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 5: of these conversations thanks to our FK. 205 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 2: Junior and his advocacy. 206 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 5: He's got some really troubling conflicts of interest, and he's 207 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 5: half a con man if you ask me. 208 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: But still Da Da knows how to turn lemons into lemonade. 209 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: You find a dead bear, what do you do? You 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: just leave it there? You bury it? No, you come 211 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: up with a hilarious prank. 212 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 5: Not to mention the underrated, Bring in a whales head 213 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 5: home chain, sawing it off the whale and then strapping 214 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 5: it to the roof of your car as its juice 215 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: is dripped down the window. 216 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 3: Barbaric. 217 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Okay, we got on a topic earlier we need to 218 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: fix when we come back. As we finished strong with 219 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: the UH is flatulent speech. I vote no. I don't 220 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: think it has First Amendment protections. 221 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 5: It is unmistakably speech in this instance, and I believe 222 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 5: that Thomas Jefferson would agree with me, certainly Ben Franklin, 223 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 5: who was a big fan of Flatulen. 224 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Armstrong and Getty Show, arm Strong 225 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: and Getty Show, Katie. 226 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: I want you your assessment of this. Also, this is 227 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: a next door post. I don't read next door very often, 228 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: but I don't know. If you're on next door, you 229 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: get him in your email and like, if the first 230 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: eight words grab your attention, I will vote in the 231 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: next door thing and read double. I mean, if it's 232 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: just I lost my kitten, I don't read it, but 233 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: this one got my attention. I'm general, I'm genuinely sorry. 234 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: If anyone here's crying and strained yelling from my apartment, 235 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: well that was enough for me to click on it. 236 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 5: Oh wit a minute, crying and strained yelling. 237 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: No one is in danger or anything. I'm just in 238 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: an unbelievable amount of physical and emotional pain from a 239 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: combination of expected factors. I need to get through this 240 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: on my own terms. Okay, now hang with this. You're 241 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: probably like me because my initial feeling was this is 242 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: a crack pop then I thought, oh my gosh, this 243 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: is a tragic story. Somebody the physical pain thing. I 244 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: just let's keep going concerned. Okay, all right. The muscles 245 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: in my chest are atrophying from medication, spasming like a 246 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: like a painful hiccup, and my support at home is 247 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: currently singing in Napa. My supported home is singing in Napa. 248 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: But anyway, again, I'm starting to feel, man, this is horrible. 249 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm just being real with y'all. Retranshealth. Okay, now we're 250 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: taking a turn. Oh wait a minute. It's not supposed 251 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: to be this difficult. People are meant to have family 252 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: and community connections to help, but I don't. I implore 253 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: everyone take my situation as cautionary. There is more pain 254 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: caused by taking away access to healthcare or kicking out 255 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: your relatives than there is in being open to unfamiliar 256 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: but long standing ideas about the human brain and physiological development. Honestly, 257 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: and creed or what. Honestly, I invite you to do 258 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: some primal screams with me, or we're all going to 259 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: need the catharsis if the political situation stays on this 260 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: globally destructive trajectory. Thank you so I took that as 261 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: they're doing some sort of transition stuff and like didn't 262 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: have the money for the follow through or all the medication, 263 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: or they're doing it on their own, or they're doing 264 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: something with their breast area retrans transitioning and it's really painful, 265 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: and everybody has called them a nut job and left. 266 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 5: That's what it sounds like to me. Now for me, 267 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 5: and then Katie, I'll get out of your way. Now 268 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: for me, please rope in somehow that last sentence about 269 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: the globally destructive trajectory. Now that factors into his newly 270 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 5: or her what's newly removed Hooters or whatever, yeah, or 271 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: recently added one of each. 272 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. All I got is there was a 273 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: lot there. That's a lot. There was a lot going 274 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: on with that. 275 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 6: And again this person, I'm sorry they're going through it, 276 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 6: but they went. The thing that is going to help 277 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 6: me right now is to put this on next door. 278 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Right. 279 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: Well, there's that as well. Man, I'm running some sort 280 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: of a mental health place. I'm calling out the swap 281 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: team for this one. Yeah, so we're gonna need like 282 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 5: half a dozen experts. 283 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: Well, as Joe pointed out there then throwing in at 284 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: the end that somehow, if Trump weren't president, I wouldn't 285 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: be screaming in my apartment. Everything would be fine. I 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: don't know what would be different. 287 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 5: The human need for escapegoat, I think is underappreciated. Have 288 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 5: the great philosophers weighed in on this? The mom the 289 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: muscles in. 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: My chest are atrophying from medication, spasming like a painful hiccup. 291 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: So you think it's somebody getting rid of breasts. I 292 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. 293 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: I can't I can't sound likely answer any questions about this. 294 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kittie, that sounds to me like it's written by 295 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: a woman. I'm thinking. 296 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm a trauma queene guy. 297 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: I've known a few. 298 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the first he's on the girl hormones as 299 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 5: a way of making you crazy. You know, if FA's 300 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 5: to anybody, the first sentence is, I'm genuinely sorry if 301 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 5: anyone hears crying and strained yelling from my apartment. 302 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's better unstrained yelling, certainly. Wow, that's a terrible situation, 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: and that would imply that you're like screaming out loud, 304 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: loud enough for other people to hear you. You don't 305 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: have any relationship with your next door neighbors, so the 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: best way to reach out to them is through next 307 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: door and hope they read it. Oh that's a sad 308 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: human even as a missing trope. If I lived anywhere 309 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: for very long in an apartment complex, I you know, 310 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: I had a certain relationship with the people right next 311 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: to me. 312 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: But just that the person with that incredible I mean 313 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 5: practically incomprehensible stew of issues then bringing it home to 314 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: and by the way, that damn Trump. 315 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: Is the root of all this. Wait what Yeah, I 316 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: invite you. I mean, essentially, I invite you to do 317 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: some primal screams with me. We're all going to need 318 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: the Catharsis if the political situation stays on this globally 319 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: destructive trajectory. Yeah right, Well, I was gonna bring you 320 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: a lasagna, but I don't know. You seem like a 321 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: lot long day. Yeah, you seem like a lot. Yeah. Yeah. 322 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 5: They long for those calm and placid Biden Harris years. 323 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: Wow. 324 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: All right, that was one of the best next doors 325 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: I ever clicked on in terms of making Yes, Michael, I. 326 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: Have one as well. Okay, we need good handyman, need 327 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: to put up shed. 328 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: Please email me who drives that red car? It goes 329 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: tost eat good handymen need to put up shed. That's 330 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: a good one too, Michael. That's a lot of them. 331 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with adriffing muscles in your chest 332 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: because all your Because that was one of my favorite 333 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: sentences was my support at home is currently singing in Napa. 334 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: Well support group went to a singing competition? Is that 335 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: bad for them? Give him a minute ago singing Napa. 336 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty Jack Armstrong and Joey The Armstrong and Getty Show, 337 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty. 338 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: Show to talk to the former Border Patrol Grand Pooba 339 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: twenty sixth chief of the United States Border Patrol, now retired, 340 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: Jason Owens, joins The Armstrong and Getty Show this morning. Jason, 341 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: how are you today? 342 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 7: Good Jack? I've never been called a grand two bottles. 343 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: Or thank you for that the big geez. So what 344 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: years were you the guy in charge? So I was? 345 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 7: I was the chief of the Border Patrol from the 346 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 7: summer of twenty three until March of twenty five. 347 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 2: Okay, what do you know what the history is of 348 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: our border enforcement? I mean, did we used to have 349 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: much stricter border enforcement, and people just chose not to come, 350 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: or did the economics change to where people want to 351 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: come across and so we now we need more border agents. 352 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: I actually don't know that the whole dynamic has changed. 353 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 7: It's not just about the traffic that we're seeing, but 354 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 7: it's about the public's awareness and attention to the issue. 355 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 7: That the border has always been an issue in some 356 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 7: form or fashion. It's just that we didn't pay as 357 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 7: much attention to it. You know, back in the nineties 358 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 7: when I started, you know, the Border Patrol was a 359 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 7: a small agency that not many people knew about. We 360 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 7: only had a few thousand agents and predominantly focused on 361 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 7: immigration along the southwest border with Mexico. Nobody really gave 362 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 7: any thought to the economic migration. Most of the folks 363 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 7: came from Mexico. They'd come up and they'd try and 364 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 7: find work. They'd center emittances home and during the holidays 365 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 7: they'd go back home visit their family, and then they'd 366 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 7: try again as soon as the holidays were over. And 367 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 7: that's really the extent of you know, what was border 368 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 7: security during that time. 369 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: And throughout the. 370 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 7: Ages, we've had those surges where we've had very busy times. 371 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 7: And I'm sure you know being out there in California. 372 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 7: You know, back in the nineties, San Diego was incredibly busy. 373 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 7: But it was a different demographic that was crossing then. 374 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 7: It was it was a very different mission because nine 375 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 7: to eleven hadn't happened yet, and our awareness of the 376 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 7: threats that are out there didn't exist. 377 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: In what way was it a different demographic that was 378 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: crossing back then versus down Well, like I. 379 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 7: Said, predominantly had a lot of folks from Mexico and 380 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 7: they were mostly single adult and they were coming forth 381 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 7: to find jobs in the US and send money back 382 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 7: home and they would go home to their families. Well, 383 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 7: over time that started to shift because people started to 384 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 7: see that, well, the situation got a little bit rougher 385 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 7: in Mexico. You had people from Central and South America 386 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 7: that were interested in coming up as well, and people 387 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 7: started to see that it was more difficult for US 388 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 7: to remove people from the country if they didn't come 389 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 7: from Mexico. Most of the time, if you caught Jason 390 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 7: Owens from Mexico and you said, hey, do you want 391 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 7: to go before an immigration judge and see if you're 392 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 7: going to be deported or if you can stay here 393 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 7: most of the time, they would say, you know what, 394 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 7: I'm going to voluntarily return and skip all of that, 395 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 7: knowing that it is probably going to turn right around 396 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: and try and cross again, and eventually that they made 397 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 7: it because of the year. You know how big the 398 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 7: border is and how few agents we had. Well, you 399 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 7: can't do that with folks from other countries because Mexico 400 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 7: was under no obligation to take those folks back if 401 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 7: they're not citizens of Mexico, and we don't have those 402 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 7: those processes and procedures in place with these other countries 403 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 7: in many cases, and in many cases it's a lot 404 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 7: more expensive than just walking them across the border to 405 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 7: the authorities in Mexico. 406 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, there is no place in the country you 407 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: were going to get free healthcare as someone here illegally 408 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: not that many years ago and now he can. So 409 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: there are different magnets rather than just jobs. We all 410 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: so didn't have anything like fentanyl or meth way back 411 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: in the day. How much different has that made the 412 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: drugs that are available in our appetite for them here 413 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: in the United States. 414 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 7: Well, and talking about how the dynamic has changed along 415 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 7: the border. Make no mistake about it. The cartels control 416 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 7: everything that's coming across illicitly across our borders. And that's 417 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 7: whether that's people, whether that's you know, illicit substances, whether 418 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 7: that's money, you name it. And so you know, back 419 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 7: in the again in the early two thousands and nineties, 420 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 7: and you know, it was all about marijuana, and you 421 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 7: had cocaine, and you had some meth cases and the 422 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 7: like and heroin. Those are the traditional narcotics that we 423 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 7: would come across. And of course, you know, the world's 424 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 7: view on marijuana has changed, and so the cartels adapted 425 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 7: and they look for the next best thing, because at 426 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 7: the end of the day, there's a business and they're 427 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 7: looking at how can I make money off of you 428 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 7: know what it is I'm doing well, they took a 429 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 7: pivot to two things. Number One, fentnel started becoming much 430 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 7: more prominent because of how potent it is and how 431 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 7: easy it is to make comparatively. And then also they 432 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 7: got into the people business. They got into human trafficking 433 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 7: because for the longest time, there was not as much 434 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 7: risk associated people would be a little bit more sympathetic 435 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 7: to folks that were smuggling people across the border than 436 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 7: they would somebody bringing across kilos of cocaine, and so 437 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 7: they shifted to the product it was going to be 438 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 7: in more demand and where they stood to make the 439 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 7: most money with less risk. That's officially been what the 440 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 7: cartel's business model has been and how it has impacted 441 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 7: the dynamic along particularly the southwest border. 442 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: That's interesting. So that doesn't surprise me. But you say 443 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: the cartel, nothing's really happening without their approval. 444 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 7: Absolutely not. And there's different ones that are out there. 445 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 7: And if you talk to anybody in the national security space, 446 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 7: especially with CDP and Border patrol, they will tell you 447 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 7: that that is our true adversary. The smugglers, the criminals, 448 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 7: the cartel members, those are the ones that we face 449 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 7: off against every single day, and when we go out 450 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 7: there to help secure the border, that is who we 451 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 7: have in mind. The immigration issue, it's an important one. 452 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 7: We have to have law and order, but the national 453 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 7: security aspect of border security is really what is first 454 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 7: and foremost on our minds because that represents by far 455 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 7: the greatest threat to our country. 456 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: And the Mexican government just can't get control of those 457 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: cartels apparently it's. 458 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 7: A tough situation. They You know, if you think about 459 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 7: an adversary like the cartels, that the amount of money 460 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 7: that they make. And I'll use Del Rio sector in 461 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 7: Texas as an example, because I was the I was 462 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: the sector chief there before I took over as chief 463 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 7: of the Border Patrol. And that's a that's a pretty remote, 464 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 7: small sector. And of course back a couple of years 465 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 7: ago that was front and center with Eagle Pass and 466 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 7: you all the and the Haitian migration. Well, that little 467 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 7: sector just off of human trafficking alone, we estimated that 468 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 7: the cartels were pocketing upwards of thirty thirty five million 469 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 7: dollars a week. Wow, you do the you do the math, 470 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 7: and that's not narcotics. That's nothing but human smuggling in 471 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 7: one sector of nine across the southwest border. You know, 472 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 7: for and again my Oklahoma math that that's over one 473 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 7: point five billion dollars a year in one sector that 474 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 7: they're making. So you're talking about an adversary that is 475 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 7: well funded, unlimited resources, and nothing but time to sit 476 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 7: there and think about how they're going to defeat whatever 477 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 7: security measures we have in place. And part of that 478 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 7: is destabilizing the communities and the governments in Mexico so 479 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 7: that they can maintain a foothold and keep an advantage. 480 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 7: And that's been a persistent problem for our partners over 481 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 7: in Mexico for for years. 482 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very gentle way of saying it. Destabilize 483 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: the communities, as in, if you're the cops in that town, 484 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: you're going to die if you try to take them on. 485 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I would have conversations with my counterparts these 486 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 7: they would be the Satana generals, or they would be 487 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 7: the colonels over sam Are, and they would tell you, 488 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 7: it's not that we don't want to respond or we 489 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 7: don't want to help out. 490 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: It's just that the. 491 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 7: Life we're living down here is very different. 492 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: You know. 493 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 7: They literally deal with at times gun battles in the streets, 494 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 7: people that are being murdered, dismembered. There are legitimate threats 495 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 7: to their families, and they go out there and do 496 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 7: the job. So you have to you have to respect 497 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 7: and empathize with the situation that they're in. So I 498 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 7: don't always buy into, oh, it's just it's just a 499 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 7: matter of corruption. No, there's there's a lot of factors 500 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 7: that get taken into account that I think any of 501 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 7: us in that situation would be faced with. 502 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, culturally, that's why we've got to hang on to 503 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: our culture of not having very much corruption, because man, 504 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: once you lose that, it's tough to turn it around. 505 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: That's rough. So talking about it, talking about the border. 506 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: When we just say the border, we all assume the 507 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: border between US and Mexico, but you say, there's a 508 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: lot more going on between the United States and Canada, 509 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: now the longest unde defended border in the world. 510 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 7: It was always funny to me every time I would 511 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 7: talk to a member of Congress or staffers or in 512 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 7: many cases, reporters, and it still didn't get covered as 513 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 7: much as I would have liked. People forget, Yes, there's 514 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 7: about two thousand miles between US and Mexico, but there's 515 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 7: four thousand miles a border between US and Canada that 516 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 7: if you don't count that vertical slash that Alaska shares, 517 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 7: which is another fifteen hundred miles. And oh, by the way, 518 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 7: we have thousands of miles of coast and most people 519 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 7: don't think about it in these terms. We actually share 520 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 7: a border, a coastal border with Russia because of Alaska. 521 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 7: So we have some legitimate things to think about in 522 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 7: vulnerabilities that exist along our multiple borders and the threats 523 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 7: both state and non state actors that are out there. 524 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 7: And I think that deserves a space in the discussion 525 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 7: anytime we're talking about national security and especially border security, 526 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 7: because if you're going to resource an agency that's responsible 527 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 7: for keeping us safe, you have to take into account 528 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 7: all that they are responsible for, and not just one 529 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 7: piece that the mainstream media wants to focus on. 530 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: What percentage of border patrol is on the southern border 531 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: versus the northern border. Do you have any idea? 532 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 7: Typically about ninety percent of our workforce is deployed on 533 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 7: the southwest border, and you can do the matt roughly 534 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 7: twenty thousand agents depending on the season that we're in. 535 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 7: You have ninety percent deployed down to the southwest border 536 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 7: and the rest are on the northern border, our coastal 537 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 7: sectors and in many cases overseas and our offices. 538 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, if it ever becomes a real problem, or 539 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: maybe you're saying it already, is of things coming across 540 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: the Canadian border. I remember when I drove into Calgary 541 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: one time, I was headed up to Calgary, just crossing 542 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: on a two lane highway in the middle of nowhere, 543 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: there's basically nothing there. Showed them a driver's license and 544 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: drove in. That's all there was to it. How many 545 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: drugs are coming across the Canadian border at this point? 546 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: Do you have any idea? 547 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 7: Well, and that's that's the million dollar question, so to speak. 548 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 7: That we get asked a lot of times what's getting away. 549 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 7: There's what we catch, and that's between us and the 550 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 7: Office of Field Operations that works at the ports of entry. 551 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 7: Ours is the job between the ports of entry. So 552 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: there's what we actually catch, what we may see and 553 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 7: are able to get to. But then there's that great void, 554 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 7: that great unknown, and that exists even along the Southwest 555 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 7: border that a lot of people don't realize as well. 556 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 7: There's so much of the border that we don't have 557 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 7: persistent surveillance. We don't know what's coming across or what's 558 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 7: going on because we're not out there and we don't 559 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 7: have the technology. In today's age, it's hard to imagine 560 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 7: that there's actually still areas out there where there's no 561 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 7: cell coverage, there's no reception, and you need that for 562 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 7: the technology to be effected. So there's a lot of 563 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 7: spaces out there where we don't have that situational awareness, 564 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 7: and so we can't tell you with any level of 565 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 7: certainty what's coming across, what's getting away. And that's one 566 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 7: of the things I always said. It keeps us up 567 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: at night. It worries is because we know the potential 568 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 7: and you don't want to have something like that happen 569 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 7: on your watch. 570 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is true. Jason Owen's twenty six chief 571 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: of the United States Border Patrol. Appreciate your time today 572 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: as very interesting stuff. 573 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 7: Good talk to you, Jake, Thanks for having me. 574 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: You bet you, Jack, Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and 575 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: Getty Show, The arm Strong and Getty Show. 576 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, the rapper known as four Extra lost 577 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: two fingers in a fireworks accident. He's now changed his 578 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: name to three Left. The good news is he's no 579 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: longer throwing up gang signs. 580 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 5: You know, I saw that first punch line coming, but 581 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 5: I enjoyed it a lot. Three Left and get it 582 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 5: and be carefuble of fireworks kids gender Manning Madden. This 583 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 5: uptake coming up next segment, But first, a handful of 584 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 5: consumer oriented stories that I found intriguing in or amusing 585 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 5: Wall Street Journal reporting. Vanity sizing is forcing petit women 586 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 5: into kids' clothes, changing styles, and the supersizing of apparel 587 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 5: is pushing shoppers to unusual. 588 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: Lengths to find something that fits. 589 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: The subheadline is so much glitter, Yeah, you better like sparkles. Yeah, 590 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 5: the petit women who have you know, been forced to 591 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 5: go for children's sizes because the American girth has been increasing. 592 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 5: More on that in a moment, but everybody knows this right. 593 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 5: The apparel industry for years has been employing vanity sizing, 594 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 5: making clothes larger and larger while keeping the sizes the same, 595 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 5: making matters worse for some slender shoppers. Is a current 596 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: fashioned woman in which oversized looks are in vogue. The 597 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 5: result clothes so big that slender people are swimming in them. 598 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it. So with young people, they're all 599 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: wearing super giant, baggy clothes. 600 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 5: This gallows five to fives. Try petite clothing, but because 601 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 5: those fits are designed for shorter people, the shirt sleeve 602 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 5: stop ab of her wrists and the genes don't even 603 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: graze her ankles. Children's clothes fit better, but the styles 604 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 5: aren't sophisticated, too many flowers and so much glitter. Final 605 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 5: note on this, The average American woman weighs about one 606 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds, which is thirty pounds more than 607 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 5: she did in nineteen sixty. According to the National Center 608 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 5: for Health Statistics, average is one seventy. 609 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: That is correct? Is that average or median? 610 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 5: Because if there's like one fifty thousand pound woman, that's 611 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 5: why it's like the Bill Gates walks into a bar, 612 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 5: thing right, your net worth? Your average networth, et cetera, 613 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 5: et cetera. 614 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: Bill Gates could walk into a bar and change the 615 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: average in net worth. A fifty thousand pound woman is 616 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: not going to roll into the bar or probably the buffet. 617 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: No oh my, that was insensitive. She expectedly thousand pounds. 618 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: She needs some tough talk. Look at yourself when you 619 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: hit thirty thousand, didn't you think you know? 620 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 5: We gotta change something. 621 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: This is terrible. 622 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 8: There's something terribly wrong here. Because the average height for 623 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 8: a woman is five to three. So if we're averaging 624 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 8: at one seventy, that seems pretty portly. 625 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think that that sounds high to me. 626 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: That sounds really you arguing. 627 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 5: With the name National Center for Health Statistics. 628 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 2: I guess I am, But that just that sounds high 629 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: to me. There's a lot more to get to, okay. 630 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 5: The Brazilian butt lift surgery is a procedure that enhances 631 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 5: the size and shape of someone's rear end through a 632 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 5: fat transfer. 633 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: I know what, I've had two of them. 634 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 5: It's often considered a dangerous procedure by experts since there's 635 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 5: a possibility of death, infection, and more. I would restructure 636 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 5: that sentence once you have death. Infection is kind of irrelevant, right, 637 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 5: but more the more. But this popular and freaking stupid surgery. 638 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 5: Do you seriously think having a bigger butt is going 639 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 5: to materially change your life? 640 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: It's better it's for bigger or higher you lift. It's 641 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: it's both. I'd like mine higher. It makes it not 642 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: only higher. 643 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 5: Not only is BBL surgery risky, there's one bizarre, rather 644 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 5: gross side effect that comes along that the potential patients 645 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 5: should consider. It's called the BBL smell, and it is real. 646 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 5: This doctor, what uh? There's often a smell expected for 647 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 5: BBL patients after sweating or sitting for long periods, an 648 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 5: aggressive scent. 649 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: Because I'm guessing because you have crevasses. 650 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 5: No, no, uh, there are uh tissue death, which is 651 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 5: a BBL complication and unhygienic habits that could cause someone 652 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 5: with BBBL to have a smelly b hunh. 653 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: This is the worst thing you ever done, by a lot. Yeah, 654 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: we're done, horrible. 655 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 5: I am issuing an important warning to people who might 656 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 5: fall prey to this insidious procedure. If a patient was 657 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 5: quote overfilled with fat during the procedure, fat necrosis, which 658 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 5: is when fatty tissue in the butt dies, can occur 659 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 5: as a result of RADSID smell develops. 660 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I imagine you smell like a dead body. 661 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 5: Yes, infections that need antibiotics, hospitalizations, and even that leads 662 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 5: to sepsis. 663 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: Okay, well, this has been a treat, Thanks Joe. What 664 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: is that coloni you're wearing? Black plague? 665 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 5: Is that dead raccoon? 666 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: No, that's my BBL surgery gone wrang. 667 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 5: I'm telling you, ladies, Oh beautiful the way you are 668 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 5: all right, God. 669 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: You gotta wear the kids clothes and you smell like 670 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: a dead body and things are going well for it. 671 00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: It's the arm Strong in Getty Show. It's because she's 672 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: face 673 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty