Speaker 1: Naoo, please Joseph, make it stop.
Speaker 2: A wait, how did you get in here? You are
Speaker 2: entering my private space? Where is security?
Speaker 3: Yes? And you're late for the show. Let's go. I
Speaker 3: can't believe this is our.
Speaker 1: Last Shocky episode, but lucky for you, we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest with us today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's why I was taking a shower
Speaker 2: worthy of a mermaid. Have you seen the last video?
Speaker 2: Do you know how much that tailwave? Do you know
Speaker 2: how hot Lewis Hamilton is?
Speaker 1: Yes, twenty five pounds and he's en fuego Joseph, Come on.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm coming. Wait where is my strivek to
Speaker 2: neck myistreiser.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Liliana Oosquez.
Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.
Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on
Speaker 1: how today's most famous Latin v stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level.
Speaker 3: Sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how,
Speaker 2: with buenas bias.
Speaker 3: Bunas riesas.
Speaker 1: And a lot of opinions, as we relive their greatest
Speaker 1: achievements on our journey to find out what makes them
Speaker 1: so iconic.
Speaker 2: Lil's Costa Rico Tosta.
Speaker 3: Rica, Costa Rica. But thank you for asking.
Speaker 2: We have didn't share that with Shakira, and today's guest
Speaker 2: does too.
Speaker 1: Behind the mic of the Estas Rica podcast is a
Speaker 1: young Peruvian who currently lives in Miami. Plus she is
Speaker 1: a badass psychologist.
Speaker 2: Let's give a very warm welcome to Danny Sayan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Danny. We love that you're here. You
Speaker 3: share so many.
Speaker 1: Things with Shakida, like the fact that you guys both
Speaker 1: live in Miami. I also love that you are a psychologist,
Speaker 1: you guys. So she is going to bring us an
Speaker 1: insight into Shakira's latest moves and what's in store for her.
Speaker 1: And what is really cool about this is that we're
Speaker 1: going to hear this not just from the celebrity pop
Speaker 1: culture perspective, but we also are going to hear about
Speaker 1: Shakida as the empowered woman who's currently treading the path
Speaker 1: of a recent divorce and being single and ready to
Speaker 1: mingle again. And I think what's so special, Danny about
Speaker 1: your perspective on all of this is that, like Shakita,
Speaker 1: you're also an advocate for being yourself and being confident,
Speaker 1: which is what we all know Shakida's latest quest is
Speaker 1: all about right now. And Danny, you're the perfect person
Speaker 1: for this because, first of all, you are basically next
Speaker 1: to our neighbors with Shakida in Miami.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so jealous. Do you ever see her?
Speaker 2: And no?
Speaker 4: I wish okay, we could just pretend, yeah, we we're friends.
Speaker 3: Now I want to ask why are all.
Speaker 1: The hot single ladies moving to Miami? I mean, Giselle SHACKI.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're single or not, Danny, but
Speaker 1: you're there and you're very very cute.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And Danny, you know what, I too was
Speaker 2: thinking of moving to Miami so it can be like
Speaker 2: the Fanta girls.
Speaker 4: Right well, I feel like Miami is just a city
Speaker 4: to have fun, you know, and that's why.
Speaker 5: So many people that are here.
Speaker 4: It's actually funny that you mentioned that, because so many
Speaker 4: people that are here, like, oh.
Speaker 5: My god, why can't I get a partner like I want?
Speaker 5: Our relationship? Was like, you're not going to find it
Speaker 5: here even if you're not.
Speaker 2: Oh so, do you think that maybe that they're just
Speaker 2: kind of there for like the moment. It's not the
Speaker 2: big move it's like a moment.
Speaker 4: Right, it's like this era, like your main character era,
Speaker 4: Like oh, having.
Speaker 2: Their main character era moment. That does make sense because
Speaker 2: they're newly single.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, if we learned anything
Speaker 1: about Shakida during our last few episodes, that.
Speaker 2: I've just learned too much. Honestly, I've learned so much.
Speaker 1: I have not learned enough. But the big takeaway for me,
Speaker 1: which I didn't realize, was she's kind of been living
Speaker 1: her life for peque right, Like she kind of surrendered
Speaker 1: a lot about who she is and her main character
Speaker 1: energy to be kind of like the wag right like
Speaker 1: wife and girlfriend of sports stars and to be a
Speaker 1: mom and that's okay.
Speaker 3: Like you have phases in your life.
Speaker 1: But I think you're so right, Danny, like she is
Speaker 1: in her main character era right now, living her best
Speaker 1: life in Miami.
Speaker 3: And I know for you, you're.
Speaker 1: A psychologist, so when you see this stuff happening, like
Speaker 1: bring us into Shakida, psyche. She's been spotted with Lewis Hamilton,
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise like everybody.
Speaker 3: She's moved to Miami. What is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna Psychoanalyzki for a minute.
Speaker 5: No if.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think her situation is very common for women
Speaker 4: that felt in the past have to get up their
Speaker 4: live dreams to pursue what other people expected of her,
Speaker 4: like her love interests, like wanted to be the perfect wife,
Speaker 4: wanted to be the perfect mother, wanted to be just
Speaker 4: perfect and everything. And I feel like she just came
Speaker 4: to the realization that her life is actually hers to live.
Speaker 5: So if she wants.
Speaker 4: To go ahead and hang out with different people and
Speaker 4: come to Miami to have fun, I guess she's kind
Speaker 4: of in the stage of discovering herself again after a minute.
Speaker 4: And I remember my mom. I grew up with my
Speaker 4: mom playing Shakira all over my house like I used
Speaker 4: to love to I mean I still love Shakida, of course,
Speaker 4: but I used to love those songs specifically. And then
Speaker 4: as I grew up, I was like, Mom, why is
Speaker 4: she so why is she suffering in all of her songs?
Speaker 4: And my mom was like, oh, well, she's just very passionate.
Speaker 4: She's that's just her style of music. And now I
Speaker 4: can see the difference in the music that she's getting
Speaker 4: out now that is like I don't need you. Instead
Speaker 4: I needed you and Without you, I cannot live. And
Speaker 4: her music right now is more of like I got
Speaker 4: this by myself, So I love that.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the emancipation of Mimi.
Speaker 2: I am living, breathing the emancipation of Mimi album.
Speaker 1: Wait, why this is the emancipation of Shaki. She was
Speaker 1: being held down, she was being stifled, And I think
Speaker 1: you're so right, Danny.
Speaker 3: She's such an artist.
Speaker 1: And when an artist is in their feelings about whatever
Speaker 1: it is, that is the music they create. And that's
Speaker 1: what she was creating for so long. And look at
Speaker 1: her now with like the new music, also the new fashion.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Remember Joseph, you and I
Speaker 1: were hard pressed to find photos of Shakita on a
Speaker 1: red carpet to talk about her fashion. And then I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: bitch turns up at Paris Fashion Week hanging out with
Speaker 1: Camilla Cabello wearing victory a raw couteure.
Speaker 2: She's an icon, but you know, I'm glad that she's
Speaker 2: also like she's stepping out seeing her more like we
Speaker 2: are just where where the fuck was she? For so long?
Speaker 2: Where was she?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: We knew she was around, but we didn't like see her.
Speaker 3: She was cheering pik on in the stands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now she's like everywhere Paris fashion Week, like
Speaker 2: the Grand Prix.
Speaker 5: I feel like she's coming back.
Speaker 2: To being Shaki Da I mean, I know, I really do,
Speaker 2: Like bitch is back, like Lobat is back.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we're so happy.
Speaker 1: And do you think the fans will embrace this version
Speaker 1: of Shaki Da Danny as much as they've embraced kind
Speaker 1: of like the more emo version of Shakida, Like are
Speaker 1: we ready for her?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I feel like true fans really appreciate the evolution of
Speaker 4: an artist in all of their stages. Like I feel
Speaker 4: you become a fan of someone when they learn how
Speaker 4: to share empathy with you, when you can really when
Speaker 4: you can relate to them in a much more vulnerable level.
Speaker 4: So when you see someone in social media or like
Speaker 4: in the in the media in general, and they're just
Speaker 4: so unreal, like they're always perfect, they never feel sad,
Speaker 4: they never feel heartbreak, they never look ugly, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's nice, but that's not sustainable for me to look
Speaker 4: up too, because that's not real. But when an artist
Speaker 4: shows up in this vulnerable stage, in this hurt stage,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, okay, I can get there too. I
Speaker 4: can look up to them because even though they went
Speaker 4: through all of this, they are always coming back and
Speaker 4: coming back stronger and just learning new things every day
Speaker 4: and discovering themselves again.
Speaker 5: So I can also apply that to my life.
Speaker 6: Hm.
Speaker 2: True, because I feel like, you know, right now, like
Speaker 2: I'm going through some like relationship stuff.
Speaker 1: Well wait, Shoper, you're going through relationships stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have been going through from relationship
Speaker 2: stuff for a long while with the same fool. But anyways,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, her music right now is
Speaker 2: relatable to people that are going through something. But just
Speaker 2: like you said, it's like, you know, she's basically talking
Speaker 2: about her relationship, but it's the message is just pick
Speaker 2: yourself up from your boots, Like, just pick yourself up
Speaker 2: because you can do it. It's all within you. And
Speaker 2: you can just see that she's coming back even with
Speaker 2: just the the videos that she's doing, all of the artwork,
Speaker 2: and visually she's like young again. How the fuck does
Speaker 2: she look dirty?
Speaker 3: Literally literally that's the same thing like.
Speaker 6: I was like Benjamin in like TV in like TV
Speaker 6: sorry not like you know, not like other latinas that
Speaker 6: we know that look like something on Instagram and in
Speaker 6: person they be looking their real age, which is totally fine,
Speaker 6: but like Shakina looks exactly the same everywhere in every interview.
Speaker 2: But you, guys, I'm not gonna be shady. I just
Speaker 2: want to ask one question. Do you guys think she
Speaker 2: wears a wig? Because that hair is like, no, not
Speaker 2: one hair has has fallen off of the front since
Speaker 2: she's fucking twenty.
Speaker 3: I don't know, or the shadiest of the shady.
Speaker 1: I love you so much and I'm curious and anytime
Speaker 1: somebody says or prefaces a question with I'm not being shady,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, it actually means I am a shady motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Get ready, No, but listen. But maybe she's preserving her
Speaker 2: hair because remember she colored it for so long, Like
Speaker 2: there's people that also preserve their hair. Sometimes I know
Speaker 2: that it's hers because her hair has this really beautiful texture.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes it's just kind of like thicker, which
Speaker 2: if it is a wig gets a badass weig because
Speaker 2: it's not plauckable. But it's just the thickness that I've
Speaker 2: noticed in some different interviews. That's all I was saying.
Speaker 2: If it is a way serve your hair shot key.
Speaker 1: If it is a wig, can someone please give me
Speaker 1: the name of her stylist and her dresser and wig
Speaker 1: maker because I want that in my life.
Speaker 3: She looks so good right now.
Speaker 1: She like you said, it's almost like she got like
Speaker 1: she lost all of that weight, all of that stress,
Speaker 1: like all of that energy is like sucks the life
Speaker 1: out of you.
Speaker 3: She has come alive again.
Speaker 1: And can we talk about the music, because we have
Speaker 1: to talk about this right like she writes everything. Like
Speaker 1: when we wanted to know what was happening with the
Speaker 1: PK debacle, with the cheating, with the divorce, with the
Speaker 1: oh my god, with the mother in law, with the
Speaker 1: fucking swegra all we had to do was go on Spotify,
Speaker 1: go on iHeart, go download whatever song and listen to it.
Speaker 1: It was better than People Magazine, It was better than
Speaker 1: the TMZ's.
Speaker 3: It gave you everything you needed.
Speaker 1: Like that was it? So her latest song, Okay a Crustico.
Speaker 3: Now, as a mom of.
Speaker 1: A boy I have to say, like I my tears
Speaker 1: come so quickly because being a boy mom is.
Speaker 3: A very different feeling than I think being a girl mom.
Speaker 1: Not I'm not a girl law, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: but like the way she speaks and writes about her
Speaker 1: sons is so beautiful, and like the fact that her
Speaker 1: music is coming from this kind of love and not
Speaker 1: romantic love like you said, Danny, like it's a way
Speaker 1: for it's a vulnerability point to connect, like I've never
Speaker 1: couldnnected with her as a mom, and like I listened
Speaker 1: to this song and I'm like, I'm like, I'm yours,
Speaker 1: like yes, keep writing, bitch.
Speaker 2: When I heard her son cry, I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't have space for children in my heart other than
Speaker 2: Santi because he's like my son. Oh what, But that
Speaker 2: little kid started singing and like I was actually just
Speaker 2: listening to it at first, and very quickly it could
Speaker 2: still kind of sound like Shakida if it's just going
Speaker 2: through and you like didn't really like hear it. And
Speaker 2: then I was like, wait, is that a little kid?
Speaker 2: And I was like, of course she's going to have
Speaker 2: a music video to this, and she looks stunning, she
Speaker 2: looks like an angel playing the piano, and then her kids.
Speaker 2: I literally got emotional. I'm not an emotional person. I
Speaker 2: was like, like my bottom lip shaking.
Speaker 4: I just got to add there's a lot of people
Speaker 4: commenting that her kids, even though they are like boys,
Speaker 4: they want to make music like their mom, not play
Speaker 4: soccer like their dad. So that speaks a lot about
Speaker 4: who they look up to them, which I don't want
Speaker 4: to make any conclusions or like accusations, but it really
Speaker 4: shows when a kid wants to do what their parent
Speaker 4: are like, it's they look up to the parent that's
Speaker 4: most role model figure.
Speaker 1: We call that a primary parent. It is a very
Speaker 1: hot topic of discussion in the mom world.
Speaker 2: Primary parent.
Speaker 1: Even if you are co parenting, there is always a
Speaker 1: primary parent. Like if that baby is sick at night,
Speaker 1: are they saying mommy or are they saying daddy?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like if that baby.
Speaker 1: Comes home from school and says mommy or daddy, like,
Speaker 1: that is in a way who that child feels their
Speaker 1: safest with.
Speaker 3: Not to say that they don't feel safe with the other.
Speaker 1: Parent, but there is an attachment, right There is a
Speaker 1: sense of security of this like biological fund And it
Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be mom. It does not right
Speaker 1: people think that, but it doesn't. But Danny, that's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful way to really share the connection and the
Speaker 1: deep love that these boys have for their mom because
Speaker 1: their dad happens to be one of the biggest soccer
Speaker 1: stars in the world.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine, like that's your dad, and like.
Speaker 1: You don't see them out on a piece like kicking
Speaker 1: around right, Like you see them dedicating their free time
Speaker 1: to writing music.
Speaker 3: I mean they are their mother's sons and.
Speaker 2: Playing the piano.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really special.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful, and I think it also shows what
Speaker 1: a dedication she has to her role as a mom,
Speaker 1: not just as to like secure a global superstar, like
Speaker 1: you know, icon for us. She's like I am that,
Speaker 1: but like I'm a mom first, and like, look at
Speaker 1: what that did for her family dynamic.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Are you crying? We are crying.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need a tissue.
Speaker 5: It's a very emotional day.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna need a tissue. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think of the song? Like, does it fit in with
Speaker 1: like go Bavasia? Does it fit in with the biz
Speaker 1: rap sessions?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, I didn't think you were gonna ask fucking that.
Speaker 5: I feel that's a different vibe.
Speaker 2: It is definitely a different vibe, but it does fit
Speaker 2: in because it's it's still like you said that type
Speaker 2: of love. It's like this one chapter so I don't
Speaker 2: think Shakida necessarily puts out music that has to be
Speaker 2: a vibe. It's just kind of like this is the
Speaker 2: chapter of my this is like my art history, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like these are my transcripts and
Speaker 2: that's and you get to listen to them, not really
Speaker 2: like what's hot. She just attaches herself to people or
Speaker 2: attaches uf to things that are hot, but doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: have to always be so cohesive, right, because she's an artist,
Speaker 2: she doesn't really like give a fuck. She like knows
Speaker 2: she can just put this music out and we will
Speaker 2: eat it up because everything she does is relatable. Really,
Speaker 2: now that I'm thinking about it, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: And she also like, is so can we talk about
Speaker 1: GOA because we haven't talked about it yet, Danny, what
Speaker 1: are your okay? Let's I want to talk about the video,
Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about the song.
Speaker 3: How do we feel.
Speaker 2: About I thought it was Ma Luma at first.
Speaker 4: Is it our little Murmaid? Or is Shocky our little Mermaid?
Speaker 4: I really thought she was for a second. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: she should have been cascid. I just love her whenever
Speaker 4: she knows it's just perfection. I'm like, oh my god, wait.
Speaker 2: But also the visuals of like it was totally like
Speaker 2: little Mermaid, Like I get it. It was very like super
Speaker 2: on point, but it was done so well once she
Speaker 2: really looked like a mermaid. Yes, and that tale by
Speaker 2: the way, that tail weighed twenty five pounds and she
Speaker 2: was just shaking that shit like nothing. She was like
Speaker 2: just me flapping my fucking huge ass tail.
Speaker 3: Do you guys know that she was stuck in the costume?
Speaker 3: Did you hear about this?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: This was drawms so of course, like she is like
Speaker 1: the most dedicated, like she's going to get the shot,
Speaker 1: Like she is not fucking around like she is a pro.
Speaker 2: She's like I did you see her wrapped up caught
Speaker 2: like a fucking s I know that wasn't even photoshopped, honestly.
Speaker 4: Kato d commented that they had to reshoot the video.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like a lot of times because she wants
Speaker 4: the shot to be perfect and I'm like, yep, okay.
Speaker 1: So imagine that perfectionism. But she is now trapped inside
Speaker 1: like a hundred pounds tail of the Mermaids, So like,
Speaker 1: can you imagine her like directing like you guys there's
Speaker 1: this behind the scenes video of them moving Shakita from
Speaker 1: location to location.
Speaker 2: Because she's like in a wheelchair. How are they getting
Speaker 2: her own?
Speaker 1: She was like hand carried by like five men, and
Speaker 1: I think at one point they had to use I'm
Speaker 1: not I think they had to use like a crane
Speaker 1: to like have her removed from the tank because the
Speaker 1: tank broke in the middle of filming. This video was
Speaker 1: like what, Yes, this video was like all of the
Speaker 1: DRAMs all it was like true Mermaid adventures.
Speaker 2: I love it. It also just flud taboo when she
Speaker 2: was trapped in that aquarium and like and he like
Speaker 2: they couldn't really be together because she is a fucking pitch.
Speaker 3: She can't move, her legs are stuck together in a tail.
Speaker 1: No, but if you guys have not watched this video,
Speaker 1: like you guys have to go back and watch it
Speaker 1: because it to me, it's exactly that Denny.
Speaker 3: She is a perfectious Do.
Speaker 1: You think having that trait going back to like our
Speaker 1: little psychoanalyzation, do you think that that is a competitive
Speaker 1: advantage for somebody in her position, like a global icon,
Speaker 1: or do you think it's like a detriment because you
Speaker 1: can't please everybody.
Speaker 4: I think that's one made her and a global eye
Speaker 4: kind if I'm being really honest, because perfectionism is not
Speaker 4: I mean there are limits. Of course, everything to one
Speaker 4: extent or like to an extreme, is bad. But if
Speaker 4: she wouldn't have dedicated most of her career to have
Speaker 4: her stuff done exactly the way she wants it and
Speaker 4: just perfect, then she wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And also I'm going to say this, you know,
Speaker 2: I have worked with just in the business, with professionals,
Speaker 2: Like one time I was on set with Pat McGrath
Speaker 2: and we were there from like six in the morning
Speaker 2: until the next day at two in the morning, and
Speaker 2: she was there. Like it's that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, she did not go home, she did
Speaker 7: not leave, she did not take a break. And so
Speaker 7: that's where like, if Shaquita's going to be there, I'm
Speaker 7: going to be there, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 7: one of those things where it's like, oh, she left
Speaker 7: and we're just now still here kind of stuck. It's
Speaker 7: like if I know, she probably stayed the whole time
Speaker 7: to make sure everything was perfect. Yes, Like that is
Speaker 7: what separates her and that's why she is check it
Speaker 7: in and she's we're.
Speaker 2: Talking about her.
Speaker 4: I'm always mentioning that right now, in the society that
Speaker 4: we live in, we always want easy and quick solutions
Speaker 4: and fixes. And truly, the artists that make difference are
Speaker 4: the ones that go back to the small details and
Speaker 4: make them perfect, because not a lot of people want
Speaker 4: to put in that work. They just oh, okay, you
Speaker 4: take care of it. No, you take care of it. No,
Speaker 4: just make it important. Like no, if you don't take
Speaker 4: care of the small things that you think nobody else
Speaker 4: is noticing, then you're not going to make a difference.
Speaker 4: And I feel she does that perfectly ever since her
Speaker 4: career started.
Speaker 2: The fundamentals and the basis just already there since the
Speaker 2: beginning from her dad, and now it's like comes all
Speaker 2: the way up.
Speaker 1: And Jenny, I'm so happy that you said that, because
Speaker 1: you know, this ongoing debate that Joseph and I have
Speaker 1: and our producers and our writers have all the time,
Speaker 1: is you know, what are the criteria for making somebody
Speaker 1: an icon? Because you know, during this podcast, I have
Speaker 1: people dming me, sending me emails being like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: why isn't this person.
Speaker 3: On your list? Like all of these Randoms.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, but we're always trying to come
Speaker 1: up with the list, like what are the qualifications.
Speaker 3: To get on the icon list?
Speaker 1: And that one that you just mentioned, I think is
Speaker 1: so incredibly accurate, like you have to be the one
Speaker 1: that does the work right, Like you have to show
Speaker 1: up and you have to care so much that everybody
Speaker 1: around you cares at the same level. And I think
Speaker 1: that is one of the things that we haven't discussed. Joseph,
Speaker 1: and I like, that's so true when you think back
Speaker 1: to our other icons, right you think to Ricky Martin, Mark,
Speaker 1: Anthony Bunny, j Lo Cardi, bro Parti, Bruno Mars in
Speaker 1: their own way, it's the attention to the small things
Speaker 1: that has the biggest impact in their longevity and their
Speaker 1: impact as an icon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel I relate to that a lot.
Speaker 4: With the by Bunny videos I have not watched, especially
Speaker 4: his last videos. I have not watched one that has
Speaker 4: not got this amazing cinema do rafia, Like all of
Speaker 4: the all of the shots, all the lighting, everything is
Speaker 4: just perfect, even the small things that you think nobody
Speaker 4: would notice. And I'm like, I'm one hundred percent sure
Speaker 4: that he made sure that everything was like that, and
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's truly that.
Speaker 1: It's the attention to detail, and they won't let anything
Speaker 1: come out with their brand, their name, their likeness, their
Speaker 1: image attached to it if it does not meet their
Speaker 1: level of standard. If it's not to their level, it's
Speaker 1: not happening. And I think what dilutes other people or
Speaker 1: gets in their way from reaching icon status is that
Speaker 1: they don't have that much control or they're afraid to
Speaker 1: like take that control.
Speaker 3: I feel like these icons.
Speaker 1: Are like standing in like their full power of their
Speaker 1: identity and who they are and like, nope, nothing is
Speaker 1: coming out without me like touching it, seeing it, feeling it,
Speaker 1: liking it.
Speaker 2: But I also think, you know, we got to with
Speaker 2: check it out with all of the icons before they
Speaker 2: all started real scrappy, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: we got to grow with them to be scrapped be
Speaker 2: and now they're like this, and I feel like sometimes
Speaker 2: the newer people want to be more like this and
Speaker 2: not really do the scrappy stuff to get the building
Speaker 2: block experience. Yeah, the experience exactly, Like they just want
Speaker 2: the one million dollars, but they didn't know what it
Speaker 2: was like. To go seeing outside at the fucking carnival,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like that type of stuff
Speaker 2: where at the you know.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: I think they all started scrappy, like you said, because
Speaker 4: it didn't have the resources, but they never did a
Speaker 4: mediocre job ever, exactly.
Speaker 2: They've always did their best with what they had. And yes,
Speaker 2: just like you don't need all that stuff all bad Mouney.
Speaker 2: You needed was SoundCloud, yeah, like you know, and then
Speaker 2: now and now it's a huge production where like even
Speaker 2: the visuals they're they're all different. But like you know,
Speaker 2: it was just that and he was just probably on
Speaker 2: some shitty mic that he got, you know there in
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, like not to be like, oh but you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't anything fancy, it wasn't anything special.
Speaker 1: It was just it's undeniable, right. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: got it, you got it, right. They always say like
Speaker 1: X factor, right. I think that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that also gets added to the what makes an icon list?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you got it, you got it.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you can see you can see
Speaker 1: it in somebody like they walk into a room, they're magnetic,
Speaker 1: like you just feel it. And I feel like Shakita
Speaker 1: is that right from.
Speaker 2: The very from the beginning, from her pageant day's hanging.
Speaker 1: From her pageant days, from her novella days. That is
Speaker 1: impossible to find. By the way, I was talking to
Speaker 1: somebody who's Columbiana about the novella and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know what novella you're talking about. And I was like,
Speaker 1: tell me that you saw when you were little. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I was like, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: go to Columbia and do an investigative journalism, like deep
Speaker 1: dive episode into this novella because it has been scrubbed
Speaker 1: from the interwebs. It is impossible to buy.
Speaker 2: Somebody had to have recorded it. It's there because and
Speaker 2: also the fact that she sang did we get full?
Speaker 2: Did she see that?
Speaker 3: She did sing the title song for the time?
Speaker 4: Wo?
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, we love Shaki as an actress.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in quotes, but of course we
Speaker 1: loved her for eternity as a singer. Danny, when do
Speaker 1: you think we're getting another album?
Speaker 5: Oh? Man, I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me though.
Speaker 4: If she she looked at one zero within the next
Speaker 4: two years.
Speaker 3: I think sooner. I think it's happening.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a little bit more experimental.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear like we were saying, all
Speaker 1: of the songs sound so different, and I feel like
Speaker 1: in the past the album has felt more cohesive.
Speaker 3: I think she's in her I don't give a fuck, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, to quote bad Money, like I
Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck I want when I want. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna get that vibe in this next album,
Speaker 1: and all of these songs are going to be like
Speaker 1: little stories that get interwoven to tell her story of
Speaker 1: like independence. Like I remember when she accepted her award.
Speaker 1: I think it was at the Latin Women in.
Speaker 3: Music Gala for Billboard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, it's been a year where I've realized
Speaker 1: we women are stronger than we think, graver when we believed, more.
Speaker 3: Independent than we were taught to be.
Speaker 1: Because what woman hasn't, at some time in her life
Speaker 1: forgotten herself because she's seeking the attention and love of
Speaker 1: someone else. It happened to me more than once. This
Speaker 1: is it, y'all, get ready, it's coming.
Speaker 5: It's so giving me good.
Speaker 2: You know what, She's gonna fucking it's going to be
Speaker 2: it's going to be a she wolf like something like that.
Speaker 1: Again, she's going to be like a she narwhal or
Speaker 1: some like mystical being.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's going to be.
Speaker 5: There's some kind of renaissance.
Speaker 3: I agree it is. I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now we know there's a new album coming. We're
Speaker 1: saying it right here. We don't have the exclusive, but
Speaker 1: we're going to project our own feelings into the music industry.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Shade listens to this episode and gives the people
Speaker 1: what they want.
Speaker 5: But Infestation, we have to rank some.
Speaker 3: Of Shakida's biggest hits. So Joseph and I.
Speaker 1: Have deliberated this over the last few episodes of Becoming
Speaker 1: an Icon.
Speaker 3: But Danny, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: If you had to pick your top three Shakida songs
Speaker 1: from this list, what would they be?
Speaker 5: Okay? I would do whenever Whenever?
Speaker 4: First, then yes, no, that was my favorite ever like
Speaker 4: ever when I was a little kid.
Speaker 5: My mom has videos of me dancing too that when
Speaker 5: I was and it.
Speaker 2: Was your song. Whenever aware ever, bitch, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: Whenever, whenever, and we will be posting those videos to
Speaker 4: our Instagram of dying shaking her hips to whenever wherever.
Speaker 4: Then I would do oh see and then hips on lie.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes.
Speaker 4: I.
Speaker 3: Now, Joseph, are you gonna go old school?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you pick your favorite? What's would be yours?
Speaker 2: I really get anxiety right now because I just love
Speaker 2: them so much, So I'm going to go see Waka
Speaker 2: waka hips don't lie.
Speaker 1: I'm so angry at both of you because neither one
Speaker 1: of you picked mine, which one is yours?
Speaker 2: That's good because it was?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I'm setting because how did it not get picked?
Speaker 5: I actually have a favor in this list.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold that thought for one second.
Speaker 2: Tell us tell us yours.
Speaker 1: Though Joseph as my bestie, do you know what song
Speaker 1: on this list is my top shaky song?
Speaker 2: Fuck? I really just I want to say it's I don't.
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay good?
Speaker 1: That is like the sexiest, hottest video of all time.
Speaker 1: Like I if I ever want to like channel that
Speaker 1: version of myself, that's the song I'm putting on. Like
Speaker 1: just the way they sing to each other, like the
Speaker 1: black paint dripping on her body, the dance she's just
Speaker 1: to me, she is, Like, that is what like that
Speaker 1: is like her version of Sasha fears right, Like, if
Speaker 1: I want to chant that is that's her. It's for me,
Speaker 1: it's lator and almost but Lator Tuda is like one
Speaker 1: of my top top top top top. And then Danny,
Speaker 1: you said that one of your favorite Shakida songs of
Speaker 1: all time was not on our top three list, So
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 2: Where is it?
Speaker 5: Very good? I love that song?
Speaker 2: Wait will you humme it for me? I can't think
Speaker 2: of it right now?
Speaker 4: Hid dens okay.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, I love that song.
Speaker 2: Wow. Actually that I think it wasn't on our list
Speaker 2: for a reason. But I really really really do like
Speaker 2: that song. It's just these are like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: these are I'll say these are the main stream ones
Speaker 2: that like we're like at every fucking and probably still
Speaker 2: I be honest.
Speaker 1: We always say, you know, people always ask with becoming
Speaker 1: an icon, like oh, this is for fans of Shakiedo
Speaker 1: or fans of whatever icon you guys are talking about,
Speaker 1: and we say, actually, no, like we want the show
Speaker 1: to be for people that are like, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not really a Shaki Dah fan. But then when
Speaker 1: they come and listen to becoming an icon, then they
Speaker 1: become a Shaky Dah fan. So I feel like we
Speaker 1: set these songs to like intro people into that world
Speaker 1: and then let them go do their own discovery for
Speaker 1: what their most iconic Shakida song is now, Daddy, before
Speaker 1: we let you go, we want to ask you, what do.
Speaker 3: You think the future holds for? Are she Wolf?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm channing in my witch powers.
Speaker 2: Grab the crystals? How grab the crystals?
Speaker 4: I feel she It's really hard for me to say, well,
Speaker 4: she's gonna be more iconic than she already is, But
Speaker 4: I feel like she's going to be iconic in a
Speaker 4: whole new, different level of Shakita. Like I feel people
Speaker 4: think of Shakida like, oh, yeah, she has nice love songs.
Speaker 5: When I go through a heartbreak, I can listen to her. No,
Speaker 5: But I feel like.
Speaker 4: She's just gonna reinvent a new way in which women
Speaker 4: can feel powerful about themselves without having to depend on
Speaker 4: anybody else because she just went through that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it kind of started, now you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It kind of really just gave a
Speaker 2: whole woman empowerment. I kind of feel like she might
Speaker 2: write a book or something.
Speaker 3: Oh she might she might throw a documentary or.
Speaker 2: What if she did like just kind of like essays
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: I am here for the book, I am here for
Speaker 1: the documentary, and I am here for the album. So Shakidra,
Speaker 1: your fans have spoken.
Speaker 3: Please deliver it.
Speaker 1: And I also hope, I hope that she stays in
Speaker 1: her single girl era for a long long time because
Speaker 1: I am ready for Shakita to like love herself first
Speaker 1: and most and then obviously selfishly consume everything that comes
Speaker 1: from all of that.
Speaker 5: Yes, she might start a podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hope she invites the three of us.
Speaker 2: She will.
Speaker 4: She'll be listening to this and be like check itat
Speaker 4: We can give you advice and everything.
Speaker 2: We'll find her place. You just go ring the doorbell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm her neighbor.
Speaker 4: We're supposed to get together, like fine.
Speaker 1: Well, daddy, it has been such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: I love all of your insight.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all of your witchery and giving us
Speaker 1: like full transparency into what's coming with Shakida. I kind
Speaker 1: of want to like get you on my cellphone right
Speaker 1: now and call you and ask you what's coming into
Speaker 1: my life. Not gonna lie selfishly, but this has been
Speaker 1: so much fun. Thank you and we'll see again soon.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much you guys for having me. It
Speaker 5: was a pleasure.
Speaker 2: We love you.
Speaker 1: Next on becoming an Icon, we're going all the way
Speaker 1: across the Pacific to Hawaii.
Speaker 2: My sexy mermaid tail makes a comeback.
Speaker 1: No, it actually doesn't. Exki, it's not Hi Gino.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't be able to sway your hips with it.
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