1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Naoo, please Joseph, make it stop. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: A wait, how did you get in here? You are 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: entering my private space? Where is security? 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 3: Yes? And you're late for the show. Let's go. I 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: can't believe this is our. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Last Shocky episode, but lucky for you, we have a 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: very special guest with us today. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's why I was taking a shower 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: worthy of a mermaid. Have you seen the last video? 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: Do you know how much that tailwave? Do you know 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: how hot Lewis Hamilton is? 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Yes, twenty five pounds and he's en fuego Joseph, Come on. 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm coming. Wait where is my strivek to 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: neck myistreiser. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Liliana Oosquez. 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon. 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: how today's most famous Latin v stars have shaped pop culture. 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level. 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: Sit back and get comfortable. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how, 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: with buenas bias. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: Bunas riesas. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: And a lot of opinions, as we relive their greatest 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: achievements on our journey to find out what makes them 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: so iconic. 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: Lil's Costa Rico Tosta. 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: Rica, Costa Rica. But thank you for asking. 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: We have didn't share that with Shakira, and today's guest 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: does too. 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Behind the mic of the Estas Rica podcast is a 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: young Peruvian who currently lives in Miami. Plus she is 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: a badass psychologist. 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: Let's give a very warm welcome to Danny Sayan. 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Danny. We love that you're here. You 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: share so many. 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Things with Shakida, like the fact that you guys both 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: live in Miami. I also love that you are a psychologist, 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: you guys. So she is going to bring us an 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: insight into Shakira's latest moves and what's in store for her. 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And what is really cool about this is that we're 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: going to hear this not just from the celebrity pop 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: culture perspective, but we also are going to hear about 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Shakida as the empowered woman who's currently treading the path 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of a recent divorce and being single and ready to 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: mingle again. And I think what's so special, Danny about 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: your perspective on all of this is that, like Shakita, 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: you're also an advocate for being yourself and being confident, 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: which is what we all know Shakida's latest quest is 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: all about right now. And Danny, you're the perfect person 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: for this because, first of all, you are basically next 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: to our neighbors with Shakida in Miami. 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so jealous. Do you ever see her? 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: And no? 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 4: I wish okay, we could just pretend, yeah, we we're friends. 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: Now I want to ask why are all. 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: The hot single ladies moving to Miami? I mean, Giselle SHACKI. 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're single or not, Danny, but 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: you're there and you're very very cute. 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, And Danny, you know what, I too was 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: thinking of moving to Miami so it can be like 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: the Fanta girls. 63 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: Right well, I feel like Miami is just a city 64 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 4: to have fun, you know, and that's why. 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: So many people that are here. 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 4: It's actually funny that you mentioned that, because so many 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: people that are here, like, oh. 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 5: My god, why can't I get a partner like I want? 69 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 5: Our relationship? Was like, you're not going to find it 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 5: here even if you're not. 71 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Oh so, do you think that maybe that they're just 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: kind of there for like the moment. It's not the 73 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: big move it's like a moment. 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: Right, it's like this era, like your main character era, 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 4: Like oh, having. 76 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: Their main character era moment. That does make sense because 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: they're newly single. 78 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. 79 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, if we learned anything 80 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: about Shakida during our last few episodes, that. 81 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: I've just learned too much. Honestly, I've learned so much. 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I have not learned enough. But the big takeaway for me, 83 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: which I didn't realize, was she's kind of been living 84 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: her life for peque right, Like she kind of surrendered 85 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: a lot about who she is and her main character 86 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: energy to be kind of like the wag right like 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: wife and girlfriend of sports stars and to be a 88 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: mom and that's okay. 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Like you have phases in your life. 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: But I think you're so right, Danny, like she is 91 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: in her main character era right now, living her best 92 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: life in Miami. 93 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: And I know for you, you're. 94 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: A psychologist, so when you see this stuff happening, like 95 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: bring us into Shakida, psyche. She's been spotted with Lewis Hamilton, 96 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise like everybody. 97 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: She's moved to Miami. What is going on? 98 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna Psychoanalyzki for a minute. 99 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 5: No if. 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: Actually, I think her situation is very common for women 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: that felt in the past have to get up their 102 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 4: live dreams to pursue what other people expected of her, 103 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: like her love interests, like wanted to be the perfect wife, 104 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: wanted to be the perfect mother, wanted to be just 105 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: perfect and everything. And I feel like she just came 106 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: to the realization that her life is actually hers to live. 107 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: So if she wants. 108 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 4: To go ahead and hang out with different people and 109 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: come to Miami to have fun, I guess she's kind 110 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 4: of in the stage of discovering herself again after a minute. 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: And I remember my mom. I grew up with my 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: mom playing Shakira all over my house like I used 113 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: to love to I mean I still love Shakida, of course, 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: but I used to love those songs specifically. And then 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 4: as I grew up, I was like, Mom, why is 116 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: she so why is she suffering in all of her songs? 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: And my mom was like, oh, well, she's just very passionate. 118 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: She's that's just her style of music. And now I 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 4: can see the difference in the music that she's getting 120 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: out now that is like I don't need you. Instead 121 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: I needed you and Without you, I cannot live. And 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: her music right now is more of like I got 123 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 4: this by myself, So I love that. 124 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: Do you remember the emancipation of Mimi. 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: I am living, breathing the emancipation of Mimi album. 126 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: Wait, why this is the emancipation of Shaki. She was 127 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: being held down, she was being stifled, And I think 128 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: you're so right, Danny. 129 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: She's such an artist. 130 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: And when an artist is in their feelings about whatever 131 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: it is, that is the music they create. And that's 132 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: what she was creating for so long. And look at 133 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: her now with like the new music, also the new fashion. 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Remember Joseph, you and I 135 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: were hard pressed to find photos of Shakita on a 136 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: red carpet to talk about her fashion. And then I'm sorry, 137 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: bitch turns up at Paris Fashion Week hanging out with 138 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: Camilla Cabello wearing victory a raw couteure. 139 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: She's an icon, but you know, I'm glad that she's 140 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: also like she's stepping out seeing her more like we 141 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: are just where where the fuck was she? For so long? 142 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: Where was she? 143 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 6: Like? 144 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: We knew she was around, but we didn't like see her. 145 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: She was cheering pik on in the stands. 146 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now she's like everywhere Paris fashion Week, like 147 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: the Grand Prix. 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: I feel like she's coming back. 149 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: To being Shaki Da I mean, I know, I really do, 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: Like bitch is back, like Lobat is back. 151 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: Yes, and we're so happy. 152 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: And do you think the fans will embrace this version 153 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: of Shaki Da Danny as much as they've embraced kind 154 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: of like the more emo version of Shakida, Like are 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: we ready for her? 156 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Well? 157 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: I feel like true fans really appreciate the evolution of 158 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: an artist in all of their stages. Like I feel 159 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: you become a fan of someone when they learn how 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: to share empathy with you, when you can really when 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: you can relate to them in a much more vulnerable level. 162 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: So when you see someone in social media or like 163 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: in the in the media in general, and they're just 164 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: so unreal, like they're always perfect, they never feel sad, 165 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: they never feel heartbreak, they never look ugly, you're like, Okay, 166 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: that's nice, but that's not sustainable for me to look 167 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: up too, because that's not real. But when an artist 168 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: shows up in this vulnerable stage, in this hurt stage, 169 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, okay, I can get there too. I 170 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: can look up to them because even though they went 171 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: through all of this, they are always coming back and 172 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: coming back stronger and just learning new things every day 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: and discovering themselves again. 174 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: So I can also apply that to my life. 175 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 6: Hm. 176 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: True, because I feel like, you know, right now, like 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: I'm going through some like relationship stuff. 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Well wait, Shoper, you're going through relationships stuff. 179 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have been going through from relationship 180 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 2: stuff for a long while with the same fool. But anyways, 181 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, her music right now is 182 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: relatable to people that are going through something. But just 183 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: like you said, it's like, you know, she's basically talking 184 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: about her relationship, but it's the message is just pick 185 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: yourself up from your boots, Like, just pick yourself up 186 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: because you can do it. It's all within you. And 187 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: you can just see that she's coming back even with 188 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: just the the videos that she's doing, all of the artwork, 189 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: and visually she's like young again. How the fuck does 190 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: she look dirty? 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: Literally literally that's the same thing like. 192 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 6: I was like Benjamin in like TV in like TV 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 6: sorry not like you know, not like other latinas that 194 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 6: we know that look like something on Instagram and in 195 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 6: person they be looking their real age, which is totally fine, 196 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 6: but like Shakina looks exactly the same everywhere in every interview. 197 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: But you, guys, I'm not gonna be shady. I just 198 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: want to ask one question. Do you guys think she 199 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: wears a wig? Because that hair is like, no, not 200 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: one hair has has fallen off of the front since 201 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: she's fucking twenty. 202 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, or the shadiest of the shady. 203 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I love you so much and I'm curious and anytime 204 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: somebody says or prefaces a question with I'm not being shady, 205 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: but but yeah, it actually means I am a shady motherfucker. 206 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: Get ready, No, but listen. But maybe she's preserving her 207 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: hair because remember she colored it for so long, Like 208 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: there's people that also preserve their hair. Sometimes I know 209 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: that it's hers because her hair has this really beautiful texture. 210 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: And then sometimes it's just kind of like thicker, which 211 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: if it is a wig gets a badass weig because 212 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: it's not plauckable. But it's just the thickness that I've 213 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: noticed in some different interviews. That's all I was saying. 214 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: If it is a way serve your hair shot key. 215 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: If it is a wig, can someone please give me 216 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: the name of her stylist and her dresser and wig 217 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: maker because I want that in my life. 218 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: She looks so good right now. 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: She like you said, it's almost like she got like 220 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: she lost all of that weight, all of that stress, 221 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: like all of that energy is like sucks the life 222 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: out of you. 223 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: She has come alive again. 224 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: And can we talk about the music, because we have 225 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: to talk about this right like she writes everything. Like 226 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: when we wanted to know what was happening with the 227 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: PK debacle, with the cheating, with the divorce, with the 228 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, with the mother in law, with the 229 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,479 Speaker 1: fucking swegra all we had to do was go on Spotify, 230 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: go on iHeart, go download whatever song and listen to it. 231 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: It was better than People Magazine, It was better than 232 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: the TMZ's. 233 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: It gave you everything you needed. 234 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Like that was it? So her latest song, Okay a Crustico. 235 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: Now, as a mom of. 236 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: A boy I have to say, like I my tears 237 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: come so quickly because being a boy mom is. 238 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: A very different feeling than I think being a girl mom. 239 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: Not I'm not a girl law, so I don't know, 240 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: but like the way she speaks and writes about her 241 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: sons is so beautiful, and like the fact that her 242 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: music is coming from this kind of love and not 243 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: romantic love like you said, Danny, like it's a way 244 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: for it's a vulnerability point to connect, like I've never 245 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: couldnnected with her as a mom, and like I listened 246 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: to this song and I'm like, I'm like, I'm yours, 247 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: like yes, keep writing, bitch. 248 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: When I heard her son cry, I was like, I 249 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: don't have space for children in my heart other than 250 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: Santi because he's like my son. Oh what, But that 251 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: little kid started singing and like I was actually just 252 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: listening to it at first, and very quickly it could 253 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: still kind of sound like Shakida if it's just going 254 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: through and you like didn't really like hear it. And 255 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: then I was like, wait, is that a little kid? 256 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: And I was like, of course she's going to have 257 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: a music video to this, and she looks stunning, she 258 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: looks like an angel playing the piano, and then her kids. 259 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: I literally got emotional. I'm not an emotional person. I 260 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: was like, like my bottom lip shaking. 261 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 4: I just got to add there's a lot of people 262 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,479 Speaker 4: commenting that her kids, even though they are like boys, 263 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: they want to make music like their mom, not play 264 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 4: soccer like their dad. So that speaks a lot about 265 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: who they look up to them, which I don't want 266 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 4: to make any conclusions or like accusations, but it really 267 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: shows when a kid wants to do what their parent 268 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: are like, it's they look up to the parent that's 269 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: most role model figure. 270 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: We call that a primary parent. It is a very 271 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: hot topic of discussion in the mom world. 272 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: Primary parent. 273 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: Even if you are co parenting, there is always a 274 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: primary parent. Like if that baby is sick at night, 275 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: are they saying mommy or are they saying daddy? 276 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: Right? 277 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,359 Speaker 3: Like if that baby. 278 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Comes home from school and says mommy or daddy, like, 279 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: that is in a way who that child feels their 280 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: safest with. 281 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: Not to say that they don't feel safe with the other. 282 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Parent, but there is an attachment, right There is a 283 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: sense of security of this like biological fund And it 284 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be mom. It does not right 285 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: people think that, but it doesn't. But Danny, that's such 286 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: a beautiful way to really share the connection and the 287 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: deep love that these boys have for their mom because 288 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: their dad happens to be one of the biggest soccer 289 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: stars in the world. 290 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: Can you imagine, like that's your dad, and like. 291 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: You don't see them out on a piece like kicking 292 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: around right, Like you see them dedicating their free time 293 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: to writing music. 294 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: I mean they are their mother's sons and. 295 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: Playing the piano. 296 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really special. 297 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: It's really beautiful, and I think it also shows what 298 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: a dedication she has to her role as a mom, 299 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: not just as to like secure a global superstar, like 300 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, icon for us. She's like I am that, 301 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: but like I'm a mom first, and like, look at 302 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: what that did for her family dynamic. 303 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 304 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: Are you crying? We are crying. 305 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna need a tissue. 306 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 5: It's a very emotional day. 307 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna need a tissue. What do you guys 308 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: think of the song? Like, does it fit in with 309 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: like go Bavasia? Does it fit in with the biz 310 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: rap sessions? 311 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, I didn't think you were gonna ask fucking that. 312 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 5: I feel that's a different vibe. 313 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: It is definitely a different vibe, but it does fit 314 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: in because it's it's still like you said that type 315 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: of love. It's like this one chapter so I don't 316 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: think Shakida necessarily puts out music that has to be 317 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: a vibe. It's just kind of like this is the 318 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: chapter of my this is like my art history, you 319 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like these are my transcripts and 320 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: that's and you get to listen to them, not really 321 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: like what's hot. She just attaches herself to people or 322 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: attaches uf to things that are hot, but doesn't necessarily 323 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: have to always be so cohesive, right, because she's an artist, 324 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: she doesn't really like give a fuck. She like knows 325 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: she can just put this music out and we will 326 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: eat it up because everything she does is relatable. Really, 327 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: now that I'm thinking about it, yeah, I can't. 328 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: And she also like, is so can we talk about 329 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: GOA because we haven't talked about it yet, Danny, what 330 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: are your okay? Let's I want to talk about the video, 331 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about the song. 332 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: How do we feel. 333 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: About I thought it was Ma Luma at first. 334 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: Is it our little Murmaid? Or is Shocky our little Mermaid? 335 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: I really thought she was for a second. I was like, Oh, 336 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: she should have been cascid. I just love her whenever 337 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 4: she knows it's just perfection. I'm like, oh my god, wait. 338 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: But also the visuals of like it was totally like 339 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: little Mermaid, Like I get it. It was very like super 340 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: on point, but it was done so well once she 341 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: really looked like a mermaid. Yes, and that tale by 342 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: the way, that tail weighed twenty five pounds and she 343 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: was just shaking that shit like nothing. She was like 344 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: just me flapping my fucking huge ass tail. 345 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,359 Speaker 3: Do you guys know that she was stuck in the costume? 346 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: Did you hear about this? 347 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: What? 348 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: No? 349 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: This was drawms so of course, like she is like 350 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the most dedicated, like she's going to get the shot, 351 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: Like she is not fucking around like she is a pro. 352 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: She's like I did you see her wrapped up caught 353 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: like a fucking s I know that wasn't even photoshopped, honestly. 354 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 4: Kato d commented that they had to reshoot the video. 355 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like a lot of times because she wants 356 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: the shot to be perfect and I'm like, yep, okay. 357 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: So imagine that perfectionism. But she is now trapped inside 358 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: like a hundred pounds tail of the Mermaids, So like, 359 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: can you imagine her like directing like you guys there's 360 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: this behind the scenes video of them moving Shakita from 361 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: location to location. 362 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: Because she's like in a wheelchair. How are they getting 363 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: her own? 364 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: She was like hand carried by like five men, and 365 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: I think at one point they had to use I'm 366 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: not I think they had to use like a crane 367 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: to like have her removed from the tank because the 368 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: tank broke in the middle of filming. This video was 369 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: like what, Yes, this video was like all of the 370 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: DRAMs all it was like true Mermaid adventures. 371 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: I love it. It also just flud taboo when she 372 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: was trapped in that aquarium and like and he like 373 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: they couldn't really be together because she is a fucking pitch. 374 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: She can't move, her legs are stuck together in a tail. 375 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: No, but if you guys have not watched this video, 376 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: like you guys have to go back and watch it 377 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: because it to me, it's exactly that Denny. 378 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: She is a perfectious Do. 379 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: You think having that trait going back to like our 380 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: little psychoanalyzation, do you think that that is a competitive 381 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: advantage for somebody in her position, like a global icon, 382 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: or do you think it's like a detriment because you 383 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: can't please everybody. 384 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 4: I think that's one made her and a global eye 385 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: kind if I'm being really honest, because perfectionism is not 386 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: I mean there are limits. Of course, everything to one 387 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 4: extent or like to an extreme, is bad. But if 388 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: she wouldn't have dedicated most of her career to have 389 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: her stuff done exactly the way she wants it and 390 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: just perfect, then she wouldn't be. 391 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: Exactly. And also I'm going to say this, you know, 392 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: I have worked with just in the business, with professionals, 393 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 2: Like one time I was on set with Pat McGrath 394 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: and we were there from like six in the morning 395 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: until the next day at two in the morning, and 396 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: she was there. Like it's that, you know what I mean. 397 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, she did not go home, she did 398 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 7: not leave, she did not take a break. And so 399 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 7: that's where like, if Shaquita's going to be there, I'm 400 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 7: going to be there, you know what I mean. It's 401 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 7: one of those things where it's like, oh, she left 402 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 7: and we're just now still here kind of stuck. It's 403 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 7: like if I know, she probably stayed the whole time 404 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 7: to make sure everything was perfect. Yes, Like that is 405 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 7: what separates her and that's why she is check it 406 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 7: in and she's we're. 407 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: Talking about her. 408 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 4: I'm always mentioning that right now, in the society that 409 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: we live in, we always want easy and quick solutions 410 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 4: and fixes. And truly, the artists that make difference are 411 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 4: the ones that go back to the small details and 412 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 4: make them perfect, because not a lot of people want 413 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 4: to put in that work. They just oh, okay, you 414 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: take care of it. No, you take care of it. No, 415 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: just make it important. Like no, if you don't take 416 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 4: care of the small things that you think nobody else 417 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: is noticing, then you're not going to make a difference. 418 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: And I feel she does that perfectly ever since her 419 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 4: career started. 420 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: The fundamentals and the basis just already there since the 421 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 2: beginning from her dad, and now it's like comes all 422 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: the way up. 423 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: And Jenny, I'm so happy that you said that, because 424 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: you know, this ongoing debate that Joseph and I have 425 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: and our producers and our writers have all the time, 426 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: is you know, what are the criteria for making somebody 427 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: an icon? Because you know, during this podcast, I have 428 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: people dming me, sending me emails being like, wait a second, 429 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: why isn't this person. 430 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: On your list? Like all of these Randoms. 431 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, but we're always trying to come 432 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: up with the list, like what are the qualifications. 433 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: To get on the icon list? 434 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: And that one that you just mentioned, I think is 435 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: so incredibly accurate, like you have to be the one 436 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: that does the work right, Like you have to show 437 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: up and you have to care so much that everybody 438 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: around you cares at the same level. And I think 439 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: that is one of the things that we haven't discussed. Joseph, 440 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: and I like, that's so true when you think back 441 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: to our other icons, right you think to Ricky Martin, Mark, 442 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Bunny, j Lo Cardi, bro Parti, Bruno Mars in 443 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: their own way, it's the attention to the small things 444 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: that has the biggest impact in their longevity and their 445 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: impact as an icon. 446 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel I relate to that a lot. 447 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 4: With the by Bunny videos I have not watched, especially 448 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 4: his last videos. I have not watched one that has 449 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 4: not got this amazing cinema do rafia, Like all of 450 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 4: the all of the shots, all the lighting, everything is 451 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: just perfect, even the small things that you think nobody 452 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 4: would notice. And I'm like, I'm one hundred percent sure 453 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 4: that he made sure that everything was like that, and 454 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah. 455 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's truly that. 456 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: It's the attention to detail, and they won't let anything 457 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: come out with their brand, their name, their likeness, their 458 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: image attached to it if it does not meet their 459 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: level of standard. If it's not to their level, it's 460 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: not happening. And I think what dilutes other people or 461 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: gets in their way from reaching icon status is that 462 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: they don't have that much control or they're afraid to 463 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: like take that control. 464 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 3: I feel like these icons. 465 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Are like standing in like their full power of their 466 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: identity and who they are and like, nope, nothing is 467 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: coming out without me like touching it, seeing it, feeling it, 468 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: liking it. 469 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: But I also think, you know, we got to with 470 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: check it out with all of the icons before they 471 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: all started real scrappy, you know what I mean, And 472 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: we got to grow with them to be scrapped be 473 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: and now they're like this, and I feel like sometimes 474 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: the newer people want to be more like this and 475 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: not really do the scrappy stuff to get the building 476 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: block experience. Yeah, the experience exactly, Like they just want 477 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 2: the one million dollars, but they didn't know what it 478 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: was like. To go seeing outside at the fucking carnival, 479 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like that type of stuff 480 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: where at the you know. 481 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: That's the thing. 482 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: I think they all started scrappy, like you said, because 483 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 4: it didn't have the resources, but they never did a 484 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: mediocre job ever, exactly. 485 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: They've always did their best with what they had. And yes, 486 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: just like you don't need all that stuff all bad Mouney. 487 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: You needed was SoundCloud, yeah, like you know, and then 488 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: now and now it's a huge production where like even 489 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: the visuals they're they're all different. But like you know, 490 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: it was just that and he was just probably on 491 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: some shitty mic that he got, you know there in 492 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, like not to be like, oh but you know, 493 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't anything fancy, it wasn't anything special. 494 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: It was just it's undeniable, right. I mean, if you 495 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: got it, you got it, right. They always say like 496 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: X factor, right. I think that's one of the things 497 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: that also gets added to the what makes an icon list? 498 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if you got it, you got it. 499 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: And I feel like you can see you can see 500 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: it in somebody like they walk into a room, they're magnetic, 501 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: like you just feel it. And I feel like Shakita 502 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: is that right from. 503 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: The very from the beginning, from her pageant day's hanging. 504 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: From her pageant days, from her novella days. That is 505 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: impossible to find. By the way, I was talking to 506 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: somebody who's Columbiana about the novella and they're like, oh, 507 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: I know what novella you're talking about. And I was like, 508 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: tell me that you saw when you were little. They're like, oh, 509 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: I've seen it. I was like, Okay, we need to 510 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: go to Columbia and do an investigative journalism, like deep 511 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: dive episode into this novella because it has been scrubbed 512 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: from the interwebs. It is impossible to buy. 513 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: Somebody had to have recorded it. It's there because and 514 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: also the fact that she sang did we get full? 515 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: Did she see that? 516 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: She did sing the title song for the time? 517 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: Wo? 518 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: Okay. Now, we love Shaki as an actress. 519 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in quotes, but of course we 520 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: loved her for eternity as a singer. Danny, when do 521 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: you think we're getting another album? 522 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 5: Oh? Man, I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me though. 523 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: If she she looked at one zero within the next 524 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 4: two years. 525 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: I think sooner. I think it's happening. 526 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a little bit more experimental. 527 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear like we were saying, all 528 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: of the songs sound so different, and I feel like 529 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: in the past the album has felt more cohesive. 530 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: I think she's in her I don't give a fuck, like. 531 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, to quote bad Money, like I 532 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck I want when I want. I 533 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna get that vibe in this next album, 534 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: and all of these songs are going to be like 535 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: little stories that get interwoven to tell her story of 536 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: like independence. Like I remember when she accepted her award. 537 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: I think it was at the Latin Women in. 538 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: Music Gala for Billboard. 539 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, it's been a year where I've realized 540 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: we women are stronger than we think, graver when we believed, more. 541 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: Independent than we were taught to be. 542 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Because what woman hasn't, at some time in her life 543 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: forgotten herself because she's seeking the attention and love of 544 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: someone else. It happened to me more than once. This 545 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: is it, y'all, get ready, it's coming. 546 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 5: It's so giving me good. 547 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 2: You know what, She's gonna fucking it's going to be 548 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: it's going to be a she wolf like something like that. 549 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Again, she's going to be like a she narwhal or 550 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: some like mystical being. 551 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what it's going to be. 552 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 5: There's some kind of renaissance. 553 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: I agree it is. I love it. 554 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Now we know there's a new album coming. We're 555 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: saying it right here. We don't have the exclusive, but 556 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: we're going to project our own feelings into the music industry. 557 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully Shade listens to this episode and gives the people 558 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: what they want. 559 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 5: But Infestation, we have to rank some. 560 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: Of Shakida's biggest hits. So Joseph and I. 561 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: Have deliberated this over the last few episodes of Becoming 562 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: an Icon. 563 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 3: But Danny, I want to hear from you. 564 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: If you had to pick your top three Shakida songs 565 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: from this list, what would they be? 566 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 5: Okay? I would do whenever Whenever? 567 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 4: First, then yes, no, that was my favorite ever like 568 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: ever when I was a little kid. 569 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: My mom has videos of me dancing too that when 570 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 5: I was and it. 571 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: Was your song. Whenever aware ever, bitch, Okay, Okay. 572 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 4: Whenever, whenever, and we will be posting those videos to 573 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 4: our Instagram of dying shaking her hips to whenever wherever. 574 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 4: Then I would do oh see and then hips on lie. 575 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: Oh god, yes. 576 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: I. 577 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: Now, Joseph, are you gonna go old school? 578 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you pick your favorite? What's would be yours? 579 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: I really get anxiety right now because I just love 580 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: them so much, So I'm going to go see Waka 581 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: waka hips don't lie. 582 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm so angry at both of you because neither one 583 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: of you picked mine, which one is yours? 584 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: That's good because it was? 585 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Because yeah, I'm setting because how did it not get picked? 586 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 5: I actually have a favor in this list. 587 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: Okay, hold that thought for one second. 588 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: Tell us tell us yours. 589 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: Though Joseph as my bestie, do you know what song 590 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: on this list is my top shaky song? 591 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: Fuck? I really just I want to say it's I don't. 592 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: Yes? 593 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: Okay good? 594 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: That is like the sexiest, hottest video of all time. 595 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: Like I if I ever want to like channel that 596 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: version of myself, that's the song I'm putting on. Like 597 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: just the way they sing to each other, like the 598 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: black paint dripping on her body, the dance she's just 599 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: to me, she is, Like, that is what like that 600 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: is like her version of Sasha fears right, Like, if 601 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I want to chant that is that's her. It's for me, 602 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: it's lator and almost but Lator Tuda is like one 603 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: of my top top top top top. And then Danny, 604 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: you said that one of your favorite Shakida songs of 605 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: all time was not on our top three list, So 606 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: what is it? 607 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: Where is it? 608 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 5: Very good? I love that song? 609 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: Wait will you humme it for me? I can't think 610 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: of it right now? 611 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 4: Hid dens okay. 612 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, I love that song. 613 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: Wow. Actually that I think it wasn't on our list 614 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: for a reason. But I really really really do like 615 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: that song. It's just these are like, yeah, I guess 616 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: these are I'll say these are the main stream ones 617 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: that like we're like at every fucking and probably still 618 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: I be honest. 619 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: We always say, you know, people always ask with becoming 620 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: an icon, like oh, this is for fans of Shakiedo 621 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: or fans of whatever icon you guys are talking about, 622 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: and we say, actually, no, like we want the show 623 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: to be for people that are like, oh, you know what, 624 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm not really a Shaki Dah fan. But then when 625 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: they come and listen to becoming an icon, then they 626 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: become a Shaky Dah fan. So I feel like we 627 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: set these songs to like intro people into that world 628 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: and then let them go do their own discovery for 629 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: what their most iconic Shakida song is now, Daddy, before 630 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: we let you go, we want to ask you, what do. 631 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: You think the future holds for? Are she Wolf? 632 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm channing in my witch powers. 633 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: Grab the crystals? How grab the crystals? 634 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: I feel she It's really hard for me to say, well, 635 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: she's gonna be more iconic than she already is, But 636 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: I feel like she's going to be iconic in a 637 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 4: whole new, different level of Shakita. Like I feel people 638 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: think of Shakida like, oh, yeah, she has nice love songs. 639 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 5: When I go through a heartbreak, I can listen to her. No, 640 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 5: But I feel like. 641 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: She's just gonna reinvent a new way in which women 642 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: can feel powerful about themselves without having to depend on 643 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 4: anybody else because she just went through that. 644 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, and it kind of started, now you know 645 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 2: what I mean. It kind of really just gave a 646 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: whole woman empowerment. I kind of feel like she might 647 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: write a book or something. 648 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: Oh she might she might throw a documentary or. 649 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: What if she did like just kind of like essays 650 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Yeah, something like that. 651 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: I am here for the book, I am here for 652 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: the documentary, and I am here for the album. So Shakidra, 653 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: your fans have spoken. 654 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: Please deliver it. 655 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: And I also hope, I hope that she stays in 656 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: her single girl era for a long long time because 657 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: I am ready for Shakita to like love herself first 658 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: and most and then obviously selfishly consume everything that comes 659 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: from all of that. 660 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: Yes, she might start a podcast. 661 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hope she invites the three of us. 662 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: She will. 663 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 4: She'll be listening to this and be like check itat 664 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: We can give you advice and everything. 665 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: We'll find her place. You just go ring the doorbell. 666 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm her neighbor. 667 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 4: We're supposed to get together, like fine. 668 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: Well, daddy, it has been such a pleasure having you 669 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: on the show. 670 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 3: I love all of your insight. 671 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for all of your witchery and giving us 672 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: like full transparency into what's coming with Shakida. I kind 673 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: of want to like get you on my cellphone right 674 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: now and call you and ask you what's coming into 675 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: my life. Not gonna lie selfishly, but this has been 676 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: so much fun. Thank you and we'll see again soon. 677 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: Thank you so much you guys for having me. It 678 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 5: was a pleasure. 679 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: We love you. 680 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: Next on becoming an Icon, we're going all the way 681 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: across the Pacific to Hawaii. 682 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: My sexy mermaid tail makes a comeback. 683 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: No, it actually doesn't. Exki, it's not Hi Gino. 684 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: You wouldn't be able to sway your hips with it. 685 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: Because we're welcoming to the Becoming an Icon roster, His 686 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: Royal Highness himself, our very own King of funk and of. 687 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: Pop, R and B, soul, disco, reggae and. 688 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: Rock fax facts. I stand corrected. 689 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: None other than your magestye Brunito. 690 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: Mars boy, you better practice that hurtsy. Becoming an Icon 691 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: is presented by Sonoo and Iheart'smichael Duda podcast network. Listen 692 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 693 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast