Speaker 1: Forever, look mad oh I see you? Why why would
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's
Speaker 1: oh well, oh this is um. One of the last
Speaker 1: episodes were recording together that we're while we're both New
Speaker 1: York City residents. Truly, I'm sucking out of work. I
Speaker 1: gotta go, and it's not it's not it's not goodbye
Speaker 1: to see you later. Sure, but did you ever have
Speaker 1: like a seven year itach moment where we were like,
Speaker 1: I gotta leave but then didn't like come back? Did
Speaker 1: you like come back around? Like? Oh, I actually like
Speaker 1: the entire time I was in New York, I was
Speaker 1: like I'm never leaving New York. And then I left
Speaker 1: New York for fifteen minutes and was like, oh forget it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how that went. Because now it's like now it's
Speaker 1: just like you guys know you don't have to live here, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you have to live here. Our guests has to
Speaker 1: live here, right for work work. But in general, it's
Speaker 1: like there's so many more habitable places elsewhere, but there
Speaker 1: the habitable, the habitable places aren't too far from here either.
Speaker 1: I also, I'm making a mental note right now to
Speaker 1: ask our guests where he actually lives here around because
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer. I think I might
Speaker 1: know the answer. Okay, well this isn't but we haven't
Speaker 1: brought her in. We haven't brought her in yet. That's
Speaker 1: it's not time for her. So this is what I
Speaker 1: want to say to you. I'll be back all the
Speaker 1: time and you'll come to me. See. That's the thing though,
Speaker 1: is that like on my time off, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'll want to be in l A. People necessarily allay, Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is like, you'll make sacrifices for our friendship, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll make sacrifices, right, But I won't be coming
Speaker 1: here all the time. This is the way, will be
Speaker 1: going there all the time. So who said all the time?
Speaker 1: I said sometimes get I actually said the next time
Speaker 1: that we should record a bunch of episodes because we
Speaker 1: are backlogging famously, that you should come to me because
Speaker 1: we have we we've interviewed every every bit here we have,
Speaker 1: We've done it. We've talked to everyone in New York. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we have people in Los Angeles. When's my turn? And
Speaker 1: I got I Los Angeles led when's my turn? When's
Speaker 1: my turn? I'm just saying we need bonwe Yane to
Speaker 1: come out there because I'm not hosting it with Jokim Booster.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Oh, I'm not doing it. He's got his
Speaker 1: own podcast. He's at his own podcast. Now. Well, um, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I will do that. We have to
Speaker 1: make it work because a lot of people are are,
Speaker 1: you know, questioning me saying what about the pod? What
Speaker 1: about the pot? Said? The pod is something that we
Speaker 1: put up on a high pedestal and we will do
Speaker 1: it until we die. Yeah, I think, what what? What
Speaker 1: is your thing with l A? You feel like you
Speaker 1: can have a vacation there. It's not my thing. It's
Speaker 1: not anything about l A. It's just that it is
Speaker 1: such a I go there and I think, okay, it's
Speaker 1: it's you're not relaxed. Not relaxed. That's that's all it is.
Speaker 1: It's a frame of mind. Okay, all right, see yourself
Speaker 1: in a good friend of mine, how about that for once? Okay.
Speaker 1: I just I just think there's just so many hurdles,
Speaker 1: so many little there's a thousand you know, points of
Speaker 1: a thousand little needles, a thousand little there's a confusion
Speaker 1: saying a thousand daggers. It's like a thousand dollars said,
Speaker 1: life is a life is a thousand joys and daggers
Speaker 1: or something like, you get the good, you get the bad,
Speaker 1: but it's all life. Yeah, so that's what what what? What?
Speaker 1: Come to a later record episodes of me okay, bring
Speaker 1: Confucius into this? Oh my god, um, we have to
Speaker 1: bring well are the most perfect person there is? This
Speaker 1: is the thing. It's like, do you remember, Oh, I
Speaker 1: know you do? We before you worked at the institution
Speaker 1: when we met him. When we met him, we were
Speaker 1: a guest of Sudi Greens and we said to Sudi, hello,
Speaker 1: we're here to be a guest for this episode. We
Speaker 1: were in the writer's room and she said, let's just
Speaker 1: go to my office. My office, and which are my
Speaker 1: Which is my favorite series of word? This was? This
Speaker 1: was the Jeweler Julia Louis Drif this episode of season
Speaker 1: forty one or something like that. And we went up
Speaker 1: to the writer's area and we were introduced to this man,
Speaker 1: our guest today today, and we got to talking and
Speaker 1: then you and I both had this feeling. I had
Speaker 1: this feeling in my brain, heart and Lloyds that I
Speaker 1: needed to ask a question, and I was like, do
Speaker 1: you remember a sketch called Deep Past Dish? And he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was me, and I was when I realized he
Speaker 1: had written Deep Past Dish. And then you guys went
Speaker 1: off about Deep Past Dish, and that's when I realized
Speaker 1: he also had written Gays in Space. And then I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to say that I was the one
Speaker 1: who asked him and were you did you have anything
Speaker 1: to do with gays in Space? And from there it
Speaker 1: was revealed to me and to you that he had
Speaker 1: written everything I connected with throughout my whole pretty much
Speaker 1: like awareness of SNL that this man had written for me.
Speaker 1: It was just like he had written everything that I
Speaker 1: was just like he because you know, it's it's this
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about all the time here where
Speaker 1: it's just like you latch onto something growing up and
Speaker 1: you don't know why, you don't know why, and then
Speaker 1: like when you grew up, it all makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's that's what that was. That that was that
Speaker 1: And so I think I even had like a moment
Speaker 1: of factortory where I was like, he hasn't understand how
Speaker 1: seen you made me as a gag and he was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is a lot, but it was. It was a
Speaker 1: very fun moment to have that well because and then
Speaker 1: I think you and I talked about it for like
Speaker 1: so so long afterwards. We were gagged. We were just like, wow,
Speaker 1: what what would have true true joy? And how lucky
Speaker 1: are we that we got to tell him? How veteran veteran,
Speaker 1: legendary SNL writer, SNL writer, star of Hudson Valley Ball
Speaker 1: love Hudson Valley Ballers. Yes, I stand Paula, and we
Speaker 1: stand Paula. You know, I met Paula. I interviewed her
Speaker 1: at Sundance. Huh and um. I was too like sort
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, the boundaries are weird. Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was just like kind of did tiptoeing around it.
Speaker 1: But I was like I was, I wonder what would
Speaker 1: I have said, I've met James, and she would have
Speaker 1: been like like, fuck you out of my face. I'm
Speaker 1: here to talk about wine country. I'm here to talk
Speaker 1: about wine country. I'm here to talk about documentary. Now,
Speaker 1: documentary right the way, anyway, who are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: We're talking about the one, the Only. Please welcome into
Speaker 1: your eight years James Anderson. Hi, don't do this. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have this voice, don't have this mask. Drag here.
Speaker 1: How dare you stop say the masculinity knocked your head?
Speaker 1: Funds right off your damn head. Okay, James, was that
Speaker 1: night like truly a lot for you these two? No?
Speaker 1: I loved it. I I don't think of anything like that,
Speaker 1: And you know, you guys were so wonderful that night
Speaker 1: and talking about it. It It just made me feel like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing something more than just being silly. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I actually think it was like it
Speaker 1: probably like when you were writing that that stuff, like,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it just felt like, oh, finally,
Speaker 1: thank god I got something on. But for watching it
Speaker 1: at home, I was like, oh my god. And I
Speaker 1: remember like my this is like whatever. But my straight
Speaker 1: friends like also liked all those sketches because I think
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking of it as like like gay humor.
Speaker 1: They thought about just like SNL. I mean, while I
Speaker 1: knew it was like inherently queer, like watching Maya come
Speaker 1: Out and space like that was like there was something
Speaker 1: about that where I was just like, this is for
Speaker 1: me in such a deep way that I could never
Speaker 1: understand all the stars are out tonight. Moonlight in your
Speaker 1: hair feels right. If the thing is like now you
Speaker 1: have to like really dig defined it, but you shouldn't
Speaker 1: dig define. Oh my god, those were so fun. I
Speaker 1: mean it was just like a bunch of divas on
Speaker 1: a spaceship having their you know, these girls were just
Speaker 1: at each other's throats, that loved each other in exploring space, yes,
Speaker 1: and had their exploring space yeah, and had their diva
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we all have like that that
Speaker 1: gay icon and that was their gay icon. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what the story is because because she's on
Speaker 1: a different sets, she's not from the narrative. If we
Speaker 1: had to know, she probably is like a Katie Perry
Speaker 1: that that came in and not maybe not that big.
Speaker 1: Days in Space was probably not a big show. It
Speaker 1: was on a channel that, yeah, MTV Plus. But I'm
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking is like in the narrator,
Speaker 1: in the world of the show of Gays in Space,
Speaker 1: Maya's character, who is not does not figure into the
Speaker 1: actual story, is just a pop star and that you well,
Speaker 1: the writers were like, we love her. Yeah, the writers
Speaker 1: of the show, they were like, yeah, we have to
Speaker 1: get her. We have to get you know, the enders sends.
Speaker 1: You know she has to do it, so you um,
Speaker 1: I have to ask more about the name. By the way,
Speaker 1: the one line I remember from Gazes basis well, listen,
Speaker 1: I took my moon pants into my gravity boots. Shania
Speaker 1: so like Shania Twain also is a figure in this. Yes,
Speaker 1: but maybe Shania was just like a name that you
Speaker 1: toss off. That's true. You are iconically good at naming characters.
Speaker 1: I think you know that. Tell me more about me.
Speaker 1: Stop you take it. We're gonna we're gonna get this
Speaker 1: out the way. Just just up top. So Beginnings chang
Speaker 1: as I feel and I feel like it's recurring beginnings
Speaker 1: chring Latista stro Oh, yeah, she came back this year,
Speaker 1: didn't she did? Beginning? What she was in? Was she
Speaker 1: in the I don't know she was. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a grounded sketch. Oh, but oh she was. Oh she
Speaker 1: was serious. Was she was like a serious person. It
Speaker 1: was like, I don't remember, was it my name is Beginning.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like, hi, I'm my name
Speaker 1: is Beginnings chang The Beginnings chang by Everyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: know is again another My Rodolf character in Deep Past Dish. Literally,
Speaker 1: I remember the episode with the Matthew five episode and Beginnings.
Speaker 1: Chang in Deep Past Dish performs tiny moves about how
Speaker 1: you have to make move very small in the clubs
Speaker 1: so that you don't hurt someone when you dance, because
Speaker 1: she had had an experience where I tweaked out queen
Speaker 1: while with a glove stick. So you don't understand, like
Speaker 1: this is like, this is like deep in my heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like deep in my heart and soul. Yet
Speaker 1: to me, they really were like, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: taken for what it is like, but it did like
Speaker 1: I mean I'm able to say it verbatim. That means
Speaker 1: they have like a formative impact on They burrowed into
Speaker 1: your brain. Yea um. But yeah, so we had also
Speaker 1: in that episode of that that sketch had Latisa stro
Speaker 1: played by Amy Poehler, who fell down some scaffolding, who
Speaker 1: sang cologne. Oh, and I used to wear this. I forgot.
Speaker 1: I forgotten. Yeah you forgotten, cause it's like years later,
Speaker 1: but I mean iconic to me. But and then I think,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've asked you. This Christian song fashion
Speaker 1: was also you uh like something like wait, what was
Speaker 1: that diamonds fashion or like it's something It was some
Speaker 1: some sort of like it was not deep past dish,
Speaker 1: but it was just like a music video set where
Speaker 1: she was just like a dynasty type. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that may have been Emily. Yeah it no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have like because I I like,
Speaker 1: do you have like a cast member like throughout, like
Speaker 1: because you're Christen a lot like you were like a
Speaker 1: team is there you work with Cecily a lot? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can do anything? So good? Yeah, it was there. It
Speaker 1: was like you guys had the idea to do mean
Speaker 1: meaning in the Ladies Room. Oh yeah, you know that
Speaker 1: was kind of uh well, Gays in Space was sort
Speaker 1: of based a little bit that little talkie part, you
Speaker 1: know when she counts down yes, yes, yes, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's going to get intergalactic. It's scandalous is climax? Oh yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Right right right? Oh so that is the inspiration a
Speaker 1: little bit because I just love bitches like just talking
Speaker 1: through a song. Yeah yeah yeah, I'll never forget. Like
Speaker 1: under I didn't know what Meeting in the Ladies Room
Speaker 1: was until they did a lip sync of it. On
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race, and I was just watching it like
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is this song? But
Speaker 1: like the Queens knew it like down which now of
Speaker 1: course I get why, but it's just like watched Queens
Speaker 1: just know that whole spoken word part like truly good
Speaker 1: telling someone off someone Stacy Lane Matthews doing it. Yes,
Speaker 1: Stacy Lane is so good. Now I'm even thinking it's
Speaker 1: even funnier that, like, um, gays in Space was so
Speaker 1: iconic to us with no reference for what May was doing,
Speaker 1: just like like I love this and it's just like
Speaker 1: doing like something we have no reference for, etcetera. We
Speaker 1: tried to do it after she left and Will Forte
Speaker 1: went into that part had a turtleneck, you know, it
Speaker 1: was it was pretty good. It was harder to get
Speaker 1: gay stuff on then, Um huh not, well that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think so it has gotten gay or in
Speaker 1: the past time. I think I think it was just
Speaker 1: here and there. I don't recall being I didn't actually, um,
Speaker 1: you know, that was always like the little gift like
Speaker 1: when I got to write something that that I felt
Speaker 1: was a part of me and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: that's fun. But a lot of times. You know, you
Speaker 1: were just doing you know what I wanted to get out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just whatever. Um was not necessarily there was an a
Speaker 1: gay theme to it, but just something that had a
Speaker 1: concept or whatever to get on the show. But I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't, I can't. You know, it's
Speaker 1: all such a blur. It is a blur. It's like
Speaker 1: I can't believe I've been there twenty years and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I think back on some of the
Speaker 1: things that have that, um, you know, all the I'm
Speaker 1: blessed to have had this job. It's it's an amazing experience.
Speaker 1: But then I can't believe. I'll go back and watch
Speaker 1: something and um, I'll be like, oh, I think I
Speaker 1: think this was me. Like the NBC posts a lot
Speaker 1: of old sketches, and they posted one the other day
Speaker 1: of musical about spring break I am. I know it's
Speaker 1: called Woo. I don't think it got a lot of laughs.
Speaker 1: But Maya Rudolph at the top of that doing this
Speaker 1: time I've got the springbreak Fever. Yeah I can. I
Speaker 1: can sing the whole song. Can I sing the whole longing?
Speaker 1: I'd love it? Who spring break Fever? Sleeping on the floor, y'all,
Speaker 1: hysterious bruises, intestinal parricides, who Mexicanglin eating the worm, y'all
Speaker 1: losing McKees, losing my person maa Jinnah at spring break?
Speaker 1: O good James. Let's shift it over to your summer.
Speaker 1: How was it were you? Were you upstate the whole time? Even?
Speaker 1: What did you do? Oh? God, I just tell me,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I know, What's what's up with that? Where? Where?
Speaker 1: Where have you been? I've been here complaining, he is
Speaker 1: and had to I've been complaining. I mean, did you
Speaker 1: know from the get go? I mean, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: had was where you were, like we shot huts and
Speaker 1: valley ballers or whatever. But it's like, do you take
Speaker 1: the time to just fully yeah, clear the whole summer? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You people learned. Sometimes I just kind of go into
Speaker 1: a vacuum chamber with like cold fluids and just try
Speaker 1: to get my remote youth back. But that's but that's
Speaker 1: like that's like the right way to do it, though,
Speaker 1: I think, because I'm so I'm like annoyed at myself
Speaker 1: that I didn't give myself that I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I wanted to ask you do
Speaker 1: you live upstate. I I kind of go back and forth,
Speaker 1: but we do spend quite a bit of time up there.
Speaker 1: We live on the well, it's Accord and I just
Speaker 1: found out that we live on the Fruit Loop. That
Speaker 1: means there's a lot of gaze on a loop there
Speaker 1: and you just do the loop. But you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know any of them and all your all your life.
Speaker 1: I met one the I found one. What's wrong with me?
Speaker 1: There's you know, the damn bathhouse. No, um, I uh.
Speaker 1: I knew him from the city and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: know you from the city and He's like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said he lived near Accord And I said, um,
Speaker 1: do you live on the Fruit Loop? And he said
Speaker 1: he was the first fruit on the loop? Oh how everything?
Speaker 1: Every queen thinks of the first fruit on the loop?
Speaker 1: Sam Smith? Sam Smith, how are you at you You're
Speaker 1: not Howard Ash Honey? Honey? Wait? So then, how I
Speaker 1: mean is it like, are we talking like a dozens
Speaker 1: of gays or hundreds? I think there's quite a few. Yea.
Speaker 1: I know some gays that have flocked up state. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, you know the Swishouts, the Swishops, Swishouts. But no.
Speaker 1: When I'm up there, I'm basically just you know, really
Speaker 1: bird dugging for like some animals, I'm just like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I hope a bear comes up today. Who's waiting at
Speaker 1: the window. Get some damn excitement in the loop. Come on,
Speaker 1: are you your cat up there? Oh? Yeah? We bring
Speaker 1: them back and forth. They hate it cat folk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god yeah. We have three three, um well, two
Speaker 1: rescues and one bought kitty. The bought kitty just happened.
Speaker 1: She he he. He had his big paws on the window,
Speaker 1: the window, and you were like, okay, yeah, I couldn't resist.
Speaker 1: What are the names of the cats, Jasper, Odie and
Speaker 1: Dinah Jasper Jasper's name. Yeah, Jasper is the glamour kitty.
Speaker 1: None of them like me. Why because Mike feeds them.
Speaker 1: I'm always you know, when I'm working, I'm not feeding them,
Speaker 1: so they love him, and um occasionally they'll look at
Speaker 1: me like all right, I'll lay on you for a song,
Speaker 1: I'll lay on you for a second. I would rather
Speaker 1: you would rather day lay on you like four hours
Speaker 1: all the time. I had a cat like that. Pam, Yeah, Pam.
Speaker 1: I adopted a cat. Her name was Pamela. And I
Speaker 1: took her to the vet and then um, I gave
Speaker 1: him my last name. When they came out to they said,
Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson, you did that on purpose. I well, you
Speaker 1: know what, I think. I didn't. I did not know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know until it happened, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I love that. I wish I but she
Speaker 1: already had the name, you know, and she was Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 1: The cat missed pam Yeah. Do you remember a time
Speaker 1: when Pamela Anderson was the queen? The queen that was?
Speaker 1: That was an era. I think she still is. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. She's been doing a lot of
Speaker 1: She's been like showing up. I mean, this was a
Speaker 1: few years ago. She like shoot up at Windy Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams talked about. I think it was either like I
Speaker 1: think she was a victim of breast cancer. She's dating
Speaker 1: Juliana Sang whoa never mind, Okay, I remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now we remember why she's relevant. Yeah, and that's that's
Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, she's like he's a really good guy.
Speaker 1: It's really nice inside. You know. Her poster was like
Speaker 1: all the dudes band lockers, you know, I was the
Speaker 1: only one who didn't have her and I found I
Speaker 1: believe it was Joan Collins from Dyna. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: a woman, of course, throw everybody off because the year
Speaker 1: was nineteen whatever. I'm not gonna say, but it was
Speaker 1: Joan Alexis Carrington. Yes, yes, but oh you know what
Speaker 1: this is. This is a beautiful connection. Is that Matt
Speaker 1: and I will constantly watch the Aloxis and um, caro
Speaker 1: d Carroll, I freaking that seems it's one of the best.
Speaker 1: What is it? She goes, it's petruscian bluga. No I
Speaker 1: prefer Patriciana. And then they say the champagne it's burn
Speaker 1: must have been burned in the bottle, it's been frozen
Speaker 1: to the bottle. And then and then it's just this
Speaker 1: moment of like and they don't even they don't even
Speaker 1: fight in that scene. They don't fight. It sets up
Speaker 1: a scene a few a few hours later where they
Speaker 1: do fight the bedroom. Common misconception about Dynasty they don't fight. Ever,
Speaker 1: they don't fight in every episode. It's real culture number nineteen.
Speaker 1: Common misconceptions. They don't fight in every episode. Um, but
Speaker 1: there there's But Diane Carroll does leave that scene saying
Speaker 1: for now the best scene ever. So that scene should
Speaker 1: be encased in gold. I don't know. I watched. I
Speaker 1: have watched that more times than I should write hundreds.
Speaker 1: I prefer Patrician. It's very good. What are you doing
Speaker 1: in Denver? Oh my god? It all takes place in Denver? Right,
Speaker 1: that's the stupidest, most unbelievable thing, as a Denver and
Speaker 1: like this would no place in Denver looks like this.
Speaker 1: No one dresses like this. And everyone in Denver's talking
Speaker 1: about like a mid Atlantic accent to why are they
Speaker 1: talking like that in Denver? There's no mansion like that
Speaker 1: in Denver. You're an artest model and what is it?
Speaker 1: That's what she goes wrong. I also like, she goes
Speaker 1: only small yachts, and you get sick yacht only small,
Speaker 1: And she goes what everybody's saying is true. You have
Speaker 1: the most beautiful condo and Denver, you're one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful ladies. And she goes, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. It's a perfect scene. We need
Speaker 1: a return of the soap. They really tried to bring
Speaker 1: back the soap with Empire and with Dynasty when they
Speaker 1: rebooted Dona, Right, they did reboot it. But the thing like,
Speaker 1: have you watched it? Have you seen any of it?
Speaker 1: Have you? So the thing is like, I guarantee it
Speaker 1: can't actually be like real camp, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like they're not doing real camp now. I guess Riverdale
Speaker 1: is like, is the closest thing we like heightened? But
Speaker 1: it's not. Well, maybe it is camp. No, because you're
Speaker 1: the you're the last word on camp. What is that camp?
Speaker 1: I'm the last pardon? I mean you should have seen
Speaker 1: him during the goddamn met Ball He was like, that's
Speaker 1: not camp. That's not when Metall was happening. I was
Speaker 1: at it was at work, and then it was me
Speaker 1: and Chay watching it together and I was explaining too.
Speaker 1: It was me, Lauren Mandel and Chain. I was like,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's going He's like, he's like he
Speaker 1: turns to me, He's like, is that good? I was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's bad. Actually it needs to be bad and it
Speaker 1: needs to be in poor taste, but like it needs
Speaker 1: to celebrate poort taste. So no, it's not on theme.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh god, I'm telling Michael Chay
Speaker 1: like whatever stuff. Um so who wasn't camp? I feel
Speaker 1: like most people weren't. It was Lena Dunham was camp.
Speaker 1: She looked like bad on purpose? Is anyone who looked
Speaker 1: bad on purpose? People who try to be like gay
Speaker 1: kind of misunderstood. I feel like, what's his face? Like, um,
Speaker 1: Ezra Miller? I thought Era Miller was camp. Don't know.
Speaker 1: I had like ten eyes, which I thought was camp.
Speaker 1: But I also think because there's like this weird thing
Speaker 1: where it's like no one really knows or kind of
Speaker 1: because even that definition that you're going by for camp
Speaker 1: is like Santag's definition of camp, and she doesn't define
Speaker 1: that word for everyone. That's her. That's her interpretation of
Speaker 1: what and what she says that it like it changes
Speaker 1: with the times and that it's yeah, it needs to
Speaker 1: be contextualized whenever. But we were talking. We we had
Speaker 1: an episode with Betty Gilpen and we discussed this for
Speaker 1: a little bit, which is like, um, you know, like
Speaker 1: the met Gallet takes itself so seriously that nothing it
Speaker 1: ever do can be camp, even if it calls itself camp.
Speaker 1: It's like, because it takes itself so seriously and we're
Speaker 1: gonna watch it with a critical it's not so they're
Speaker 1: getting photographed and it's like, how camp be am I
Speaker 1: gonna be? Because I really don't want my you know,
Speaker 1: I want to look just so Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like camping it up so much that everybody's like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with her mind? Totally well with Lena
Speaker 1: as she was wearing a tight silk bag of flower
Speaker 1: and like like elbow length gloves and just being like
Speaker 1: like that was kind of funny. It's like very the
Speaker 1: intention was all there. And what about Jared Leto, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked that sort of like that can't be, can't
Speaker 1: be anyway. But I thought holding her own head as
Speaker 1: you go into the met gartlet was camp. I wish
Speaker 1: it had been a puppet m could have his finger up.
Speaker 1: But something we've all thought about with Jared Lito and
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to say it. I'll be the
Speaker 1: first to say It'll be the first second. He actually
Speaker 1: is someone who I believe is so hot that he
Speaker 1: couldn't do it for me. He could take my head
Speaker 1: and slam it into a wall. Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: so hot. Jared Lee, though you know, I'm I agree
Speaker 1: with you. You know, there was a point, probably when
Speaker 1: I was younger, that I'd be like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, but now, oh honey, anything anything below forty'll do?
Speaker 1: I get that for me? For me, it's like I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, you know, he also has like a
Speaker 1: like a big big They say he has a big, big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big penis and that you can see it often in photos.
Speaker 1: And I'll talk about this apparently it's apparently it's like
Speaker 1: a damn elephants trunk. If you look at pictures of
Speaker 1: this stuff, you'll be very surprised to see how large
Speaker 1: that is. And um, he's the ranks among well. So
Speaker 1: once there's a there's a couple of photos that are like,
Speaker 1: look at these photos where you can tell that Jared
Speaker 1: Leto has a big cock, and it's like, I'm like
Speaker 1: a human being. So I'll just like like yes on that,
Speaker 1: and then I'll look at all the photos and I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: these photos would suggest he has a large penis. Also,
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is there's those John Ham
Speaker 1: photos too, right, thing is swinging around and it's like
Speaker 1: at this point, when you're in your florities, you know
Speaker 1: about your penis and if it's large, you know, so
Speaker 1: you wear underwear to like sport. You get the support,
Speaker 1: you get the shape where you pull it off. You
Speaker 1: know you don't unless, of course, you know it's that bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, well, I almost said if I
Speaker 1: have a big dick, that's hilarious what I do. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I would just let it probably swing to Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love the publicity. And it's it's that these people.
Speaker 1: It's that Jared and John aren't wearing their underwear. I
Speaker 1: feel that they are letting a fly disrespect. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. I actually have fine with it. But I'm
Speaker 1: always mortified when like someone says, like, um, like I
Speaker 1: did a show recently and someone said, people people are
Speaker 1: comment I'm sorry, really quickly. I want to speak on
Speaker 1: your behalf. I'm sorry, but people keep commenting on social
Speaker 1: media on Matt's moose knuckle, and it's got to stop.
Speaker 1: Moose knuckle. There you go. I have um is that
Speaker 1: like I wear tight pants? Let me see so up? Okay, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: now pull him up. Oh my god, James, Oh no,
Speaker 1: you don't have it unlets you pull it up. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but the thing is like, right now, I'm wearing boxer
Speaker 1: briefs and I've actually recently switched over to regular briefs.
Speaker 1: Are you is it a kay that we're talking about this? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to be I just have no restrictions.
Speaker 1: But but I did a show recently and for us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I watched the other day. Jared had
Speaker 1: never seen Bruno. So you ever seen Bruno? Is Sasha
Speaker 1: Barren Cohen. No, it's it's like you would really like it.
Speaker 1: He it's like Sasha. You've seen Borat? Oh God, come on,
Speaker 1: James Anders. James is truly he doesn't He's not beholden
Speaker 1: to any other Okay, so there's it's literally it's Sash.
Speaker 1: He plays like a German um German fashion. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so he like there's a scene where he is he
Speaker 1: has put together a TV pilot and um, they're like
Speaker 1: a focus group and these people have no idea what
Speaker 1: they're going to see, their real people and it's just
Speaker 1: him swinging and then and then the cop points to
Speaker 1: the screen and then this is why you'd like it. Funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. And then they go into say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what did you guys think of that? And it's real
Speaker 1: people and they're like, worst piece of crap I've ever
Speaker 1: seen that person's obviously very sick and like it's just
Speaker 1: so dick centric. And then he goes in and there
Speaker 1: like mortified. Anyway, we had to turn it off because
Speaker 1: Jared was like, I can't watch this anymore comfortable. I
Speaker 1: was so funny and no. Instead we watched The House
Speaker 1: Funny and he thought it was so funny when she goes,
Speaker 1: um here introduced yourself to me? When when she says
Speaker 1: the names I am Bowen. Yeah, yeah, it's her waynemonic device.
Speaker 1: Remember watching him discover that was so funny. I was like,
Speaker 1: you didn't you don't see you've never seen this funny
Speaker 1: with Anna Faris's very funny saying you know, but James
Speaker 1: is up on the gay culture. Remember the first thing
Speaker 1: we did the night we did meet you, we talked
Speaker 1: all we just talked about the dragons and we were like, girl, yes,
Speaker 1: come on, have you been watching it? You have watch
Speaker 1: every I watch every season and you know I have
Speaker 1: season was weak. You can say, can I say it?
Speaker 1: You can say that, um, well, you and I want
Speaker 1: it as weak as some of the weaker seasons. You
Speaker 1: and I would show up to work and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I just didn't watch. Um, I still sort of was
Speaker 1: there for it. Yeah, I mean I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: there for you know. There. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: You can really Oh my god, what I almost okay,
Speaker 1: forget it. Almost I almost called, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: can't even think her name has slipped my mind. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Okay, forget it. No, come on, you could
Speaker 1: finish it. I I almost slipped and called her another name,
Speaker 1: which is just dumb. We know, and you know what,
Speaker 1: the most acamic thing about her is her damn name. Rewinding,
Speaker 1: So just so I can finish this thought. I was
Speaker 1: recently told at a show that my dick had been
Speaker 1: showing the whole first half of the show, really and
Speaker 1: then somebody said somebody said it was called game show
Speaker 1: and I did it in Los Angeles with with Dave,
Speaker 1: and then he was like, you know, your dick is
Speaker 1: showing and I was like, okay, well the short and
Speaker 1: it was a pant but I was wearing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, and then someone said, well, we thought that's
Speaker 1: what you were going for. And I would never want
Speaker 1: people to think I was the type of gal who'd
Speaker 1: go up there with this thing swinging around, not that
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. No, and I think it is
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I don't think. I think like, did
Speaker 1: you see that the poster for that new show The
Speaker 1: Boys with Chase Comfort and his penis is out? Oh?
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I gotta see you gotta see
Speaker 1: it now and you want to see it? Um Amazon,
Speaker 1: it's on Amazon, the show and you see his butt
Speaker 1: two and the thing um So basically like, but I
Speaker 1: think that when you present penises, that's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm not like a fan of penises. You're stigmatizing ananomy. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, penis is not my favorite part
Speaker 1: of the man's body. What do you like? But back, chest, arms, face, face, hey,
Speaker 1: face hair hair hair hair hair hair. Um, then like
Speaker 1: penis like way down on the list after like knees
Speaker 1: and toes. You know what I like? What do you like?
Speaker 1: What do you like? I like? Do you like the blight?
Speaker 1: I like thick? I like, it's for real talking about
Speaker 1: the length, like length and thickness is okay. So the
Speaker 1: other day a pizza guy served me and his eyelashes
Speaker 1: so gorgeous that I fell in love with him, and
Speaker 1: then he took his break outside the window where I
Speaker 1: was eating my pizza, and I just stared at his
Speaker 1: eyelashes some more, and you know, huh, they were just gorgeous.
Speaker 1: They were like dough, big brown eyes. And then um,
Speaker 1: I went on to Amazon and I bought myself some
Speaker 1: eyelash growth gel. Yes, lash can go a long way,
Speaker 1: does Mike kevlong lashes? Oh? Yes? And that's beautiful beautiful
Speaker 1: blue eyes. Yes, blonde lashes. We have the gel you have?
Speaker 1: This is not this. This just reminded me that I
Speaker 1: need to put on some of the eye rollers. It's
Speaker 1: a deep puffer, but I want I need to put
Speaker 1: it all over because it's cooled right, It's like it's well,
Speaker 1: you keep it in the fridge. It is would you
Speaker 1: like to try? Have you ever have you always been
Speaker 1: someone that has like because only recently in the last
Speaker 1: year have I been someone who buys like like face
Speaker 1: creams and like stuff. Have you always been into that stuff?
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous because even in high school I would
Speaker 1: buy like under I creams, and I had learned I
Speaker 1: would listen like from a distance, like at the clean
Speaker 1: clinic counter. Yes, to go like this, you know with
Speaker 1: your ring fingers. But is that the ring finger, Yes,
Speaker 1: and both ring fingers. You rock them towards your nose
Speaker 1: and push up. But you know why, why is that?
Speaker 1: Because it's it's not putting, it's controlled pressure. It's not
Speaker 1: like if you're using your mile, your pink. It's too
Speaker 1: much like you have too much control, muscle control. Why
Speaker 1: was I worried about skin at sixteen? I mean I
Speaker 1: think I don't know. I think that's like a thing.
Speaker 1: Where are you from? What? Kentucky? Okay? So are you
Speaker 1: in the sun a lot? Oh? Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 1: But you know, you have people in your life being like,
Speaker 1: yea you certainty wong, you're gonna get all face. Well.
Speaker 1: I did keep a bottle of bendisol a jelly number
Speaker 1: four in the tool tractor box, and I would hide
Speaker 1: it under the tool and then I would put it on,
Speaker 1: slathered on, and then just go out and plow and
Speaker 1: turn on the radio. Turn on the radio, just listen
Speaker 1: to Donna Summer and get the sun and plow. If
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to do this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it my way. Yeah. So you were out there plowing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did all that stuff. I plowed, I cut tobacco, bailed. Hey,
Speaker 1: and I didn't really enjoy any of it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was the number one son of my father, so
Speaker 1: I was I was going to inherit the farm and
Speaker 1: work the farm. And everybody's like, you're gonna work part Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we don't work farm anderson happen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I go and when your MoMA goes farms yours and
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick up a farm and you're gonna rice
Speaker 1: crops and cows and tobacco, and you're gonna make sure
Speaker 1: that everyone that's left in the family has tucking curves. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then your son your biological soon yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you're logical when you have him with the non existent
Speaker 1: female that you're dating. Yeah, we'll take over that farm. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to know more about these these crazy, crazy,
Speaker 1: fun odd jobs that you had up until you like
Speaker 1: it started like until you were like doing like comedy writing,
Speaker 1: like like what like what was like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know this about you very much and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever you want to reveal. Okay. So I
Speaker 1: went to school to be you know, studied theater with
Speaker 1: miss Paula Pellas. That was the connection, and we're best
Speaker 1: friends So then I moved to New York to be
Speaker 1: a musical theater performer, and I did some I worked
Speaker 1: on cruise ships and um did cruise ships, did dinner
Speaker 1: theater all in New York? All well, no dinner theater.
Speaker 1: I did a lot away from New Yes, yes, but
Speaker 1: it was hilarious because I remember dinner theater like I did.
Speaker 1: I was casting a Vita as of course, like I
Speaker 1: got a lot of chorus and dancer, singer dancer. I
Speaker 1: was a singing dance and um, it was just revealed
Speaker 1: in the musical that Avita had died. And then the
Speaker 1: front row I just heard that, like you know, the
Speaker 1: clicking of forks and stuff, and then someone saying, you know,
Speaker 1: just passed me down over there they were finishing up
Speaker 1: and click click click and like after you know, Evita
Speaker 1: peron de yeah click click click click click, I'm not
Speaker 1: with my say then yeah yeah, and then requiem Atterrana
Speaker 1: don't know whatever the thing is saying. And so I
Speaker 1: did all that, and then while I was doing that, um,
Speaker 1: I had to have a little I did like catering,
Speaker 1: and I did um oh, I did sample sales. I
Speaker 1: would um yes, I would do these because she miss
Speaker 1: thing knows her fashion. You've known your fashion? Well, I
Speaker 1: you know what in the eighties the supermodels drew me on.
Speaker 1: You know, the Trenity. It was Naomi Lea and um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Christie Tarlton at least sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I used to buy Bizarre magazine for them. So
Speaker 1: this is right, This is before miss Cindy. She Cindy
Speaker 1: was there too, She was she Actually maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: Christie Turlington. It was Sindy and Linda. I feel like
Speaker 1: the trafic that does include Christie Turlington though, right, I
Speaker 1: want to say it does. Yeah, but they were all
Speaker 1: this is when this is like the birth of the supermodel,
Speaker 1: right yes, wow, And so that for you because you
Speaker 1: because you pepper in those fashion and I did fashion shows,
Speaker 1: I did back stage work at fashion, loved it. I
Speaker 1: was always peeking out to watch the walks. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: You you look at it on television and you think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're walking whatever. But that is like there's something powerful.
Speaker 1: It's crazy specstake yeah yeah, seriously, outfits aren't done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're being like like safety pinned on yeah yeah. Yeah. See.
Speaker 1: This is the thing about James is that you've you've
Speaker 1: seen the culture from all signs I want to I
Speaker 1: want to say the theater, the fashion, the film darling,
Speaker 1: all of that farm and from the farm to the runway.
Speaker 1: Um so farm too, runway, Oh my godm um. But
Speaker 1: we got to start this to runway. Honestly, that's for
Speaker 1: you guys to figure out. I think that big old
Speaker 1: at that Ivory tower, I think it's got to be
Speaker 1: a restaurant or it's got to bring something from the farm.
Speaker 1: And your your servers are marched out and they stomp
Speaker 1: the damn yard, clump it. They literally stomp the yard
Speaker 1: because it's set up like a barn, and so that
Speaker 1: the servers like stomp the yard and they walk over
Speaker 1: to you and they never say, oh fucking words. Of course,
Speaker 1: everything's ordered on an iPad. Yeah, it's ordered on an iPad.
Speaker 1: And then all the food is served at once. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They come out on masks. Yeah, and then the food
Speaker 1: is down. Yeah. I love. Actually the song has no words.
Speaker 1: It's like jo and they're like exactly, and they come in,
Speaker 1: drop it down and then everyone eats. Yes, sort of
Speaker 1: speaking of because this just reminds me of the Versace sketches.
Speaker 1: Was that you and Maya coming up with that together.
Speaker 1: That was Maya, me and Emily and I love that
Speaker 1: because I mean those I mean that was like near
Speaker 1: the beginning of my you know, yeah, how did it
Speaker 1: happen that? Because you weren't you were doing like theater
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you had already met Paula at school.
Speaker 1: Now how do you get to snl? Like, how does
Speaker 1: that happen? What got you into comedy? I'll tell you
Speaker 1: if you really want to, I do well. I did
Speaker 1: a little of this, okay, and I did a little
Speaker 1: and then I went a job and Lauren was like,
Speaker 1: you got it? Um no, I was friends with Paula
Speaker 1: and Paula I went to the musical route and Paula
Speaker 1: went to Florida and she got into some uh um
Speaker 1: was called it an ad lib troop ad libs, but
Speaker 1: she was she was doing you know, there was some
Speaker 1: television down there, and she was in a few pilots,
Speaker 1: and one pilot got into Lauren's hands and he called
Speaker 1: her up to audition. She auditioned, well, she did an audition.
Speaker 1: He just said, I want you to be a writer
Speaker 1: on the show. And she was scared to death and
Speaker 1: she took it. And of course she's iconic. She has
Speaker 1: all those characters under her belt. Um, from you know, cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: what were they the Spartans Spartans to Debbie Downer and
Speaker 1: all that. Anyway, so I started hanging out with her
Speaker 1: and um people met me and uh, Mike Shoemaker asked
Speaker 1: Paula if I could put a packet together because he
Speaker 1: was head writer at the time. Yeah. Now, Mike Shoemaker
Speaker 1: was a producer and I Jessie thought it was cute.
Speaker 1: He thought it would I think he thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: Whether that's you know, yes, well, you know whatever, it's
Speaker 1: well anyway, so he what did he do? He I
Speaker 1: put in a packet and in that packet was corn
Speaker 1: chip nail tips. And that was the first episode it
Speaker 1: got in. Yeah, and it was with my ratio and um,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, it was it's fashion, it's food,
Speaker 1: it's corn chip attitude, it's flavor on the run, it's
Speaker 1: corn chip nail tip fun. You know who I just
Speaker 1: met with, met and worked with a little bit was
Speaker 1: Anna Gustare. I fucking love her. She's amazing. She's also
Speaker 1: such a good writer. Yeah, singer well iconic, So her
Speaker 1: and um, Maya had the idea for Gemini's Twin. That
Speaker 1: was them and that that I worked on that with them,
Speaker 1: that that was like, that was and still sometimes somebody
Speaker 1: will post a video of that and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: these look great. Yeah they're so they still hold up
Speaker 1: to me like whack whack, ain't nothing but a flat jack.
Speaker 1: They're like they're on TRL and they're like and someone's like,
Speaker 1: what is this song about? Like, it's about it's about
Speaker 1: what a man does you wrong, and blula bla, and
Speaker 1: then then Anna goes, it's also about a pancake back fast,
Speaker 1: so so wait. So the thing with that was they
Speaker 1: always rotated out the third memory literally did I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it? Because basically, like there's a dance move that
Speaker 1: Lucy lu does that I have done in my show.
Speaker 1: I literally ripped it from her and shows and here
Speaker 1: it is, I'm gonna do it. He's taking the headphones off.
Speaker 1: So what Matt did reader was wide stands, bend down,
Speaker 1: asked up, fluttered his fingers spirit fingering my asshole, which
Speaker 1: literally she did in a sketch. And I literally I
Speaker 1: remember just like following back over my chair because I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe how explicit the movement luks and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is insane that Lucy lu just did it. It's
Speaker 1: about who Stewart is a I'm a Steward. Oh I
Speaker 1: push your card and push your card, bump them. I'm
Speaker 1: yeah and yes we love So it was so funny.
Speaker 1: So then you get there and it's really easy right away,
Speaker 1: it's so easy. It was a breathe and it gets
Speaker 1: easier as you go. Oh my god, do you still
Speaker 1: feel twenty years in like you're like, like, it's it's
Speaker 1: still like a stressful Oh, it's it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: the most amazing job on earth. You have to preface
Speaker 1: with that. But then it is also live and it's
Speaker 1: a weekly you know, adventure, and it is it is like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, when Friday and Saturday get there and then
Speaker 1: your thing doesn't work, Like say, it goes to dress
Speaker 1: and this is the worst case scenario. It goes to
Speaker 1: dress and it's dead and you're like, well, that thing
Speaker 1: is going to get cut. It was a piece of
Speaker 1: crap and it gets on and then between dress and
Speaker 1: air you're supposed to make it better as what's his name?
Speaker 1: Nix it and uh, it's the nerves kick in and
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this is really and I've never had this,
Speaker 1: but Paula did rewrite something and was putting it on
Speaker 1: cards and they were holding up the cards as she
Speaker 1: was making me. Yeah, I remember that. That's got to
Speaker 1: be insane. Yeah, I mean I had, I had. I've
Speaker 1: talked about this. I think I had. I had a
Speaker 1: moment like that. For the Christmas episode with Will. He
Speaker 1: and I wrote that Theresa May sketch, and Lauren like
Speaker 1: kept it in the show even though it was it
Speaker 1: was fine addressed, but he kept it in the show
Speaker 1: and he cut other sketches in favor of our sketch
Speaker 1: because he was like, they're going to show the some
Speaker 1: BBSO tomorrow, so we better, we better make this work.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay. So then Will and I
Speaker 1: are in the control room, Lauren's right there and basically
Speaker 1: like and then were you cutting it and cutting cutting
Speaker 1: it as the sketch was bought, and then they had
Speaker 1: to dump. They were counting dumping into it, dumping away
Speaker 1: from it, dumping away from it as we're making the
Speaker 1: attitude like we're dumping in and five four, and then
Speaker 1: they just jump out in the middle of Kate's line
Speaker 1: and then the audience, the plots, and it was truly
Speaker 1: like and then Will and I just look at each
Speaker 1: other and laugh, and Lauren's right there. And then later
Speaker 1: on that night, I'm out after party and then comes over.
Speaker 1: She's like, I just talked to Lauren and he said
Speaker 1: it was really entertaining to watch you and well and
Speaker 1: they control and in a way that she was. She
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he was like impressed but also
Speaker 1: entertained it how like maddening it was, and it was
Speaker 1: and like now I I've laughed at it since it happened.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what a crazy thing. Well, that's like if
Speaker 1: you're in that last spot, yeah, and you don't get cut,
Speaker 1: but then you have you have to cut two pages.
Speaker 1: You have a three minute sketch and you got to
Speaker 1: cut a minute out of it. It's like, huh, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is not going to make any sense, and
Speaker 1: I wish you would have just cut it. Yeah anyway,
Speaker 1: just you know, I could just walk out there and
Speaker 1: go it didn't work. I'm sorry, I'm in the contro
Speaker 1: I can figure out. So I'm nervously out here to
Speaker 1: life telling you nervously out of your life telling you
Speaker 1: that my sketch, I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to show it. I don't because I don't want to
Speaker 1: read all your reviews tomorrow, every person on earth who
Speaker 1: will review it tomorrow. Culture, you'll tweet about artist. The
Speaker 1: age of Twitter. It has to be so hard. Oh
Speaker 1: it's you know what it is different? You know how
Speaker 1: freaking old I am. And by the way I would
Speaker 1: look at men over forty I said that earlier, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's wrong with me? Just people over forty
Speaker 1: Radley appear Georgia Clooney, Georgia, Georgia. Yes, Um, And so
Speaker 1: what you're saying Twitter Now, when we first started, um,
Speaker 1: you would get eight track tapes of your scene and
Speaker 1: they would stack them up on the table and then
Speaker 1: you would go take this clunky thing and put it
Speaker 1: in and watch your scene to figure out what needed
Speaker 1: to be cut. Now it's all like on a server
Speaker 1: and right right. And then back then, you know, it
Speaker 1: was like you felt like it was the forties, the
Speaker 1: review came out, here's the paper. You know, they lovedays
Speaker 1: and right right, you know. But now it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody and their mother will have an opinion about and
Speaker 1: that's why as soon as your sketches done, you do
Speaker 1: Twitter search and you see what people are saying. No,
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I actually I fear if I
Speaker 1: was there, if I would do that, you probably I've
Speaker 1: done it. I've done it where once it goes up
Speaker 1: to YouTube at like three in the morning, like I'm
Speaker 1: an after party and right on my way home from
Speaker 1: after I pull it up on YouTube and I read
Speaker 1: the comments, and I'm just like, why did I do that?
Speaker 1: Why did I do? Yeah? I mean sometimes it's great,
Speaker 1: especially if you have something that you're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure that it played like I wanted or whatever,
Speaker 1: and and then you're like, I'm just going to peak
Speaker 1: and then people are like nice, They're like this is weird,
Speaker 1: which then you're like, oh, good, weird is great. Yeah yeah, yeah, good, good, good.
Speaker 1: Well we love weird. We love weird. And now we
Speaker 1: ask the question. Okay, so this is the question that
Speaker 1: we ask every single guest that comes on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Recess is what it's called UM, and the question is
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? This is the piece of pop culture UM
Speaker 1: that you felt like, if you look back on your life, like,
Speaker 1: is still that thing that you think may have defined
Speaker 1: you and sent you in a cultural direction? Well, this
Speaker 1: is there's two things I think um dance and music
Speaker 1: both played a big part. Because the first introduction to
Speaker 1: it was I went to my parents took me to
Speaker 1: Opera Land, which no longer exists, and it was a
Speaker 1: theme park that had a lot of shows with theme
Speaker 1: park entertainers, and I was so in love with the
Speaker 1: show called I Hear America Singing and I eventually auditioned
Speaker 1: for it. I snuck away, snuck. Can you snuck? Snucked?
Speaker 1: I snucked? I snucked away, snucked. Towards the audition, I
Speaker 1: walked in the door, snucking in all the way when
Speaker 1: when I had snuffed as much as I could snucked,
Speaker 1: you know, it's still there my way all the way
Speaker 1: up to the casting director her face and they still
Speaker 1: don't know him. There everything everything to do with school
Speaker 1: up when everyone's smoking door in the broad away intermission
Speaker 1: and snuck in anyway, So that was and I love that.
Speaker 1: And then I remember Gypsy, the movie with um with
Speaker 1: a how the movie was with Roslin Russell and oh god,
Speaker 1: what is her name? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, come
Speaker 1: on Oh god she died, would god she's dead. It's
Speaker 1: a culture number forty one. Natalie Wood is dead, thrown
Speaker 1: off a boat. It was we all know what, Christopher
Speaker 1: walk In Wagner. We're all right off that somebody, somebody snucker.
Speaker 1: This woman was snucked. All right, we've got all right,
Speaker 1: thank you all for this is obviously a snuck. I
Speaker 1: just I would like someone to snuck me. Oh you
Speaker 1: don't get snucked. Oh well, miss Johnson's the other one, honey, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so listen and Margaret and Margaret bye bye. She's actually
Speaker 1: a sligh in those okay, so you know how in
Speaker 1: by By Bredie the film, Yeah, there's the first thing
Speaker 1: where she's like, oh, being one of the girls. She's
Speaker 1: like she's like giving you like ainu like hopeful, and
Speaker 1: then at the end she kind of becomes like a
Speaker 1: bit of a strumpet, and it's like and then she's, okay,
Speaker 1: she's kind of like being more like I've grown during
Speaker 1: this film, right, I love that. And they even changed
Speaker 1: her makeup a little where she has a little bit
Speaker 1: more of like an eyebrow raise and she's like she's
Speaker 1: and Margaret was in some other like movie musical where
Speaker 1: she played at full full ho and it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I don't know that like um and Margaret Well. I
Speaker 1: love her number in Viva Las Vegas. Okay, it was
Speaker 1: to show me his appreciation. The thing is, she starts
Speaker 1: in Hell in dance shoots like the PC and she
Speaker 1: has a little rap and you know, if a woman
Speaker 1: is going to sing a song, come down the staircase
Speaker 1: and toss the rap. So she did that, so I'm
Speaker 1: in and then suddenly it becomes very bossa nova the Okay,
Speaker 1: she's in flats like at some point she went she went, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. We are taking these capezios off and I'm
Speaker 1: putting on my ballet slippers because we're doing something, and
Speaker 1: it just cuts to the flats. Yeah, but does she
Speaker 1: dance on the tables and ship and in this too,
Speaker 1: I know she's just doing I think she's just she's
Speaker 1: just doing boys. The boys are behind her and she's
Speaker 1: just in front, like and suddenly she's just in a
Speaker 1: leotard right the transition, the transition. I love boys in
Speaker 1: the back. Yeah, I'm just doing like like um Um
Speaker 1: like in Roxy even as Yeah, yeah, I love I
Speaker 1: love chorus boys. I guess and that was that was me.
Speaker 1: I wanted that, That's what I wanted. I mean, chorus
Speaker 1: boys met a coorse boy means like you are like
Speaker 1: a lot of snug and you're hot and snuck in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you had to stretch. You had to have stretched.
Speaker 1: You had to make sure those hammys were long and
Speaker 1: lean and could conk. You know, you had to crack
Speaker 1: punk at the audition or you were not getting it. Now.
Speaker 1: I at the point, at that point, I haven't sung
Speaker 1: in forever, but I had a good voice, so I
Speaker 1: would always be like, Okay, I'll get a call back
Speaker 1: for the singing for yes, the singer. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got a call back for the dancing. And then I thought,
Speaker 1: if I can just make it through that. And I
Speaker 1: was pretty good dancer, you know, but I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: like like you you are like you were probably like perfect,
Speaker 1: you are a perfect course boy, were tall, lean, and
Speaker 1: and then you could just move those limbs around grace.
Speaker 1: There were so many of them. Yeah, the chorus boys,
Speaker 1: you going. I had dreams of it. Oh, you had dreams.
Speaker 1: How did you meet Mike? Oh at a bath house? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it true? Oh? My god, is this true? She
Speaker 1: put her head on the table. Is this true? I
Speaker 1: love that it actually is true. Yeah, and I've had
Speaker 1: I've had some fun meet ups at bath houses and
Speaker 1: it happened and we grew too, we kept started dating
Speaker 1: and then I love I love this. Oh my god, girl,
Speaker 1: if you want to do what, I been to a
Speaker 1: bath house, because I always I always get I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't guess, I care. No, No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean I've never I've never been to a bath house,
Speaker 1: really saying I can find my husband there. People now
Speaker 1: do um the apps more? Well, yeah, bath houses might
Speaker 1: be having a combat because I've been to two in
Speaker 1: the last year. I went to one in Vancouver. When
Speaker 1: we were there, you were I think it was it
Speaker 1: was like you were like asleep. No see, but this
Speaker 1: is the thing you often do weird ship without me
Speaker 1: without telling me. Because I'm not gonna be like, do
Speaker 1: you want to come to the bath house? Not because
Speaker 1: it would both be us, like we can split up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna embarrass you. Okay, So you so this I
Speaker 1: can't believe. While we were in Vancouver, you up and
Speaker 1: went to a bath house and didn't tell me, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You and I can't share a hook up,
Speaker 1: but for some reason we can go to a bath.
Speaker 1: How you Yeah, I don't want to hook up with
Speaker 1: the same person as you wanted to go to a bath.
Speaker 1: You can go over there and I'll go over here.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's weird that you didn't say you
Speaker 1: were going. What is sharing a hook up? Like the
Speaker 1: same estim the same at different times? Yes, yeah, like
Speaker 1: like okay, I'm I'm you have done this person, and
Speaker 1: then a few months later like oh no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't the situation. The situation was Bowen and
Speaker 1: I were hooking up with someone and I was hooking
Speaker 1: up with him first, and then it became apparent to
Speaker 1: me that they were flirting, and I said, okay, well
Speaker 1: you can hook up with him. I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to anymore. And I told the kid that I felt
Speaker 1: this way and he said, I understand, I won't do it,
Speaker 1: and then they did it anyway, So what Yes, that
Speaker 1: is to go on a day and it's like fine
Speaker 1: in you said fine, you did it, and then the
Speaker 1: day after I was so racked with guilt that I
Speaker 1: told you was like, hey, your progative thing you should
Speaker 1: have stayed away. Okay, James, James is the arbiter in
Speaker 1: this and anything I know. I think I agree you do.
Speaker 1: I did. I did, I did. I did a bet thing.
Speaker 1: I did not do it. But I will not apologize
Speaker 1: for going to the bath house without you because I
Speaker 1: would have felt uncomfortable. It's not that I wanted to
Speaker 1: go with you. It's that it's weird that you went
Speaker 1: without telling me you were going. It's not and we
Speaker 1: were there together. I probably was like, where's Bowen? You
Speaker 1: were literally asleep? No, I wasn't literally Yes. Did they
Speaker 1: have entertainment? They did not have entertainment like music videos? Wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Ages ago? You know, armed
Speaker 1: at whatever? The Continental baths? What is that like? Because
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It seems like you're you
Speaker 1: have a focus when you go there, and you're not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sit here in my towel and listen
Speaker 1: to Buck Yeah, or a yodeler or a yo yodeler.
Speaker 1: That would be bad. Yettle, Oh, the first time you've
Speaker 1: ever ever tried. I think he's got it. It's rock.
Speaker 1: You forget the farm sent a classical channel. We've got
Speaker 1: to market you as a gay yodeler. We got to
Speaker 1: put this to a beat. Oh my god. Imagine also
Speaker 1: like you can wear like gorgeous like later hosing, but
Speaker 1: like some sort of like fashion. Take on it. Come
Speaker 1: on a symmetrical like yeah, dig ours deconstructed. Can you
Speaker 1: yodel and say yeah queen on a screen? No screen, screen,
Speaker 1: you get it? Come on that range. I'm a tenor,
Speaker 1: I'm a solid tendor. I don't think you know it's
Speaker 1: not I don't know my range, I don't know my notes.
Speaker 1: I never I like you, uh, probably not even as
Speaker 1: seriously as as but I dip my toe into trying
Speaker 1: to do musical theater a little bit. I ended up
Speaker 1: realizing that nothing made me more nervous than those because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's not a lot of like a
Speaker 1: room for and this is probably not true. It's just
Speaker 1: not a skill I naturally possessed. When you're auditioning for
Speaker 1: musical theater, there's not a lot of like um availability
Speaker 1: to be spontaneous in the audition. You kind of have to, like,
Speaker 1: I just felt I'm also like I can sing, but
Speaker 1: I'm not like a trained class singer, like whereas some
Speaker 1: of those musical theater guys, like you hear them warming
Speaker 1: up and you're like, there's also like eight bars like bars,
Speaker 1: and you gotta hit them. And then there's a table
Speaker 1: they're just sitting there looking at your resume. It's really
Speaker 1: like demoralizing. Yeah, it's like that stereotype of show biz
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you're like, no one's looking at me.
Speaker 1: I'm up here doing eight bars like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: watching six Yeah, wanting to kill yourself? Yeah, going, why
Speaker 1: did I choose this dumb song? It's not a dumb
Speaker 1: songs And every song I ever tells productions, I was like,
Speaker 1: why did I do that? Like one time for an audition,
Speaker 1: I sang Sunday Morning, the stupidest I've ever done. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just felt like I'm so in
Speaker 1: control of like myself when I do like comedy stuff
Speaker 1: for acting stuff, and then when it's like musical theater
Speaker 1: or something, all all my like like ability, and though
Speaker 1: I could see you, like especially one of these new
Speaker 1: musicals are so like the and they don't have that
Speaker 1: Broadway The Broadway voice has changed. No, it's totally different,
Speaker 1: Like I, um, you know, like I really wanted to
Speaker 1: audition for a Book of Mormon. But then in order
Speaker 1: to be in the chorus for that, you have tap
Speaker 1: and I can't. Damn, I'm on the mover. I'm not
Speaker 1: like it's a dance studio just down that, so I
Speaker 1: shouldn't rull in class, tap tap clap um. But like
Speaker 1: that Andrew Reynolds part, I feel like would be really um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean it's just I find them
Speaker 1: so nerve racking. Those auditions like scary, like nothing else
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced. This is when I thought, oh, it's
Speaker 1: happening for me. I did it off Off Noise, off
Speaker 1: off Broadway and it was called box Office of the Damned,
Speaker 1: and Christian Channawith wasn't it. It was her first gig.
Speaker 1: What really, box Office of the Damned together? This is huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know she when you heard her in that,
Speaker 1: you were like, oh this girl, this girl is going
Speaker 1: from the University of Oklahoma. Yeah. And you know, they
Speaker 1: kept saying we're going to move it to off Broadway,
Speaker 1: and I kept I had my fingers crossed. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's happening. I thought maybe because she was there, they
Speaker 1: would that it would ride well. I thought everybody in
Speaker 1: the cast was so brilliant. There were some old school
Speaker 1: Broadway people in it, and there was another girl in
Speaker 1: there that had the craziest belt. I cannot think of
Speaker 1: her name, but just an amazing voice on a gost
Speaker 1: ire young who went by you know, Kristen Stone. I'm
Speaker 1: Kristen Stone. But you know, that was something that I
Speaker 1: was always like, Oh do you do you miss? Did
Speaker 1: you miss like the theater like company like feel of it?
Speaker 1: Like I do I miss? Like there is sort of
Speaker 1: a family feeling, but there's also and when you are
Speaker 1: rehearsing something and you're like, I'm the wheek like in that.
Speaker 1: I really did feel like I am the weak link
Speaker 1: in this thing and you're I also was playing a
Speaker 1: character that I was like, I don't really relate to
Speaker 1: who I'm playing, and uh and so I I always
Speaker 1: felt like I was trying harder than everyone else. They
Speaker 1: all just kind of were floating around and doing a
Speaker 1: great job, and I was out there really are working
Speaker 1: it down, chewing it up, trying to make it work.
Speaker 1: You're probably fabulous. It's just that I got great reviews.
Speaker 1: You got good reviews. I don't know. Somebody liked it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember his name. I think he's dead now,
Speaker 1: damn another death Natalie would and that Natalie she reviewed
Speaker 1: it snucked good. Yeah, they snug that review out before
Speaker 1: I could make any changes to it. Oh, I do
Speaker 1: want to say, I'm sorry, I'm still talking about the
Speaker 1: bath houses. But oh, let's go back. I love it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have I think, I really because you know what,
Speaker 1: and this is the thing. This is like the this
Speaker 1: is the modern day thing of Bette Midler performing at
Speaker 1: the Condonal Baths. Um Nympho Wars just did a live
Speaker 1: podcast recording at a sex Are you serious? And it's
Speaker 1: called the Fisting Special Casting Special. It's another podcast, fabulous podcast, wonderful,
Speaker 1: artful podcast. They had a Hammel and Macy Rodman but
Speaker 1: they um did this whole show at at a sex
Speaker 1: party and like no one was paying attention. How do
Speaker 1: you not say attention to podcast recording? Will explain the
Speaker 1: bath house? Like, I actually don't know what the layout.
Speaker 1: I guess they're all different, but like what happens then
Speaker 1: general layout? You walk in, you show your I d's,
Speaker 1: it's you get a stamp at a tank top. No literally,
Speaker 1: they give you a key like a little phone cord
Speaker 1: like a coiled little thing. That's your locker. And then
Speaker 1: you know, you take your stuff in. You either you
Speaker 1: either pay for a locker or you pay for a
Speaker 1: private room where there's a little cubby there. You change
Speaker 1: out into whatever you want to wear. If it's nothing great,
Speaker 1: if it's a jocks. Do they give you a contraceptive,
Speaker 1: you can buy them. Okay, they give you a towel.
Speaker 1: They give you a towel, and that sometimes can be
Speaker 1: a contraceptive. What I do is the towel towels. Well,
Speaker 1: the towels are always see through. They're not plush. They've
Speaker 1: been washed over and over bleached into transparency and losing hose.
Speaker 1: And then you can walk around, check out the trade,
Speaker 1: the trade. There's a hot tub, there's a pool, people
Speaker 1: talking or is it mostly silence? Silence? But others sometimes
Speaker 1: people are talking about you know, where are you from?
Speaker 1: How are you? And then and then with me, it's
Speaker 1: normally the people you don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: It's always the people you don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: that are like the most inquisitive. Yes, And then there's
Speaker 1: rooms that play. Is it a large space depends on
Speaker 1: the depends on what's the popular one in New York
Speaker 1: that I'm going to go to. I don't know the
Speaker 1: Turkish ones, but those are those are like general public,
Speaker 1: but then like Thursdays or Sundays or like the men only. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's never been. I've never been. I don't think anything.
Speaker 1: Sometimes some some cruising stuff happened the Turkish bath Turkish
Speaker 1: baths in the East Village. But now, like I feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, before the Equinox show went down, like the
Speaker 1: modern like modern gay sort of cruising scene is just
Speaker 1: in the steam room. Yeah, and sex happens there, and
Speaker 1: sex happens there with steam, with steam? Are you got
Speaker 1: all your pores open? Sound like a true baby? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I just feel like I would pass out. Yeah, I'm hot,
Speaker 1: and then I'm getting all flustered and the next thing
Speaker 1: you know, I'm lying on the damn ground to damn ground.
Speaker 1: I'm laying on the damn ground, lying on the damp ground,
Speaker 1: and someone's gonna have to call what on Someone's gonna
Speaker 1: have to call nine one one stat honey because I
Speaker 1: got snucked on the ground. Or three one one who
Speaker 1: is this bitch? Or four one one Get a damn clue?
Speaker 1: I feel like it'sbestos that's what I'm calling three one
Speaker 1: one I'm calling I'm calling a building violation. Damn damn,
Speaker 1: I really do think I'm I'm just gonna come out
Speaker 1: and say I'm a big bath house boy. I don't
Speaker 1: go to them that often. Bath house boy Denver swim
Speaker 1: club in Denver's fabulous, because like I'll go home to
Speaker 1: Denver and like sometimes I'll like chat up guys and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I can't, you can't come over. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go over to your stupid apartment the
Speaker 1: damn house. Well that is the good thing about it
Speaker 1: is you can, you know, try the trade out. You
Speaker 1: try the trade out, and then you then you get
Speaker 1: to know their personality. There you go and then you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that worked out. Okay, so now tell me a story.
Speaker 1: Are you hot? Can we talk? How are you as
Speaker 1: a storyteller? Exactly? Then that I'm going to sit here
Speaker 1: and now I need to be entertained. Kill me, spin
Speaker 1: me a damn tail after you're done with Matte fable me.
Speaker 1: Friend of mine went to Berlin and said that was insanity, like, well,
Speaker 1: some sort of I guess it was a bath house
Speaker 1: but he had all different kinds of rooms, like it
Speaker 1: seems very German to me that you would categorize your
Speaker 1: rooms like this room. This room is just anal oh yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And he walked through because he was looking for his boyfriend.
Speaker 1: He and his boyfriend went together and he got splashed
Speaker 1: with lube, no extra loop. He gets splashed with extra lube.
Speaker 1: But how did he know that? It wasn't well, it
Speaker 1: could have been anything, could have been anything. It could
Speaker 1: have been anything, but it went and like, oh god,
Speaker 1: now now let me ask you this. Come on, I
Speaker 1: hope Michelle Obama is not listening. I don't think she is.
Speaker 1: I think she listens to other podcasts like Two Dope Queens.
Speaker 1: I think she listens to Guys We Fucked. I think
Speaker 1: she listens to you talking about I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: lube that when somebody pulled out it flicked. O. Lord,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be some real water based stuff. And now
Speaker 1: you're asking, like what kind of lube that might be?
Speaker 1: If it? If it, I'm interested because if it's silicone based,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna splush. So it's either a
Speaker 1: water based or it's I don't even you know, there's
Speaker 1: probably you know, it's modern times. I think if it
Speaker 1: was calm, he would have known bo it's stuck. But
Speaker 1: know I had that well what was it called it cold? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't remain cold because it's been in the
Speaker 1: warmest place on Earth depends on the kind of lube.
Speaker 1: The warmest place. That's what they call my asshole Disney
Speaker 1: World's the happiest place on the warmest place on earth
Speaker 1: is my asshole, asshole, my yes, my yesh. Maybe do
Speaker 1: that in yodle my asshole, my assholes on it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's a water based lube. Basically talk about
Speaker 1: lube a lot. Yeah, we talked about the thing is
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't jack off with lube.
Speaker 1: And then I heard someone someone said to me, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what, No, it's just it's extra business.
Speaker 1: I would also think it's a waste of the loop exactly.
Speaker 1: But somebody literally to me like they never jack off.
Speaker 1: Act like you're you're doing like you're going to do
Speaker 1: something bad to your member. Yeah, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: check your skin because mine's just fine. When I'm a
Speaker 1: tug and check your skin. Lout is expensive. Hello, I
Speaker 1: use Kram de mare, I onate with petruscan baluga two
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, a little bottle of Lamire to jack off
Speaker 1: with its seven I'm the share of jacking off. I
Speaker 1: only use lamare bitch, fucking share bitch? Oh did you
Speaker 1: Share show? Yeah? I was supposed to see it, but
Speaker 1: then that was the night at the blackout he was
Speaker 1: supposed to bowen. Yank's father is a huge Share fan.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh he's not a fan of homosexual really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how that is? That is a very large dichotomy that
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's not so funny and iranic.
Speaker 1: I don't have it in me to tell him that
Speaker 1: like shares a gay icon. But he just likes her
Speaker 1: music and out of context, has no idea what Share
Speaker 1: means culturally. But it's like, I love her music. He
Speaker 1: loves Believe, he loves that whole album. He likes auto tune,
Speaker 1: he loves auto tune, he loves give Me Right remember
Speaker 1: that song? Does he like a lot of Share songs? No?
Speaker 1: I mean we just we just had that album, like
Speaker 1: my mom bought at a yard sale in Canada, in Montreal,
Speaker 1: and we just like played it. I remember like, like
Speaker 1: Princess died just oh god the year. Let me set
Speaker 1: the scene. Princess Die is dead, Natalie. She died when
Speaker 1: I was at a club. Princess Diana couldn't happen. It
Speaker 1: happened when I was at some brand new club and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, one of these gay clubs. And then it
Speaker 1: just you know, there was there wasn't social media, so
Speaker 1: I just went through just everybody whispering, and finally you
Speaker 1: just saw a lot of guys trying to dance through tears. Oh,
Speaker 1: such an icon. I think, I don't. I think we
Speaker 1: don't realize. We don't realize that that like, well she
Speaker 1: was like speaking out about AIDS or yeah, and really
Speaker 1: and when that happened, you were just like, oh, and
Speaker 1: then I you know, I didn't know I felt one
Speaker 1: way or another about her, but when it happened, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize how much she actually meant because she was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is speaking out about the AIDS from like like
Speaker 1: a former member from like royalty. Huge deal. And then
Speaker 1: like and then yeah, you don't realize how much she
Speaker 1: what she stood for in this community that she wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily a part of, but she advocated for anyone to
Speaker 1: do that. She just stood up and did it, you
Speaker 1: know for sure, and then for us, For me, it
Speaker 1: was just like this beautiful woman. Honestly, I did kind
Speaker 1: of dialogue onto yeah, right right. I think I understood
Speaker 1: that she was important to people in England, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know but to the gays like she like
Speaker 1: could you imagine? I mean, But also it's just weird
Speaker 1: to think about these people as like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is different in random But I was recently like I
Speaker 1: like felt in like a Wikipedia wormhole and I stumbled
Speaker 1: upon Brittany Murphy's Wikipedia Brittany Murphy passed away. That's like
Speaker 1: it's so crazy under such bizarre circumstances and like so young,
Speaker 1: like ever, well, that that's the thing is that I
Speaker 1: was actually looking up what it was and she died
Speaker 1: of pneumonia and the toxicology report said that it was
Speaker 1: mostly natural causes. But also, and I think this is
Speaker 1: a little bit throw people off multiple drug intoxication. But
Speaker 1: then as you read more, people would write that off
Speaker 1: as being like, oh, well, she was a drug addict,
Speaker 1: and there were rumors of that because she had lost
Speaker 1: a lot of weight um as she got a little
Speaker 1: bit older. But then her husband died of the same thing,
Speaker 1: and um, then there was rumors about black mold being
Speaker 1: in their house, and I think that and and then
Speaker 1: apparently there there has been um reports that confirmed that
Speaker 1: there were some type of mold in their house and
Speaker 1: that the multiple drug intoxication was not because she was
Speaker 1: abusing drugs, but because she was taking a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to try to get better. So I think that
Speaker 1: that might have been what happened was her and her
Speaker 1: husband were very sick because something was sucked up in
Speaker 1: their home. And um, that's what throws people off as like,
Speaker 1: oh they were they must have been on drugs, and
Speaker 1: the celebrities, etcetera. But I think that they were very
Speaker 1: sick and it was a lot over the counter stuff
Speaker 1: that she that was in her system. And then there
Speaker 1: was weird rumors. Her father, who was a strange for
Speaker 1: her mother, made these strange allegations that like her mother
Speaker 1: had poisoned them and like really weird stuff, which I
Speaker 1: think spun it all offensive directions, But I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's ever really come forward and said this is what happened.
Speaker 1: But reading it, my gauge is that something was going
Speaker 1: on in their house where they both had the same
Speaker 1: ailments like that had to be atmosphere. I'm no fucking doctor,
Speaker 1: I'm only a snook. But you know, well, at least
Speaker 1: she didn't get thrown off a boat, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: or worse, Yeah, or worse, you know, sucked up in
Speaker 1: a tornado like build, like a like food. Remember the
Speaker 1: scene in the beginning of Twister, Yeah, where the gut
Speaker 1: with Dad gets sucked up on the twister. What a
Speaker 1: horrific death. Horrific to go there. You hate to see it.
Speaker 1: There were there are fates worse than death. What the
Speaker 1: funk happened to Natalie would We'll never know? That had
Speaker 1: to be. I just want to believe she got tipsy
Speaker 1: and fell off, But I don't know. I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: that that happens on boats have all the time. But
Speaker 1: then for them to I don't know, it sounds weird
Speaker 1: fishy to me. Christopher Walking has a blood on his hands.
Speaker 1: And with that thought, it's time it's time to move
Speaker 1: on to I don't think so honey. So here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I Don't Think so Honey is our segment that we
Speaker 1: do on every episode of this podcast. We just called
Speaker 1: Lost Culture rests um. It is a one minute rant
Speaker 1: on pop culture. We take something in pop culture, or
Speaker 1: culture at large, or life in general that we are
Speaker 1: not necessarily liking too much, and we take one minute
Speaker 1: to dress that thing down with the words I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Um, I have something. Okay, I have something.
Speaker 1: It's a little specific, he said, here we go. It
Speaker 1: just came to I don't think Sonny's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. That goddamn Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Speaker 1: Don't make me look down while I'm walking. I want
Speaker 1: to see where I'm going. Now I look down and see,
Speaker 1: you know, Tommy Chong's name on a tile. Okay, honey,
Speaker 1: Hollywood Walk of Fame. You're on the worst street in
Speaker 1: all of the world too. Why do I why? Why
Speaker 1: is it gonna be a fucking vape store everywhere I
Speaker 1: go nowadays? This is trash, terrible. I want to be
Speaker 1: able to go to the damn on you without seeing
Speaker 1: the name of our president, Donald J. Trump. Boo for shame, shame.
Speaker 1: Where's the committee the community board to destroy that one? Hud?
Speaker 1: And you know what Hollywood Walk of Fame. I used
Speaker 1: to want to I used to I had a little
Speaker 1: gay boy dream of having my name on you. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be on you at all. It would
Speaker 1: be the biggest shame of my life if, if, if
Speaker 1: you decided to put me on you Darling okay, officially
Speaker 1: on record does not want Hollywood welcome, which actually is
Speaker 1: fine because you know those things are paid for. Ye,
Speaker 1: you're like agents by them, right. I mean? Also that
Speaker 1: is there's no good spots left. Yeah. Oh god, that starts,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging them from wires. Yes. I would love
Speaker 1: a little mobile movement. Yeah, come on, give me a
Speaker 1: Hollywood move Put me on a drone, around me around. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my little plaque on a drone. Fly it sideways so
Speaker 1: that you know people see it, bramp Yeah, flying around.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm ready to go, Ready to go.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. Don't think so many as time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. But death penalty, yeah,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have it. It shouldn't be up to us.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, because guess what it's costing
Speaker 1: us taxpayer dollars to say, let's put someone in the
Speaker 1: damn chair and hit the button. Bitch. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, because guess what, we're using good rope to
Speaker 1: hang these people. We can be using this rope for
Speaker 1: boxing rings. Get these men in jail, put them in there,
Speaker 1: put them rehabitlets it in the goddamn ring, goddamn ring.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that penalty. I am a
Speaker 1: liberal goddess. I think that we should absolutely not be
Speaker 1: killing men. And I have heard eye nine eye that's
Speaker 1: the way they say no in Australia. Guess what I
Speaker 1: don't think, so, honey, the death penalty. Guess what if
Speaker 1: you killed someone you rotten, don't think about it for
Speaker 1: the rest of your goddamn a life. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see the light, girl, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: the light. Continue you to say in your eyes, you
Speaker 1: know what you did? You think I what you did for?
Speaker 1: I don't think yes, Come on, wow, the energy. I
Speaker 1: loved the energy. Political fish, don't you think? And now,
Speaker 1: actually I just got a text that lawmakers in Tennessee
Speaker 1: have changed their have reversed their position on what the abolished.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're not gonna do it anymore. Look, no,
Speaker 1: that home when we stopped him, always stopped him. And
Speaker 1: we can't do. I took my daughter down there to
Speaker 1: the courthouse and I had her do it cheer and
Speaker 1: it was about abolishing the death penalty, and she went,
Speaker 1: D E A T H, let's abolish it. But she
Speaker 1: didn't say, let's abolish it. And then they decided with
Speaker 1: the abolished death. Yeah, you're saying shit. I know she
Speaker 1: said abolish it, but her out at that point they said,
Speaker 1: just get rid of her. Well, we're not going to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, we don't want to hear her do
Speaker 1: it anymore. And her life. So I lost her her
Speaker 1: life to spare all the others. They were like, we're
Speaker 1: going to take your life, honey, but unfortunately took her life.
Speaker 1: But she's she's a messiah. I feel really good about
Speaker 1: my aunt. I feel really good. I think she's so proud.
Speaker 1: I feel great about yours. It's gonna make me feel
Speaker 1: awful about just now. You know that's my at least
Speaker 1: savorite energy. Come on, James, James Anderson, my least favorite
Speaker 1: energy energy. Oh god, James, I think I think you
Speaker 1: might have something. I'm going to try something. I'm realizing
Speaker 1: that one minute is a long time. That's longer than
Speaker 1: you think. But it's just long enough to get all
Speaker 1: your thoughts. I'm thinking that content wise, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, so maybe I should do it
Speaker 1: as Marilyn Monroe. So I love that, so that there's
Speaker 1: something and you know, I don't have a great Marilyn Monroe,
Speaker 1: but it will make me feel like that. Honestly, Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe had barely had a good Marilyn Honey there. She
Speaker 1: was normal Jean in her real life and people don't
Speaker 1: know it's actually real culture number four, she was normal
Speaker 1: Gene in life. Marilyn Monroe was a character. Yes, that
Speaker 1: was an affect. Actually she wrote poetry, did it was
Speaker 1: good poetry as Norma Jeane, as Norma Jeane. But I
Speaker 1: think it's under Marylyn Monroe. But I think it's from
Speaker 1: her heart. You know, it's from her heart. Actually love
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe. Have you ever seen the movie In My
Speaker 1: Week with Maryland? Michelle will isn't it? And she says,
Speaker 1: she says to Eddie Redmaid, shall I be her? And
Speaker 1: she says Maryland? And then she goes out in front
Speaker 1: of the press and she is Maryland. Amazing to great
Speaker 1: actress that Michelle Williams actually nuwelve, great actress, Michelle Get
Speaker 1: ready for this, Get ready for this. We've got a
Speaker 1: new Maryland iconic performance from James Anderson is. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many time starts now, I didn't think so, Henny.
Speaker 1: You may think it's cute to put something on the
Speaker 1: back of your toilet taint to decorate it, but I
Speaker 1: don't think so. The only thing that belongs there fresh
Speaker 1: flowers or maybe perhaps a crystal. Don't put some sort
Speaker 1: of what not scenario like straw or anything purus like
Speaker 1: you know, straw, jaws or yarn. Don't do that, because
Speaker 1: when a lady sits to pippy, she has to think
Speaker 1: what is going on behind me? What is all this
Speaker 1: jump behind me? And then when a man stands to peek,
Speaker 1: he could splatter on it, and that's no good. What
Speaker 1: I don't think about is that, so, Honey, really put
Speaker 1: any sort of collection or doll or anything that can
Speaker 1: gather dust and back your gelatic that was fully embodied.
Speaker 1: Oh good, it was Marylyn. Marilyn was here, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't believe she would raise her voice
Speaker 1: more than that. I don't think so. No, she was no,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my God, that got me through
Speaker 1: it better than you know. I think that you made
Speaker 1: the right decision. I also think I can understand from
Speaker 1: her point of view why she wouldn't like it too.
Speaker 1: I can't say why. Well. I went to a coffee
Speaker 1: shop the other day and they had artificial flowers toilet
Speaker 1: the toilet and it was covered in dust, thick layers
Speaker 1: of dust. And I'm like m And you know what
Speaker 1: it makes you think? If if these are dusty, right, anyone,
Speaker 1: anyone worth their salt who works there comes in and
Speaker 1: sees the flowers or dusty and cleans it. So that
Speaker 1: makes me think, how many times do they clean this breathroad?
Speaker 1: So can't you just shake it off? Yeah? Right, pull
Speaker 1: those dusty flowers out? Dusty flowers. That's my name, that's
Speaker 1: my drag name. I'm so happy we found dusty flowers.
Speaker 1: I have diffused on my toilet. Is that okay? I
Speaker 1: think anything like that is good. I think a good book,
Speaker 1: not the Bible, well maybe the Bible. No, No, I
Speaker 1: think a nice Bible. Did you wipe your ass? No?
Speaker 1: Maybe not No, No book? Diffuse's okay, Candles okay, it's
Speaker 1: a cent. Yeah. I think anything that makes you feel like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in a clean spa. There you nothing that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the like I don't know a nativity or
Speaker 1: like or like a bunch of barbies, like having a conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just have an entertainment weekly from No not, I
Speaker 1: have a national inquirer from that, says Jennifer Addison ate
Speaker 1: her toe and that's what's on my toilet? Did Jennifer
Speaker 1: Addison eat her toes? Is this a real I wish
Speaker 1: it was? Did Brad Pitt is gay? Did Brad Pitt is?
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt is gay? George Cody Monster Drama? George Cody?
Speaker 1: Yetty up in here? Yet? Up in here? Mark Helgenburger
Speaker 1: is a cake? You guys? This is live, right, this
Speaker 1: is live. This is live. This is beaming out two millions.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take some We're gonna take some calls now, okay,
Speaker 1: first call, Hello, Hi, how are you? I have a question?
Speaker 1: Go ahead and ask where here was James Anderson, Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang and Matt Rogers. I have a question for Bowen
Speaker 1: and Matt. Sure what you're signs? We're both water signs.
Speaker 1: Can you guess? Are you an astrology person? Yes? I
Speaker 1: am okay, thank god, okay, so okay, water. We're both
Speaker 1: water into an after I don't think something. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's sosive. That makes you're both Aquarius, you're both Pisces.
Speaker 1: I'm Pisces and you what's the less scorpio Scorpio? Mr
Speaker 1: Miss Julio Torres is an aquarius. You know who's a
Speaker 1: Scorpio and who's the queen Scorpio is Miss Sudie Green Scorpions.
Speaker 1: RuPaul herself is a Scorpio. I am Pisces, Pisces rising
Speaker 1: cancer Moon. I'm water water water water. I started crying.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a homebody too, aren't you does
Speaker 1: At times I'm a little bit of home body when
Speaker 1: I when I'm I'm an extrovert and when I'm out,
Speaker 1: I'm like out. But when I'm home, it's like it
Speaker 1: has to be you, like it to be your next Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about you, miss thing? I am a liberal? Oh
Speaker 1: that tracks That means that you are measuring the scales.
Speaker 1: It's stable and like measured and like just just I
Speaker 1: don't know, is that is that fair? Yeah? And like
Speaker 1: really good about listening to others and like weighing it
Speaker 1: out for them, But I really wishy washy when it
Speaker 1: comes to our thing. You know, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to figure anything out. What's your partner sign? He's cancer cancer,
Speaker 1: that's nice. Yeah, cancers are cancers are loving? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you data water sign? Date married too? Yeah, married too.
Speaker 1: You know you're rising in your moon? My rising is Sagittarius.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what my moon is. Great Sagittarius. If
Speaker 1: you're right, If you're rising Sagittarius, that's downward projecting out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: co star. I mean it's also not great because they
Speaker 1: I guess they steal a lot from other astroll which
Speaker 1: one this app called Costar. But but our friend Joel
Speaker 1: was telling me that it's like we've we talked about
Speaker 1: this on the pod where it's like they're like the
Speaker 1: fun Jerry of astrology where they just take other people's
Speaker 1: work and they just like, what about that app it's
Speaker 1: called um oh shoot, somebody was talking, oh god, it
Speaker 1: was What does it do it? It gives you your
Speaker 1: day by day but um, all it does is take
Speaker 1: your your information like the time you were born, month, whatever.
Speaker 1: But what who was it? There was no god? Who
Speaker 1: was in magic? Mike? What's the guy Tatum was talking
Speaker 1: about it. I can't think of the name of it.
Speaker 1: It might be Costar. My horoscope today says, no need
Speaker 1: to be so polite. Oh, I haven't been ployed at all. Mindset, mindset,
Speaker 1: and so I opened my eyes today. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's it's done. I mindset, take yourself to a movie today.
Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely not. Tell nothing's out. Tell them
Speaker 1: hustlers doesn't come out yet. What did your say? Mine
Speaker 1: says snuck. It says don't snuck away from a situation,
Speaker 1: and it could mean so many things. A good snuck ing.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good title of app A good snucking
Speaker 1: Come on, we have that down hot producer Megan Megan
Speaker 1: than do you go? You go by Megan, not Megan
Speaker 1: Megan so commonly Megan's can go buy Meg Megan Meggie
Speaker 1: peg pag. Do you have a a nickname? Do you
Speaker 1: have a nickname? Megan? Your whole life? Okay? So what
Speaker 1: do you think it was about the energy that you
Speaker 1: brought into this space that they started calling you Meg?
Speaker 1: How would you do differently? Don't have that's not unheard
Speaker 1: to do anything differently? My horrorscope said, don't need to
Speaker 1: be so polite for you. When have you done? Have
Speaker 1: you done that? Yet? None of us are going to
Speaker 1: buy our horse. This is a serious question. Now, Like
Speaker 1: when you're editing this, can you, um make my laugh
Speaker 1: sexy and deep? Um, there's sometimes I cackle. Can we
Speaker 1: do that? I cackle? Have let's just laugh one time? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: so take that and just make that sexy now. Um.
Speaker 1: I love James Anderson's law. This was Um. I have
Speaker 1: to say, what a joyous time to have you here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I was a little nervous, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm very I you know, I it's
Speaker 1: the whole theater thing, you know, I for some reason
Speaker 1: chose that path when I left my house. But it's
Speaker 1: like standing up in front of people and performing is
Speaker 1: the most nerve wracking thing on the like when like okay,
Speaker 1: so we're not actually too but it's just like in
Speaker 1: the moment when you're about when you're when you're on
Speaker 1: your way to do it. Oh, you know what the
Speaker 1: thing is because we do this so much like this
Speaker 1: is literally like the hundred episode of this podcast or whatever.
Speaker 1: This is my first podcast ever ever, literally so embarrassed
Speaker 1: for every other podcast have they asked, um No, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's fun. That's stupid crazy. I'm dragging all of
Speaker 1: them now publicly. I think so embarrassed to be in
Speaker 1: this podcast community. I think any opportunity to sit down
Speaker 1: and listen to James Anderson talk, I I think it's
Speaker 1: just I think it's just like what a what an
Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches for your mind? Well, I'll be for
Speaker 1: endom embarrassment and at an embarrassment, it's just humiliating and humiliating. No,
Speaker 1: you're the would be very real and say that you actually,
Speaker 1: we're very important and our continue to be very important
Speaker 1: to um me like, and I'm sure bowen when we
Speaker 1: were younger watching watching US and Now, because it gave
Speaker 1: us a time when we were to laugh at ship like,
Speaker 1: especially with something as mainstream as S and Now like,
Speaker 1: it was nice to be able to like join them
Speaker 1: with everybody and have that one and it feel real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know it was coming
Speaker 1: from Yeah, yeah, and that's good. I mean when I
Speaker 1: was younger, I always was looking for that, like, what
Speaker 1: where is the gay voice in this? I I actually
Speaker 1: found a bookstore that was selling a romance novel and
Speaker 1: it was by Gordon Merrick when I was in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't even know it was Gordon Merrick. And it
Speaker 1: was in the religious section because the title of the
Speaker 1: book was The Lord Won't Mind. And I was so
Speaker 1: excited that it was in that section, so I thought,
Speaker 1: I felt like I could buy it, you know, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I bought it, and I took it home.
Speaker 1: I read through you know, you know, went through it
Speaker 1: though really fast, and then I took it to the
Speaker 1: trash and I burned it. I burned the thing down
Speaker 1: because I didn't want my parents to find anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just during that time, it's so good
Speaker 1: to have just like a little respite, if you will,
Speaker 1: and like definitely like that through God. If you ever
Speaker 1: can think about that and your stressful moments at work
Speaker 1: and you tube bitch. Well, I know there's some little
Speaker 1: fag out there watching checks. Well, I just want to
Speaker 1: say really quickly because that story is, first of all,
Speaker 1: I meanwow, and second of all is reminding me that
Speaker 1: the first gay book I ever touched, like it was
Speaker 1: it was at they had it at the Smokey Hill
Speaker 1: Public Library, and it was this trashy, trashy book about
Speaker 1: this guy who falls in love with a gay club
Speaker 1: owner and they whatever. But I I just throw it
Speaker 1: into my mom's pile that day and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to check out this book. It's about um, you know,
Speaker 1: two guys who are friends. And she's like okay, and
Speaker 1: then she brings it over. I cannot be. I'm usually
Speaker 1: stating right next to her when we check out, and
Speaker 1: I just I did not have anything to beat to
Speaker 1: stand next to her while she exchanged and passed this
Speaker 1: book over to to librarian who was scanning these books.
Speaker 1: What you okay? Great? So it was just this clear
Speaker 1: moment of shame when I was four shelves away, peeking past,
Speaker 1: like peeking over the shelf, watching this go down, because
Speaker 1: I was so afraid that this was like going to
Speaker 1: blow up in my face. But then the librarian sees
Speaker 1: the book and like glances over at my mom, gives
Speaker 1: her a weird look, and then like searches around, scans
Speaker 1: around the room, and locks eyes with me. And in
Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, fuck she was She knew
Speaker 1: she knew that it was because because we we we
Speaker 1: went to this library all the time, and she knew
Speaker 1: to look for me, and she like found me and
Speaker 1: she was like, oh m hmmm, and it was this
Speaker 1: like deep deep, deep, deep deep moment of shame, and
Speaker 1: like it was like and I basically like went home
Speaker 1: and read through the book, sped through the book in
Speaker 1: like two days. And then yeah, I mean burn because
Speaker 1: I couldn't but I would. I would have. You just
Speaker 1: didn't know how to make fire. I just didn't know
Speaker 1: how to make fire. And then that librarian is the
Speaker 1: only person I think should get the death mental for
Speaker 1: the trauma, for the trauma it anyway anyway, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, I mean, you know, you grew up
Speaker 1: in like when you grow up and you like truly
Speaker 1: like cannot bring yourself to like openly like the things
Speaker 1: that you want to like terrible, terrible. You need these
Speaker 1: moments and anyway, James, who make you happy? But James,
Speaker 1: James would give us these moments that like we could
Speaker 1: openly love because it was being seen and embraced by
Speaker 1: everyone else. And that's what that that's what's important. That's
Speaker 1: like the case for mainstreaming something. I know people are like,
Speaker 1: but it's it's the case for and James is I
Speaker 1: mean just what I what I meant to say earlier
Speaker 1: was the opportunity to sit down with James and just
Speaker 1: hear him talk about anything as I think, like very
Speaker 1: very very special and I love it. Every time you
Speaker 1: walk into my damn office, I'm like, what have I
Speaker 1: done to deserve James? Anyway? This one, this one, this one.
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