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Speaker 3: Number one.
Speaker 2: It is episode number one of this season. So we're
Speaker 2: in twenty sea. This is our twentieth season. I'm doing
Speaker 2: Cowboys Break, all right, and this is episode number one.
Speaker 4: That's kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2: Kind of a big deal.
Speaker 9: And by the way, there's timetable here, like why today.
Speaker 2: April just begin? This a new fiscal year for the
Speaker 2: NFL that would be when we flipped the number of stress.
Speaker 3: So there you go, the one consistent. He said, twenty years.
Speaker 9: Shut your dumb No, I.
Speaker 2: Was not saying it like that.
Speaker 3: I'm giving you the information. One consists about twenty years.
Speaker 4: Bacib strikes of it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure, fairst of all the twenty years.
Speaker 2: Actually, I will say this, there was a brief period.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the year. There was a brief period
Speaker 2: when we're still back at Valley Ranch. Yeah, when I
Speaker 2: got off the show because I was like, I got
Speaker 2: too much business work to get done. Sure, uh, and
Speaker 2: then we lost somebody. I think that was when Rowan
Speaker 2: left and I was like, I don't have anybody, just
Speaker 2: put on the show. So I got back on the show.
Speaker 2: And then I just kind of was like, do it.
Speaker 3: Me, Mickey Rowing and uh City Drso I.
Speaker 2: Thought that would have been talking cowboys.
Speaker 3: That was talking cowboys.
Speaker 2: And I think when I got off the show, I
Speaker 2: thought we pulled Rowing off. I thought we pulled Rowing
Speaker 2: over to Break and I got off of the Break
Speaker 2: and I was off for maybe maybe like it was
Speaker 2: in the off season, I think, And I think it
Speaker 2: may have been for like a few months. And by
Speaker 2: the time we got to that next season, I was
Speaker 2: right back in.
Speaker 3: And I remember, I remember working with all those folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2: Actually, speaking of which, one of the things I kind
Speaker 2: of want to do this year and I haven't decided
Speaker 2: if and how I'm going to do it, but I
Speaker 2: want to consider it being our twentieth season, trying to
Speaker 2: bring some of the folks that have been a part
Speaker 2: of the Break over the years back for some episodes.
Speaker 2: It would be really cool. I know DIA's back in
Speaker 2: town now with my Bill Bringer.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a fun June project when you got
Speaker 3: nothing going on.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of people that have been around
Speaker 2: it will get Helm and the call in a bit.
Speaker 2: You know he's in la I don't know if he'll
Speaker 2: be in town, but you know, get him and rolled
Speaker 2: through and.
Speaker 3: Help me out. First, the first thing you put Helman
Speaker 3: on was the Draft show yep.
Speaker 10: And when he first cart everyody's like, I don't know
Speaker 10: about this guy looks kind of goofy.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to I'm like, I need.
Speaker 2: He grew a beer and he was like, oh you
Speaker 2: kind of college school.
Speaker 10: I'll take him. You know, LSU guy, you gotta take
Speaker 10: care of less you guys.
Speaker 2: But well he took care of you.
Speaker 3: Oh, he took care of you.
Speaker 10: I'll tell you what, seriously, I would never take another job.
Speaker 2: In writing unless you can bring him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: He literally every year he was here, he read every story,
Speaker 10: edited every story, every even after all the stories he
Speaker 10: wrote in the game, he would edit my stories. That's crazy.
Speaker 10: And he's like, man, you got a little better at
Speaker 10: write it a little better. And bro, I'm just glad
Speaker 10: you're here.
Speaker 2: And still this day the image you have of him
Speaker 2: is sitting there looking at his computer, rubbing his eye.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he goes, tell goes, you actually made a very
Speaker 10: coherent sentence there, Brian.
Speaker 3: Really good for you. Way to go, you know.
Speaker 10: And I'm like, I write like a scout, you know,
Speaker 10: dash whatever and all that. And he he would make
Speaker 10: all that work.
Speaker 3: And I do I owe.
Speaker 2: Him everything unless you guys take care of you.
Speaker 3: We try, I gotta.
Speaker 2: I gotta say that.
Speaker 3: Takes two guys to work one story, but.
Speaker 2: We but we may try that. We may try to
Speaker 2: pull in some of our old break hosts and have
Speaker 2: them join our show a few times this year with
Speaker 2: it being our twentieth year celebration, and maybe at some
Speaker 2: point we'll have some kind of big celebration that nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that will be nice.
Speaker 2: Could taken sure, I'll do that. I will take us
Speaker 2: all at dinner.
Speaker 4: I could do that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to turn down.
Speaker 3: He never turned down, but I just throw it out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that. All right, Let's jump in.
Speaker 2: Let's talk Chris is like.
Speaker 10: I mean, Chris the smoke drink right right right with
Speaker 10: the smoke because the smoke out of the whiskey glass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a new fridge Homebamer. All right, let's talk.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about thirty visits they are starting this week.
Speaker 2: And uh, I guess first, Patrick, give me kind of
Speaker 2: an idea of what who we can expect some of
Speaker 2: the names that are kind of out there that we've
Speaker 2: reported that are that are gonna be here this week.
Speaker 8: Okay, So thank you for putting me right on the spot.
Speaker 8: I got the nation, so let me just pull it up.
Speaker 8: All right, So what's been reported and I'll just go
Speaker 8: quickly unit by unit.
Speaker 4: So for offensive line, we.
Speaker 8: Have Matt gon Kelviy's the beloved Jackson Powers Johnson.
Speaker 4: That's a big, big name.
Speaker 8: We got Fuega out of Oregon State and Graham Barton
Speaker 8: out of Duke. Those are your reported offensive line official
Speaker 8: thirty visits. And again for those that aren't aware, those
Speaker 8: start today running backs. Reported running backs. We got Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 8: That's a big name to keep an eye on. I know,
Speaker 8: there you go. You want to say, hook them, you.
Speaker 4: Got hook them? There you go, all right.
Speaker 8: Braylan Allen out of Wiscott, Wisconsin, he's one. Bucky Irving
Speaker 8: out of Oregon, Trey Benson out of Florida State. That
Speaker 8: those they reported running backs. There are others, but we're
Speaker 8: working to confirm those names. Who else we got defensive line?
Speaker 8: We got Darius Robinson out of Missouri. He's a reported one.
Speaker 8: Keep an eye on a guy like Byron Murphy. We're
Speaker 8: working to confirm that he's an official thirty visit. Linebackers.
Speaker 8: This is a massive group that the Cowboys are focusing on.
Speaker 8: As are running backs, but linebackers. Edren Cooper Texas A
Speaker 8: and m the Aggie, Peyton Wilson, North Carolina State, Trevin
Speaker 8: Wallace out of Kentucky Junior Coast in Michigan, Jordan McGee, Temple,
Speaker 8: Nathaniel Watson Mississippi State, and again those are what's reported
Speaker 8: those would have been confirmed. The other names and we
Speaker 8: have several of those that I will refrain from at
Speaker 8: the moment until we can get confirmation. But a lot
Speaker 8: going on starting today with the Cowboys and the official thirties, and.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of a lot of players that will
Speaker 2: be coming through. And to be noted, the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: traditionally they'll get they'll get some of these guys. You'll
Speaker 2: see them draft these guys they bring in. So it
Speaker 2: is worth noting what stands out to you about these names, Brians.
Speaker 2: You look at these names, what kind of pops out
Speaker 2: as you, whether it's particular players or particular positions.
Speaker 10: Yeah, of Fuaga, the tackle might be the best tackle
Speaker 10: in the draft. And I know that people talk about
Speaker 10: alt from Notre Dame. Fuaga is from Oregon State. Surprising,
Speaker 10: you know to me that immediately when I heard the name.
Speaker 10: Very well in great job by Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 10: getting those names together and getting them out. Nick Harris
Speaker 10: has done a tremendous job on the Draft show as well.
Speaker 10: And but the first thing that came to mind is
Speaker 10: that's a trade up guy right there. That's not a
Speaker 10: wait till twenty four and get guy.
Speaker 3: That is it. That is if you're you're going to
Speaker 3: have to go.
Speaker 10: There are teams that have him and I've talked to
Speaker 10: that have him as the best tackle in the draft.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, he would be top ten.
Speaker 10: And that you know, I thought the landing spot for
Speaker 10: him would be at the at the lowest would be
Speaker 10: the Jets at ten. You know, they went and got
Speaker 10: Tyron Smith. We've talked about Tyron Smith going there. Uh,
Speaker 10: but Fuaga is a tremendous player. Could play guard, could
Speaker 10: play tackle, He's athletic, he's powerful.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know that those are the kinds of things I mean,
Speaker 10: that's that. That was one of those that I'm like
Speaker 10: thinking there's something up there because I just don't think
Speaker 10: you're gonna get him at twenty four. Powers Johnson, the
Speaker 10: center from Oregon, is dealing with some medical things. They
Speaker 10: checked him out at the Combine. You're starting to see
Speaker 10: him some mock drafts of some of the prominent mock
Speaker 10: drafters are keeping him out of the first round. So
Speaker 10: what's happening is the scout media scouts are starting to
Speaker 10: catch up with what went on at the Combine with
Speaker 10: some of the medical stuff.
Speaker 4: Here do you know what kind of medical.
Speaker 3: It's some things that need to be checked.
Speaker 10: I have an idea. I want to get some things
Speaker 10: confirmed what he has. I don't want to sit here
Speaker 10: and then say, well, he's got this and it's actually not,
Speaker 10: because yeah, there's a couple of things though. That again,
Speaker 10: talking to my gang of seven around the league, talking
Speaker 10: to people, some trainers around the league. There's some things
Speaker 10: that have to be checked there. So hopefully we'll get
Speaker 10: that done before the night of the draft. Barton is
Speaker 10: another one that's dealing with now. I know for a
Speaker 10: fact he's doing with some shoulder stuff because at the
Speaker 10: combine excuse me, at his pro day at Duke, he
Speaker 10: had he couldn't do any of the pushing drills anything,
Speaker 10: you know, with extension. Uh, he didn't bench press. So
Speaker 10: he's dealing with a shoulder that he's having fixed. Brooks,
Speaker 10: we know from Texas, is dealing with the knee. Tremendous
Speaker 10: player him, Benson, Allen Irving. All these backs, they're hunting
Speaker 10: backs right now. As you can see, they're also, as
Speaker 10: Patrick told you, they're hunting linebackers.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 10: Let me let me give you a name that I
Speaker 10: really really really like out of this whole thing when
Speaker 10: you when you start to talk about linebackers, especially inside linebackers. Uh,
Speaker 10: you know Cooper's outstanding from from Texas A and M.
Speaker 10: But this Travian Wallace from Kentucky is a bad man
Speaker 10: at six and thirty seven pounds. Uh, you don't have
Speaker 10: to take And I'm sorry, I'm not turning this into
Speaker 10: the draft show. I'm just telling you they're bringing in
Speaker 10: dudes that can play football, and that's the whole idea.
Speaker 10: You know, Hey, maybe you haven't heard a lot about
Speaker 10: Wallace at Kentucky. If you have the opportunity, take a
Speaker 10: peek at him and you'll you'll you'll know exactly what
Speaker 10: I'm talking about. It doesn't take long to fire find
Speaker 10: him on tape. You don't have to ask what number
Speaker 10: he is. You see him right there. But that's him,
Speaker 10: that's him. That's him again. So he can finish when
Speaker 10: he gets in position. He doesn't get fooled by running plays.
Speaker 10: He's physical at the point of attack. He's a team captain,
Speaker 10: emotional leader, there's so many things. He's twenty one years
Speaker 10: old too, and he plays like you hope he's on
Speaker 10: your team is.
Speaker 2: He's a one starter type guy.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, he's a plug and play guy. This is this
Speaker 10: guy mean because he's got such a feel for how
Speaker 10: to play, whether you put him in coverage or you know,
Speaker 10: like he understands like sometimes the linebackers they drop and
Speaker 10: they kind of just float around. He's a drop I
Speaker 10: see what you're trying to do behind me and get
Speaker 10: over guy. You know that a lot of yeah, you know,
Speaker 10: and Mike Simmerpool. When I know about Mike, Mike wants guys.
Speaker 10: If Mike, Mike will tell you this, if he if
Speaker 10: it's a smaller guy, you want to be able to
Speaker 10: have that elite awareness like what that win had. That's
Speaker 10: you know, if you're going to be a shorter guy,
Speaker 10: be elite with your ability to your instincts and things
Speaker 10: like that. If you're a bigger guy, if you have instincts,
Speaker 10: you have size, you have ability to play at the
Speaker 10: point of attack. You can help me in coverage, you
Speaker 10: can occasionally blitch you that. That's this makes perfect sense
Speaker 10: for a Mike zimmer type of linebacker that we're dealing with.
Speaker 2: See a first round or second round guy, Like I.
Speaker 10: Think he's more to me. I feel like that when
Speaker 10: I had him on my board was in the second round.
Speaker 10: But the thing about him is though him and Wilson,
Speaker 10: Peyton Wilson from North Carolina State, maybe another name that
Speaker 10: I don't think you said, Peyton Wilson from UH from
Speaker 10: North Carolina State. If you didn't, don't, I might be
Speaker 10: a name that you hear about here in the next
Speaker 10: few days.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know. But the thing about the
Speaker 3: thing about these guys.
Speaker 4: They're very Yes, yes, he's confirmed.
Speaker 10: Okay, Peyton Wilson, Wallace. Keep an eye on these cats,
Speaker 10: both of them. Instincts downhill players, tough, make every single tackle,
Speaker 10: play well in coverage. Healthy, not as healthy as Wallace, Okay,
Speaker 10: dealing with some stuff there, and that's maybe what keeps
Speaker 10: him out of the first round. But that might give
Speaker 10: you the opportunity to to me, Wilson could be a
Speaker 10: trade back guy, you know, if you drop back, if
Speaker 10: you know, say say for example, we get in this
Speaker 10: draft and all of a sudden, you know, Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Calls you, you know, are Buffalo.
Speaker 10: Calls you at twenty eight, and you could pick up
Speaker 10: their their third they're into the round. Third, Baltimore calls
Speaker 10: you at thirty, you could pick up the end of
Speaker 10: the round third for them, you don't have a fourth.
Speaker 3: Those are trade back options right there.
Speaker 10: The way the Cowboys have got this thing set up,
Speaker 10: Like I say, Fuaga is a go up. Some of
Speaker 10: the these other guys might be. Okay, we're in kind of
Speaker 10: no man's land right now. We're between our second round
Speaker 10: pick and our first round pick if we go back
Speaker 10: a certain level. We got to get this guy because
Speaker 10: we can't get him back at fifty six. So the
Speaker 10: list that they're bringing in I applaud them for what
Speaker 10: they're doing right now.
Speaker 2: But two things worry me about. You put these injury together.
Speaker 2: Linebacker in injury like you look at and especially if
Speaker 2: you start looking second round, just think about the litany
Speaker 2: of second round of linebackers the Cowboys who came in
Speaker 2: the door already injured. That that wire great play. I
Speaker 2: mean they had the ability for fear, they were great,
Speaker 2: had the ability, but just couldn't get over that injury bug, right,
Speaker 2: And that's the part that really concerned me. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I'm starting to wonder if it's just linebackers
Speaker 2: like that. That is a high collision position, right, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to find people who aren't injured.
Speaker 9: But given with how much is a stake this year,
Speaker 9: how much because of the cap, how much they're going
Speaker 9: to have to rely on the draft? Is this a
Speaker 9: draft for maybe they don't take those types of risks
Speaker 9: in because we know in the time in the second
Speaker 9: round they take it. Yeah, they've draft drafted players that
Speaker 9: fall back to the second round because of injuries or whatever.
Speaker 9: They take him and then sometimes they turned out to
Speaker 9: be good talent, but we know the risk in that
Speaker 9: and how long that takes. So is this a draft
Speaker 9: that maybe they're not willing to do some kind of don't.
Speaker 8: I don't know that they're going to depart from their
Speaker 8: their annual way of handling things. And I say that
Speaker 8: to say I don't think that Will McLay is looking
Speaker 8: at it as, Okay, I need the best possible draft
Speaker 8: pick at every possible selection this year. Because he looks
Speaker 8: at that the same way last year, the year prior,
Speaker 8: he'll look at it the same way next year. So
Speaker 8: I think his approach is going to be the same.
Speaker 8: But I also do think that it matters what the
Speaker 8: position is that and who the player is. So if
Speaker 8: you look at Jonathan Brooks, for example, one of the
Speaker 8: reasons they're interested in Jonathan Brooks is not only because
Speaker 8: obviously he's a dynamic talent on the field, but guess
Speaker 8: who did his his procedure for his torn a cl
Speaker 8: same thing. So when they have that type of information
Speaker 8: and that type of insight, I think that makes them
Speaker 8: feel like it's less of a risk having that information.
Speaker 4: So it's it's contextual.
Speaker 8: But I don't think that this is a situation where
Speaker 8: will McClain his scops go into the offseason saying, oh, well,
Speaker 8: we got to change things up.
Speaker 10: This is the scary thing. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 10: be the wet blanket guy. You're dealing with a lot
Speaker 10: of coaches that are on one year deals. Are you
Speaker 10: drafting for coaches that are on one year deals? Or
Speaker 10: are you thinking about the fact that, like a lot
Speaker 10: of your depth went flying out this door. You know,
Speaker 10: you got to think about And I know a guy
Speaker 10: like I say on Mike Zamra, I know how Mike operates.
Speaker 10: Mike is a bring me whoever you got guy, I'll
Speaker 10: coach you. I'll tell you what I like in a player,
Speaker 10: just but bring me guys. You know McCarthy has come
Speaker 10: out recently and talked on some media opportunities and said,
Speaker 10: I'm a draft and development guy. That's his background At
Speaker 10: Green Bay. Teddy Thompson picked the players Mike. The coaches
Speaker 10: stayed back. Mike really trusted Ted and what those guys do.
Speaker 10: I think Mike trust Will and this crew to find
Speaker 10: players for him. I know from my experience working in
Speaker 10: this front office, though, that the Jones family will allow
Speaker 10: the head coach to have his say, whether you want
Speaker 10: to take it or not. Dave Campo, you know, Chan Gaily,
Speaker 10: whoever they the head coach does have a say, But
Speaker 10: Mike has been conditioned himself to take a step back
Speaker 10: let them do their jobs.
Speaker 3: But you do wonder, you do wonder is how.
Speaker 10: Much influence will coaches have on this draft, knowing that
Speaker 10: potentially it could be a completely different staff. But that's
Speaker 10: something you always, you know, you think about. You just
Speaker 10: got to go out and like Patrick said, you go out,
Speaker 10: you have a plan for what you want to do,
Speaker 10: You get your players, you go forward, and you hope
Speaker 10: that you know, everything works out. But that's a little
Speaker 10: bit of the danger right now with everybody being on
Speaker 10: that on that one.
Speaker 9: Deal, and on top of that, I think you have
Speaker 9: to add. And I know they try to block out
Speaker 9: outside noise and you're not gonna allow it outside noise
Speaker 9: to affect kind of what you do in this type
Speaker 9: of business. But at the same time, I wonder if
Speaker 9: the amount of pressure that they felt surrounding the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: from the fan base, from the critics, everywhere, all around
Speaker 9: the media this off season, does that change into maybe
Speaker 9: the strategy that they're used to in drafting for the future.
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think that has one even small amount
Speaker 2: of difference, makes one small bit about a difference to
Speaker 2: the people that are making the decision. I don't think
Speaker 2: they care one bit what is the national narrative or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, they feel
Speaker 2: confident in Will McLay and Will McClay feels confident in
Speaker 2: his evaluation and the evaluation of his team to where
Speaker 2: I don't yeah, and I don't think that at all
Speaker 2: is impacted by what people think of it.
Speaker 10: It's not the outside pressure. It's the eternal pressure of.
Speaker 3: Not signed free agents. That's that's a legitimate.
Speaker 2: Pressure because of what it means, like what it's left you.
Speaker 10: Now put a lot of pressure on two areas. One
Speaker 10: area is the draft. The second area is undrafted free agents.
Speaker 10: The one thing that Jones family will do is they
Speaker 10: will pony up for you. Look at all the undrafted guy.
Speaker 10: Look at what they've done.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 4: Bass.
Speaker 10: Guys like that that they the money that they've spent.
Speaker 10: They will spend money on undrafted free agents. You know
Speaker 10: why those guys are on their draft board.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 10: Bass like a fifth round guy. All of a sudden,
Speaker 10: he goes through the whole draft, nobody takes them. We
Speaker 10: got to have that guy. We thought enough of him.
Speaker 10: You know, they're willing to do that. This puts a
Speaker 10: lot of pressure on them because of what happened in
Speaker 10: last year's draft. You know, and we'll see what happens
Speaker 10: with Mazie and you know, Schoolmaker and those guys. We'll
Speaker 10: see what happens with Overshown. You know, you still got
Speaker 10: to give it a chance. But the thing that now
Speaker 10: is it's like, okay, we can't have back to back
Speaker 10: non productive drafts. And then also they have to have
Speaker 10: to kind of get all that depth back. They're gonna
Speaker 10: have to figure out something too about those undrafted free agents.
Speaker 10: That's the next that's gonna be instead of just signing
Speaker 10: guys off the street right now, that's your next best
Speaker 10: source draft and then get those undrafted free agents. Now
Speaker 10: you've got twenty something guys that could potentially make a
Speaker 10: difference on your roster.
Speaker 2: And not to get too far into draft talk, but
Speaker 2: it also makes me wonder if they're going to be
Speaker 2: looking even more so this year for opportunities to trade
Speaker 2: back and get more picks. It just gives them more
Speaker 2: cracks at it gives them more bodies in the building.
Speaker 2: I think that could be another strategy where they're trying
Speaker 2: to fill in the depth that they've lost in free agency,
Speaker 2: is by getting more picks to do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we talked about it yesterday, just kind of offline
Speaker 8: where it was like the Cowboys they really want that
Speaker 8: fourth round pick back. They really want that back, and
Speaker 8: I think they're going to go into the draft trying
Speaker 8: to figure out how to get that back. So I
Speaker 8: do expect at least one trade back, maybe Day one,
Speaker 8: early day two. They're going to trying to get them
Speaker 8: a fourth round a.
Speaker 10: Minute, go back for spots, You grab you a third
Speaker 10: if you want, no doubt.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take our first break. We
Speaker 2: win and come back, and I got some questions for
Speaker 2: you guys about kind of where the Cowboys sit heading
Speaker 2: into the draft, post free agency, or at least the
Speaker 2: first round free agency, where they sit, what their biggest
Speaker 2: losses are, and some areas where they have some strength
Speaker 2: that maybe they can can look to exploit. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that when we come back. This is Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 2: what I wanted to to talk about let's talk or actually,
Speaker 2: before we get to that, we just got some breaking news.
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Speaker 2: that break news. That's old school. Most people don't get that, right.
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Speaker 4: Through on the wire, right.
Speaker 8: Cowboys have officially agreed to terms with swing tackle Tonydogas.
Speaker 8: So this will be a second a second goal for
Speaker 8: cho Manydoga with the Cowboys. It's on a one year
Speaker 8: deal through twenty twenty four. Does this absolutely guarantee Edoga spot. No,
Speaker 8: he will be up against whomever the Cowboys decide to
Speaker 8: pick in the draft, assuming they go at tackle, and
Speaker 8: then of course we'll see what happens in undrafted free agency.
Speaker 8: But still an uphill battle for a doga between mini camp,
Speaker 8: training camp, preseason. He's gonna have to earn his roster spot.
Speaker 8: But as it stands, he's got one on the team.
Speaker 2: And I still say keep an eye on Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a done deal after Tyring isn't
Speaker 2: coming back. I just say keep an eye on it.
Speaker 3: We'll see what a first moving this.
Speaker 2: As far as moving to tackle.
Speaker 3: I do I feel like that the.
Speaker 2: Draft, that draft is going to dictate.
Speaker 3: I think the draft will dictate that, all right, So.
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to do. I want to I
Speaker 2: want you guys to think about these names. And by
Speaker 2: the way, you could throw in another name if you choose.
Speaker 2: But if you had to say one player was the
Speaker 2: biggest loss for Dallas in free agency, a guy that
Speaker 2: signed somewhere else, that was here last year, who would
Speaker 2: you say it is. I'll throw out some names. Dorn's Armstrong,
Speaker 2: Tyler Biattish, Tyron Smith, Tony Pollard, Dante Fowler, Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 4: It's Tyron Smith for me, and I get what you're saying.
Speaker 8: I know you're you're gung ho, and I'm not mad
Speaker 8: at that your gung ho about the Tyler Smith to
Speaker 8: left tackle.
Speaker 4: I get it. We've had the conversation.
Speaker 8: My only thing was, and I know I've heard Brian
Speaker 8: say this before, so I think we're on the same
Speaker 8: page with this.
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8: It's not that we we aren't in on that, because
Speaker 8: we're in on that, but it's the fact that the
Speaker 8: team has shown such adversity. I'm such an adverse reaction
Speaker 8: to me. You don't think that will that I don't
Speaker 8: feel like I should spend that innergy that's thinking about it.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
Speaker 8: But I feel like if that holds true and they
Speaker 8: are still so verse to possibly moving because even when
Speaker 8: you hear Mike McCarthy speak from the owners meetings, he
Speaker 8: basically said, well, yeah, it's an option, but the way
Speaker 8: he downplayed it was like, that's not our first, second,
Speaker 8: the third option.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: So that being said, if that holds true, then the
Speaker 8: loss of Tyrone Smith weighs very large for me because
Speaker 8: who's your left tackle? If you keeping tid I'm gonna
Speaker 8: pass it off. You almost got me fired. And my
Speaker 8: boss is the one asking the question, trying to I'll
Speaker 8: tell you all jokes aside, he's not your answer starting
Speaker 8: to left tackle.
Speaker 2: Your leader quotquote.
Speaker 3: Unemployment office, I man just yanked the wheel on it.
Speaker 9: Know.
Speaker 8: So if they hold firm on well, depending on how
Speaker 8: the draft shakes out, I think the answer is in
Speaker 8: the draft. If you don't get your answer in the draft,
Speaker 8: you're in huge trouble period.
Speaker 4: Bottom line.
Speaker 2: But as Brian has told us, this is a very
Speaker 2: deep draft for tackle there. If you don't get in
Speaker 2: the first round, you might not.
Speaker 4: Just you have to find your insight at some point
Speaker 4: in the draft. Yeah. Yeah, and it doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be day one, but you have to find us get.
Speaker 2: About awesome too. I do think that's something we should
Speaker 2: keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: I think last year camp there was enough there to
Speaker 2: make me say a little more development. He might be
Speaker 2: a guy that could be answered. But keep going, Bran.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know it's funny. I keep if you would
Speaker 10: have just said, and I love Fowler and Armstrong and
Speaker 10: those guys, if you would have just said, who's a
Speaker 10: bigger loss, Tyron Smith or Jonathan Hankins, if you focus
Speaker 10: it even that way, let me ask you this, did
Speaker 10: the Cowboys run defense really play better with Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 10: in there? Do we still have questions even if you
Speaker 10: had Jonathan Hankins back, which you still have questions about.
Speaker 3: The run defense? Fair? You know That's the thing.
Speaker 10: I just kind of keep circling back because we talked
Speaker 10: they don't have a one technique on this roster right now.
Speaker 10: I mean they're gonna try and get Mozzie Smith built
Speaker 10: back up and hopefully he can help out.
Speaker 3: You know, they're okay.
Speaker 10: At three, Patrick told us the Murphy from Texas is
Speaker 10: coming in.
Speaker 3: He's a three technique. He's best three technique in the draft.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he seriously you talk about a but
Speaker 10: he's not a one technique. He's a three, you know,
Speaker 10: and you've got some three techniques already on this team.
Speaker 10: Maybe it doesn't keep you from draft, but it's gotta
Speaker 10: be Tyron Smith, right. I mean even though if you
Speaker 10: say that we hey, they don't have a one, but
Speaker 10: were they really? Were they really that much better with
Speaker 10: Jonathan Hankins, So immediately all think Kyler, it's the run
Speaker 10: defense is wrecked. They weren't very good with him in
Speaker 10: there at times, so maybe they needed to go a
Speaker 10: different route on this. So I would lean to Tyron Smith,
Speaker 10: is what I would say.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how much Yeah, talking out
Speaker 2: of this one, how much was the poor run defense
Speaker 2: a reflection of specifically Hankins play or the poor linebacker play?
Speaker 10: I think this is why we're getting all these linebackers
Speaker 10: on thirty visit, you know, and legitimate downhill fix.
Speaker 2: Right, you put Hankins with one of those linebackers in
Speaker 2: the run defense?
Speaker 3: Fix? Is my question.
Speaker 10: Kendrick's my guy Wallace from Kentucky. You know, give me
Speaker 10: one of give me that comed you know, Demon Clark.
Speaker 10: I think the Moon Clark. The thing about him is
Speaker 10: he went backwards for me and I was expecting him
Speaker 10: to go forward. And maybe that had something to do
Speaker 10: with Layton Vanderesh being out. Yeah, you know, things started
Speaker 10: to kind of you know, it kind of because too much.
Speaker 3: But maybe the whole run defense itself.
Speaker 10: Maybe it's not just Jonathan Hankins, as you say, maybe
Speaker 10: it's Jonathan Hankins linebackers safety play or undersize safety is
Speaker 10: trying to play as linebackers. Yeah, you know, but the
Speaker 10: Tyron Smith one hurts you just because now you're in
Speaker 10: a moment where you maybe have to move an all
Speaker 10: pro guard or you're going to have to use the
Speaker 10: twenty fourth pick overall on a tackle. That's the one.
Speaker 10: There's a lot of moving parts with that Tyron Smith loss.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think you definitely saw the different friends. Uh,
Speaker 9: when Jonathan Hankins was there versus him not being there,
Speaker 9: we got a good look at what that was like
Speaker 9: for a brief period there. But with Tyler's Tyron Smith
Speaker 9: right now, and I say this right now, I'm not
Speaker 9: suffering the loss as much just because I feel like
Speaker 9: it's been coming for years now.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to ask you the question.
Speaker 10: You you've all along kind of been like, I don't
Speaker 10: want to be held hostage. I'm sorry if I'm saying
Speaker 10: it's the wrong way. I don't want to be held
Speaker 10: hostage by the position anymore. You've you've been all along,
Speaker 10: and you've been You've been, You've been upfront about that.
Speaker 10: You're like, listen, I keep dealing with this every year.
Speaker 10: I keep dealing with the unknown.
Speaker 3: Is that? Are you okay with moving on? You're like,
Speaker 3: you're okay with this?
Speaker 9: Right, I've been okay because of that, I think, Uh,
Speaker 9: someone who suffers from anxiety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 10: I was speaking to a lot of cowboy fans.
Speaker 9: I like to know what actually I got going on.
Speaker 9: You know, the an injury you cannot predict and all that,
Speaker 9: But when you have a recurrent issue, okay, you know
Speaker 9: what you can possibly expect.
Speaker 3: So I think.
Speaker 9: And that's not to say that when he was on
Speaker 9: the field he was invaluable, because he really really was
Speaker 9: and has been. But I think more so than him
Speaker 9: just leaving is the fact that even with him being here,
Speaker 9: let's say he was still here, I still have a
Speaker 9: crap ton of questions around the O line in general,
Speaker 9: because they were not They were good protecting Dak. They
Speaker 9: were pretty solid protecting him in the passing game, but
Speaker 9: what was happening in the run game. That is a
Speaker 9: big issue, and that is an area that the Cowboys
Speaker 9: definitely need to improve because they need to create balance
Speaker 9: in that game. We did not see a good running
Speaker 9: game throughout the whole season. Maybe against Washington, yeah, and
Speaker 9: that was really if that I can remember, But in general,
Speaker 9: I think I just have huge questions in the O line.
Speaker 9: So I think that Tyron Smith, Yeah, you're gonna miss
Speaker 9: him in some aspect, but it frees you from allowing
Speaker 9: yourself to now be forced to what is the future
Speaker 9: from this point moving forward and for you to actually
Speaker 9: have a clear vision, hopefully of what the old line
Speaker 9: is gonna look like from this point one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you and Bro. I think that
Speaker 2: for me, it really is more Hankins than Tyrone because
Speaker 2: I've also been in that same camp with you tear
Speaker 2: the band aid off at some point you gotta do it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to walk away from really great players. But
Speaker 2: we've seen a consistent pattern you can't get more consistent
Speaker 2: than knowing Tyron is not going to be able to
Speaker 2: play seventeen games. We know this, This is historically a fact, right,
Speaker 2: And so I'm just like, I can't. I can't continue
Speaker 2: to always every week get to that Saturday night, like
Speaker 2: you say, Brian, like literally wake up Sunday morning and
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it's been good, but all of a
Speaker 2: sudden something cropped up and now we got a problem,
Speaker 2: and now he can't play. I just can't. I don't
Speaker 2: want to have to live in that world anymore. I
Speaker 2: have enough question marks. I'd rather go ahead and move on.
Speaker 2: And even if that means that the guy have maybe
Speaker 2: a little lesser right now, the point is I know
Speaker 2: what I'm getting every week. I can plan for that,
Speaker 2: and I'll I'll take it one step further.
Speaker 3: Brian, when you talk about got them on this, I know,
Speaker 3: and that's fair.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. But but but when you
Speaker 2: talk about the defensive side of the ball, when you
Speaker 2: said Hankins, you know you gotta look at him and
Speaker 2: say the run defense, Well, I think ammor made on
Speaker 2: a stue point there. If you're gonna do that on defense,
Speaker 2: and you gotta do the same on offense and say
Speaker 2: the run offense wasn't great, Right, What's Tyrant also a
Speaker 2: part of that?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 10: The thing that I think I accepted the unknown with
Speaker 10: Tyron Smith because he was so great, because I knew
Speaker 10: I can win twelve games because he's gonna play. You know,
Speaker 10: we saw what others play in the position, how it
Speaker 10: affected the way you're it affected the chance you had
Speaker 10: of winning the football game.
Speaker 9: I still have nightmares from Atlanta.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been a long time, but that's
Speaker 10: but that was a nightmare game. But to me, I
Speaker 10: I think that, like, yeah, I know that it's It's
Speaker 10: not I could wake up in New Jersey and not
Speaker 10: play that day and my chances of winning that game
Speaker 10: went probably way down because of him not being in there.
Speaker 10: But does it I think I would rather accept that.
Speaker 10: I think I would rather accept the unknown of every
Speaker 10: week holding my breath as opposed to this guy we
Speaker 10: got in here right now other than other than Tyler Smith,
Speaker 10: anybody else other than Tyler Smith. Right now, I'm thinking
Speaker 10: there's probably a chance we're going to lose this game today.
Speaker 2: But that's also where I get back to, and I know,
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying the Cowboys have shown no
Speaker 2: desire to want to do this. But I'm looking at
Speaker 2: this roster and I'm saying, if you cannot draft a
Speaker 2: tackle that you think is capable, Tyler Smith will will be.
Speaker 2: I will put money on it. He will be a
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl caliber.
Speaker 10: That's yeah, I agree with you, and I think bass
Speaker 10: is more than case left guard.
Speaker 2: So so you have the answer sitting here if you
Speaker 2: choose to take that option. And that's also why I
Speaker 2: think when you go into the draft, for me, I'm
Speaker 2: looking at center as a more important position. I got
Speaker 2: to get drafted than even tackle because I have an
Speaker 2: answer here. It may not be my preferred answer, but
Speaker 2: it is an answer, and it's a it's a workable answer.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm always going to go center over
Speaker 4: left tackle.
Speaker 8: We had this conversation because I feel like the more
Speaker 8: important part of the offensive line is protecting the interior. Sure,
Speaker 8: and you if you allow the interior to collapse, it
Speaker 8: doesn't much matter what happens on the edges because your
Speaker 8: play is blown up. So I'm really on that for
Speaker 8: a slightly different reason, but I'm with you on that.
Speaker 10: This is why you run the best media department in
Speaker 10: the in the world and not.
Speaker 3: Shot right now.
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Speaker 3: See that you're not wrong.
Speaker 10: If we if we took all the Cowboy Nation and
Speaker 10: got all got in a room, if we all got
Speaker 10: in this one hundred and fifty set meeting room that
Speaker 10: they have with the players and had everybody say that
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Speaker 10: and you would go, okay, well, thanks everybody for coming.
Speaker 3: You know, make sure everything you know.
Speaker 10: But no, that's it's it seems.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I do think we do.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know this about Jerry Jones.
Speaker 10: I know how important it is, and Patrick's absolutely right
Speaker 10: working with Jerry Jones, I know how important it is
Speaker 10: for him to have the middle of the pocket the
Speaker 10: way it is.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: You look at the you.
Speaker 10: Look at the you know they draft a center in
Speaker 10: the first round. Teams were drafted Travis Frederick. I mean,
Speaker 10: like people, he's a third round no that's a first
Speaker 10: round player right there. You know, look what they did
Speaker 10: with Zach Martin. No, we're not taking Johnny Manziel. We're
Speaker 10: taking a guard who played tackle.
Speaker 4: At Notre Dame. We want him in the game.
Speaker 3: We want him a guard.
Speaker 10: They're their Their idea of keeping the front of the
Speaker 10: pocket clean and the ability to step up is important
Speaker 10: to them.
Speaker 3: It's it's a fundamental.
Speaker 10: It's like something if they walk down from the mountain
Speaker 10: with the ten commandments, Thou shall protect the middle of
Speaker 10: the pocket. You know, that's one of their ten commandments
Speaker 10: right there. You know, Jerius Moses is awesome, by the way,
Speaker 10: that would be kind of cool, but you know he
Speaker 10: he get but grow it out, you know you can
Speaker 10: do it right, Yeah, you can absolutely do it. So
Speaker 10: the thing about it is, though, that's a fundamental. That's
Speaker 10: that's my opinion of it. You know, I say, I
Speaker 10: don't know, but I know what their fundamental approaches. Where
Speaker 10: the logical approach is kick that guy to left tackle,
Speaker 10: put bass in there and go out and draft powers
Speaker 10: Johnson from Oregon the center and you've got to off
Speaker 10: art line and Barton.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, going back to the pressure. Are you at a
Speaker 9: poem where you you have to step out of your
Speaker 9: fundamentals and try something different?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to take a break, and then when
Speaker 2: we come back, you can ask that question again and
Speaker 2: we'll see what they have to say.
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Speaker 9: Well, we keep talking about fundamentals and how the Cowboys
Speaker 9: have been all these years. And how they usually handle
Speaker 9: free agency draft. Are we at a point where dot
Speaker 9: te pod is just making so much noise right now
Speaker 9: that you're like, oh my god, this is about to
Speaker 9: tip over where you have to step out of what
Speaker 9: you're used to doing, and now you're kind of forcing
Speaker 9: yourself to try different things or different methods than where
Speaker 9: you're used to doing everything.
Speaker 8: I think there's a difference between fundamentals and.
Speaker 4: Your comfort zone.
Speaker 8: I think those are two different things, and I need
Speaker 8: I think that once you understand that, then you would
Speaker 8: understand my answer to that, which is true, Fundamentals you
Speaker 8: should never get away from. Okay, whether it be you know,
Speaker 8: valuing the interior of the offensive line or the xterior
Speaker 8: of the offensive line, you don't change that just because
Speaker 8: of what you might be going through this offseason free
Speaker 8: agency or how the last season ended. Fundamentals are fundamentals
Speaker 8: for a reason, right you're breathing for a reason. That's
Speaker 8: a fundamental comfort zone. Free agency spending, your method of
Speaker 8: spending or not spending a free agency that's not a fundamental.
Speaker 4: Even if you you know.
Speaker 8: Kind of grabbed a sharpie and wrote that as the
Speaker 8: eleventh commandment on your tablet. That's not actually a fundamental
Speaker 8: that's your comfort zone. That's what you've kind of struct
Speaker 8: I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: I think for this organization. I think their approach to
Speaker 2: free agency is a core principle for them. They believe
Speaker 2: you we heard Stephen talk about it. They believe, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that that would be a core principle, like that
Speaker 2: would be the basis of what they believe and how
Speaker 2: they operate is we are we believe that you're going
Speaker 2: to overpay for free agents, and we're not willing to
Speaker 2: overpay for free agents. As as Steven said, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get to pay a good guy great money or you know,
Speaker 2: he had the whole list. Right, That's a core principles,
Speaker 2: right or wrong. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that is a fundamental, core principle
Speaker 2: for them. That is how they operate. That is how
Speaker 2: they've operated for how many years now, Like that's just
Speaker 2: their approach. If they're gonna spend, they're gonna spend on
Speaker 2: their own guys. They have not gone out and shown
Speaker 2: a propensity to go out to spend in free agency
Speaker 2: for big time free AGENTSY.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 8: In the aspect of what you're saying that it is
Speaker 8: a core principle for them. I disagree that just because
Speaker 8: something that's been deemed a core principle, that that suddenly
Speaker 8: makes it a fundamental Okay, so example.
Speaker 2: Tell me the difference.
Speaker 8: Let's use an example. All right, human body, all right,
Speaker 8: you breathe. Fundamentally, you don't have a choice. If you
Speaker 8: want to keep living, you gotta keep breathing. Right, If
Speaker 8: you want to keep living, you got to keep eating.
Speaker 8: But what if I said my core principle for the
Speaker 8: past twenty years was to eat French fries every day
Speaker 8: at you know, twelve noon, because I have the way,
Speaker 8: right if I felt.
Speaker 2: Like that, your.
Speaker 8: Gravy on the front hot. But let's say I chose
Speaker 8: you because I gotta eat. That's the fundamental thing, right,
Speaker 8: But what and how much I consume or how little
Speaker 8: I consume? That might be a core principle for me,
Speaker 8: and that might work in my favor, it might not
Speaker 8: work in my favorite. If I'm if my core principle
Speaker 8: is I'm going to eat broccoli every day at noon,
Speaker 8: then it's probably going to work in my.
Speaker 4: Say that probably if.
Speaker 2: You say that though in the cowboys world, and take
Speaker 2: that analogy to the cowboys world. What becomes fundamental because
Speaker 2: there is nothing that you have to do. The only
Speaker 2: thing you have to have to stay under the cap.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Well, you have to spend a certain amount of money.
Speaker 2: That's different.
Speaker 4: You got the cap.
Speaker 2: That is that is what. That's not a fundamental principle.
Speaker 2: That is just a law. A fundamental principle is this
Speaker 2: is how we view it, this is how we're going
Speaker 2: to approach it, and it is the basis of what
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 9: Right, he was on the debate team and he's married
Speaker 9: to a lawyer.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just like, tell me where I'm wrong. Here,
Speaker 2: tell me where I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: I was also the team.
Speaker 2: You're not shocking outside playing football.
Speaker 8: I don't think we're as far off as from each
Speaker 8: other's points as we think. I think we're splitting hairs
Speaker 8: because you're not wrong in that. It's it's it is
Speaker 8: their core principle. It's how they deem that they want
Speaker 8: to operate. This is how they feel like what's going
Speaker 8: to put them in the best position for success. But
Speaker 8: then you look around the league and other teams have
Speaker 8: different core principles. And let's talk about the new England
Speaker 8: Patriots during their dynasty years, their core principles turned them
Speaker 8: into at an absolute juggernaut year in year out. Now
Speaker 8: those core principles have changed because now Bill is going
Speaker 8: and all of that. So court principles can change, but
Speaker 8: I don't feel like basic fundamentals can or should change.
Speaker 8: Even if we're talking about the x's and o's, certain
Speaker 8: x's and those at certain positions, there are fundamentals go
Speaker 8: to basketball. If you a fundamental would be the ability
Speaker 8: to shoot a free throw effectively, that's a fundamental. Keep
Speaker 8: your fundamentals down. Now you can shoot threes like Steph Curry,
Speaker 8: that's wonderful, but when you get to the foul line,
Speaker 8: can you do what.
Speaker 10: Would you say their fund What would you say? Was
Speaker 10: it a principal or fundamental? What they changed with trading
Speaker 10: draft picks for players.
Speaker 4: I think that's a principal change.
Speaker 10: I think I don't because that's something they love their picks, right,
Speaker 10: and we saw what they did with Cooks.
Speaker 3: And which goes to my point.
Speaker 2: I think that is a change. That is the core
Speaker 2: principle they decided to change.
Speaker 8: That's which which for me means it's not a fundamental
Speaker 8: because if you can change that, then it's not a
Speaker 8: fundamental certain and that's where we're kind of split.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess I don't. I don't see fundamental.
Speaker 2: I don't define fundamental the way you do. But that's fine.
Speaker 4: That's that's why I said we're not We're not far off.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how to me, to me
Speaker 2: fundamental and and core principle I think are very similar things.
Speaker 4: But but to give to her but to me not
Speaker 4: not the same.
Speaker 2: But but to get to your point, I don't think
Speaker 2: they necessarily are changing. They've shown us this offseason they're
Speaker 2: not looking to necessarily change their core principles of how
Speaker 2: they view roster building. I think they are sticking to
Speaker 2: the principles that they've always had, Like this is not new,
Speaker 2: this is what they've always done. The only difference between
Speaker 2: this year and last year. Last year actually traded for
Speaker 2: some place.
Speaker 3: That's something new.
Speaker 2: But they had to even spend money in free agency.
Speaker 10: But you have, you have They also get before for
Speaker 10: Trey Lance, who they never used.
Speaker 9: Right when what's the last time they faced the situation
Speaker 9: with a quarterback and other potential players CD Lamb, Mica Parsons,
Speaker 9: eventually too, where now they're kind of tight to where
Speaker 9: it changes the amount of spending during free agency and
Speaker 9: what they've done this year, because even their own guys,
Speaker 9: they've lost a lot of their own key players for
Speaker 9: the team, or maybe there were, but I think the
Speaker 9: money has a huge play in the situation. So now
Speaker 9: therefore you're kind of biting the laws of fundamentals whatever
Speaker 9: you want to.
Speaker 2: There's a different set of circumstances this year because you
Speaker 2: didn't do what you normally do.
Speaker 9: Sign exactly, you are now forced to some principles need
Speaker 9: to change.
Speaker 4: To your point, some core principles do that, and I.
Speaker 2: Guess that's the point you're making, is you aren't resigning
Speaker 2: your guys, so what is like.
Speaker 9: You than what you're used to. That's how I think
Speaker 9: the situation is because now as Brian listed everything that's
Speaker 9: going on with the coaching staff and everything that's happened,
Speaker 9: and the amount of pressure and even Jerry Jones he
Speaker 9: said him many many times how much he wants to win,
Speaker 9: and that's I think every year as the years go by,
Speaker 9: that just enhances even more and more and more. So
Speaker 9: it's at a point where, yes, obviously you have to
Speaker 9: drive for the future. I mean, you're bringing young guys.
Speaker 9: That's just the nature of living, and that's what happens.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, now are you looking at
Speaker 9: it a little slightly different because of the pressure and
Speaker 9: the high need that you have for this season.
Speaker 8: I will say that that some core principles need to change.
Speaker 8: It's a short example being when they tried to adopt
Speaker 8: the core principle of wide receiver by committee of blue
Speaker 8: in their face and that now you have a Marii Cooper.
Speaker 8: So certain things like that. Yes, you go into this
Speaker 8: offseason and you say, hey, these are what's happening. We
Speaker 8: can't continue to stick to this, this and this, But
Speaker 8: certain things just need to stay the same, which would
Speaker 8: be like valuing your center over your outside edge.
Speaker 4: Things like that.
Speaker 10: I think quickly, I think they evaluated their team into
Speaker 10: Steven Jones's point he didn't want to pay good money
Speaker 10: for mediocre players. I think that's why they let a
Speaker 10: lot of these guys walk. You know, they they made
Speaker 10: the determination. Maybe it wasn't free agency from the outside,
Speaker 10: but more like inside these players, Tyler, I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 10: not worth ten million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: I think they don't feel like there was a huge
Speaker 2: drop off from him to Hoffman for the money that you're.
Speaker 3: Sure that's the value.
Speaker 8: Yeah, from Sam for the money that.
Speaker 2: And you can argue that, but I think that's again
Speaker 2: it goes back to their core principle of not wanting
Speaker 2: to overpay and free agency even for their own guys,
Speaker 2: if they don't think those guys are necessarily worth the money.
Speaker 2: You know, he's going to get the last word because
Speaker 2: I did get the end the show. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 9: People on social media, please vote who had the best
Speaker 9: the better debate here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's take.
Speaker 2: This is always fun.
Speaker 4: This is what we do, what we did against all right,
Speaker 4: ain't never scar.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. We're back next week. We'll get
Speaker 2: into a little more draft talk because I do want
Speaker 2: to go to some of these names, uh from from
Speaker 2: Brian on some guys that you should be keeping an
Speaker 2: eye on as we approach the draft.
Speaker 3: It's the Draft Show tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I will, but I want you to bring some of
Speaker 2: that to us to We'll watch the Draft Show and
Speaker 2: everybody go out and check out the Draft Show, but
Speaker 2: bring some of that over here. It man talk about
Speaker 2: it till then for Patrick Walker. Brian brought us in Ambergarci.
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