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Speaker 7: And so much for that. It's time for the Break

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Speaker 3: We were on.

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Speaker 8: With Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, April third, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 2: episode number one. This is welcome to the first edition

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Speaker 2: be presented by LG. So, how's everybody doing today? We're good.

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 2: It is episode number one of this season. So we're

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Speaker 2: in twenty sea. This is our twentieth season. I'm doing

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Speaker 2: Cowboys Break, all right, and this is episode number one.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 9: And by the way, there's timetable here, like why today.

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Speaker 3: So there you go, the one consistent. He said, twenty years.

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Speaker 9: Shut your dumb No, I.

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Speaker 2: Was not saying it like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you the information. One consists about twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Bacib strikes of it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure, fairst of all the twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I will say this, there was a brief period.

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Speaker 2: And then I just kind of was like, do it.

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Speaker 2: Thought that would have been talking cowboys.

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Speaker 3: That was talking cowboys.

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Speaker 3: And I remember, I remember working with all those folks.

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Speaker 2: In writing unless you can bring him.

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Speaker 2: Him everything unless you guys take care of you.

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Speaker 10: I have an idea. I want to get some things

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Speaker 10: Think he's more to me. I feel like that when

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Speaker 10: Okay, Peyton Wilson, Wallace. Keep an eye on these cats,

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Speaker 10: both of them. Instincts downhill players, tough, make every single tackle,

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Speaker 10: Calls you at twenty eight, and you could pick up

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Speaker 10: The way the Cowboys have got this thing set up,

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Speaker 2: But two things worry me about. You put these injury together.

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Speaker 2: And that's the part that really concerned me. And by

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Speaker 9: But given with how much is a stake this year,

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Speaker 9: how much because of the cap, how much they're going

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Speaker 9: that maybe they're not willing to do some kind of don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't know that they're going to depart from their

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Speaker 4: So it's it's contextual.

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Speaker 8: But I don't think that this is a situation where

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Speaker 10: This is the scary thing. And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 10: are you thinking about the fact that, like a lot

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Speaker 10: you got to think about And I know a guy

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Speaker 10: like I say on Mike Zamra, I know how Mike operates.

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Speaker 10: Mike is a bring me whoever you got guy, I'll

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Speaker 10: coach you. I'll tell you what I like in a player,

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Speaker 10: Green Bay. Teddy Thompson picked the players Mike. The coaches

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Speaker 10: I think Mike trust Will and this crew to find

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Speaker 10: Mike has been conditioned himself to take a step back

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Speaker 3: But you do wonder, you do wonder is how.

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Speaker 10: Much influence will coaches have on this draft, knowing that

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Speaker 10: potentially it could be a completely different staff. But that's

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Speaker 10: got to go out and like Patrick said, you go out,

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Speaker 10: you have a plan for what you want to do,

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Speaker 10: You get your players, you go forward, and you hope

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Speaker 10: that you know, everything works out. But that's a little

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Speaker 9: Deal, and on top of that, I think you have

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Speaker 2: Really, I don't think that has one even small amount

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Speaker 2: I don't yeah, and I don't think that at all

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Speaker 10: It's not the outside pressure. It's the eternal pressure of.

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Speaker 3: Not signed free agents. That's that's a legitimate.

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Speaker 2: Pressure because of what it means, like what it's left you.

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Speaker 10: Now put a lot of pressure on two areas. One

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Speaker 10: The one thing that Jones family will do is they

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Speaker 10: Look at what they've done.

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Speaker 10: Guys like that that they the money that they've spent.

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Speaker 10: They will spend money on undrafted free agents. You know

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Speaker 10: Bass like a fifth round guy. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: You know, they're willing to do that. This puts a

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Speaker 10: last year's draft. You know, and we'll see what happens

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Speaker 10: see what happens with Overshown. You know, you still got

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Speaker 10: to give it a chance. But the thing that now

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Speaker 10: That's the next that's gonna be instead of just signing

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Speaker 2: And not to get too far into draft talk, but

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Speaker 2: looking even more so this year for opportunities to trade

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Speaker 2: I think that could be another strategy where they're trying

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we talked about it yesterday, just kind of offline

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Speaker 8: I think they're going to go into the draft trying

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Speaker 8: do expect at least one trade back, maybe Day one,

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Speaker 2: dot Com. All right, so let's jump in. Uh, here's

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Speaker 2: what I wanted to to talk about let's talk or actually,

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, we just got some breaking news.

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Speaker 2: We'll go to Let's go to Patrick and get that

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Speaker 2: that break news. That's old school. Most people don't get that, right.

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Speaker 2: I got that coming.

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Speaker 4: Through on the wire, right.

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Speaker 8: Cowboys have officially agreed to terms with swing tackle Tonydogas.

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Speaker 8: So this will be a second a second goal for

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Speaker 8: cho Manydoga with the Cowboys. It's on a one year

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Speaker 8: deal through twenty twenty four. Does this absolutely guarantee Edoga spot. No,

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Speaker 8: he will be up against whomever the Cowboys decide to

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Speaker 8: pick in the draft, assuming they go at tackle, and

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Speaker 8: then of course we'll see what happens in undrafted free agency.

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Speaker 8: But still an uphill battle for a doga between mini camp,

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Speaker 8: training camp, preseason. He's gonna have to earn his roster spot.

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Speaker 8: But as it stands, he's got one on the team.

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Speaker 2: And I still say keep an eye on Tyler Smith.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a done deal after Tyring isn't

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Speaker 2: coming back. I just say keep an eye on it.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what a first moving this.

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Speaker 2: As far as moving to tackle.

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Speaker 3: I do I feel like that the.

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Speaker 2: Draft, that draft is going to dictate.

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Speaker 3: I think the draft will dictate that, all right, So.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want to do. I want to I

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Speaker 2: want you guys to think about these names. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, you could throw in another name if you choose.

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Speaker 2: But if you had to say one player was the

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Speaker 2: biggest loss for Dallas in free agency, a guy that

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Speaker 2: signed somewhere else, that was here last year, who would

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Speaker 2: you say it is. I'll throw out some names. Dorn's Armstrong,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Biattish, Tyron Smith, Tony Pollard, Dante Fowler, Jonathan Hankins.

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Speaker 4: It's Tyron Smith for me, and I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 8: I know you're you're gung ho, and I'm not mad

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Speaker 8: at that your gung ho about the Tyler Smith to

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Speaker 8: left tackle.

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Speaker 4: I get it. We've had the conversation.

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Speaker 8: My only thing was, and I know I've heard Brian

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Speaker 8: say this before, so I think we're on the same

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Speaker 8: page with this.

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Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 8: It's not that we we aren't in on that, because

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Speaker 8: we're in on that, but it's the fact that the

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Speaker 8: team has shown such adversity. I'm such an adverse reaction

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Speaker 8: to me. You don't think that will that I don't

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Speaker 8: feel like I should spend that innergy that's thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 8: But I feel like if that holds true and they

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Speaker 8: are still so verse to possibly moving because even when

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Speaker 8: you hear Mike McCarthy speak from the owners meetings, he

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Speaker 8: basically said, well, yeah, it's an option, but the way

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Speaker 8: he downplayed it was like, that's not our first, second,

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Speaker 8: the third option.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 8: So that being said, if that holds true, then the

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Speaker 8: loss of Tyrone Smith weighs very large for me because

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Speaker 8: who's your left tackle? If you keeping tid I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: pass it off. You almost got me fired. And my

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Speaker 8: boss is the one asking the question, trying to I'll

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Speaker 8: tell you all jokes aside, he's not your answer starting

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Speaker 8: to left tackle.

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Speaker 2: Your leader quotquote.

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Speaker 3: Unemployment office, I man just yanked the wheel on it.

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Speaker 9: Know.

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Speaker 8: So if they hold firm on well, depending on how

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Speaker 8: the draft shakes out, I think the answer is in

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Speaker 8: the draft. If you don't get your answer in the draft,

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Speaker 8: you're in huge trouble period.

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Speaker 4: Bottom line.

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Speaker 2: But as Brian has told us, this is a very

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Speaker 2: deep draft for tackle there. If you don't get in

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Speaker 2: the first round, you might not.

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Speaker 4: Just you have to find your insight at some point

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Speaker 4: in the draft. Yeah. Yeah, and it doesn't have to

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Speaker 4: be day one, but you have to find us get.

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Speaker 2: About awesome too. I do think that's something we should

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: I think last year camp there was enough there to

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Speaker 2: make me say a little more development. He might be

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Speaker 2: a guy that could be answered. But keep going, Bran.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know it's funny. I keep if you would

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Speaker 10: have just said, and I love Fowler and Armstrong and

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Speaker 10: those guys, if you would have just said, who's a

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Speaker 10: bigger loss, Tyron Smith or Jonathan Hankins, if you focus

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Speaker 10: it even that way, let me ask you this, did

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Speaker 10: the Cowboys run defense really play better with Jonathan Hankins

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Speaker 10: in there? Do we still have questions even if you

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Speaker 10: had Jonathan Hankins back, which you still have questions about.

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Speaker 3: The run defense? Fair? You know That's the thing.

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Speaker 10: I just kind of keep circling back because we talked

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Speaker 10: they don't have a one technique on this roster right now.

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Speaker 10: I mean they're gonna try and get Mozzie Smith built

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Speaker 10: back up and hopefully he can help out.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're okay.

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Speaker 10: At three, Patrick told us the Murphy from Texas is

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Speaker 10: coming in.

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Speaker 3: He's a three technique. He's best three technique in the draft.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he seriously you talk about a but

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Speaker 10: he's not a one technique. He's a three, you know,

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Speaker 10: and you've got some three techniques already on this team.

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Speaker 10: Maybe it doesn't keep you from draft, but it's gotta

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Speaker 10: be Tyron Smith, right. I mean even though if you

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Speaker 10: say that we hey, they don't have a one, but

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Speaker 10: were they really? Were they really that much better with

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Speaker 10: Jonathan Hankins, So immediately all think Kyler, it's the run

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Speaker 10: defense is wrecked. They weren't very good with him in

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Speaker 10: there at times, so maybe they needed to go a

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Speaker 10: different route on this. So I would lean to Tyron Smith,

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Speaker 10: is what I would say.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how much Yeah, talking out

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Speaker 2: of this one, how much was the poor run defense

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Speaker 2: a reflection of specifically Hankins play or the poor linebacker play?

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Speaker 10: I think this is why we're getting all these linebackers

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Speaker 10: on thirty visit, you know, and legitimate downhill fix.

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Speaker 2: Right, you put Hankins with one of those linebackers in

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Speaker 2: the run defense?

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Speaker 3: Fix? Is my question.

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Speaker 10: Kendrick's my guy Wallace from Kentucky. You know, give me

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Speaker 10: one of give me that comed you know, Demon Clark.

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Speaker 10: I think the Moon Clark. The thing about him is

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Speaker 10: he went backwards for me and I was expecting him

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Speaker 10: to go forward. And maybe that had something to do

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Speaker 10: with Layton Vanderesh being out. Yeah, you know, things started

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Speaker 10: to kind of you know, it kind of because too much.

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Speaker 3: But maybe the whole run defense itself.

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Speaker 10: Maybe it's not just Jonathan Hankins, as you say, maybe

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Speaker 10: it's Jonathan Hankins linebackers safety play or undersize safety is

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Speaker 10: trying to play as linebackers. Yeah, you know, but the

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Speaker 10: Tyron Smith one hurts you just because now you're in

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Speaker 10: a moment where you maybe have to move an all

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Speaker 10: pro guard or you're going to have to use the

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Speaker 10: twenty fourth pick overall on a tackle. That's the one.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of moving parts with that Tyron Smith loss.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think you definitely saw the different friends. Uh,

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Speaker 9: when Jonathan Hankins was there versus him not being there,

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Speaker 9: we got a good look at what that was like

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Speaker 9: for a brief period there. But with Tyler's Tyron Smith

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Speaker 9: right now, and I say this right now, I'm not

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Speaker 9: suffering the loss as much just because I feel like

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Speaker 9: it's been coming for years now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to ask you the question.

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Speaker 10: You you've all along kind of been like, I don't

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Speaker 10: want to be held hostage. I'm sorry if I'm saying

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Speaker 10: it's the wrong way. I don't want to be held

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Speaker 10: hostage by the position anymore. You've you've been all along,

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Speaker 10: and you've been You've been, You've been upfront about that.

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Speaker 10: You're like, listen, I keep dealing with this every year.

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Speaker 10: I keep dealing with the unknown.

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Speaker 3: Is that? Are you okay with moving on? You're like,

660
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Speaker 3: you're okay with this?

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Speaker 9: Right, I've been okay because of that, I think, Uh,

662
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Speaker 9: someone who suffers from anxiety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what.

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Speaker 10: I was speaking to a lot of cowboy fans.

665
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Speaker 9: I like to know what actually I got going on.

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Speaker 9: You know, the an injury you cannot predict and all that,

667
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Speaker 9: But when you have a recurrent issue, okay, you know

668
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Speaker 9: what you can possibly expect.

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Speaker 3: So I think.

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Speaker 9: And that's not to say that when he was on

671
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Speaker 9: the field he was invaluable, because he really really was

672
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Speaker 9: and has been. But I think more so than him

673
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Speaker 9: just leaving is the fact that even with him being here,

674
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Speaker 9: let's say he was still here, I still have a

675
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Speaker 9: crap ton of questions around the O line in general,

676
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Speaker 9: because they were not They were good protecting Dak. They

677
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Speaker 9: were pretty solid protecting him in the passing game, but

678
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Speaker 9: what was happening in the run game. That is a

679
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 9: big issue, and that is an area that the Cowboys

680
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 9: definitely need to improve because they need to create balance

681
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 9: in that game. We did not see a good running

682
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 9: game throughout the whole season. Maybe against Washington, yeah, and

683
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 9: that was really if that I can remember, But in general,

684
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Speaker 9: I think I just have huge questions in the O line.

685
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 9: So I think that Tyron Smith, Yeah, you're gonna miss

686
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 9: him in some aspect, but it frees you from allowing

687
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Speaker 9: yourself to now be forced to what is the future

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Speaker 9: from this point moving forward and for you to actually

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Speaker 9: have a clear vision, hopefully of what the old line

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Speaker 9: is gonna look like from this point one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you and Bro. I think that

692
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Speaker 2: for me, it really is more Hankins than Tyrone because

693
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Speaker 2: I've also been in that same camp with you tear

694
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Speaker 2: the band aid off at some point you gotta do it.

695
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Speaker 2: It's hard to walk away from really great players. But

696
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: we've seen a consistent pattern you can't get more consistent

697
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: than knowing Tyron is not going to be able to

698
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Speaker 2: play seventeen games. We know this, This is historically a fact, right,

699
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Speaker 2: And so I'm just like, I can't. I can't continue

700
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: to always every week get to that Saturday night, like

701
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: you say, Brian, like literally wake up Sunday morning and

702
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it's been good, but all of a

703
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: sudden something cropped up and now we got a problem,

704
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: and now he can't play. I just can't. I don't

705
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: want to have to live in that world anymore. I

706
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: have enough question marks. I'd rather go ahead and move on.

707
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: And even if that means that the guy have maybe

708
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: a little lesser right now, the point is I know

709
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: what I'm getting every week. I can plan for that,

710
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: and I'll I'll take it one step further.

711
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Speaker 3: Brian, when you talk about got them on this, I know,

712
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: and that's fair.

713
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. But but but when you

714
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: talk about the defensive side of the ball, when you

715
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: said Hankins, you know you gotta look at him and

716
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: say the run defense, Well, I think ammor made on

717
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: a stue point there. If you're gonna do that on defense,

718
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: and you gotta do the same on offense and say

719
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: the run offense wasn't great, Right, What's Tyrant also a

720
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: part of that?

721
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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 10: The thing that I think I accepted the unknown with

723
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 10: Tyron Smith because he was so great, because I knew

724
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Speaker 10: I can win twelve games because he's gonna play. You know,

725
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Speaker 10: we saw what others play in the position, how it

726
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 10: affected the way you're it affected the chance you had

727
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Speaker 10: of winning the football game.

728
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 9: I still have nightmares from Atlanta.

729
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been a long time, but that's

730
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 10: but that was a nightmare game. But to me, I

731
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Speaker 10: I think that, like, yeah, I know that it's It's

732
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 10: not I could wake up in New Jersey and not

733
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Speaker 10: play that day and my chances of winning that game

734
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 10: went probably way down because of him not being in there.

735
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Speaker 10: But does it I think I would rather accept that.

736
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Speaker 10: I think I would rather accept the unknown of every

737
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 10: week holding my breath as opposed to this guy we

738
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 10: got in here right now other than other than Tyler Smith,

739
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 10: anybody else other than Tyler Smith. Right now, I'm thinking

740
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 10: there's probably a chance we're going to lose this game today.

741
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Speaker 2: But that's also where I get back to, and I know,

742
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying the Cowboys have shown no

743
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: desire to want to do this. But I'm looking at

744
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: this roster and I'm saying, if you cannot draft a

745
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: tackle that you think is capable, Tyler Smith will will be.

746
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Speaker 2: I will put money on it. He will be a

747
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl caliber.

748
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Speaker 10: That's yeah, I agree with you, and I think bass

749
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 10: is more than case left guard.

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Speaker 2: So so you have the answer sitting here if you

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Speaker 2: choose to take that option. And that's also why I

752
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Speaker 2: think when you go into the draft, for me, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at center as a more important position. I got

754
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Speaker 2: to get drafted than even tackle because I have an

755
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Speaker 2: answer here. It may not be my preferred answer, but

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Speaker 2: it is an answer, and it's a it's a workable answer.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm always going to go center over

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Speaker 4: left tackle.

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Speaker 8: We had this conversation because I feel like the more

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Speaker 8: important part of the offensive line is protecting the interior. Sure,

761
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 8: and you if you allow the interior to collapse, it

762
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 8: doesn't much matter what happens on the edges because your

763
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 8: play is blown up. So I'm really on that for

764
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 8: a slightly different reason, but I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 10: This is why you run the best media department in

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Speaker 10: the in the world and not.

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Speaker 3: Shot right now.

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Speaker 10: They would walk down, they would say, they would say, Derek,

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Speaker 10: congratulations here you run one of the most powerful media

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Speaker 10: entities in the world. You're not picking play see but

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Speaker 10: you're not wrong.

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Speaker 3: See that you're not wrong.

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Speaker 10: If we if we took all the Cowboy Nation and

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Speaker 10: got all got in a room, if we all got

775
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 10: in this one hundred and fifty set meeting room that

776
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 10: they have with the players and had everybody say that

777
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 10: everybody's with you, and they would walk in and say nope, nope,

778
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Speaker 10: and you would go, okay, well, thanks everybody for coming.

779
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Speaker 3: You know, make sure everything you know.

780
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Speaker 10: But no, that's it's it seems.

781
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

782
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I do think we do.

783
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

784
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do know this about Jerry Jones.

785
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 10: I know how important it is, and Patrick's absolutely right

786
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 10: working with Jerry Jones, I know how important it is

787
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 10: for him to have the middle of the pocket the

788
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 10: way it is.

789
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: That's it.

790
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: You look at the you.

791
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 10: Look at the you know they draft a center in

792
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 10: the first round. Teams were drafted Travis Frederick. I mean,

793
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 10: like people, he's a third round no that's a first

794
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 10: round player right there. You know, look what they did

795
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 10: with Zach Martin. No, we're not taking Johnny Manziel. We're

796
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 10: taking a guard who played tackle.

797
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: At Notre Dame. We want him in the game.

798
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: We want him a guard.

799
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Speaker 10: They're their Their idea of keeping the front of the

800
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 10: pocket clean and the ability to step up is important

801
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 10: to them.

802
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: It's it's a fundamental.

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Speaker 10: It's like something if they walk down from the mountain

804
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 10: with the ten commandments, Thou shall protect the middle of

805
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 10: the pocket. You know, that's one of their ten commandments

806
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 10: right there. You know, Jerius Moses is awesome, by the way,

807
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Speaker 10: that would be kind of cool, but you know he

808
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Speaker 10: he get but grow it out, you know you can

809
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 10: do it right, Yeah, you can absolutely do it. So

810
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 10: the thing about it is, though, that's a fundamental. That's

811
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Speaker 10: that's my opinion of it. You know, I say, I

812
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Speaker 10: don't know, but I know what their fundamental approaches. Where

813
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 10: the logical approach is kick that guy to left tackle,

814
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 10: put bass in there and go out and draft powers

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Speaker 10: Johnson from Oregon the center and you've got to off

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Speaker 2: From Duke and now now Amber.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, going back to the pressure. Are you at a

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Speaker 9: poem where you you have to step out of your

820
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Speaker 9: fundamentals and try something different?

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Speaker 3: Camps Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Final second of the Reach today live from s TOWBC

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Speaker 2: Mortgage Studios at the Star, presented by l g amber

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Speaker 2: Just before the break, you had a question, let's throw

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Speaker 2: that question back out there.

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Speaker 9: Well, we keep talking about fundamentals and how the Cowboys

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Speaker 9: have been all these years. And how they usually handle

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Speaker 9: free agency draft. Are we at a point where dot

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Speaker 9: te pod is just making so much noise right now

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Speaker 9: that you're like, oh my god, this is about to

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Speaker 9: tip over where you have to step out of what

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Speaker 9: you're used to doing, and now you're kind of forcing

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Speaker 9: yourself to try different things or different methods than where

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Speaker 9: you're used to doing everything.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a difference between fundamentals and.

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Speaker 4: Your comfort zone.

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Speaker 8: I think those are two different things, and I need

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Speaker 8: I think that once you understand that, then you would

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Speaker 8: understand my answer to that, which is true, Fundamentals you

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Speaker 8: should never get away from. Okay, whether it be you know,

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Speaker 8: valuing the interior of the offensive line or the xterior

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Speaker 8: of the offensive line, you don't change that just because

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Speaker 8: of what you might be going through this offseason free

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Speaker 8: agency or how the last season ended. Fundamentals are fundamentals

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Speaker 8: for a reason, right you're breathing for a reason. That's

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Speaker 8: a fundamental comfort zone. Free agency spending, your method of

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Speaker 8: spending or not spending a free agency that's not a fundamental.

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Speaker 4: Even if you you know.

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Speaker 8: Kind of grabbed a sharpie and wrote that as the

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Speaker 8: eleventh commandment on your tablet. That's not actually a fundamental

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Speaker 8: that's your comfort zone. That's what you've kind of struct

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Speaker 8: I disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think for this organization. I think their approach to

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Speaker 2: free agency is a core principle for them. They believe

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Speaker 2: you we heard Stephen talk about it. They believe, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that that would be a core principle, like that

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Speaker 2: would be the basis of what they believe and how

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Speaker 2: they operate is we are we believe that you're going

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Speaker 2: to overpay for free agents, and we're not willing to

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Speaker 2: overpay for free agents. As as Steven said, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: get to pay a good guy great money or you know,

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Speaker 2: he had the whole list. Right, That's a core principles,

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Speaker 2: right or wrong. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that is a fundamental, core principle

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Speaker 2: for them. That is how they operate. That is how

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Speaker 2: they've operated for how many years now, Like that's just

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Speaker 2: their approach. If they're gonna spend, they're gonna spend on

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Speaker 2: their own guys. They have not gone out and shown

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Speaker 2: a propensity to go out to spend in free agency

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Speaker 2: for big time free AGENTSY.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 8: In the aspect of what you're saying that it is

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Speaker 8: a core principle for them. I disagree that just because

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Speaker 8: something that's been deemed a core principle, that that suddenly

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Speaker 8: makes it a fundamental Okay, so example.

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Speaker 2: Tell me the difference.

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Speaker 8: Let's use an example. All right, human body, all right,

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Speaker 8: you breathe. Fundamentally, you don't have a choice. If you

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Speaker 8: want to keep living, you gotta keep breathing. Right, If

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Speaker 8: you want to keep living, you got to keep eating.

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Speaker 8: But what if I said my core principle for the

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Speaker 8: past twenty years was to eat French fries every day

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Speaker 8: at you know, twelve noon, because I have the way,

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Speaker 8: right if I felt.

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Speaker 2: Like that, your.

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Speaker 8: Gravy on the front hot. But let's say I chose

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Speaker 8: you because I gotta eat. That's the fundamental thing, right,

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Speaker 8: But what and how much I consume or how little

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Speaker 8: I consume? That might be a core principle for me,

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Speaker 8: and that might work in my favor, it might not

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Speaker 8: work in my favorite. If I'm if my core principle

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Speaker 8: is I'm going to eat broccoli every day at noon,

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Speaker 8: then it's probably going to work in my.

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Speaker 4: Say that probably if.

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Speaker 2: You say that though in the cowboys world, and take

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Speaker 2: that analogy to the cowboys world. What becomes fundamental because

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Speaker 2: there is nothing that you have to do. The only

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Speaker 2: thing you have to have to stay under the cap.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Well, you have to spend a certain amount of money.

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Speaker 2: That's different.

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Speaker 4: You got the cap.

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Speaker 2: That is that is what. That's not a fundamental principle.

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Speaker 2: That is just a law. A fundamental principle is this

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Speaker 2: is how we view it, this is how we're going

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Speaker 2: to approach it, and it is the basis of what

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Speaker 2: we do.

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Speaker 9: Right, he was on the debate team and he's married

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Speaker 9: to a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just like, tell me where I'm wrong. Here,

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Speaker 2: tell me where I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: I was also the team.

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Speaker 2: You're not shocking outside playing football.

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Speaker 8: I don't think we're as far off as from each

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Speaker 8: other's points as we think. I think we're splitting hairs

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Speaker 8: because you're not wrong in that. It's it's it is

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Speaker 8: their core principle. It's how they deem that they want

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Speaker 8: to operate. This is how they feel like what's going

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Speaker 8: to put them in the best position for success. But

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Speaker 8: then you look around the league and other teams have

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Speaker 8: different core principles. And let's talk about the new England

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Speaker 8: Patriots during their dynasty years, their core principles turned them

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Speaker 8: into at an absolute juggernaut year in year out. Now

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Speaker 8: those core principles have changed because now Bill is going

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Speaker 8: and all of that. So court principles can change, but

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Speaker 8: I don't feel like basic fundamentals can or should change.

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Speaker 8: Even if we're talking about the x's and o's, certain

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Speaker 8: x's and those at certain positions, there are fundamentals go

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Speaker 8: to basketball. If you a fundamental would be the ability

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Speaker 8: to shoot a free throw effectively, that's a fundamental. Keep

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Speaker 8: your fundamentals down. Now you can shoot threes like Steph Curry,

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Speaker 8: that's wonderful, but when you get to the foul line,

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Speaker 8: can you do what.

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Speaker 10: Would you say their fund What would you say? Was

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Speaker 10: it a principal or fundamental? What they changed with trading

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Speaker 10: draft picks for players.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a principal change.

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Speaker 10: I think I don't because that's something they love their picks, right,

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Speaker 10: and we saw what they did with Cooks.

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Speaker 3: And which goes to my point.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a change. That is the core

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Speaker 2: principle they decided to change.

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Speaker 8: That's which which for me means it's not a fundamental

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Speaker 8: because if you can change that, then it's not a

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Speaker 8: fundamental certain and that's where we're kind of split.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess I don't. I don't see fundamental.

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Speaker 2: I don't define fundamental the way you do. But that's fine.

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Speaker 4: That's that's why I said we're not We're not far off.

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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how to me, to me

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Speaker 2: fundamental and and core principle I think are very similar things.

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Speaker 4: But but to give to her but to me not

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Speaker 4: not the same.

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Speaker 2: But but to get to your point, I don't think

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Speaker 2: they necessarily are changing. They've shown us this offseason they're

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Speaker 2: not looking to necessarily change their core principles of how

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Speaker 2: they view roster building. I think they are sticking to

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Speaker 2: the principles that they've always had, Like this is not new,

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Speaker 2: this is what they've always done. The only difference between

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Speaker 2: this year and last year. Last year actually traded for

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Speaker 2: some place.

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Speaker 3: That's something new.

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Speaker 2: But they had to even spend money in free agency.

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Speaker 10: But you have, you have They also get before for

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Speaker 10: Trey Lance, who they never used.

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Speaker 9: Right when what's the last time they faced the situation

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Speaker 9: with a quarterback and other potential players CD Lamb, Mica Parsons,

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Speaker 9: eventually too, where now they're kind of tight to where

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Speaker 9: it changes the amount of spending during free agency and

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Speaker 9: what they've done this year, because even their own guys,

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Speaker 9: they've lost a lot of their own key players for

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Speaker 9: the team, or maybe there were, but I think the

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Speaker 9: money has a huge play in the situation. So now

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Speaker 9: therefore you're kind of biting the laws of fundamentals whatever

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Speaker 9: you want to.

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Speaker 2: There's a different set of circumstances this year because you

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Speaker 2: didn't do what you normally do.

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Speaker 9: Sign exactly, you are now forced to some principles need

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Speaker 9: to change.

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Speaker 4: To your point, some core principles do that, and I.

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Speaker 2: Guess that's the point you're making, is you aren't resigning

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Speaker 2: your guys, so what is like.

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Speaker 9: You than what you're used to. That's how I think

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Speaker 9: the situation is because now as Brian listed everything that's

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Speaker 9: going on with the coaching staff and everything that's happened,

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Speaker 9: and the amount of pressure and even Jerry Jones he

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Speaker 9: said him many many times how much he wants to win,

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Speaker 9: and that's I think every year as the years go by,

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Speaker 9: that just enhances even more and more and more. So

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Speaker 9: it's at a point where, yes, obviously you have to

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Speaker 9: drive for the future. I mean, you're bringing young guys.

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Speaker 9: That's just the nature of living, and that's what happens.

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Speaker 9: But at the same time, now are you looking at

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Speaker 9: it a little slightly different because of the pressure and

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Speaker 9: the high need that you have for this season.

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Speaker 8: I will say that that some core principles need to change.

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Speaker 8: It's a short example being when they tried to adopt

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Speaker 8: the core principle of wide receiver by committee of blue

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Speaker 8: in their face and that now you have a Marii Cooper.

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Speaker 8: So certain things like that. Yes, you go into this

1057
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Speaker 8: offseason and you say, hey, these are what's happening. We

1058
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Speaker 8: can't continue to stick to this, this and this, But

1059
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Speaker 8: certain things just need to stay the same, which would

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Speaker 8: be like valuing your center over your outside edge.

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Speaker 4: Things like that.

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Speaker 10: I think quickly, I think they evaluated their team into

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Speaker 10: Steven Jones's point he didn't want to pay good money

1064
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Speaker 10: for mediocre players. I think that's why they let a

1065
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Speaker 10: lot of these guys walk. You know, they they made

1066
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Speaker 10: the determination. Maybe it wasn't free agency from the outside,

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Speaker 10: but more like inside these players, Tyler, I'm sorry, you're

1068
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Speaker 10: not worth ten million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: I think they don't feel like there was a huge

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Speaker 2: drop off from him to Hoffman for the money that you're.

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Speaker 3: Sure that's the value.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, from Sam for the money that.

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Speaker 2: And you can argue that, but I think that's again

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Speaker 2: it goes back to their core principle of not wanting

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Speaker 2: to overpay and free agency even for their own guys,

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Speaker 2: if they don't think those guys are necessarily worth the money.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's going to get the last word because

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Speaker 2: I did get the end the show. I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 9: People on social media, please vote who had the best

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Speaker 9: the better debate here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's take.

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Speaker 2: This is always fun.

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Speaker 4: This is what we do, what we did against all right,

1084
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Speaker 4: ain't never scar.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. We're back next week. We'll get

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Speaker 2: into a little more draft talk because I do want

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Speaker 2: to go to some of these names, uh from from

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Speaker 2: Brian on some guys that you should be keeping an

1089
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Speaker 2: eye on as we approach the draft.

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Speaker 3: It's the Draft Show tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I will, but I want you to bring some of

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Speaker 2: that to us to We'll watch the Draft Show and

1093
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Speaker 2: everybody go out and check out the Draft Show, but

1094
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Speaker 2: bring some of that over here. It man talk about

1095
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Speaker 2: it till then for Patrick Walker. Brian brought us in Ambergarci.

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