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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday to everybody. Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brondess, I am
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Speaker 1: yonder at the tent. The sand Blasters back this morning.
Speaker 1: Mickey's feisty. We're ready to roll here. It's chill. It's
Speaker 1: chilly this morning. Yeah it is. I must have to
Speaker 1: wear my sweatpants. Got your Harbor jacket on you. It
Speaker 1: feels like bar harbor or all of a sudden, nice
Speaker 1: place there, that bar harbor? Yea is it is? What
Speaker 1: about that practice yesterday? What about let's start right there,
Speaker 1: we start right there. We got to talk football. I'll
Speaker 1: talk some football. We'll talk a lot of football. We
Speaker 1: get talk my mom asked, my mom asked, we talk
Speaker 1: football today. I got my mom watches this show every day.
Speaker 1: I got a whole page to get contract stuff right
Speaker 1: here go, Oh you got contracts. We can get to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rob will get to it now, he'll get to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This brought us, always keeps us in line. She's not
Speaker 1: afraid to save the show is not good too. I
Speaker 1: love it for that. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, fans on periscope, yes, we love
Speaker 1: questions we did Ryan, Yeah, and absolutely, and we'll get
Speaker 1: to those two during the show. But yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: Zeke update, dak Amari updates. We can get to that
Speaker 1: a little bit later. We've got what a hand? We
Speaker 1: got some finger Yeah, we've got a practice update. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got some I got some questions for you guys
Speaker 1: on some I love some progress reports. I love these guys.
Speaker 1: We had a big show today. But why don't we
Speaker 1: start with the injury. Yes, Robert Quinn break it down
Speaker 1: for us. Doctor Spagnola got a broken bone in his hand.
Speaker 1: Had to go back home to have it surgically repaired,
Speaker 1: which means they're putting a pin in one of these
Speaker 1: little small bones in your hand. I think I read
Speaker 1: where they compared it to DeMarco Murray's broken hand. So
Speaker 1: that means probably one of these bones right here right,
Speaker 1: and that he should be able to get back in
Speaker 1: play so by the season opener. And I would imagine
Speaker 1: if I remember with Murray, he kind of padded, patted
Speaker 1: it up, the Mickey mouse hand wrapped it up, and
Speaker 1: he had to carry the football. Robert Quinn doesn't have
Speaker 1: to carry the football. So uh, it might have hurt
Speaker 1: him from grabbing the offensive tackle, but uh, looks like
Speaker 1: he should be back. And then we'll see where the
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford's broken finger goes. I was right there when
Speaker 1: he was walking off with one of the athletic trainers.
Speaker 1: That didn't that didn't that looked painful. Yeah, I'll say that. Yeah, Uh,
Speaker 1: dislocated finger. They're checking to see if there's more in there, right,
Speaker 1: something in addition to put a splint on it, wrap
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. Nineteen sixty four, let's go. Let's go
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, Chicago Heights. You know, going back, Bucca, let
Speaker 1: a finger keep him out going back on The Quinn
Speaker 1: injury happened when he was trying to swat Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: and he caught Tyron Smith's brace. You know, Tyren Smith
Speaker 1: wears the big big like he's got a knee brace.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Tyren Smith, he wears it basically
Speaker 1: a knee brace on his elbow. That's how big of
Speaker 1: a you know, his arm is to have to take
Speaker 1: the brace and it fits like an elbow brace. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Quinn tried to slap him with the left hand, got
Speaker 1: the left hand extended, it went into Smith's brace. Smith
Speaker 1: was trying to get rid of his hands and the
Speaker 1: brace came across and it just bent his hand. You
Speaker 1: could see the impact of the brace on the bone
Speaker 1: or on the top of the hand. And as soon
Speaker 1: as it happened, Quinn knew he just stopped. He just
Speaker 1: stopped his rush and you know, his hand was basically
Speaker 1: just hanging like that, but a lot of heads. He
Speaker 1: was trying to get inside leverage on Tyren Smith on
Speaker 1: the rush, left hand extended, and Smith's brace just caught
Speaker 1: him right on that and that's what probably it broke
Speaker 1: the bone, and there was some suspense out here. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously he's an important going to be an important player
Speaker 1: for this team, and head athletic trainer Jim Mauer spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time after practice with the Jones family
Speaker 1: updating them, and you're kind of wondering for a second,
Speaker 1: what's going on here, Stephen Jones. Let everybody know what's
Speaker 1: going on with him. It's it's a significant injury because
Speaker 1: it's the caliber of player it is. Obviously it's good
Speaker 1: that they expect him back for week one. But man,
Speaker 1: you know that's the other side of the past rush
Speaker 1: where you know, DeMarcus Lawrence is coming back from an
Speaker 1: injury too, and so you're you're pointing for both of
Speaker 1: those guys for week one. Uh, if it's gonna happen, happen. Now,
Speaker 1: where's the Taco drop? Uh? Huh? Saw Taco rush yesterday
Speaker 1: though against I think you might as might have saw
Speaker 1: it as well. Zack and yeah, that's Zack And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was would have been a sack fumble.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that the way that Taco did,
Speaker 1: he showed balance and when Taco, when Taco shows balance,
Speaker 1: he has a chance. I was down in the corner
Speaker 1: of the bag drills where they go through. I have
Speaker 1: you ever come out to camp, and we'd love to
Speaker 1: see us say hello along the fence if you do. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing that the thing that you know, Rod Marinelli,
Speaker 1: he went through the bags and he was better. And
Speaker 1: and you know you could tell that Rod Marinelli. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's just cheerleading. I think Rod Marinelli will
Speaker 1: tell you if you're doing good. If Rod Marinelli doesn't
Speaker 1: think you're doing good, he'll get on you. And there
Speaker 1: were a couple of those reps over there in the
Speaker 1: bag area where you know you could hear Rod MERRILLI.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, that's it, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of encouraging. We all talk about Taco.
Speaker 1: It's just a spin move. It's no balance, it's nothing
Speaker 1: to it. He's rushing now with a little bit of
Speaker 1: a purpose. And like Mickey said, and you said yourself, Rop,
Speaker 1: you know, Quinn going out next man up. Whether you
Speaker 1: buy that or not. Guys like Dorn's Armstrong Taco, these
Speaker 1: guys any type. He gets reps against Tyren Smith and
Speaker 1: has a little bit of success, you know, that's got
Speaker 1: to give you some encouragement. That's all I say about.
Speaker 1: You go up against the Travis Fredericks and Zach Martin's,
Speaker 1: even the Lyle Collins to a point, and you have
Speaker 1: a little success against them, you can have big success
Speaker 1: against other people in this league. You know, Dorn's Armstrong,
Speaker 1: I think last Thursday won a one on one rep
Speaker 1: against Tyran Smith. And it's like you've said all along,
Speaker 1: if you win one out of five, Yeah, that's a win.
Speaker 1: That's a win. That's a win, and you can take
Speaker 1: that with you and Dorn's Armstrong, by the way, before
Speaker 1: the injury was getting left left end first team reps yesterday,
Speaker 1: sure was well. He almost got put on the sideline
Speaker 1: by Tyran Smith on the one on one pass rush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying one. He came back. He just wanted no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He came up blimp and he he he hurt his
Speaker 1: ankle and they rewrapped it and he came back in
Speaker 1: and had a good team session, but he almost got buried.
Speaker 1: Taco had really good one on one's pass rush yesterday. Now,
Speaker 1: if he can only go up against Mitch Hyatt and
Speaker 1: Jake Campos all the time, he'd be a pro bowler
Speaker 1: because he destroyed those guys. He still doesn't understand that
Speaker 1: spin move to the inside, that you can't spin before
Speaker 1: you make contact the guy. He spins too early and
Speaker 1: all they do is sit there they catch him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he's got to learn that. But at least
Speaker 1: he was making progress, I thought with those spin moves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the rush that he got Tyrn Smith on wasn't a
Speaker 1: spin move. It was right. Tyren Smith's hand came up high.
Speaker 1: Taco able to dip it, you know. But like you said, Mickey,
Speaker 1: have a plan before you get to where you need
Speaker 1: to be, and he was able to get it. Once
Speaker 1: Smith's hand went high, Taco got that shoulder underneath and
Speaker 1: then was able to to sharpen the angle there. That's
Speaker 1: what he's got to do more. These guys out here
Speaker 1: know that, the smart ones, Tyrn Smith, Lyle Collins, those guys,
Speaker 1: when they know they go against him, he's gonna spin.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like riding a bull if you're a
Speaker 1: bull rider. And not that I'm a bull rider anything,
Speaker 1: but you know this bull is going to buck three
Speaker 1: times and spend to their left. And and that's and
Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, you've seen it enough. You've
Speaker 1: seen it enough that you say, Okay, I'm gonna sit here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here, I'm sitting now. Get it ready
Speaker 1: for that spin, you know, ship my weight. And that's
Speaker 1: what these offensive linemen are doing the Mitch Hides of
Speaker 1: the world and guys like that Jay Campos, they haven't
Speaker 1: seen that, so it's hard for them to kind of
Speaker 1: and you know, the athletic ability is a little bit,
Speaker 1: well not a little bit, a lot less off with
Speaker 1: those two guys. You think the Cowboys have a scouting
Speaker 1: report on the bulls all you know, Yeah, you need
Speaker 1: here's what this bull does. No, yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Running with the bulls, that's something I want to do.
Speaker 1: Actually you do not, Yeah, dude, you know it's always
Speaker 1: somebody from Illinois that gets hurt, and that somebody gets
Speaker 1: hurt Illinois years. Every year. God, here we go, we'll
Speaker 1: get hurt. We're going off the path. But in Pamplona.
Speaker 1: I've checked this. It's a statistic. I swear to you that, Pete.
Speaker 1: There's every year somebody from Illinois gets killed. Right, there's
Speaker 1: something happens to the state of Illinois running with the
Speaker 1: bulls that we speak Speaking of Illinois, I met Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore's dad and he came up and induced me. He
Speaker 1: was introduced himself at practice. There you go. We basically
Speaker 1: coach we but basically grew up a forest preserve away
Speaker 1: from each other when his dad was high school coach. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's still coaching too. By the way, his brother coaches
Speaker 1: at Fresno. Now right, it's in their jeans. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day calling plays yesterday.
Speaker 1: He went after Chris Shard, and those guys showed us
Speaker 1: a couple of little things different, some wrinkles little to
Speaker 1: some rerinkles. So before we get to that, I've got
Speaker 1: a list here of guys that either didn't practice because
Speaker 1: of injury, just didn't practice because they were in Cabo,
Speaker 1: or didn't practice because they had more than one that
Speaker 1: they they had a vet date. Sixteen guys did not
Speaker 1: participate yesterday practice. And by the way, they signed a guard.
Speaker 1: He's listed as a tackle. Okay, can't pronounce his name,
Speaker 1: Lucaius McNeil, Lucaius, I think so. Yeah, it was Lucas,
Speaker 1: but Lucius I haven't heard. Maybe it is Lucas. I'm
Speaker 1: not I think it's just a funny way of spelling Lucas. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, it's McNeil. Yeah. He's a rookie at of Louisville.
Speaker 1: He's six six three twenty eight. He's listed as a tackle,
Speaker 1: but he played guard as well in college. He would
Speaker 1: be both. He was listed as a guard in Oakland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that me, I think that mean that's
Speaker 1: terrible English. I think that what we're going to see
Speaker 1: is Brandon Knight be a full tis already already full time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a guard. Uh. And they're trying to shovel things
Speaker 1: around one of the other rookies, Derek Pooney, he was out.
Speaker 1: It was out as well. So they are they are
Speaker 1: They cannot have that happened. Derek Pooney does not, he can't.
Speaker 1: You if you're a guy trying to make this team,
Speaker 1: you know, and trust me, I appreciate injury. I'm not appreciate.
Speaker 1: I understand injury. I'm having a terrible show today already. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's no different. But the thing is, though, if you're
Speaker 1: one of those guys, you can't be hurt. If you're
Speaker 1: Derrek Pooney, you're fighting for a practice squad spot, you
Speaker 1: know what you're You're trying to show toughness and and
Speaker 1: and be a reliable guy and getting these games and
Speaker 1: and and do some good and maybe be a practice squad.
Speaker 1: A big reason Rico Gathers got released when he did
Speaker 1: because not only you know, was it a numbers game,
Speaker 1: but he was dealing with an ankle, right, he wasn't
Speaker 1: really really ready to go full full go all right,
Speaker 1: go down your list, man Lant. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore is in that same boat. Can't miss right,
Speaker 1: the ship's sailing, and Westreet say, they'll put you on
Speaker 1: that final list. It's like, okay, rehab, get healthy and
Speaker 1: see you up because you can't. Okay, So Amari Lenore Westry,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin Wickman to Marcus Lawrence, Tyrone, Crawford or Brown,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern, Sean Lee, Byron Jones, Zeke, Travis Vett, Day
Speaker 1: and then Pooney and then before it was over, Gifford
Speaker 1: and Quinn. That's a long list that there's some important
Speaker 1: guys in there too. Oh good one seventeen another one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him. I haven't him. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him in so long. I forgot he was here. He
Speaker 1: did a show at six twenty local time, and he forgot.
Speaker 1: He forgot. Good. You haven't seen him though, Yeah, where's
Speaker 1: he been. He's been standing on the sideline, Yeah, next
Speaker 1: to you. That's never a good thing. That's too many.
Speaker 1: And they haven't played a game. They haven't played a
Speaker 1: game yet, so yeah, they got to get through this
Speaker 1: week because I would imagine next week get back. Monday
Speaker 1: will be an easy day. I think I saw a
Speaker 1: walk through on Monday. Try and practice Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: you leave on Thursday. Yeah, they're getting out of the
Speaker 1: last few practices out here. Um, so if you live
Speaker 1: in the ox Nard area, comes come see us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's only a few of these left. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: any other standouts from practice? I got one, I got
Speaker 1: a bunch, but go ahead about that number eighteen, Yes
Speaker 1: about Randall Cop? Anybody else asking questions about him? Where's
Speaker 1: he at? What's he doing? Yeah? Randall Cop played well, yes,
Speaker 1: down the field down guess why he played? How about
Speaker 1: number fourth throwing? The quarterback was driving the ball down?
Speaker 1: I mean driving, yes, yes, very sharp in the team period,
Speaker 1: um and seven on seven seven he lit him up.
Speaker 1: And you and Dave did training camp live? Please check
Speaker 1: that out? Yeah yeah, um Rob Phillips today, by the way,
Speaker 1: on that is it my day today? Yeah? All right? Uh.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard very involved with the first team offense in
Speaker 1: the early seventeen piece. Yes, I mean he's moved up
Speaker 1: the ladder. Every time he turned around, it was draw
Speaker 1: to Pollard for a side game out screen into a
Speaker 1: screen of Pollard in the flat. I mean he was
Speaker 1: highly involved with the first team offense. And Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: by the way, he moved double with some second team, right,
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris. I was gonna say that. The thing about
Speaker 1: Pollard what what's what's good about Pollard is the fact
Speaker 1: that the OC was on board with getting him. So
Speaker 1: if you're one of those guys that's on board with
Speaker 1: like trying to bring a player on, better use him,
Speaker 1: better use him. It better not be it better you
Speaker 1: better not have the owner general manager walking there and
Speaker 1: go Kellen, Uh, we drafted this kid. You're gonna do
Speaker 1: anything with him. He It's to the point where maybe
Speaker 1: the general manager's gonna have to say, hey, listen, we
Speaker 1: need to give this kid a vet day just to
Speaker 1: catch his breath, you know. Yeah doing well, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Webber doing well coming on yeah. And they could not
Speaker 1: cover Witten yesterday. Yeah. The old man, he's found the
Speaker 1: fountain of youth somewhere right at ESPN in Bristol. When
Speaker 1: he was up there, he was bathed in himself and
Speaker 1: the fountain of youth, because if you look at him
Speaker 1: running routes, he doesn't have that mummy look. That's stiff,
Speaker 1: that kind of guy, you know, like Frankenstein walking here.
Speaker 1: His hips are working. Yeah, he is. He's got some
Speaker 1: flexibility to his game. Now, let's see what happens in
Speaker 1: week thirteen, in week fourteen where maybe the body starts.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing what how he looks now as opposed
Speaker 1: to what we saw a year ago, removed when he
Speaker 1: was retiring. That it's almost like he's turned back the
Speaker 1: clock five years. Well, he's moving a lot better. But
Speaker 1: but but but it's it has to do with and
Speaker 1: training camp Live. Yesterday I was telling Robi as I
Speaker 1: was telling David, I go you get him inside eighteen
Speaker 1: yards where it's just a short burst and then some finish.
Speaker 1: Jason Witton is gonna wear you out. He did it.
Speaker 1: He did, Yes, he ran. They got down there inside
Speaker 1: about the nine yard line and he found it. He
Speaker 1: found the perfect spot between a linebacker and a safety.
Speaker 1: It just curled it back inside and Dak knew where
Speaker 1: he was gonna go with the ball. He knew Witt
Speaker 1: was just gonna He's gonna uncover himself right there, easy
Speaker 1: throw touchdown. Yeah, it's like those ten months off just
Speaker 1: kind of got rid of all the nagging stuff that
Speaker 1: had been bother you know, just the yeats and paints
Speaker 1: for over fifteen years of not missing anything. So once
Speaker 1: again we saw where everybody was all hot and bothered
Speaker 1: about how well the defense played in the Blue White Church,
Speaker 1: and then they come back on Tuesday and the offense
Speaker 1: kind of took over again. It's it's exactly's back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what Jason Garrett told us the other day.
Speaker 1: He appreciates the the defense offense, defense offense. I mean
Speaker 1: that that's that's good for his for his team. If
Speaker 1: we're out here every day and it's like, oh my gosh, Micky,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions in that secondary. They can't
Speaker 1: cover anybody, and then we do five six, seven shows
Speaker 1: in a row where that's all we talk about. Then
Speaker 1: that's not good on that, that's not good overall for
Speaker 1: the team. That's one side of your team probably stinks,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's getting constantly beat. I've been on
Speaker 1: those teams where one side of the team stunk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's nowhere both sides. Yeah, do you cover that.
Speaker 1: That was Mickey and Nick Eatman. They remind me every
Speaker 1: day of how bad of a scout I was. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was scouting. I think that salary cap
Speaker 1: had a lot to do. We making. We We botched
Speaker 1: that a lot. But anyway, that's another day. I'll give
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Speaker 1: that's correct. That good stuff set my DVR. Yeah, thank you, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem. Check that out. And thank you to coach
Speaker 1: Switzer for for letting us into his home back in
Speaker 1: February and uh spending some time with us. So that
Speaker 1: was fun. Uh recap in ninety four and ninety five
Speaker 1: back then, could you have had a like a two
Speaker 1: hour show if he just aired the interview No doubt,
Speaker 1: No doubt as fun as as interviewing Bill Parcels was
Speaker 1: last year that you talk about two personalities from the
Speaker 1: head coaching position. I still think we should do It's Hey,
Speaker 1: Mike Bradley wants to know. We were talking about witting
Speaker 1: a little bit. But do you think he it's sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps for him would be good? Is
Speaker 1: that a low number a high number? Something? I wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of get that answer. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a fuel for it at
Speaker 1: this point. I know it's not going to be ninety nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know it's not gonna be less than fifty.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be out there a good bit, right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the way they've been practicing it. But they also
Speaker 1: have been using quite a bit of two tight end
Speaker 1: and Blake Jarwin. I don't think they want to lose
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin like they want to use him. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And and and you know, even in some of those
Speaker 1: Nickels situations when they got to get the ball down
Speaker 1: the field, they've been putting him in there. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be in wrestling to see how they split it.
Speaker 1: I think they realized they can't wear Witten out. I
Speaker 1: think you're right about that great more than anything else.
Speaker 1: You right there, can't wear him out, So you want
Speaker 1: them in there for you know, Brian said, Game thirteen,
Speaker 1: make sure he's still freshen going and now and now
Speaker 1: you're in a position where you have a couple young
Speaker 1: tight ends that have been in the league and played
Speaker 1: that can shoulder some of the load. So in the
Speaker 1: scrimmage they called a double hold on him. I've never
Speaker 1: heard of a double hole. Does that mean you held
Speaker 1: no on Witten? They held him twice the guys or
Speaker 1: two guys held the same guy, I'm not sure. But
Speaker 1: he was giving that official what for. Oh, he was
Speaker 1: fired up. And it was like the first play of
Speaker 1: the team portion of usually scrimmage. Whitnen it could be
Speaker 1: very violent in his discussions with not only teammates but
Speaker 1: buss you, but but also with uh. But he it
Speaker 1: was NFL officials. It's kind of like it's got like
Speaker 1: he had sixteen weeks of pin up watching watching them
Speaker 1: from a booth like dude things. And he said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna give this side judge back, judge whoever,
Speaker 1: A lot of Greek gave it to him, a lot
Speaker 1: of greedy. I could see the fire, Dave. He was
Speaker 1: upset the first plane, but good, Yeah, absolutely they need
Speaker 1: more of that. Uh question again, if I could we
Speaker 1: talked about Brandon Knight a little bit. Is does he
Speaker 1: have a shot here? Does he have a shot to
Speaker 1: beat out of Sue of Philo or somebody like that?
Speaker 1: Could he be the tenth lineman? Could he be the
Speaker 1: ninth lineman? Or we are we are we just we
Speaker 1: kind of touched on at the end of this or
Speaker 1: is that just? Is that just that a necessity a
Speaker 1: move and let's see how it goes. I think he's
Speaker 1: setting himself up for a practice squad spot. I know
Speaker 1: they like him. It's just it could be a numbers
Speaker 1: crunch though to your point, but Sue of Philo like
Speaker 1: our odd Would Sue of Philo be your ninth lineman?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to count who we did. A lot happens whim,
Speaker 1: that happens, what happens with McGovern Because if you count
Speaker 1: McGovern then that's four backups, right, Dior, if you count Sua, Philo,
Speaker 1: Fleming and Looney, and now the tenth spot is they'll
Speaker 1: probably keep a young I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: keep two young guys, right, uh. And I just think
Speaker 1: with Zach Martin's situation, you probably hang on to Sue
Speaker 1: of Philo. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. They
Speaker 1: gotta cover. Yeah, they gotta cover because Sue of Philo
Speaker 1: did make starts and I think Jason Garrett talked about
Speaker 1: that a little bit yesterday, that you know, Sue of
Speaker 1: Philo was important to what they did. He's he's not
Speaker 1: my ideal guy. Oh he's not. But because I've learned
Speaker 1: from Mickey, I've learned this from you. Actually, Mickey, usually
Speaker 1: you have a pretty good eye for these offensive lineman
Speaker 1: because you were on it about Fleming. I don't think
Speaker 1: Fleming has killed him yet, but there are some moments
Speaker 1: where you But I think with Sue of Philo, there's
Speaker 1: those moments where you go, oh, no, you know, he
Speaker 1: gets over extended or he you know, he's got power,
Speaker 1: he's got the stuff you'd like, but he's limited. He's
Speaker 1: really heavy. Yeah, he's really limited the way he Hey,
Speaker 1: speaking offense line, Rob, I'm sory. I know you're running
Speaker 1: this show. How about the two reps that Connor Williams
Speaker 1: had against Lee Collins yesterday in the compete period, a
Speaker 1: chance to see stood him up, did a nice job twice.
Speaker 1: And so there was a time this time last year
Speaker 1: that would not have had because he got over he
Speaker 1: would get overpowered. He would get overpowered. Because how many
Speaker 1: times in camp this camp we've seen Millie Collins just
Speaker 1: use pure power. I think Millie would have three best
Speaker 1: players in this camp. And it's and it's a progression
Speaker 1: just from a couple of days ago where he put
Speaker 1: Connor Williams on his back. Yeah, exactly, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can tell, I mean the bulk is there. He obviously
Speaker 1: weighs more, but that's a good sign that you know
Speaker 1: he hasn't proved his strength. What don't you like to
Speaker 1: keep him? Who Millie Collins, I'd tell Stephen Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: keeps saying, oh, those contract years, those contracts, you know,
Speaker 1: those guys are up on those contracts. So he kind
Speaker 1: of he's the East is he think you can let MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins is going to play out of his mind and
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to pay him if he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: He's got to stay healthy. I keep watching him go
Speaker 1: through those bags and I go to please make it,
Speaker 1: please make it, Please make it, Please make it. Oh
Speaker 1: could he make because that's how he hurt himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bag. He's got to be in the top
Speaker 1: five of performers in practice. Oh, there's no question. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be. Okay. It wouldn't be a show this year
Speaker 1: without contract talk right now, So we've got to touch
Speaker 1: on that when we get back. And I want one
Speaker 1: for MALIEK. Collins. Mickey's got a long list of contract notes.
Speaker 1: He wants to talk about MELIEK Collins as well. We'll
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Speaker 1: at he filled up a legal pad. Look at that
Speaker 1: chicken scratch. Only Boston Legal could fill up a pad
Speaker 1: like that. Is that all contract related? It's Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: interviews yesterday? He did you transcribe them all? I was
Speaker 1: writing it down as he was going, So you were
Speaker 1: you went from station to station with him. No. I
Speaker 1: just listened to it once because I figured the same
Speaker 1: thing was going to happen again. Did he did change it?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I didn't see anything new break
Speaker 1: out that people wanted to quote him and didn't like
Speaker 1: talk to him. You feel like he got his message out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got the message out. You're about to get the
Speaker 1: message out for him here because when they they asked
Speaker 1: him first, they could get to get some sushi, and
Speaker 1: he's going to get this message. The first question, the
Speaker 1: first question was, so what did you think about the
Speaker 1: news that Zeke might set out the entire season if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get a new contract. And Stephen said, news
Speaker 1: to us doesn't change anything. You go and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: battles on, go ahead. Yeah, exactly. And I thought the
Speaker 1: other thing. And see, I had heard this before we
Speaker 1: left for training camp, that the negotiations with all three
Speaker 1: of them really weren't going and nothing was happening. They
Speaker 1: really taught myself much and and and I was told
Speaker 1: that I'd be surprised if anything happened before they started camp,
Speaker 1: and it might not happen til they get back from camp.
Speaker 1: And Steven said, yesterday, I think you could easily get
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard before anything gets done, not until we
Speaker 1: get back home. There you go, so maybe before the season.
Speaker 1: And he also said he would not be terrified if
Speaker 1: Dak had to play out his contract this year, that
Speaker 1: if that's the way it worked out, that's the way
Speaker 1: it worked out. Um. They asked him, uh, is he
Speaker 1: frustrated that they can't get anything done? And he said,
Speaker 1: I think there is frustration on their part. I'm not frustrated.
Speaker 1: So they're holding strong. And he used these two words.
Speaker 1: I thought we were key to this whole thing. He said,
Speaker 1: it's a distribution dilemma that we have to figure out.
Speaker 1: And and that's what he's talking about. And it's not
Speaker 1: just those three guys, but he's looking down the road,
Speaker 1: Like I said, MALIEK. Collins, Jalen Smith, Byron Jones, uh,
Speaker 1: the bunch of guys, Anthony Brown absolutely, Lail Collins, absolutely,
Speaker 1: they would like to try to keep these We're assuming
Speaker 1: they can't. There, they would like to try. And so
Speaker 1: that's why, as he pointed out, he goes, you know what,
Speaker 1: when we're negotiating these contracts, I'm not trying to save
Speaker 1: us money. I'm trying to save money for the team
Speaker 1: so we can have a team and keep some of
Speaker 1: these good young players. Well yeah, and he also said
Speaker 1: I would love this stuff right there. I would love
Speaker 1: to have this problem every year when we have so
Speaker 1: many solid draft picks that we've got to resign them all.
Speaker 1: It's don't feel sorry for him, it's just the situation
Speaker 1: they're in because they have done a nice job drafting.
Speaker 1: Building on that, his quote was, we're dividing the up
Speaker 1: the pie and it's Jerry and I's final call to
Speaker 1: decide who gets what. Is it a tough one? Of
Speaker 1: course it is it's a tough deal, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all want them to have
Speaker 1: contracts they're happy with. That's hard to do. At the
Speaker 1: same time, they've got to understand we've got to keep
Speaker 1: some other players on this football team. Can I ask
Speaker 1: a question to both of you, and from what you've heard,
Speaker 1: if they could get one or two guys to take
Speaker 1: deals of the top guys, maybe a Dak or Zeke
Speaker 1: or a Mari that isn't a top three deal, does
Speaker 1: that kind of set precedence for what they maybe do
Speaker 1: in the future. And I mean it in this way
Speaker 1: that people look at it say, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Amari took less, Dak took less, Zeke took less. Does
Speaker 1: that help them in the future. With other people say well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. You know they could go back to
Speaker 1: the the Malite colleges and the and the Byron Joneses
Speaker 1: and guys like that, and say, wait a minute, our
Speaker 1: top guys are taken less. You can't take less to
Speaker 1: help the team. But but the difference will be those
Speaker 1: guys will become free agents next year. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it will matter. They're not getting franchise, so they'll sit
Speaker 1: there and go, well, let's see what the market bears,
Speaker 1: and they'll Anthony Hitchens, Yeah, Anthony hitch Right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Would have loved to have absolutely, but the market said,
Speaker 1: or a Kansas city says, oh, here, we'll pay him
Speaker 1: this much, and it's his best shot to go get
Speaker 1: a great deal. You got, you got, you gotta do that.
Speaker 1: I can remember. I could remember when when Chris Bonio
Speaker 1: became it was going to be a free became a
Speaker 1: free agent, and he wanted to stay with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and Steve Hoffman basically told him, if you're a kicker, yeah,
Speaker 1: and if they're gonna sign you to that big of
Speaker 1: a signing bonus, you owe it to your family to
Speaker 1: do it, you know. And he did and it was
Speaker 1: miserable because you're kicking in Philadelphia for two months in
Speaker 1: bad weather. Yeah, and you know he I don't think
Speaker 1: he liked it. And he only lasted a couple I
Speaker 1: don't think he made I was with him for three years.
Speaker 1: I was with him a year. Guys have to do that.
Speaker 1: But if you have the money available, you can take
Speaker 1: a preemptive strike, maybe before free agency starts, and get
Speaker 1: a deal done in February. Now, they would probably tell
Speaker 1: you you're gonna have to pay me for the right
Speaker 1: to keep me out of free agency, like I need
Speaker 1: to go check. But if they have good seasons, then
Speaker 1: it's tougher. But with these guys, you know, the franchise
Speaker 1: tags always looming, right, Yes, any of the three. And
Speaker 1: next year you get a transition tag too because it's
Speaker 1: the last year of the CBA, so you can actually
Speaker 1: sort of protect two guys and not just one, so
Speaker 1: you know, and Stephen continues to say we've made generous
Speaker 1: offers to both guys, and Seek specifically said the offer
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into specifics, but a very
Speaker 1: generous offer. And I think I wish people would just
Speaker 1: do research and find out what these deals are really worth, right,
Speaker 1: not what the agent puts out there, like Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: five years one hundred million. Well it's not one hundred million.
Speaker 1: It's ninety six to start with. And if you look
Speaker 1: where the guarantees run out, it's either three for forty
Speaker 1: five or four for sixty one, which is fifteen million
Speaker 1: a year. So if you went to Maury Cooper today
Speaker 1: and said, Okay, I'll give you fifteen million a year,
Speaker 1: would you do it? Yeah? You know if he would
Speaker 1: sign that. They keep saying, well, okay, you gotta go
Speaker 1: off of Michael Thomas's contract. That's what it was. The
Speaker 1: inside Michael Thomas's contract, Look inside Carson Wentz's contract. That
Speaker 1: really when when you're looking at the guarantees and see
Speaker 1: when these guys get extensions, that base salary that first
Speaker 1: year still counts. So his year his contract averages out
Speaker 1: to four years, twenty six million. It's not thirty two million.
Speaker 1: The big numbers thirty two million, But there's all this
Speaker 1: money stuff off to the last two years of base
Speaker 1: salary that's not guaranteed. And the same thing with Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley and the same thing with Leveon Bell. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to I don't want to hear this market stuff.
Speaker 1: Almost said the wrong thing, but serious, seriously, Fish, it's
Speaker 1: the market is what your team can afford, not what
Speaker 1: somebody else got paid. And you got to get more
Speaker 1: than they get, can I I ask you a question
Speaker 1: off pariscope. I think this is pretty good. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you guys on the spot, but in a good way.
Speaker 1: I think you will see which Collins would you resign?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, if you can only resign one is that fair.
Speaker 1: Mickey's at a fair question, Malik or I think this
Speaker 1: season will answer that question. Yeah, because are they both
Speaker 1: gonna play at a high level? That's you hope. I
Speaker 1: like what I'm seeing from Lale Collins. I do too.
Speaker 1: He looks like a better player right now at right tackle. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, I'll jump, I'll jump in the water. And
Speaker 1: here's and here's another consideration. They don't have anybody ready
Speaker 1: to step in and take a spot. Yeah, right, here's
Speaker 1: my I feel better about the tackles than I do
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. Well, here's my question you have and
Speaker 1: you have Tristan Hills sitting in the wings. Yeah, unless
Speaker 1: you're gonna move, unless you tell me you're gonna move.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about Connor McGovern only. But
Speaker 1: when I've seen at Penn State, I was gonna say Looney,
Speaker 1: he's a free agent too. By the way, you've drafted
Speaker 1: young players behind both spots. Yeah, but you're not. You
Speaker 1: don't know about either guy yet. Can they afford Lyle Collins? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's I have a you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see what Mallie Collins could get next year on
Speaker 1: the open market. But what right, what offensive tackles of
Speaker 1: Lyle's caliber can pick at some point? How many? How
Speaker 1: many resources can you devote to that offensive line. I
Speaker 1: mean it's a question to answer a year from now. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think they're looking at it right now, thank you.
Speaker 1: I think if he has a good season and he
Speaker 1: says I want to test the market, then they're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to resign him. That's my feeling too.
Speaker 1: I mean, but if they get it done before that,
Speaker 1: then maybe they can. It's a matter of does his
Speaker 1: agent what does his agent? He's got an agent has
Speaker 1: to do some good homework. I am thinking Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: is a third round pick in twenty twenty one from
Speaker 1: a compensatory standpoint, right, well, and Connor Williams is your
Speaker 1: right tackle next year? Yeah? If maybe I think I
Speaker 1: can protect myself better places. I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: think I protect myself a defensive tackle. But if I
Speaker 1: can move Connor Williams to right tackle, and say, if
Speaker 1: I knew McGovern could fill in and be the left guard,
Speaker 1: if I knew that, I might lean towards signing Malie Collins.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's just kind of that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel. But that depend on Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill exactly on Triston Is that a periscope question? And
Speaker 1: then and then also what I liked it? What are
Speaker 1: you doing with Tyrone Crawford because he's still got a
Speaker 1: couple of years left. Yeah, I think you're right, he's
Speaker 1: got more than one. Yeah. See, to me, that's kind
Speaker 1: of one of those we're looking at if those guys play.
Speaker 1: But he's been so good for you Yeah, I mean everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean I know when he first signed that contract,
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh my gosh, they they overpaid. He's doing
Speaker 1: things in the box score you don't see. He's a
Speaker 1: Swiss army night see. And the other and the other
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't come up is what happens with Robert Quinn? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Robert Quinn is he a one and done?
Speaker 1: What happens to rydal Cop Yeah? Mm see that's what
Speaker 1: I think. Tell any man, this teams could look a
Speaker 1: lot different next year. No, yeah, you resign your top.
Speaker 1: That's what Stephen Jones is talking about. You got to
Speaker 1: be able to keep Some of those guys are all
Speaker 1: betting on themselves. Oh, no, question, we have a good year.
Speaker 1: And question no, question. Got a lot of one year deals, ye, nicky.
Speaker 1: Mike Bradley says, American needs to listen to you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's all we need is tell on myencouragement.
Speaker 1: Tell him I'm trying because you're Italian. Tell him I'm
Speaker 1: trying to save the world. Okay, are you trying to time?
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Speaker 1: didn't know your mission was that broad. It is, Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody everybody said they would take MALIEK. Collins easy. Everybody's
Speaker 1: lining up for MALIEK. Collins out there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question, life Blood. Mickey's right, though.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right. This is gonna come down to how well
Speaker 1: and can you get a deal done with with say
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins before. But you're right about the resources in
Speaker 1: the offensive line. But you also drafted that kid to play.
Speaker 1: I think that mcgovernment not to play this year, but
Speaker 1: to play next and just because he's not practicing right
Speaker 1: now that that doesn't affect his long touch liability. But
Speaker 1: that wasn't a premeditated decision that happened on the clock,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they were thinking, okay, let's get
Speaker 1: us a guard that can go in and start so
Speaker 1: we can move Connor McGovern. They just qualified it when
Speaker 1: the guy was still on the board. It was the
Speaker 1: blinking yeah, folks. Folks are reminded us a little bit here.
Speaker 1: If they couldn't afford Ron Leary, they won't afford Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: Is that fair? Ron Leary was older, wasn't he. I
Speaker 1: think Ron Larry, I think they got the similar, very similar,
Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, I mean that was his first free agent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was that was back then, so you can't compare. Well,
Speaker 1: I know you're right four years ago because you don't
Speaker 1: know Valerie Capital here. It comes to loud color Collins
Speaker 1: up love here. They got it. Yeah, they're they're there.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Thank you very much for Periscope
Speaker 1: for that. Appreciate that, really, dude, love pariscope putting us
Speaker 1: on the spot like that. All right, let's take our
Speaker 1: final break. When we come back. I got some questions
Speaker 1: for you to get on the spot. Yeah, let's still
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Speaker 1: all right, some guys that you know about, some guys
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know about as well. Give me, like
Speaker 1: an overall view of Dak Prescott's camp right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: yesterday it was a really good day. How do you
Speaker 1: feel he's been overall in camps? I think he's thrown
Speaker 1: the ball awfully well. Uh, And I like some of
Speaker 1: the decisions he's making when he's got nothing, and he's
Speaker 1: starting to throw the ball in the ground on purpose. Now,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him pull a Troy yet, when somebody
Speaker 1: screws up and Troy just throws the ball in discussed
Speaker 1: into the ground. He hasn't moved to that part yet.
Speaker 1: But I've seen him throw the ball away. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of those interceptions the other day, he basically was
Speaker 1: sacked twice. He was just flung it down the deal
Speaker 1: and it got intercepted. It's like, oh, he threw an interception. Okay,
Speaker 1: watched the play. Don't watch the end of the play.
Speaker 1: Watched the whole play. I think he's been awfully good,
Speaker 1: and I think he's doing a much better job with
Speaker 1: his footwork. He's setting himself to throw instead of throwing
Speaker 1: off one foot or off balance. He's done a better
Speaker 1: job of that. He's been challenged, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like the fact he's been challenged. His defense has
Speaker 1: given him some things that's been made it difficult for him,
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think, like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: you know, it's he's had to get rid of the football.
Speaker 1: He's had to make decisions. He's had to move around,
Speaker 1: he's had to fight for things. It hasn't been easy
Speaker 1: for him. He's had some days where he's really been
Speaker 1: on point throw the football. A lot of that has
Speaker 1: to do with Cobb getting open, uh you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Gallup getting open, Davis getting open, guys getting open for him.
Speaker 1: Those guys have got to win on the outside to
Speaker 1: help him, the tight ends getting open. When he's had
Speaker 1: guys that had the ability to get the football to him,
Speaker 1: he's done a really good job at I think I
Speaker 1: could say the best thing I love about this camp
Speaker 1: so far Ada Prescott is he's been challenged, and I
Speaker 1: think when it comes to the time to play these
Speaker 1: games for real, I think he's going to appreciate how
Speaker 1: hard it was for him at training camp to make
Speaker 1: play after play after play, tight window throws all day long,
Speaker 1: some good, some bad. But I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day it's going to be beneficial for him.
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing is you don't see him
Speaker 1: when a play breaks down, take off and start running.
Speaker 1: He's trying mobile, trying to figure things out, things out.
Speaker 1: Can I go somewhere with the ball or maybe I
Speaker 1: just throw it away? And compare that to what you
Speaker 1: saw yesterday with Mike White. Yes, he's still hesitant to
Speaker 1: cut it loose and he ends up running with the ball.
Speaker 1: He seems like more than he froze it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's either I don't know if those times his protection
Speaker 1: they're not getting open, or but he takes off and
Speaker 1: it's like there's a new game we play on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: It's when Mike white first pass is always a checkdown
Speaker 1: that first It's like, you can you can win money
Speaker 1: on that. By the way his first passes, but that
Speaker 1: maybe that gets him going, you know, but he needs
Speaker 1: to let it fly more. We've talked about that in camp,
Speaker 1: but Dak overall, Mike Mickey said a lot of good
Speaker 1: things there being challenged. That's even a better thing next
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh seeing things different, you know, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what I think Layton vander Esh is learning.
Speaker 1: I think Layton vander Esch having to play against Jason
Speaker 1: Witten is a good thing for him because he's playing
Speaker 1: some things in coverage. He can make every single tackle.
Speaker 1: If they were bringing him to the ground, he would
Speaker 1: see Layton Vanderesh have sixteen tackles every day. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think where he's learning is the coverage aspect
Speaker 1: of his game. You know, he's always been a physical player,
Speaker 1: a lateral player, you know, a guy that gets after you,
Speaker 1: but having to deal with a guy like Jason Witton
Speaker 1: as a blocker on him a little bit at times,
Speaker 1: or a guy that gets to him, you know, or
Speaker 1: Connor Waves those guys getting up on him, playing with
Speaker 1: your hands. But I got I go back to those
Speaker 1: coverage things, like when they get down the red zone,
Speaker 1: he has to carry Witten a little bit, or he
Speaker 1: gets in the he gets in the individual drills over
Speaker 1: here where they're playing against the tight ends and the backs.
Speaker 1: He's having to do that. I think that that aspect
Speaker 1: is starting to because he has some really good coverage
Speaker 1: and then he has somewhere. Ah, the old man got
Speaker 1: him today. Old man figured out how to separate He's
Speaker 1: you know, Nope, not many people can lean on Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and separate Jason Witten can because I saw it
Speaker 1: the other day. I saw it yesterday. It's like it
Speaker 1: happened down in the red zone and and Vanderesh walked
Speaker 1: up to Witton after words. I mean, he didn't play
Speaker 1: with him, he didn't play with him last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't really know Jason Witten. He knows the
Speaker 1: stories of Jason Witten, but he doesn't know Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: So he walked up to Jason Witton and they walked
Speaker 1: together back in towards the huddle, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like Vanderesh was picking his brains asking question he
Speaker 1: was at. He was like, He's like, you just bullied me,
Speaker 1: But how did you bully me? And Witton was trying
Speaker 1: to tell him like, well, maybe, he said, you gave
Speaker 1: me outside lever, you gave me an outside. Look. I
Speaker 1: knew I could lean on you and I could get
Speaker 1: back inside if you play me more balanced, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I'm learning about Layton Vanderesh
Speaker 1: the player. I wrote that note down because I saw
Speaker 1: it when it happened. Yeah, and Witton was more than glad.
Speaker 1: They just walked. They walked, two really tall men that
Speaker 1: are good, great football walked together and talking about how
Speaker 1: they got better, how to get better. The other thing.
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing I've noticed about him
Speaker 1: His confidence has soared. So he's talking more, he's telling
Speaker 1: people where to move. It's almost like he's little Sean
Speaker 1: lee out there. It's a matter of fact. One time
Speaker 1: I saw him telling Jalen Hey over there, over there,
Speaker 1: and so I don't think he would as a rookie
Speaker 1: was doing that. He seems like he has more command
Speaker 1: of what's going on on the field. One thing Ben
Speaker 1: Bloom linebackers coach told us, it's it's little things for him.
Speaker 1: It's diagnosing things pre snap reads because at the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: one step can make a huge difference in terms it's
Speaker 1: whether you get there or not. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that in terms and also you know, building his
Speaker 1: upper body strength in terms like you were talking about
Speaker 1: getting off blocks, guys trying to get to the second
Speaker 1: level on him. That's important as well. Um Jamais Alawali
Speaker 1: fullback being used a lot more. Yes, and yesterday was
Speaker 1: the first day I noticed we had two backs in
Speaker 1: the backfield, two backs being one being Pollard, yes, one
Speaker 1: being Alfred Morris. So now we're starting to see, okay,
Speaker 1: little creative wrinkle here, but we have seen the fullback
Speaker 1: play in this offense off set, and I mean offset.
Speaker 1: When you play I back, you're straight. When you're offset,
Speaker 1: you played on one side or the other. So they're
Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of older Wally as being a
Speaker 1: guy that can maybe be a point of attack player.
Speaker 1: IM one of my favorite players that we've ever had
Speaker 1: here was like, was Keith Davis because I liked I
Speaker 1: liked him Smith, Keith Smith. I'm sorry, So Keith Davis
Speaker 1: did back in the day? Yeah, way back in there,
Speaker 1: Keith Smith, And I loved him because even though he
Speaker 1: was maybe not right all the time, he did it
Speaker 1: at such a violent pace and a violence in there
Speaker 1: blocking that it was like, it was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: get that he's making a mistake, but he's with olda Wally.
Speaker 1: I see a more of a controlled guy. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing, but I mean,
Speaker 1: he's capable of catching the ball. We've seen that, capable
Speaker 1: of making plays on the outside. I just wish my
Speaker 1: full back was that glass eater. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's a glass eater. He's not Broncho Nagurski. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a politeful back. He is a very politeful Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: very good. There you go. That's a back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's a number thirty nine that we didn't think about yesterday.
Speaker 1: On our Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well we just went right
Speaker 1: to Brandon car right, ran a branded car, right. But no,
Speaker 1: I think that that's where To me, I like. I
Speaker 1: like the fact that they're thinking about him as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher, even though that Indianapolis game would not have
Speaker 1: told you that. But he can catch the football. He's
Speaker 1: a really good special teams player. He's he's always going
Speaker 1: to be downfielding coverage and be positive that way. So
Speaker 1: I think they're going to continue to have a plan
Speaker 1: for him, even some one back. Yeah. They using him
Speaker 1: as a one back in Nickels situations too, because he blocks,
Speaker 1: he could pick up. He's a bigger guy. He's done
Speaker 1: some good. If you watch him play with the Raiders,
Speaker 1: that's something he was actually pretty good at. Yeah, stepping
Speaker 1: up and picking up guys on the blitz. Okay, one
Speaker 1: more cheetoh thoughts on his camp so far. We got
Speaker 1: no problems with what he's doing. No, to me, he's
Speaker 1: shutting down that side of the field. Physical. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to me that you talk about a guy that
Speaker 1: goes knows how to go about his business the right way,
Speaker 1: not real flashy. The way he plays, he's steady, he's tough,
Speaker 1: he understands how important it is to play really good technique.
Speaker 1: You see him when he drops and drives and turns.
Speaker 1: Everything about him is with a purpose, not much wasted motion.
Speaker 1: With the way he's playing, they've challenged him down the field.
Speaker 1: He's been able to carry routes inside, adjust get his
Speaker 1: hands on balls. You know that's something. Give me those
Speaker 1: those corners that can challenge inside, play the vertical routes,
Speaker 1: and then when the ballstroone short rally to knock the
Speaker 1: guy out of bounce or make the tackle. I think
Speaker 1: a Woozier has done all those things and more. All right,
Speaker 1: a bonus one, And I thought you were gonna ask
Speaker 1: about the kicker. Let's go with that, Bret Maher, this
Speaker 1: is turning into a very bad trend. And this is scary.
Speaker 1: If you're the Dallas Cowboys. The fact that you've had
Speaker 1: two drives, two minute drives that it made reasonably may
Speaker 1: put you in reasonable ape to make field goals to
Speaker 1: win games. I know it's very windy out here the
Speaker 1: afternoon practice. If you're out here, you'll understand the goal
Speaker 1: posts move, the ribbons move, the tops of the trees
Speaker 1: above the goal post. You would swear you're playing golf
Speaker 1: in Ireland is as much as the wind moves and
Speaker 1: all this out here. But his job is to make
Speaker 1: thirty two yard field goals. His jobs to make thirty
Speaker 1: five yard field goals. His jobs to make a forty
Speaker 1: seven yard field goal. And especially if the drill needs
Speaker 1: to be finished, if the situation is for the win,
Speaker 1: you're not making the field goal. That doesn't bode well
Speaker 1: for not only the minds of the coaching staff, but
Speaker 1: also your teammates around him. Can you trust him? I
Speaker 1: think there's some doubt about that right now. And it's
Speaker 1: deflating two minute drill and it's happened twice now, and
Speaker 1: the kicks have only been like forty two yards exactly,
Speaker 1: maybe reasonable, very reasonable kicks, and you're driving and you
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, we did our job right, go ahead
Speaker 1: and finish it. And then he misses and it's like
Speaker 1: it was a thirty two yard or in the blue
Speaker 1: white scrimmage that snap right, good snap yesterday was forty
Speaker 1: two And then when he did you know, he had
Speaker 1: a nice day Saturday, six of six, right, uh, And
Speaker 1: then the first one yesterday was thirty three yards and
Speaker 1: it was the ugliest kick I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was like a line drive helicopter. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like you can't have that. Those can extra point those
Speaker 1: kicks from fifty plus last year you felt really good about.
Speaker 1: It's those money kicks from forty to forty nine and
Speaker 1: the short ones. He won the Atlanta game, he won
Speaker 1: the Detroit game. If you remember that he lost. They missed.
Speaker 1: They had the critical miss against the Redskins in Washington.
Speaker 1: You know, there's that's the problem with you can't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're Dak Prescott and you drive and
Speaker 1: drive and drive and drive, and you have four seconds
Speaker 1: left and you're feeling like, oh my gosh, we did this.
Speaker 1: I got it. He didn't make that one against Washington.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he did snap in fraction right, all right,
Speaker 1: they see those guys don't need to invent oh oh right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's like the zeke when he lowered
Speaker 1: his head, right, the other guy lowered his head. It
Speaker 1: was like two battering. Why they should have been a
Speaker 1: double file if you're gonna call it on one guy,
Speaker 1: but that then the guy wouldn't let me have my way.
Speaker 1: When I asked the question, he got out of it
Speaker 1: by saying, oh, I didn't see the film of it.
Speaker 1: It's your video. You should know what's on the part
Speaker 1: of Mickey. Put that on your Save the World ducket.
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold the referees accountable, all right, Why
Speaker 1: I got my white hat? All right? Thank you Mickey,
Speaker 1: Thank you Brian, thanks everybody for listening. Producing Caden and
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