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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This this He's Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, California.

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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brownis, Rob Phillips, and Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys from Oxnard, California. Good

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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday to everybody. Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brondess, I am

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Speaker 1: Robbed Phillips, Caden Gates and William Boykins producing just over

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Speaker 1: yonder at the tent. The sand Blasters back this morning.

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Speaker 1: Mickey's feisty. We're ready to roll here. It's chill. It's

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Speaker 1: chilly this morning. Yeah it is. I must have to

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Speaker 1: wear my sweatpants. Got your Harbor jacket on you. It

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Speaker 1: feels like bar harbor or all of a sudden, nice

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Speaker 1: place there, that bar harbor? Yea is it is? What

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Speaker 1: about that practice yesterday? What about let's start right there,

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Speaker 1: we start right there. We got to talk football. I'll

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Speaker 1: talk some football. We'll talk a lot of football. We

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Speaker 1: get talk my mom asked, my mom asked, we talk

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Speaker 1: football today. I got my mom watches this show every day.

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Speaker 1: I got a whole page to get contract stuff right

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Speaker 1: here go, Oh you got contracts. We can get to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rob will get to it now, he'll get to it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This brought us, always keeps us in line. She's not

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Speaker 1: And by the way, fans on periscope, yes, we love

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Speaker 1: questions we did Ryan, Yeah, and absolutely, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to those two during the show. But yeah, we've got

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Speaker 1: Zeke update, dak Amari updates. We can get to that

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Speaker 1: a little bit later. We've got what a hand? We

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Speaker 1: got some finger Yeah, we've got a practice update. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've got some I got some questions for you guys

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Speaker 1: on some I love some progress reports. I love these guys.

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Speaker 1: We had a big show today. But why don't we

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Speaker 1: start with the injury. Yes, Robert Quinn break it down

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Speaker 1: for us. Doctor Spagnola got a broken bone in his hand.

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Speaker 1: Had to go back home to have it surgically repaired,

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Speaker 1: which means they're putting a pin in one of these

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Speaker 1: little small bones in your hand. I think I read

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Speaker 1: where they compared it to DeMarco Murray's broken hand. So

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Speaker 1: that means probably one of these bones right here right,

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Speaker 1: and that he should be able to get back in

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Speaker 1: play so by the season opener. And I would imagine

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Speaker 1: if I remember with Murray, he kind of padded, patted

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Speaker 1: it up, the Mickey mouse hand wrapped it up, and

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Speaker 1: he had to carry the football. Robert Quinn doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to carry the football. So uh, it might have hurt

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Speaker 1: him from grabbing the offensive tackle, but uh, looks like

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Speaker 1: he should be back. And then we'll see where the

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Speaker 1: Luke Gifford's broken finger goes. I was right there when

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Speaker 1: he was walking off with one of the athletic trainers.

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Speaker 1: That didn't that didn't that looked painful. Yeah, I'll say that. Yeah, Uh,

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Speaker 1: dislocated finger. They're checking to see if there's more in there, right,

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Speaker 1: something in addition to put a splint on it, wrap

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. Nineteen sixty four, let's go. Let's go

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker, Chicago Heights. You know, going back, Bucca, let

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Speaker 1: a finger keep him out going back on The Quinn

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Speaker 1: injury happened when he was trying to swat Tyron Smith

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Speaker 1: and he caught Tyron Smith's brace. You know, Tyren Smith

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Speaker 1: wears the big big like he's got a knee brace.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Tyren Smith, he wears it basically

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Speaker 1: a knee brace on his elbow. That's how big of

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Speaker 1: a you know, his arm is to have to take

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Speaker 1: the brace and it fits like an elbow brace. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: Quinn tried to slap him with the left hand, got

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Speaker 1: the left hand extended, it went into Smith's brace. Smith

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Speaker 1: could see the impact of the brace on the bone

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Speaker 1: as it happened, Quinn knew he just stopped. He just

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Speaker 1: just hanging like that, but a lot of heads. He

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Speaker 1: was trying to get inside leverage on Tyren Smith on

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Speaker 1: the rush, left hand extended, and Smith's brace just caught

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Speaker 1: him right on that and that's what probably it broke

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Speaker 1: the bone, and there was some suspense out here. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously he's an important going to be an important player

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Speaker 1: for this team, and head athletic trainer Jim Mauer spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time after practice with the Jones family

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Speaker 1: updating them, and you're kind of wondering for a second,

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Speaker 1: going on with him. It's it's a significant injury because

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Speaker 1: it's the caliber of player it is. Obviously it's good

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Speaker 1: that they expect him back for week one. But man,

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Speaker 1: those guys for week one. Uh, if it's gonna happen, happen. Now,

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Speaker 1: where's the Taco drop? Uh? Huh? Saw Taco rush yesterday

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Speaker 1: I mean it was would have been a sack fumble.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that the way that Taco did,

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Speaker 1: he showed balance and when Taco, when Taco shows balance,

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Speaker 1: he has a chance. I was down in the corner

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Speaker 1: of the bag drills where they go through. I have

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Speaker 1: you ever come out to camp, and we'd love to

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Speaker 1: The thing that the thing that you know, Rod Marinelli,

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Speaker 1: and you know you could tell that Rod Marinelli. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's just cheerleading. I think Rod Marinelli will

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Speaker 1: tell you if you're doing good. If Rod Marinelli doesn't

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Speaker 1: were a couple of those reps over there in the

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Speaker 1: bag area where you know you could hear Rod MERRILLI.

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Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, that's it, you know, and he's

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Speaker 1: he's he's kind of encouraging. We all talk about Taco.

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Speaker 1: It's just a spin move. It's no balance, it's nothing

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Speaker 1: a purpose. And like Mickey said, and you said yourself, Rop,

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Speaker 1: you know, Quinn going out next man up. Whether you

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Speaker 1: buy that or not. Guys like Dorn's Armstrong Taco, these

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Speaker 1: has a little bit of success, you know, that's got

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Speaker 1: to give you some encouragement. That's all I say about.

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Speaker 1: You go up against the Travis Fredericks and Zach Martin's,

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Speaker 1: against other people in this league. You know, Dorn's Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: I think last Thursday won a one on one rep

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Speaker 1: if you win one out of five, Yeah, that's a win.

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Speaker 1: That's a win. That's a win, and you can take

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Speaker 1: that with you and Dorn's Armstrong, by the way, before

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Speaker 1: the injury was getting left left end first team reps yesterday,

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Speaker 1: sure was well. He almost got put on the sideline

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Speaker 1: I'm saying one. He came back. He just wanted no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: He came up blimp and he he he hurt his

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Speaker 1: and had a good team session, but he almost got buried.

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Speaker 1: Taco had really good one on one's pass rush yesterday. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he can only go up against Mitch Hyatt and

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Speaker 1: Jake Campos all the time, he'd be a pro bowler

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Speaker 1: because he destroyed those guys. He still doesn't understand that

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Speaker 1: spin move to the inside, that you can't spin before

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Speaker 1: you make contact the guy. He spins too early and

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Speaker 1: all they do is sit there they catch him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so he's got to learn that. But at least

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Speaker 1: he was making progress, I thought with those spin moves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the rush that he got Tyrn Smith on wasn't a

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Speaker 1: spin move. It was right. Tyren Smith's hand came up high.

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Speaker 1: Taco able to dip it, you know. But like you said, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: have a plan before you get to where you need

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Speaker 1: to be, and he was able to get it. Once

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Speaker 1: Smith's hand went high, Taco got that shoulder underneath and

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Speaker 1: then was able to to sharpen the angle there. That's

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Speaker 1: what he's got to do more. These guys out here

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Speaker 1: know that, the smart ones, Tyrn Smith, Lyle Collins, those guys,

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Speaker 1: when they know they go against him, he's gonna spin.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like riding a bull if you're a

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Speaker 1: but you know this bull is going to buck three

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Speaker 1: times and spend to their left. And and that's and

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Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, you've seen it enough. You've

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Speaker 1: seen it enough that you say, Okay, I'm gonna sit here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here, I'm sitting now. Get it ready

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Speaker 1: for that spin, you know, ship my weight. And that's

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Speaker 1: what these offensive linemen are doing the Mitch Hides of

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Speaker 1: the world and guys like that Jay Campos, they haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that, so it's hard for them to kind of

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Speaker 1: and you know, the athletic ability is a little bit,

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Speaker 1: well not a little bit, a lot less off with

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Speaker 1: those two guys. You think the Cowboys have a scouting

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Speaker 1: report on the bulls all you know, Yeah, you need

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Speaker 1: here's what this bull does. No, yeah, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Running with the bulls, that's something I want to do.

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Speaker 1: Actually you do not, Yeah, dude, you know it's always

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Speaker 1: somebody from Illinois that gets hurt, and that somebody gets

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Speaker 1: hurt Illinois years. Every year. God, here we go, we'll

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Speaker 1: get hurt. We're going off the path. But in Pamplona.

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Speaker 1: I've checked this. It's a statistic. I swear to you that, Pete.

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Speaker 1: There's every year somebody from Illinois gets killed. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: something happens to the state of Illinois running with the

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Speaker 1: bulls that we speak Speaking of Illinois, I met Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore's dad and he came up and induced me. He

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Speaker 1: was introduced himself at practice. There you go. We basically

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Speaker 1: he's still coaching too. By the way, his brother coaches

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Speaker 1: at Fresno. Now right, it's in their jeans. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day calling plays yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He went after Chris Shard, and those guys showed us

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Speaker 1: a couple of little things different, some wrinkles little to

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Speaker 1: some rerinkles. So before we get to that, I've got

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Speaker 1: a list here of guys that either didn't practice because

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Speaker 1: they they had a vet date. Sixteen guys did not

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Speaker 1: participate yesterday practice. And by the way, they signed a guard.

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Speaker 1: He's listed as a tackle. Okay, can't pronounce his name,

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Speaker 1: Lucaius McNeil, Lucaius, I think so. Yeah, it was Lucas,

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Speaker 1: but Lucius I haven't heard. Maybe it is Lucas. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I think it's just a funny way of spelling Lucas. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's McNeil. Yeah. He's a rookie at of Louisville.

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Speaker 1: be both. He was listed as a guard in Oakland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: terrible English. I think that what we're going to see

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Speaker 1: is Brandon Knight be a full tis already already full time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They cannot have that happened. Derek Pooney does not, he can't.

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Speaker 1: speaking offense line, Rob, I'm sory. I know you're running

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Speaker 1: this show. How about the two reps that Connor Williams

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Speaker 1: chance to see stood him up, did a nice job twice.

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Speaker 1: And so there was a time this time last year

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Speaker 1: that would not have had because he got over he

426
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Speaker 1: would get overpowered. He would get overpowered. Because how many

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Speaker 1: times in camp this camp we've seen Millie Collins just

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Speaker 1: use pure power. I think Millie would have three best

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Speaker 1: players in this camp. And it's and it's a progression

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Speaker 1: just from a couple of days ago where he put

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Speaker 1: Connor Williams on his back. Yeah, exactly, yeah, and you

432
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Speaker 1: can tell, I mean the bulk is there. He obviously

433
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Speaker 1: weighs more, but that's a good sign that you know

434
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Speaker 1: he hasn't proved his strength. What don't you like to

435
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Speaker 1: keep him? Who Millie Collins, I'd tell Stephen Stephen Jones

436
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Speaker 1: keeps saying, oh, those contract years, those contracts, you know,

437
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Speaker 1: those guys are up on those contracts. So he kind

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Speaker 1: of he's the East is he think you can let MALIEK.

439
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: Collins is going to play out of his mind and

440
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to pay him if he stays healthy.

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Speaker 1: He's got to stay healthy. I keep watching him go

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Speaker 1: through those bags and I go to please make it,

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Speaker 1: please make it, Please make it, Please make it. Oh

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Speaker 1: could he make because that's how he hurt himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a bag. He's got to be in the top

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Speaker 1: five of performers in practice. Oh, there's no question. It's

447
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: gotta be. Okay. It wouldn't be a show this year

448
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Speaker 1: without contract talk right now, So we've got to touch

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Speaker 1: on that when we get back. And I want one

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Speaker 1: for MALIEK. Collins. Mickey's got a long list of contract notes.

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Speaker 1: coming up right after this and Mickey, my goodness, look

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Speaker 1: at he filled up a legal pad. Look at that

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Speaker 1: chicken scratch. Only Boston Legal could fill up a pad

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Speaker 1: like that. Is that all contract related? It's Stephen Jones

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Speaker 1: interviews yesterday? He did you transcribe them all? I was

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Speaker 1: writing it down as he was going, So you were

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Speaker 1: thing was going to happen again. Did he did change it?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I didn't see anything new break

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Speaker 1: out that people wanted to quote him and didn't like

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Speaker 1: talk to him. You feel like he got his message out. Yeah,

516
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: he got the message out. You're about to get the

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00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: message out for him here because when they they asked

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Speaker 1: him first, they could get to get some sushi, and

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00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: he's going to get this message. The first question, the

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00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: first question was, so what did you think about the

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00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: news that Zeke might set out the entire season if

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00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't get a new contract. And Stephen said, news

523
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: to us doesn't change anything. You go and it's like, okay,

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00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: battles on, go ahead. Yeah, exactly. And I thought the

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Speaker 1: other thing. And see, I had heard this before we

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Speaker 1: left for training camp, that the negotiations with all three

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: of them really weren't going and nothing was happening. They

528
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: really taught myself much and and and I was told

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Speaker 1: that I'd be surprised if anything happened before they started camp,

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Speaker 1: and it might not happen til they get back from camp.

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Speaker 1: And Steven said, yesterday, I think you could easily get

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Speaker 1: out of Oxnard before anything gets done, not until we

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Speaker 1: get back home. There you go, so maybe before the season.

534
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Speaker 1: And he also said he would not be terrified if

535
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Speaker 1: Dak had to play out his contract this year, that

536
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: if that's the way it worked out, that's the way

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00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: it worked out. Um. They asked him, uh, is he

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00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: frustrated that they can't get anything done? And he said,

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Speaker 1: I think there is frustration on their part. I'm not frustrated.

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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: So they're holding strong. And he used these two words.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were key to this whole thing. He said,

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Speaker 1: it's a distribution dilemma that we have to figure out.

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00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: And and that's what he's talking about. And it's not

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Speaker 1: just those three guys, but he's looking down the road,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, MALIEK. Collins, Jalen Smith, Byron Jones, uh,

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Speaker 1: the bunch of guys, Anthony Brown absolutely, Lail Collins, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: they would like to try to keep these We're assuming

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00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: they can't. There, they would like to try. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why, as he pointed out, he goes, you know what,

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Speaker 1: when we're negotiating these contracts, I'm not trying to save

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Speaker 1: us money. I'm trying to save money for the team

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00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: so we can have a team and keep some of

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00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: these good young players. Well yeah, and he also said

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00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: I would love this stuff right there. I would love

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00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: to have this problem every year when we have so

556
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Speaker 1: many solid draft picks that we've got to resign them all.

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00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: It's don't feel sorry for him, it's just the situation

558
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: they're in because they have done a nice job drafting.

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Speaker 1: Building on that, his quote was, we're dividing the up

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00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: the pie and it's Jerry and I's final call to

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Speaker 1: decide who gets what. Is it a tough one? Of

562
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: course it is it's a tough deal, but at the

563
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all want them to have

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00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: contracts they're happy with. That's hard to do. At the

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: same time, they've got to understand we've got to keep

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Speaker 1: some other players on this football team. Can I ask

567
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: a question to both of you, and from what you've heard,

568
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: if they could get one or two guys to take

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Speaker 1: deals of the top guys, maybe a Dak or Zeke

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Speaker 1: or a Mari that isn't a top three deal, does

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Speaker 1: that kind of set precedence for what they maybe do

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Speaker 1: in the future. And I mean it in this way

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Speaker 1: that people look at it say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: Amari took less, Dak took less, Zeke took less. Does

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Speaker 1: that help them in the future. With other people say well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute. You know they could go back to

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00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: the the Malite colleges and the and the Byron Joneses

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00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: and guys like that, and say, wait a minute, our

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00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: top guys are taken less. You can't take less to

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00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: help the team. But but the difference will be those

581
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: guys will become free agents next year. Yeah, and so

582
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: it will matter. They're not getting franchise, so they'll sit

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00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: there and go, well, let's see what the market bears,

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Speaker 1: and they'll Anthony Hitchens, Yeah, Anthony hitch Right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Would have loved to have absolutely, but the market said,

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Speaker 1: or a Kansas city says, oh, here, we'll pay him

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00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: this much, and it's his best shot to go get

588
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: a great deal. You got, you got, you gotta do that.

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I can remember. I could remember when when Chris Bonio

590
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: became it was going to be a free became a

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00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: free agent, and he wanted to stay with the Cowboys,

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: and Steve Hoffman basically told him, if you're a kicker, yeah,

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and if they're gonna sign you to that big of

594
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: a signing bonus, you owe it to your family to

595
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: do it, you know. And he did and it was

596
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: miserable because you're kicking in Philadelphia for two months in

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00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: bad weather. Yeah, and you know he I don't think

598
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: he liked it. And he only lasted a couple I

599
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: don't think he made I was with him for three years.

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Speaker 1: I was with him a year. Guys have to do that.

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: But if you have the money available, you can take

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Speaker 1: a preemptive strike, maybe before free agency starts, and get

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00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: a deal done in February. Now, they would probably tell

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00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you you're gonna have to pay me for the right

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: to keep me out of free agency, like I need

606
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: to go check. But if they have good seasons, then

607
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: it's tougher. But with these guys, you know, the franchise

608
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: tags always looming, right, Yes, any of the three. And

609
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: next year you get a transition tag too because it's

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00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: the last year of the CBA, so you can actually

611
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: sort of protect two guys and not just one, so

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00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, and Stephen continues to say we've made generous

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: offers to both guys, and Seek specifically said the offer

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into specifics, but a very

615
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: generous offer. And I think I wish people would just

616
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: do research and find out what these deals are really worth, right,

617
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: not what the agent puts out there, like Michael Thomas

618
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: five years one hundred million. Well it's not one hundred million.

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Speaker 1: It's ninety six to start with. And if you look

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: where the guarantees run out, it's either three for forty

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Speaker 1: five or four for sixty one, which is fifteen million

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00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: a year. So if you went to Maury Cooper today

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Speaker 1: and said, Okay, I'll give you fifteen million a year,

624
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: would you do it? Yeah? You know if he would

625
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: sign that. They keep saying, well, okay, you gotta go

626
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: off of Michael Thomas's contract. That's what it was. The

627
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: inside Michael Thomas's contract, Look inside Carson Wentz's contract. That

628
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Speaker 1: really when when you're looking at the guarantees and see

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Speaker 1: when these guys get extensions, that base salary that first

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Speaker 1: year still counts. So his year his contract averages out

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Speaker 1: to four years, twenty six million. It's not thirty two million.

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Speaker 1: The big numbers thirty two million, But there's all this

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Speaker 1: money stuff off to the last two years of base

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Speaker 1: Gurley and the same thing with Leveon Bell. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: have to I don't want to hear this market stuff.

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Speaker 1: Almost said the wrong thing, but serious, seriously, Fish, it's

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Speaker 1: somebody else got paid. And you got to get more

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Speaker 1: than they get, can I I ask you a question

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Speaker 1: off pariscope. I think this is pretty good. I'm gonna

642
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Speaker 1: put you guys on the spot, but in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I think you will see which Collins would you resign?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, if you can only resign one is that fair.

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Mickey's at a fair question, Malik or I think this

646
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: season will answer that question. Yeah, because are they both

647
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna play at a high level? That's you hope. I

648
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: like what I'm seeing from Lale Collins. I do too.

649
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: He looks like a better player right now at right tackle. Um.

650
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Speaker 1: But again, I'll jump, I'll jump in the water. And

651
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Speaker 1: here's and here's another consideration. They don't have anybody ready

652
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Speaker 1: to step in and take a spot. Yeah, right, here's

653
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Speaker 1: my I feel better about the tackles than I do

654
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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. Well, here's my question you have and

655
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Speaker 1: you have Tristan Hills sitting in the wings. Yeah, unless

656
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Speaker 1: you're gonna move, unless you tell me you're gonna move.

657
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about Connor McGovern only. But

658
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Speaker 1: when I've seen at Penn State, I was gonna say Looney,

659
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: he's a free agent too. By the way, you've drafted

660
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Speaker 1: young players behind both spots. Yeah, but you're not. You

661
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: don't know about either guy yet. Can they afford Lyle Collins? Oh,

662
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: that's that's I have a you know, I don't know.

663
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: We'll see what Mallie Collins could get next year on

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Speaker 1: the open market. But what right, what offensive tackles of

665
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Lyle's caliber can pick at some point? How many? How

666
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: many resources can you devote to that offensive line. I

667
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: mean it's a question to answer a year from now. Oh.

668
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I think they're looking at it right now, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I think if he has a good season and he

670
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Speaker 1: says I want to test the market, then they're not

671
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: going to be able to resign him. That's my feeling too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but if they get it done before that,

673
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Speaker 1: then maybe they can. It's a matter of does his

674
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Speaker 1: agent what does his agent? He's got an agent has

675
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Speaker 1: to do some good homework. I am thinking Lyle Collins

676
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Speaker 1: is a third round pick in twenty twenty one from

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Speaker 1: a compensatory standpoint, right, well, and Connor Williams is your

678
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: right tackle next year? Yeah? If maybe I think I

679
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: can protect myself better places. I don't know, because I

680
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Speaker 1: think I protect myself a defensive tackle. But if I

681
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Speaker 1: can move Connor Williams to right tackle, and say, if

682
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Speaker 1: I knew McGovern could fill in and be the left guard,

683
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: if I knew that, I might lean towards signing Malie Collins.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's just kind of that's

685
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Speaker 1: kind of how I feel. But that depend on Tristan

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Speaker 1: Hill exactly on Triston Is that a periscope question? And

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Speaker 1: then and then also what I liked it? What are

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Speaker 1: you doing with Tyrone Crawford because he's still got a

689
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Speaker 1: couple of years left. Yeah, I think you're right, he's

690
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Speaker 1: got more than one. Yeah. See, to me, that's kind

691
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 1: of one of those we're looking at if those guys play.

692
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Speaker 1: But he's been so good for you Yeah, I mean everybody.

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Speaker 1: I mean I know when he first signed that contract,

694
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Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh my gosh, they they overpaid. He's doing

695
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Speaker 1: things in the box score you don't see. He's a

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Speaker 1: Swiss army night see. And the other and the other

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Speaker 1: guy that doesn't come up is what happens with Robert Quinn? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Robert Quinn is he a one and done?

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Speaker 1: What happens to rydal Cop Yeah? Mm see that's what

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Speaker 1: I think. Tell any man, this teams could look a

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Speaker 1: lot different next year. No, yeah, you resign your top.

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Speaker 1: That's what Stephen Jones is talking about. You got to

703
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Speaker 1: be able to keep Some of those guys are all

704
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Speaker 1: betting on themselves. Oh, no, question, we have a good year.

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Speaker 1: And question no, question. Got a lot of one year deals, ye, nicky.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bradley says, American needs to listen to you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's all we need is tell on myencouragement.

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Speaker 1: Tell him I'm trying because you're Italian. Tell him I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to save the world. Okay, are you trying to time?

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Speaker 1: Running out of time? One show at a time. I

711
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Speaker 1: didn't know your mission was that broad. It is, Okay,

712
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: everybody everybody said they would take MALIEK. Collins easy. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: lining up for MALIEK. Collins out there. I don't know.

714
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Speaker 1: I think that's a great question, life Blood. Mickey's right, though.

715
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Speaker 1: Mickey's right. This is gonna come down to how well

716
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Speaker 1: and can you get a deal done with with say

717
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins before. But you're right about the resources in

718
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. But you also drafted that kid to play.

719
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Speaker 1: I think that mcgovernment not to play this year, but

720
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Speaker 1: to play next and just because he's not practicing right

721
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Speaker 1: now that that doesn't affect his long touch liability. But

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Speaker 1: that wasn't a premeditated decision that happened on the clock,

723
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they were thinking, okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: us a guard that can go in and start so

725
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Speaker 1: we can move Connor McGovern. They just qualified it when

726
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Speaker 1: the guy was still on the board. It was the

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Speaker 1: blinking yeah, folks. Folks are reminded us a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: If they couldn't afford Ron Leary, they won't afford Lyle Collins.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Ron Leary was older, wasn't he. I

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Speaker 1: think Ron Larry, I think they got the similar, very similar,

731
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Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, I mean that was his first free agent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that was that was back then, so you can't compare. Well,

733
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Speaker 1: I know you're right four years ago because you don't

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Speaker 1: know Valerie Capital here. It comes to loud color Collins

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. Thank you very much for Periscope

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Speaker 1: feel he's been overall in camps? I think he's thrown

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827
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Speaker 1: But I've seen him throw the ball away. And you know,

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Speaker 1: job of that. He's been challenged, Yeah, I like that.

839
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: I like the fact he's been challenged. His defense has

840
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: given him some things that's been made it difficult for him,

841
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think, like Mickey says,

842
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's he's had to get rid of the football.

843
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: He's had to make decisions. He's had to move around,

844
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: he's had to fight for things. It hasn't been easy

845
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: for him. He's had some days where he's really been

846
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: on point throw the football. A lot of that has

847
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: to do with Cobb getting open, uh you know, uh,

848
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: Gallup getting open, Davis getting open, guys getting open for him.

849
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: Those guys have got to win on the outside to

850
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: help him, the tight ends getting open. When he's had

851
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: guys that had the ability to get the football to him,

852
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: he's done a really good job at I think I

853
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: could say the best thing I love about this camp

854
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: so far Ada Prescott is he's been challenged, and I

855
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: think when it comes to the time to play these

856
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: games for real, I think he's going to appreciate how

857
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: hard it was for him at training camp to make

858
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: play after play after play, tight window throws all day long,

859
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: some good, some bad. But I think at the end

860
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: of the day it's going to be beneficial for him.

861
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing is you don't see him

862
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: when a play breaks down, take off and start running.

863
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: He's trying mobile, trying to figure things out, things out.

864
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: Can I go somewhere with the ball or maybe I

865
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: just throw it away? And compare that to what you

866
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: saw yesterday with Mike White. Yes, he's still hesitant to

867
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: cut it loose and he ends up running with the ball.

868
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: He seems like more than he froze it. Yeah, and

869
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: that's either I don't know if those times his protection

870
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: they're not getting open, or but he takes off and

871
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like there's a new game we play on the sidelines.

872
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: It's when Mike white first pass is always a checkdown

873
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: that first It's like, you can you can win money

874
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: on that. By the way his first passes, but that

875
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: maybe that gets him going, you know, but he needs

876
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: to let it fly more. We've talked about that in camp,

877
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: but Dak overall, Mike Mickey said a lot of good

878
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: things there being challenged. That's even a better thing next

879
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh seeing things different, you know, you know what,

880
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: you know what I think Layton vander Esh is learning.

881
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: I think Layton vander Esch having to play against Jason

882
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Witten is a good thing for him because he's playing

883
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: some things in coverage. He can make every single tackle.

884
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: If they were bringing him to the ground, he would

885
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: see Layton Vanderesh have sixteen tackles every day. You know. Yeah,

886
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: but I think where he's learning is the coverage aspect

887
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: of his game. You know, he's always been a physical player,

888
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: a lateral player, you know, a guy that gets after you,

889
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: but having to deal with a guy like Jason Witton

890
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: as a blocker on him a little bit at times,

891
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: or a guy that gets to him, you know, or

892
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: Connor Waves those guys getting up on him, playing with

893
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: your hands. But I got I go back to those

894
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: coverage things, like when they get down the red zone,

895
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: he has to carry Witten a little bit, or he

896
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: gets in the he gets in the individual drills over

897
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: here where they're playing against the tight ends and the backs.

898
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: He's having to do that. I think that that aspect

899
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: is starting to because he has some really good coverage

900
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and then he has somewhere. Ah, the old man got

901
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: him today. Old man figured out how to separate He's

902
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, Nope, not many people can lean on Layton

903
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and separate Jason Witten can because I saw it

904
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: the other day. I saw it yesterday. It's like it

905
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: happened down in the red zone and and Vanderesh walked

906
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: up to Witton after words. I mean, he didn't play

907
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: with him, he didn't play with him last year. Yeah,

908
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: so he doesn't really know Jason Witten. He knows the

909
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: stories of Jason Witten, but he doesn't know Jason Witten.

910
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: So he walked up to Jason Witton and they walked

911
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: together back in towards the huddle, and it was kind

912
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: of like Vanderesh was picking his brains asking question he

913
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: was at. He was like, He's like, you just bullied me,

914
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: But how did you bully me? And Witton was trying

915
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: to tell him like, well, maybe, he said, you gave

916
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: me outside lever, you gave me an outside. Look. I

917
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: knew I could lean on you and I could get

918
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: back inside if you play me more balanced, you know.

919
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I'm learning about Layton Vanderesh

920
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: the player. I wrote that note down because I saw

921
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: it when it happened. Yeah, and Witton was more than glad.

922
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: They just walked. They walked, two really tall men that

923
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: are good, great football walked together and talking about how

924
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: they got better, how to get better. The other thing.

925
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing I've noticed about him

926
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: His confidence has soared. So he's talking more, he's telling

927
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: people where to move. It's almost like he's little Sean

928
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: lee out there. It's a matter of fact. One time

929
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: I saw him telling Jalen Hey over there, over there,

930
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: and so I don't think he would as a rookie

931
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: was doing that. He seems like he has more command

932
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: of what's going on on the field. One thing Ben

933
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: Bloom linebackers coach told us, it's it's little things for him.

934
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: It's diagnosing things pre snap reads because at the linebacker position,

935
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: one step can make a huge difference in terms it's

936
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: whether you get there or not. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

937
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: So that in terms and also you know, building his

938
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: upper body strength in terms like you were talking about

939
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: getting off blocks, guys trying to get to the second

940
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: level on him. That's important as well. Um Jamais Alawali

941
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: fullback being used a lot more. Yes, and yesterday was

942
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: the first day I noticed we had two backs in

943
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: the backfield, two backs being one being Pollard, yes, one

944
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: being Alfred Morris. So now we're starting to see, okay,

945
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: little creative wrinkle here, but we have seen the fullback

946
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: play in this offense off set, and I mean offset.

947
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: When you play I back, you're straight. When you're offset,

948
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: you played on one side or the other. So they're

949
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of older Wally as being a

950
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: guy that can maybe be a point of attack player.

951
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: IM one of my favorite players that we've ever had

952
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: here was like, was Keith Davis because I liked I

953
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: liked him Smith, Keith Smith. I'm sorry, So Keith Davis

954
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: did back in the day? Yeah, way back in there,

955
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: Keith Smith, And I loved him because even though he

956
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: was maybe not right all the time, he did it

957
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: at such a violent pace and a violence in there

958
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: blocking that it was like, it was like, Okay, I

959
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: get that he's making a mistake, but he's with olda Wally.

960
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: I see a more of a controlled guy. And I

961
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing, but I mean,

962
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: he's capable of catching the ball. We've seen that, capable

963
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: of making plays on the outside. I just wish my

964
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: full back was that glass eater. And I don't know

965
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: if he's a glass eater. He's not Broncho Nagurski. Okay, yeah, yeah,

966
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: he's a politeful back. He is a very politeful Yeah. Oh,

967
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: very good. There you go. That's a back in the day.

968
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: That's a number thirty nine that we didn't think about yesterday.

969
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: On our Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well we just went right

970
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: to Brandon car right, ran a branded car, right. But no,

971
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: I think that that's where To me, I like. I

972
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: like the fact that they're thinking about him as a

973
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: pass catcher, even though that Indianapolis game would not have

974
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: told you that. But he can catch the football. He's

975
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: a really good special teams player. He's he's always going

976
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: to be downfielding coverage and be positive that way. So

977
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: I think they're going to continue to have a plan

978
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: for him, even some one back. Yeah. They using him

979
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: as a one back in Nickels situations too, because he blocks,

980
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: he could pick up. He's a bigger guy. He's done

981
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: some good. If you watch him play with the Raiders,

982
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: that's something he was actually pretty good at. Yeah, stepping

983
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: up and picking up guys on the blitz. Okay, one

984
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: more cheetoh thoughts on his camp so far. We got

985
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: no problems with what he's doing. No, to me, he's

986
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: shutting down that side of the field. Physical. Yeah, I

987
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: think to me that you talk about a guy that

988
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: goes knows how to go about his business the right way,

989
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: not real flashy. The way he plays, he's steady, he's tough,

990
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: he understands how important it is to play really good technique.

991
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: You see him when he drops and drives and turns.

992
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: Everything about him is with a purpose, not much wasted motion.

993
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: With the way he's playing, they've challenged him down the field.

994
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: He's been able to carry routes inside, adjust get his

995
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: hands on balls. You know that's something. Give me those

996
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: those corners that can challenge inside, play the vertical routes,

997
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: and then when the ballstroone short rally to knock the

998
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: guy out of bounce or make the tackle. I think

999
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: a Woozier has done all those things and more. All right,

1000
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: a bonus one, And I thought you were gonna ask

1001
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: about the kicker. Let's go with that, Bret Maher, this

1002
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: is turning into a very bad trend. And this is scary.

1003
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: If you're the Dallas Cowboys. The fact that you've had

1004
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: two drives, two minute drives that it made reasonably may

1005
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: put you in reasonable ape to make field goals to

1006
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: win games. I know it's very windy out here the

1007
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: afternoon practice. If you're out here, you'll understand the goal

1008
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: posts move, the ribbons move, the tops of the trees

1009
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: above the goal post. You would swear you're playing golf

1010
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: in Ireland is as much as the wind moves and

1011
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: all this out here. But his job is to make

1012
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: thirty two yard field goals. His jobs to make thirty

1013
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: five yard field goals. His jobs to make a forty

1014
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: seven yard field goal. And especially if the drill needs

1015
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: to be finished, if the situation is for the win,

1016
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: you're not making the field goal. That doesn't bode well

1017
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: for not only the minds of the coaching staff, but

1018
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: also your teammates around him. Can you trust him? I

1019
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: think there's some doubt about that right now. And it's

1020
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: deflating two minute drill and it's happened twice now, and

1021
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: the kicks have only been like forty two yards exactly,

1022
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe reasonable, very reasonable kicks, and you're driving and you

1023
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, we did our job right, go ahead

1024
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: and finish it. And then he misses and it's like

1025
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: it was a thirty two yard or in the blue

1026
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: white scrimmage that snap right, good snap yesterday was forty

1027
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: two And then when he did you know, he had

1028
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: a nice day Saturday, six of six, right, uh, And

1029
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: then the first one yesterday was thirty three yards and

1030
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: it was the ugliest kick I think I've ever seen.

1031
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: It was like a line drive helicopter. Yeah, and it's

1032
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: like you can't have that. Those can extra point those

1033
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: kicks from fifty plus last year you felt really good about.

1034
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: It's those money kicks from forty to forty nine and

1035
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: the short ones. He won the Atlanta game, he won

1036
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: the Detroit game. If you remember that he lost. They missed.

1037
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: They had the critical miss against the Redskins in Washington.

1038
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's that's the problem with you can't feel like,

1039
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you're Dak Prescott and you drive and

1040
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: drive and drive and drive, and you have four seconds

1041
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: left and you're feeling like, oh my gosh, we did this.

1042
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: I got it. He didn't make that one against Washington.

1043
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he did snap in fraction right, all right,

1044
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: they see those guys don't need to invent oh oh right. Yeah.

1045
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's like the zeke when he lowered

1046
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: his head, right, the other guy lowered his head. It

1047
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Speaker 1: was like two battering. Why they should have been a

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Speaker 1: double file if you're gonna call it on one guy,

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Speaker 1: but that then the guy wouldn't let me have my way.

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Speaker 1: When I asked the question, he got out of it

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Speaker 1: by saying, oh, I didn't see the film of it.

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Speaker 1: It's your video. You should know what's on the part

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Speaker 1: of Mickey. Put that on your Save the World ducket.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hold the referees accountable, all right, Why

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Speaker 1: I got my white hat? All right? Thank you Mickey,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Brian, thanks everybody for listening. Producing Caden and

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Speaker 1: will next Door talk to you guys on Wednesday Thursday.

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