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Speaker 1: Special guests in here. My guy Reason is back, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: finally after Yeah, he missed the podcast when he rolled
Speaker 1: out porches, but he's here. Two years later. Welcome sir,
Speaker 1: I apologize about that. It's all good, man, it's all good.
Speaker 1: You had a lot going on, yeah I did. I
Speaker 1: had a lot on the messiest album out of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but we're here. How you been, man, I've
Speaker 1: been good. I've been good.
Speaker 2: Just rebuilding, you know, finalizing the team, finalizing projects. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to drop three this year, so I just been working.
Speaker 2: Like I was telling my manager Jy, like I'm exhausted,
Speaker 2: but a good exhausted, like not not like burnt out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean for you is that kind of
Speaker 1: like it's got to feel good to be like I
Speaker 1: can put out three albums this year and it's up.
Speaker 2: To you, right, it's up to me. And knowing that,
Speaker 2: like if I wanted to come out, it'll come out.
Speaker 2: It's like little things like I was. I was talking
Speaker 2: to the team and like when we dropped out of
Speaker 2: joint with Bo's not what you think, that was the
Speaker 2: first joint that I've ever dropped that wasn't at least
Speaker 2: a year old. So that was crazy for me, Like
Speaker 2: I've never put out a song that wasn't at least
Speaker 2: like at least a year at least a year, like,
Speaker 2: so I was still emotionally connected with it. Cause that's
Speaker 2: one of the things, like whenever I would drop music,
Speaker 2: it would be hard to talk about me because I
Speaker 2: wasn't even that person anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, It's crazy people don't realize like artists they
Speaker 1: I guy, what you call demoitis is that in yea
Speaker 1: where you get tired of your own ship hasn't heard it.
Speaker 2: You either get tired of your own ship or you
Speaker 2: hear it one way so long that then when it's
Speaker 2: about to come out, the label might like make a
Speaker 2: last minute change to it, and now you hate it
Speaker 2: because you're like or you're like, no, I like the original.
Speaker 1: I like the original, or the fans don't know but
Speaker 1: the fans don't know.
Speaker 2: Or you figure out you couldn't clear the sample, you
Speaker 2: got to remake the sample, and now you hate the record,
Speaker 2: but they love it, but you hate it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, that's got to be refreshing, man,
Speaker 1: Yeah it feels. It feels good for you. Man. So
Speaker 1: are you strictly independent? Do you got a distro situation? Like?
Speaker 2: What is I got like a partnership distro situation? A
Speaker 2: lot of distros came to me It was funny because
Speaker 2: a lot of labels like right when I left, of course,
Speaker 2: like I had a lot of deals on the table,
Speaker 2: but they were all just like throwing money my way.
Speaker 2: But I just kept telling them like, bro, I just
Speaker 2: got to like the last thing I want to do
Speaker 2: is you know when money comes long term, I'm like,
Speaker 2: why would I go into another situation like that? But yeah,
Speaker 2: like a partnership distroal situation though, yeah, one that's like
Speaker 2: under Next Records. So yeah, Next Records. I think they
Speaker 2: got like Bennie the Butcher Davies, like a few people
Speaker 2: that's in that pocket. So that was another thing that
Speaker 2: interests me because it's kind of like in the wave
Speaker 2: of kind of what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Speaking of waves, wave shout out to my mama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, yo, Uh talk to me like for you, man,
Speaker 1: what is the last couple of years been like? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably found out one who like
Speaker 1: some of your real friends are and who were just
Speaker 1: like showing the street man, what was the process like
Speaker 1: going through that? Man?
Speaker 2: I was talking to my brother about that ship, like
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. There were certain relationships. There
Speaker 2: were certain relationships that I didn't know were as strong
Speaker 2: as they were, Like I left, and then we became
Speaker 2: even closer and tighter and people reached out and was
Speaker 2: just like, yo, you know, I just want to let
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, I fuck with you, our
Speaker 2: rock with you, like you've always been solid. You know,
Speaker 2: we locked in, And so I had more of those
Speaker 2: than the other way around. But then there were certain
Speaker 2: relationships where him like niggas un followed me like yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's followed me like don't answer the phone no more,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like all right, bet. But I always
Speaker 2: look at stuff like that as a blessing because it's
Speaker 2: it's better to kind of know than to you know,
Speaker 2: have a situation where you know, people just if they
Speaker 2: feel like they got to choose side, which I've always
Speaker 2: tried to like tread the line of making people not
Speaker 2: feel like they have to choose sides and telling the
Speaker 2: story in a way to where you know, people don't
Speaker 2: feel that way, but if they feel like they got
Speaker 2: a cheoe sides, people choose sides. And there's just certain
Speaker 2: relationships that I had where it's still love on my end,
Speaker 2: but I could tell that it was like, oh, so
Speaker 2: you was just fucking with me because I.
Speaker 1: Was TD, you know what I mean, which is it's
Speaker 1: all good. Was there anybody with TD that like they
Speaker 1: used to keep in contact with?
Speaker 2: I still I still talk to Ray and then I'll
Speaker 2: still talk to DOCIH shout out to Doci. She's going
Speaker 2: fucking insane. Yeah, but I knew that was the day
Speaker 2: I met Doci. I told Moose, was like, she's fucking
Speaker 2: like yeah, Like I think.
Speaker 1: You were there when she had a little like introduction
Speaker 1: to LA party where she performed and it was like
Speaker 1: some airplanes shure, yeah, yep, yep. I was just like,
Speaker 1: what the nah, bro?
Speaker 2: Like the the thing about Dochi that's so special, bro,
Speaker 2: is that if you like, from the day I met her,
Speaker 2: if you have a conversation, she's always talking like long term,
Speaker 2: like she's always she was always thinking like nine steps ahead,
Speaker 2: and to be that young black woman in this industry
Speaker 2: where it's at right now because the best time for
Speaker 2: black women also talented and to have like that type
Speaker 2: of mind, I was just like, yeah, she's out of here,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So those are probably the
Speaker 2: only two though that I still like keep in contact with.
Speaker 2: If I run into niggas though it's love and I
Speaker 2: just running a start not too long ago. Yeah racist, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she was so purpose.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's crazy, like how she rolled out
Speaker 1: her career because she like this new album is like
Speaker 1: really like a boombab rap album. Yeah yeah, but like
Speaker 1: her biggest record prior to this was the what it
Speaker 1: is before that, it was The Persuasion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I tell people, bro, It's like her
Speaker 2: her bag is like I genuinely believe. And I see
Speaker 2: some of her fans, so the dochik don't come from
Speaker 2: me but I because they hate comparing. But I genuinely
Speaker 2: believe she's gonna be like as big as Beyonce in
Speaker 2: the Rap. I genuinely yeah. I literally have said that.
Speaker 2: I think she's going to be there. There will be
Speaker 2: a day where she's the biggest artist on the planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she had my Alma of the Year
Speaker 1: last year. A lot of people want, you're fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you haven't heard the album. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Grammy buzz starts rolling and
Speaker 1: everybody gets hip and then that fucking uh she did that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: DENIALA is the river with the Yeah, kids, that shit's over. TikTok.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow Yeah for you man. You said, you know
Speaker 1: when when you when you came in, you were like
Speaker 1: kind of had to get away a little bit. Was there,
Speaker 1: like a like a reset you had to go through
Speaker 1: because I feel like you've had like a you've had
Speaker 1: like a great career for an artist, especially someone who
Speaker 1: makes fucking real ship, you know what I'm saying, But
Speaker 1: like rap rap music of get thrown in the blender
Speaker 1: in terms of like leaving TDE and some of the
Speaker 1: shit that was out there were like like how did
Speaker 1: you kind of prepare yourself mentally for like this new
Speaker 1: era of your career.
Speaker 2: I definitely had to hit a reset. I was living
Speaker 2: like too close. I call it, like living in your
Speaker 2: work when you live in like Hollywood and shit like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, so it's like everywhere
Speaker 2: you go, you know what I mean, It's just like
Speaker 2: music or entertainment shit, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: kind of moved out a little bit east and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And then I just got back like in the studio alone,
Speaker 2: like just on some studio shit, like trying to rEFInd
Speaker 2: the love.
Speaker 1: For it because I had lost the love for it.
Speaker 2: It started feeling like I was like just clocking into work,
Speaker 2: like when I would go to the studio at the
Speaker 2: TD Base, like I would feel like literally, I started
Speaker 2: feeling like when I had a job, like Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: here and I'll be looking at the clock like how
Speaker 2: many more hours of my session?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so when you're when you're in a creative job
Speaker 2: and you feel that way, it's never gonna go well
Speaker 2: because your mind got to be in a certain space
Speaker 2: to even want to create, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so it's funny.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my boy about it, and I
Speaker 2: was sending him the ship from me and Kas's project
Speaker 2: coming out, and he was like, bro, you got like
Speaker 2: way better. And I told him, I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think I got way better. I just think I
Speaker 2: started liking it again, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: started liking doing music again. So I wasn't kind of
Speaker 2: just punching the clock anymore and just kind of getting by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love what you do, You're better at You're
Speaker 1: just better at it. You get what I'm saying, You're
Speaker 1: just better at it.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know that RESET really helped
Speaker 2: me I got away from I wasn't kicking it, you know,
Speaker 2: at industry places no more. I wasn't kicking it with
Speaker 2: artists nomore. I was just with the homies, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And then when I was in the studio,
Speaker 2: I was just with my engineer, Kaitel, and we was
Speaker 2: just like throwing shit at the wall. Don't We're not
Speaker 2: looking for a single. We're not looking for We're just
Speaker 2: looking to just like get shit off, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And so wrote out all of my feelings,
Speaker 2: the feelings that I can't, you know, necessarily talk about
Speaker 2: about everything that happened, just to get those out, and
Speaker 2: then started falling back in love with it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so yeah, yeah, I mean that's one thing
Speaker 1: that you kind of mentioned in passing. Obviously, you and Cosben,
Speaker 1: you guys had my favorite song on the on the
Speaker 1: Dreamville project. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: the fans have been waiting to see what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with this, Yeah, year, long time. The theory of an
Speaker 1: album between you two, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent coming. It's probably a lot easier to make
Speaker 1: happen now, to be quite yeah, yeah, and Coz has
Speaker 1: some label situations, not with Dreamville but with Interscope if
Speaker 1: I can't say that cause I'm sorry, but he's he's
Speaker 1: figured that out now too.
Speaker 2: So now it's like super easy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And uh, same thing with us Bro. We had like
Speaker 2: forty five records, and because every time we would lock
Speaker 2: in for like three months and do some records, then
Speaker 2: we would.
Speaker 1: Hit a wall, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then it was on my end, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I know with TD, I'm probably only gonna drop once
Speaker 2: every two to three years. Do I want to waste
Speaker 2: my drop with cause, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it was always a thing like that. And then
Speaker 2: with Kas, same thing, you know, with him, not the length,
Speaker 2: but just like him being like okay time and wise
Speaker 2: does it make sense? But now with me independent with
Speaker 2: him like basically independent, it's super easy. Like the track
Speaker 2: list is basically locked in. We're just finishing up a
Speaker 2: couple of loose strings kind of like concept. No, actually
Speaker 2: it's funny because we actually like it sounds a lot
Speaker 2: different than I think people are gonna like assume it
Speaker 2: a sound.
Speaker 1: It's it's super fun.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of raps of course, but we got
Speaker 2: like a lot of records that like, it sounds like
Speaker 2: very very much LA. And I think that's different because
Speaker 2: me and Cos both don't necessarily sarirely have like the
Speaker 2: typical LA sound, right, Yeah, but it sounds very LA
Speaker 2: and it's it's a fun album. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun making this ship over the years, for real,
Speaker 2: Like we got some of my favorite records I've even
Speaker 2: ever made period on this album.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you put Ransom and Coyote on a song together,
Speaker 1: which is so awesome and random and random is Ransom
Speaker 1: is like one of the most prolific independent rappers bro ever,
Speaker 1: Like this guy is a fucking beast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out my Doug Ransom mixtape.
Speaker 1: Legend, Independent Legend, and the Coyote obviously on the new
Speaker 1: side of the La Ship. They're going crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta my schedule being crazy. We're
Speaker 2: shooting a video for it. But I also got to
Speaker 2: you know, they go crazy with the content. I need
Speaker 2: to catch up with them and they go crazy.
Speaker 1: Have the best videos in the game. Crazy independent bro.
Speaker 2: They be having mariachi bands behind them in the Instagram videos,
Speaker 2: like full blown and these are like real Mexicans, Like
Speaker 2: these are real Mexicans with the hats playing it Like
Speaker 2: that ship is crazy to me, bro, Like they.
Speaker 1: Do not play with the content is something like because
Speaker 1: I because I knew them when they were signed with
Speaker 1: Whack Yep, and they've kind of gotten into this like
Speaker 1: funk where they couldn't release when they were kind of similar, right,
Speaker 1: so then they just started dropping it on Instagram and
Speaker 1: that's when I just saw the flips and yeah, all
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, and then everything they do is on
Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah. Yeah, bro, that ship is crazy. But
Speaker 1: people would think that they have like a content, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Guapo and and they're just they
Speaker 1: they do their own ship. They just do their own cut. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, they're they're super They're super inspiring to me because
Speaker 2: they like so everything about me and Coyote's relationship is random.
Speaker 2: Like I met them in the barbershop and didn't even
Speaker 2: know they do me at first, and then well the
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so they cut next
Speaker 2: to my barber at the time, and then like.
Speaker 1: Something ended up coming up in conversation.
Speaker 2: I was like, y'all do music and I was like,
Speaker 2: send me some shit, and then they were hard and
Speaker 2: I'm like all right, bet, And then i started following
Speaker 2: them on the Gram and I'm seeing the video. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all these niggas is like crazy. So I met him
Speaker 2: like when they were still signed the Whack but started
Speaker 2: doing the videos and so I'm like, okay, they actually fired.
Speaker 2: So we did that record a while ago, but we
Speaker 2: did it before Porches actually, so yeah, definitely a while ago.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna put it on Porches but ended
Speaker 2: up holding back off of it, and then they were
Speaker 2: about to put it out and I told them that
Speaker 2: they could, but then we talked about doing this project,
Speaker 2: so I was like hold on. So yeah, it ended
Speaker 2: up working out. And then Ransom I actually met him
Speaker 2: through my engineer, and I just I wanted another rapper
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I just felt like a posse cut and so yeah,
Speaker 2: but it worked though, and they versus they smoked it.
Speaker 1: They smoked it. Yeah. Are you already kind of like
Speaker 1: like honed in on your album, like in terms of
Speaker 1: like is it like kind of coming together?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like so so it's funny, like I know
Speaker 2: everybody's calling this one album, but it's really a mixtape,
Speaker 2: and I mean like not like everybody says, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: dropping a mixtape and then it's like an album. Like
Speaker 2: when you hear it, it's like a mixtape. You can
Speaker 2: hear you hear me talking to the fans. It's really
Speaker 2: a thank you to the fans. And it's probably something
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do continuously between albums. So it's really kind
Speaker 2: of like a life update, kind of like Little Wayne
Speaker 2: did with the dedications when he was stopping. Just talks
Speaker 2: like that. But album wise, yeah, I'm probably like sixty
Speaker 2: percent done. I'm kind of like in feature mode, trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what features I want, figuring out like Okay,
Speaker 2: what do we want the singles to be. I already
Speaker 2: have a concept and so yeah, I'm probably like sixty
Speaker 2: sixty five percent done, but that won't come out till
Speaker 2: that'd be the last project this year, so that'd be
Speaker 2: like my first independent like solo album, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean since the split stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, yeah, how have the fans been because there
Speaker 1: are a certain amount of fans who are kind of
Speaker 1: just like cult members with TD for sure, with your
Speaker 1: benefit from yeah, of course, of course, right away. But
Speaker 1: then I'm sure there's also a portion of those fans
Speaker 1: who might back up off you once you leave the label.
Speaker 1: Is that something or have the fans.
Speaker 2: Solid Honestly, the fans have been The fans have been
Speaker 2: like consistent all the way throughout, like the fans that
Speaker 2: didn't because you know, there's TV there's a wide number
Speaker 2: of TD fans, and there's TD fans that they don't
Speaker 2: like any artists besides the Big Four, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and then there's artists that you know, they
Speaker 2: only fans that they only, like I said, were shot
Speaker 2: or whatever. So the only the fans that didn't like
Speaker 2: me before they were consistent, and they still don't like me,
Speaker 2: because when you saw with TD, there's gonna be TD
Speaker 2: fans that don't fuck with you.
Speaker 1: It's just how it works.
Speaker 2: But the fans have been pretty The only fans I
Speaker 2: really lost were fans that I shot myself in the
Speaker 2: foot in But I had to do that to get
Speaker 2: out of the the label deal. When the when the
Speaker 2: Dot and the Drake beef started, I felt like topping
Speaker 2: them were kind of like dragging their feet a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think purposely.
Speaker 2: I just think they had a lot of shit going on,
Speaker 2: and I knew that if I kind of like sparked
Speaker 2: a fire a little bit, that they'd be like, we
Speaker 2: got to separate from this. So I kind of like
Speaker 2: started tweeting shit on the side of Drake purposely because
Speaker 2: I saw how how yeah, so there's fans that hate.
Speaker 1: Me for that? And wait, wait, what was the main
Speaker 1: the main tweet that fans hated you for they hated
Speaker 1: me when I remember that was just like you just
Speaker 1: like yeah, this is crazy. But I was purposely doing it.
Speaker 2: So I was talking to my boy LTA and he
Speaker 2: was like, bro, you got to turn it up if
Speaker 2: you want to get out of here in this year,
Speaker 2: Like this is gonna drag, Like I know how because
Speaker 2: he's the lawyer. He does contracts, Like I know how
Speaker 2: this ship works, Bro, it should have take two and
Speaker 2: a half years unless you turn it up. So I tweeted, uh,
Speaker 2: it was right after Push Ups Drop. I tweeted like
Speaker 2: y'all hating this beat switch up his fire and then
Speaker 2: I like let it sit for like ten minutes and
Speaker 2: deleted it. It went crazy and then you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And I still had the reason TD So
Speaker 2: it looked like insane, right, look like super crazy. So
Speaker 2: I tweeted that and then I also I had a
Speaker 2: rap radar that I did, I mean, not a rap radar,
Speaker 2: the grain room.
Speaker 1: Why am I on the radar?
Speaker 2: On the radar, Yeah, on the radar that I did
Speaker 2: over a drake beat. But this was before the beef
Speaker 2: even started.
Speaker 1: Wow. So they hit me.
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, we was about to drop it, but
Speaker 2: we don't want to, you know, damage your situation.
Speaker 1: Run that, run it, run it. Let's do it like
Speaker 1: run it.
Speaker 2: And so that I had like five million views on Twitter,
Speaker 2: and it was like mixed reviews, like some people like
Speaker 2: this think of gas and this shit fired, don't matter.
Speaker 1: Then other people like, what the fuck are you wrapping up?
Speaker 1: Because you know, fans think you recorded it today, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if it dropped today, you
Speaker 1: recorded it today. And so we did that and then
Speaker 1: that went viral and kind of ran it. So I
Speaker 1: just knew it was sensitive times, and I knew business
Speaker 1: wise it would make the most sense for them to
Speaker 1: separate from me at that point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that shit worked like a month later. A month later,
Speaker 2: I was expeditiously.
Speaker 1: It was fast. It was fast.
Speaker 2: It was like a month later it was like yo,
Speaker 2: we yeah, it's done. So paperwork was in my email.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: I feel like when like not to take it back
Speaker 1: too far, but yeah, were you purposely when you had
Speaker 1: the issue like the whole back on fake situation with
Speaker 1: Musa and obviously when viral and was crazy, was that
Speaker 1: also on purpose? No, that's just like you just like
Speaker 1: that was like to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And so the accountability I take, and I know that
Speaker 2: nobody else in that situation takes accountability, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: But the accountability I take is that I never watched
Speaker 2: anything in that podcast world, so I wasn't familiar with
Speaker 2: how they do things. I just knew, like I didn't
Speaker 2: know even though Mackwap was gonna be there, Like I
Speaker 2: thought I was doing a podcast with a D and Trail.
Speaker 2: So I hit a D in his DMS and he
Speaker 2: was like, bet, let's do it Monday, And then I
Speaker 2: text AD. He didn't answer, so I just hit up
Speaker 2: t Reil. I didn't really know Troll like that, but
Speaker 2: I assumed that they were doing it together. So I
Speaker 2: hit up Trail and Treel was like, bet, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you good for Monday, come Monday, not knowing that there's
Speaker 2: two different ye.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So when Mackwap walked in the room, I just thought
Speaker 2: he was pulling up to kick it. And then when
Speaker 2: he sat down, I'm like, oh shit, like AD's.
Speaker 1: Not gonna be here. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And then I was drinking Herodora and then
Speaker 2: like then, So for me, it wasn't on purpose, but
Speaker 2: I thought that it was a safe space because Trel's
Speaker 2: CU's best friend, Mackwap is qs DJ. I'm thinking, we're
Speaker 2: in a TD space and we're never gonna like the
Speaker 2: last place we're going to get into this type of
Speaker 2: situation is a is a TDE podcast. Like if anything,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be protected. You get what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: so usually when I do interviews and sit down, so
Speaker 2: when now, I'm very aware of what's going on, and
Speaker 2: so that's the accountability I take.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't aware.
Speaker 2: And they started off the pod with like, why are
Speaker 2: you dropping out of nowhere? You ain't had no promotion,
Speaker 2: and so I already been drinking, and so it just
Speaker 2: it kind of you know what I mean, like it
Speaker 2: just spiraled or whatever, and Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't have my intentas up you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I didn't read the wrong you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Good enough, and then it spiral. But it was a
Speaker 2: tough situation to get to get through. But I tell
Speaker 2: people all the time that was the biggest blessing because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have I don't think I would have gotten
Speaker 2: out of my contract without that going so public.
Speaker 1: You know what. That was crazy? Yeah, it was insane.
Speaker 1: One thing I had moosho. I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: oh no, it went left.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, mind you, I'm intoxicated the
Speaker 2: entire show, So you got to like put yourself in
Speaker 2: my shoes. But I've taken like eight Like I could drink,
Speaker 2: but I've taken like eight shots at this time. You
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. So when it all goes left,
Speaker 2: like I'm not the only thing I knew how to
Speaker 2: handle it. The best way is to just kind of
Speaker 2: like shut up, you know what I mean, Like as
Speaker 2: much as I could, you know, I went back and
Speaker 2: forth with them a little bit, but I didn't want
Speaker 2: to crash out because the way I would have crashed
Speaker 2: out off a liquor would have been like way worse,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because that that uh I guess like
Speaker 1: with the streaming dynamic, it's all live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't even fix it. It ain't even
Speaker 2: like you can like, yo, hey man, that's not right,
Speaker 2: that's not yeah, let's let's just skip to you know
Speaker 2: that forty minutes. That's just not It was live, and
Speaker 2: so I'm there, I'm seeing the chat go like it's
Speaker 2: it was a lot, you know what I mean, it
Speaker 2: was it was going crazy, but uh but.
Speaker 3: It was it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't as like, to be honest with you, the
Speaker 2: part that that moment didn't like I didn't even leave
Speaker 2: the place like super mad or nothing like that. The
Speaker 2: part that bothered me the most was just like afterwards,
Speaker 2: like you just kind of like what we were talking
Speaker 2: about about the relationship, Like you you're in a label
Speaker 2: that you feel like his family, and then when something
Speaker 2: like that happens and you don't see the family dynamic
Speaker 2: of it and you see yourself just kind of get
Speaker 2: put on an island. I'm like, oh, this is just business.
Speaker 2: So at that point I'm just like I bet that
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily need to like basketball.
Speaker 1: It's like, what you get traded, You're like, oh, bro,
Speaker 1: that's the exact way, and you just like, oh, damn.
Speaker 1: Like y'all, y'all like the nigga better than than me
Speaker 1: that traded for me. You know, when Luca got traded,
Speaker 1: You're like like a d like damn.
Speaker 2: Like I've been grabbing boards every night, like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so it's kind of like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so to get put
Speaker 2: on the island and it not be I'm used to
Speaker 2: family being like, you know, if two people in the
Speaker 2: family fight, we keep it in the house. But like
Speaker 2: y'all just even if y'all got to catch a fade,
Speaker 2: y'all just faded out and then we're good for it
Speaker 2: to be like the way that it was. And I
Speaker 2: still got love for everybody over there. I just I
Speaker 2: just realized it was just an eye open experience. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just business, and if it's business, then I gotta
Speaker 2: do what makes the most sense business for me.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the most like it was
Speaker 1: like because TV's like the least messy label for publicly. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and to just kind of have the curtain Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh this is not I'm sure. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Top was not very happy. Yeah happy, He wasn't happy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't happy with me. I can't imagine he wasn't
Speaker 1: happy with either.
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't He wasn't happy with Yeah, Top, top is.
Speaker 2: Top is very is very fair, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So he wasn't happy with either one of us. And
Speaker 2: you know, top is is very much like like you said,
Speaker 2: like keep everything in house, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. It's literally that we didn't know.
Speaker 2: We didn't know time Brady and Bill had anything until
Speaker 2: it was over, you get what I'm saying, Like we
Speaker 2: had no idea, And that's very much how how Top is.
Speaker 2: And honestly, that was what I felt the most bad
Speaker 2: for is Like regardless of where me and tops relationship
Speaker 2: is now, Like I love Top and I appreciate everything
Speaker 2: that Top did for me. Like this is a nigga
Speaker 2: that when I was broke, would just give me money
Speaker 2: just to keep the lights on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So there's no there's almost nothing outside of like you know,
Speaker 2: saying something about a family member of mind that Top
Speaker 2: could do for me to ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just at this point, like I think
Speaker 1: he's it's pretty much like.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like it's it's yeah, he's in the rafters.
Speaker 1: But I think I think just you you be. I mean,
Speaker 1: when we think about TD you now at this point,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, me and a problem had a
Speaker 1: back and forth about a year ago in which I
Speaker 1: was arguing that death Row because we were talking about
Speaker 1: death Brow. Yeah, and I was on the death Row side.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm on the TV side. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because when we think about just like because death Row
Speaker 1: was like a flash in the pan, right, it was
Speaker 1: like like a four year period for real, for real,
Speaker 1: like five years tops. But like the TD run is
Speaker 1: it's a whole nine you know, with Jay Rock signed
Speaker 1: with Warnerton now it's like yeah, and then you know,
Speaker 1: if you just think about just like the biggest pop star,
Speaker 1: I mean and then Kendrick.
Speaker 2: They have the biggest pop star, they have the biggest rapper,
Speaker 2: and then the biggest up and coming artists all on
Speaker 2: the same label.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think top is I mean, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong, but I got them at
Speaker 2: either one or two of Label of all time.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's number one man. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't I don't think that you could really
Speaker 2: kind of argue with because I've never seen Like I said,
Speaker 2: we obviously don't know anything about behind the scenes and
Speaker 2: nothing like that. But but you know, for the most part,
Speaker 2: you could kind of point to any Label executive and
Speaker 2: be like they did some goofy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, think about Russell Simmons. Don't
Speaker 1: think too much about him, because then you might then
Speaker 1: you're you know, then you like damn or like or
Speaker 1: even like Sugar or whoever the fuck you could go
Speaker 1: through it even like you know, you know, the dudes
Speaker 1: from QC have some you know, uh, the one guy.
Speaker 1: But but Top I feel like, fuck man, like he's
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just and then just like
Speaker 1: the one thing about Top I appreciate is he signs
Speaker 1: reason he signs, sir, he signs like, he signs, he builds.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have the following. Like He's confident
Speaker 2: enough that to me, that's what separates him is that
Speaker 2: a he has a better musical ear than people give
Speaker 2: him credit for. Like I always tell people everything top
Speaker 2: ever told me to do musically worked, and everything that
Speaker 2: he told me to do that I didn't do, I
Speaker 2: ended up wishing I did it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I mean like down to specific songs, taking lines out,
Speaker 2: switching beats, like oh, you know, switching flows every single
Speaker 2: Actually there's one song I wish I didn't listen to him,
Speaker 2: but that's like minor. But yeah, every ding, like his
Speaker 2: musical ear is like crazy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so that putting an album together, like understanding when
Speaker 2: the album you know, like what fits where, Like he's
Speaker 2: super fire at that. And then like you just said,
Speaker 2: like the confidence to be like as long as the
Speaker 2: artist is dope, yeah, nobody, nobody, Yeah, nobody, nobody. Nobody's
Speaker 2: bolded enough to do it that way. Artists developments, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so nobody's nobody's bold enough to do it that way.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what like completely separates.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people don't understand like
Speaker 1: the the like Long Trip to Scissors, Control was likesics
Speaker 1: Control came out in twenty seventeen, but like there was
Speaker 1: this huge like thing about her not dropping music and
Speaker 1: and look now and you know they're doing stadiums. It's crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the beef since you brought it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: worst el than Jah rup? Is it a bigger is
Speaker 1: it a bigger el than jar rule?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's too early to say because
Speaker 2: Joah's career, I hate even saying this on camera, became
Speaker 2: a verb. Yeah, and people said he became a verb
Speaker 2: and his career was essentially just over, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And so I think it's too early to
Speaker 2: call it because we don't know if Drake's career is over.
Speaker 2: I think that if Drake's career is over, which I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't think will happen. To be honest, I think
Speaker 2: he's too big. I think he's too big. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: So I think I don't. I think, no matter what,
Speaker 1: Drake will have a place exactly a certain level of success,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. But I think I think it's an example
Speaker 1: of like when the people choose like. For me, I
Speaker 1: personally hate the beef, and I only hate the beef
Speaker 1: because to me, this had a potential to be like
Speaker 1: the most like entertaining beef from like a rap perspective,
Speaker 1: like I thought the black thick it was, see, I
Speaker 1: don't view with it once once it got too messy
Speaker 1: for me. It was like it was it was hard
Speaker 1: for me to like which which it was, which rap
Speaker 1: beefs are messy, not messy like that though, like when
Speaker 1: we start talking about like hitting your significant other and
Speaker 1: pedophe Like to me, it crossed the line where I feel,
Speaker 1: I feel nasty, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 1: Nas and jay Z bef got extremely nasty, not pediphid,
Speaker 1: dirty cond on NAS's child's baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but fucking your bitch is always going to be
Speaker 2: in rap, Like that's like a thing that's gone, that's
Speaker 2: been in rap since the history, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: since the beginning of the time. Like to me, that's
Speaker 2: not that crazy. And I don't even mean on doc
Speaker 2: I mean on both ends, like well, listen.
Speaker 1: On your forury. He kind of told him, like no,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure like at the end of it,
Speaker 1: don't find out.
Speaker 2: Exactly at the end of the day, like you know,
Speaker 2: everything that happened happened for a reason, no pun intended.
Speaker 2: But if I just I wanted to see them like
Speaker 2: like from a pen standpoint, I wanted to see them
Speaker 2: go back and forth like more. And I feel like
Speaker 2: it got so messy that it was like neither side
Speaker 2: can like go anywhere else, never.
Speaker 1: Any coming back from it. And that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, is like like there's never gonna be a
Speaker 1: point in time where where they they cool, and like
Speaker 1: I wanted to see them and then be like, yo,
Speaker 1: there won't.
Speaker 2: Record, yeah exactly, and so that's never gonna happen. And
Speaker 2: so that's the only part about it that I would
Speaker 2: if I could like be the constructor of how it happened,
Speaker 2: I would want that just because I'm a fan of both,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I think that now
Speaker 2: we're at a point where and we're at a point
Speaker 2: just in the industry where like everybody it just feel nasty.
Speaker 1: Everybody has to choose a side.
Speaker 2: And when we're when we're in that space, to me,
Speaker 2: we're not like allowing like honesty and authenticity to be
Speaker 2: to live.
Speaker 1: Like you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't be in a space of choosing size and
Speaker 2: have honesty in it. You can't be in a space
Speaker 2: of choosing size and have authenticity in it because you
Speaker 2: have to just stand where you're at, like you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and we look at it like Mal's
Speaker 2: my guy, but he's all the way on this end.
Speaker 1: It's fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Malls wildless. And then Joe's my guy, but he's all
Speaker 2: the way on this end. It's ridiculous, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And so there there is no space to
Speaker 2: be completely you know what I mean, unbiased and authentic.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you just followed me on Twitter,
Speaker 2: you would think I was the West Coast mall. But
Speaker 2: for Kendrick, you've been going craze so much. The funnest
Speaker 2: thing in.
Speaker 1: The world on Twitter for me to do right now
Speaker 1: is to just throw some red meat to the ov hose.
Speaker 1: I just throw I just I just I just bait them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll throw a tweet out there and I'll just let
Speaker 1: it go. You just watch it. Just it just it
Speaker 1: just takes on a life of his own. It's like
Speaker 1: these are real people, yeah, bro like and like these
Speaker 1: Drake fans, they're like their entire profiles dedicated to this day.
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna tweet me about not getting pussy
Speaker 1: like you, I don't even know what you look like it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, bro, And then do you so do you know
Speaker 2: anybody in real life that's like that?
Speaker 1: No? So, No, Actually I have a friend about to
Speaker 1: say I who has an Ovo tattoo and he'll and
Speaker 1: I've been making fun of him for ten years. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But now it was like, yeah, after DJ
Speaker 1: Yours truly, I'm like, bro, you got a fucking Ovo
Speaker 1: owl on your shoulder. Fuck. But no, but there's people
Speaker 1: with the song about say so.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people like that, but
Speaker 2: when you meet it when you when you were when
Speaker 2: you are cool with somebody, and then it's like that,
Speaker 2: it's like yo, bro, like it's just us here, like
Speaker 2: we can talk like like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like we can have a conversation, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: and that's on both sides, Like I know a couple
Speaker 2: of people that's like that on drake'son and I know
Speaker 2: you know of course, because I'm you know, I was
Speaker 2: with TD. I know a lot of people like that
Speaker 2: on on Dots and and it just makes like barbershop
Speaker 2: talk not as fun no more.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean I think if you're like if
Speaker 1: it's like you're either mal or your me. Yeah. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Drake, like obviously, Drake's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest rabbers of all time, for sure, biggest hit
Speaker 1: maker ever for sure without adult uh. I think that
Speaker 1: I've always been pretty critical Drake for sure over the
Speaker 1: years that I've always there was always something holding me
Speaker 1: back from like me putting him above like a few guys.
Speaker 1: And then you know, this Battle just kind of reconfirmed
Speaker 1: all those feelings I had.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why a lot of people
Speaker 2: chose the side that they chose, is because people have
Speaker 2: been having a certain perception or feeling about somebody and
Speaker 2: then it's like, like you said, like the Battle highlighted
Speaker 2: those things and so people felt I think that they
Speaker 2: felt their emotions seen. And the biggest thing I think
Speaker 2: that the biggest takeaway that I tell artists with the
Speaker 2: Battle is Jaco just releases his podcast series and he
Speaker 2: he had he had a line from Dilated People that
Speaker 2: he said he kind of lived his career by which
Speaker 2: is worse come to worse my people first. And I
Speaker 2: think that great record the Alchemists exactly, and I love
Speaker 2: like I got relationships on on Drake's camp side as
Speaker 2: far as like production, different things like that. But the
Speaker 2: one thing that I do feel like as an artist
Speaker 2: you could take from that situation is I think Drake
Speaker 2: over the years could have done a better job taking
Speaker 2: care of his people. Because to me, the difference in
Speaker 2: the battle Dot one regardless. So even even to me
Speaker 2: music wise, I think Dot put out the better records.
Speaker 2: But I think the reason why it got as bad
Speaker 2: as it got is because I think over the years
Speaker 2: of just being such a big artist, I think Drake
Speaker 2: did not take care of his core. So Drake might
Speaker 2: have the bigger fan base like overall, but Dot has
Speaker 2: the bigger core. And when you are in beefs, your
Speaker 2: core is gonna be the one that's gonna like ride
Speaker 2: and ignite the fire. And let's say Drake has ten
Speaker 2: million fans and not only has five. Well, Dot has
Speaker 2: four point five million core fans, and Drake might have
Speaker 2: only had like one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like there's Drake fans that are Drake
Speaker 1: fans just passively, That's what I mean. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like if you are a Drake fan,
Speaker 1: you might not necessarily you know, most Death got some
Speaker 1: hell because he said that Drake made great music to
Speaker 1: shop at Target to Yeah, he was out of his mind.
Speaker 1: It was hilarious. But like, but that's kind of like
Speaker 1: true because there's a lot of people who might just
Speaker 1: be shopping at Target. I got what comes on and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I unders still but they but that
Speaker 1: might be the only hip hop artist they listen to, right,
Speaker 1: And then you know, you have all these Kendrick fans
Speaker 1: who have been like anointing him to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: because he for for better or worse, like Kendrick is.
Speaker 1: He's been you know, in my opinion, he's been top
Speaker 1: five for the last like seven eight years. But somehow
Speaker 1: he's also kind of underground for someone who's doing arena
Speaker 1: you have the underground feel, yeah, for someone who's still
Speaker 1: doing arenas and doing the Black Panther soundtrack and winning
Speaker 1: all these Grammys and shit. But he's he's his art first.
Speaker 2: He's found a way to keep his feel underground first.
Speaker 1: So it's like if he does an entire album like
Speaker 1: Missing around the Big Steppers and it's about like therapy
Speaker 1: and like looking in the mirror in like this crazy way,
Speaker 1: and like most people don't get it, but the fans
Speaker 1: who do get it are like, y'all know crazy this
Speaker 1: shiite and this battle the way all these like like
Speaker 1: YouTubers and TikTokers broke down every single little thing. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like, this guy is surgical, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: he's always been he's always been away. Now it's just
Speaker 1: you're just seeing him surgically like pick another human being.
Speaker 2: A part and like even and and the fans are
Speaker 2: having a reason to like spread it even more, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because because of the stage that
Speaker 2: it's on.
Speaker 1: Well, now it's like he's the I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the I think this is the biggest run we've ever
Speaker 1: seen an artist go on. He's got a hundred million
Speaker 1: listeners on Spotify, which I mean before he two weeks
Speaker 1: in a row. Last week he was the first rapper
Speaker 1: to ever get ninety million listeners in a month. This
Speaker 1: week is the first rapper to get a hundred million
Speaker 1: listeners in a month. And then you know Drake, And
Speaker 1: this is the thing about Drake is like Drake's just
Speaker 1: I mean, alien level talented, right, But then he puts
Speaker 1: out this party next Door album and it's a it
Speaker 1: sounds like AI there's just no feeling in it. It's
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know. There's a couple of songs
Speaker 1: give me a hug. I like, like, I like, I
Speaker 1: like to know kill record, I like, give me a hug.
Speaker 1: I like a spider Man a Superman. I personally liked
Speaker 1: the album because I know I knew coming out, like
Speaker 1: I didn't have felt like a bunch of throwaways from
Speaker 1: like twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: That that's I mean, I don't I don't necessarily like agree,
Speaker 2: but I can understand why you're saying that, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I like it because I
Speaker 2: knew what it was for, Like I knew before it
Speaker 2: came out. I put it in the box of like
Speaker 2: the Honesty never Mind, which I actually thought was no.
Speaker 1: I like honestly never Mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was fire too, That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: so I put it in that box, and so I
Speaker 2: didn't come into the I didn't come into listening to it.
Speaker 1: I think it's the worst Drakeout ever because I think honestly,
Speaker 1: never Mind's better, and you think I think it's the
Speaker 1: worst Drakeout member. And I think that's a problem when
Speaker 1: you're Drake and you're like, yo, if you're gonna come
Speaker 1: out with the slow jams on Valentine's Day, dog, you're
Speaker 1: capable of making Marvin's room full, Like not, what have
Speaker 1: you been doing the last eight months? Crying? I feel
Speaker 1: that like you should be you. I was expecting, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Drake's coming with like the hardest R and B shit
Speaker 1: we've heard from him ever, because this is this is
Speaker 1: his first release for real since See.
Speaker 2: But do you feel like that is affecting the way
Speaker 2: that you see the album though, because I didn't view
Speaker 2: it and will do it twice, like I didn't view
Speaker 2: it like this is going to be the hardest RB
Speaker 2: you get.
Speaker 1: I'm staring on with my wife in the car, and
Speaker 1: three songs in, she was like, this is new Drake.
Speaker 1: This sucks Jesus Christ. And I was like night with
Speaker 1: even dinner. I'm like, oh, the new Drake came out.
Speaker 1: I was throwing on. She's like this is new. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like my thoughts terrible, See and ship that's all the
Speaker 1: other ship is. I tried, No, I give you listen
Speaker 1: thing I want you.
Speaker 2: I give you credit for putting it on because that's
Speaker 2: like kind of like against you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean you've been. It's weird because I actually like, uh,
Speaker 1: I enjoy a lot of Drake music over the years.
Speaker 1: I was, of course, I just you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, man, it's just man, I
Speaker 1: just feel dirty putting it on now. It's weird, even
Speaker 1: though I love dude, like, nothing was the same as
Speaker 1: a fucking and I always I always say this because
Speaker 1: people will get on my head because I say Drake
Speaker 1: doesn't have a consensus hip hop classic. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by that is, if you put like a hundred
Speaker 1: of like the top hip hop heads journalists in a room,
Speaker 1: if you ain't getting ninety five percent of them, motherfuckers
Speaker 1: to say that's a classic, it's not a classic like
Speaker 1: a good Kid, Mad City or Dogy Style. Now. To me,
Speaker 1: Drake's got like three classics to me. To me, I
Speaker 1: got a me at four class I think the first mix, well,
Speaker 1: not the first mixtape, the.
Speaker 2: Well we count that I got him at five. If
Speaker 2: we count so far gone.
Speaker 1: So far gone, I got so far gone, I got
Speaker 1: take Care and nothing was the same. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people like the if you're reading this, it's
Speaker 1: too late, that's a classic. To me, I just can't
Speaker 1: get over the fact that I heard the fucking references.
Speaker 1: I can respect that one hundred percent. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: respect one hundred percent. But those are those are to
Speaker 1: me the three that I'm like, Yo, Drake's so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm listen, I'm a hater, but uh, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: like I love all three of those out. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, so Far Gone.
Speaker 2: Made me like, I think so that's about saying I
Speaker 2: think so far Gone is the consensus classic that you
Speaker 2: were talking about. I don't see you getting in the
Speaker 2: room with hip hop has and them saying so far
Speaker 2: gone is not a classic point. But for me, I
Speaker 2: got so far gone to take care nothing was the
Speaker 2: same I do have. If you're reading this, it's too late,
Speaker 2: and I got the future joint what It's time to
Speaker 2: be alive? For me, how I judge classics is different though.
Speaker 2: I judge it where if you can just put it
Speaker 2: on and let it play and not have to press skip,
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean that there's no song you don't like.
Speaker 2: It just means that you never get to a point
Speaker 2: to where you feel obbly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what It's time to be alive? Had that was
Speaker 1: crazy it was actually and so I judge it off
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I judge it off for impact, which is why I
Speaker 2: always say now like there's no such thing as like
Speaker 2: there's gonna be no new artists that can put out
Speaker 2: classics anymore because of impact, because there's it's the game
Speaker 2: is so convoluted that unless you're like a huge, huge
Speaker 2: artist or about to be huge, I think it's really
Speaker 2: hard to put out an impact Like I think, don't
Speaker 2: she put out I think, don't she put out a classic?
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like, you have to have that level
Speaker 2: of impact. So if you're you know, an artist that
Speaker 2: just can't make an impact in that way, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how good the music is, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's hard, man, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like you said, there's just so much,
Speaker 1: just so much shit. And it's not even just music.
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's almost like movies, it's podcast
Speaker 2: it's it's everything, you know what I mean. Like Shannon
Speaker 2: Sharp was having sex on the internet that lasted for
Speaker 2: two days, Like when when it wasn't so much shit
Speaker 2: going on, we would have been talking about that for weeks.
Speaker 1: You talked about that for maybe thirty six hours. We're
Speaker 1: in this like a weird media space where the streamers,
Speaker 1: you know, like a kid like Aiden Ross, like people
Speaker 1: like his opinion on hip hop, people reachmatter matter, He's
Speaker 1: not to know anything about hip hop.
Speaker 2: I love Kay Sannatt to death. I think everything kys
Speaker 2: Sanata is doing is fucking phenomenal. But even the fact
Speaker 2: he's obviously not a hip hop head. That's what I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, obvious, the fact that you have people
Speaker 2: dropping hip hop albums and feel like they are obligated
Speaker 2: to stop at Kay sannat spot which and he's dope,
Speaker 2: and you know, Kyle, I love Speed. I think I
Speaker 2: think the one is is fucking phenomenal in there. I
Speaker 2: think their visionaries, especially to be so young. But like
Speaker 2: you said, it's I and he don't even try to
Speaker 2: act like he's a hip hop He no. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I love Kay is because Kay's
Speaker 2: and I don't try to be nothing that he's not.
Speaker 2: He don't give he don't give a fuck like they're
Speaker 2: killing them right now because of what he said about Die,
Speaker 2: But he genuinely don't give a fuck, And that's what
Speaker 2: I love about him. He's just authentically Kai all the time.
Speaker 2: But I say this to say, you got you know
Speaker 2: people that are thirty three, thirty four feeling like obligated
Speaker 2: that they got to stop there and spend a night
Speaker 2: to get their album to sell. You get what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like for real, Like and it's like to me, that's
Speaker 2: the part of the game that like, I just I
Speaker 2: just hate that we're at now, is that nobody's doing anything,
Speaker 2: Like nobody's doing shit because they love it anymore. Everybody's
Speaker 2: treating it like a fucking job. And that's what I hate.
Speaker 2: Like you don't see big rappers sitting down with keVs
Speaker 2: or Charlemagne's or whoever. That like people that actually love rapping.
Speaker 2: They're just going to wherever they think makes sense for
Speaker 2: that album.
Speaker 1: That's all. Like a lot of artists now, if they're
Speaker 1: a certain level, they're just gonna go do kaisonat that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, bro. Like Nicki Minaj, the only piece of
Speaker 1: media she did, she went and spent the night with
Speaker 1: Kayson And it's like, bro, like like I don't love
Speaker 1: you spend the night.
Speaker 2: I don't think she spend the night, but like with
Speaker 2: like I love Nikki to dead.
Speaker 1: But with all due respect, why the fuck is Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj spending like or it's like popular, No, no, it's
Speaker 1: like it's okay to do that, but it's like also
Speaker 1: do jothing where we just have a music conversation about
Speaker 1: like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, just but see, I'm gonna take it a step further.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think that she should
Speaker 2: do that. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't
Speaker 2: think she should do that because Nikki. To me, I
Speaker 2: have Nikki as the best and biggest female rapper ever.
Speaker 2: It's not even a debate.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: So you are big enough to where like whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck you do is it? And that is one thing
Speaker 2: that I do I have always like liked about Drake
Speaker 2: is that, like, like Drake did on the radar, on
Speaker 2: the I became a spot.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like to me, it's like when you're in that spot,
Speaker 2: like do groundbreaking ship because you are the wave.
Speaker 1: Like. But then the other thing dra will do is
Speaker 1: he'll he'll, he'll, he won't go do it because this
Speaker 1: I agree with that as much as I don't agree
Speaker 1: with academics. And you know, academics has invited me to
Speaker 1: suck his dick on his stream. Wild guy. Uh. We
Speaker 1: we got on the phone though, We're fine, but I'm like, yo, Drake,
Speaker 1: go do academic ship. Why are you doing these random
Speaker 1: little Canadian white dudes and the gambling on stream like
Speaker 1: this is no? I agree with he as fuck I
Speaker 1: I and I and I agree. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: what I may know is like to me, go do
Speaker 1: Moriam mall Bro go do Rory and.
Speaker 4: It no.
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean is like that's fire. Like
Speaker 2: I thought it was dope that Dot just sat down
Speaker 2: with Ebro Like to me, it's like that was a
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 1: The super Bowl and it was one of super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, don't sit with.
Speaker 2: Is that like bro like to me? Like, and so
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, Like, this is not like a biasing.
Speaker 2: This is not like a pick sized thing. To me,
Speaker 2: hip hop is in the space that is in because
Speaker 2: people pick features off of clicks and what's gonna benefit them.
Speaker 2: They pick interview, they pick everything based off of what
Speaker 2: makes sense for the algorithm and not what makes sense
Speaker 2: for the culture. And that's why the culture keeps dying,
Speaker 2: Like regardless of where this beef is. It's like hip
Speaker 2: hop is not in the best space that it's it's
Speaker 2: not in the best space because people do that. So
Speaker 2: like you'll get a big artist that it might make
Speaker 2: sense for them to work with a boogie, but Boogie's
Speaker 2: maybe not hot enough, so they go work with a
Speaker 2: nigga that they don't even know his catalog, but somebody
Speaker 2: told him, like, yo, go look at this artist. He
Speaker 2: going crazy, and so they go work with him instead
Speaker 2: of doing that when it's like you're not at that point,
Speaker 2: you're not feeding the ecosystem. We don't feed the ecosystem enough.
Speaker 2: Like we need to keep our media that is in
Speaker 2: the world that we love, that really cares about this world.
Speaker 2: We need to keep them as the hottest media.
Speaker 1: How do you do that? Pull up? You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If Nikki pulls up you know to I don't fucking
Speaker 2: know name whoever is a person?
Speaker 1: And that I was about Q. Yeah, Q going and
Speaker 1: doing background FIG was dope to me.
Speaker 2: That was fire Like that was fire, bro Like, like
Speaker 2: go do back on FIG because that is like the
Speaker 2: people that fuck with you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, what what you represent?
Speaker 2: That's the ecosystem you should be feeding and like when
Speaker 2: you're a bigger like, I understand it for up andcoming
Speaker 2: artists because you just trying to.
Speaker 1: Get whatever like you can get.
Speaker 2: But if you are like Nikki, you Nikki, you can
Speaker 2: go sit down with a nigga that we ain't never
Speaker 2: heard of before and they're gonna be the biggest thing
Speaker 2: because you're gonna bring a bunch of abauty.
Speaker 1: The other thing too, though, is a lot of artists
Speaker 1: now like they just go straight to fans. They'd rather
Speaker 1: just go on Instagram live. Like, for sure, Cardi B
Speaker 1: be fucked up on Instagram line titty out, for sure.
Speaker 1: I've seen Cardi B's aeral on and meat a lot lately.
Speaker 1: But it's it's like anything you need to know about
Speaker 1: her and her fucking just go straight to the fils
Speaker 1: bro for better everything that's happening with her and offset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a fact. But of course you could go
Speaker 1: sit down in an interview and they ask, so what's
Speaker 1: going on with you? Went off? Just go watch my
Speaker 1: drunk live from three nights ago? Do you know exactly
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened? But we had sex six hours
Speaker 1: ago and now I hate them, but I also fuck
Speaker 1: with that because that's feet that's feeding her ecosystem. For sure,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's that's what I mean. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: the other on the other side, it's like, unfortunately, with
Speaker 1: the streaming and like some of this ship like artists
Speaker 1: have also adopted what they call in the streaming world
Speaker 1: clip farming, like the clip farming uh model where you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I'm rolling out the album. What are
Speaker 1: like three or four moments I can create.
Speaker 2: Exactly that is just gonna get clipped and then we're
Speaker 2: gonna send it to all of the pages and they're
Speaker 2: gonna post and so yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 1: We'll see I mean, I like I saw. I think,
Speaker 1: like the one thing with the Kendrick thing and like
Speaker 1: Dochi winning Best New Artists or I'm sorry best hip
Speaker 1: Hop Album she got wrong for Best New Artists? Who
Speaker 1: listens to Chappelle Room, Yeah, I didn't even know who
Speaker 1: that was anyway, But I think it's like promising we'll
Speaker 1: see you know, we'll see man. But yeah, I'm I'm hopeful.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the ecosystem of media is it's just becoming
Speaker 1: a lot, dude. Bro.
Speaker 2: The ecosystem of media.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even hating on anything. I love, Like
Speaker 1: you said, I love speed, but there's always like the
Speaker 1: Playboy Max guy. I feel like he just popped up
Speaker 1: like a month ago. Yeah he did, he did, and
Speaker 1: he's lit now, but I didn't know the fuck he
Speaker 1: was like forty five days. And to me, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with it.
Speaker 2: I just think that like that ecosystem should exist over
Speaker 2: there because it's the thing.
Speaker 1: They feed their ecosystem.
Speaker 2: Like Kai puts on a bunch of streamers, he's just
Speaker 2: talking about the stream university that he wants to do doc.
Speaker 2: That's something he's a visionary. But I'm like, they feed
Speaker 2: their ecosystem. The issue with us is that we don't
Speaker 2: feed our ecosystem like our goats or our idols and
Speaker 2: shit like that. They don't go sit down and feed
Speaker 2: the ecosystem. They don't do records with up and coming artists.
Speaker 2: That you'll have an artist, they'll have artists A who
Speaker 2: praised them so much that when you listen to artists
Speaker 2: as music, you can hear it in their music how
Speaker 2: much they are influenced by this artist. And then they
Speaker 2: have artists B that kind of likes them, but they
Speaker 2: hot and they popping, and then they'll just go do
Speaker 2: a feature with artists B, which is like, that's cool
Speaker 2: and it's gonna help you, but it's not gonna help
Speaker 2: the ecosystem because if you do it with artists A,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get bigger and then they're going to a
Speaker 2: praise you for doing that and putting them in a
Speaker 2: bigger light. But then also be they're gonna then feed
Speaker 2: the ecosystem because now they're bigger, so now they can
Speaker 2: do bigger features with other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, I think back to the
Speaker 1: Drake rap Ratear interview a few years ago, and I
Speaker 1: think like it would be if if artists of that
Speaker 1: caliber every few years just did one of those sit downs,
Speaker 1: not necessarily just with with someone who.
Speaker 2: Wants aware of just pick one, like literally, if you
Speaker 2: could put them in dice and roll the fucking dice out, sure,
Speaker 2: and just just pick one, bro, and it'll keep our
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like ecosystem in that space.
Speaker 1: Random J Cole stepping out probably best decision ever, right one.
Speaker 1: When you talk you talk about visionaries, visionary he said,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, everybody knows knows this. That's the reason fan
Speaker 2: Like I'm a diehard cold fan. That is my goat,
Speaker 2: like on a Big three. I was hot when I
Speaker 2: figured it when I heard it while I was on stage. Actually,
Speaker 2: I was on stage and I talked to about the
Speaker 2: crowd a lot while I'm performing, and somebody in the
Speaker 2: crowd told me like J Cole just apologized because I
Speaker 2: made a joke about the beef. And right when I
Speaker 2: got off stage, I looked a him like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: my heart was hurt. But hindsight you talk about you
Speaker 2: talk about twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I saw a punch. I saw punch maybe like three
Speaker 1: or four days before that, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this before push ups came out. Yeah yeah. I was like, hey, Drake, Drake,
Speaker 1: don't want to smoke it. Cold cool, cold, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: one of the cold. That would have been a fire
Speaker 1: battle though, that would have been man. I'm like I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, hey, but dude, dream Dreamville Fast
Speaker 1: is coming, Like there's a lot of like Q was
Speaker 1: on it, sisor was on it. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happened? Like this is weird, you know, And dude,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I genuinely think dot what's supposed to be at that
Speaker 2: Dreamville fest. I genuinely believe that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad man, because you know, there's there's this, uh
Speaker 1: version of a Kendrick and Cole album that was started
Speaker 1: that will never hear, you know, but those two guys
Speaker 1: to me are always like you know for sure guys
Speaker 1: you know yeah, uh, any idea when your mixtape is
Speaker 1: going to you said before the end of the year.
Speaker 2: No, So this mixtape is dropping on the twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: So the album, yeah, the album my bad album I'm
Speaker 2: aiming for I'm aiming for third quarter. I just I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like, kind of tired of all of my
Speaker 2: projects are dropped in third quarter, and then when we
Speaker 2: tore porches it was like freezing cold for sure, and
Speaker 2: so I kind of I want to drop third quarter,
Speaker 2: but I also kind of like maybe I should wait
Speaker 2: till fourth That way I can tour it like maybe
Speaker 2: like March aprilish and it won't be as cold, so
Speaker 2: it'll probably end up like leaning towards fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Who's who also on the tape besides obviously who we've seen.
Speaker 2: On the the mixtape twenty eighth. Uh, this dope up
Speaker 2: and coming artist Ben Riley. I want to say he's
Speaker 2: freestyle on my fire fire bro like, yeah, fire, shout
Speaker 2: out to the group chat. We got a group chat
Speaker 2: with U, and I apologize if I miss anybody but
Speaker 2: me Ben Riley, Deonte Hitchcock Bro. This group chat is
Speaker 2: so fucking fire bro Seeddi Hendricks Like, It's just a
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of fire niggas in the group chat.
Speaker 1: So that's how I met Ben.
Speaker 2: But Ben, we got a record that we we flipped
Speaker 2: We Made You sample by Kanye Kanye super Fire, and
Speaker 2: he does have a better verse of me. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just put that out there. He's super super crazy. So
Speaker 2: Ben Riley, of course, you know the Coyotes Ransom by
Speaker 2: hit Boy got a verse. It's funny because people saw
Speaker 2: it and they thought it was production. But I've been
Speaker 2: a big hit Boy rap fan for a long time,
Speaker 2: So shout out to him and Surf Club.
Speaker 1: He's on there.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm coded the friend and coded the
Speaker 2: friends on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on.
Speaker 2: Actually, my favorite song on the project I have been
Speaker 2: for the last month. Happened because I've been too busy.
Speaker 2: But that's been like you know, my love. We just
Speaker 2: want our championship, the adult league championship. So I take
Speaker 2: that very seriously. And I got most improved because the
Speaker 2: first season I was so bad and coming off of
Speaker 2: just being drunk all the time. At the second season,
Speaker 2: I had nowhere to go but up. So you played.
Speaker 2: I played in college the racist college coach. Ever find
Speaker 2: out that you clowned him, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So many people putting shit together. Bro, they put it
Speaker 1: together too, they like I saw, like they found it.
Speaker 1: This is the coach.
Speaker 2: They got it, Bro, they found it. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if he ever did because I never talked to him.
Speaker 2: But my assistant coach did hit me and was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you're crazy for saying that. But I understand, but I
Speaker 2: understand why you did it.
Speaker 1: He was like, bro, like that.
Speaker 2: He was like, the way you were treated over there
Speaker 2: was fucking nasty. So yeah, excited about Luca. It's super
Speaker 2: excited about Luca. I hated losing Anthony Davis though, I
Speaker 2: will say that, And then he got injured his first
Speaker 2: game with the Mavericke and I was like, God, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. Like I was talking
Speaker 2: to the hommies that they hated the trade, because you know,
Speaker 2: Laker fans, we fall in love with players that.
Speaker 1: We really love. You knew Laker fans that hated the trade.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I did know Laker fans, which is crazy because it
Speaker 2: was a thing where it was like Ad was carrying
Speaker 2: us this season. So it wasn't so much that they
Speaker 2: hated the trade. They just hated to see a d go.
Speaker 2: But I told him, like, bro, like it is what
Speaker 2: it is, like you know what I mean. Like, but
Speaker 2: but I will say this, like the MAVs were right
Speaker 2: in the standpoint of like, look, I got to lose
Speaker 2: some weight, bro, that shit. When I saw him run
Speaker 2: up and down the court, I'm like, come on, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like, but he'll be fine though.
Speaker 1: Like that took him to the finals. You should never know.
Speaker 1: This is the thing.
Speaker 2: They were right in saying that he was fat. But
Speaker 2: that's not a good enough reason to trade thirty eight.
Speaker 2: That guy is not enough reason to trade it.
Speaker 1: Fat. He could be fat, Yeah, fat guy. Whoever that
Speaker 1: guy is, Nick, Nico Richards or whatever. Nick, he's fired.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be here long. Bro. I can promise
Speaker 1: you I'm glad. I'm not a Mavericks fan. I'm a
Speaker 1: Sun's fan. I'm tortured, But if that would have happened,
Speaker 1: I might have been in that. I would you know,
Speaker 1: they say he's getting death threats, I would have been
Speaker 1: in those threats.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the fans is better than me because to me,
Speaker 2: as a fan base, you supposed to boycott games until
Speaker 2: they fire.
Speaker 1: I would have you supposed to boycott. You're supposed to
Speaker 1: be outside the arena.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to hit them they where they hurt, in
Speaker 2: they pockets and buy no tickets. Was gone just quiet?
Speaker 2: It should have been quiet. Like when I saw the game,
Speaker 2: I saw many people was there. I was like, oh, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all not serious about this ship. If they would have
Speaker 2: traded Kobe Nigga, if they would have traded Kobe, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been nobody in that Kobe.
Speaker 1: It's like if they would have traded Kobe when he
Speaker 1: was thirty seven, maybe you'd have been like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: if you if traded created Kobe number eight bro after
Speaker 1: he took after he took his team to the finals,
Speaker 1: like you trade that Kobe, Bro, the Steple Center would
Speaker 1: have been dry outside. It would have been cracking riot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have sad some cars on one percent. So
Speaker 1: I'm like the mass fan.
Speaker 2: They clearly don't take their team serious enough because trading Luca,
Speaker 2: y'all supposed to be you're supposed to be demanding Nico's
Speaker 2: head on a stake.
Speaker 1: Yo. Once Luga got traded, I started just wrapping my
Speaker 1: head around, like damn, I guess they could trade Booker
Speaker 1: if Luca got traded, Like, bro, anybody, Nobody's off limits
Speaker 1: at this point. Like I'm like, bro, like the Wolves
Speaker 1: could trade a you know a. Like it's like what
Speaker 1: you're being saying, but you're being said, Yeah, anyway, Well listen,
Speaker 1: I think the only person who's probably untradeable for real,
Speaker 1: it's two people Wenby. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with that whole heartedly. Yeah Wemby, you
Speaker 2: trade Wenby? You you must have cancer and the doctor
Speaker 2: told you have four must live, So you was just
Speaker 2: trying to like make a splash before you you get
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, before you kick the bucket or something.
Speaker 1: All good man. So the mixtapes dropping on the twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: Yeah mixtape dropping on twenty eighth, Go Support, Go Support,
Speaker 1: please please be on the lookout.
Speaker 2: Me and COS will be following up pretty soon after that.
Speaker 2: Like it won't be a large yeah, it won't be
Speaker 2: a large gap. It'll be like, yeah, probably we'll probably
Speaker 2: start rolling out, probably start rolling out around Dreamville Fest. Fire,
Speaker 2: So it'll be soon dream Belfest like first week and
Speaker 2: that's the last one, right, yes.
Speaker 1: That's the last one. That is the last one.
Speaker 2: So this should be a very very fun and interesting
Speaker 2: Dreamville Fest. I hope cold drop song like I just
Speaker 2: want a Cold album, like a real album at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Unfortunately it's crazy because my deleat this
Speaker 1: later like kind of got Lost in the Sauce last year,
Speaker 1: is such a great body. He worked out that brought.
Speaker 2: I revisited it the other day and I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is a really good project, bro, like a really and
Speaker 2: you know, yeah it is. Everything got lost in the
Speaker 2: sauce stow with the beef. The beef, just the beef
Speaker 2: just was a tidal way to everything here it is.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, I appreciate you pulling up reason my guy,
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Fire