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Speaker 1: Special guests in here. My guy Reason is back, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: finally after Yeah, he missed the podcast when he rolled

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Speaker 1: out porches, but he's here. Two years later. Welcome sir,

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Speaker 1: I apologize about that. It's all good, man, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: You had a lot going on, yeah I did. I

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Speaker 1: had a lot on the messiest album out of all time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but we're here. How you been, man, I've

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Speaker 1: been good. I've been good.

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Speaker 2: Just rebuilding, you know, finalizing the team, finalizing projects. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to drop three this year, so I just been working.

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Speaker 2: Like I was telling my manager Jy, like I'm exhausted,

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Speaker 2: but a good exhausted, like not not like burnt out.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean for you is that kind of

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Speaker 1: like it's got to feel good to be like I

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Speaker 1: can put out three albums this year and it's up.

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Speaker 2: To you, right, it's up to me. And knowing that,

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Speaker 2: like if I wanted to come out, it'll come out.

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Speaker 2: It's like little things like I was. I was talking

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Speaker 2: to the team and like when we dropped out of

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Speaker 2: joint with Bo's not what you think, that was the

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Speaker 2: first joint that I've ever dropped that wasn't at least

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Speaker 2: a year old. So that was crazy for me, Like

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Speaker 2: I've never put out a song that wasn't at least

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Speaker 2: like at least a year at least a year, like,

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Speaker 2: so I was still emotionally connected with it. Cause that's

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Speaker 2: one of the things, like whenever I would drop music,

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Speaker 2: it would be hard to talk about me because I

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Speaker 2: wasn't even that person anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's crazy people don't realize like artists they

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Speaker 1: I guy, what you call demoitis is that in yea

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Speaker 1: where you get tired of your own ship hasn't heard it.

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Speaker 2: You either get tired of your own ship or you

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Speaker 2: hear it one way so long that then when it's

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Speaker 2: about to come out, the label might like make a

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Speaker 2: last minute change to it, and now you hate it

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Speaker 2: because you're like or you're like, no, I like the original.

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Speaker 1: I like the original, or the fans don't know but

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Speaker 1: the fans don't know.

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Speaker 2: Or you figure out you couldn't clear the sample, you

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Speaker 2: got to remake the sample, and now you hate the record,

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Speaker 2: but they love it, but you hate it.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, that's got to be refreshing, man,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it feels. It feels good for you. Man. So

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Speaker 1: are you strictly independent? Do you got a distro situation? Like?

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Speaker 2: What is I got like a partnership distro situation? A

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Speaker 2: lot of distros came to me It was funny because

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Speaker 2: a lot of labels like right when I left, of course,

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Speaker 2: like I had a lot of deals on the table,

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Speaker 2: but they were all just like throwing money my way.

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Speaker 2: But I just kept telling them like, bro, I just

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Speaker 2: got to like the last thing I want to do

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Speaker 2: is you know when money comes long term, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: why would I go into another situation like that? But yeah,

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Speaker 2: like a partnership distroal situation though, yeah, one that's like

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Speaker 2: under Next Records. So yeah, Next Records. I think they

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Speaker 2: got like Bennie the Butcher Davies, like a few people

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Speaker 1: Speaking of waves, wave shout out to my mama. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, yo, Uh talk to me like for you, man,

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Speaker 1: what is the last couple of years been like? Because

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Speaker 1: I feel like you probably found out one who like

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Speaker 2: I was talking to my brother about that ship, like

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. There were certain relationships. There

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Speaker 2: were certain relationships that I didn't know were as strong

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Speaker 2: just like, yo, you know, I just want to let

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Speaker 2: you know, like you know, I fuck with you, our

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Speaker 2: rock with you, like you've always been solid. You know,

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Speaker 2: we locked in, And so I had more of those

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Speaker 2: and I'm just like all right, bet. But I always

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Speaker 2: it's better to kind of know than to you know,

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Speaker 2: feel like they got to choose side, which I've always

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Speaker 2: tried to like tread the line of making people not

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Speaker 2: a cheoe sides, people choose sides. And there's just certain

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Speaker 2: relationships that I had where it's still love on my end,

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Speaker 2: but I could tell that it was like, oh, so

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Speaker 1: Was TD, you know what I mean, which is it's

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Speaker 1: all good. Was there anybody with TD that like they

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Speaker 2: I still I still talk to Ray and then I'll

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Speaker 2: still talk to DOCIH shout out to Doci. She's going

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Speaker 2: fucking insane. Yeah, but I knew that was the day

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Speaker 2: I met Doci. I told Moose, was like, she's fucking

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Speaker 1: You were there when she had a little like introduction

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Speaker 1: some airplanes shure, yeah, yep, yep. I was just like,

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Speaker 2: Like the the thing about Dochi that's so special, bro,

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Speaker 2: if you have a conversation, she's always talking like long term,

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Speaker 2: like she's always she was always thinking like nine steps ahead,

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Speaker 2: and to be that young black woman in this industry

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Speaker 2: only two though that I still like keep in contact with.

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Speaker 2: If I run into niggas though it's love and I

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Speaker 2: just running a start not too long ago. Yeah racist, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she was so purpose.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's crazy, like how she rolled out

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Speaker 1: her career because she like this new album is like

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Speaker 1: really like a boombab rap album. Yeah yeah, but like

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Speaker 1: her biggest record prior to this was the what it

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Speaker 1: is before that, it was The Persuasion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I tell people, bro, It's like her

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Speaker 2: her bag is like I genuinely believe. And I see

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Speaker 2: some of her fans, so the dochik don't come from

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Speaker 2: me but I because they hate comparing. But I genuinely

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Speaker 2: believe she's gonna be like as big as Beyonce in

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Speaker 2: the Rap. I genuinely yeah. I literally have said that.

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Speaker 2: I think she's going to be there. There will be

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Speaker 2: a day where she's the biggest artist on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she had my Alma of the Year

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Speaker 1: last year. A lot of people want, you're fucking crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you haven't heard the album. And then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Grammy buzz starts rolling and

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Speaker 1: everybody gets hip and then that fucking uh she did that?

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Speaker 1: DENIALA is the river with the Yeah, kids, that shit's over. TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow Yeah for you man. You said, you know

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Speaker 1: when when you when you came in, you were like

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Speaker 1: like a like a reset you had to go through

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Speaker 1: because I feel like you've had like a you've had

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Speaker 1: like a great career for an artist, especially someone who

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Speaker 1: makes fucking real ship, you know what I'm saying, But

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Speaker 1: like rap rap music of get thrown in the blender

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Speaker 1: in terms of like leaving TDE and some of the

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Speaker 1: shit that was out there were like like how did

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Speaker 1: you kind of prepare yourself mentally for like this new

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Speaker 2: I definitely had to hit a reset. I was living

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Speaker 2: like too close. I call it, like living in your

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, so it's like everywhere

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Speaker 2: And then I just got back like in the studio alone,

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Speaker 1: For it because I had lost the love for it.

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Speaker 2: It started feeling like I was like just clocking into work,

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Speaker 2: TD Base, like I would feel like literally, I started

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Speaker 2: here and I'll be looking at the clock like how

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Speaker 2: many more hours of my session?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And so when you're when you're in a creative job

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Speaker 2: because your mind got to be in a certain space

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Speaker 1: And so it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to my boy about it, and I

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Speaker 2: was sending him the ship from me and Kas's project

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Speaker 2: coming out, and he was like, bro, you got like

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Speaker 2: way better. And I told him, I was like, I

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Speaker 2: don't think I got way better. I just think I

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Speaker 2: started liking it again, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 2: started liking doing music again. So I wasn't kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you love what you do, You're better at You're

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Speaker 1: just better at it. You get what I'm saying, You're

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know that RESET really helped

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Speaker 2: me I got away from I wasn't kicking it, you know,

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Speaker 2: at industry places no more. I wasn't kicking it with

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Speaker 2: artists nomore. I was just with the homies, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. And then when I was in the studio,

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Speaker 2: I was just with my engineer, Kaitel, and we was

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Speaker 2: just like throwing shit at the wall. Don't We're not

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Speaker 2: looking for a single. We're not looking for We're just

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Speaker 2: looking to just like get shit off, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. And so wrote out all of my feelings,

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Speaker 2: about everything that happened, just to get those out, and

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Speaker 2: then started falling back in love with it.

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Speaker 1: They smoked it. Yeah. Are you already kind of like

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Speaker 2: Solid Honestly, the fans have been The fans have been

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Speaker 1: It's just how it works.

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Speaker 2: But the fans have been pretty The only fans I

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Speaker 2: Like this is gonna drag, Like I know how because

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Speaker 1: Why am I on the radar?

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Speaker 2: On the radar, Yeah, on the radar that I did

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Speaker 2: They're like, yo, we was about to drop it, but

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Speaker 2: And so that I had like five million views on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I feel like when like not to take it back

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Speaker 2: And so the accountability I take, and I know that

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

435
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,760
Speaker 2: So when Mackwap walked in the room, I just thought

436
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,280
Speaker 2: he was pulling up to kick it. And then when

437
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,640
Speaker 2: he sat down, I'm like, oh shit, like AD's.

438
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,320
Speaker 1: Not gonna be here. What's going on?

439
00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And then I was drinking Herodora and then

440
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 2: like then, So for me, it wasn't on purpose, but

441
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,320
Speaker 2: I thought that it was a safe space because Trel's

442
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 2: CU's best friend, Mackwap is qs DJ. I'm thinking, we're

443
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,639
Speaker 2: in a TD space and we're never gonna like the

444
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,600
Speaker 2: last place we're going to get into this type of

445
00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,919
Speaker 2: situation is a is a TDE podcast. Like if anything,

446
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna be protected. You get what I'm saying. Like,

447
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,480
Speaker 2: so usually when I do interviews and sit down, so

448
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,240
Speaker 2: when now, I'm very aware of what's going on, and

449
00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 2: so that's the accountability I take.

450
00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,399
Speaker 1: I just wasn't aware.

451
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,199
Speaker 2: And they started off the pod with like, why are

452
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,000
Speaker 2: you dropping out of nowhere? You ain't had no promotion,

453
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,560
Speaker 2: and so I already been drinking, and so it just

454
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,960
Speaker 2: it kind of you know what I mean, like it

455
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 2: just spiraled or whatever, and Yeah, I just.

456
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,240
Speaker 1: I just wasn't. I wasn't.

457
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 2: I didn't have my intentas up you know what I mean.

458
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,000
Speaker 2: I didn't read the wrong you know what I mean?

459
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,639
Speaker 2: Good enough, and then it spiral. But it was a

460
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,920
Speaker 2: tough situation to get to get through. But I tell

461
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,800
Speaker 2: people all the time that was the biggest blessing because

462
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have I don't think I would have gotten

463
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,679
Speaker 2: out of my contract without that going so public.

464
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,360
Speaker 1: You know what. That was crazy? Yeah, it was insane.

465
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,160
Speaker 1: One thing I had moosho. I was like, oh wait,

466
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,200
Speaker 1: oh no, it went left.

467
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,480
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, mind you, I'm intoxicated the

468
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,720
Speaker 2: entire show, So you got to like put yourself in

469
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 2: my shoes. But I've taken like eight Like I could drink,

470
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,639
Speaker 2: but I've taken like eight shots at this time. You

471
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,120
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. So when it all goes left,

472
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 2: like I'm not the only thing I knew how to

473
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 2: handle it. The best way is to just kind of

474
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,919
Speaker 2: like shut up, you know what I mean, Like as

475
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 2: much as I could, you know, I went back and

476
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 2: forth with them a little bit, but I didn't want

477
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 2: to crash out because the way I would have crashed

478
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 2: out off a liquor would have been like way worse,

479
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,239
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

480
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because that that uh I guess like

481
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 1: with the streaming dynamic, it's all live.

482
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't even fix it. It ain't even

483
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 2: like you can like, yo, hey man, that's not right,

484
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,359
Speaker 2: that's not yeah, let's let's just skip to you know

485
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: that forty minutes. That's just not It was live, and

486
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 2: so I'm there, I'm seeing the chat go like it's

487
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 2: it was a lot, you know what I mean, it

488
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 2: was it was going crazy, but uh but.

489
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 3: It was it was.

490
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 1: It was.

491
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't as like, to be honest with you, the

492
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 2: part that that moment didn't like I didn't even leave

493
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 2: the place like super mad or nothing like that. The

494
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 2: part that bothered me the most was just like afterwards,

495
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 2: like you just kind of like what we were talking

496
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 2: about about the relationship, Like you you're in a label

497
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: that you feel like his family, and then when something

498
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 2: like that happens and you don't see the family dynamic

499
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 2: of it and you see yourself just kind of get

500
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 2: put on an island. I'm like, oh, this is just business.

501
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 2: So at that point I'm just like I bet that

502
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily need to like basketball.

503
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 1: It's like, what you get traded, You're like, oh, bro,

504
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 1: that's the exact way, and you just like, oh, damn.

505
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 1: Like y'all, y'all like the nigga better than than me

506
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 1: that traded for me. You know, when Luca got traded,

507
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 1: You're like like a d like damn.

508
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: Like I've been grabbing boards every night, like you know

509
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so it's kind of like that,

510
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so to get put

511
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 2: on the island and it not be I'm used to

512
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 2: family being like, you know, if two people in the

513
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: family fight, we keep it in the house. But like

514
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: y'all just even if y'all got to catch a fade,

515
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 2: y'all just faded out and then we're good for it

516
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: to be like the way that it was. And I

517
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: still got love for everybody over there. I just I

518
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: just realized it was just an eye open experience. I'm like, oh,

519
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: it's just business, and if it's business, then I gotta

520
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: do what makes the most sense business for me.

521
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the most like it was

522
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: like because TV's like the least messy label for publicly. Sure, Yeah,

523
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 1: and to just kind of have the curtain Like yeah,

524
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh this is not I'm sure. I'm sure

525
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: Top was not very happy. Yeah happy, He wasn't happy.

526
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: He wasn't happy with me. I can't imagine he wasn't

527
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: happy with either.

528
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't He wasn't happy with Yeah, Top, top is.

529
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: Top is very is very fair, you know what I mean.

530
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: So he wasn't happy with either one of us. And

531
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, top is is very much like like you said,

532
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: like keep everything in house, you know what I mean?

533
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. It's literally that we didn't know.

534
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: We didn't know time Brady and Bill had anything until

535
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: it was over, you get what I'm saying, Like we

536
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: had no idea, And that's very much how how Top is.

537
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: And honestly, that was what I felt the most bad

538
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: for is Like regardless of where me and tops relationship

539
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: is now, Like I love Top and I appreciate everything

540
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: that Top did for me. Like this is a nigga

541
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: that when I was broke, would just give me money

542
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 2: just to keep the lights on, you know what I mean.

543
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: So there's no there's almost nothing outside of like you know,

544
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 2: saying something about a family member of mind that Top

545
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: could do for me to ever.

546
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just at this point, like I think

547
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: he's it's pretty much like.

548
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like it's it's yeah, he's in the rafters.

549
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: But I think I think just you you be. I mean,

550
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: when we think about TD you now at this point,

551
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, me and a problem had a

552
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: back and forth about a year ago in which I

553
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: was arguing that death Row because we were talking about

554
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: death Brow. Yeah, and I was on the death Row side.

555
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: But I think I'm on the TV side. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

556
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 1: because when we think about just like because death Row

557
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: was like a flash in the pan, right, it was

558
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: like like a four year period for real, for real,

559
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: like five years tops. But like the TD run is

560
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a whole nine you know, with Jay Rock signed

561
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: with Warnerton now it's like yeah, and then you know,

562
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: if you just think about just like the biggest pop star,

563
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean and then Kendrick.

564
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: They have the biggest pop star, they have the biggest rapper,

565
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: and then the biggest up and coming artists all on

566
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: the same label.

567
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy, you know what I mean.

568
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think top is I mean, in my opinion,

569
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong, but I got them at

570
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: either one or two of Label of all time.

571
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he's number one man. Yeah, yeah, no,

572
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying.

573
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: Like, I don't I don't think that you could really

574
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: kind of argue with because I've never seen Like I said,

575
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: we obviously don't know anything about behind the scenes and

576
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: nothing like that. But but you know, for the most part,

577
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: you could kind of point to any Label executive and

578
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: be like they did some goofy shit.

579
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, think about Russell Simmons. Don't

580
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: think too much about him, because then you might then

581
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: you're you know, then you like damn or like or

582
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: even like Sugar or whoever the fuck you could go

583
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: through it even like you know, you know, the dudes

584
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: from QC have some you know, uh, the one guy.

585
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: But but Top I feel like, fuck man, like he's

586
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just and then just like

587
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: the one thing about Top I appreciate is he signs

588
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: reason he signs, sir, he signs like, he signs, he builds.

589
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to have the following. Like He's confident

590
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: enough that to me, that's what separates him is that

591
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: a he has a better musical ear than people give

592
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: him credit for. Like I always tell people everything top

593
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: ever told me to do musically worked, and everything that

594
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: he told me to do that I didn't do, I

595
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: ended up wishing I did it, you know what I mean?

596
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: And I mean like down to specific songs, taking lines out,

597
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: switching beats, like oh, you know, switching flows every single

598
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: Actually there's one song I wish I didn't listen to him,

599
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: but that's like minor. But yeah, every ding, like his

600
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: musical ear is like crazy, you know what I mean.

601
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: And so that putting an album together, like understanding when

602
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: the album you know, like what fits where, Like he's

603
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: super fire at that. And then like you just said,

604
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: like the confidence to be like as long as the

605
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: artist is dope, yeah, nobody, nobody, Yeah, nobody, nobody. Nobody's

606
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: bolded enough to do it that way. Artists developments, Yeah,

607
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: so nobody's nobody's bold enough to do it that way.

608
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's what like completely separates.

609
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people don't understand like

610
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: the the like Long Trip to Scissors, Control was likesics

611
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: Control came out in twenty seventeen, but like there was

612
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: this huge like thing about her not dropping music and

613
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: and look now and you know they're doing stadiums. It's crazy. Well,

614
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the beef since you brought it? Yeah,

615
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: worst el than Jah rup? Is it a bigger is

616
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: it a bigger el than jar rule?

617
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: I think I think it's too early to say because

618
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Joah's career, I hate even saying this on camera, became

619
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: a verb. Yeah, and people said he became a verb

620
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: and his career was essentially just over, you know what

621
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: I mean. And so I think it's too early to

622
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: call it because we don't know if Drake's career is over.

623
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: I think that if Drake's career is over, which I don't,

624
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't think will happen. To be honest, I think

625
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: he's too big. I think he's too big. That's what

626
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say.

627
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: So I think I don't. I think, no matter what,

628
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: Drake will have a place exactly a certain level of success,

629
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. But I think I think it's an example

630
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: of like when the people choose like. For me, I

631
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: personally hate the beef, and I only hate the beef

632
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: because to me, this had a potential to be like

633
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: the most like entertaining beef from like a rap perspective,

634
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: like I thought the black thick it was, see, I

635
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: don't view with it once once it got too messy

636
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: for me. It was like it was it was hard

637
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: for me to like which which it was, which rap

638
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: beefs are messy, not messy like that though, like when

639
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: we start talking about like hitting your significant other and

640
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: pedophe Like to me, it crossed the line where I feel,

641
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I feel nasty, you know what I mean, Like the

642
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Nas and jay Z bef got extremely nasty, not pediphid,

643
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: dirty cond on NAS's child's baby.

644
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but fucking your bitch is always going to be

645
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: in rap, Like that's like a thing that's gone, that's

646
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: been in rap since the history, you know what I mean,

647
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: since the beginning of the time. Like to me, that's

648
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: not that crazy. And I don't even mean on doc

649
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean on both ends, like well, listen.

650
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: On your forury. He kind of told him, like no,

651
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure like at the end of it,

652
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: don't find out.

653
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: Exactly at the end of the day, like you know,

654
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: everything that happened happened for a reason, no pun intended.

655
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: But if I just I wanted to see them like

656
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: like from a pen standpoint, I wanted to see them

657
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: go back and forth like more. And I feel like

658
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: it got so messy that it was like neither side

659
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: can like go anywhere else, never.

660
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: Any coming back from it. And that's what I'm trying

661
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: to say, is like like there's never gonna be a

662
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: point in time where where they they cool, and like

663
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to see them and then be like, yo,

664
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: there won't.

665
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: Record, yeah exactly, and so that's never gonna happen. And

666
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: so that's the only part about it that I would

667
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: if I could like be the constructor of how it happened,

668
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: I would want that just because I'm a fan of both,

669
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I think that now

670
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: we're at a point where and we're at a point

671
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: just in the industry where like everybody it just feel nasty.

672
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Everybody has to choose a side.

673
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: And when we're when we're in that space, to me,

674
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: we're not like allowing like honesty and authenticity to be

675
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: to live.

676
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: Like you can't.

677
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: You can't be in a space of choosing size and

678
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: have honesty in it. You can't be in a space

679
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: of choosing size and have authenticity in it because you

680
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: have to just stand where you're at, like you know

681
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and we look at it like Mal's

682
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: my guy, but he's all the way on this end.

683
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: It's fucking ridiculous.

684
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: Malls wildless. And then Joe's my guy, but he's all

685
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: the way on this end. It's ridiculous, you know what

686
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean. And so there there is no space to

687
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: be completely you know what I mean, unbiased and authentic.

688
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: By the way, if you just followed me on Twitter,

689
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: you would think I was the West Coast mall. But

690
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: for Kendrick, you've been going craze so much. The funnest

691
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: thing in.

692
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: The world on Twitter for me to do right now

693
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: is to just throw some red meat to the ov hose.

694
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I just throw I just I just I just bait them. Yeah,

695
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I'll throw a tweet out there and I'll just let

696
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: it go. You just watch it. Just it just it

697
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: just takes on a life of his own. It's like

698
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: these are real people, yeah, bro like and like these

699
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Drake fans, they're like their entire profiles dedicated to this day.

700
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna tweet me about not getting pussy

701
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: like you, I don't even know what you look like it's.

702
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: Crazy, bro, And then do you so do you know

703
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: anybody in real life that's like that?

704
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: No? So, No, Actually I have a friend about to

705
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: say I who has an Ovo tattoo and he'll and

706
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: I've been making fun of him for ten years. Yeah

707
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But now it was like, yeah, after DJ

708
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Yours truly, I'm like, bro, you got a fucking Ovo

709
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: owl on your shoulder. Fuck. But no, but there's people

710
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: with the song about say so.

711
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people like that, but

712
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: when you meet it when you when you were when

713
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: you are cool with somebody, and then it's like that,

714
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: it's like yo, bro, like it's just us here, like

715
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: we can talk like like you know what I'm saying,

716
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: Like we can have a conversation, you know what I mean. Like,

717
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: and that's on both sides, Like I know a couple

718
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: of people that's like that on drake'son and I know

719
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: you know of course, because I'm you know, I was

720
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: with TD. I know a lot of people like that

721
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: on on Dots and and it just makes like barbershop

722
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: talk not as fun no more.

723
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean I think if you're like if

724
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: it's like you're either mal or your me. Yeah. I mean, like,

725
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Drake, like obviously, Drake's one of

726
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: the greatest rabbers of all time, for sure, biggest hit

727
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: maker ever for sure without adult uh. I think that

728
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I've always been pretty critical Drake for sure over the

729
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: years that I've always there was always something holding me

730
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: back from like me putting him above like a few guys.

731
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, this Battle just kind of reconfirmed

732
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: all those feelings I had.

733
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why a lot of people

734
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: chose the side that they chose, is because people have

735
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: been having a certain perception or feeling about somebody and

736
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: then it's like, like you said, like the Battle highlighted

737
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: those things and so people felt I think that they

738
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: felt their emotions seen. And the biggest thing I think

739
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: that the biggest takeaway that I tell artists with the

740
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Battle is Jaco just releases his podcast series and he

741
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: he had he had a line from Dilated People that

742
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: he said he kind of lived his career by which

743
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: is worse come to worse my people first. And I

744
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: think that great record the Alchemists exactly, and I love

745
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: like I got relationships on on Drake's camp side as

746
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: far as like production, different things like that. But the

747
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: one thing that I do feel like as an artist

748
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: you could take from that situation is I think Drake

749
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: over the years could have done a better job taking

750
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: care of his people. Because to me, the difference in

751
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: the battle Dot one regardless. So even even to me

752
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: music wise, I think Dot put out the better records.

753
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: But I think the reason why it got as bad

754
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: as it got is because I think over the years

755
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: of just being such a big artist, I think Drake

756
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: did not take care of his core. So Drake might

757
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: have the bigger fan base like overall, but Dot has

758
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: the bigger core. And when you are in beefs, your

759
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: core is gonna be the one that's gonna like ride

760
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: and ignite the fire. And let's say Drake has ten

761
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: million fans and not only has five. Well, Dot has

762
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: four point five million core fans, and Drake might have

763
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: only had like one.

764
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like there's Drake fans that are Drake

765
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: fans just passively, That's what I mean. And it's like,

766
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like if you are a Drake fan,

767
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: you might not necessarily you know, most Death got some

768
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: hell because he said that Drake made great music to

769
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: shop at Target to Yeah, he was out of his mind.

770
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: It was hilarious. But like, but that's kind of like

771
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: true because there's a lot of people who might just

772
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: be shopping at Target. I got what comes on and

773
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I unders still but they but that

774
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: might be the only hip hop artist they listen to, right,

775
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, you have all these Kendrick fans

776
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: who have been like anointing him to be like, oh,

777
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: because he for for better or worse, like Kendrick is.

778
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: He's been you know, in my opinion, he's been top

779
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: five for the last like seven eight years. But somehow

780
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: he's also kind of underground for someone who's doing arena

781
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: you have the underground feel, yeah, for someone who's still

782
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: doing arenas and doing the Black Panther soundtrack and winning

783
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: all these Grammys and shit. But he's he's his art first.

784
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: He's found a way to keep his feel underground first.

785
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: So it's like if he does an entire album like

786
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Missing around the Big Steppers and it's about like therapy

787
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: and like looking in the mirror in like this crazy way,

788
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: and like most people don't get it, but the fans

789
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: who do get it are like, y'all know crazy this

790
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: shiite and this battle the way all these like like

791
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: YouTubers and TikTokers broke down every single little thing. Everybody

792
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: was like, this guy is surgical, and it's like, well,

793
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: he's always been he's always been away. Now it's just

794
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: you're just seeing him surgically like pick another human being.

795
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: A part and like even and and the fans are

796
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: having a reason to like spread it even more, you

797
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because because of the stage that

798
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: it's on.

799
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: Well, now it's like he's the I mean, this is

800
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: the I think this is the biggest run we've ever

801
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: seen an artist go on. He's got a hundred million

802
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: listeners on Spotify, which I mean before he two weeks

803
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: in a row. Last week he was the first rapper

804
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: to ever get ninety million listeners in a month. This

805
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: week is the first rapper to get a hundred million

806
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: listeners in a month. And then you know Drake, And

807
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: this is the thing about Drake is like Drake's just

808
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, alien level talented, right, But then he puts

809
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: out this party next Door album and it's a it

810
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: sounds like AI there's just no feeling in it. It's

811
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know. There's a couple of songs

812
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: give me a hug. I like, like, I like, I

813
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: like to know kill record, I like, give me a hug.

814
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I like a spider Man a Superman. I personally liked

815
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: the album because I know I knew coming out, like

816
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have felt like a bunch of throwaways from

817
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: like twenty thirteen.

818
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: That that's I mean, I don't I don't necessarily like agree,

819
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: but I can understand why you're saying that, if you

820
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I like it because I

821
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: knew what it was for, Like I knew before it

822
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: came out. I put it in the box of like

823
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: the Honesty never Mind, which I actually thought was no.

824
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I like honestly never Mind.

825
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was fire too, That's what I'm saying, Like,

826
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: so I put it in that box, and so I

827
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't come into the I didn't come into listening to it.

828
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: I think it's the worst Drakeout ever because I think honestly,

829
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: never Mind's better, and you think I think it's the

830
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: worst Drakeout member. And I think that's a problem when

831
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: you're Drake and you're like, yo, if you're gonna come

832
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: out with the slow jams on Valentine's Day, dog, you're

833
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: capable of making Marvin's room full, Like not, what have

834
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: you been doing the last eight months? Crying? I feel

835
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: that like you should be you. I was expecting, like, oh,

836
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: Drake's coming with like the hardest R and B shit

837
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: we've heard from him ever, because this is this is

838
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: his first release for real since See.

839
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: But do you feel like that is affecting the way

840
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: that you see the album though, because I didn't view

841
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: it and will do it twice, like I didn't view

842
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: it like this is going to be the hardest RB

843
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: you get.

844
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm staring on with my wife in the car, and

845
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: three songs in, she was like, this is new Drake.

846
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: This sucks Jesus Christ. And I was like night with

847
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: even dinner. I'm like, oh, the new Drake came out.

848
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: I was throwing on. She's like this is new. I'm like, yeah,

849
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: like my thoughts terrible, See and ship that's all the

850
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: other ship is. I tried, No, I give you listen

851
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: thing I want you.

852
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: I give you credit for putting it on because that's

853
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: like kind of like against you know what.

854
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean you've been. It's weird because I actually like, uh,

855
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: I enjoy a lot of Drake music over the years.

856
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: I was, of course, I just you know, for me,

857
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, man, it's just man, I

858
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: just feel dirty putting it on now. It's weird, even

859
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: though I love dude, like, nothing was the same as

860
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: a fucking and I always I always say this because

861
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: people will get on my head because I say Drake

862
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: doesn't have a consensus hip hop classic. And what I

863
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: mean by that is, if you put like a hundred

864
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: of like the top hip hop heads journalists in a room,

865
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: if you ain't getting ninety five percent of them, motherfuckers

866
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: to say that's a classic, it's not a classic like

867
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: a good Kid, Mad City or Dogy Style. Now. To me,

868
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: Drake's got like three classics to me. To me, I

869
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: got a me at four class I think the first mix, well,

870
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: not the first mixtape, the.

871
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: Well we count that I got him at five. If

872
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: we count so far gone.

873
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: So far gone, I got so far gone, I got

874
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: take Care and nothing was the same. I know a

875
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of people like the if you're reading this, it's

876
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: too late, that's a classic. To me, I just can't

877
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: get over the fact that I heard the fucking references.

878
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I can respect that one hundred percent. Yeah, I can

879
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: respect one hundred percent. But those are those are to

880
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: me the three that I'm like, Yo, Drake's so I'm like,

881
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm listen, I'm a hater, but uh, if I'm being honest,

882
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: like I love all three of those out. Yeah, Yeah,

883
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: for me, so Far Gone.

884
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Made me like, I think so that's about saying I

885
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: think so far Gone is the consensus classic that you

886
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: were talking about. I don't see you getting in the

887
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: room with hip hop has and them saying so far

888
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: gone is not a classic point. But for me, I

889
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: got so far gone to take care nothing was the

890
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: same I do have. If you're reading this, it's too late,

891
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: and I got the future joint what It's time to

892
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: be alive? For me, how I judge classics is different though.

893
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: I judge it where if you can just put it

894
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: on and let it play and not have to press skip,

895
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean that there's no song you don't like.

896
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: It just means that you never get to a point

897
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: to where you feel obbly.

898
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, what It's time to be alive? Had that was

899
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: crazy it was actually and so I judge it off

900
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: of that.

901
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: I judge it off for impact, which is why I

902
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: always say now like there's no such thing as like

903
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: there's gonna be no new artists that can put out

904
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: classics anymore because of impact, because there's it's the game

905
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: is so convoluted that unless you're like a huge, huge

906
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: artist or about to be huge, I think it's really

907
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: hard to put out an impact Like I think, don't

908
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: she put out I think, don't she put out a classic?

909
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like, you have to have that level

910
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: of impact. So if you're you know, an artist that

911
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: just can't make an impact in that way, it doesn't

912
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: matter how good the music is, it's gonna be.

913
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's hard, man, because at the end

914
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: of the day, like you said, there's just so much,

915
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: just so much shit. And it's not even just music.

916
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's almost like movies, it's podcast

917
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: it's it's everything, you know what I mean. Like Shannon

918
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: Sharp was having sex on the internet that lasted for

919
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: two days, Like when when it wasn't so much shit

920
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: going on, we would have been talking about that for weeks.

921
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: You talked about that for maybe thirty six hours. We're

922
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: in this like a weird media space where the streamers,

923
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, like a kid like Aiden Ross, like people

924
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: like his opinion on hip hop, people reachmatter matter, He's

925
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: not to know anything about hip hop.

926
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: I love Kay Sannatt to death. I think everything kys

927
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: Sanata is doing is fucking phenomenal. But even the fact

928
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: he's obviously not a hip hop head. That's what I

929
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: was gonna say, obvious, the fact that you have people

930
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: dropping hip hop albums and feel like they are obligated

931
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: to stop at Kay sannat spot which and he's dope,

932
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: and you know, Kyle, I love Speed. I think I

933
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: think the one is is fucking phenomenal in there. I

934
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: think their visionaries, especially to be so young. But like

935
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: you said, it's I and he don't even try to

936
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: act like he's a hip hop He no. And that's

937
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I love Kay is because Kay's

938
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: and I don't try to be nothing that he's not.

939
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: He don't give he don't give a fuck like they're

940
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: killing them right now because of what he said about Die,

941
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: But he genuinely don't give a fuck, And that's what

942
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: I love about him. He's just authentically Kai all the time.

943
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: But I say this to say, you got you know

944
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: people that are thirty three, thirty four feeling like obligated

945
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: that they got to stop there and spend a night

946
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: to get their album to sell. You get what I'm saying,

947
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: like for real, Like and it's like to me, that's

948
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: the part of the game that like, I just I

949
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: just hate that we're at now, is that nobody's doing anything,

950
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Like nobody's doing shit because they love it anymore. Everybody's

951
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: treating it like a fucking job. And that's what I hate.

952
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: Like you don't see big rappers sitting down with keVs

953
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: or Charlemagne's or whoever. That like people that actually love rapping.

954
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: They're just going to wherever they think makes sense for

955
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: that album.

956
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: That's all. Like a lot of artists now, if they're

957
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: a certain level, they're just gonna go do kaisonat that's it.

958
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: That's it, bro. Like Nicki Minaj, the only piece of

959
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: media she did, she went and spent the night with

960
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Kayson And it's like, bro, like like I don't love

961
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: you spend the night.

962
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't think she spend the night, but like with

963
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: like I love Nikki to dead.

964
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: But with all due respect, why the fuck is Nicki

965
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: Minaj spending like or it's like popular, No, no, it's

966
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: like it's okay to do that, but it's like also

967
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: do jothing where we just have a music conversation about

968
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: like I don't.

969
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: Know, just but see, I'm gonna take it a step further.

970
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think that she should

971
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: do that. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't

972
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: think she should do that because Nikki. To me, I

973
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: have Nikki as the best and biggest female rapper ever.

974
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: It's not even a debate.

975
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I agree.

976
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: So you are big enough to where like whatever the

977
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: fuck you do is it? And that is one thing

978
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: that I do I have always like liked about Drake

979
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: is that, like, like Drake did on the radar, on

980
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: the I became a spot.

981
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

982
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: Like to me, it's like when you're in that spot,

983
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: like do groundbreaking ship because you are the wave.

984
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: Like. But then the other thing dra will do is

985
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: he'll he'll, he'll, he won't go do it because this

986
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that as much as I don't agree

987
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: with academics. And you know, academics has invited me to

988
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: suck his dick on his stream. Wild guy. Uh. We

989
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: we got on the phone though, We're fine, but I'm like, yo, Drake,

990
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: go do academic ship. Why are you doing these random

991
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: little Canadian white dudes and the gambling on stream like

992
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: this is no? I agree with he as fuck I

993
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I and I and I agree. I feel like that's

994
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: what I may know is like to me, go do

995
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: Moriam mall Bro go do Rory and.

996
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: It no.

997
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean is like that's fire. Like

998
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was dope that Dot just sat down

999
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: with Ebro Like to me, it's like that was a

1000
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: part of.

1001
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: The super Bowl and it was one of super Bowl.

1002
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: But I'm like, don't sit with.

1003
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: Is that like bro like to me? Like, and so

1004
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, Like, this is not like a biasing.

1005
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: This is not like a pick sized thing. To me,

1006
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: hip hop is in the space that is in because

1007
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: people pick features off of clicks and what's gonna benefit them.

1008
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: They pick interview, they pick everything based off of what

1009
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: makes sense for the algorithm and not what makes sense

1010
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: for the culture. And that's why the culture keeps dying,

1011
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Like regardless of where this beef is. It's like hip

1012
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: hop is not in the best space that it's it's

1013
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: not in the best space because people do that. So

1014
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: like you'll get a big artist that it might make

1015
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: sense for them to work with a boogie, but Boogie's

1016
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: maybe not hot enough, so they go work with a

1017
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: nigga that they don't even know his catalog, but somebody

1018
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: told him, like, yo, go look at this artist. He

1019
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: going crazy, and so they go work with him instead

1020
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: of doing that when it's like you're not at that point,

1021
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: you're not feeding the ecosystem. We don't feed the ecosystem enough.

1022
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Like we need to keep our media that is in

1023
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: the world that we love, that really cares about this world.

1024
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: We need to keep them as the hottest media.

1025
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: How do you do that? Pull up? You get what

1026
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1027
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 2: If Nikki pulls up you know to I don't fucking

1028
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 2: know name whoever is a person?

1029
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: And that I was about Q. Yeah, Q going and

1030
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: doing background FIG was dope to me.

1031
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: That was fire Like that was fire, bro Like, like

1032
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: go do back on FIG because that is like the

1033
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: people that fuck with you know what I mean?

1034
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Like, what what you represent?

1035
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: That's the ecosystem you should be feeding and like when

1036
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: you're a bigger like, I understand it for up andcoming

1037
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: artists because you just trying to.

1038
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Get whatever like you can get.

1039
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: But if you are like Nikki, you Nikki, you can

1040
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: go sit down with a nigga that we ain't never

1041
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: heard of before and they're gonna be the biggest thing

1042
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: because you're gonna bring a bunch of abauty.

1043
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: The other thing too, though, is a lot of artists

1044
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: now like they just go straight to fans. They'd rather

1045
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: just go on Instagram live. Like, for sure, Cardi B

1046
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: be fucked up on Instagram line titty out, for sure.

1047
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: I've seen Cardi B's aeral on and meat a lot lately.

1048
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: But it's it's like anything you need to know about

1049
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: her and her fucking just go straight to the fils

1050
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: bro for better everything that's happening with her and offset. Yeah,

1051
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: that's that's a fact. But of course you could go

1052
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: sit down in an interview and they ask, so what's

1053
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: going on with you? Went off? Just go watch my

1054
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: drunk live from three nights ago? Do you know exactly

1055
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened? But we had sex six hours

1056
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: ago and now I hate them, but I also fuck

1057
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: with that because that's feet that's feeding her ecosystem. For sure,

1058
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's that's what I mean. Yeah, And then

1059
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: the other on the other side, it's like, unfortunately, with

1060
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: the streaming and like some of this ship like artists

1061
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: have also adopted what they call in the streaming world

1062
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: clip farming, like the clip farming uh model where you're

1063
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I'm rolling out the album. What are

1064
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: like three or four moments I can create.

1065
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: Exactly that is just gonna get clipped and then we're

1066
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: gonna send it to all of the pages and they're

1067
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: gonna post and so yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

1068
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: We'll see I mean, I like I saw. I think,

1069
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: like the one thing with the Kendrick thing and like

1070
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Dochi winning Best New Artists or I'm sorry best hip

1071
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: Hop Album she got wrong for Best New Artists? Who

1072
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: listens to Chappelle Room, Yeah, I didn't even know who

1073
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: that was anyway, But I think it's like promising we'll

1074
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: see you know, we'll see man. But yeah, I'm I'm hopeful.

1075
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, the ecosystem of media is it's just becoming

1076
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot, dude. Bro.

1077
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: The ecosystem of media.

1078
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not even hating on anything. I love, Like

1079
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: you said, I love speed, but there's always like the

1080
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: Playboy Max guy. I feel like he just popped up

1081
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: like a month ago. Yeah he did, he did, and

1082
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: he's lit now, but I didn't know the fuck he

1083
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: was like forty five days. And to me, I don't

1084
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with it.

1085
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: I just think that like that ecosystem should exist over

1086
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: there because it's the thing.

1087
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: They feed their ecosystem.

1088
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: Like Kai puts on a bunch of streamers, he's just

1089
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: talking about the stream university that he wants to do doc.

1090
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: That's something he's a visionary. But I'm like, they feed

1091
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: their ecosystem. The issue with us is that we don't

1092
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: feed our ecosystem like our goats or our idols and

1093
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: shit like that. They don't go sit down and feed

1094
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: the ecosystem. They don't do records with up and coming artists.

1095
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: That you'll have an artist, they'll have artists A who

1096
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: praised them so much that when you listen to artists

1097
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: as music, you can hear it in their music how

1098
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: much they are influenced by this artist. And then they

1099
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: have artists B that kind of likes them, but they

1100
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: hot and they popping, and then they'll just go do

1101
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: a feature with artists B, which is like, that's cool

1102
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: and it's gonna help you, but it's not gonna help

1103
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: the ecosystem because if you do it with artists A,

1104
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna get bigger and then they're going to a

1105
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: praise you for doing that and putting them in a

1106
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: bigger light. But then also be they're gonna then feed

1107
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: the ecosystem because now they're bigger, so now they can

1108
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 2: do bigger features with other people.

1109
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, I think back to the

1110
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Drake rap Ratear interview a few years ago, and I

1111
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: think like it would be if if artists of that

1112
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: caliber every few years just did one of those sit downs,

1113
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily just with with someone who.

1114
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: Wants aware of just pick one, like literally, if you

1115
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: could put them in dice and roll the fucking dice out, sure,

1116
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: and just just pick one, bro, and it'll keep our

1117
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like ecosystem in that space.

1118
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: Random J Cole stepping out probably best decision ever, right one.

1119
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: When you talk you talk about visionaries, visionary he said,

1120
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

1121
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: Hey, man, everybody knows knows this. That's the reason fan

1122
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm a diehard cold fan. That is my goat,

1123
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: like on a Big three. I was hot when I

1124
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: figured it when I heard it while I was on stage. Actually,

1125
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: I was on stage and I talked to about the

1126
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: crowd a lot while I'm performing, and somebody in the

1127
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: crowd told me like J Cole just apologized because I

1128
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: made a joke about the beef. And right when I

1129
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: got off stage, I looked a him like, oh my god,

1130
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: my heart was hurt. But hindsight you talk about you

1131
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 2: talk about twenty twenty.

1132
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I saw a punch. I saw punch maybe like three

1133
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: or four days before that, and I was like, hey,

1134
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: this before push ups came out. Yeah yeah. I was like, hey, Drake, Drake,

1135
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: don't want to smoke it. Cold cool, cold, Yeah, he's

1136
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: one of the cold. That would have been a fire

1137
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: battle though, that would have been man. I'm like I

1138
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: told him, I said, hey, but dude, dream Dreamville Fast

1139
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: is coming, Like there's a lot of like Q was

1140
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: on it, sisor was on it. I was like, yeah,

1141
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: what's gonna happened? Like this is weird, you know, And dude,

1142
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1143
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: I genuinely think dot what's supposed to be at that

1144
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: Dreamville fest. I genuinely believe that.

1145
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad man, because you know, there's there's this, uh

1146
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: version of a Kendrick and Cole album that was started

1147
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: that will never hear, you know, but those two guys

1148
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: to me are always like you know for sure guys

1149
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: you know yeah, uh, any idea when your mixtape is

1150
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: going to you said before the end of the year.

1151
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: No, So this mixtape is dropping on the twenty eighth.

1152
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: So the album, yeah, the album my bad album I'm

1153
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: aiming for I'm aiming for third quarter. I just I'm

1154
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: kind of like, kind of tired of all of my

1155
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: projects are dropped in third quarter, and then when we

1156
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: tore porches it was like freezing cold for sure, and

1157
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: so I kind of I want to drop third quarter,

1158
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: but I also kind of like maybe I should wait

1159
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: till fourth That way I can tour it like maybe

1160
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: like March aprilish and it won't be as cold, so

1161
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: it'll probably end up like leaning towards fourth quarter.

1162
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Who's who also on the tape besides obviously who we've seen.

1163
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: On the the mixtape twenty eighth. Uh, this dope up

1164
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: and coming artist Ben Riley. I want to say he's

1165
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: freestyle on my fire fire bro like, yeah, fire, shout

1166
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: out to the group chat. We got a group chat

1167
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: with U, and I apologize if I miss anybody but

1168
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 2: me Ben Riley, Deonte Hitchcock Bro. This group chat is

1169
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: so fucking fire bro Seeddi Hendricks Like, It's just a

1170
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of fire niggas in the group chat.

1171
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: So that's how I met Ben.

1172
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: But Ben, we got a record that we we flipped

1173
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: We Made You sample by Kanye Kanye super Fire, and

1174
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: he does have a better verse of me. I'm gonna

1175
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: just put that out there. He's super super crazy. So

1176
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Ben Riley, of course, you know the Coyotes Ransom by

1177
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: hit Boy got a verse. It's funny because people saw

1178
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: it and they thought it was production. But I've been

1179
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: a big hit Boy rap fan for a long time,

1180
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: So shout out to him and Surf Club.

1181
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: He's on there.

1182
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm coded the friend and coded the

1183
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: friends on there.

1184
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on.

1185
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Actually, my favorite song on the project I have been

1186
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: for the last month. Happened because I've been too busy.

1187
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: But that's been like you know, my love. We just

1188
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: want our championship, the adult league championship. So I take

1189
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: that very seriously. And I got most improved because the

1190
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: first season I was so bad and coming off of

1191
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: just being drunk all the time. At the second season,

1192
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: I had nowhere to go but up. So you played.

1193
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: I played in college the racist college coach. Ever find

1194
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: out that you clowned him, I don't know.

1195
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: So many people putting shit together. Bro, they put it

1196
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: together too, they like I saw, like they found it.

1197
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: This is the coach.

1198
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: They got it, Bro, they found it. But I don't

1199
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: know if he ever did because I never talked to him.

1200
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: But my assistant coach did hit me and was like, Bro,

1201
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: you're crazy for saying that. But I understand, but I

1202
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: understand why you did it.

1203
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: He was like, bro, like that.

1204
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: He was like, the way you were treated over there

1205
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: was fucking nasty. So yeah, excited about Luca. It's super

1206
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: excited about Luca. I hated losing Anthony Davis though, I

1207
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 2: will say that, And then he got injured his first

1208
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: game with the Mavericke and I was like, God, I'm like, bro,

1209
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. Like I was talking

1210
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: to the hommies that they hated the trade, because you know,

1211
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: Laker fans, we fall in love with players that.

1212
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: We really love. You knew Laker fans that hated the trade.

1213
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: I do.

1214
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: I did know Laker fans, which is crazy because it

1215
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: was a thing where it was like Ad was carrying

1216
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: us this season. So it wasn't so much that they

1217
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: hated the trade. They just hated to see a d go.

1218
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: But I told him, like, bro, like it is what

1219
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: it is, like you know what I mean. Like, but

1220
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: but I will say this, like the MAVs were right

1221
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: in the standpoint of like, look, I got to lose

1222
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: some weight, bro, that shit. When I saw him run

1223
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: up and down the court, I'm like, come on, yeah,

1224
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: but like, but he'll be fine though.

1225
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Like that took him to the finals. You should never know.

1226
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: This is the thing.

1227
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: They were right in saying that he was fat. But

1228
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: that's not a good enough reason to trade thirty eight.

1229
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: That guy is not enough reason to trade it.

1230
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Fat. He could be fat, Yeah, fat guy. Whoever that

1231
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: guy is, Nick, Nico Richards or whatever. Nick, he's fired.

1232
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be here long. Bro. I can promise

1233
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: you I'm glad. I'm not a Mavericks fan. I'm a

1234
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Sun's fan. I'm tortured, But if that would have happened,

1235
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: I might have been in that. I would you know,

1236
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: they say he's getting death threats, I would have been

1237
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: in those threats.

1238
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Honestly, the fans is better than me because to me,

1239
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: as a fan base, you supposed to boycott games until

1240
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: they fire.

1241
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: I would have you supposed to boycott. You're supposed to

1242
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: be outside the arena.

1243
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: You're supposed to hit them they where they hurt, in

1244
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: they pockets and buy no tickets. Was gone just quiet?

1245
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 2: It should have been quiet. Like when I saw the game,

1246
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: I saw many people was there. I was like, oh, y'all,

1247
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: y'all not serious about this ship. If they would have

1248
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: traded Kobe Nigga, if they would have traded Kobe, it

1249
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been nobody in that Kobe.

1250
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: It's like if they would have traded Kobe when he

1251
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: was thirty seven, maybe you'd have been like, yeah, but

1252
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: if you if traded created Kobe number eight bro after

1253
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: he took after he took his team to the finals,

1254
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: like you trade that Kobe, Bro, the Steple Center would

1255
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: have been dry outside. It would have been cracking riot. Yeah,

1256
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: they would have sad some cars on one percent. So

1257
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm like the mass fan.

1258
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: They clearly don't take their team serious enough because trading Luca,

1259
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: y'all supposed to be you're supposed to be demanding Nico's

1260
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: head on a stake.

1261
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: Yo. Once Luga got traded, I started just wrapping my

1262
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: head around, like damn, I guess they could trade Booker

1263
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: if Luca got traded, Like, bro, anybody, Nobody's off limits

1264
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: at this point. Like I'm like, bro, like the Wolves

1265
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: could trade a you know a. Like it's like what

1266
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: you're being saying, but you're being said, Yeah, anyway, Well listen,

1267
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: I think the only person who's probably untradeable for real,

1268
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: it's two people Wenby. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

1269
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

1270
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: No, I agree with that whole heartedly. Yeah Wemby, you

1271
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 2: trade Wenby? You you must have cancer and the doctor

1272
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: told you have four must live, So you was just

1273
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: trying to like make a splash before you you get

1274
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, before you kick the bucket or something.

1275
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: All good man. So the mixtapes dropping on the twenty eighth,

1276
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah mixtape dropping on twenty eighth, Go Support, Go Support,

1277
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: please please be on the lookout.

1278
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: Me and COS will be following up pretty soon after that.

1279
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: Like it won't be a large yeah, it won't be

1280
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: a large gap. It'll be like, yeah, probably we'll probably

1281
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: start rolling out, probably start rolling out around Dreamville Fest. Fire,

1282
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: So it'll be soon dream Belfest like first week and

1283
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: that's the last one, right, yes.

1284
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: That's the last one. That is the last one.

1285
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: So this should be a very very fun and interesting

1286
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: Dreamville Fest. I hope cold drop song like I just

1287
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: want a Cold album, like a real album at this.

1288
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Unfortunately it's crazy because my deleat this

1289
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: later like kind of got Lost in the Sauce last year,

1290
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: is such a great body. He worked out that brought.

1291
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: I revisited it the other day and I'm like, this

1292
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: is a really good project, bro, like a really and

1293
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, yeah it is. Everything got lost in the

1294
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: sauce stow with the beef. The beef, just the beef

1295
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: just was a tidal way to everything here it is.

1296
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Speaker 1: Man, Well, I appreciate you pulling up reason my guy,

1297
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, appreciate it.

1298
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Speaker 4: Fire