Speaker 1: On this episode of this League. It's the conference finals.
Speaker 1: We're here.
Speaker 2: They are electric for very very different reasons. Out in
Speaker 2: the West, the Suns are rolling, and in the East
Speaker 2: the Hawks are for real, for real, like for really,
Speaker 2: really very real. We also look around the league and
Speaker 2: find that Alex Cruz, so the Goat, has been arrested,
Speaker 2: Kyle Kuzma has might be on the move, and the
Speaker 2: Pacers and the Celtics have brand new coaches. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna dig into all that. But beforehand, let's drop the beat.
Speaker 3: Take care and you'll be waiting. Plan of the plan,
Speaker 3: and let me go. When we reach the.
Speaker 2: Conference finals, are here, we could not have three better games, Marty.
Speaker 1: To start things off, Let's start in the West, where
Speaker 1: Marty's Phoenix Sun have won their.
Speaker 4: Ninth ninth in a row, pretend.
Speaker 1: Consecutive game in the row.
Speaker 2: Tonight, I will have Phoenix minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: I don't want to mush it, but I feel like
Speaker 2: that's a lock. With Chris Paul coming back.
Speaker 4: I like it it's a bet on Monty Williams basically
Speaker 4: because this is a classic letdown spot, especially with CP
Speaker 4: coming back, and there may be problems and there's of
Speaker 4: course the factor that the Clippers have come back from
Speaker 4: two h twice already in the playoffs. But just Monty's
Speaker 4: been great at this all year. I've I can't bet
Speaker 4: on it because I don't. I just can't bring myself
Speaker 4: to bet a Sun's playoff game. But I like, I
Speaker 4: like Suns today, so do I.
Speaker 2: It is like the entire first round was trash, and
Speaker 2: then we all all of a sudden in the second round,
Speaker 2: and now in the conference finals just have like really
Speaker 2: really really exciting basketball. Like the first round was awful
Speaker 2: and now it's it's amazing hoops, like amazing hoops.
Speaker 1: Suns. Clippers had pretty much every single thing you could
Speaker 1: want in a game.
Speaker 2: Tight back and forth, lots of fireworks, bodies on the floor, bodies,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, George, Paul George reverting to Paul George for
Speaker 2: I mean, DeAndre Ayton emerges as a superstar. Both those
Speaker 2: two things together for me great. I like paulge I'm
Speaker 2: so bad. I like Paul George failing.
Speaker 1: I think it's more fun for.
Speaker 2: The league when Paul George fails in when he succeeds,
Speaker 2: it's just more funny.
Speaker 4: It was very It was very funny. Playing well in
Speaker 4: the series. That's the other funny part.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for comedy. Paul George missing two free
Speaker 1: throws down the stretch, it's funny. It is. It is.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, there you are, we found you.
Speaker 4: I mean, if he just made one, they would.
Speaker 1: Have gone O T. Yeah, it would have gone out T.
Speaker 2: It's like when that chick in Wedding Crashers is like,
Speaker 2: I'll find you. And then of course we get the
Speaker 2: pass earlier in the in the season, earlier in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and now we have the Valley oop. All right, so
Speaker 2: let's kind of go into it first. I want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts all the way through this. This like
Speaker 2: sort of sequence. Final ninety seconds of Game two took
Speaker 2: thirty three minutes of real time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if you could quite call it
Speaker 4: a sequence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The last nine point two seconds took twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2: So if you're a casual NBA fan, you're like, this
Speaker 2: is fucking awful, Like what am I doing here? It's late,
Speaker 2: this is in the West Coast, Like what is happening?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you're a casual, you're tuning out in two.
Speaker 2: Seconds, two seconds, five buckets five reviews.
Speaker 1: Also, Scott Foster, if you're are you do you believe me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Do you believe me? Are you starting to come around?
Speaker 1: To my point?
Speaker 4: I was never against the idea that Scott Foster's trash, He's.
Speaker 1: Up to some tomfoolery.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the only thing for sure I can
Speaker 2: say is that when you see Scott Foster is refereeing
Speaker 2: a basketball game in the playoffs, bet the under. Just
Speaker 2: bet the under every single time, and max bet the
Speaker 2: under because it's that certain. It's not a hot take
Speaker 2: to say that it appears that the refs did everything
Speaker 2: that they could to get the Clippers to win that game,
Speaker 2: because that's how it felt to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a Sun's fan like you.
Speaker 4: Uh, it seemed a little like that. But the funny
Speaker 4: thing is, like everyone, everyone who's a Clippers fan and
Speaker 4: Clippers Twitter all are convinced that it was all come
Speaker 4: on for the Suns to win. And I just, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I just I don't know. Some of the calls like
Speaker 4: that that Booker offensive foul, that it was a little
Speaker 4: weird they stopped the play.
Speaker 2: First of all, Devin Booker had three offensive fouls. They
Speaker 2: should have been zero.
Speaker 4: The one I actually sort of agreed with at the
Speaker 4: very end, the one that we're talking about was being reviewed,
Speaker 4: but it was weird one. Yeah, but it was weird
Speaker 4: that they like stopped the play without even calling a
Speaker 4: foul and all that. Yeah, it was just strange. And
Speaker 4: then that out of bounds call on Pat Beverly. They
Speaker 4: actually called a similar thing. I think it involved Pat
Speaker 4: Beverly against Lebron on Christmas this year, where it's just okay,
Speaker 4: he it may have gone off his booker's fingers, but
Speaker 4: like Beverly hit it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should change that rule.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to refresh the cospiracy theories again
Speaker 2: about like how Chris Paul zero for eleven in his
Speaker 2: last games. That Foster is refed in the playoffs and
Speaker 2: suspiciously wasn't playing in games one in game two, but
Speaker 2: the Lee is doing itself zero favors when they put
Speaker 2: Scott Foster in these situations, because like they always seem
Speaker 2: to be suspicious and they always seem to have them
Speaker 2: attached to them, and the league just needs to say, listen, Scott,
Speaker 2: like we love you in all, but you can't be
Speaker 2: a part of these games.
Speaker 1: You just can't because.
Speaker 4: If I suck at my job here, I'm gonna get fired, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And like if you have come up short in huge
Speaker 2: moments to the point where you have tarnished the league
Speaker 2: or tarnished this company as a result of your performance,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna put you in the biggest moments in
Speaker 2: the brightest spots, like fuck, no, you're gonna go over
Speaker 2: there to whatever, like cut some random snapchat stories like okay,
Speaker 2: it felt like one hundred percent this was steal it
Speaker 2: before CP three gets back.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, first.
Speaker 1: Long reviews, overturn of calls, but.
Speaker 2: So that over that review or that that overturning like
Speaker 2: you said, where Pat Beverley hit it off of Devin
Speaker 2: Booker and then all of a sudden, now instead of
Speaker 2: the Sons having the ball, Clippers have the ball.
Speaker 1: They're up one with eight point second eight point two
Speaker 1: seconds left, Paul George is on the free throw line.
Speaker 2: PG had just hit along three with twenty two seconds left,
Speaker 2: ninety free throw shooter, Son's ice cold.
Speaker 1: Right at that moment, I texted Marty right row. It
Speaker 1: was something to.
Speaker 2: That effect like oh no, this is so bad, or
Speaker 2: like wow, and Marty's response was the most confident, almost
Speaker 2: like I thought you were minutes ahead of me. Like
Speaker 2: I was like, am I on really bad delay? Because
Speaker 2: you were like, We're still going to win?
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And it was just like, oh, okay, I.
Speaker 4: Just had a weird feeling. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: know what it is about it. I mean, I also
Speaker 4: stay remarkably optimistic throughout the course of a game, so
Speaker 4: I'm the it's probably not but yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm the exact opposite. And of course all I wanted
Speaker 1: to say is like you are tripping tripping, you know.
Speaker 2: But I was like, you know what, positive vibes only
Speaker 2: for Marty, Like I'm a pseudo Suns fan.
Speaker 1: Now the Blazers are out positive vibes only.
Speaker 2: And then Paul Clifton George missed them fucking both badly,
Speaker 2: too badly.
Speaker 1: When you saw that, what were you thinking?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: I mean, I was just going nuts to the fact
Speaker 4: that he missed, but like I was just praying for
Speaker 4: Obviously in that situation, you just wanted to miss one.
Speaker 4: You don't even get to the point in your head
Speaker 4: where you're thinking missed too. And then when he did,
Speaker 4: I'm just then it's like okay, like we're a Devin
Speaker 4: Booker jump shot away from winning now, like okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean to me, it was like, oh no, PG.
Speaker 2: Worst case scenario for pg sons get the ball, plenty
Speaker 2: of time, they get to call time out, set up
Speaker 2: a play, get a sas snazzy two pass sequence to
Speaker 2: mchel Bridges for an open corner three and.
Speaker 1: Then clink and then all of a sudden, now there
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 4: Another out of bound, another out of bounds call, which
Speaker 4: I was worried about this one.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm like, what's gonna happen with this?
Speaker 2: Is it gonna just be nothing? And now Mannie Williams
Speaker 2: has a chance to just call something up point nine seconds,
Speaker 2: we know the ball is going to eight, and that's
Speaker 2: the only thing that can happen. Is I was thinking,
Speaker 2: no way that Devin Booker has enough time to get
Speaker 2: a jumper, and you know that they're gonna probably swarm him.
Speaker 2: So Devin Booker is the decoy, that's the screen that
Speaker 2: he sets on Zulac like a grown ass man making
Speaker 2: Zubac his bitch, which people thought was like illegal. I
Speaker 2: think to a degree they thought there was something up
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 4: People thought that ate and like tugged his jersey a
Speaker 4: little bit, which that happens every single place, every single time.
Speaker 1: And then Jay Crowder.
Speaker 2: With the Pass of the Century over DeMarcus Cousins at
Speaker 2: an angle, at a weird spot on the floor, like
Speaker 2: almost impossible.
Speaker 4: It was like that far from the backboard, like the
Speaker 4: window that he had to fit that in was so.
Speaker 2: Small tight, And for DeAndre Ayten then to go up
Speaker 2: Alipa Don't took point two seconds fucking insane.
Speaker 4: That was the most cathartic sports watching moment I think
Speaker 4: I've ever had, because I mean I've talked about it before,
Speaker 4: but I mean we drafted him three years ago over Luca.
Speaker 4: It's been highly criticized. He's been highly criticized for it.
Speaker 4: The big things that we get on him for is
Speaker 4: that he's not aggressive, he doesn't dunk, he's not he
Speaker 4: doesn't assert himself in big moments. And then he just
Speaker 4: it was like three years of just basketball, like existential,
Speaker 4: just dread like left my body in one instance, it
Speaker 4: was it was complete, it was it was completely for you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I just said out loud like you were
Speaker 4: the right pick, like and it felt really fucking good and.
Speaker 1: It's like this.
Speaker 2: This is the reason, And truthfully, the Phoenix Suns would
Speaker 2: be in a very different spot if they didn't have
Speaker 2: a big man like DeAndre eight in this offense would
Speaker 2: not run the same. We talk about Michel Bridges being
Speaker 2: a massively undervalued trade, amazing trade, but DeAndre Ayton at
Speaker 2: number one, finally coming to fruition in a way where.
Speaker 1: These other guys are besides Trey.
Speaker 2: Like Luca's not in the playoffs anymore, and you don't
Speaker 2: need another guard you had Devin Booker.
Speaker 1: It was the right pick.
Speaker 2: Takes centers a long time to develop, and holy shit,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you he's gonna be a top three big,
Speaker 2: especially two way big seventy percent from from field goal
Speaker 2: or field goal percentage all the way through the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't put some respect on his name.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think there's an argument that he's the second best,
Speaker 4: like pure five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who's number one in your mind? Embeied, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Embid yeah, absolutely, But.
Speaker 4: Well A Jokic is there? Never mind, I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to approach that, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say he's top three, and I would say
Speaker 2: at some point, depending on yoga or MB's health. He
Speaker 2: might end up being two very soon, like in the
Speaker 2: next three to five years. And now we get tonight
Speaker 2: or yeah, yesterday, depending on how you want to look
Speaker 2: at it, because the episode is coming out tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: We've got masked Booker tonight, ye, which Kobe was masked,
Speaker 2: Bron was masked, Kawhi was masked.
Speaker 1: I am very much looking.
Speaker 2: Forward to Kobe reignited to another level with a mask on.
Speaker 1: I hope it's purple. I hope it's fucking purple.
Speaker 4: Didn't they get mad at Lebron for wearing a black
Speaker 4: one though a few years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but somebody else did too, I think Kawhi somebody else.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's weird. I want it to be purple, yeah,
Speaker 4: or like.
Speaker 2: Purple and yellow or gold or whatever. Yeah, Sons keep rising.
Speaker 2: I am here for it. I have Sons winning by
Speaker 2: seven tonight. You know, because of all the free throwes
Speaker 2: and shit, man, the Hawks had to have been one
Speaker 2: of the most slept on teams coming into this game.
Speaker 2: They were eight and a half points underdogs at the
Speaker 2: opening line. I mean when you saw that, were you feasting, Marty?
Speaker 2: I was feasting a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Milwaukee is.
Speaker 2: Great at home, as we know, but Atlanta has won
Speaker 2: two consecutive first games in the playoffs so far, and
Speaker 2: Trey Young is his confidence is only rising.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: When I saw it at eight and a half, I
Speaker 4: was just like, who's making it?
Speaker 5: It was?
Speaker 2: It was Lock, it was Locke City. I had eight
Speaker 2: and a half, and then I had the money line.
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel it was so good about this.
Speaker 2: I feel really really good about eight and a half. Well,
Speaker 2: I feel really really good about the moneyline, and I
Speaker 2: feel like this is a no brainer situation.
Speaker 4: At eight and a half, I took eight and a
Speaker 4: half and I took John Collins over twenty four and
Speaker 4: a half points, rebounds, assist, and that was over quickly
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Trey Young what a day.
Speaker 2: Bucks opened at minus five hundred to advance to the finals.
Speaker 2: I think the main thing, because I don't want to
Speaker 2: break everything down, but like the main point or main
Speaker 2: moment that stuck out to me was that shimmy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Trey Young just absolutely cooking everyone cooking Drew, and I
Speaker 2: know what that was.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 2: It was like Drew trying to cheat over the screen
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he crossed his back,
Speaker 2: so disrespectful, But why the fuck so much time? He
Speaker 2: had seconds of time to just stand there, shimmey it off,
Speaker 2: shake off the rust and shoot it three. What are
Speaker 2: these dudes doing? Why are they not coming up to
Speaker 2: defend Trey Young?
Speaker 4: He should not have had time to do that and
Speaker 4: get the shot off clean.
Speaker 2: Joannis apparently pissed. He said he got all his team
Speaker 2: at a dead ball and was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Like we're supposed to be shutting this tray young guy down.
Speaker 2: He has forty eight points on us, Like he's not
Speaker 2: only shooting threes, and he was cold. I had a
Speaker 2: lot of like I think he was what three four
Speaker 2: for thirteen from three, so he wasn't even fantastic, but
Speaker 2: he was getting floaters. He was doing all kinds of shit,
Speaker 2: and they gave him anything he wanted. If he had
Speaker 2: two more threes, his games blowout, like Hawk shot twenty
Speaker 2: five from three, missing open looks everywhere.
Speaker 1: No way they continue to do that, right, like they're
Speaker 1: gonna get hot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not gonna yeah, you know, they're not going
Speaker 4: to continue to shoot that low. He was bricking a
Speaker 4: lot of thirty footers though he was just weird. I
Speaker 4: mean like like he obviously had forty eighty, had a
Speaker 4: great game. We're not gonna take away from it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, Bogdanovich one for six, Kevon Herder one
Speaker 2: for one for six from three as well. I also
Speaker 2: have a new conspiracy I'd like to talk about. Okay,
Speaker 2: finn Serve Arena, what's going on there? Have you noticed
Speaker 2: that there's something on the rims where uh, the visiting
Speaker 2: visiting team.
Speaker 1: Just seems to have a hard time making threes?
Speaker 2: Like have you?
Speaker 1: I would have to look at stats. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a bad don't don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I've got you teams with the plethoram of sharpshooters, Nets,
Speaker 2: Hawks heat, all ice cold in Milwaukee, open looks, clink, clink,
Speaker 2: not even getting highly defended where the c is getting
Speaker 2: into it. Nets shot twenty eight percent in Milwaukee from three,
Speaker 2: Hawk shot twenty five percent last night from three, Brooklyn
Speaker 2: forty percent from three all year, Atlanta thirty seven percent
Speaker 2: from three all year. Net shot better than their season
Speaker 2: average at home against the Bucks and the playoffs at
Speaker 2: forty one percent.
Speaker 1: So this is not a defense thing. This is a
Speaker 1: finn Serve Arena thing.
Speaker 2: This is like when you go to March Madness, right
Speaker 2: and it's like the Elite eight Final four and they
Speaker 2: have it inside of like a football stadium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the optics of it all are.
Speaker 2: Fucked up, perception changes and you're like sunking in and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you have a hard time making threes.
Speaker 2: That there's or maybe it's the humidity. Maybe it's like
Speaker 2: Lake Michigan. Is it like Michigan? Yeah, Lake Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yep, like the.
Speaker 2: Mountain effect on a golf course. There's something going on there.
Speaker 2: Just keep an eye tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Humidity.
Speaker 2: There's something because these teams should not be missing as
Speaker 2: much as they are, And I'm like.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? It'ds something to watch out for, something
Speaker 1: to watch out for.
Speaker 2: Also another piece of news, if you would have bet
Speaker 2: early on the Hawks to get to the finals at
Speaker 2: one point, you could have gotten it for twelve thousand
Speaker 2: plus twelve thousand, five hundred to get it into the finals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one one hundred and twenty five to one.
Speaker 1: One guy, I guess.
Speaker 2: Put one hundred and one, one hundred to one and
Speaker 2: also forty to one. So if the Hawks make it
Speaker 2: to the finals. This guy makes like one point two
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 4: They just have to make it.
Speaker 1: They don't have to win it all.
Speaker 2: What a ticket, What a fucking ticket. It's looking good
Speaker 2: for him. I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 4: You've got to You've got a hedge a little bit there.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna make a million, you got to hedge
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think he's hedged with?
Speaker 4: I don't know. It would have to present itself, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's just a huge Hawks fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't just put up that much money
Speaker 2: just rocket. I mean, that's not responsible, that's not respond
Speaker 2: onstible gambling. No, I just bet the Suns and the
Speaker 2: and the Hawks to both go to the finals. Plus
Speaker 2: two fifty on the Suns plus six to fifty on
Speaker 2: the Hawks. I know one of them will hit. I
Speaker 2: know one of them will hit.
Speaker 1: Looking forward, I think more of the same.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I think is weird is like
Speaker 2: people haven't watched the Hawks all year. They haven't for
Speaker 2: some reason, their test or their scouting report on the
Speaker 2: Hawks is wrong. Like I was talking to a friend
Speaker 2: who's a Milwaukee Bucks fan. He's like, oh, I'm not worried.
Speaker 2: Vegas isn't worried.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, this is a one dimensional team, Like
Speaker 2: the Hawks aren't a one dimensional team.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like they might be one of
Speaker 1: the most balanced teams in the NBA.
Speaker 2: They hit threes, they hit mid range floaters, they hit
Speaker 2: mid range runners, they slash, they kick out, they throw lobs,
Speaker 2: Like what does this team not do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Collins is good for like one or two
Speaker 4: like offensive rebound put backs a game as well, So
Speaker 4: they've got a lot of ways to score for sure.
Speaker 1: Tons of weapons, tons of weapons.
Speaker 2: And then he was like, oh, well this trade this
Speaker 2: team goes as far as Trey goes. Well, Trey Young,
Speaker 2: if I had to remember and remind him, he was
Speaker 2: two for eleven from three to five for twenty three overall.
Speaker 1: Game seven, who won that game?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Hawks won that game?
Speaker 2: Also Game four, Trey was three for eleven from three,
Speaker 2: eight for twenty six from the fields, eighteen assists.
Speaker 1: Dub doesn't matter, Trey Young can change.
Speaker 4: That's just a dumb thing.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna live and die by your best player.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But like that's like being like, you know, if Chris
Speaker 2: Paul and Devin Booker don't have good games and sons
Speaker 2: are gonna be fucking trashy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be tough.
Speaker 2: You know, it will be tough to win if our
Speaker 2: number one scoring option doesn't score, but.
Speaker 1: Trey Young with like damn your twenty assists? God damn.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think like people haven't been watching because
Speaker 2: the Hawks weren't good all year. They were like one
Speaker 2: of these surprise teams because of the change in Nate
Speaker 2: McMillan and that one point they were like twelfth in
Speaker 2: the East. I remember it being like, yikes, we were
Speaker 2: not thinking things gonna be good. So, yeah, don't sleep
Speaker 2: on this roster prediction time. I have Hawks and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I think that they are. You know, it's weird,
Speaker 2: like as as a side road, Jannie is such a
Speaker 2: different human when he's at Fencer versus anywhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like he is so much more aggressive at home. Not
Speaker 2: to say that this doesn't counter like isnt a counter
Speaker 2: to my thought that the Hawks would win at home
Speaker 2: or win on the road in seven, But like Yannis.
Speaker 1: It could be it could be Hawks and six. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Because Jannis looks like a whole other vibe mentally when
Speaker 2: he's on the road and people aren't aren't cheering for him.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for it. I'm excited for it.
Speaker 1: Do you notice that though?
Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of pieces of news.
Speaker 2: Let's move on one I must discuss in detail, all right.
Speaker 2: So Brad Stevens, brand new GM hires eme Udoka.
Speaker 1: Great pick. Everybody knows he's a good pick. I think
Speaker 1: he's like one of the.
Speaker 2: Sleeper head coaching candidates that should have gotten looked for.
Speaker 1: It looks for a while now me too. And then
Speaker 1: our favorite ESPN analyst Jay Williams.
Speaker 2: Comes out of the box with a tweet congratulating em Udoka,
Speaker 2: and he says, my lord, man, I tell you what
Speaker 2: the first head coach of color for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2: Brown fist emoji with the with the fingers out and
Speaker 2: uh even and dot dot dot ampersand this is important,
Speaker 2: dot dot dot am persand even more importantly, ellipses again
Speaker 2: he has one talented dude who has paid his dues.
Speaker 2: Three dark I guess medium skin dark clapping emojis. Jay Williams, Uh,
Speaker 2: he's not even close. To the first coach of color
Speaker 2: at all, Like you've got mL car Bill Russell, Casey Jones,
Speaker 2: Doc Rivers, all coaches of color. Tough, tough look for
Speaker 2: Jay Williams.
Speaker 1: So did he come clean?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Say he did not say, Hey, that was really bad tweet.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking. I just have been thinking about
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens for so long. No.
Speaker 1: No, here's what he did.
Speaker 2: Like a couple of hours later, he let it sit
Speaker 2: for hours, which was wild, right, Like this tweet was
Speaker 2: out there for like one hundred and twenty minutes, which
Speaker 2: is a long time in twitterland. Like they screencapped your
Speaker 2: tweets in forty five seconds at this company. This is
Speaker 2: what he says as it relates to the Boston Celtics
Speaker 2: tweet that came from my account a couple of hours ago.
Speaker 1: Dot dot dot.
Speaker 2: I did not post that ampersand my past code has
Speaker 2: now been changed, same ellipses and the ampersand so the hacker,
Speaker 2: according to Jay Williams, uses the exact same type of
Speaker 2: context and symbols in his tweets.
Speaker 1: Is Jay Williams, which is you know, very very good hacking.
Speaker 2: Big Cat tweeted, Oh my god, he actually went this
Speaker 2: route incredible and then Twitter gets involved like Twitter does,
Speaker 2: which I thought was actually the best part.
Speaker 1: God, they were funny. Did you read some of umh.
Speaker 2: One of them was like, dude, I finally hacked into
Speaker 2: a celebrities Twitter.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, dude, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: First congratulate the Celtics new coach inaccurately? It will be
Speaker 2: hysterical it trust me and that I'm gonna immediately delete
Speaker 2: it after tweeting it.
Speaker 1: But why would you do it?
Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing, but like, you'll send another tweet?
Speaker 1: Right, Nah?
Speaker 2: Why would I? I guess you do you another thread?
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, I want to just say that I did this.
Speaker 2: I dedicated the last three years of my life to
Speaker 2: hacking Jay William's Twitter account just so that I could
Speaker 2: post one embarrassingly wrong tweet from his account about the
Speaker 2: coaching history of the Boston Celtics. I appreciate it, and then
Speaker 2: the guy responds, I appreciate you that you made it
Speaker 2: embarrassingly wrong, but then you didn't go too far over
Speaker 2: the top to make sure that people would disbelieve the
Speaker 2: hacking explanation, which of course is completely true.
Speaker 1: Really threaded the needle there.
Speaker 2: I appreciate a hacker with class hacked it, made a
Speaker 2: congratulatory tweet and then logged out.
Speaker 1: A true gentleman in hacking.
Speaker 2: Very considerate of you to spend all that time hacking,
Speaker 2: but leaving his password the same so that he could
Speaker 2: get back in and change it. See you in another
Speaker 2: three years. You have work to do, man. So I
Speaker 2: guess to me, the only person besides Jay Williams responsible
Speaker 2: for this tweet. They say that murder and love really
Speaker 2: happened between strangers. I think the same thing could happen
Speaker 2: for Twitter hacking, and I would say the only one
Speaker 2: Twitter hacker exists that would make sense. Very close to
Speaker 2: jaywill as Jay will has said, like they are friends
Speaker 2: for a long time, has a long standing grudge with
Speaker 2: jaywill Is active and knowledgeable about Twitter and how works
Speaker 2: has fallen victims to the platform once before. Has a
Speaker 2: very singular goal as it relates it relates to Jay Williams.
Speaker 2: His only goal is to destroy Jay Williams's reputation in
Speaker 2: very small, very minute, subtle minor ways, eroding the people's
Speaker 2: confidence about his credibility about the game of basketball. It's
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant happed into Jay Williams's Twitter.
Speaker 2: He probably asked him for his passco and Jay Williams
Speaker 2: gave it to him.
Speaker 4: That would be the best if that, if that's action
Speaker 4: what happen, That would be so fucking funny genius move.
Speaker 2: And Kevin Durant would be the one to study, like
Speaker 2: how he tweets, like using his types of emojis.
Speaker 1: He would do it right for sure, Yeah my god, yep.
Speaker 2: So anyway, another coaching hire was the Indiana Pacers. Poor
Speaker 2: Nate bjorkrin smeared cost him his job. The rumored favorite
Speaker 2: was Terry Stotts, but instead who we.
Speaker 1: Got was Rick Carlyle, Rick Carlile.
Speaker 2: Things are strange, Things are very very strange with this hire.
Speaker 4: Back to Indy.
Speaker 1: Back to Indy.
Speaker 2: What did they say there was like things that were
Speaker 2: relevant in two thousand and six and are now relevant
Speaker 2: again in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: And the first one.
Speaker 2: Was it was Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez and now
Speaker 2: Rick Carlile in the Pacers. They signed him four years,
Speaker 2: twenty nine million, and now he gets to keep the
Speaker 2: fourteen million from Dallas too. I thought that was odd
Speaker 2: that Dallas would allow someone who quit his job with
Speaker 2: two years left and gets to keep fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: To me, that's like slightly strange, you know, Tim McMahon said,
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban does not want to complicate Carlile's quest for
Speaker 2: a new opportunity. Something strange, Like Mark Cuban is not
Speaker 2: like the most generous guy in the world in terms
Speaker 2: of like he being keeping allowing guys to keep money.
Speaker 1: So I think something's going on there. What do you
Speaker 1: think is going on there?
Speaker 4: Honestly, like, I don't know. This is my first time
Speaker 4: really thinking about it. I mean, there could be a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: So I did a little searching.
Speaker 2: I thought at first that meant that there was some
Speaker 2: stink on Dallas, which they're probably still is stink on Dallas,
Speaker 2: meaning they're not going to fuck with Rick Carlisle because
Speaker 2: Carlisle knows too much. But I texted my friend, I
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, what's up with Dallas?
Speaker 1: What's up with Rick Carlisle? And the response was he
Speaker 1: never quit.
Speaker 2: Dallas fired him, yep, and they're just protecting him, being like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he totally left on his own.
Speaker 1: So interesting. Interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I have to say is like
Speaker 2: what's happening with Luca. Luca's now got to sign a
Speaker 2: two hundred and one million dollars super max extension five years.
Speaker 1: He said he was going to do it at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, and now nothing. Chirp, chirp, chirp.
Speaker 4: I still expect him to sign, but that is bizarre.
Speaker 1: He said. He was upset about Donnie Nelson being fired.
Speaker 2: He's known him since he was a kid, and it
Speaker 2: was Nelson who ended up being the one responsible.
Speaker 1: For drafting him.
Speaker 2: I don't make the decisions, he said, in a way
Speaker 2: that can be seen as either truthful or ominous.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The longer though, that he goes without signing, the more
Speaker 2: suspicious and nervous.
Speaker 1: I think everyone will get Yes, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Tuesday Night maybe one of the most boring NBA related
Speaker 2: shows of all time, the NBA Draft Lotter.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, I mean it's I mean, it's never
Speaker 4: really that awesome. It's just when your team's in it,
Speaker 4: it's the most stressful thing in the entire universe. I'll
Speaker 4: tell you that much. But yeah, no, just this is
Speaker 4: my first time watching it like without like an active
Speaker 4: you know, rooting interest and yeah, pretty boring.
Speaker 1: I missed the ping pong balls.
Speaker 4: It's better when they're all there in the same room too.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, I miss Patrick Ewing, like hovering over that
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties bingo machine, waiting for this orange ball to
Speaker 2: declare that once again, the Sacramento Kings are getting the
Speaker 2: lottery pick. With David Stern and conspiracy theories and these
Speaker 2: frozen envelopes and like crowd anybody booing every time the
Speaker 2: Knicks ever, their knicks name is ever mentioned. But we've
Speaker 2: got instead, We've got like envelopes and like Mark Tatum.
Speaker 2: Mark Tatum is maybe the boringest guy to ever announce names.
Speaker 1: He said it like, I was like, is this from
Speaker 1: prior years?
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was like highlights of the
Speaker 2: NBA Draft Lottery, the way that they just rushed through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just was like bing boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well that's how the first like ten picks typically go.
Speaker 4: They do that really quickly, and then they drag out
Speaker 4: the final four final it's final four now. But uh yeah, Now,
Speaker 4: I think Mark Tatum seems like a nice guy.
Speaker 2: Actually, he is a nice guy, and that does not
Speaker 2: mean he's electric on the mic.
Speaker 1: You can be really nice. I've met him, very nice guy.
Speaker 2: I have nothing bad to say about the NBA or
Speaker 2: Mark Tatum. However, I have an idea. I'm planning on
Speaker 2: calling the NBA League office and saying I have someone
Speaker 2: who would be much better.
Speaker 1: And his name is Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 2: Dave would be incredible reading off the names, it could
Speaker 2: be an event.
Speaker 1: It would be sold. I don't know who would want.
Speaker 2: To advertise with that, but I bet it would be
Speaker 2: a lot of people, Like could you imagine the NBA
Speaker 2: hiring Dave and and like you've got former and current
Speaker 2: players sitting in those leather chairs waiting for him to
Speaker 2: announce in an envelope, and he's just trolling about how
Speaker 2: like you tanked all year long and you thought you
Speaker 2: were getting the number two pick and you're actually getting
Speaker 2: the number fourteen pick, and like, imagine it's like Dan
Speaker 2: and at Chicago getting fourteen, Like could you imagine.
Speaker 4: It would set NBA Twitter on fire?
Speaker 2: It was, and then you'd have him like taking shots
Speaker 2: at Lebron James when the Lakers aren't anywhere near the
Speaker 2: lottery at all. I had like seven Lebron ricochet shots
Speaker 2: about how he was responsible for whoever not getting the
Speaker 2: number one spot, like or he comes out of the
Speaker 2: gate and he's just shit talking potential players that are
Speaker 2: gonna get drafted by that organization, Like good luck with
Speaker 2: Kaid Cunningham. He lost me two and a half units
Speaker 2: and fucking last year's Mark mannis he's trash, He's gone awful.
Speaker 2: He stinks that guy stinks you better not take kid cunning.
Speaker 4: Him at what Yeah, you'd go after Cave. There's no
Speaker 4: doubt about that.
Speaker 1: No joke.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which I was asking this before we started recording, like,
Speaker 2: do you think that there exists in the NBA the
Speaker 2: face of a bust?
Speaker 4: I do I associate it more with NFL players than NBA,
Speaker 4: though I can't think of an NBA guy that I've
Speaker 4: thought that about.
Speaker 2: I thought that about James Wiseman because he looks kind
Speaker 2: of lost, like he looks sort of like a deer
Speaker 2: in headlights.
Speaker 1: I've talked about that before. I think Kate has a
Speaker 1: face of a bust.
Speaker 4: I like Kate. I think he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 2: I do like him as well, but I think he's
Speaker 2: got the face of a bust.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he will be. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: his face give him him bust fives.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that his play does. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that anything else besides his face.
Speaker 1: I can sort of see it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Marvin Backley had the face of
Speaker 2: a bust.
Speaker 1: Do you see where I'm going with this?
Speaker 2: Where their eyes aren't fully like there's no You look
Speaker 2: at them and it's almost like there's nothing, like the
Speaker 2: lights are on and no one's home.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just nerves.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I see a lot of videos
Speaker 2: of Kate and I'm like, hello.
Speaker 1: Is this thing on? I don't know. He's uh good luck,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So here's the here's how the numbers shook out. Number
Speaker 2: fourteen Warriors, thirteen Pacers, twelve Spurs, eleven Hornets, ten Pelicans,
Speaker 2: nine Kings.
Speaker 1: Tough for the Kings, Yeah, tough for the Kings. Magic
Speaker 1: eight Warriors end up getting seven. Could be better, could.
Speaker 2: Be worse, of course. Uh ok se gets six. Yeah
Speaker 2: it's tough too, Magic gets five. Cannot believe the Raptor
Speaker 2: squeaked out four. That is fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: They that's sick for them.
Speaker 2: Also tough for the Pelicans, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they got Zion.
Speaker 5: Zion.
Speaker 4: They don't need it, but they defied all odds to
Speaker 4: get Zion. They can fuck off.
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers A three. I swore there was gonna there
Speaker 1: were gonna be one. I knew.
Speaker 2: I just I hate them too. They suck Rockets at two.
Speaker 2: At least it wasn't seventeen for the Rockets, like there
Speaker 2: was a chance for them to have seventeen. Also, people
Speaker 2: very mad at me that I called the number two
Speaker 2: slot like the dead zone of the draft.
Speaker 4: I mean, you still would rather be there than seventeen,
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. Yeah, I mean there's been there's
Speaker 4: been some classic busts at two, but that's not a
Speaker 4: reason to not want the two pick.
Speaker 2: No, I mean not in this draft. But tough Pistons.
Speaker 2: God damn thank god.
Speaker 1: I love this for the Piston he too, they need it.
Speaker 2: Troy weaver Man, I swear like the Pistons won twenty games,
Speaker 2: but they were one of the best twenty game win
Speaker 2: winning teams I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they would have good night. It's no doubt
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, No, I mean I'm bullish on the
Speaker 4: Pistons future.
Speaker 2: They had seven of those games that they won seven
Speaker 2: out of twenty of those games were against playoff teams
Speaker 2: Boston twice, Phoenix once, Miami once, Philly once, Lakers once,
Speaker 2: Nets once. Vacant ball, vacant ball. Troy Weaver is killing
Speaker 2: anyone who gambled on the Pistons knew they were double
Speaker 2: digit underdogs a lot not we like, I know, we
Speaker 2: can't say free money, but it was like kind of
Speaker 2: like free money.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like not what I was supposed to say.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Weaver said that he The thing that I thought was
Speaker 2: interesting is that Weaver said he values g leigue guys
Speaker 2: differently than he does college guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Rut Row, rut Row.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility that Piston's trade out of
Speaker 1: that spot.
Speaker 4: You can't trade the number one. When was the last
Speaker 4: time that happened?
Speaker 1: Isn't that what happened with.
Speaker 4: But like that was but that was a weird situation
Speaker 4: with Lebron, Like you don't trade the number one pick.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't. But what do you think the chances are
Speaker 1: that they take Jalen Green? At one slim slim? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think they.
Speaker 4: Take k I think Kate's that good.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that kid said he's not going to
Speaker 2: work out for anyone but the Pistons fuck him.
Speaker 1: That's a bust face move.
Speaker 4: That's a busted Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like I like Aiden. Aiden did not have a
Speaker 2: bust face. He had a great smiley locked in, very engaged.
Speaker 4: Face, very old looking face. He looks very old.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who looks like him.
Speaker 2: Other interesting tidbit is that the Calves are looking to
Speaker 2: actively trade out of three. So I guess that means
Speaker 2: they just don't want Jalen Suggs. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: mean they have too many guards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kobe Altman playing smart.
Speaker 2: I guess I think if they draft is being reported
Speaker 2: that they're going to take Mobile, and then that means
Speaker 2: Jared Allen is on his way out.
Speaker 4: I don't hate that, But Mobley he could easily second.
Speaker 1: He could easily.
Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do then on that You
Speaker 2: can't plan for Mobili No, I mean they're gonna get fucked.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's a bad spot.
Speaker 2: I mean three is like the the like if you
Speaker 2: have two point guards on your team and you're drafting third,
Speaker 2: which is where the Cleveland Cavaliers are, You're fucked.
Speaker 4: You lose your options at that point.
Speaker 1: Yep, I guess they go get Jalen Green.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but who.
Speaker 1: Knows he ish No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it's tough to say that, like
Speaker 4: they're fuck but I mean they also took a Koro
Speaker 4: But I mean you're still I mean, you're.
Speaker 2: Too many multiple pieces of the same Yeah, Like they
Speaker 2: just literally like the same guys over and over. Also,
Speaker 2: Collin Sexton apparently wants max money and no one is
Speaker 2: willing to do a signing trade for him. Some executives
Speaker 2: said he is Lou Williams off the bench at best. Yikes,
Speaker 2: that's maybe the most disrespectful thing. The number what was
Speaker 2: he five or six?
Speaker 1: Got picked up? Six?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ugh. Draft is Thursday, July twenty ninth. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: an episode that before that before it drops me and Mary.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make some mock predictions Marty.
Speaker 2: This is the first year that Marty doesn't give a
Speaker 2: fuck about the draft because his team has no relevance
Speaker 2: in sight. Mine doesn't really have any We never have
Speaker 2: any picks. We traded our pick for Robert fucking Covington.
Speaker 2: So I don't care about the draft. You don't care
Speaker 2: about the draft. I'm still excited for Well, we'll get excited,
Speaker 2: We'll get excited. I'm excited for Jalen Suggs. I'm excited
Speaker 2: for Jalen Green. I'm not excited about about Evan Mobley.
Speaker 2: I don't like big men mostly. I'll say, we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 1: Lot popping around the league right now. Lakers in the
Speaker 1: news again. God damn Texas. Why do they do this?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Texas and M University police arrested Alex Cruso,
Speaker 2: which was technically on a M property at the university
Speaker 2: the Airport College Station in the College Station Airport UH
Speaker 2: and he ended up having to pay a cash bond
Speaker 2: of thirty five hundred and fifty two dollars. What are
Speaker 2: university police trying to act like their fucking federals over here?
Speaker 1: Like this is.
Speaker 2: Alex Crusoe with some weed ground up in an herb grinder?
Speaker 1: Like what are we fucking doing here?
Speaker 4: Now? Try to fly with that stuff? I mean, it's
Speaker 4: risky business. You know, we all know that.
Speaker 2: What he needed was someone like me because he's still young,
Speaker 2: to let him know that there is a trick. It's
Speaker 2: called deodorant. You put it in you put the weed
Speaker 2: inside of the stick of deodorant.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, it's okay. So you open here we go.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you unscrew the deodorant, pull out the tube
Speaker 2: of the like the stick, and then you put the
Speaker 2: weed inside and then you put the deodorant back in one.
Speaker 2: The deodorant like removes all odor of weed, right, and
Speaker 2: the X ray nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now you know if you're ever flying with
Speaker 2: weed across state lines. Marty's going to Arizona soon, folks,
Speaker 2: which is definitely still federal crime.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, oh, is it so?
Speaker 4: Anyway?
Speaker 1: You used to be a felony for a long time,
Speaker 1: but now you know, now you know deodorant. That's the move.
Speaker 1: I don't know was Alex cruzzl on campus at that point.
Speaker 4: I don't really know what the deal was. But that's
Speaker 4: such a bad whether it was at the airport or not,
Speaker 4: that's such a bad look to get taken down by
Speaker 4: your campus police. Set age twenty seven, Like like if
Speaker 4: lsupd got me like, if I was just back there
Speaker 4: for like a game, that would be so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: You're an NBA champion, twenty seven years old, rocking the
Speaker 2: head band, back on campus, hanging out with the co ed's,
Speaker 2: smoking some weed in your herb grinder.
Speaker 1: This shit is sus I tell you what it's like.
Speaker 2: Ninth year senior tight behavior and this dude plays for
Speaker 2: the LA Lakers.
Speaker 4: I kind of like it.
Speaker 2: I do like it, but it's also kind of scuzzy.
Speaker 2: It's a scuzzy thing. It's summertime. You're in fucking Texas
Speaker 2: and m campus summertime, twenty seven after getting bounced out of.
Speaker 1: The first round after the year before winning an NBA championship.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Apparently, in the state of Texas, possession of less than
Speaker 2: two ounces is a Class B misdemeanor. The possession of
Speaker 2: the drug paraphernalia is a Class C misdemeanor. He can
Speaker 2: result in a fine of five hundred dollars but no
Speaker 2: jail time.
Speaker 1: Boy boy boy uh.
Speaker 2: Second piece of Laker news, Kyle Kuzma removed Lakers from
Speaker 2: his ig profile. Man Also, Mark Spears reports that Kyle
Speaker 2: Kuzma has been in this LA bubble. He's behind Lebron.
Speaker 2: He's ready for a new start and a bigger opportunity.
Speaker 2: He's only started thirty two games this year.
Speaker 1: We had a fluff piece about him earlier where I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's embracing this role role player, fell handy, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah.
Speaker 1: It was a lie. That was a lie. I got finessed.
Speaker 1: I got finessed. Kyle Kuzma's trash.
Speaker 4: I've always thought he stinks.
Speaker 1: He stinks. It's all about him.
Speaker 2: I wanted to like him when he changed his hair
Speaker 2: from cisco back to a grown man. I wanted to
Speaker 2: think he had changed things. He's not changed. He's all
Speaker 2: about Kyle.
Speaker 4: Well about him. What I always said, I was like,
Speaker 4: if he played in Sacramento, no one would know his name,
Speaker 4: no one. Yeah, he is who.
Speaker 2: Lou Williams said, there are guys in the league right
Speaker 2: now that shouldn't be in the league.
Speaker 1: That's Kyle Kuzma, that's Kyle Kuzman.
Speaker 2: He said there's guys overseas that should be in the
Speaker 2: NBA still, but because of politics, and there's guys in.
Speaker 1: The NBA that shouldn't be in the NBA. That's Kyle Kuzma.
Speaker 2: A hot rumor is though, that Kuzma mantras Harrol on
Speaker 2: the number twenty two pick for Lowry on a sign
Speaker 2: in trade. I mean, I like it only for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: I only like it for the Lakers. I don't really
Speaker 2: like it for the Raptors. It does allow kuz to start,
Speaker 2: but I just.
Speaker 1: Don't see that working with Nick Nurse. No, don't see that.
Speaker 1: Hate it for the Raptors, hate it for the Raptors.
Speaker 2: Also, another news news piece and lost in the hubbub
Speaker 2: about Ben Simmons was this piece that went under the
Speaker 2: radar from Doris Burke. It was on a podcast, and
Speaker 2: you know, like when people talk on a podcast, no
Speaker 2: one fucking really like takes notes and transcribes and puts
Speaker 2: it out under the ether unless like someone flags it.
Speaker 2: This is me right here flagging it because I blogged
Speaker 2: it yesterday too.
Speaker 1: Doris Burke just buried Ben Simmons, Yeah, buried him. She
Speaker 1: called him and I've.
Speaker 2: Never seen her do this, Like she's one of the
Speaker 2: nicest people, one of the most measured journalists I've seen.
Speaker 2: She called him shattered, simply not good enough, defiant, borderline, arrogant,
Speaker 2: hard to watch, and unconfident.
Speaker 1: That is a cocktail of slanderous.
Speaker 2: Statements, not untrue, so I guess they're not slanderous, but
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ like arrogant, defiant, shattered.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Marty?
Speaker 2: When Doris Burke is basically putting the nail in your coffin,
Speaker 2: are you dead?
Speaker 4: It's a bad person to hear it from. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: one of those people that she doesn't insult people very often,
Speaker 4: so what she does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she was really really strong and effusive in
Speaker 2: the way she said it. She said it like she
Speaker 2: was in pain, saying it like she's been thinking it
Speaker 2: for a long ass time. And she's just like he
Speaker 2: anytime anyone asked him whether he was good enough, he
Speaker 2: just like basically was so defensive and define about it
Speaker 2: that he's not willing to really change, especially given that
Speaker 2: after that game he was like, I am who I am?
Speaker 1: It is what it is. She talked about this, and
Speaker 1: this is the.
Speaker 2: Part she pointed out that I thought was interesting, which
Speaker 2: was the most she said. Tough to watch apparently her,
Speaker 2: him and Joel were in transition in Game seven. They're
Speaker 2: both at half court they've got pace. All he has
Speaker 2: to do, in her opinion, is go behind his back,
Speaker 2: gain a little separation from Joel.
Speaker 1: If Joel rim runs to the front of the room,
Speaker 1: something's good and good to happen.
Speaker 2: But instead Ben's like, yo, you take the ball, you
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with it. Uh to a
Speaker 2: guy that's seven feet tall, two hundred and forty pounds
Speaker 2: with like very little spacing, And it's like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: Deal with this anymore, Like this is your shit.
Speaker 2: And she was like, and she said, I was in
Speaker 2: my hotel and I'm like, oh my god, where have
Speaker 2: we gotten in terms of where he is mentally? That
Speaker 2: was really hard to watch. And now she says she's
Speaker 2: not sure what his real trade value is anymore. And
Speaker 2: the news new new news is that Rich Paul is
Speaker 2: out there lying saying the Sixers are committed to him
Speaker 2: for the long term.
Speaker 1: That's not true. We know that's not true.
Speaker 2: No way, he said, the Sixers remain committed to Ben
Speaker 2: as a central piece of their franchise.
Speaker 1: I know we're reaching the point of Ben Simmons fatigue.
Speaker 2: I am, but like the news just keeps coming out,
Speaker 2: news just keeps coming out. Kemba Walker got traded to
Speaker 2: the Oka See Thunder and we didn't really have enough
Speaker 2: time to talk about it in depth, but I want
Speaker 2: to say I love this for Kemba. I love this
Speaker 2: for Sam Presty. I think Sam Presty is now going
Speaker 2: to be like the Property Brothers. He's like, I take
Speaker 2: dilapidated properties, I fix them up, and I flip them.
Speaker 2: I take Chris Paul, shine him up, shine him up,
Speaker 2: ship him out the door.
Speaker 1: He goes to a contender. I think that's what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do with Keimba.
Speaker 2: Already, we have a league source saying a Kemba Walker
Speaker 2: trade is already imminent.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: It is unclear whether the trade will occur before or
Speaker 2: after the beginning of the twenty twenty one twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two season.
Speaker 1: Holy fuck dude.
Speaker 2: Like I said, my suspicion is that they're going to
Speaker 2: try to get him in LA and if Oka Se
Speaker 2: can get the number twenty two pick and the number
Speaker 2: sixteen pick to rent Kemba for two months, I mean,
Speaker 2: is that maybe the greatest fleecing you've ever seen in
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 4: That'd be nice. That'd be a nice pickup.
Speaker 1: Okay, see and they got rid of Horford, you get right, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Get sixteen twenty two, you get rid of a bad contract,
Speaker 2: and all you have to do is rent this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. No one complains about
Speaker 1: the Okac Thunder.
Speaker 2: They're just like, maybe one of the best respected front offices.
Speaker 1: In the league.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But at the same time, these picks have to cultivated,
Speaker 4: and they got six last night, so they did.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: Reminds me to ask a question, who are the top
Speaker 2: five executives to you, Marty and myself in the NBA.
Speaker 2: The criteria is they must be an executive like a
Speaker 2: GM or president of operations, or they can be somebody
Speaker 2: behind the scenes like Jerry West or Darrel Moury.
Speaker 4: Okay, well there, I mean you got to put Presty
Speaker 4: up there right now, Massi, James Jones, Executive of the Year,
Speaker 4: James Jones, and then yeah, I'll go Maury and who
Speaker 4: am I rounding out with? Jerry West? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Love that My top five, Sam, Presty, James Jones, Executive
Speaker 2: of the Year.
Speaker 1: It's a tough between three and four.
Speaker 2: I've got Massi, I've got Worldwide West and Leon Rose.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I wasn't thinking about.
Speaker 1: Them, and five underrated Travis Schlank from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Okay, fleecing bogged On was huge. Yeah, the getting stealing
Speaker 2: him from Milwaukee. Milwaukee would love him, I promise you
Speaker 2: right now, Holy fuckt Dante DiVincenzo. They would have ran
Speaker 2: through the nets given the way that Bogdon has been
Speaker 2: also some of the some of the drafts that he's had.
Speaker 2: Getting DeAndre Hunter was really impressive, Like no one really
Speaker 2: had him high. Some people even in the tournament didn't
Speaker 2: know how good DeAndre Hunter was going to translate to
Speaker 2: the next level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a bit of a reach. It's a
Speaker 4: he was gonna go top ten, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct underrated RC Buford, pat Riley, Zach Climbing from Memphis,
Speaker 2: Scott Perry from the Knicks. I guess you could put
Speaker 2: him with Worldwide West and Leon Rose and Troy Weaver
Speaker 2: from the Pistons, stealing fucking Jeremy Grant making him the
Speaker 2: centerpiece and still go ahead and getting some pieces that
Speaker 2: are contributing right away, and they have the number one
Speaker 2: pick now, which will be really interesting.
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