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Speaker 1: to the Herd podcast. Well, Jason Timp's been the former

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Speaker 1: college basketball player, has been with me at The Volume

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Speaker 1: for years and years and covered the NBA for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Podcaster, real thinking man's version of basketball, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like today we're celebrating not only FS one

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Speaker 1: but the Volume. I got middlecomp doing my updates. I

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Speaker 1: got Jason Timp joining us live, and he is joining

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Speaker 1: us live. So Jason, I've been on something and for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years where pre nil and I told

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Speaker 1: Adam Silber this when he was on the show. I said,

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Speaker 1: you guys kind of demonized college basketball. Not only is

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Speaker 1: it good for the kids in terms of marketing. I

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Speaker 1: got to watch Zion at Duke Cooper Flag. Kids want

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Speaker 1: to buy their shoes, they watch them, and nobody's watching

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Speaker 1: the G League. I said, but I think the coaching's

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Speaker 1: better in college basketball, it's harder, and this past draft

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Speaker 1: top eleven guys were all college guys that had not

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Speaker 1: been the case for a long time. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this past draft appears to be a great one because

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Speaker 1: of these guys. It's a really good draft. You have

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Speaker 1: some information when basketball pre nil sort of veered into, hey,

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Speaker 1: what did you uncover going back ten to twelve drafts

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Speaker 1: when the G League was where a lot of young

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating because there's been this obvious difference in

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Speaker 2: And thankfully in the last couple of years we've had

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Speaker 2: Flag looks like a hit, kon K Nipple looks like

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Speaker 2: a hit. But we had like a ten year stretch there.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy. Ben Simmons number one overall pick, Zion

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Speaker 2: Every single one of those guys were huge pedigree, huge

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Speaker 2: When you're in a situation like that where there's nothing

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Speaker 1: I mean. And I also think the better of the

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Speaker 1: it seems like the pathway San Antonio, Detroit, Utah to

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Speaker 2: You're just going to have guys do everything they can

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Speaker 2: I hate when the conversation solely focuses on tanking because

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Speaker 2: They also just organizationally do an amazing job on the margins.

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Speaker 2: to point out. But the reality is is there isn't

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Speaker 2: take good solution, Like if you abolish the draft, you're

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Speaker 2: sponsor try to pressure and drive these guys towards big markets.

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Speaker 1: All the way.

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Speaker 4: That's probably what I would do.

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Speaker 2: I would just have every single team that misses the

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Speaker 2: some shenanigans surrounding the play in like in that seven

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Speaker 2: play well. But the reality is like Adam Silver catches

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Speaker 2: a lot of crap for what's happened in the last

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Speaker 2: few years, but at least he's trying, and frankly, I

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Speaker 1: So your top five NBA title contenders is Oklahoma City, Denver, Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: the Timberwolves, and the Spurs. I may have the Spurs

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Speaker 1: the floor, there is some defensive deficiencies. But let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a team you don't have in the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: because I do, I mean, I like their roster. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think they should have changed coaches. Mike Brown's fine

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Speaker 1: he's been around the block. What is it with the

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Speaker 1: Knicks you don't like? So you know what's weird?

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 2: I actually do like the Knicks more than I liked

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Speaker 2: him last year. Like their core players are better. I

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown has them playing with more of an emphasis

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Speaker 2: been good for their offense. There's a lot of strengths there.

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Speaker 2: They've had a higher defensive ceiling this year, but it

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Speaker 2: comes down to two things. One, the rest of the

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Speaker 2: to kind of get super enthusiastic. And then basically what

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Speaker 2: biggest thing that stands in the way of me believing

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Speaker 2: in this team. There is a huge difference between being

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Speaker 2: mistake making defender cannot be planned for, it can't be

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Speaker 2: doesn't understand transition defense principles. He's just a very sloppy,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk Lakers because you've always had I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's how I found you at the volume and a

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Speaker 1: lot of your audiences, you were a Laker podcaster. I've

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Speaker 1: said before is that it's an uneven franchise and Rob

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Speaker 1: Polenka and it's a three and D league and they

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Speaker 1: don't have enough threes or d's, and it's like every

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Speaker 1: player in the roster is more of an offensive leaning guy.

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Speaker 1: And I also believe, like Steph Curry, if your best

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Speaker 1: defensive culture if they're not. Steph Curry had limitations physically,

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Speaker 1: then you have to build around them. So to me,

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Speaker 1: and I think Rob Polenka, it's just an offensive everybody's offense. First,

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Speaker 1: Jared Vanderbilt has some dexterity, you know, switchable stuff. But

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Speaker 1: my take is there a quick solve with the Lakers

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Speaker 1: and quick. I mean, with a new ownership group two years,

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Speaker 1: is there a quick solve.

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Speaker 2: I think they could do it in two years, but

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Speaker 2: they would have to hit on just about every decision

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Speaker 2: they've made because Colin, you know, for all the focus

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Speaker 2: on the top of the roster, and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to sit there and pretend it's perfect. There's some overlap

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Speaker 2: between Lebron and Luca. Obviously, all three of those dudes

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Speaker 2: have their defensive concerns at this point. But the truth

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Speaker 2: of the matter is their star power is why they're

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Speaker 2: thirty three and twenty one, the reason why they've won

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Speaker 2: as many clutch games as they had, the reason why

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Speaker 1: Well you got a sample of how hard he works.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jason timpth follow him at the volume.

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Speaker 1: It's great, buddy, seeing you as always. We will talk

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Speaker 4: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Man Hoops Tonight is the podcast. That guy's a hustler. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he is a Laker savant. He just kind of took

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Speaker 1: look at the much like basketball, Baseball's international. It's very complex,

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Speaker 1: more people outsiders. Albert Brear, Jason timp Colin Wright wrong

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Speaker 1: good show today, take a break live in Chicago Herdline

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Speaker 1: News with John Middlekoffer around the corner. It's The Herd.

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Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. Been a fun show today. When

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver's coming out and he's like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: tanking because you've made it so hard to you know,

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Speaker 1: dynasties in hockey, basketball, and baseball makes sense. That's the

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Speaker 1: Jeff Passen wrote about this last week. He was right.

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Speaker 1: Nobody hates anybody in the NBA. The Lakers aren't any good.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics without Tatum. Even when the Celtics won, they

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Speaker 1: You know, the Larry Bird and McHale fighting Doctor J

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Speaker 3: No No, No, the news.

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Speaker 1: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you're aware, Calm, but the NFL

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Speaker 7: We favor, we favor Hall of Fame safety. So if

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Speaker 7: fine with me. We'll take the best player. You know,

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Speaker 7: when you draft that high, you take the best player.

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Speaker 7: It's not a need pick. It's the best player pick

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Speaker 7: That guy would be just fine with me. I'd take

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think the top John, I don't know

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Speaker 6: among one of the top three teams with the opportunity

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Speaker 6: to pull this off. What and where do you think

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Speaker 6: Max Crosby will be playing this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: It feels like if Buffalo could make it work, they

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Speaker 1: don't have a pro bowler on their defense Buffalo, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Kansas City could make it work. I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's two or three really elite teams where

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Speaker 1: he can be kind of a I think Baltimore is

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Speaker 1: another team that could use a consistent edge guy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know the teams that are good that don't need him.

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Speaker 1: But about your how about your Bears?

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Speaker 4: I mean the Bears.

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Speaker 1: That's again Caleb Williams rookie contract. John, I think that's

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Speaker 1: as good an argument as any. I mean, the Bears

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Speaker 1: have Montese sweat, and I did think the Bears, I

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Speaker 1: think they need to draft. They need to get more

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Speaker 1: athletic at linebacker. I think they need an edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: Why not go in on Max Crosby. You got a

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Speaker 1: couple of years left on Caleb's rookie contract. I think

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Speaker 1: he makes the Bears in that in a top four

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl discussion, I.

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Speaker 4: Would imagine that the if the Raiders do, you know, pull.

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Speaker 6: The trigger and trade him, They're going to send him

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Speaker 6: to the NFC. You know the Chiefs, they would never

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Speaker 6: probably trade, even though the Chiefs would be very interested.

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Speaker 6: You know the Bills now great, they're not on the

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Speaker 6: same timeline. But you look at the Bears, you know

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Speaker 6: Howie Roseman. I mean the forty nine Ers used to

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Speaker 6: be you know, rivals because of you know, geographical circumstance,

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Speaker 6: but now they're gone in Vegas, not as much Tom

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Speaker 6: Brady's in charge, I do the Lions would be a team.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of men ifs. What about your Rams.

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Speaker 6: They have the thirteenth overall pick, so they have a

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Speaker 6: lot of draft capitol because they also have their own pick,

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Speaker 6: so they listen.

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Speaker 4: I would say, well, they don't necessarily need a defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: But he is John. He is on a short list

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Speaker 1: of the most respected players by GMS in the league.

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Speaker 1: If you took that quarterback and you ask GMS, give

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Speaker 1: me ten guys you'd love to have in your roster,

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Speaker 1: regardless of costs. His ability to play hard in a

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Speaker 1: bad culture for multiple coaches at the highest level, every

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Speaker 1: executive I've ever talked to is like, I'm a Max

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Speaker 1: Crosby guy. It's almost like Christian McCaffrey four hundred touches,

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Speaker 1: catch it, run it, block it. There are a handful

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Speaker 1: of players in this league. It's universal. Not every talented

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Speaker 1: guy is beloved. Crosby is going to have some suitors.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's pretty rare too that you get a defensive

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Speaker 6: lineman that is viewed with elite character Aaron Donald. You know,

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Speaker 6: so when you check that box, I think the amount

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Speaker 6: of people coming after him this offseason.

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Speaker 4: Will be a long list of teams.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let's end with a man named Michael Jordan to NASCAR,

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Speaker 6: where it feels all that's right in the world that

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Speaker 6: Michael Jordan is champion again and obviously the team he owns.

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Speaker 6: They won the Daytona five hundred. Here is the call

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Speaker 6: in the checker flag and Michael afterwards.

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Speaker 8: Chase Elliott, the NASCAR champion most popular driver, trying for

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Speaker 8: the win and Reddick to the top side.

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Speaker 5: He's got help.

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Speaker 1: Riley Herps, his teammate. Reddick drops to the bottom alongside

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Speaker 1: Elliott in the wall goes Herps, and Tyler Rennick comes

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Speaker 1: to the line. Wow, a shower of sparks.

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Speaker 3: Be hyper real. I mean we just hung in there

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Speaker 3: all day. I mean we were a great strategy about

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Speaker 3: the team, and we gave us half the teams at

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Speaker 3: the end. And look, I'm aesthetic. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: even know what to say. It feels like I won

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Speaker 3: a championship. But until I get my ring, I won't

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Speaker 3: even know.

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Speaker 4: All right, what size ring?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 5: Where?

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Speaker 1: Did you tell thirteen that is good for Nascar? Is

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Speaker 1: that not great for Nascar?

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Speaker 4: That was cool?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 6: The thing with Michael for a long time after he

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Speaker 6: got out of playing and he owned the Bobcats, he

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Speaker 6: always looked miserable on the sidelines. He never looked like

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Speaker 6: he was having a good time. So unless you play

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Speaker 6: golf with them, you didn't see him smile that much.

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Speaker 6: Matt enjoyment that smile. He knew his ring size when

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Speaker 6: he was being interviewed after size thirteen. How is Lebron

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Speaker 6: gonna have to buy a NASCAR team to try to

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Speaker 6: catch him?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 6: I think Michael, he's got the six rings. He's won

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Speaker 6: the Daytona five hundred, not even only Brad Doherty. A

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Speaker 6: couple of years ago, another North Carolina basketball player who

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Speaker 6: has won the Daytona five hundred as well, so said

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Speaker 6: that crazy MGAs got the first Carolina basketball player to

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Speaker 6: win the Daytona five hundred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good for MJ. I saw that yesterday and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is he's really into it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like a Southern thing, man, And it's the reality

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Speaker 1: is those a lot of those Southern athletes, Man, they

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Speaker 1: grow up with this. They are sitting there with their

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Speaker 1: families watching that puppy every year. It is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: We'll go happy he is.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's just a fire up. He's just so excited.

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Speaker 1: That's great. John with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 4: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They asked Michael about car racing and he's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I when I think of the Indy

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Speaker 1: five hundred, He's like, my family sit and watch that forever.

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Speaker 1: And uh, wasn't there there's another NBA player? Was it

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Speaker 1: Larry Nance? There was another NBA player with a connection

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Speaker 1: to auto racing? Is it Larry Nance? I think it

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Speaker 1: was Larry Nance. I had Albert Breer on earlier today.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about there's there's an NFL analyst that

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Speaker 1: came out and I thought it was the first red

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Speaker 1: flag on Indiana quarterback Fernanda Mendoza that was very viable

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Speaker 1: basically in terms of takeing sacks and holding onto the ball.

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza's camp out of college is Justin Field. So

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Speaker 1: and Justin has struggled, and the primary issue is too

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Speaker 1: many negative plays and too many sacks. And so if

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Speaker 1: you look at the guys in the quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: NFL last year that took too many sacks, held on

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Speaker 1: to the ball too long, too many negative plays. You know,

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Speaker 1: it was like Geno Smith, it was Shador Sanders, it

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Speaker 1: was JJ McCarthy. So now I think he is a

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Speaker 1: higher rated prospect. It feels like to me than Justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people like Justin Field's coming out

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Speaker 1: of college. So it's Albert Breyer earlier on Mendozo.

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Speaker 8: The cop I like best is Jared Goff and that

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Speaker 8: you know, he's got a nice natural stroke, he's really accurate.

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Speaker 8: He could take hits, which you know goth has shown

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Speaker 8: that he can do that. And he comes from one

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Speaker 8: of these offenses that's spread out, relying on RPOs. So

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Speaker 8: he does have a learning curve with golf. What did

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Speaker 8: that mean? It met His rookie year was a disaster

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Speaker 8: under Jeff Fisher, right, but then once Sean McVeigh got

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Speaker 8: a hold of him in twenty seventeen, Now, all of

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Speaker 8: a sudden you saw the stuff that you saw at

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Speaker 8: Cal with Mendoza, who isn't a perfect prospect, and I

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Speaker 8: don't think it's quite the prospect that Caleb Jaden or

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Speaker 8: Drake were a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the record, thanks staff, Larry Nance Senior and

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Speaker 1: drag Racing.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see on Mendozo. We got two months

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Speaker 1: to go through this thing. I also, you know, the

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Speaker 1: reality with drafting is everybody gets nitpicked. One of the

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Speaker 1: guys I've depended on for years is a Lanceserline is

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Speaker 1: a radio host in Houston and his dad works in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He does a great job for NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: His draft previews are just totally buttoned up. I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot of fun. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's often the same teams at the top of the draft.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the teams that I have all

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Speaker 1: the teams in the draft that I really think are

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Speaker 1: in a good spot, I think it's the New York Giant.

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Speaker 1: They definitely need a right tackle, but they could move

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Speaker 1: down to middle first and get that right tackle. There's

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Speaker 1: three to four to five offensive tackles, most start at

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Speaker 1: about Fano at Utah is about eight or nine or ten.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple early, one from Miami, one from Utah,

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Speaker 1: but there's three other offensive tackles in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And I think the New York Giants, who need a

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Speaker 1: right tackle, I think they need another perimeter weapon. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see them upgrade at corner. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants are in a great spot where they have one

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Speaker 1: absolute need right tackle, but that's available mid late first

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Speaker 1: round and early mid second round. So I think I

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Speaker 1: mean the Giants are in a good spot. They've got

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Speaker 1: their one weapon on the outside, their left tackle, their quarterback,

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Speaker 1: a star back, and edge rushers. So the Giants to

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Speaker 1: me are a team. It feels like they could move

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Speaker 1: down more than what they could go five to and

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Speaker 1: then nine to twelve and accumulate fourth round picks, third round,

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Speaker 1: fifth round picks. So I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a really fruitful next twelve months for the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants draft preseason. Keep Jackson Dart healthy, get him better

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Speaker 1: upfront protection, another perimeter weapon, another tight end. Interesting year

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Speaker 1: for the Giants. That's the team. I'm want to keep

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Speaker 1: my eyes on the New York Giants. Other teams like

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. They need a quarterback, Jets need everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could give the Jets fifteen draft picks. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure they're going to solve their current dilemma. All right,

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Speaker 1: j Max back tomorrow. John Middlecoff, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: as always capably filling in Jason, Tim Albert Breer will

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. What's the hurt