1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell that for me, I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edo Steak, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Is that woo woom? 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye. 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, the coaching carousel spun was frenetic, might still 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: be spinning. Yeah, always interesting. That is just the reason 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: for the season. I'm titled right, he's Dan Rubinstein. We're 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: going to talk to Bruce Felman here from the Athletic 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: from Fox Sports, from the Audible Podcast. It's been a 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: while since we had Bruce on the show last to 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: come on here and just update us on all things 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: going on in that world, since he's so connected and 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: does a good job reporting it out. Excited to hear 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: what he has to say today. 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, top tier talent. You heard it here first. 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: Bruce flban very excited to ask questions about how the 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: coaching carousel spun, Which names have peaked his interest in 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: terms of what they could potentially do, any lessons learned 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: from previous coaching carousels, and just the different variables now 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: involved in this. You mentioned reason for the season, but 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: the silly season with the portal with recruiting, with collectives, 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: with all sorts of different elements involved in the creation 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: and maintenance of potentially championship team. 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Dan joining us now, 64 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: it's been a long time since we had him on 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: the show. From the Athletic from Fox Sports, from the Audible. 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: The Audible with Bruce and Stu. I mean, you know, 67 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: Bruce Felman, Bruce, welcome back to show how you doing. 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: H good good to be honest with you guys. It 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: is my favorite college football podcast, oh man, including all 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: the other ones, including the one that Stu hosts. So 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: we have it. 72 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 2: I love that. 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 74 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Maybe there's a scoop coming with the audible right now. 75 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see what happens. How's this time 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: of year for you? What is what is your life like? 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: What consumes you post regular season, mid portal, mid coaching carousel? 78 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: Like has the coaching carousel, like head coaching carousel stopped spinning? 79 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: In your opinion, it's slowed down. There's like one big 80 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: ticket item that's that's off in the distance in ann 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: Arbor that you know, this kind of looms. But beyond that, 82 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 3: you know, as we're taping, Troy still open and was 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: interviewing guys preliminarily right there. I know. So, but what's different, 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: you know, on a couple of fronts, And that's way 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: different for me than it was probably three years ago. 86 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: And I'll explain as quick as I can why it's changed. Obviously, 87 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: the portal is different, and that is that's like a 88 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: frenetic thing that is taken over. It's actually I was 89 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: talking to my older brother who's a big, big football fan, 90 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: and he was like, so signing day is, and we 91 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: were talking about signing day for a second. I was like, Yeah, 92 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: signing day isn't as big a deal as it used 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: to be because of the portal. Portal has just sucked 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: the oxygen out of that room. And so there's that. 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: We certainly have a lot of stuff with with the 96 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: Cara cell, with the carousel because because the all the 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: recruiting pieces of it, whether it's transfers or not, they've 98 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: had to go earlier. What's also different from me from 99 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: a personal perspective is because I'm on the road with 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: Big Noon every week. Not that I wasn't traveling as 101 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: much when I was a sideline reporter, because I guess 102 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: I was. But I think now as my kids have 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: gotten older, now they're nine, I'm really trying to like 104 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: do a better job of having you know, work life 105 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: balance or some semblance of it. So I'm not chasing 106 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: every every offensive line coach move potentially or all these 107 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: other things that I used to get kind of obsessive 108 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: about trying to pick my spots, and then I think 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: it's a function of just having been on the beat 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: for a long time, where you know, you kind of 111 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: get worn down by this time of year. You know, 112 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: Like I love watching NFL and NBA, and sometimes those 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: are like comfort foods after I like kind of catch 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: my breath because I feel like I'm on the phone 115 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: all day long. And that's not a complaint. I mean 116 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: I love what I get to do. Like if if 117 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 3: somehow my wife on the lottery, I'd be like, I 118 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: still want to cover college football. 119 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: So maybe just at home in the way that Ty 120 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: and I do it. Though, if you win the lottery 121 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: and you can be in Manhattan Beach all. 122 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: Year, yes, but with probably better with lesser pizza and food. 123 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: Bloods wouldn't be on the food piece of it, but 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: I would. Yeah, I would love to be on the 125 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: couch and just you know, I was saying to Stu 126 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: the other day offline, I was like, I love watching 127 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: like the FCS playoffs, and yeah, like bad weather. Part 128 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: of it is like, oh I know this coach when 129 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: he was a such and such and now he's over 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: there and you know, it's like, my daughter's like, why 131 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: are you watching this? Idahot because ten years ago daddy 132 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: met this guy and he was like, you know whatever. 133 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: And it's just like, you know, there's something really cool 134 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: about those games, you know, And so I just kind 135 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: of love the sports still. It's just some of the 136 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: other stuff. You know, it's constantly coming at you. 137 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: Sure, so you're picking your spots. And one spot that 138 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: you've picked these past few weeks. And you had a 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: report I think before the Big Ten Championship game about 140 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: and you said, the looming story in ann Arbor is 141 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh's future. And I have no idea how much 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: has changed mid portal time, pre playoff time. Is this 143 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: an NCAA thing? Is this a Big Ten thing? Is 144 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: this an NFL thing? Is what is driving the lack 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: of clarity around Jim Harbaugh's future right now? 146 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: I think big picture, it's really an NFL thing. He's 147 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: never won a Super Bowl. He came really close. You know, 148 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: Logic would tell me if he leads Michigan to a 149 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: national title this year, you know, like he had told 150 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: me in the summer, We're going to break the record. 151 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: And twenty draft picks off this team. You lose twenty 152 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: draft picks, you're going to be really depleted. You know, 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: even if you're Georgia, You're going to be depleted, right, 154 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: And so I mean, look, George had fifteen last year 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: and they weren't as good this year. They thought they 156 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: were going to be really good and they weren't. So 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: the idea that you you could lose twenty players off that. 158 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: Never mind the NCAA dark cloud that's been hanging over there, 159 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: not just for the Connor Stallions piece, but also for 160 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: the COVID dead period, you know, recruiting men. Yeah, yeah, 161 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: so that's still out there. I just think at the 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: end of the day, he tried to He flirted with 163 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: the NFL really hard for the past years. He left 164 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: on a signing day to go interview it with the 165 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: Vikings that didn't go great. And then last year from 166 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, my sources were he could have probably had 167 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: the Broncos job, said I want to coach this team. 168 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: So he's coaching this team. Now he's got him in 169 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: the playoff. I'm not saying I feel one hundred percent 170 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: confident that if he wins a national title, he definitely, 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: you know, he's still got to get the job, and 172 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: it's got to be the right situation. But I think 173 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: there's probably a little bit of interest from what I 174 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: heard with with the with the Panthers job, you know, 175 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: if the Chargers job open up, which it sure looks 176 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: like it's going to. You know, he and his wife 177 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: have spent a bunch of time in southern California. There's 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: obviously a great talented quarterback he would inherit there. There's 179 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: a lot of pieces there are that are that are 180 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: pretty good. So I don't know, you know, if I'm Michigan, 181 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: if I'm a Michigan fan, I know a bunch of 182 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: them out here. If you get if Jim Marball lead 183 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: judter national title insides he wants to leave you beat 184 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: Ohio State three times in a row, yeah, I'll take that. 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: I would take that that formulation, right. 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: Are there any other names NFL wise, because that's always 187 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: the sort of second cycle with the coach and carousel. 188 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: A lot of successful guys, you know, that have NFL 189 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: experience or that would be attractive to NFL types because 190 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: of high flying offenses. We've heard Lincoln Riley's name, certainly, 191 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: Kaylin de Bord this year with his offense. Ryan Day 192 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: has experienced in the NFL any other names that intrigue 193 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: NFL teams From what you hear. 194 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: I think a lot of those NFL teams are going 195 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: to be a little scared off by both rule not 196 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: doing well with the Panthers, who had, you know, at 197 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: least a little bit of NFL experience. I think he 198 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: was with the Giants for a year or two. Obviously, 199 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: Urban bombs spectacularly in Jacksonville. And we've seen other examples 200 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: of guys who didn't work out great, you know, who 201 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: didn't have you know, either had some experience or not. 202 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: Harbaugh knew the NFL. He spent like fifteen years in there, 203 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: and then he did a you know, it was forty 204 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: four and nineteen at a program I think people forgot, 205 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: but he was you know, the forty nine ers were 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: spinning their wheels for a decade and he got him 207 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: into the super Bowl in a hurry. So he is 208 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: really good at that. Like if you know, if you 209 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: asked me, would Ryan Day be a guy who might 210 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: attract some NFL teams at some point? Maybe? You know, 211 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: he's a good offensive coach. He's been in NFL circles. 212 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: He knows a bunch of people there. You know, Lincoln's 213 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: never coached there, and I just would one or how 214 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: that would go, because at the end of the day, 215 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: I think, you know, NFL people have to be paying attention, going, yeah, 216 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: he can really like could he be somebody's offensive coordinator? Sure? 217 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: Could he be in charge of the whole thing? And 218 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: how would that work in the NFL? I think that 219 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: would be a really hard sell for somebody at this. 220 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: Point, Bruce, just because we've talked a lot about Michigan 221 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: and Jim Harbaugh here, you mentioned Ryan Day, and I'm 222 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: curious what your take is on the Ohio State situation, 223 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: because obviously an immensely talented team. If you're a fan 224 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: of one hundred and thirty two other schools, there's a 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: pretty good chance you're looking at Ohio State and saying, 226 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: I want to be a little bit like them in 227 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. But there is this sentiment 228 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: out there online that Ryan Day is slowly losing his 229 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: mind because of all the pressure on him to beat Michigan, 230 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: something he hasn't done, as you said before, for three 231 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: straight seasons. Now, what is like the vibe check within 232 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: the Ohio State program at the moment, given where they're at. 233 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 3: It's really weird at this point, you know, like it 234 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: feels a little different than it did two years ago. 235 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: You know, I'll remember this from this past year being 236 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: at ann Arbor. You know, at one point, you know, 237 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: me and the other big new guys are on the 238 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: Michigan sideline towards the end of the game, and I 239 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: remember there was one Michigan fan. I'm sure there was 240 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: more than one, but this one, Like I was with 241 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: Ingram and we were both kind of like chuckling every 242 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: time we heard it because it was such a constant. 243 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: There was some fan who kept on screaming third base Day. 244 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: He just kept on singing it. And there's no way, 245 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: right like it was on the Michigan sideline. I don't 246 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 3: know if anybody who was actually involved in the game 247 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: on the Michigan side even heard it. There's no way 248 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: Ryan Day across the field heard it. But I remember thinking, man, 249 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: this narrative is so screwy because because like, by the way, 250 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: like Ryan Day personally is like the last guy who's 251 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 3: like a third base guy, like in terms of like 252 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 3: we know or at least most real college football fans 253 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: know what his personal story was, you know, dealing with 254 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: the tragedy with his father. He's been really really you know, 255 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 3: I would say courageous and the stuff he's done about 256 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: mental health and real issues that he's you know, he 257 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: and his family are trying to speak on. But then 258 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: the other part of this is, like you get they 259 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: they win against Notre Dame, it's very emotional. He calls 260 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: out Lou Holtz, which was like a really peculiar moment, 261 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, like because you could tell he got really 262 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: really emotional, and so you can feel like what you 263 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: just said, you like, yeah, there's something there, because it's 264 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: like this pressure cooker that if you're in Columbus, Ohio, 265 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: which has sky high expectations and the guy you took 266 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: over for went seven and went seven and seven and 267 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: oh against Michigan and talks about it a lot, and 268 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: they talk about it a lot, and that shadow hangs 269 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: over Columbus in a huge way. You know. So I 270 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: think that's hard, not just for him, but I think 271 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: it's hard when you have awareness to know, you know, 272 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: my families living through this. You know, I think you 273 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: have somebody who is probably different than some football coaches 274 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: who are these guys who are like obsessed with just 275 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: what they're doing as opposed to I think and I've 276 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: never talked to Ryan Day specifically about this part of it, 277 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: but have been around them before to know he's probably 278 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: way more self aware than most high level head football 279 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: coaches in college are. And I think that has to 280 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: factor into it, you know. And then you get the 281 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: piece of the Michigan signal stealing investigation story where it's like, well, 282 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: they were cheating and they were doing this, so that 283 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: you know, that's going to feed into your feeling like 284 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: you're getting wronged and you're getting screwed in this. You know. 285 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: It's just like it's a very I think it's a 286 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: very like complex dynamic there, right, you know, like, of 287 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: course's probably a really good quarterback. It wasn't CJ. Stroud, right, 288 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: you know. CJ. Stroud's tearing up the NFL as a rookie, right, 289 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: you know, and that guy was his first year so 290 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: and now they you know, it seems like the money 291 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: people have gone, Okay, not good enough for us. You know. 292 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: It's just a it's it's remarkable how I feel like, 293 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: of all the schools in the country, the expectations at 294 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: Ohio State might be higher than they are and even 295 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: anywhere in the SEC. Maybe that's unfair, maybe that's wrong 296 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: to think it's higher than it is a Georgia and 297 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: it's higher than it is to Alabama. But those places 298 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: have won. You know, Kirby won two national titles in 299 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: a row. I'm not saying they're satisfied, and I know 300 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: Kirby's not, but I just think, you know, Ryan Day's 301 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: record is insanely good, but it's you know, they came 302 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: within a last second field of all the beating Georgian 303 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: and probably winning the national title. And yet for everybody, 304 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: almost everybody seems like there's a bitter taste in their 305 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: mouth around there. 306 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned the SEC. That is a perfect segue to 307 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: talk about the Jimbo Fisher slash Texas A and M saga. 308 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: You were one of the first to report that something 309 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: was going on there. The writing was very much on 310 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: the wall. I don't know if it came as a 311 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: huge surprise to eventually hear that he had been dismissed. 312 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Of course, for US mere peons and podcasters, hearing the 313 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: buyout number, that'll raise your eyebrows a little bit. But 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Jimbo no longer being the coach at A and M 315 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a huge shocker they make the move. I remember, 316 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: right after it happened, you and your colleagues at the 317 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: Athletic posted a huge list of like a dozen or 318 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: so big names that could be up for that job. 319 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: They eventually go with Mike Elko, who I think we 320 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: will agree pretty much across the board that he's a 321 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: good fit. They bring him back to college station. Was 322 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: he the first choice? Can you share any more insight 323 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: on what that A and M coaching search process was like? 324 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Because from afar it feels like there are many different 325 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: power centers. 326 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that he was a high candidate for 327 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: them because they knew they knew how smart he was. 328 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: They knew that he understood the place, which I think 329 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: is a big challenge in itself because it's Texas A 330 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: and M, and he'd done really well in his two 331 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: years at Duke, which is not an easy place to be. 332 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: I think they knew they had in their pocket a 333 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: really strong candidate. Now, if you have whether if I 334 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: told you guys, and you guys follow you know college 335 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: football really closely, obviously, if I said to you who 336 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 3: do you think would be a better fit. And I'll 337 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 3: give you three names, Mike Elko, Lance lpp Holds, Chris Cleman. 338 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: None of those names outside of diehard college football people 339 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: are probably sexy names, right, you know, Like if you 340 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: ask me, and I don't want to, you know, to 341 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: steer the conversation for a minute in the wrong direction. 342 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: But like, you know, Stu and I do these like 343 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: top twenty five coaching rankings, and Stu is like wildly reactionary, 344 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: and he's like a house cat, you know, it's like 345 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: whatever happened in the last ten minutes, he's jumping them. Right. Well, 346 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: if you ask me, is Lance Lightpol one of the 347 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: five best coaches in college football? I'm going to say yes, 348 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: because he doing amazing stuff at places that nobody does 349 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: that with, right, you know. And for a long time 350 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: it was like not a long time, a couple of 351 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: years it was like Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day and 352 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: it was like, I don't want to say those guys 353 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: aren't terrific offensive coaches, because they absolutely are. But it's 354 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: one it's different to do it at Kansas, It's different 355 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: to do it at Buffalo. It's you know, like and 356 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: I think some of those guys who are real culture guys, 357 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: like the guy who Texas is going to play now, 358 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: I would imagine almost nobody knows what he looks like 359 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: if he walked in. 360 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: That's our Hudson News test that like, if Kaylin de 361 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: Borr were in a Hudson News in Seattle, would how 362 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: often would he be recognized? 363 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, but like, this guy is super smart, 364 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: he understands. Like I did an interview with him. I 365 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: went up there in the spring to go talk about 366 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: you know, to go see Penix and to go you know, 367 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: just to drop in there. And I spent like an 368 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: hour with him, and I was like, you know, I 369 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: really ought to write this as just a straight Q 370 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: and A to give people at least, you know, if 371 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: they read the Athletic say Okay, this is who this 372 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: guy is, this is where he came from. And then 373 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: once you know where he came from, you can kind 374 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 3: of get a little bit of a sense of what 375 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: makes him so good because so much of what we think, 376 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna lump you guys in this too, is oh, 377 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: this guy is a real up and comer, is a 378 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: rising star because of some kind of scheme thing that 379 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: we can latch onto, right, you know. And Kleen de 380 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 3: Boor was a really good offense contator Indiana, and I 381 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: know that because big ten other coaches are like you. 382 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: The guy at Indiana's really good, and I don't eve 383 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: think I knew who he was, where he came from 384 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 3: or whatever pronounce his name. Then he goes to Fresno 385 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: and he's good, you know, yes, Jay Hayner and he's good. 386 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: And then Jimmy Lake, you know, is one of those 387 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: hires where I got it wrong. I thought Jimmy was 388 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: going to do terrific. It obviously was the opposite of terrific. 389 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: And then they hire Kaylen de Boor and they just 390 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: don't miss a bead, right, And so sometimes those guys. 391 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: And he's gotten to the point now where I think 392 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: he's become a sexy name, right, But if you told 393 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: me that would be the guy Texas A and M 394 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: would have gotten. Oh, that is a big splashy hire 395 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: right now. He's never coached down there. Jimbo had coached 396 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: in the SEC, you know, he'd been at Auburn, he'd 397 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: been at LSU, he won a national title and he 398 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: failed spectacularly. You know, there's no guarantees with this job. 399 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 3: I think what helped for you know, for Elco is 400 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: he had been there, he did you know, he was 401 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: part of when they were really when Jimbo at least 402 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: had a chance, it was when Elko was there, Right. 403 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: And so when you look at the sport in general, 404 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: are there or even this cycle, who are the hires 405 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: that resonate with you in that same way where you're like, 406 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: they've won it places where they typically don't. And it 407 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: would be a shocker to me if this coach or 408 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: these coaches don't hit whatever that ceiling is for that school, 409 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: Like if that school probably isn't ever going to win 410 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: more than nine games, this guy's gonna win nine games. 411 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: Is there that higher where you're like, I would bet 412 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: good money that this this guy is just a winner. 413 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the two schools that have won the 414 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: hiring cycle are too lane because they got some role 415 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 3: I think some just I don't know if I would 416 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 3: think he's going to win a national title there, but 417 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 3: like he was the one of those guys when he 418 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: was an assistant coach, just had a lot of conversations 419 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: with him about a lot of you know, evaluation stuff 420 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: in terms of prospects recruiting, like, no, guys who know 421 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: him like, oh, that was a great hire, Troy mate. 422 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: And then he went in there and he killed it Atroit, 423 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: and you know Duke didn't. You know, Duke seemed to 424 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 3: be more deliberate. They didn't go that direction, you know, 425 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 3: and good from any das that it worked out that way. 426 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: You know, if Texas A and m does hire Mark 427 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: Steukes John somerrol is the head coach at Kentucky, you know, 428 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't didn't happen that way. I think that's a 429 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: really good hire for Tulane, the other one who won, 430 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: even though they didn't. You know, it's going to be 431 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: weird to say it this way is Kansas because Michigan 432 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: State got hired and all these other schools got filled 433 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: and Kansas is paying more money or I expect them 434 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: to to keep Lance light Buld there. He lost his 435 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. But I think they'll be fine. And I 436 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: think that it's remarkable that they went through a hiring 437 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: cycle like this and he's still there. I maybe speak 438 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: too soon in Michigan may pop open and all of 439 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: a sudden it's like, oh, if we don't hire Sean Moore, 440 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: let's go get the guy who's doing the miracles and 441 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: Lawrence Kansas, but those are big. I like Jonathan Smith 442 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: as a head coach. I think he did really good 443 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: at Oregon, did really well at Oregon State, and as 444 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: you know, he like he's going to have a physical team, 445 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: and I think he I think he's about as normal 446 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: as a coach as you get as a head coach. 447 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: But that's a tough job. I mean, because they've been 448 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: to the playoff before. You know, Mel Tucker had a 449 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: I think an eleven and two season not that long ago, 450 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: and I think the job. Look, maybe maybe this is 451 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: a separate but like the Big Ten is different because 452 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: you know, Ohio State seems a touch more vulnerable or 453 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: maybe quite a bit more vulnerable than it did three 454 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 3: years ago. Michigan will see what happens post, you know, 455 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: whether post this season and then you have feel like 456 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: the real heavyweights are coming in from the Pacific Northwest. 457 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: You got two programs that are going full blast, that 458 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: get ani yel that have coaches who get it. You know, 459 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: USC as long as Lincoln's there could be dangerous. You know, 460 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: We'll see how Dan Lynn does running the defense. We'll 461 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: see what kind of adjustments Lincoln made, but you know, 462 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: you have you have those two schools. I don't know 463 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: what to feel about what was the Big Ten West. 464 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: I feel like that's just a bunch of at best, 465 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: pretty good programs. But you do have Oregon and Washington 466 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 3: going in there. And I think that's what makes it 467 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: a little harder if you're Jonathan Smith because Washington, Because 468 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: Michigan State is certainly a better brand than Oregon State was, 469 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: but it's relative. 470 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about those LA schools as they enter 471 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: into the Big Ten. A huge disappointment, I'm sure for 472 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: both the teams in the way that they ended their season. 473 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley makes the change the defensive coordinator. What's the 474 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: long term plan for USC? 475 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: Like? 476 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: Are they going heavy heavy portal out of necessity or 477 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: is it a choice? Because it seems like their strategy 478 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily align with Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clem 479 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: Like all of these teams aren't really building through the 480 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: portal dramatically in the way USC seems to want to 481 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: or need to. What's the plan? 482 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that the thing that's hard 483 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: for USC is. I don't. I don't know if there's 484 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: a fully formed strategy there. I don't. I mean, I 485 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: think one of the best things USC has done in 486 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: five years was hier Jen Cohen. I think she is 487 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: a really good ad. The people I know who worked 488 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: with their respect here greatly, and I think that's the 489 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: opposite of what they had hired, you know, before her, 490 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: And I think USC was USC tends to be about ooh, 491 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: there's a shiny object over there, right, and it's USC, 492 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: so some of it can work. But you know, I 493 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: have a story that I'm working on with our us 494 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 3: CB writer Antonio Morales, and one of the points somebody 495 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: has made to me is like, and I l is 496 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: a little different where it is. And what that meant, 497 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 3: what they meant by that is, you know, if you're 498 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, you have a lot of distractions. If 499 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: you're in Eugene, Oregon, or if you're in Corvallis, if 500 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: you're in you can name a lot of cities where 501 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: it's it's probably a little more manageable. I mean, US see, 502 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: this year was wildly dysfunctional. You know, you had the 503 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: most talented player in the country and they went seven 504 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: and five and they're lucky it wasn't worse than that. 505 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of mind blowing. And I don't know, 506 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 3: like I don't have a great feel for for you know, 507 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: what this is going to look like going forward at USC, 508 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: you know, Like I mean, I think Lincoln's really smart. 509 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what the direction that you have 510 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 3: like three collectives at USC. I feel like there's one 511 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 3: that has a little more of the most favored nation status, 512 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: but there's probably I don't know how much alignment you 513 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: have there, And to me, that's a that's a big challenge. 514 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: You obviously have have staff shake up, you know. I 515 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: like Dan Lynn. I think he's a really smart young coach, 516 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: and he did really well at UCLA. Now, to be honest, 517 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: he's probably had better players at UCLA on the d 518 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: line than what he's going to have right now. I mean, 519 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 3: he did not have There was nobody who is a 520 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: lot like a lot to somehow, you know, the things 521 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: didn't go the way they did with the medical situation 522 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: a lot too. Still at Washington, and they probably win 523 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: the playoff if they have him. They only have two 524 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: terrific defensive ends, but you have him and. 525 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: He medically retired though from Washington, right. I think that's 526 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: what it was. 527 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: You know, he had to be he was not able 528 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: to play well. Clear him and then you know the 529 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: medical situation. They had another doctor who cleared him and 530 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: went through you know, certain things. I mean, I mean, 531 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: to me, he's he was the most dominant defensive player. 532 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: This wasn't like a Dominican Sue kind of year for 533 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: college football. But I would argue he was as good 534 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: as defensive players there was, you know, so but they 535 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: got after people they had really you know, I thought 536 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 3: they had a good D line and and you know, 537 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: I think Denton could do well. It's just it's you know, 538 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: I did this big story in the summer for The 539 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: Athletic about the life of an area defensive coordinator because 540 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: you know, we talk a lot on our podcast about 541 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 3: like who the good defensive coordinators are. And I said 542 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: to Stu, I was like, who do you think is good? 543 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 3: Because chances are of you who think is good probably 544 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: works at a place where everybody hates the offensive coordinator. 545 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: Not a coincidence. 546 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And across town, it seems like things are just 547 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: falling apart for UCLA. You know, Chip Kelly gets the 548 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: retention signal from from the bosses at in Westwood. But 549 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: it seems UCLA losing the best quarterback recruit they've ever had, 550 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: losing defensive starters, losing their defensive coordinator. It seems that 551 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: we kind of all know how this is going to end. 552 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: What's it like at UCLA right now? Ahead of a 553 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: pretty major move with seemingly no juice. 554 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: I think that you have a lot of the people 555 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: who are around the program feel like they're over it 556 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: and they're checked out. And you had two brutal losses 557 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: in there. The one to Arizona State, I think was 558 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: more of a head scratcher to me, to be honest, 559 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: because they just, you know, Arizona State wasn't very good 560 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: and they laid an egg at home. Then they turn 561 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: around and they have Garber's and they whip the USC. 562 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: You know, but I think other people will look at 563 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: that and say, all right, that just shows how bad 564 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: USC was. Then the next week, Garber's gets hurt and 565 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: then Dante Moore, and Dante Moore was dealing with, you know, 566 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: some family health issues and a bunch of stuff, and 567 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: he did not look ready to play, and he really struggled, 568 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: and you know, you know, credit to Cal, I mean 569 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: justin Wilcocks got him just you know, six and six 570 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: and they were playing you know, at one point with 571 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: felt like their third string quarterback. But they just felt 572 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: like they were they couldn't get to the finish line 573 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: fast enough. You know, one point they were like number 574 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: nineteen in the country and then they they losing to 575 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: Arizona is no shame. That's a good team, like Jeedfish 576 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: has done really well. Noah Fafida's rolling. You know, they 577 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: have more buzz probably than anybody left outside of the Huskies, 578 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: you know in that conference right now. The way they finished. 579 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: But Arizona State was a brutal loss, and Cal was 580 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: a brutal loss. And I'm curious to see what shows 581 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: up for them this weekend against Boise State. You know 582 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: it's the facto home game. 583 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: No starting quarterback, no backup quarterback for Boise State either. 584 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: No, I mean you have the I mean the defense 585 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: cordators are now the head coach the cod DC is 586 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: going to be is you know we reported this Yesterday's 587 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: going to be a new defense quarterator in Nevada. So 588 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: he's leaving. But you have you know, no law to 589 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: for UCLA you have, you know, they've lost some assistance. 590 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: Now it's understandable Gunderson went back to to you know, 591 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: Oregon State to be the OC. They had a tight 592 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: ends coach Jeff Ferris, who goes to be a you know, 593 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: an SCS head coach. Obviously Danton Linn. It's not surprising 594 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: Danton Lynn left because they were going to pay him 595 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: way more than UCLA can pay him. And honestly, they 596 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: paid him way more than anybody. I mean, Dan Lynn 597 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: coming off one year, they were going to pay him 598 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: a three They're going to pay him a three year 599 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: contract at two million per plus like a half a 600 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 3: million dollar housing allowance like UCLA. And I'm not surprised, 601 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: you say, like, even if it was Jimmy Leonard who 602 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: had a much longer track record or whoever, I don't 603 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: think they were getting to that point. I was actually 604 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: surprised UCLA was even going to pay a million. But 605 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: you know, in some ways, and I've said this a 606 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 3: lot in our podcast over the last couple of weeks 607 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: when we talk about UCLA, is if you've talked to 608 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: like a Rick new Heisler or somebody's worked there, they 609 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: do not have the commitment. It's not right, like, yes, 610 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 3: you're in a big recruiting base, it's but you're not. 611 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: They're not winning, gonna wins. 612 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: Not a serious place. 613 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: No, they're not committed to it, like Oregon, they're not 614 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: committed to it, Like Washington. They're absolutely not committed to it, 615 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: like like USC in terms of don't have the money 616 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: to throw around. They just don't. And so you know, 617 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: if you have a quarterback who they were going to 618 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: get involved with, nil, and then the deal doesn't even 619 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: like go to the way you think it may go, 620 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: It's like that's not what they're working with, you know. 621 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: I mean I think for a lot of people there, 622 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: it's like if you win eight wins, if you have 623 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: eight wins, you know, that's probably like the about the expectation. 624 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: You know, we were just talking about Ohio State. We 625 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: obviously talked about USC. Ucla is not you know, there 626 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 3: may be a portion of their fans who are like, 627 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: have that hope. They're not committing to that. That's just 628 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: like you know, and I don't know, you know, if 629 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: you know UCLA moves on from ship Kelly a year 630 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: from now, say, I don't know who they get. Who's 631 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: going to jump in there and be like okay, and 632 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: you're going to get the commitment to think that you're 633 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: gonna have top ten teams in the in the Big ten. 634 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case because we're in a 635 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: different era now than we were ten years ago, where 636 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: you know, you have to be investing money into nil, 637 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: you have to be in that game. If you are not, 638 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 3: I don't care who the head coach is, he is 639 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: not going to He's not going to win a lot 640 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: of football games because you're going to lose a lot 641 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 3: of players. 642 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: Let's leave LA and as somebody who left the LA 643 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: area and succeeded, met my wife, head kids, everything like that. 644 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: A lot of people have left LA and succeeded in 645 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: the college football universe. We had a Heisman Trophy winner 646 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 2: who left Modern Day and went to Alabama and won 647 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: a Heisman Trophy. We've had Lane Kiffin leave LA and 648 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: become a really strong head coach. Steve Sarkisian is another 649 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: one of those names. What has he done not just 650 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: since leaving LA because you've spent a lot of time 651 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 2: around him, both with USC but also during his times. 652 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 2: It stops Bama and now Texas. What has he done 653 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: to take this Texas program that seemed like a place 654 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: that wasn't aligned and couldn't get its act together and 655 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: gotten the Texas act together. What has been his evolution? 656 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: His evolution? He really took some of the biggest key, 657 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 3: you know, ingredients to what makes Nick Saban successful and 658 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 3: brought them to Texas. Because Sark has always been very charismatic. 659 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: He has always been a guy who had had a real, 660 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: real good feel for play calling. What I think he 661 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: learned there was the consistency piece and that you have 662 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: to have the physicality. Remember, like people may not like 663 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: to hear this, but like USC at its core wants 664 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: to be you know, super physical and lean on people. 665 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: That's what the identity was. It may not be that now, right, 666 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 3: That's what it used to be and that's what Pete 667 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: Carroll wanted it to be. Like, you know, Reggie was 668 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 3: the flash guy, Lindell White was the hammer, you know, 669 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: like they were a nasty team, you know back in 670 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: the day. You know, yeah, they had flashy guys, but 671 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: Lendell Wi was two hundred and fifty pounds and he 672 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: was going to lean on you, you know, they had 673 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: those guys back in the day, and I think Sark 674 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: got that and so you know what he did I 675 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 3: think was critical was he hired some of the best 676 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: assistants that Alabama had had. You know, he got Kyle Flood, 677 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: a really good offensive line coach, to come with him 678 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: to Texas. He got Bo Davis who had been at 679 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: and Tuscals. He got Jeff Banks, who's a really good 680 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 3: recruiter to go leave Nick Saban's staff. And then you 681 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 3: know a name you guys will know from his time 682 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: in the Pack Pac twelve, Pete Kitkowski, really good defensive coordinator, 683 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 3: got him to go. Like he put together a really 684 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 3: really good staff that I think complimented him well, you 685 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: know in terms of like, you know, he's very good 686 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: in the past game, but I think he knew, I 687 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: need to lean into the run game. That's what they 688 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 3: want to do, and me that's why they're built to thrive. 689 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: You know. It used to be a remember back in 690 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 3: the day was whatever seven wins Sark or whatever, people 691 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 3: would call him right, but there would always be one 692 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 3: or two of these games where they really be like 693 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: what happened there? And you just don't really see a 694 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 3: lot of that now now, certainly because I think they're 695 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: way more physical than the rest of the Big twelve 696 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 3: and they have just way better athletes. But I think 697 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: that's what's changed, you know. And I don't you know, 698 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is the year they win 699 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 3: the national title. But Texas is like my thing this year, 700 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 3: and it was from you know, we do a bunch 701 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 3: of the games, and I talked to a lot of 702 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 3: coaches who either play them or have been around there, 703 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 3: and the one thing that's come back to me is like, 704 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 3: because I was, you know, like the whole Texas is 705 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: back and Joe Tess's you know, line gets played up 706 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 3: or whatever is to me, the one thing I would 707 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 3: say is Texas is different. This this Texas team much 708 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: different than the you know, whatever was going on with 709 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 3: Tom Herman or before, where they were like wildly inconsistent 710 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: and didn't have really much of an identity. You know, 711 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 3: they have enough talent to be a little dangerous at times. 712 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 3: This is a different group, and so I think to 713 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: Sark's credit, he learned a lot from his time around 714 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 3: Nick Saban, and I think he's evolved, and I think 715 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 3: unlike maybe Lane, you know, they get lumped together a 716 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 3: lot because for all sorts of reasons. But I think 717 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 3: his persona is different from Lane's where I don't think 718 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 3: Sark cares at all about being on social media or 719 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 3: wants anybody to think he's he's cool, or he's this 720 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,959 Speaker 3: or that. I just think at the end of the day, 721 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: you know, it's about like, Okay, what's the product I'm 722 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 3: putting on the field, And I think that fits right 723 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 3: now for where Texas identity needs to be. 724 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: Not everybody can be Matt Rule on social media with 725 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: the emojis, just the way it is. Nobody's perfect. Bruce 726 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: coach Prime, coach Prime crazy season. We had mass conference realignment, 727 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: Connor stallions, the Florida State controversy, the transfer portal, the 728 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: coaching carousel, all of these things kind of happening in tandem. 729 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: But coach Prime, Coach Prime, arguably the story of this 730 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: college football season, for better or worse, certainly kicked up 731 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: a ton of dust in Boulder, not just with the 732 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: way the season started, but with the way it ended 733 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: and now with the way I think it is going 734 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: into a second portal cycle with him at the helm. 735 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: What does the coaching industry think of coach Prime Dion Sanders, 736 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: and the state of that program, the sustainability of it, 737 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: the trajectory of it. 738 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 3: I think they snicker a little bit it because it 739 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 3: last year's team or this past year's team was built 740 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 3: kind of like a seven on seven team, right, and 741 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 3: really good seal guys. And I was like, but you 742 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 3: whiffed on the O line and you and you didn't 743 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: have that. How could you expect to talk so big 744 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: with not having all of that going on? Well, you 745 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: guys have been paying attention in the last week. He 746 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: got the number one offensive tackle recruit in the country, 747 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 3: and he's got a bunch of guys. Now I think 748 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 3: it's like a half dozen offensive linemen who are seem 749 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: like they're more than serviceable because they played a bunch. Now, 750 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 3: how can you get cohesive and how does that work? 751 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 3: Like Phil Loadholt will have an interesting job. That's a 752 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 3: new offensive line coach and people remember, you know, towering 753 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 3: offensive lineman at ou Can you get it cohesive? Can 754 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 3: you build it? They're going to go on the Big twelve, 755 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 3: which I think will be a little easier than what 756 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: they were facing in the Pac twelve. You know, he's 757 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 3: got Shador which is a really good building block. I 758 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 3: was impressed with Shador, you know, seeing him in person 759 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 3: a bunch just you know, he's accurate, he's smart, he's tough, 760 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 3: and that's a good building block. They have good receivers. 761 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 3: I do think it's it's weird because there was so 762 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: much splash. They went from one win to four wins, 763 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 3: which was kind of how I think some of us 764 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 3: thought it would be. We just didn't think it would 765 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: be all on the front end of the table. And 766 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 3: there's probably like two or three other games where they 767 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: could have won. But then you had like there was 768 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: a game I was in studio where they played in Pullman, 769 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 3: and we had heard in the earlier in the day 770 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 3: that Dion was already sick to begin with, and just 771 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 3: like he looked miserable out in Pullman pre game, you know, 772 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 3: because we had the cameras or whatever, and then they 773 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 3: just got slaughter and it was like nobody wanted to 774 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 3: be in Pullman that day. It looked like, right, Schudor 775 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: got knocked out of the game and everything, and that's 776 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 3: a tough, lasting, you know, impression for them. But now 777 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 3: again the portal, they're kicking up a lot of a 778 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of dust. I think they're doing 779 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 3: pretty good job in that regard. You know, if he 780 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 3: goes from one win to four wins and next year 781 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 3: they went eight or nine, and I think that's I 782 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 3: actually do think that's possible in the Big Twelve without 783 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 3: Texas at Ou. I mean, they may be able to 784 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 3: win more than that. I don't know. I mean Shador 785 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 3: is really good and they have some really good talent, 786 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 3: at least top level talent. So whether the coaches like 787 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 3: him or not, you know, I know there's some stuff 788 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 3: he says that they don't like, and I think there's 789 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 3: some stuff that he says that they're like, I could 790 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 3: never say that and get away with it. It's like, no, 791 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: you couldn't, but you didn't. You know, you're not in 792 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame and you were not. Like the 793 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 3: weird thing with with Dion, Like week week one, we're 794 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: in in Fort Worth and they're they're about to beat 795 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: TCU and I won't say who it was, but one 796 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: of my coworkers was like, you know, kind of made 797 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 3: the cases, Like now a lot of schools are going 798 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: to give a chance to like this legend to a 799 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 3: legendary player, and I was like, the part that's different 800 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: is like Eddie George great obviously as a trophy winner, 801 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 3: great player is a head coach at you know in 802 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: in fcf US, there's a lot of there's there's a 803 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 3: handful of like great players out there and might want 804 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: to be coaches. But it's a combination of being great 805 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 3: player and insanely charismatic one of one. Yeah, yeah, there 806 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 3: is like the only thing Like last year at the 807 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: at the conference meetings in Arizona, I was around Dion 808 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: a little bit because some of my bosses at Fox 809 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: worked with them an NFL network and they know him 810 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 3: in a different way and have like they're they have 811 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 3: good relationships with him. So I got to see Dion 812 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: kind of behind the camp offline and observe that. And 813 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 3: I said to stew you know, when I got back, 814 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I just watched him for like 815 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 3: an hour and it was like kind of like just 816 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 3: it was remarkable to see And the only other person 817 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 3: I can think of who is that was anything in 818 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 3: that orbit of charismaild Brant's Charles Barkley and the one 819 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 3: common thread. And I'm not saying he's quite like Dion 820 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 3: as a you know, as a speaker, but like super 821 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 3: comfortable in their own skin, which most people at that 822 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 3: level just aren't and they're not at that level to 823 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 3: begin with or whatever. And so when I said this too, 824 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 3: I was like, who do you think is charismatic as 825 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 3: a college football coach? And he struggled with it, and 826 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 3: at one point he threw out the name Shane Beemer, 827 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, not a knock on 828 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 3: Shane Beemer, come down? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's just 829 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: like wow. So this is the point though, you know, 830 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 3: it's like, I get it why nineteen twenty year olds 831 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 3: are going to be awed by Dion And so yeah, 832 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: you had staff shakeup and some of those things were 833 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 3: really unwieldy and messy, and you know, but we're not 834 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 3: looking away. 835 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: No, we're certainly not. Bruce Feldman, the Athletic Fox Sports, 836 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: the Audible podcast, you know where to find his fine work. 837 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: I will get you out of here on this, Bruce. 838 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: It can simply be a yes or no question. How 839 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: close were we to either a crazy hire or recruitment, 840 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: or retirement or transfer or just some sort of bombshell 841 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: college football thing to actually happening, But nobody outside of 842 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: you knows about it. 843 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: I think there's one bombshell thing on the bad news 844 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 3: side of it that I don't know if it ever liked. 845 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 3: There's a couple of things I'm like, well this ever 846 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 3: come to light, will it ever be reportable that you 847 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 3: know I've heard to be true that I think would 848 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 3: be kind. 849 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: Of mindful, like within the last year, within. 850 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 3: The last two months. But I don't know if those 851 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 3: things get to be able to be reportable. 852 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 2: Meaning all right, redd it start speculating based only on 853 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 2: what Bruce just said. 854 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: That's it. 855 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: Very good. Bruce Felman, always generous with his time. It's 856 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: been too long. We'll we'll have to have you back 857 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: again sometime soon. Thank you as always. 858 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I miss you guys. I appreciate you having Thank you. 859 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 2: We'll do it more often, all right, Dan, you know 860 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 2: what Bruce Feldman, Yes, sir, always going to talk to 861 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 2: Bruce shares his insight with with us again. 862 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: Make sure you go out and check him out at 863 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: the Athletic Fox Sports the Audible podcast, which he does 864 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: with friend of the show Stuart Mandel. Ah, it's good 865 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: times for a long time since we had Bruce in 866 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: the show. So it's always the best. 867 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 2: I loved hearing all of that and can't wait for 868 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 2: the rampant speculation about the end of that interview. 869 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: How about it? All right? It is bull season. Bull 870 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: season is kicking into high gear. We told you at 871 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 1: the top of the show to get into our Winter 872 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 1: Wonders Bowl pool. Just because it's the postseason doesn't mean 873 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: that we're done here giving our bets. You know, I've 874 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: hit two in a row of my themed parlays. We're 875 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: going to try to make it three today. 876 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 3: Hi versus the World, d. 877 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 2: Time versus the World presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook. 878 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: Two in a row on those themed parlays. 879 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 2: Pretty good. 880 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: We hit the big blowout parlay in week fourteen with 881 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: Michigan and their win, their shutout win over Iowa. And 882 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: then we hit the Army Navy one improbably last week 883 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: because Army took the safety to close that game out. 884 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: I cannot begin to describe to you the emotional roller 885 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: coaster of Navy randomly going for two points on their 886 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: previous touchdown, knowing I only needed an extra point to 887 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: win the bet. They don't do it. They missed a 888 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: two point conversion. They drive all the way down the field, 889 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: they get stopped at like the two inch yard line, 890 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: and then the realization, yeah, that army just should take 891 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: the safety. It hit me about two minutes before they 892 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: actually did. I was screaming at my TV, screaming at 893 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: my TV in I probable way to win a bet. 894 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: So today we're trying to keep the trend going. Here, 895 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: you're going for the hat trick, try and get three 896 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: in a row. There are a bunch of bowl games 897 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: this weekend. The cal Texas Tech game I think has 898 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: potential to be all kinds of fun. This game is 899 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: on Saturday nights, one of the later games. I've got 900 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: a combination play of three selections here. I think they're 901 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: gonna be points in this game. I like Texas Tech. 902 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: I think they are gonna be points. So it is 903 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 1: a simple combination of Texas Tech minus three of over 904 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: twenty eight and a half first half points and over 905 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 1: fifty eight points for the game. So if you're watching, 906 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: we hate betting unders here. The only reason that I 907 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: would bet under is if we're talking about like Iowa. 908 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: They were talking about like I don't I'll bet under 909 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: with Iowa, but otherwise don't really like to do that, 910 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, So this is a play on We're going 911 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: Texas Tech minus to three, We're going over first half, 912 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: We're going over fifty eight for the game. How does that? 913 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: How does that feel to you? 914 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 2: It feels pretty good, And it feels pretty good because 915 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 2: Texas Tech, with the way they finished the year, obviously 916 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 2: not great against Texas, but Cal had one of the 917 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 2: worst rushing attack rushing defense is excuse me, and Taj 918 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 2: Brooks announced he was coming back for Texas tack He 919 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 2: was remarkably consistent for a team beat up at quarterback, 920 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 2: and so it seems like a nice matchup for there 921 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 2: to be points. Cal down its offensive coordinator, but they 922 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 2: themselves have a good running back going against a somewhat 923 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 2: shaky Texas Tech DA those a pretty good Texas Tech defense, 924 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 2: but I think Jade not and the rushing attack for 925 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 2: Cal can get loose some, so I don't hate it. Yeah, 926 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 2: I'm looking here, right here. The Texas Tech rushing rush 927 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 2: defense finished around seventieth in SP plus, so right about average. 928 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 2: Only I think points is nice. 929 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: Look Downald the Draftking sportsbook app now use the code solid. 930 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: New customers get one hundred and fifty instantly in bonus 931 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: bets for betting just five dollars on basketball only over 932 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: on Draftking sports Book with the code solid the crown 933 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: is yours. There we have it big. Thanks again to 934 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: our guest of honor Bruce Feldman. Make sure you do 935 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: get in our bullpool at Playwinterwonders dot com. 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