WEBVTT - Will MomTok Survive This? 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.080 All right, so we are doing a separate episode because 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.319 heads are spinning on this one. I mean, guys, there's 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.640 so many articles that are just like pow pow pow, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.400 and then it's like Jesse and then I'm like, it's 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.200 it's a lot every hour talk. I mean, there's so 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.080 it's just like I went on US Weekly and it's 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.400 just headline after headline after headline. But then it's like 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.440 Jesse's in there, and then her husband's putting Jordan a 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.479 restraining room. I'm like, what is happening? Interesting timing though, 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.120 and I probably would have done the same thing. You know, 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.120 you want to slide something in so that way, you 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.440 know what I mean, because you don't you don't want 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.320 all the eyes on it. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.600 But also everyone's watching them right now in general, so 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.600 I feel like maybe interesting timing, but also like everyone's 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.519 so invested in all of them that I don't know. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.320 I don't think it worked because not everybody's like and 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:53.640 this too. I don't know. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:59.560 Well, obviously, last week, hours later after we recorded our episode, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.000 Theorette canceled the season. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.120 Yes, I'm now. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.120 Having even though I I know what I said. There 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.559 was even an article that came out. I'm now having 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.760 mixed reactions about the whole thing, same, same, and about 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.479 them canceling it. And I actually listened to Nick Faile's podcast. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.039 You know, they had he had a lawyer on the show, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.800 he had an editor on the show, and I was 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.360 on my walk this morning, so I was I like 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.559 his take on things, and so I was listening to 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.280 his take on it, and it is very interesting because 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.560 they I mean, she had mentioned many times that she 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.480 threw the stool, and you know, I mean all all 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.959 the things were in that twenty twenty three report and 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.039 you know, the and he was even saying like some 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.720 people don't even get on the show because they have 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.400 a parking ticket, you know, So like clearly ABC knew. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.920 Oh yeah, they do major background. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.560 Yeah. And so then for them to pull and it's like, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.760 were you just then setting her up to fail? Because 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.920 and that's what he had based that's what Nick had said, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.000 Like it's like they were setting her up to fail 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.880 because they knew this information, you know, and they still 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.720 went with casting her right and people's lives and families 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.000 in their live reduction. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.200 Yeah, all of that see I see it differently. I 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.560 think they obviously knew about it. And that's what I 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.360 was even kind of saying last week. I was like, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.280 she was charged for this, yes, in twenty twenty three, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.800 Like we know she was charged with this. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.160 The other one was a separate incident that we haven't 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.720 seen video footage of whatever. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.880 So if we're just talking about the twenty twenty three 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.040 now I understand it's coming up again because a new 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.760 incident just happened. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.880 And the video was released in twenty twenty. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.200 Three, right, Yes, Having said that, who. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.840 Released the video we don't know yet, but he has 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.440 the copyright. He's Dakota's people saying that it's not wasn't him, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.200 but he's technically the copyright and this is again what 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.320 I learned from the Bile files. But he's a technically 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.120 has he's the copyrighted person, So he could have sold 0:02:55.120 --> 0:03:00.800 the copyright of the video to someone else else. My 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.320 theory is maybe the ex husband of the of the 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.400 kid that was her daughter that was hit in the video, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.600 something in that kind of world where maybe that was 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.840 him also trying to sabotage or or get this that 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:22.320 video out. I don't know, but that is he'd have 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.400 had to have sold it or something well, or it 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.359 could have Again, now I'm saying this too. There's been 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.440 videos or pictures that I've sure we've all sent to 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.760 each other that I now have it. And if there's 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.800 not a good there's a bad egg in there. That 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.640 person could then sabotage and send to a paper to 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.440 get money or an outlet. So sure, but you then 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.520 hear all the things about how they say Dakota sabotages 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.280 and and maybe when he pressed plays again, we're taking 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.560 the abuse abuses not okay, I'm just what was the 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.040 five minute it's before the recording two right the timetime 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:04.800 it's released seen. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.760 Yeah, let me go back a minute to the first 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.600 thought though on the ABC taking it when they did 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.480 taking it off air, my thing is is they obviously 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.320 knew about it. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.480 She was charged for it. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.800 It was out there, she's talked about it, they did 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.520 a background check. My thing on that is is the 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.160 only reason in my opinion, they ended up taking down 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.479 was because of all the pushback, because of the video, 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.000 because because the video came out, because he did that, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.880 and now they're like, what do we do? Half of 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.120 the world is saying you need to take the show 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.200 down half the world. It doesn't. It was just a shoot, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.039 what do we do, Like we got to take this 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:41.560 down now. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.040 But also to the point of what I was the pod, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.760 you know, listening to the podcast this morning, they were 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.320 filming Mormon wives during them too, So they were just 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.560 feeding into the abuse of the situation and the sadness 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.960 of around her mental health too. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:57.280 You know. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.000 I know they paused for ten to eleven months after 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.520 for this incident, but still you went ahead knowing that 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.200 these you're putting these two people together on camera in 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.919 a room, and it's kind of makes me sad the 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.000 whole situation that they were feeding into the mental health of. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.120 I agree, and I think that's kind of where I'm 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.599 going with it. Is kind of like I no, no, you're fine. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.320 It's just essentially they got caught, is what it feels like. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.160 Is like they were going to roll with all of it, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.880 knowing everything, knowing what was going on, but they got 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.719 to a point where it was like, oh, crap, now 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.520 we look bad because we knew all of this and 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:32.479 we need to bring it down. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:33.640 That's how I feel. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.839 I feel, like, like you said, they were filming stuff 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.240 they're putting people, you know, for the other show, they're 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.960 putting people in these positions. They knew who she was, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.880 they knew she was in her love life a bit 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.919 of a train wreck for not you know, not to 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.520 be a mean but you know, her love life has 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.800 been up and down. They wanted that, you know, That's 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.279 why I thought they were going to get more eyeballs 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:52.560 on it. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.039 And they probably thought so too. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.360 But then it just got to a point where it's, ok, Okay, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.719 now you're getting called out for essentially promoting violence that 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.560 were now all seeing. And I think that's where they 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.279 got scared. But they should be scared because now and 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.240 again I think that, you know, I did say last 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.160 week that they should bring it down, you know, I 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.159 did think that. I'm now back and forth as well 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:16.880 on whether they should have. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.360 But yeah, I still think they should have. I mean, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.080 I've still they still should. I agreed they should. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.440 If you did, if you did a simple background, I 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:28.359 mean you did. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.720 That was my whole point last week. Yeah, we are 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.960 just making the wrong people famous. Yeah, we're just feeding 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.360 a beast. And that is nothing against any of these women. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:44.240 I just am watching listen. I saw very brief and 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.560 a long time four score and seven years ago, when 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.400 there was no social media, what reality TV is, what 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.680 it really is, and how it can feed and how 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.320 you can promote it, how more money comes with more episodes, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.200 and more money comes with more drama. And I also 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.240 saw first hand and how if you're not at storm, you're. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.680 Out right well and if someone someone posted something that 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.520 was quite funny, I believe it was Alison on my 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.160 Instagram and she goes, listen, we grew up on Real 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.280 World and Jersey Shores, like The Air the Achelorette, you 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.120 know what I mean? Like this is like right, this 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.560 is what we get it. At the same time, again, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.040 I agree to your point. I don't think they should 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.080 have ever picked her in the beginning because of knowing 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.680 this information and if it was reversed that whole thing. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.120 Having said that too, I'm like, well, there's a piece 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.320 of me that would watch it. But now knowing everything, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:32.640 I still think they did the right thing. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.360 Yeah, And that's a hard one. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.680 It's like, you know, you're a human and you're like 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.440 curious and you want to watch you know, we've all 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.760 been kind of in a way trained with this reality 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.040 TV to want to watch the train wreck, Like that's 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.120 why we watched this stuff half the time. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.440 I will say, though, this latest up, the latest season, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.119 it's so heavy, so many people have said so much 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.840 happening that I I can't finish it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.840 I know too much. It's too heavy. It's just it's 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:15.520 too much. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.200 Sometimes you want to be able to look at a 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.160 train wreck, but it be like not so like you know. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:27.080 I want to say or wherever bring the I'm just 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.320 like it's like it's like and I'm and this is 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.560 what's so sad is these are the people's lives, you 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.960 know what I mean? And I feel so awful. But 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.480 and as a viewer, it is starting to feel just 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.800 kind of dark. It's also feeling like we shouldn't. It's 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:40.880 like and I don't want to turn it on. I 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.040 don't want to. I don't want to be being like 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.719 a viewer. Yeah, I feel bad the deal with it, Like, 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.640 I don't want to feed into that this is the 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.000 numbers and this is what we need. Let them privately 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.280 deal with it. I want happiness for all of them, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.360 but I don't like I feel like I'm feeding into 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.680 the beast by tuning it right, Yeah, and it is 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.120 like a weird feeling, like when there's this fine line 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.560 reality hits where you feel like you open the door 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.000 while someone's having an argument and you're like, ooh, you 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.200 know it's like that, like you're just like I don't 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.320 think I want to and just in general, like our 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.720 nervous systems, like a lot of us have lived these situations, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.600 so I don't need to relive like yea, you know, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.680 for my own like like mental health, I guess or something. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:25.200 Yeah. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.640 It's been really interesting also to see people go to 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.559 social media with their takes and I mean, I can 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.160 see all to me, there's no side to this. And 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.840 that's the thing that's been so interesting is everyone now 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:39.520 wants to give. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.200 A side to everything. Everything. You pick a side. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.000 There is no and I'm like, how are we picking 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.240 a side except for the children in this and this? 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:48.760 You know? 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.920 I mean, I'm like, we're how are you team Dakota 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.719 or team Taylor? It's all a mess, you know, And 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.559 it's like, yes, she did this, we don't know what 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.840 he did. Five minutes before that, like you were you 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.600 know where you were saying, we we don't know if 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.280 he did this. Released it to sabotage her. We don't know, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.880 we don't know, but there's not I'm not understanding these 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.240 people going, Okay, this might not be a popular take, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.080 but I'm on this side, and I'm like, there's no 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.720 sides to this. They just need to get healthy, both 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:14.360 of them. 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:14.840 Yeah. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.800 And the children are the are the ones that. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.199 Are not right. Yeah. And I you know, I actually 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.200 slid into a Bethany Frankel. She was talking about something 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.959 about how it's they were saying reactive abuse, and I 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.920 actually went in the comments, I said it's violent resistance 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:30.199 d D. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.679 I saw that, yeah, or her talking about it. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.880 Yeah, And I ended up actually pulling my comment and 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.400 a lot of people were HERD, you know, we're harding it. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.880 But then people were coming and being like, all right, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.320 if this was a guy and this is and there's 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.400 so many people that don't understand the DV world as well, 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.680 and I'm like, I can't fight with a bunch with 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.800 Bethany Frankel's people, and I was just like, I ended 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.560 up just deleting the comment because I'm like I and 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.320 I texted Amy too, I said, hey, will you come 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.880 on the podcast and talk about violence violent resistance and 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.240 she's in Montana right now, but she said she would 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:00.920 love to come on because I think there needs to 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.360 be a bigger conversation and then her explaining it, because 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.160 me explaining violent resistance is just from what I hear 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.680 from her and what I know from DV. But I 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.720 think it's important for people to be educated on that 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:19.720 because when you haven't been in that toxic, violent, abusive situation, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.400 you don't understand all the nuances that go with it, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.840 and both things happening are not okay, right, So like 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:32.960 there's never justification for this, but there are psychological things 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.640 that happen to you and when you're inn abusive relationships. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.719 So I think that needs to be described, like from 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.120 an Amy. Yeah, And that's where I'm like, I'm out 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.040 of this kind I'm because I'm like, I can't if 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.439 you haven't been in this situation, you don't understand. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.839 Yeah, well, I wondered that same thing because I watched 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.440 Bethany's saying and I didn't know. So it would be 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.480 very good for Amy to come on and to explain. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.360 Is there also reactive abuse? Is that also a thing? 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.280 Are these two different things? But you were explaining and 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.960 reactive abuse, I had all those same thoughts, and I 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.680 wanted I would love more information on that because to 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.800 me they sound like a little bit different. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.240 But I don't know. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, So. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.360 I would love to and people don't know that you 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.960 are not educated on that. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.600 That could be in the sweet spot though, of what 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.680 comes out of this. That was my whole point last week, 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.720 like we turn the cameras off, let's get a family 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.800 system healthy. But if there was any good that can 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.800 come out of this, it's us learning more about Sure, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.680 all of this is a culture, so it's not so 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.000 one side one side, And Amy does a really good 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.400 job of describing because a lot of people are like, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.679 if this was a man and their react There is 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.360 a difference, and I hate the double standard with that 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.120 piece of it too, But there is a difference, and 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.040 Amy does a way better job explaining it than I will. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.840 And I'd rather them quote her than me, just too, yeah, 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.200 because she is you know, and none of it. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.360 Is okay at the end of the days. You just 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.640 have to understand the psychology and the what happens the 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:08.280 nuances within a domestic violence violent domestic violence relationship DV situation. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.400 So I just think there's so much more to it. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:15.880 H Yeah, well, and understanding that those things are there 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.160 and there's reasons that this is happening and why it's toxic, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.160 but not saying it's okay. And that's like when you 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.960 keep saying, but it's not okay, you know, And it 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.280 can feel on social media when people are like, it's this, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.280 it's this, it's this, and it kind of stops there, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.400 but we have to keep saying but it's still not okay, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.520 and we have to learn and we have to They 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.840 need to get help. Both of them need to get help. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.640 When it comes to yeah, I would assume he also 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.000 has been it. You know, they have said that he 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.120 has also been violent as well, So assuming that he 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.440 has also been violent as well, they both need to 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.040 get help and get off cameras. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.800 Exactly just for the love private time. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.839 But what else is is there anything else? So then 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.719 what else is new with So Doug is. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.640 The bachelor she chose right, Doug got there apparently he's 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.000 the one that got the final. He looks so much 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.240 like her, it's like she has a type. It's wild. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.360 Yeah, her ex like her ex husband or Dakota. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.560 Dakota she was a lot like I was like, well. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.600 I still wonder where her ex husband is and all 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.800 of this, but that's just smart and off camera. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.480 Yeah, sorry, luckily, but but there is so Doug is 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.400 the one she picked in the Bachelorette, and they did 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.880 get engaged on the show. But then I think, didn't 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.480 something just came out. We're gonna we're gonna fact check. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.560 Oh this is what he said. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.160 In light of everything that's happened. I'm just sending out 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.360 prais to Taylor because that was her moment, and her 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.520 moment was blocked. So all we can do right now 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.040 is be hopeful. And I'm headed off to run to 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:50.960 watch the sunrise. Hope you guys have a great day. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.360 Let's stay positive and show nothing but support for people 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.200 and need cheers. Apparently, though, apparently she got back together 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.640 with Dakota after film and then obviously all that other 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.640 stuff came out. So she slept with Dakota the night 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.480 before she left, apparently, and then she goes on the 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:12.120 Bachelor and she bachelorettes it up. She goes she was ready. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.880 She was saying she wasn't ready, you know. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.960 She says she wasn't ready before she went on. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.920 That's what I was hearing on the Bile Files. Yes, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.080 it could have been. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.240 True because she definitely slept with her right other's child 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:23.880 the night before. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.360 So this we need to then not sign up for 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:27.840 things when we're not ready. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.800 Right, So then I'm like, I get it's sweet Doug. Okay, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.800 So then Doug is now they're offering Doug. Is this 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.400 rumor or fact? We need producer Hannah, our resident JOm 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.400 Talk Secret Life Mormon Wives expert, has to tell us 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.000 if Doug has confirmed that he is going to be 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:46.320 the next Bachelor. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.040 Yet nothing has been confirmed. He just there was a comy. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:50.840 There was just a comment saying like, oh, he should 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.160 be the next and he's like, let's go. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.920 So people feel bad for him? Well, and I mean 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.240 I have ever every contest heard a lot of the 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.760 contestants re upset because I mean, they obviously wanted to 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.200 be on this show for a reason. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.960 Do you want to have maybe some more Instagram followers 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.520 to promote your businesses? I mean a lot of people 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.480 have been very fortunate after these shows to have you know, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.400 the influencing world or their supplement or their gyms or 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.040 their whatever, you know what I mean. And that was yeah, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.640 and that was that platform was taken from them. They 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.600 also probably had to quit their job that they had. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.200 A lot of people are saying before you know, and. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.280 Some of them even fine love not on the show, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:28.720 which I think is really sweet too. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.360 Like after they get opportunities to go to The Bachelor 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.840 in Paradises and say that that gets. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.320 That part is very unfortunate and again where they should 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.400 have just never allowed it. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.920 To happen in the first place. First place. Funny story though, 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.520 Catherine goes into our group message and she's like, oh 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:52.200 my god, Taylor's following you and goes swift. I think 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:57.520 she only follows her fiance. It wouldn't be here and 0:16:58.280 --> 0:16:58.920 really funny. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.520 I had a panic moment because I was doing some 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.040 work on her Instagram and I was like, oh my gosh, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.040 oh no, oh no, I mean she listened, and then 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.560 I freaked out because you know, I always go back 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:10.960 to that moment of what did we say? 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.480 Because we forget like we talk about what we say. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.440 I mean, I knew I didn't, like, I don't judge 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.040 the girl, and I feel for her, but I was like, man, 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:19.720 you just always go to that moment. I'm like crap, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.239 what what did we say? Is she going to be 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.560 kissed if she hears it? 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.320 So I just had a freak out moment. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:25.159 I think we couldn't. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.720 We might be the least of Tailor's worries right now. Yeah, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.919 I know, that's the great, that's true. Yeah, I know, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.000 but you never wanted to win someone's down. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.760 Sure, you know, but I at least taking passionate. We 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:41.840 try passion and I look forward to the comeback story 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:43.080 for sure. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:02.600 So what's going on with Jesse? Jesse, that's a good one. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.560 Or Jesse, she's filing for divorces. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:12.720 No, she filed, which I always find interesting because and 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.960 then there's the whole pre nup situation too. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.520 Jesse's like, hey, I go here too, right, Like there's 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:19.480 stuff about my mind. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:24.400 But it's always interesting because sometimes, for example, with our 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:30.199 my divorce, my last one, it's you you want to 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:31.000 file first. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.120 Yeah, tell me about this. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.720 From from my understanding from my lawyer, you want to 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.959 be the one that files first because you have a 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.800 little bit more of an up in court, given you 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.760 are the one that has filed. Now, whether that is 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.240 true or not, I don't know, Like I have no idea, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:47.840 but that is just what my lawyer had said. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.920 So you want to beat that's way of getting hurt 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:52.439 at a file. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:58.879 Not sure Catherine's like paying him out side file because 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.679 it's never gone out and she has a file that's incredible, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.280 or they just told or if it was Catherine under 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:11.040 the table. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.760 I did tell pay them, but I did tell them. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:20.080 You're a lawyer. I always hate to see a relationship end. 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.240