Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, so we are doing a separate episode because
Speaker 2: heads are spinning on this one. I mean, guys, there's
Speaker 2: so many articles that are just like pow pow pow,
Speaker 2: and then it's like Jesse and then I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: it's a lot every hour talk. I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: it's just like I went on US Weekly and it's
Speaker 2: just headline after headline after headline. But then it's like
Speaker 2: Jesse's in there, and then her husband's putting Jordan a
Speaker 2: restraining room. I'm like, what is happening? Interesting timing though,
Speaker 2: and I probably would have done the same thing. You know,
Speaker 2: you want to slide something in so that way, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because you don't you don't want
Speaker 2: all the eyes on it.
Speaker 3: But also everyone's watching them right now in general, so
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe interesting timing, but also like everyone's
Speaker 3: so invested in all of them that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think it worked because not everybody's like and
Speaker 1: this too. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, last week, hours later after we recorded our episode,
Speaker 2: Theorette canceled the season.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm now.
Speaker 2: Having even though I I know what I said. There
Speaker 2: was even an article that came out. I'm now having
Speaker 2: mixed reactions about the whole thing, same, same, and about
Speaker 2: them canceling it. And I actually listened to Nick Faile's podcast.
Speaker 2: You know, they had he had a lawyer on the show,
Speaker 2: he had an editor on the show, and I was
Speaker 2: on my walk this morning, so I was I like
Speaker 2: his take on things, and so I was listening to
Speaker 2: his take on it, and it is very interesting because
Speaker 2: they I mean, she had mentioned many times that she
Speaker 2: threw the stool, and you know, I mean all all
Speaker 2: the things were in that twenty twenty three report and
Speaker 2: you know, the and he was even saying like some
Speaker 2: people don't even get on the show because they have
Speaker 2: a parking ticket, you know, So like clearly ABC knew.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they do major background.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so then for them to pull and it's like,
Speaker 2: were you just then setting her up to fail? Because
Speaker 2: and that's what he had based that's what Nick had said,
Speaker 2: Like it's like they were setting her up to fail
Speaker 2: because they knew this information, you know, and they still
Speaker 2: went with casting her right and people's lives and families
Speaker 2: in their live reduction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that see I see it differently. I
Speaker 3: think they obviously knew about it. And that's what I
Speaker 3: was even kind of saying last week. I was like,
Speaker 3: she was charged for this, yes, in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: Like we know she was charged with this.
Speaker 2: The other one was a separate incident that we haven't
Speaker 2: seen video footage of whatever.
Speaker 3: So if we're just talking about the twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: now I understand it's coming up again because a new
Speaker 3: incident just happened.
Speaker 2: And the video was released in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Three, right, Yes, Having said that, who.
Speaker 2: Released the video we don't know yet, but he has
Speaker 2: the copyright. He's Dakota's people saying that it's not wasn't him,
Speaker 2: but he's technically the copyright and this is again what
Speaker 2: I learned from the Bile files. But he's a technically
Speaker 2: has he's the copyrighted person, So he could have sold
Speaker 2: the copyright of the video to someone else else. My
Speaker 2: theory is maybe the ex husband of the of the
Speaker 2: kid that was her daughter that was hit in the video,
Speaker 2: something in that kind of world where maybe that was
Speaker 2: him also trying to sabotage or or get this that
Speaker 2: video out. I don't know, but that is he'd have
Speaker 2: had to have sold it or something well, or it
Speaker 2: could have Again, now I'm saying this too. There's been
Speaker 2: videos or pictures that I've sure we've all sent to
Speaker 2: each other that I now have it. And if there's
Speaker 2: not a good there's a bad egg in there. That
Speaker 2: person could then sabotage and send to a paper to
Speaker 2: get money or an outlet. So sure, but you then
Speaker 2: hear all the things about how they say Dakota sabotages
Speaker 2: and and maybe when he pressed plays again, we're taking
Speaker 2: the abuse abuses not okay, I'm just what was the
Speaker 2: five minute it's before the recording two right the timetime
Speaker 2: it's released seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me go back a minute to the first
Speaker 3: thought though on the ABC taking it when they did
Speaker 3: taking it off air, my thing is is they obviously
Speaker 3: knew about it.
Speaker 1: She was charged for it.
Speaker 3: It was out there, she's talked about it, they did
Speaker 3: a background check. My thing on that is is the
Speaker 3: only reason in my opinion, they ended up taking down
Speaker 3: was because of all the pushback, because of the video,
Speaker 3: because because the video came out, because he did that,
Speaker 3: and now they're like, what do we do? Half of
Speaker 3: the world is saying you need to take the show
Speaker 3: down half the world. It doesn't. It was just a shoot,
Speaker 3: what do we do, Like we got to take this
Speaker 3: down now.
Speaker 2: But also to the point of what I was the pod,
Speaker 2: you know, listening to the podcast this morning, they were
Speaker 2: filming Mormon wives during them too, So they were just
Speaker 2: feeding into the abuse of the situation and the sadness
Speaker 2: of around her mental health too.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I know they paused for ten to eleven months after
Speaker 2: for this incident, but still you went ahead knowing that
Speaker 2: these you're putting these two people together on camera in
Speaker 2: a room, and it's kind of makes me sad the
Speaker 2: whole situation that they were feeding into the mental health of.
Speaker 3: I agree, and I think that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 3: going with it. Is kind of like I no, no, you're fine.
Speaker 3: It's just essentially they got caught, is what it feels like.
Speaker 3: Is like they were going to roll with all of it,
Speaker 3: knowing everything, knowing what was going on, but they got
Speaker 3: to a point where it was like, oh, crap, now
Speaker 3: we look bad because we knew all of this and
Speaker 3: we need to bring it down.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel.
Speaker 3: I feel, like, like you said, they were filming stuff
Speaker 3: they're putting people, you know, for the other show, they're
Speaker 3: putting people in these positions. They knew who she was,
Speaker 3: they knew she was in her love life a bit
Speaker 3: of a train wreck for not you know, not to
Speaker 3: be a mean but you know, her love life has
Speaker 3: been up and down. They wanted that, you know, That's
Speaker 3: why I thought they were going to get more eyeballs
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: And they probably thought so too.
Speaker 3: But then it just got to a point where it's, ok, Okay,
Speaker 3: now you're getting called out for essentially promoting violence that
Speaker 3: were now all seeing. And I think that's where they
Speaker 3: got scared. But they should be scared because now and
Speaker 3: again I think that, you know, I did say last
Speaker 3: week that they should bring it down, you know, I
Speaker 3: did think that. I'm now back and forth as well
Speaker 3: on whether they should have.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I still think they should have. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've still they still should. I agreed they should.
Speaker 3: If you did, if you did a simple background, I
Speaker 3: mean you did.
Speaker 4: That was my whole point last week. Yeah, we are
Speaker 4: just making the wrong people famous. Yeah, we're just feeding
Speaker 4: a beast. And that is nothing against any of these women.
Speaker 4: I just am watching listen. I saw very brief and
Speaker 4: a long time four score and seven years ago, when
Speaker 4: there was no social media, what reality TV is, what
Speaker 4: it really is, and how it can feed and how
Speaker 4: you can promote it, how more money comes with more episodes,
Speaker 4: and more money comes with more drama. And I also
Speaker 4: saw first hand and how if you're not at storm, you're.
Speaker 2: Out right well and if someone someone posted something that
Speaker 2: was quite funny, I believe it was Alison on my
Speaker 2: Instagram and she goes, listen, we grew up on Real
Speaker 2: World and Jersey Shores, like The Air the Achelorette, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like this is like right, this
Speaker 2: is what we get it. At the same time, again,
Speaker 2: I agree to your point. I don't think they should
Speaker 2: have ever picked her in the beginning because of knowing
Speaker 2: this information and if it was reversed that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Having said that too, I'm like, well, there's a piece
Speaker 2: of me that would watch it. But now knowing everything,
Speaker 2: I still think they did the right thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a hard one.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you're a human and you're like
Speaker 3: curious and you want to watch you know, we've all
Speaker 3: been kind of in a way trained with this reality
Speaker 3: TV to want to watch the train wreck, Like that's
Speaker 3: why we watched this stuff half the time.
Speaker 2: I will say, though, this latest up, the latest season,
Speaker 2: it's so heavy, so many people have said so much
Speaker 2: happening that I I can't finish it. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: I know too much. It's too heavy. It's just it's
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to be able to look at a
Speaker 3: train wreck, but it be like not so like you know.
Speaker 2: I want to say or wherever bring the I'm just
Speaker 2: like it's like it's like and I'm and this is
Speaker 2: what's so sad is these are the people's lives, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I feel so awful. But
Speaker 2: and as a viewer, it is starting to feel just
Speaker 2: kind of dark. It's also feeling like we shouldn't. It's
Speaker 2: like and I don't want to turn it on. I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to be being like
Speaker 2: a viewer. Yeah, I feel bad the deal with it, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to feed into that this is the
Speaker 2: numbers and this is what we need. Let them privately
Speaker 2: deal with it. I want happiness for all of them,
Speaker 2: but I don't like I feel like I'm feeding into
Speaker 2: the beast by tuning it right, Yeah, and it is
Speaker 2: like a weird feeling, like when there's this fine line
Speaker 2: reality hits where you feel like you open the door
Speaker 2: while someone's having an argument and you're like, ooh, you
Speaker 2: know it's like that, like you're just like I don't
Speaker 2: think I want to and just in general, like our
Speaker 2: nervous systems, like a lot of us have lived these situations,
Speaker 2: so I don't need to relive like yea, you know,
Speaker 2: for my own like like mental health, I guess or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's been really interesting also to see people go to
Speaker 3: social media with their takes and I mean, I can
Speaker 3: see all to me, there's no side to this. And
Speaker 3: that's the thing that's been so interesting is everyone now
Speaker 3: wants to give.
Speaker 1: A side to everything. Everything. You pick a side.
Speaker 3: There is no and I'm like, how are we picking
Speaker 3: a side except for the children in this and this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like, we're how are you team Dakota
Speaker 3: or team Taylor? It's all a mess, you know, And
Speaker 3: it's like, yes, she did this, we don't know what
Speaker 3: he did. Five minutes before that, like you were you
Speaker 3: know where you were saying, we we don't know if
Speaker 3: he did this. Released it to sabotage her. We don't know,
Speaker 3: we don't know, but there's not I'm not understanding these
Speaker 3: people going, Okay, this might not be a popular take,
Speaker 3: but I'm on this side, and I'm like, there's no
Speaker 3: sides to this. They just need to get healthy, both
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the children are the are the ones that.
Speaker 2: Are not right. Yeah. And I you know, I actually
Speaker 2: slid into a Bethany Frankel. She was talking about something
Speaker 2: about how it's they were saying reactive abuse, and I
Speaker 2: actually went in the comments, I said it's violent resistance
Speaker 2: d D.
Speaker 1: I saw that, yeah, or her talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I ended up actually pulling my comment and
Speaker 2: a lot of people were HERD, you know, we're harding it.
Speaker 2: But then people were coming and being like, all right,
Speaker 2: if this was a guy and this is and there's
Speaker 2: so many people that don't understand the DV world as well,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I can't fight with a bunch with
Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel's people, and I was just like, I ended
Speaker 2: up just deleting the comment because I'm like I and
Speaker 2: I texted Amy too, I said, hey, will you come
Speaker 2: on the podcast and talk about violence violent resistance and
Speaker 2: she's in Montana right now, but she said she would
Speaker 2: love to come on because I think there needs to
Speaker 2: be a bigger conversation and then her explaining it, because
Speaker 2: me explaining violent resistance is just from what I hear
Speaker 2: from her and what I know from DV. But I
Speaker 2: think it's important for people to be educated on that
Speaker 2: because when you haven't been in that toxic, violent, abusive situation,
Speaker 2: you don't understand all the nuances that go with it,
Speaker 2: and both things happening are not okay, right, So like
Speaker 2: there's never justification for this, but there are psychological things
Speaker 2: that happen to you and when you're inn abusive relationships.
Speaker 2: So I think that needs to be described, like from
Speaker 2: an Amy. Yeah, And that's where I'm like, I'm out
Speaker 2: of this kind I'm because I'm like, I can't if
Speaker 2: you haven't been in this situation, you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wondered that same thing because I watched
Speaker 3: Bethany's saying and I didn't know. So it would be
Speaker 3: very good for Amy to come on and to explain.
Speaker 3: Is there also reactive abuse? Is that also a thing?
Speaker 3: Are these two different things? But you were explaining and
Speaker 3: reactive abuse, I had all those same thoughts, and I
Speaker 3: wanted I would love more information on that because to
Speaker 3: me they sound like a little bit different.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 3: I would love to and people don't know that you
Speaker 3: are not educated on that.
Speaker 4: That could be in the sweet spot though, of what
Speaker 4: comes out of this. That was my whole point last week,
Speaker 4: like we turn the cameras off, let's get a family
Speaker 4: system healthy. But if there was any good that can
Speaker 4: come out of this, it's us learning more about Sure,
Speaker 4: all of this is a culture, so it's not so
Speaker 4: one side one side, And Amy does a really good
Speaker 4: job of describing because a lot of people are like,
Speaker 4: if this was a man and their react There is
Speaker 4: a difference, and I hate the double standard with that
Speaker 4: piece of it too, But there is a difference, and
Speaker 4: Amy does a way better job explaining it than I will.
Speaker 4: And I'd rather them quote her than me, just too, yeah,
Speaker 4: because she is you know, and none of it.
Speaker 2: Is okay at the end of the days. You just
Speaker 2: have to understand the psychology and the what happens the
Speaker 2: nuances within a domestic violence violent domestic violence relationship DV situation.
Speaker 2: So I just think there's so much more to it.
Speaker 3: H Yeah, well, and understanding that those things are there
Speaker 3: and there's reasons that this is happening and why it's toxic,
Speaker 3: but not saying it's okay. And that's like when you
Speaker 3: keep saying, but it's not okay, you know, And it
Speaker 3: can feel on social media when people are like, it's this,
Speaker 3: it's this, it's this, and it kind of stops there,
Speaker 3: but we have to keep saying but it's still not okay,
Speaker 3: and we have to learn and we have to They
Speaker 3: need to get help. Both of them need to get help.
Speaker 3: When it comes to yeah, I would assume he also
Speaker 3: has been it. You know, they have said that he
Speaker 3: has also been violent as well, So assuming that he
Speaker 3: has also been violent as well, they both need to
Speaker 3: get help and get off cameras.
Speaker 2: Exactly just for the love private time.
Speaker 3: But what else is is there anything else? So then
Speaker 3: what else is new with So Doug is.
Speaker 2: The bachelor she chose right, Doug got there apparently he's
Speaker 2: the one that got the final. He looks so much
Speaker 2: like her, it's like she has a type. It's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, her ex like her ex husband or Dakota.
Speaker 2: Dakota she was a lot like I was like, well.
Speaker 3: I still wonder where her ex husband is and all
Speaker 3: of this, but that's just smart and off camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, luckily, but but there is so Doug is
Speaker 4: the one she picked in the Bachelorette, and they did
Speaker 4: get engaged on the show. But then I think, didn't
Speaker 4: something just came out. We're gonna we're gonna fact check.
Speaker 4: Oh this is what he said.
Speaker 2: In light of everything that's happened. I'm just sending out
Speaker 2: prais to Taylor because that was her moment, and her
Speaker 2: moment was blocked. So all we can do right now
Speaker 2: is be hopeful. And I'm headed off to run to
Speaker 2: watch the sunrise. Hope you guys have a great day.
Speaker 2: Let's stay positive and show nothing but support for people
Speaker 2: and need cheers. Apparently, though, apparently she got back together
Speaker 2: with Dakota after film and then obviously all that other
Speaker 2: stuff came out. So she slept with Dakota the night
Speaker 2: before she left, apparently, and then she goes on the
Speaker 2: Bachelor and she bachelorettes it up. She goes she was ready.
Speaker 2: She was saying she wasn't ready, you know.
Speaker 1: She says she wasn't ready before she went on.
Speaker 2: That's what I was hearing on the Bile Files. Yes,
Speaker 2: it could have been.
Speaker 4: True because she definitely slept with her right other's child
Speaker 4: the night before.
Speaker 3: So this we need to then not sign up for
Speaker 3: things when we're not ready.
Speaker 4: Right, So then I'm like, I get it's sweet Doug. Okay,
Speaker 4: So then Doug is now they're offering Doug. Is this
Speaker 4: rumor or fact? We need producer Hannah, our resident JOm
Speaker 4: Talk Secret Life Mormon Wives expert, has to tell us
Speaker 4: if Doug has confirmed that he is going to be
Speaker 4: the next Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yet nothing has been confirmed. He just there was a comy.
Speaker 2: There was just a comment saying like, oh, he should
Speaker 2: be the next and he's like, let's go.
Speaker 3: So people feel bad for him? Well, and I mean
Speaker 3: I have ever every contest heard a lot of the
Speaker 3: contestants re upset because I mean, they obviously wanted to
Speaker 3: be on this show for a reason.
Speaker 2: Do you want to have maybe some more Instagram followers
Speaker 2: to promote your businesses? I mean a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been very fortunate after these shows to have you know,
Speaker 2: the influencing world or their supplement or their gyms or
Speaker 2: their whatever, you know what I mean. And that was yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was that platform was taken from them. They
Speaker 2: also probably had to quit their job that they had.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying before you know, and.
Speaker 4: Some of them even fine love not on the show,
Speaker 4: which I think is really sweet too.
Speaker 2: Like after they get opportunities to go to The Bachelor
Speaker 2: in Paradises and say that that gets.
Speaker 3: That part is very unfortunate and again where they should
Speaker 3: have just never allowed it.
Speaker 2: To happen in the first place. First place. Funny story though,
Speaker 2: Catherine goes into our group message and she's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Taylor's following you and goes swift. I think
Speaker 2: she only follows her fiance. It wouldn't be here and
Speaker 2: really funny.
Speaker 3: I had a panic moment because I was doing some
Speaker 3: work on her Instagram and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: oh no, oh no, I mean she listened, and then
Speaker 3: I freaked out because you know, I always go back
Speaker 3: to that moment of what did we say?
Speaker 1: Because we forget like we talk about what we say.
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew I didn't, like, I don't judge
Speaker 3: the girl, and I feel for her, but I was like, man,
Speaker 3: you just always go to that moment. I'm like crap,
Speaker 3: what what did we say? Is she going to be
Speaker 3: kissed if she hears it?
Speaker 1: So I just had a freak out moment.
Speaker 2: I think we couldn't.
Speaker 4: We might be the least of Tailor's worries right now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, that's the great, that's true. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: but you never wanted to win someone's down.
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, but I at least taking passionate. We
Speaker 2: try passion and I look forward to the comeback story
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: So what's going on with Jesse? Jesse, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: Or Jesse, she's filing for divorces.
Speaker 2: No, she filed, which I always find interesting because and
Speaker 2: then there's the whole pre nup situation too.
Speaker 4: Jesse's like, hey, I go here too, right, Like there's
Speaker 4: stuff about my mind.
Speaker 2: But it's always interesting because sometimes, for example, with our
Speaker 2: my divorce, my last one, it's you you want to
Speaker 2: file first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about this.
Speaker 2: From from my understanding from my lawyer, you want to
Speaker 2: be the one that files first because you have a
Speaker 2: little bit more of an up in court, given you
Speaker 2: are the one that has filed. Now, whether that is
Speaker 2: true or not, I don't know, Like I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but that is just what my lawyer had said.
Speaker 3: So you want to beat that's way of getting hurt
Speaker 3: at a file.
Speaker 2: Not sure Catherine's like paying him out side file because
Speaker 2: it's never gone out and she has a file that's incredible,
Speaker 2: or they just told or if it was Catherine under
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 1: I did tell pay them, but I did tell them.
Speaker 2: You're a lawyer. I always hate to see a relationship end.
Speaker 2: But I think we also kind of saw that one.
Speaker 2: It's a which is a bummer because again, I always
Speaker 2: want to be the advocate that when things happen in
Speaker 2: a marriage, whether it's unfaithful, that it can be restored.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the piece that is such a
Speaker 2: bummer to me because I was hopeful that given the
Speaker 2: not sleeping with the person and it was just a case,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, they're going to be the example that
Speaker 2: maybe shows that people can get on the other side
Speaker 2: and have that redemption that story. And so it's it's
Speaker 2: a bummer on that piece again, because I do believe
Speaker 2: marriages can be restored when something like that happens, but
Speaker 2: clearly doing it in front of the camera with a
Speaker 2: bunch of people that that must have had have been
Speaker 2: ten times harder. And again I couldn't watch some of
Speaker 2: those two, Like when they were fighting and there was
Speaker 2: the overhead, I was like, that's when I fast forward.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to watch. This is too
Speaker 2: like triggering from like it's why things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're forgetting.
Speaker 4: We are forgetting that these are I don't know a
Speaker 4: good way to say this, so I just need everyone's
Speaker 4: gracious assumption around my next few sentences. But like, we're
Speaker 4: forgetting these are like normal people, and so these aren't
Speaker 4: like actresses or people that grew up in a spotlight.
Speaker 4: And so now we have spotlight on marriage, and we
Speaker 4: have cameras on marriage, and we have friends that are
Speaker 4: getting like there's a lot of added extra elements to
Speaker 4: marriage in these situations. A marriage on its own without
Speaker 4: a camera in a tiny house in the middle of
Speaker 4: a in the acreage is stressful.
Speaker 3: Any camera on any marriage, Yeah, it's why stressful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I won't just say the restraining order piece though.
Speaker 1: Who put restraining on her?
Speaker 2: On who he put a restraining harder on her?
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. I just that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I find that very interesting. And also again we've never
Speaker 2: heard her being physical. I mean, if this was a
Speaker 2: restraining order, could just be like proximity too. It could
Speaker 2: be just right, but.
Speaker 1: Doesn't Well, yes it is, but I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying has to be like, for example, Oh, people are
Speaker 2: saying it's so that she can't talk about it.
Speaker 3: I did see that restraining order. But also it's like
Speaker 3: a hush order. That's what I'm saying. Doesn't mean always violence.
Speaker 3: It could be that there's like too much infiltration right
Speaker 3: in people's space.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing, not the funny thing is but
Speaker 2: apparently she's the guest, I'm the next caller daddy, and
Speaker 2: it said I'm not the only one who cheated.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, so then he's like, so maybe that's
Speaker 3: what he had to do in order to get her
Speaker 3: to not tell that story.
Speaker 1: Oh, that makes him look bad if that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, there have been times when restraining orders
Speaker 2: can be filed and you kind of look at it
Speaker 2: and you go, Okay, am I doing this for a story?
Speaker 2: Or am I doing this because it's really needed? You know?
Speaker 2: So I think it's just an interesting play, and I'm
Speaker 2: curious normal people with abnormal abnormal.
Speaker 3: I am going to say, I'm going to defend a
Speaker 3: little bit in the in the in the sense.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 3: You did sign up for reality TV, so let's just
Speaker 3: start there. Just signed up for reality TV. But I
Speaker 3: can understand not wanting, if any anything and everything is
Speaker 3: going wrong in my marriage. For the other person to
Speaker 3: go on the most famous podcast in the world and
Speaker 3: talk about it, I can understand that.
Speaker 1: I can see they're doing a reality show. That's what
Speaker 1: they talk about it. That's what I said. He signed
Speaker 1: up for a reality show.
Speaker 2: And they talk about it on the reality show. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want his dirty laundry exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: But no, that's exactly what's happening. That's exactly what he
Speaker 1: doesn't want.
Speaker 3: And I'm not I'm just saying, if I had made
Speaker 3: a mistake and I had done something, I can understand
Speaker 3: that feeling of not wanting. I'm sure y'all can understand
Speaker 3: not wanting your dirty laundry out there everywhere too. But
Speaker 3: they signed up for a reality show, and I guess
Speaker 3: that it's okay.
Speaker 2: For her to look bad, but not him is kind
Speaker 2: of what it seems for.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what he's situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, But I'm just saying the only
Speaker 3: thing I can defend in that thing is I can
Speaker 3: understand not wanting it all out there in general. Sure,
Speaker 3: any of it me and any of it, but I
Speaker 3: wouldn't sign up for a reality show.
Speaker 2: Well, now there's spinoffs happening. Jen Affleck is going to
Speaker 2: be one of the cast mates for the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: or Orange County spin off. I mean, what do you
Speaker 2: think about now these being spin offs?
Speaker 1: It might be tough now, I don't know. We gotta
Speaker 1: get up, we gotta.
Speaker 2: Get out, everyone needs to shut down the cameras. I think.
Speaker 4: I'm I also am not like a massive fan of
Speaker 4: the show at all. Like I'm not a fan of
Speaker 4: the show at all, So it's hard for me. I
Speaker 4: really was at first, but it's I've heard the same.
Speaker 2: I do think Jen is a strong enough lead for
Speaker 2: the spin off show. I do not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think and I strong.
Speaker 4: I think it's because she's too maybe too kind or
Speaker 4: too well, she's more of a bit of a.
Speaker 2: Villainous story from what People Live Again. I've and difficult
Speaker 2: to watch a lot of the season, but it's not for.
Speaker 3: Any strong reason other than I I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: not that I get bored with her storyline. That's terrible
Speaker 3: to say, but it's been a little bit of that
Speaker 3: back and forth same storyline where I'm kind of personally
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know how you just kind of
Speaker 3: get over a storyline sometimes I'm kind of over her storyline.
Speaker 3: And that's what happens a lot with these reality shows.
Speaker 3: When people get fed up with some like Housewives and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, it's like, Okay, you've worked this storyline
Speaker 3: too long. We need to kind of move on. So
Speaker 3: that's what it will be interesting to see.
Speaker 2: How that how that plays on I think smart for
Speaker 2: the network, like what they're trying to do. They're trying
Speaker 2: to probably do a Housewives you know, yeah, there'll be
Speaker 2: no mom talk of Nashville. I'll say that most likely.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't even.
Speaker 2: Never say never, true, never say never, but an email
Speaker 2: comes in no. But I think it all depends on
Speaker 2: who they surround them with. I think that's what happens
Speaker 2: a lot of these Housewives shows is who's the surrounding
Speaker 2: cast to see if it works. But I mean, my
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard because all those girls are
Speaker 2: are so good on the main show. Yeah, and once
Speaker 2: everyone starts going away, like if Whitney goes just to
Speaker 2: pursue her acting, if you know Taylor's who knows what
Speaker 2: will happen in that situation, if she's even comes back
Speaker 2: or whatever. It is. So part of it too, is
Speaker 2: their history.
Speaker 4: That's what makes this if you're making a cast, right,
Speaker 4: these are all friends, but they are like they're a
Speaker 4: cast too. It's like the deepness and the richness of
Speaker 4: the storylines are that they've all been together for all
Speaker 4: these times and sudden you start taking people out, and.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what made it a little bit
Speaker 3: different and a little bit stronger at first than housewives.
Speaker 3: Like all of them are kind of friends, but they're
Speaker 3: not really these girls again, you know they were I as,
Speaker 3: I as I've seen pretty close. Right, we're a part
Speaker 3: of this mom talk together before a lot of times.
Speaker 3: It's like your housewives are really just kind of thrown together, right, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Like that, So yeah, like asking me
Speaker 2: to be on the back or friends, I know that
Speaker 2: not even even more recently, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: live there, I.
Speaker 1: Don't go here talk about that. Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: So like when you're it's crazy, must of a spin
Speaker 4: off because now it's You're It's not what.
Speaker 2: People loved about it or fascinated people.
Speaker 3: To me, it would have made more sense to just
Speaker 3: do a full new cast of people, same situation somehow
Speaker 3: and made it like someone from that show to bring
Speaker 3: on the other one.
Speaker 2: Though that's true.
Speaker 3: And they did well, they do on the other but
Speaker 3: like none of the how Wives, those don't if you're
Speaker 3: trying to do it like a Housewives. None of those overlap.
Speaker 3: It's all different casts, so I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I see what they're doing, and some of those other ones,
Speaker 3: like the selling ones and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 3: obviously have the.
Speaker 1: Same people some of them.
Speaker 2: But I like, yeah, well there's our little there's a
Speaker 2: lot of spicy updates for you.
Speaker 3: I really hope everybody gets out though, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, and that they can get healthy and
Speaker 3: get happy, because.
Speaker 2: I do amen to healthy, yeah and happy, and we're
Speaker 2: out until next episode. I