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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we are doing a separate episode because

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Speaker 2: heads are spinning on this one. I mean, guys, there's

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Speaker 2: so many articles that are just like pow pow pow,

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Speaker 2: and then it's like Jesse and then I'm like, it's

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Speaker 2: it's a lot every hour talk. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 2: it's just like I went on US Weekly and it's

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Speaker 2: just headline after headline after headline. But then it's like

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Speaker 2: Jesse's in there, and then her husband's putting Jordan a

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Speaker 2: restraining room. I'm like, what is happening? Interesting timing though,

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Speaker 2: and I probably would have done the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 2: you want to slide something in so that way, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, because you don't you don't want

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Speaker 2: all the eyes on it.

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Speaker 3: But also everyone's watching them right now in general, so

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Speaker 3: I feel like maybe interesting timing, but also like everyone's

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Speaker 3: so invested in all of them that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it worked because not everybody's like and

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Speaker 1: this too. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously, last week, hours later after we recorded our episode,

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Speaker 2: Theorette canceled the season.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm now.

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Speaker 2: Having even though I I know what I said. There

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Speaker 2: was even an article that came out. I'm now having

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Speaker 2: mixed reactions about the whole thing, same, same, and about

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Speaker 2: them canceling it. And I actually listened to Nick Faile's podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, they had he had a lawyer on the show,

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Speaker 2: he had an editor on the show, and I was

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Speaker 2: on my walk this morning, so I was I like

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Speaker 2: his take on things, and so I was listening to

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Speaker 2: his take on it, and it is very interesting because

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Speaker 2: they I mean, she had mentioned many times that she

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Speaker 2: threw the stool, and you know, I mean all all

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Speaker 2: the things were in that twenty twenty three report and

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Speaker 2: you know, the and he was even saying like some

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Speaker 2: people don't even get on the show because they have

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Speaker 2: a parking ticket, you know, So like clearly ABC knew.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they do major background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so then for them to pull and it's like,

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Speaker 2: were you just then setting her up to fail? Because

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Speaker 2: and that's what he had based that's what Nick had said,

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Speaker 2: Like it's like they were setting her up to fail

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Speaker 2: because they knew this information, you know, and they still

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Speaker 2: went with casting her right and people's lives and families

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Speaker 2: in their live reduction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that see I see it differently. I

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Speaker 3: think they obviously knew about it. And that's what I

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Speaker 3: was even kind of saying last week. I was like,

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Speaker 3: she was charged for this, yes, in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: Like we know she was charged with this.

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Speaker 2: The other one was a separate incident that we haven't

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Speaker 2: seen video footage of whatever.

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Speaker 3: So if we're just talking about the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: now I understand it's coming up again because a new

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Speaker 3: incident just happened.

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Speaker 2: And the video was released in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Three, right, Yes, Having said that, who.

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Speaker 2: Released the video we don't know yet, but he has

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Speaker 2: the copyright. He's Dakota's people saying that it's not wasn't him,

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Speaker 2: but he's technically the copyright and this is again what

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Speaker 2: I learned from the Bile files. But he's a technically

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Speaker 2: has he's the copyrighted person, So he could have sold

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Speaker 2: the copyright of the video to someone else else. My

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Speaker 2: theory is maybe the ex husband of the of the

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Speaker 2: kid that was her daughter that was hit in the video,

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Speaker 2: something in that kind of world where maybe that was

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Speaker 2: him also trying to sabotage or or get this that

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Speaker 2: video out. I don't know, but that is he'd have

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Speaker 2: had to have sold it or something well, or it

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Speaker 2: could have Again, now I'm saying this too. There's been

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Speaker 2: videos or pictures that I've sure we've all sent to

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Speaker 2: each other that I now have it. And if there's

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Speaker 2: not a good there's a bad egg in there. That

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Speaker 2: person could then sabotage and send to a paper to

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Speaker 2: get money or an outlet. So sure, but you then

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Speaker 2: hear all the things about how they say Dakota sabotages

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Speaker 2: and and maybe when he pressed plays again, we're taking

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Speaker 2: the abuse abuses not okay, I'm just what was the

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Speaker 2: it's released seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me go back a minute to the first

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Speaker 3: thought though on the ABC taking it when they did

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Speaker 3: taking it off air, my thing is is they obviously

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Speaker 1: She was charged for it.

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Speaker 3: It was out there, she's talked about it, they did

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Speaker 3: a background check. My thing on that is is the

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Speaker 3: only reason in my opinion, they ended up taking down

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Speaker 3: because because the video came out, because he did that,

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Speaker 3: and now they're like, what do we do? Half of

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Speaker 3: the world is saying you need to take the show

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Speaker 3: down half the world. It doesn't. It was just a shoot,

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Speaker 3: what do we do, Like we got to take this

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Speaker 2: But also to the point of what I was the pod,

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Speaker 2: you know, listening to the podcast this morning, they were

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Speaker 2: filming Mormon wives during them too, So they were just

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Speaker 2: feeding into the abuse of the situation and the sadness

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Speaker 2: of around her mental health too.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I know they paused for ten to eleven months after

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Speaker 2: for this incident, but still you went ahead knowing that

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Speaker 2: these you're putting these two people together on camera in

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Speaker 2: a room, and it's kind of makes me sad the

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Speaker 2: whole situation that they were feeding into the mental health of.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and I think that's kind of where I'm

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Speaker 3: going with it. Is kind of like I no, no, you're fine.

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Speaker 3: It's just essentially they got caught, is what it feels like.

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Speaker 3: Is like they were going to roll with all of it,

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Speaker 3: knowing everything, knowing what was going on, but they got

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Speaker 3: to a point where it was like, oh, crap, now

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Speaker 3: we look bad because we knew all of this and

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Speaker 3: we need to bring it down.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel.

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Speaker 3: I feel, like, like you said, they were filming stuff

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Speaker 3: they're putting people, you know, for the other show, they're

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Speaker 3: putting people in these positions. They knew who she was,

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Speaker 3: they knew she was in her love life a bit

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Speaker 3: of a train wreck for not you know, not to

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Speaker 3: be a mean but you know, her love life has

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Speaker 3: been up and down. They wanted that, you know, That's

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Speaker 3: why I thought they were going to get more eyeballs

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Speaker 1: And they probably thought so too.

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Speaker 3: But then it just got to a point where it's, ok, Okay,

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Speaker 3: now you're getting called out for essentially promoting violence that

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Speaker 3: were now all seeing. And I think that's where they

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Speaker 3: got scared. But they should be scared because now and

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Speaker 3: again I think that, you know, I did say last

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Speaker 3: week that they should bring it down, you know, I

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Speaker 3: did think that. I'm now back and forth as well

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I still think they should have. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I've still they still should. I agreed they should.

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Speaker 3: If you did, if you did a simple background, I

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Speaker 3: mean you did.

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Speaker 4: That was my whole point last week. Yeah, we are

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Speaker 4: just making the wrong people famous. Yeah, we're just feeding

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Speaker 4: a beast. And that is nothing against any of these women.

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Speaker 4: I just am watching listen. I saw very brief and

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Speaker 4: a long time four score and seven years ago, when

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Speaker 4: there was no social media, what reality TV is, what

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Speaker 4: it really is, and how it can feed and how

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Speaker 4: you can promote it, how more money comes with more episodes,

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Speaker 4: and more money comes with more drama. And I also

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Speaker 4: saw first hand and how if you're not at storm, you're.

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Speaker 2: Out right well and if someone someone posted something that

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Speaker 2: was quite funny, I believe it was Alison on my

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Speaker 2: World and Jersey Shores, like The Air the Achelorette, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like this is like right, this

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Speaker 2: is what we get it. At the same time, again,

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Speaker 2: I agree to your point. I don't think they should

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Speaker 2: have ever picked her in the beginning because of knowing

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Speaker 2: this information and if it was reversed that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Having said that too, I'm like, well, there's a piece

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Speaker 2: of me that would watch it. But now knowing everything,

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Speaker 2: I still think they did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a hard one.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you're a human and you're like

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Speaker 3: curious and you want to watch you know, we've all

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Speaker 3: been kind of in a way trained with this reality

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Speaker 3: why we watched this stuff half the time.

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Speaker 2: I will say, though, this latest up, the latest season,

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Speaker 2: it's so heavy, so many people have said so much

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Speaker 2: happening that I I can't finish it. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I know too much. It's too heavy. It's just it's

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to be able to look at a

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Speaker 3: train wreck, but it be like not so like you know.

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Speaker 2: I want to say or wherever bring the I'm just

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Speaker 2: like it's like it's like and I'm and this is

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Speaker 2: what's so sad is these are the people's lives, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I feel so awful. But

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Speaker 2: and as a viewer, it is starting to feel just

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Speaker 2: numbers and this is what we need. Let them privately

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Speaker 2: deal with it. I want happiness for all of them,

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Speaker 2: but I don't like I feel like I'm feeding into

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Speaker 2: the beast by tuning it right, Yeah, and it is

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Speaker 2: like a weird feeling, like when there's this fine line

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Speaker 2: reality hits where you feel like you open the door

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Speaker 2: while someone's having an argument and you're like, ooh, you

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Speaker 2: know it's like that, like you're just like I don't

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Speaker 2: nervous systems, like a lot of us have lived these situations,

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Speaker 2: so I don't need to relive like yea, you know,

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Speaker 2: for my own like like mental health, I guess or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's been really interesting also to see people go to

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Speaker 3: social media with their takes and I mean, I can

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Speaker 3: see all to me, there's no side to this. And

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Speaker 3: that's the thing that's been so interesting is everyone now

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Speaker 3: wants to give.

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Speaker 1: A side to everything. Everything. You pick a side.

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Speaker 3: There is no and I'm like, how are we picking

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Speaker 3: a side except for the children in this and this?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like, we're how are you team Dakota

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Speaker 3: or team Taylor? It's all a mess, you know, And

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Speaker 3: it's like, yes, she did this, we don't know what

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Speaker 3: he did. Five minutes before that, like you were you

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Speaker 3: know where you were saying, we we don't know if

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Speaker 3: he did this. Released it to sabotage her. We don't know,

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Speaker 3: we don't know, but there's not I'm not understanding these

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Speaker 3: people going, Okay, this might not be a popular take,

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Speaker 3: but I'm on this side, and I'm like, there's no

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the children are the are the ones that.

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Speaker 2: Are not right. Yeah. And I you know, I actually

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Speaker 2: In light of everything that's happened. I'm just sending out

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Speaker 4: Right, So then I'm like, I get it's sweet Doug. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Sure, you know, but I at least taking passionate. We

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Speaker 4: We are forgetting that these are I don't know a

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Speaker 2: I find that very interesting. And also again we've never

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Speaker 2: heard her being physical. I mean, if this was a

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Speaker 2: restraining order, could just be like proximity too. It could

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Speaker 2: be just right, but.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't Well, yes it is, but I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Saying has to be like, for example, Oh, people are

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Speaker 2: saying it's so that she can't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I did see that restraining order. But also it's like

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Speaker 3: a hush order. That's what I'm saying. Doesn't mean always violence.

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Speaker 3: It could be that there's like too much infiltration right

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Speaker 3: in people's space.

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing, not the funny thing is but

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Speaker 2: apparently she's the guest, I'm the next caller daddy, and

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Speaker 2: it said I'm not the only one who cheated.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, so then he's like, so maybe that's

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Speaker 3: what he had to do in order to get her

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Speaker 3: to not tell that story.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that makes him look bad if that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, there have been times when restraining orders

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Speaker 2: can be filed and you kind of look at it

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Speaker 2: and you go, Okay, am I doing this for a story?

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Speaker 2: Or am I doing this because it's really needed? You know?

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just an interesting play, and I'm

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Speaker 2: curious normal people with abnormal abnormal.

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Speaker 3: I am going to say, I'm going to defend a

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Speaker 3: little bit in the in the in the sense.

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: You did sign up for reality TV, so let's just

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Speaker 3: start there. Just signed up for reality TV. But I

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Speaker 3: can understand not wanting, if any anything and everything is

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Speaker 3: going wrong in my marriage. For the other person to

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Speaker 3: go on the most famous podcast in the world and

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Speaker 3: talk about it, I can understand that.

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Speaker 1: I can see they're doing a reality show. That's what

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Speaker 1: they talk about it. That's what I said. He signed

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Speaker 1: up for a reality show.

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Speaker 2: And they talk about it on the reality show. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want his dirty laundry exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: But no, that's exactly what's happening. That's exactly what he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not I'm just saying, if I had made

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Speaker 3: a mistake and I had done something, I can understand

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Speaker 3: that feeling of not wanting. I'm sure y'all can understand

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Speaker 3: not wanting your dirty laundry out there everywhere too. But

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Speaker 3: they signed up for a reality show, and I guess

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Speaker 3: that it's okay.

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Speaker 2: For her to look bad, but not him is kind

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Speaker 2: of what it seems for.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what he's situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, But I'm just saying the only

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Speaker 3: thing I can defend in that thing is I can

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Speaker 3: understand not wanting it all out there in general. Sure,

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Speaker 3: any of it me and any of it, but I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't sign up for a reality show.

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Speaker 2: Well, now there's spinoffs happening. Jen Affleck is going to

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Speaker 2: be one of the cast mates for the Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: or Orange County spin off. I mean, what do you

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Speaker 2: think about now these being spin offs?

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Speaker 1: It might be tough now, I don't know. We gotta

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Speaker 1: get up, we gotta.

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Speaker 2: Get out, everyone needs to shut down the cameras. I think.

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Speaker 4: I'm I also am not like a massive fan of

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Speaker 4: the show at all. Like I'm not a fan of

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Speaker 4: the show at all, So it's hard for me. I

501
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Speaker 4: really was at first, but it's I've heard the same.

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Speaker 2: I do think Jen is a strong enough lead for

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Speaker 2: the spin off show. I do not.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think and I strong.

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Speaker 4: I think it's because she's too maybe too kind or

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Speaker 4: too well, she's more of a bit of a.

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Speaker 2: Villainous story from what People Live Again. I've and difficult

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Speaker 2: to watch a lot of the season, but it's not for.

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Speaker 3: Any strong reason other than I I don't know. It's

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Speaker 3: not that I get bored with her storyline. That's terrible

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Speaker 3: to say, but it's been a little bit of that

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Speaker 3: back and forth same storyline where I'm kind of personally

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Speaker 3: a little bit, you know how you just kind of

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Speaker 3: get over a storyline sometimes I'm kind of over her storyline.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happens a lot with these reality shows.

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Speaker 3: When people get fed up with some like Housewives and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, it's like, Okay, you've worked this storyline

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Speaker 3: too long. We need to kind of move on. So

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Speaker 3: that's what it will be interesting to see.

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Speaker 2: How that how that plays on I think smart for

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Speaker 2: the network, like what they're trying to do. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to probably do a Housewives you know, yeah, there'll be

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Speaker 2: no mom talk of Nashville. I'll say that most likely.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't even.

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Speaker 2: Never say never, true, never say never, but an email

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Speaker 2: comes in no. But I think it all depends on

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Speaker 2: who they surround them with. I think that's what happens

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Speaker 2: a lot of these Housewives shows is who's the surrounding

529
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Speaker 2: cast to see if it works. But I mean, my

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard because all those girls are

531
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Speaker 2: are so good on the main show. Yeah, and once

532
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Speaker 2: everyone starts going away, like if Whitney goes just to

533
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Speaker 2: pursue her acting, if you know Taylor's who knows what

534
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Speaker 2: will happen in that situation, if she's even comes back

535
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Speaker 2: or whatever. It is. So part of it too, is

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Speaker 2: their history.

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Speaker 4: That's what makes this if you're making a cast, right,

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Speaker 4: these are all friends, but they are like they're a

539
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Speaker 4: cast too. It's like the deepness and the richness of

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Speaker 4: the storylines are that they've all been together for all

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Speaker 4: these times and sudden you start taking people out, and.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what made it a little bit

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Speaker 3: different and a little bit stronger at first than housewives.

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Speaker 3: Like all of them are kind of friends, but they're

545
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Speaker 3: not really these girls again, you know they were I as,

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Speaker 3: I as I've seen pretty close. Right, we're a part

547
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Speaker 3: of this mom talk together before a lot of times.

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Speaker 3: It's like your housewives are really just kind of thrown together, right, That's.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Like that, So yeah, like asking me

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Speaker 2: to be on the back or friends, I know that

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Speaker 2: not even even more recently, and I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 2: live there, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't go here talk about that. Yeah, yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 4: So like when you're it's crazy, must of a spin

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Speaker 4: off because now it's You're It's not what.

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Speaker 2: People loved about it or fascinated people.

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Speaker 3: To me, it would have made more sense to just

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Speaker 3: do a full new cast of people, same situation somehow

560
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Speaker 3: and made it like someone from that show to bring

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Speaker 3: on the other one.

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Speaker 2: Though that's true.

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Speaker 3: And they did well, they do on the other but

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Speaker 3: like none of the how Wives, those don't if you're

565
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Speaker 3: trying to do it like a Housewives. None of those overlap.

566
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Speaker 3: It's all different casts, so I mean, I don't know.

567
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Speaker 3: I see what they're doing, and some of those other ones,

568
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Speaker 3: like the selling ones and stuff like that, you know,

569
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Speaker 3: obviously have the.

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Speaker 1: Same people some of them.

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Speaker 2: But I like, yeah, well there's our little there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of spicy updates for you.

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Speaker 3: I really hope everybody gets out though, at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, and that they can get healthy and

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Speaker 3: get happy, because.

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Speaker 2: I do amen to healthy, yeah and happy, and we're

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Speaker 2: out until next episode. I