1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Ruby. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rich Schwartz. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: What is the world of Marco Wedds. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 3: And this is Amazing Wildlife, the podcast where we explore 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: unique stories the wildlife from around the world and uncover 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: fascinating animal facts. This podcast is in production with iHeartRadio's 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 3: Ruby Studio and San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, an international 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: nonprofit conservation organization which oversees the San Diego Zoo and 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: Safari Park and Marco. I gotta say we've spent a 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: lot of time at Safari Park the last few episodes. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: I know, but you know what I got. Admit, man, 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 4: I was here a little earlier. I'm really enjoying this today. 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: And I have to say we are at the San 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: Diego Zoo today. It's a nice warm summer days. We're 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: actually wrapping up summer most of the world, but totally 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: here in San Diego is still nice and warm. And 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: we hinted last time we were talking about a bird, 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: the castaway, that has this really awesome ability to do 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: this unique deep call that you mimic very well, right, 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: But the thing is when you do it, I can't 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: feel it my chest. 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: So when the cast worry does it, it's such a 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: low frequency. 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I failed you, Sair. 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: It would worry me if you could do it. 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Like you're kind of worry too. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 4: But I mean to your point, you were talking about 28 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 4: the vocal it's a dense forest habitat that these animals 29 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: have to vocalize and communicate it. 30 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was kind of our segue than to 31 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: where we are now. We are down by the hippos 32 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: and the o'copy. 33 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: It's a dense forested area of the San Diego Zoo. 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: It is really awesome. And we're here today because coming 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: up in a few days after this episode comes out, it's. 36 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: World of Copy Day. 37 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 38 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: What better way to learn more about a copy is 39 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: than having an o' copy wildlife care specialist with us. 40 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm super pumped, and admittedly I don't know 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: a lot about O copy, so I can't wait to 42 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 4: learn to that. 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: Then our guest will have a lot of questions from you. 44 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to our audience. 45 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: Give them your name and your title here at the 46 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: San Diego Zoo. 47 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Dallas Dumont and I'm a senior 48 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: wildlife care specialist here at San Diego Zoo. 49 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: That's great. 50 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: So we are doing o copy today, we're talking about 51 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: a copy. We're standing outside the ocopy habitat Dallas. Do 52 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: you just take care of ocopy only or do you 53 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: have several species you care for in this area? 54 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 5: We actually have several species we care for. We're actually 55 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 5: considered part of Sunbear Forest here in San Diego Zoo, 56 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 5: and Sunbar Forest is comprised of the tigers, we have leopards, bears, 57 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 5: the hippos, and of course the o'coppies. 58 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: Well, you got a lot of that. 59 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's really Admittedly, I'm a big 60 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: fan of this area too. 61 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean just the trees in particular. 62 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: I think Horraticles does a great job with the fike is, 63 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: but also this really unique animal, the ocopy that I'm 64 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: guessing there's probably someone in the world that probably has 65 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 4: no idea what oocopy is. Could you describe this animal 66 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: for our listeners please? 67 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not surprising. Oh copies are relatively new to Westerners. 68 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 5: They really weren't discovered or studying until early nineteen hundreds, 69 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 5: so for US Westerners they're very relatively new animals. 70 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 6: OH copies are. 71 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 5: Actually a relative of the giraffe, so you're in the 72 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 5: giraffe day family. They have a long neck, not as 73 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 5: long as the giraffe. They are forced to animal, so 74 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 5: they're going to be living in deep forests. They have 75 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: a beautiful dark color. Their skin conve anywhere from dark 76 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 5: brown to almost a black purplish color. 77 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 78 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 5: I see that they stand about five feet tall at 79 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 5: the shoulders and a little over six feet at the 80 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 5: tip of the ear, so they are a little bit 81 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: taller than us people. 82 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 83 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: And they have that prehensile tongue or a long tongue 84 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 5: like the giraftes do that they use to browse with. 85 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 5: And being a browser, they're gonna eat leaf materials, so 86 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 5: they're going to eat things off of trees, and they 87 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: have probably about fifty or sixty different varieties of trees 88 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 5: that they can consume here at the zoo. 89 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool. 90 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: I mean, before we go into the eating portion, and 91 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: you mentioned prehensiuitich I want to talk about too. But 92 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: there's one physical attribute I look at. These people ask 93 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: me all the time, are the stripes? They're always asking me, Right. 94 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: It's funny because if you are just listening to our podcast, 95 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: and you don't know what this animal looks like. I 96 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: have heard more often than not when here at the 97 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: zoo people see an okapa, they're like, oh, it's be 98 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: related to the zebra. 99 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: I get the same thing. It's like a really tall 100 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: ze y. 101 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, because which is the stripes look very similar to 102 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: zebra stripes. Now they're on all the legs and the 103 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: hind parts, all the way down to right above the hoof. 104 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 6: Correct, correct, Yeah, they do. 105 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 5: They have those stripes, and they also help them to 106 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 5: blend in and they also allow them to find each 107 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 5: other because okopy are solitary by nature, so they're not 108 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 5: a group animal, not like giraffe at all. They live 109 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: alone in the forest, so to find each other maybe 110 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 5: during breeding season or maybe a calf following its mother, 111 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: those stripes are going to allow. 112 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 6: Them to see each other. 113 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 5: And they're also going to shade that animal when they're 114 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 5: in the forested areas and make them harder for predators 115 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 5: to see. 116 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: Oh, that's pretty cool. 117 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: It is pretty cool. 118 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: And it's kind of funny too, because you look at 119 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: those stripes, you think, off the top of your head, well, 120 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: it looks like a zebra related to the zebra. 121 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: And at a distance. 122 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: So right now they're at the far end of the 123 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: habitat for us, and at a distance you're seeing those 124 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: stripes are very obvious. 125 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: But if you come to the zoo, and we also 126 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: have them. 127 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: At the Fry Park as well, or if you go 128 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: to your local zoo, if you're not here in San 129 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: Diego and you see okopy, pay close attention to the 130 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: their head because, as Dallas mentioned, they are relatives of 131 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: the giraffe. They have that prehensile or grasping tongue like 132 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: the giraffe has for browsing or taking leaves off of 133 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: the trees. But there's other attributes on the head that 134 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: are very similar to the draffe as well, structure wise. 135 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: Correct. 136 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct. 137 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 5: So they have the long elongated muzzle like a giraffe does. 138 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 5: They also have very long, pretty eyelashes. Everybody comments those 139 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 5: actually serve a purpose. Because these guys are digging up 140 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 5: in the trees, you're gonna have debris and pieces of 141 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 5: tree matter falling into your face. Those long eyelashes are 142 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: actually protecting their eyes and keeping that debris from falling 143 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 5: in their face when they're grabbing and pulling with their tongue. 144 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: Oh, that's pretty cool. You know. 145 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 4: On the drive down here, I was trying to think of, like, 146 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: what's the difference between giraffe and o'copy and how are 147 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 4: they interacting with their habitsat We've learned that rattle sphinks 148 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: can be seed dispersers, and my brain started going like, 149 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: if you're a big mammal like an o'copy, and you're 150 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: cruising around a big forested area, you're grabbing different leaves, 151 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: is there a potential of maybe these animals being a 152 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: pollinator or a seed disperseder at all? 153 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: They helping out the forest that we know of, You know, I. 154 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 5: Believe they probably could be doing that. They're gonna disperse 155 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 5: a lot more through their feces obviously when they're ingesting, 156 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 5: because they will ingest berries and seeds and fruits and 157 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 5: other things they can find that are hanging from the trees. 158 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 5: So they're also going to disperse that through leaving piles 159 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 5: of feces around us. They're walking through the forest, which 160 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 5: is going to fertilize. You're gonna have more seeds and 161 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: you're gonna have more plant growth. 162 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: Wow, that sounded more like a casseroad to me and mego, 163 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 4: But I mean, I love that a lot of similarities, right, 164 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: thick jungle seed dispersers. Obviously it's a mammal, so it's 165 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 4: a live birth, which kind of makes me want to 166 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: ask you. There is some pretty exciting happening recently here 167 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: at the San Diego Zoo, right, can you speak about 168 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: the young baby that got born here a little bit ago? 169 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, just about two weeks ago, we had a female 170 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 5: born to our female, Subira, and it was a long 171 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 5: wait for this baby because the gestation period on an ocapi, 172 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 5: similar to the draft, is about four hundred and forty days, 173 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 5: so you're looking at almost fourteen months of pregnancy for 174 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 5: these females. 175 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: Fourteen months. 176 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: Moms hold on to the steering wheels of fourteen months? 177 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Really? 178 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: Wow? 179 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: That's quite the investment and carry up babe in your 180 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: belly for that long. 181 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is. 182 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 5: It's a lot of work for these girls, and it's 183 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 5: a lot of anticipation and they don't really obviously notice 184 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 5: too much when they're first starting out, But towards the 185 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 5: end of the pregnancy, you could tell that Subira was 186 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 5: getting ready to how she was getting a little bigger, 187 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 5: a little more uncomfortable. It took quite a while to 188 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: get there, and her appetite obviously went through the roof 189 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: as she got closer to getting well. 190 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: We were waiting for you to come to the habitsat. 191 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: I was hearing guests talk about it. 192 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: So everyone's really really excited about this, really happy news 193 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: here at the zoo. 194 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're really excited this year. This is Subira's fourth baby, 195 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 5: so she's an excellent mom. She's about twelve years old 196 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 5: and in captivity, Oh, copies can live up into their thirties, 197 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: so she's still. 198 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 6: A young mom. 199 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: I mean to make sense, thrown in a managed care, 200 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: got a great health system, your food right here ready 201 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: to go. 202 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: You got amazing wildlife. 203 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 5: Care happening too, exactly, and Subera was just ready for 204 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 5: this calf. We're really excited because this was the first 205 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: time we've had a calf born on habitat. Normally, when 206 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: Subira gives birth, it's in the winter, so it's cold, 207 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: so we can't have a baby out here in the. 208 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: Right because we're talking about their habitat and the congo 209 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: right where. 210 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 6: It's between seventy and ninety all the time. 211 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 5: So here when she would give birth a lot of times, 212 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 5: and this was just due to breeding when the males 213 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 5: would breede, because you have not a year, but fourteen rights, right, 214 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so a lot of times these calves are 215 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 5: going to come in the winter, so she would give 216 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: birth in the barn where we have heat and everything 217 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: else set up for her. But this year for breeding 218 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 5: with Capoo, who is the father of our calf, the 219 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 5: breeding took place earlier. This year, Capoo was on the ball, 220 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 5: so she actually gave birth in the summer. So we 221 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: decided to, you know, hey, let's let her have it 222 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: in the habitat where normally they. 223 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 6: Would have it. 224 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: So we're super excited that she's doing very well. The 225 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 5: calf's tucking, and of course our guests are just over 226 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 5: the moon being able to see a calf this young. 227 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: For us, non mammal people, tucking, what is tucking means? 228 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 5: So tucking is what we call with a lot of 229 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 5: the hoof stock, where the calves will hide and find 230 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: a nice safe space, whether it's a tall pile of 231 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: grass or in a cave or some area where there's 232 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: bushes they can get under. And obviously that's for safety, right, 233 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 5: Mom's not going to stay with the kid. Mom's going 234 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: to go out and eat and make milk and come back, 235 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 5: so that calf's going to be by itself, so it 236 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 5: finds a nice, comfortable, safe space for itself to sit 237 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 5: and relax. And the great thing about it is with 238 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: these kids, they don't have any smell, so there's no 239 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 5: scent to them, no scent. 240 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 6: They're born without scent, so it's so. 241 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: Hard for a predator to try and find these little guys, right, 242 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 5: it keeps them nice and safe. 243 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 6: Mom obviously has a sense she's an adult. 244 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 5: Animal, so she stays away from the calf when she's 245 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 5: not nursing or giving it a bath or caring for it, 246 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: because that's going to keep that calf safer because moms 247 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: scent could potentially attract it. 248 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: A predator near. 249 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: Okay, so I have two questions too, That's cool, I 250 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: didn't know that. 251 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: First of all, I want to go back to the 252 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: fourteen months, and then I have a question about predators. Okay, So, 253 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: first of all, fourteen months, if I remember correctly, the 254 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: longer the gestation usually, then when the baby does come out, 255 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: it pretty much can rock and roll and get moving 256 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: if it needs to. Within a short period of time. 257 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: Is that the same for O copies like dirafts, like 258 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: they can stand up within a half hour an hour, 259 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: and yeah. 260 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 5: Oh copy kids are going to stand up quick and 261 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 5: oh copy babies are going to weigh about fifty pounds 262 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: when they're born. Subira are adult female And by the way, 263 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 5: females are bigger than males, like. 264 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 6: The connection that females are bigger than the males. 265 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: So that calf is about fifty pounds when she was born, 266 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 5: and she stood probably within about thirty and it's a 267 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 5: birth and then was nursing within about thirty five minutes 268 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 5: of birth. 269 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: Nice. 270 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 6: But by talking, what she's doing is she's resting. And 271 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 6: when you're resting, you're growing. 272 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: Right. 273 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, all that beautiful milk that mom's given her, 274 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: that's all going to help her get bigger and bigger 275 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: and bigger. 276 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 6: So if she's just resting, she's just growing. 277 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 5: And so in a few weeks she's going to be 278 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 5: probably about double her size, which is what we want. 279 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: Right. 280 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 5: The bigger you are, the safer you're going to be. 281 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 5: So by talking and resting, all of that energy that 282 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 5: she's getting from mom is going to growing and making herself. 283 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: Bigger, talk about super milk. I had no idea that 284 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: females are bigger. My brain's swirling right now. But you Rick, 285 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: you had a question about a predator. 286 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've talked a little about the importance of 287 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: talking the fact that the baby does not have a 288 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: scent to it, therefore it's harder for a predator to 289 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: find it. 290 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that we live in a 291 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: very dense. 292 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: Forest, that these stripes on the legs help the baby 293 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: follow mom when it needs to, but also going to 294 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: help them blend into the environment as the light comes 295 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: through that worst and breaks into light and dark patterns. 296 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: What is their natural predator in the jungles of the 297 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: congo in that deep forest of Africa. 298 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 5: So you're obviously going to have large cat species that 299 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 5: are going to be your predators. You're also going to 300 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 5: possibly have smaller cats, or you could even have reptiles 301 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 5: in that area if you're near a wire source. 302 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: A crocodile, right, or a leopard maybe. 303 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, So you're going to have these different species. But again, 304 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: for these guys, they're so elusive. I mean, if you 305 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 5: look at the O copy and you see those big 306 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 5: satellite ears and those ears work independently. They can turn 307 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 5: different directions, so they're going to be using that sound 308 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: reference to make sure they're keeping themselves safe. 309 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 6: So that's another way. 310 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 5: Oh, copies keep themselves safe, and that makes them harder 311 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 5: to study, right because they hear. 312 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 6: You, oh yeah, I'm out long before you will find that. 313 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: I was about to say too, with the fact that 314 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: it took humans as long as it did to go, 315 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: this is a real animal that exists in the wild. 316 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: And again I think kids that they might go well 317 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds, that was forever ago, but in the 318 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: scheme of humans understanding the world around them and documenting 319 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: taxonomy animals, that was pretty late in the game when 320 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: it comes to that process. 321 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: So clearly, being in a dense forest, eye. 322 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: Sight's important for finding food and things close proximity, but 323 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: that hearing is going to be most important for making 324 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: sure you stay clear of somebody like a leopard. But 325 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: leopards have good hearing too, So it does make me wonder. 326 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Like, how do they communicate? 327 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: I K don't know the answer, but tell us Dallas 328 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 3: about how mom and baby communicate and if that's something 329 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: that comes into play for avoiding the predator. 330 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. 331 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 6: Oh copies do make different sounds. 332 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: They will make a tough sound, they'll make a bleat sound, 333 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 5: So they have different sounds that they can make that 334 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 5: we will hear oh copies. Because they are solitary, so 335 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 5: they spend most of their time alone, males by themselves, 336 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 5: females by themselves, their vocalizations are not often heard, and 337 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 5: it's also believed that they have subsonic noises that. 338 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 6: They can make. 339 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 5: So I can't hear them, you can't hear them, and 340 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: perhaps predators can't hear them as well. But again, like 341 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 5: a lot of post stock, they may not actually communicate 342 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 5: through vocalization like we do, but through scent. 343 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 344 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 5: So they actually have scent glands in between their toes. 345 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 5: They have the split toes, so the two toes and 346 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 5: they have a scent gland in between there, and so 347 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 5: when they walk, they're leading scent. So that's another way 348 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 5: for these guys to communicate. Now, whether or not a 349 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 5: predator can pick up on that scent, I'm not aware of. 350 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 5: But other ocopies can pick up on those scents as well, 351 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 5: So that's another way for them to communicate quietly. 352 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: And we know from other animals and other studies done 353 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: that as the hormones and chemicals within a mammal's body changes, 354 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: the scent changes. So that's probably one of the really 355 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: key factors for the female to let the male know 356 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: she's cycling through and ready for a possible mate if 357 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: they're a good match, is through those scent changing on 358 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: the hooks. And then I remember reading when it comes 359 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: to the subsonic sound that that was a huge surprise 360 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: for scientists when they were doing some recordings and they 361 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: picked up these sounds that they believe are low enough 362 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: that the leopards can't even hear either, which is just 363 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: insane to me. It's so crazy that they've been able 364 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: to evolve this level of communication that mom and baby 365 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: can chat without the leopard even being able to tag 366 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: about it at all. 367 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: I love that we learned from the previous episode of 368 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: the Castories that they're doing the same same thing. But 369 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: it makes me excited thinking all these different animals different 370 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: continents have the same sort of behavioral attributes. Survival techniques 371 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 4: are living in a dense, forced area, so that's really 372 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: they do. 373 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 5: They find their niches in these areas, and the copies 374 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: another great adaptation they have is they're also on the move. 375 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 6: During the day it's going they're going to be moving. 376 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: They're going to be constantly foraging and constantly moving throughout 377 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 5: their territories. 378 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 6: So if you're not standing still, that's another. 379 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 5: Way that you are not going to be a potential 380 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 5: meal because you're constantly on the move. Females have been 381 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 5: known to be active almost all all day long and 382 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 5: maybe resting at night, and males are moving even more 383 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 5: than females because they're on the problem. So these guys 384 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 5: are constantly moving, which again that's another way for them 385 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 5: to avoid predators because they're not holding still with their 386 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 5: scentse and so it's a little harder to track them 387 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 5: if you're constantly moving. 388 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's interesting. 389 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: I am curious because we do know just from when 390 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: we talk about what's happening with the getting Oh wait, 391 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: hold on, we're talking. 392 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Just I'm excited, so I'm whispering. That's how excited a 393 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: coppy baby. But is what I'm seeing, because that's adorable. 394 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I see when you. 395 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 4: Mentioned the caver, I wasn't really clear on what you 396 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: were referencing. But so everyone's aware they're on the habitat 397 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: here we're in the VIP space byll the way, so 398 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: there is a tour you can get a really special 399 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: copy experience. 400 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: But if you're looking at the habitat to the right. 401 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: You can see what looks like a sort of like 402 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: mini cave structure, and we're just seeing the little youngster 403 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: starting to puck out a little bit. 404 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: Which is it dorble place to talk. 405 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's almost like they plan that. 406 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: This is for us to thank you very much. 407 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 6: Those are the ideal places for the calves. 408 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: And we just strategically put a little grass in front 409 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 5: of that cave just to give her more of that 410 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: tuck to look good, and she'll come out and nurse 411 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 5: and she'll go right back to her tuck Spox. 412 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Coming out, she stepping out of the cave, she's what 413 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: how high? Like three feet? 414 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's probably maybe three feet tall the shoulders, but 415 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 5: they basically look like a miniature adult. 416 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: I was about to say, they come out ready to 417 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: rock and roll in thirty minutes. 418 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 5: And she sees her mom over at the hay feet 419 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: or you see Superas over there eating, so she's a mom. 420 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 6: I think it's time to nurse and it's interesting too. 421 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: They have those same stripe patterns you're referencing earlier. Right, 422 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 4: especially on the rear end there you can see very prominent. 423 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: He'll blend in. 424 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 5: And if you watch her when she goes to nurse, 425 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: you know she's not going to mom's front. She's looking 426 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 5: at those stripes in the back because those stripes in 427 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 5: the back are covered in the milk machine, which is 428 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 5: the udder where she wants me. 429 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Ask you kind of like zebras, Are they unique. 430 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: The stripe pattern Yes, the stripe patterns are just like 431 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 5: that of Zebras, where everybody has a little bit different. 432 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Cool. 433 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: Okay, she's got a little squiggy to land the baby 434 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 4: on the left rear leg there. 435 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: That's adorable. Oh wow. All right. 436 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: So if you are listening to the podcast and you're 437 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: hearing us gush about this adorable baby, I encourage you 438 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 3: to go to the San Diego Zoo social media, whether 439 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: it's Facebook or Instagram or wherever. They have done some 440 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: great posts about this. Now, this guy was born about 441 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: two weeks ago, Dallas said, while we're recording this, but 442 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 3: this episode comes out in about two weeks, so you'll 443 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: have to go back about four weeks in the social 444 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: media to find it because they're always posting such great 445 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: content there. But the San Diego Zoo social media team 446 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: has already covered some great baby photos of this kid. 447 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: It is adorable and it's amazing to me. It literally 448 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: looks like an adult just miniaturized. So it goes to 449 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: show that the survival side of things, it's so important 450 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: that they can get up a walk and blend into 451 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: their environment just like mom does, so they can make 452 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 3: it in the wilds like they do. 453 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 4: So well, it's so amazing and what a great area too. 454 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 4: It's well whatever eight conservation centers. You know, we have 455 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: savannahs Australia of course the Southwest, but the African forces 456 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 4: so many unique types of wildlife from bonobo's to gorillas 457 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 4: to a copy too. So what a cool experience of 458 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 4: that their guess gets to view this as well. As 459 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: we're talking and saying, all these guests are there taking 460 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 4: shots and videos of this. So you think, right now, 461 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 4: the baby is asking for some milk, possibly your little She. 462 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 5: Is definitely going to be looking for a nursing opportunity. 463 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 5: I can see as I watched Sabira Suberra is taking 464 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: this opportunity to give the kid a bath. 465 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long time. You weren't kidding about. 466 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 5: That fascinating which some people might find or might find gross. 467 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 5: Again when we're talking predators, right, Okay, baby's gonna things 468 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 5: go in, things come out. Yeah, okay, Well we don't 469 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 5: want that attracting a predator either. So Subira, being the 470 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 5: great mom that she is, she's going to stimulate that 471 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 5: calf to defecate, and then Subira is going to consume 472 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 5: all of that mater. Interesting, I mean, and that's going 473 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: to number one. 474 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: It's actually number two, a number two. 475 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: I was ready for that. 476 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 5: At number two is not going to be around for 477 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 5: a predator to pick up a scent for it or 478 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 5: be attracted to. 479 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: It's not that gross to be honestly. I mean, there's 480 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: other mammal species, you know, like a wall and be 481 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 4: as a baby, they need. 482 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: To eat their parents. 483 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: Helps with the digest digestive system. 484 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. That's really this is just a. 485 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 5: Great way for the okapi to help maintain that safety 486 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 5: for their calves because now there's nothing for predators. 487 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: That's what it's like. 488 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: Super hyper stealth is so much about blending in no 489 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 4: scent as a baby, right, the stripe pattern eating the 490 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 4: ecal matter of your baby to hide away in those forests. 491 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: So, Dallas, do we know what their numbers are like 492 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: in the wild right now or how they're doing or 493 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: is it kind of hard to tell because it's so 494 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: hard to like even know that they're there. 495 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. 496 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 5: They're hard to know that they're even there. Many locals 497 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 5: who live in the areas, a lot of them have 498 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 5: never even seen one. Oh wow, they know they exist. 499 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of. 500 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 6: People see them just on camera traps. 501 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 5: They do a lot of the cameras, so they're taking 502 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: pictures of them and from looking at scat and guessing 503 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 5: their numbers in the Iteri forested area are probably around 504 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 5: thirteen thousand to fifteen thousand. 505 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 6: But that's the only place in the world where these 506 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 6: animals are found. 507 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 5: Nowhere else in Africa are okapy found but in this 508 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 5: one particular area in the Congo that he. 509 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: Speaks to the success that we're doing here at San 510 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: Diego Zoo to help out with the population. Can I 511 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: ask you, is there an SSP, a species survival plan 512 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: that we're involved in here in the United States? 513 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 5: There is we recently just came out with a care 514 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 5: manual for O copies that is being shared with different facilities, 515 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: so we've been given access to that, which is fantastic. 516 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 5: But most of the knowledge that we have of okapies 517 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 5: has only been learned from studying O copies in zoo environments, 518 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 5: so we've been able to garner a lot of information 519 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: from that, and we do have a species survival plan 520 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 5: for the okapies, just like many of the other animals 521 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: we have here at the zoo. And the father of 522 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 5: this beautiful little girl, Capo, actually came from Cans so 523 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 5: he's a Kansas Man. So these guys will travel around 524 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 5: the country and in some cases around the globe for 525 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 5: breeding and again we'll see different things. You could get 526 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 5: them some from Germany or you know, from the East coast. 527 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 4: Also a reminder to work together and collaborate, right, it 528 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: makes you think of Sabolski's horse another shower. It's because 529 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 4: of zoos and aquariums that we still have these animals 530 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 4: alive today, so that's really really wicked. 531 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 5: And Sabira has raised three boys that are now out 532 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: fathering other babies around the country as well. 533 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 6: So Sabira is a grandmother. 534 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: And so with the different copies you've worked with in 535 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: your time Dallas as a wildlife care specialist, do they 536 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: all have their own personalities? We've heard from the giraft 537 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: team at the Fireparks that they definitely all have their 538 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: own personalities. 539 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 5: I think for every animal I've ever worked with, everyone 540 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 5: has a different personality. Subira for me, she was really 541 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: the first okopy I had experience with, and I've always 542 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 5: felt like she's the supermodel and I am the groveling 543 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 5: you know, yes, I. 544 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 6: Am so in love with you. You're a fantast and 545 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: she's all, yes, I know, thank you. 546 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: I mean I can see why because she is one. 547 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm assuming you have a wonderful relationship with these animals. 548 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Can ask you The skin feels so velvety, is it? 549 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 5: So it's velvety, but it's actually has an oil to it, 550 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 5: so it's got a sene on it and it's kind 551 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 5: of greasy. It feels kind of greasy, which you again, 552 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: rainforest animal in the forest, moisture, humidity, it's going to 553 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 5: protect their skin. And it's also great too because if 554 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 5: you're moving through thickets and protecting bushes, yeah, you're you're sleek, 555 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 5: and you want to be sleek because you don't want 556 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 5: to get all scraped up as you're moving through the 557 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 5: forest area. 558 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: That's cool. 559 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 5: So she's got built in water protection as well as 560 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 5: being sleek so that she's not going to scratch yourself 561 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: up moving through thickets or what if she gets scared 562 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 5: and she runs right thicket, you know, gets cut up. Yeah, 563 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: so those things are perfect little about patients that they 564 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 5: have that do help protect them. 565 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 4: Wow, must be so impressive if you ever get the 566 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: opportunity to see when gallop through a force, I'm sure 567 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 4: that is just breathtaking. 568 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: As mom and baby are coming right by. 569 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: Though. 570 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: Can I ask you, Dallas, do you have like a 571 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 3: favorite attribute or a favorite thing about the O copy Like, 572 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: is there some fun fact that you're like, Oh, this 573 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: is just the coolest thing, or just you in general, 574 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: it's not a fun fact. 575 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: There's something about them that you love. 576 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 5: I think for me, the coolest thing about the O 577 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 5: copies is just their ears. Oh yeah, there are these 578 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 5: satellites that just pick up every sound in the mornings 579 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: when there's no folks in the zoo. I can hear 580 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 5: Sube kind of getting a little restless and It'll take 581 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: me a few seconds, but I'll realize there's a truck 582 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: up at the front of the zoo. 583 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 6: She's here. 584 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: Before I out, she'll hear a noise, and maybe about 585 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 5: three seconds later, I'll actually hear the noise. So to me, 586 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 5: it's just fascinating and their ears are just so huge, 587 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 5: and plus that's one of the things that Suberra will 588 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 5: actually enjoy is getting the back of those ears rubbed. 589 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 4: What a cool privilege you have with that, I gotta 590 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 4: ask you, because she's right here, she's everyone listening. 591 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: She's literally eating, like right in front of us right now, 592 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: the baby. But actually look inside the mouth rig. I'm 593 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: seeing like it doesn't look like the standard dent. 594 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 6: There are no teeth. 595 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 5: They only have a gum on the top, oh yeah, 596 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 5: and on the bottom, so where the canines and the 597 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 5: incisors would be, it's more of a gummy effect on 598 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 5: the top and then on the bottom they're just small 599 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 5: incisors very minute. 600 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 6: But in the back is where they have those large moles. 601 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: Right all right, because it's a browser. 602 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: Right to your point, she's picking different kinds of leafy material. 603 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 4: Is there a preferred plant source that you know in Africa? 604 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: That these animals are forged or is it kind of 605 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: I've read a gorillas as an example, that gorilla's in 606 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 4: the forest like it's like a big salad. 607 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Bar for whatever the gorillas. 608 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I would imagine the same thing. 609 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 5: To my knowledge, there's probably over one hundred different tree 610 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 5: species that these guys can consume. Wow. 611 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Wow. 612 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: Here in San Diego, Sube's favorite things are and elm 613 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 5: and grew ya. So these are some of the ones 614 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 5: that she really enjoys to eat. But a lot of 615 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: their daily food comes from acasha, which we have several 616 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: different species of acasha. 617 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 6: That we can grow for these guys. 618 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 5: And of course depends on the time of the year, right, 619 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 5: what's growing best at that time of the year, so 620 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 5: the palatability. And she of course is a big produce lover. 621 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 5: Everybody loves the produce, so she's a big carried eater. 622 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 6: She likes yams. 623 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: That's so cool. I almost wish you would cruntchle out 624 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: us so we can get it on the microphone. Wreck 625 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: a right. 626 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 4: Oh wow, I just love it because all of us, 627 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 4: three of us, we've worked here for so long and 628 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: yet we still get excited to me see moments like this. 629 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: It's why animals is so amazing Tommy, Right, they connect 630 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 4: with us in such a cool way. 631 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 3: Well, and speaking of that, Marco and all of us 632 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: working for clearly Dallas, you know so much about the species. 633 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 3: You've done a lot of work here at the San 634 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: Diego Zoo and working with these animals. For anybody in 635 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: our audience that would like to maybe think about you know, 636 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: I just heard ill I was talking about a copy. 637 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: I want to do that someday too. 638 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: What was your path? 639 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: How did you get here and be able to basically 640 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: spend every day with this incredibly unique African forest animal. 641 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 5: My path actually started in the Midwest. So I grew 642 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 5: up on a farm. Oh so, I was a farm kid, 643 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 5: and I wanted to, of course continue that tradition of 644 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 5: working with agriculture and farm animals. So I went to 645 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 5: college to get a degree in animal science. Oh cool, 646 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 5: and I did a internship at Brookfield Zoo. 647 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: Nice, and I left the farm. 648 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 5: Because I fell in love with wildlife and I felt 649 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 5: like there was so much more I could do with 650 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 5: conservation and wildlife, and it just kind of became my passion. 651 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: Sure makes sense to me about this. 652 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 5: To learn about these incredible animals and of course bring 653 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 5: them to our guests and to the people that listen 654 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: to you guys, you know, just to let them know 655 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: how amazing nature really is and how much we need 656 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 5: to protect it and understand it. 657 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: Definitely appreciate that, Dallas in Dallas. Before we wrap this up, 658 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: is there anything we. 659 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 3: Haven't touched on yet about the old copy that you 660 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: would want to make sure our audience. 661 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: Gets to hear. 662 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 5: I think the most important thing is just that every animal, 663 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 5: including the O copies, they have a niche in the 664 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 5: world and just like we do, and I think the 665 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 5: O copies fill. 666 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 6: That niche and so many people find them for the 667 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 6: first time. 668 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 5: So for me, when people come to the zoo, they've 669 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 5: actually discovered a new species. And I love that about 670 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 5: the O copies because they love to be seen. Sube 671 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: loves to eat. 672 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 6: And show off herself and gorgeous. 673 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 5: It's kind of an all moment I see for a 674 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 5: lot of people who have never even heard of an 675 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 5: o'copy and to come here and see Sube. 676 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 6: She's just such a great representative of. 677 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 5: What amazing animals, plants, and creatures we have and we 678 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 5: share with the world. 679 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Well, said Anika. What a cool experience. 680 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: This is the first time you see the baby sea, 681 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: so this is definitely a special one for me. Right, 682 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: this is really. 683 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 6: Entire time. 684 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: I've just been staring at these animals. And I know 685 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: I'm a bird gay, but guys, I mean, look at this. 686 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: I'm staying at the baby right now. You got to 687 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 4: get your butts at the zoo. Nevermind, there got a milk, 688 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: Mustag got a milk, must Rick said earlier. There's a 689 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: copy at the Safari Park. There's also at the zoo. 690 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: But if you want to see this youngster growing up 691 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: with her mama, please come down here. 692 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Technically, this area what it's called. 693 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 6: For guests, they called the Chery Forest. 694 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: Area Chery Forest Area. 695 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 6: They're just south of the tigers, right behind the hippos. 696 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: Don't go past. 697 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 4: It's easy it is to because they're kind of tucked 698 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 4: in the back being next to the hippos are in 699 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: the forest area. 700 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: And I will say this, if you come by this 701 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: area and you don't see them, make sure you plan 702 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: to come by a second time because just in the 703 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: thirty some minutes we've been here, we didn't see anybody 704 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: at first, and then we saw a mom wandering around 705 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: in the background, and then baby came out to drink, 706 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: and now they're right here. 707 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, hey, take your time at habitats and if 708 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: there's a species you really want. 709 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: To see, come back multiple times to that area because 710 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: you might see something you didn't see before. 711 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dallas, thank you so much for spending time with 712 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: us today. 713 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 6: Thank you for showing off our beautiful old copies. 714 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're great, and these animals are amazing, of course. 715 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: I just really appreciate your time. 716 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 717 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, friend, and good luck with the baby. 718 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: Thank you can see it grow up. Ooh that was 719 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: really exciting, right Rick, Oh my gosh. 720 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: That baby. I can't even right now, my flufy. 721 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 4: On the face, the stripes, and it's like a mini 722 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: mama too, which is incredible. 723 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: The beauty of. 724 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Wildlife and the uniqueness of it. 725 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 4: Every animal is different, but like to Dallas's point, every 726 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: animal has a niche or role to play in our 727 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 4: beautiful blue planet. 728 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: Right. Well, absolutely absolutely, And I love to the sounds 729 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 3: that they make. Then how there's no smell to the baby, 730 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 3: how all the different things they have to help survive 731 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: in the wild. 732 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: But when she was talking about. 733 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: How sometimes the mom will react to a sound and 734 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, she'll hear it a little 735 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: bit later. You know what. 736 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: It reminded me of like having a dog at home 737 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: and you're like, you're relaxing. 738 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: And they forgot because they hear. 739 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: Something, and you're like, what, because I hearing is so 740 00:30:59,640 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: much better. 741 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: But again, if you aren't able to come to the 742 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: zoo's fire park, and you can't visit a zoo that 743 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: hasward copy, look up what they look like. 744 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: Go to the San Diego Zoo social media to check 745 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: these guys out. Their ears are huge and it's adorable. 746 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: They look so cute. Moms right now still in front 747 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: of us eating and it just it's so nah. I mean, 748 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: I can stay here all day, eat all day, but 749 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: I can say I know. 750 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm getting hunger myself. No, but back to just the 751 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: forested animals. 752 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: Like earlier, we did a castory episode now with these 753 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: guys in the congo. But I believe our next episode 754 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: we're still gonna be in the theme of the deep forest. 755 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: Right in this interview, you did mention that the gorillas 756 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: that live in a similar forests at African areas. 757 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, have the salad bar. They're always eating right. 758 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: Just so happens, We're gonna go back up to the. 759 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: Safari Park next back to the Park of the I know. 760 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: And we're gonna find out more about what's going on 761 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: with our gorillas. 762 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: No, I can't wait, Marco what and I am Rich Schwartz. 763 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. 764 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: For more information about the San Diego Zoo and San 765 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: Diego Zoo Safari Park, go to SDZWA dot org. Amazing 766 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: Wildlife is a production of iHeartRadio. 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