1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. At dusk in early August, 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: I saw lights in the sky. My wife and I 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: were having dinner with another couple. We were at my 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: family's summer cottage on an island in Lake Winnipesauke. My 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: wife saw them first, four or five red lights hovering 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: above the horizon. It's impossible to say how far away 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: they were. It was dark, and it's hard to estimate 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: distances over water anyway, but they were at least a 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: few miles off, probably more. We walked down from the 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: porch and onto the dock. The lights moved slowly. They 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: would be in one shape and then shift to another. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: At some point, two or three other lights material realized. 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: We watched for several minutes. Four years later, we all 15 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: have different memories about how it ended. I still don't 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: know what we saw that night in the New Hampshire sky. 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: One person agreed with me that it was probably something ordinary, 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: we just couldn't figure out what. But the other two 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: shared a different opinion. They thought it was probably a UFO, 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: something from outer space. We also can't agree on how 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: the night ended. Those of us looking for an earthly explanation, 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: remember the lights blinking out one by one, as though 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: they had lost power. Those who thought the lights were extraterrestrial, 24 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: remember them flying off at great speeds. Nobody is budging 25 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: on their memory. This incident was the colonel that began 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: this podcast. If we all witnessed the same event, why 27 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: would two of us think aliens and to think anything 28 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: but aliens? More crucially, how did this initial assumption change 29 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: the way we remembered what we saw. To try to 30 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: get an answer to these questions, I decided to take 31 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: a look at another sighting, one that took place almost 32 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: sixty years ago, at a spot about an hour's drive 33 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: from where we stood that night. I'm Toby Ball and 34 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: this is Strange Arrivals, Episode one, Falling Star. In September, 35 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy had been president for eight months, making 36 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: it only five months since the Bay of Pike's fiasco. 37 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: That same month, Russian cosmonaut Jurger Garan became the first 38 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: person in space, prompting President Kennedy to call for a 39 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: national initiative to put a man on the Moon by 40 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: the end of the decade. Of the world now look 41 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: into space to the moon end of the planets beyond. 42 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: During that same September, Betty and Barney Hill took a vacation. 43 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: The couple lived in Portsmouth, a small city on New 44 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: Hampshire's Atlantic coast. They drove west across Massachusetts at New 45 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: York State to see Niagara Falls. From there, they crossed 46 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: into Canada and visited Toronto. They were planning to drive 47 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: east and spend a final night in Montreal before returning home, 48 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: but that plan changed. Barney Hill was African American. He 49 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: worked a graveyard shift as a distribution clerk in the 50 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: South Boston Postal Annex. Every day he made a grueling 51 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: two hour commute from their home in Portsmith to the north. 52 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: His wife, Betty Hill, was white. She was a social 53 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: worker for the state of New Hampshire. Both were active 54 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: in the community, particularly on the issue of civil rights. 55 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Barney was an officer in the Portsmouth n Double A 56 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: c P, a member of the New Hampshire State Advisory 57 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Board of the U S Civil Rights Commission, and a 58 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: member of the board of directors of the Rockingham County 59 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: Poverty Program. Betty was involved in the N Double A 60 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: c P as well, and was the United Nations envoy 61 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: to the Unitarian Universalist Church of Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Their 62 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: civil rights work even earned them an invitation to Lyndon 63 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: Johnson's presidential inauguration. In short, they were professionals and respected 64 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: members of their community. On the night of September, instead 65 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: of spending the night in Montreal as initially planned, Betty 66 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: and Barney decided to drive home. Why did they change 67 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: their minds depends on who you ask. It could be 68 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: that they got lost in Montreal and were unsettled because 69 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't understand directions given in French, or that they 70 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: wanted to get home before tropical Storm Esther arrived in 71 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: New England, or maybe they simply ran out of money. Regardless, 72 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: they cut their vacations short and headed home. Betty and 73 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: Barney re entered the United States at a remote border 74 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: crossing near the town of Colebrook, New Hampshire. It was 75 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: there they stopped to eat before making their way back 76 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: on the road. Two years later, Betty and Barney would 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: undergo hypnosis to try to recall the strange events of 78 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: this night. These sessions were recorded and transcripts made, so 79 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: we have a detailed account of Betty and Barney stop 80 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: in Colebrook. The recordings, with a couple of exceptions, continue 81 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: to be in private hands, but the transcripts are available. 82 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: In a couple of places, we will use actual audio 83 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: from Betty and Barney's separate hypnosis sessions. In other places, 84 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: actors will read from transcripts. And one of these sessions 85 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: that took place on February n Barney recalled this visit 86 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: to the restaurant performed here by an actor. There is 87 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: a dars skinned woman in there. I think dark by 88 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: Caucasian standards, and I wonder is she a light skinned 89 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: Negro or is she Indian? Or is she white? She 90 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: waits on us and she is not very friendly. And 91 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: I noticed this, and others are there and they're looking 92 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: at me and at Betty, and they seem to be 93 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: friendly or please, but the dark skinned woman doesn't. I 94 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: wanted them more so is she Negro? And I wonder 95 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: if I if if she is wondering, if I if 96 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I know she is me growing and is passing for white. 97 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: I eat a Hamburg and I have come in patient 98 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: with Betty tonight to drink her coffee so we can 99 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: get started. And in the clock on my watch says 100 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: five minutes after ten, and I know I should be 101 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: in Port Smith. I think by two o'clock. They left 102 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Colebrook heading south on a dark, remote highway. They were 103 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: about sixty miles south of the Canadian border when it happened. Well. 104 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: Barney was driving, Betty caught something out the window. When 105 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: they were about four miles south of Lancaster, New Hampshire, 106 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: Betty spotted a new light in the sky. Kathleen Martin 107 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: is the director of Experiencer Research for the Mutual UFO 108 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Network or mouf ON. I am also the niece of 109 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill. I was thirteen years old when 110 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: they had their experience in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. 111 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: At first, she thought of a falling star, but she 112 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: realized that falling stars don't fall upwards, and that's what 113 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: this one was doing. She thought, well, could it possibly 114 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: be a satellite? But that didn't make sense either. My 115 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: family was interested in the space program, and my grandfather, 116 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: brother and I used to go out and look for 117 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: satellites at night. They continued to drive south on Route 118 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: three through upstate New Hampshire, and she was watching this 119 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: light in the sky as it grew larger and larger. 120 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: It was a bright light night, so it was easy 121 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: to see outside. The moon was about three quarters full. 122 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: As she watched this, and it grew larger and larger. 123 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: She became very curious, so south of Twin Mountain, she 124 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: asked Barnie to stop by the side of the road. 125 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: This was at the Mount Cleveland picnic area, and got 126 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: out of the car with binoculars and looked up at 127 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: this thing in the sky. The perplexing thing is that 128 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: it did not make any sound whatsoever. Barney was arguing 129 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: that it must be a commercial plane and they simply 130 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: couldn't hear it and route to perhaps Montreal or Toronto. 131 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: And then this thing, this object bounced back and the 132 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: sky toward Barney. He realized it was highly unusual. He 133 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: was still attempting to identify it. Betty had already returned 134 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: to the car. He got in and said, oh, it's 135 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: it's really nothing, It's just a plane. They entered Franconian 136 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Notch State Park, where steep mountains rise on each side 137 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: of the road and there are no houses to be seen. 138 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: This stretch is one of the most beautiful in New 139 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Hampshire and isolated it can also be claustrophobic, especially at night. 140 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: So they proceeded self into Anconia Notch and as they 141 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: passed by Cannon Mountain, they got a view of this 142 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: object passing over the top of a building on top 143 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: of the mountain, and the light in the building blinked 144 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: out as it passed by. Strange arrivals will return in 145 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: a moment. As they entered Franconia Notch, Betty and Barney 146 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: watched as the light that they've been tracking flew over 147 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: Cannon Mountain. In a hypnosis transcript read here by an actress, 148 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Betty described losing track of the object. I don't know 149 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: if it went down in the valley between the two 150 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: mountains or if it turned its light off. And this 151 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: puzzled me because I kept looking for it, and then 152 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe they're going away. They are and 153 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: interested in us. But then we came out by Old 154 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Man of the Mountains, and there it was. The Old 155 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Man in the mountain was a rock formation in Franconian 156 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Notch that looked like the profile of a craggy face. 157 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: From the time they lived Mount Cleveland Picnic area. They 158 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: perceived that the light was following them The couple made 159 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: several brief stops to get a look at it, but 160 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: it was there stopped by the old man in the mountain, 161 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: that caused a change in their experience. What had been 162 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: a point of light in the sky was now a 163 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: craft of some sort, a physical object with a shape 164 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: and a size, and colored lights, and it made no sound. 165 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: They stopped again at the base of the old man 166 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: of the mountain. They got out and they looked up 167 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: at this thing again through binoculars. The old man's profile, 168 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: I believe is forty eight feet from warhead to chimp. 169 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: And they then were able to measure the diameter of 170 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: this object. They said that it was about one and 171 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: a half times, maybe a little more the length of 172 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: the old man's profile. That's about seventy five or six 173 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: cars lined up back to back. As they're watching it, 174 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: it appeared to be lighted on only one side, and 175 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: it appeared to be rotating, which was very perplexing. And 176 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: then it started to move in a stair step pattern, 177 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: this very unusual pattern. Barney, of course, was in a hurry. 178 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: He wanted to get home. He was wide awake, he 179 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: had been well rested the night before. But they knew 180 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: that they could stop for some rest if they grew tired. 181 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: At this point about Barney being well arrested would become 182 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: a matter of dispute later on. So they got into 183 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: the car. They drove self, and as they exited Franconian 184 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: Notch and came into North Lincoln, that object swooped down 185 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: in the sky, and then they realized that it was 186 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: a highly unusual craft. Barney stopped the car in the 187 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: center of the highway because the object was overhead, and 188 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: the object at first appeared to be about two hundred 189 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: feet high, and then it appeared to descend to about 190 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: a hundred feet above their vehicle. We saw the object 191 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: off in a great distance. It appeared to be winking, 192 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: but now that it was closed, it looked as if 193 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: there was just one solid band of light and this 194 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: was moving back with it. This is Barney interviewed by 195 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: Harv Morgan for the Cleveland based radio show Contact on 196 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: October three years after the fact. And I had closed 197 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: the car down to appoximately five Well, this was very 198 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: up Addy, So I came to a complete stop in 199 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: the center of the highway. I got out of the 200 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: car and I took the binoculis. I rested my left 201 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: arm on the door that was opened at the car 202 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: door and my right elbow on the roof of the car, 203 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: and I tried to look, but the car was motor 204 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: was running, so I had to step away. As I 205 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: stepped away from the car, the object swung from the 206 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: passenger side over to the left, which would have been 207 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: the side that I was driving, making a large art 208 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: like turn, placing it over a field. Barney was transfixed 209 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: by the ship. He walked away from the car and 210 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: into the field to a point where he was just 211 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: below the craft. There was absolutely no sound associated with 212 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: this object. It must have at the time been approximately 213 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: a hundred feet up above my head. This would be 214 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: about ten stories up. The size of it was about 215 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: to approximately if you were looking at a large military 216 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: plane or at any commercial airliner. From tail to head. 217 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: This is the size of it. As the series of 218 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: windows were around it, this is how huge it was. 219 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: He trained his binoculars on those windows and saw about 220 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: ten figures looking back at him. There was nothing unusual 221 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: about them. They did have on what I thought was 222 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: a black type shiny uniform similar to the black leather 223 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: type jacket you find motorcyclist wearing the one that I 224 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: will now for identifying purposes, called a leader, while he 225 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: had on a military type cap with surdvisor, while the 226 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: others did not. They moved back away from the window. 227 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: All this one with the black leather type uniform. I 228 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: will say, uniforms continue to look down at me. Well, 229 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: thank You want to get earlier that they were pretty 230 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: human looking with and you have to consider that looking 231 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: at anyone in a window ten stories up with the 232 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: binocular the only thing you can discern is that they 233 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: looked human and nothing would test about them. Now listen 234 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: the last pitch. Did you feel there was anything sinister 235 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: about these people? Did you get that impression? Yes, they did, 236 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: only that it was a strange situation. And therefore I 237 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: have thought of this many times. That is to say, 238 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: was there anything sinister about them? Or was it because 239 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: of the unusual situation that I was in magnifying my feelings? 240 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: I did feel that there was something sinister, strange, unusual 241 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. One of the beings remained at 242 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the window looking at Barney, who looked back through his binoculars. 243 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: The others turned away, and from what Barney could see, 244 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: she began to pull levers that were attached to a 245 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: panel in the wall. This lever pulling seemed to deploy 246 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: what Barney described as fan type wings tipped by red lights. Well, 247 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: this was too much for me, and I made it 248 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: used to be treating to the card, seeming to the 249 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: wife that they had seen me, they had seen us, 250 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: and we had to get away. Barney sounds very calm 251 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: in this interview, but Barney said no secession on February 252 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: gives a sense of the trauma of this moment. A warning. 253 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: This clip is very emotionally intense. This creature, this leader 254 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: is telling me something you're telling yourself. How how is 255 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: he getting it to you? I can see it in 256 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: his face. See, yes, M telling you And he's looking 257 00:17:52,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: at me. What did I tell you? M Stay there 258 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: and keep looking, Just keep looking and stay there and 259 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: just keep looking. Yes, keep looking? Could you Harry tell 260 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: oh I got a pullice binoculis away from my eyes? 261 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Because if I don't, I'll just keep staying there. Look 262 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: at Harry tell you lest oh, No, he didn't say it, 263 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: you felt you sell? I know you know he's n't there. Yeah, 264 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: just stay there, He's saying to be all. I'll think 265 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: in my head, all right, pull over, docles away, God 266 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: give his all right, God is my God? Give me 267 00:18:51,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: his fans backing away? Oh oh oh Again. Barney fled 268 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: back to the car in a panic. He was convinced 269 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: that the figures on the craft had seen him and 270 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: we're going to capture him and Betty. They started driving 271 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: south again, trying to get away, and then they heard 272 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: a series of beeps coming, it seemed from the rear 273 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: of their car. These beeps were very peculiar because it 274 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: was much like a pony for being struck in place 275 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: to give you a very subtle, typed vibration, and that's 276 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: the way the car vibrated. And it was b b 277 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: b b b b b beep. And I said to 278 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: my wife, my god, what is that? I said, look 279 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: out the window. They're right overhead. And she looked out 280 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: of the window, but you couldn't see anything. And later 281 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: we find out that you couldn't see the sky as well, 282 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: so apparently the glasses moved overhead over us. This beeping 283 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: noise was followed by a hazy period for both Betty 284 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: and Barney, almost as if they dozed off for thirty 285 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: miles of driving. They didn't speak with each other. They 286 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: had only vague memories of this period, including the impression 287 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: that they'd seen something glowing, maybe the moon. And then 288 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: thirty five miles further south, we will beat the game. 289 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: And this is the only time. My wife and I 290 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: then began to communicate with one another by saying, well, 291 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: what was it we saw? This is surprising because that 292 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: about my mile period we did not discuss anything. They 293 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: were unsettled, but they continued towards home. They took a 294 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: detour in the conquered the state capital, trying to find 295 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee and a police officer to tell 296 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: their story to at that time of the morning. They 297 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: found neither. They just drove on to their home in Portsmouth, 298 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, expecting to arrive about two o'clock in the morning. 299 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: But when they arrived it was already dawn, sun was 300 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: streaking the sky. It was start at five o'clock. There's 301 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: a two or three hour gap between when Betty and 302 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Barney expected to arrive in Portsmouth and when they actually did. 303 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: This quote unquote missing time becomes a key piece of 304 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: evidence in support of the Hills story. Betty and Barney 305 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Hill arrived at their home at about five in the 306 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: morning on September. They had driven through the night from Montreal. 307 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: They had memories of a harrowing experience with the UFO 308 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: and were exhausted and distressed. Betty was afraid that the 309 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: things that they had in their car might be contaminated. 310 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: She wouldn't let Barney bring the bags inside the house. 311 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: They threw away the food they had in their cooler, 312 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: and then they began to notice strange things, things that 313 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: seemed like evidence. Barney went into the house and checked 314 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the time. His watch had stopped running at that point, 315 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: so he just reset it and rewounded. The same thing 316 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: happened to Betty. Her watch was not running either, even 317 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: though she had said it at ten o'clock that evening. 318 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: Both watches broke on the same night, within a certain 319 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: time frame. Those watches never ran again. Looking for advice, 320 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: particularly about possible contamination, Betty called her sister, who had 321 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: a neighbor that was a physicist. The neighbor, for some reason, 322 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: told Betty that if she had a compass, she should 323 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: take it to the car to see how the needle 324 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: on the compass would react. Folklore's John Horrigan interviewed Betty 325 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: Hill in her home. It was one of the last 326 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: interviews she gave. What happens when you look at the car, 327 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: Kylie Polish spots are the chuck of the car, really, 328 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: and that day it was Louis getting um tropical rains 329 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: from a hurricane that was going through, and it was 330 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: heavy downfall and didn't affect spots at all. They stayed 331 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: there for months. Your sister, who claimed to have seen 332 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: a U phone, suggested that you do what went around 333 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: the She talked to the physicists who said, go out 334 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: with the compass and check out the spots, which we did. 335 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: What happened, and the compass was very, very erratic, almost 336 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: spinning or just you know, And we tried it other 337 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: parts of the cab and it didn't react, but just 338 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: near where the spots were, hence the inference being a 339 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: magnetic anomaly. Something was was really distorting the magnetic drawal 340 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: of the compass. She remembered the strange buzzing noises coming 341 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: from the rear of the car from the night before. 342 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: She wondered if these spots might be connected to that sound, 343 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: and there were more strange clues. Betty's best dress us 344 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: that she had been wearing that day was torn in 345 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: several places. It was torn at the top of the zipper, 346 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: a one inch tear on one side and two inch 347 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: tear on the other. It was torn from waste to 348 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: ham line. The ham was torn down on one side. 349 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: She couldn't understand how this happened as she was sitting 350 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: as a passenger in the seat of this vehicle. The 351 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: binocular strap on the binoculars that Barney had around his 352 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: neck was severed. He couldn't understand why there was vegetative 353 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: matter on his clothing. Also, Barney's best dress shoes were 354 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: so deeply scraped that he had to buy new shoes. 355 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: He was a meticulous dresser, so he used them for 356 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: yard work after that. He couldn't understand that either. But 357 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: there was no conscious recall for a couple of hours 358 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: of their time. Even when they considered the moments that 359 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: they stopped to look at this craft, it was very, 360 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: very perplexing. The stopped watches, barney scuffed shoes, the spots 361 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: on the trunk, and then Betty's torn dress, the broken 362 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: binocular strap, the missing time. All these bits of evidence 363 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: confirmed to the Hills that what they had experienced that 364 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: night was abnormal, but it also seemed that there was 365 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: something missing, something forgotten. Two years later, when they would 366 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: undergo hypnosis and new memories would emerge, they would find 367 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: that there was more to the story next time on 368 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart 369 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. This episode 370 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: was written and hosted by Toby Bowl and produced by 371 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Miranda Hawkins and Josh Thane, with executive producers Alex Williams, 372 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick and and Manky. Betty Hill was portrayed by 373 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: Gina Rickike. Barney Hill was portrayed by Jason Williams. 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