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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have so many stories

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Speaker 1: for you guys this week. Don't forget that all the

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Speaker 1: stories we don't cover on Mother Knows Death are in

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Speaker 1: the gross room where we discuss some of them on

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Speaker 1: our YouTube live sessions. Just the programming note. Normally we

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Speaker 1: drop episodes on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, but of course

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Speaker 1: this week on Thursday is Thanksgiving, so look out for

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Speaker 1: our third episode of the week on Black Friday while

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Speaker 1: you guys are all shopping. On today's episode, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about the Slenderman attacker who escaped this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and update on Celeste Revs if you remember she was

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Speaker 1: the one found dead in the singer slash rapper David's

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Speaker 1: car trunk from whatever you call it situation, a boy

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Speaker 1: this is not the first time it happened. We have

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Speaker 1: two horrific cases of child abuse, a shocking admission from

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Speaker 1: a Campbell Soup executive about the quality of their products

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Speaker 1: and how he really feels about the people who consume

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Speaker 1: their products, and a woman who is found alive in

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Speaker 1: a coffin after being brought in for cremation. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: end the episode with your comments and questions and a

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Speaker 1: big announcement for all of those who are not groscery

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Speaker 1: members or on social media. So all that and more

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Speaker 1: on today's episode. Let's get started with this shocking news

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Speaker 1: of the slender Man case.

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Speaker 2: Well, we did cover this case earlier this year, but

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Speaker 2: let me just give a little bit of background in

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Speaker 2: case anybody's confused or just needs to remember these details.

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Speaker 2: So back in twenty fourteen, these two twelve year old

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Speaker 2: girls had lured their friend into the woods. One of

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Speaker 2: them stabbed the girl nineteen times, while the other one

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Speaker 2: cheered that girl on the claim that but that they

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Speaker 2: were inspired by this online character named slender Man. So

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Speaker 2: earlier this year we had talked about how the stabber

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Speaker 2: was getting out of the psychiatric hospital she had been

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Speaker 2: staying in since this crime occurred. I guess it's important

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Speaker 2: to note that the victim did survive, which is insane

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Speaker 2: being stabbed nineteen times. And of course during that episode

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Speaker 2: we discussed how this was a horrible idea, and shocker,

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Speaker 1: And I I actually went back to look at the

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Speaker 1: notes that I wrote for that episode, and sure enough

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Speaker 1: I thought the same exact thing that I thought again

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Speaker 1: just looking at this girl. I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: say this because apparently she has the ability to get

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Speaker 1: Like just when you look at her picture, you're just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: really scary that a kid that was twelve years old

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Speaker 1: guess she was diagnosed with being mentally ill. She had

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Speaker 1: visual and auditory hallucinations. So obviously when that happens, there's

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Speaker 1: oftentimes that they want to I mean, going to jail

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she had this monitor, but she ended

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Speaker 1: So what's really messed up about this story? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just guess I was under the assumption that if

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question, because I feel

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Speaker 1: don't think they needifying On a whole other level, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the group homes need to give a

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Speaker 2: So I would just have to alert the community that

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Speaker 1: The only thing between her and the outside world is

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Speaker 1: And that person's not seemingly getting in trouble either. But

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Speaker 2: They just said that they met at church. And they

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Speaker 2: having me think, like, I don't know if necessarily this

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Speaker 2: It's not even been a full year, she's been out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it does make you question too when you're

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Speaker 1: obviously it's like, if you're in jail and you're able

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just wonder, I mean, I just wonder

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Speaker 2: at this point if it's like a one strike in

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Speaker 2: I mean, this wasn't like she straight off of a

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Speaker 1: So it's such a risk to the public. It's just

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Speaker 1: not fair to us. And really, like, if you have

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Speaker 1: How is this person getting out? Like, It's just it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't surprised when

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Speaker 2: I don't think at twelve years old you're committing such

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously she's she's going to want to get out.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be having someone watch you all

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Speaker 1: it is possible that now she's she's treated. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want need to be here anymore because I

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Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of the thing I wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: on this insanity plea, right, but now she has more

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I mean we should mention this too,

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Speaker 1: knowing that that person is on the loose. No, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Mustn't been terrified. But it's not fair to the victim

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Speaker 1: when I went with one of the investigators to a

437
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Speaker 1: scene of a suicide and this guy had shot himself

438
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Speaker 1: and was he was renting a room in a house,

439
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Speaker 1: so it was it was a small room that fit

440
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: a twin bed and a dresser, and that was about it.

441
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Speaker 1: And this guy shot himself and the other residents didn't

442
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Speaker 1: call the police. Oddly enough, they heard a gun shop

443
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Speaker 1: in their buildings, but they didn't. They didn't call police

444
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: until it started smelling. So we got there and the

445
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Speaker 1: guy was The guy was like, if I looked at him,

446
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, I probably know who that is.

447
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Speaker 1: He was really bloated, but he just looked like he

448
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: just looked bloated. Right, We take his body, we bring

449
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Speaker 1: him to the medical examiner's office, and we do the

450
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Speaker 1: autopsy the following morning. When they took him out of

451
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Speaker 1: the fridge, he was like a black green color. His

452
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: tongue was so swollen it was sticking out. His lips

453
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Speaker 1: were really swollen and bloated. And I actually said to

454
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Speaker 1: the investigator, I don't think that's the same guy, because

455
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: he looked that much different. And they were like, no,

456
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Speaker 1: that's you. Know this is when I was new and stuff. No,

457
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: that just happens because it was the summer and he

458
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Speaker 1: was really decomposed and like it just went and he

459
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Speaker 1: was out in that heat before we put him in

460
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Speaker 1: the fridge. But you still continue to break down. So

461
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: and at that point if somebody had to look at him,

462
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Speaker 1: when you see a person that's decomposed and green and bloating,

463
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, I can't even recognize

464
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Speaker 1: that person. They look they they look unrecognizable. It also

465
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: could go as far as a person's like a complete skeleton,

466
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Speaker 1: so you don't really know what the degree is.

467
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Speaker 2: I understand that I'm saying, like with the frozen component

468
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Speaker 2: ated in because they're trying to say like she was

469
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Speaker 2: still mid thawing out, but then at the same time

470
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Speaker 2: was so decomposed she was unrecognizable.

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Speaker 1: Well another it's listen, there's just so many possibilities, Like

472
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Speaker 1: she could have been in the house and they didn't

473
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Speaker 1: know what to do with her body for days, and

474
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Speaker 1: she was so decomposed starting to decompose and smell, so

475
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: they were like, shit, let's stick this in the freezer.

476
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, there's just so many different things

477
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 1: that could happen. And I mean, obviously all of it

478
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Speaker 1: from our perspective is speculation because we don't really know

479
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Speaker 1: for sure. It's just a really interesting thing that they

480
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: decided to put out this weekend. And and I don't

481
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Speaker 1: know how reputable the source is because obviously the story

482
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Speaker 1: got millions of clicks, right.

483
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because now, like I think, when we initially

484
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: reported it, they thought she died within a week or

485
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks of being found, and now they're

486
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Speaker 2: saying she may have died in the spring. So which

487
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: is it. Yeah, it's just all over the place. I mean,

488
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Speaker 2: I understand why they want to keep the record sealed,

489
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Speaker 2: but at the same time, if this information isn't true,

490
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Speaker 2: it's not helping their case and making it more sensationalized

491
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: than the media. So well, I don't say, well, keep

492
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Speaker 2: you guys, no one's been charged. Its possibly a second

493
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: person involved too. I don't even think that.

494
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Speaker 1: Another thing that I thought was weird because they were

495
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: they said, oh, her body was dismembered. And remember we've

496
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: been talking about that back and forth, because if she

497
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: was severely decomposed, that could have just been a normal

498
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: like a natural dismemberment just because the soft tissue that

499
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: holds the bones together fell apart. So that almost seemed

500
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: to be confirmed with this new information. But then they

501
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: also said it looks like the person had help dismembering.

502
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm like, I'm too blive because they said

503
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: clearly if she was dismembered, multiple people were involved, and

504
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you clearly haven't covered your CRIMEA is

505
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: this because one person is definitely capable of doing it?

506
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Speaker 2: And you said, especially if they know anatomy, it's real easy.

507
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Speaker 1: I'm I mean, listen, like I'm serious. I could dismember

508
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Speaker 1: a person very quickly with one scalpel bleede. I don't

509
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: even have to change.

510
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Speaker 2: The spisode is going to get flagged fad.

511
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying that I'm going to

512
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Speaker 1: do it. I'm just saying that I have dismembered cadavers

513
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: like in the anatomy lab. It's just very it's very

514
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: easy to do if you know where you're going. You

515
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: don't need like to go to home depot and get

516
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: crazy saws and everything like that. It's just easy to

517
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: disarticulate the bones. But like I don't and maybe I

518
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: mean obviously, like I don't cover dismemberment cases, so I

519
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: don't know how you would be able to tell that

520
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: someone helped. That just seems kind of weird, unless they

521
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: saw something at the scene that would indicate, like in

522
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: the garage there was a giant chainsaw and there was

523
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: two sets of footprints around the body covered in blood,

524
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: like that's that's the only thing I could think. But

525
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: just actually looking at it, I don't see.

526
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: I just think it was bad reporting.

527
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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's really terrible, and it's hard for It's hard

528
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: for a person like me because I'm like, I don't

529
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: know what to freaking tell you. It's it still tells

530
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: us nothing.

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Speaker 2: This episode isn't on YouTube, you know why. Let's move

532
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: on though, all right. A fifteen year old boy has

533
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: died after his coworkers inserted a high pressure hose into

534
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: his rectum as a prank. I don't know who thinks

535
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: this is funny, but apparently this has happened to other

536
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: teenage boys in recent years as well, So it's so

537
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: I as soon as I read this, I was like,

538
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, I have a case of this in

539
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: the grocroom actually, and I titled it blow it up

540
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: your ass, and it's the same exact situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't it all All of the stories, including this

542
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: one and the other stories they mentioned in this article,

543
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: all have to do with boys or men doing this

544
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: to other boys or men. So and it seems like

545
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: in their minds they might think that this is a

546
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: funny prank, but it's it's sexual assault and homicide.

547
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: Is sticking things up people's butts a prank. I just

548
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: don't think that's I think it's weird.

549
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: But it's similar, like when I'm telling you about this

550
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: case in the grocery room. Let me tell you about

551
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: it because it's almost the same as that case. It's

552
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: a forty two year old guy who's working in as

553
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: a mechanic, right and decides it would be funny or

554
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: someone there decides it's funny if they pull down the

555
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: guy's pants, stick a hose in his butt, and then

556
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: turn on this high pressure air hose that you would

557
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: use like to put air in tires or you could

558
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: use it for certain kind of tools. It's it's like

559
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: a high PSI and air guns anything like that, Right,

560
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: So they put this up inside of the guy's butt,

561
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: which is it is it's weird. It's just weird, Like

562
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't see the funny part of it, but it

563
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: like essentially blows a hole right through their the rectum

564
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: and their bow perforates and they end up dying because

565
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: of it. In the case of the grocery room, you

566
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: have to see the pictures of the autopsy, there's like

567
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: straight up a hole in the guy's wreckedum because someone

568
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: stuck a tube up there and blue air in this guy,

569
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: like killed this guy for absolutely no reason. And in

570
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: this particular case too, this is a fifteen year old

571
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: kid that got killed again by his coworkers who thought

572
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: it was funny to do something like this. So I

573
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: just can't understand how this people do do dumb like

574
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: I remember once one of the residents that I was

575
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: working with got we so like I was talking about earlier,

576
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: when we do frozen tissue for during surgeries, we would

577
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: use the sprite to freeze tissue more and one of

578
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the residents, who was just like always practical joker like

579
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: came up to me and put the spray like right

580
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: against my leg my leg and sprayed it. And I

581
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: just remember looking at him, like, what on earth, why

582
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: would you think that was a good idea, Like you

583
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: could kill the tissue of my skin freezing it like that,

584
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: Like why would you think that was funny? Like it

585
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: hurt really bad, but it also could have been really bad.

586
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: So I I think sometimes people just think they're doing

587
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: something funny and they're just not thinking. I mean, to me,

588
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's sexual assault on homicide, but it's

589
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: one hundred I'm not sure that that's like what they

590
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: were going for.

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Speaker 2: I just don't I even understand in your story you

592
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: just told how that could just be like something really

593
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: stupid somebody you just did really quick, but it's so dangerous.

594
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: But in this case, it's like it sounds like something

595
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: that would be done on like jackass or something. If

596
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: you're even shoving something in somebody's mouth, like you shouldn't

597
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: be putting anything in anybody's holes unconsensed.

598
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Especially their buttholes. Like it's just it is, it's weird,

599
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm assuming that these people are going

600
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: to get in trouble for this, but it just has

601
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: like Jackass vibes to me, you know what I mean.

602
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Just do it, like yeah, but you can't do it

603
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: when like every person doesn't say, it's okay if you

604
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: as they're all consenting to it, I know.

605
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: But if you watch Jackass most of the stuff they do,

606
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: you're just like, why would any person like put a

607
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: taser up to their balls? I don't know, Like guys,

608
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: sometimes certain guys just like do dumb shit. Maybe it's

609
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: that or maybe really they are I don't know, but

610
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: it sucks because this kid's dead. And this is what

611
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: happened to the guy in the gross im Like, they

612
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: blew the air up his butt and then they were

613
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: all laughing ha ha ha, and all of a sudden,

614
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: the guy was like in extreme pain and they brought

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00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: him to the hospital and here is bow perforated and

616
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: he lived for five whole days with sepsis and ended

617
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: up dying.

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Speaker 2: So it's just unreal, it really is. This episode is

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Speaker 2: brought to you by the Grosser Room.

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Speaker 1: So, guys, we were talking earlier in the episode about

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Speaker 1: this last Rebus case and what it would be like

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Speaker 1: to do an autopsy on a person that was frozen

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Speaker 1: and some of the disadvantages that would help or not

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Speaker 1: if you want to see what that would look like,

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Speaker 2: All right, Back in twenty twenty, this couple stabbed and

639
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: decapitated both their thirteen year old daughter and twelve year

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Speaker 2: old son. And if that's not bad enough, they made

641
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 2: their other two younger kids look at the b.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they locked their bodies in a room

643
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: for several days and didn't feed the kids either. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. I don't even really know what to

645
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: say about this story. I always think it's really weird

646
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: when there's you know, when someone abuses a child that's weird.

647
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: But then well, I guess our next story too. It's

648
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Speaker 1: just like when there's multiple people doing it. It's just

649
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: a very bizarre thing to me because most people that

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Speaker 1: you talk to would agree that that's just the worst

651
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Speaker 1: thing ever that you could do to a child. So

652
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Speaker 1: how do you get two people on board unless they're

653
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: on like bath salts or something and they're both having

654
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: some kind of bad trip psychosis thing.

655
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: That likes there's no excuse for this.

656
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: No, that would actually make me feel better because if

657
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: they're just if they're just like a couple and they

658
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: just did that, that scares me even worse because you're

659
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: just like, what would cause a person to do that.

660
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: This lady is smirking in the mugshot. She clearly has

661
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: something terrible going on. I don't know if she's a

662
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: drug addict or having a mental disorder, but nothing's excusable.

663
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how these other two children are supposed

664
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Speaker 2: to ever live normal lives after seeing something like that.

665
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, eight and nine years old, they're gonna

666
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully they could get that erase from their brain,

667
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: but they very much know what's going on.

668
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Speaker 2: So in another horrific case of child abuse. This fourteen

669
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: year old girl was found weighing only thirty five pounds,

670
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: while the adults responsible for her were all morbidly obese

671
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Speaker 2: and starving her.

672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the striking thing with this particular

673
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: case when you hear that this girl was only thirty

674
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: five pounds and the investigators and police that first found

675
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: her they thought that she was six or seven years

676
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: old because of how small she was, and so horrific

677
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: it is. It's so horrific. And then when you look

678
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: at every single person's mugshot, they're all super morbid obese,

679
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and you're just like you hear more details of the

680
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: case which are even more disturbing, like the family's trying

681
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: to say that she was autistic and she didn't want

682
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: to eat sometimes, but then they revealed text messages between

683
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: one another saying things about not feeding her. And she

684
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: went to the hospital, and you know, when you're in

685
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: the hospital, they give you three meals a day, and

686
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: they the nurses that were taking care of her, said

687
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: that her face lit up when she heard she was

688
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: getting fed three times a day, and she took a

689
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: bite of food and she wanted more food, and then

690
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: she was telling the nurses that, oh, my god, my

691
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: dad would be so mad at me right now if

692
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: he saw that I was eating more than two bites

693
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: of food.

694
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: It was just clearly intentional abuse because also her mom

695
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: went to jail in twenty twenty, and that's when she

696
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: started living with the dad full time. And then she

697
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: had gone to school during COVID for one year, and

698
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: then he said he was homeschooling her, which we'd see

699
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: a lot in these child abuse cases where the parents

700
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: claimed their homeschooling the kids. And then there's other people

701
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: saying that the dad said he wished she could kill

702
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: her or leave her in the woods. I mean, she

703
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: probably would have been better off being left alone in

704
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: the middle of the woods and not dealing with these assholes.

705
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: And he monitored her and communicated with her via a

706
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 2: webcam that was in her room, so she was under

707
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: constant surveillance. Like I don't, I don't understand. Even let's

708
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: say she did have autism and wasn't eating, it's still

709
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: your responsibility as a parent to be making sure your

710
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: child's healthy.

711
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's they're going to do an investigation to

712
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: see if perhaps prior because I mean, she was only

713
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: a little kid when what nine years old when COVID happened,

714
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: When COVID happened, But the investigator should be able to

715
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: go back to her pediatrician records if someone ever took

716
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: her to the doctor, because god knows how this kid's

717
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: been living. They said, she hasn't been to the doctor since,

718
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: like her whole Well that's what I'm saying. Though, if

719
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: they go back and look from when she was nine

720
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: years old, they'll be able to see her growth curve

721
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: and see that if she if she was just a

722
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: very small, undernourished kid because of an underlying health condition,

723
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: or because there are cases where where there's problems with

724
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: children growth and eating because of an underlying health condition.

725
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: But they'll be able to say, oh, I mean, like

726
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: in theory, when she was nine years old, she should

727
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: have weighed you know, sixty to seventy five pounds. So

728
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: if and now she's thirty five pounds, I mean, so

729
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: if she weighed you know what I mean, like she

730
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: would have had to weigh twenty five or thirty pounds

731
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: at that time if the growth continued the same. And

732
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: obviously so who were the women in the picture with

733
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: the guy?

734
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Speaker 2: So her father's stepmother, stepsister, and the stepsister's partner were

735
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: all arrested, and this article says that all of them

736
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: face charges and they're facing more than eighty years in prison.

737
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Speaker 1: Good good, I mean, I just I don't understand why. Like,

738
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's just very streng to see that a

739
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: child was getting starved. I mean, this kid was very starved,

740
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Speaker 1: to the point where she had liver failure, pancreatic failure,

741
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: cardiac issues. Because when you are when you're starved, your

742
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: body starts kind of it needs protein to survive, and

743
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: the way it gets the protein is to get it

744
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: from your heart muscle and to get it from your liver,

745
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: and then those organs start to fail, and they thought

746
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: that she might die in the hospital. I mean, that's

747
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: how sick she was. It's not like this was just

748
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: a mild thing. This has been going on for years.

749
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Speaker 2: The weirdest part of this is that the dad called

750
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: nine one one reporting she was lethargic and weak. And

751
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: it's like, you went to all these great lengths to

752
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: cover up your abuse, not sending her to school, not

753
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: taking her to the doctor, and then you're calling nine

754
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: one one, and you think they're just going to show

755
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: up and not think you did anything wrong. It's funny

756
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: because we see we do see that in a lot

757
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: of child abuse cases, that people abuse the kid for

758
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: years and years and then finally bring the kid to

759
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: the hospital. And I mean, like anybody that's listening right

760
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: now that works in the er will tell you that that.

761
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: A kid will come in and you're just like, they

762
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: do an x ray and they're like, no, this kid's

763
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: had multiple broken bones that have never been healed, and

764
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: like why now, Like what finally was like, Hey, this

765
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: kid is like about to die or something, you know, yeah,

766
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: all right. Campbell's is now being investigated after recording leaked

767
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: where an executive referred to the meat they use in

768
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: their products as bioengineered. Specifically, he said, quote, it's not

769
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: healthy now that I know what the fucks in it,

770
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: bioengineered meat. I don't want to eat a piece of

771
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: chicken that came from a three D printer.

772
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: Real nice, So, also insulting the people that have that,

773
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: like Campbell's, he said that he wouldn't even eat it, okay,

774
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: then said that people who eat it are poor. All

775
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: of this shit and I'm just like whoa, this is

776
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: really bad for them, which if any of this is true,

777
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really really bad for them as far

778
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: as the lab processed meat, because my like, I guess

779
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm considered a really poor person because like Lillian's favorite

780
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: food is Campbell soup, like chicken noodle, Campbell soup.

781
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean so many children love I mean not even children,

782
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: so many people love Campbell soup. I love the creamy tomato.

783
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: It's delicious.

784
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible that I mean the chicken. Well,

785
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking from when I was a kid, I

786
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: always used to pick the pieces out because I thought

787
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: they were gross and there was definitely not lab grown

788
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: meat as a kid, but I as a consumer that

789
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: gives that to my child a few times a month,

790
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: I want to know if my kid's eating lab grown

791
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: meat or not. I feel like we have a right

792
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: to know that.

793
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I guess what's happening now is Florida's

794
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: Attorney General is opening this investigation because lab grown meat

795
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: is banned in Florida and in other parts of the

796
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: country it is allowed, but it has to be disclosed

797
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: that that's what's happening on the product, which is disgusting

798
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: the concept of lab grown meat is disgusting.

799
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really, it is disgusting. And they put out

800
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: a statement that says, quote the chicken, which I think

801
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: is labeled or worded very interesting with.

802
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: The chicken meat.

803
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: The chicken meat used in our soup comes from long

804
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: trusted USDA approved US suppliers, and meat are high quality standards.

805
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: All of our soups are made with no antibiotics ever

806
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: chicken meat, meaning we don't allow antibiotics to be added

807
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: to the feed water or any commercial vaccine used by

808
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: our chicken suppliers. So to me, that doesn't say that

809
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: it's not lab grown meat.

810
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's it's wordsmithing.

811
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Who who says, like, if you're talking to Purdue about chicken,

812
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: are they going to say all of our chicken meat

813
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: or they go to say like our chickens are fed,

814
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Like they're not calling them chickens.

815
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: It's saying chicken meat.

816
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Say it's chicken meat. So, and it's saying USDA proved

817
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and all. Well, it's like meat made in the lab

818
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: is approved FDA approved. So is like a bunch of

819
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: other shit that has turned out to be really terrible

820
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: for people so which is fine. If you think lab

821
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: grown meat is fine and you want to eat it,

822
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: that's fine. You should just be told that that's what

823
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: you're eating. And like, I don't like that.

824
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: So the guy that made these remarks was the vice

825
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: president and chief information security Officer's name is Martin Bailey.

826
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: So apparently he was secretly recorded by this security analyst,

827
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: Robert Garza, who had a meeting with him, And now

828
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: that guy has filed a lawsuit claiming that he was

829
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: fired after raising concerns about these remarks this guy made,

830
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: including saying incredibly racist things also about the people that

831
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: work for Campbell's. So this guy just seems like a

832
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: piece of shit. I mean, he's talking about how he

833
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: and even eat the ingredients in the soup of the

834
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: company he's basically in charge of. He's saying it's.

835
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: Only in dollars off of two.

836
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's saying it's for poor people, which is just

837
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: like not true information. And then he's just being a

838
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 2: dickhead in general. So I kind of applaud this guy

839
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: for like recording him and releasing it. I think it

840
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: depends which state that this recording was done. I mean,

841
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: we know that Campbell's headquarters is very close to us

842
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: in Camden. But I don't know if this is where

843
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: this went down, because I think in New Jersey you

844
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: are allowed to record somebody without them knowing about it,

845
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: but that's not the case in every state. So I

846
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: wonder if how do you know that? Don't ask me questions. Oh,

847
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I actually learned that well researching an

848
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: article about like why are tapping somebody's phone? Because I

849
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: don't think they're allowed to do it everywhere.

850
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you could see especially there's discrunts employees all

851
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: over the place at every single job you could think

852
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: of and listen, like I've been guilty of working at

853
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: certain hospitals and being like I wouldn't come to this place.

854
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Place is going to kill you, right, And like I

855
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: would stand by that though if someone caught beyond recording,

856
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, this is the reason why I

857
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: say that. But but like this person's an executive, they're not.

858
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be the ones that are setting the

859
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: example and.

860
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: As the power to actually change it and make it

861
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: a better product, and not just I just can't.

862
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: Imagine that this is true, because how would they keep

863
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: how would they keep something like that under wraps.

864
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: Like that, I mean, NDAs they have a bunch of money.

865
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Speaker 2: I really don't know. I would be surprised, but it's

866
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: disgusting and it also just makes me think about how

867
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Speaker 2: all this information is coming out about how bad processed

868
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: foods are and how seemingly more processed to be coming

869
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: over time, instead of trying to undo it and make

870
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: them healthier for everyone.

871
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: So this fake meat is it's derived from a sample

872
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: of cells from actual chickens, and then it's fed nutrients

873
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: and grown in a lab, so it technically is derived

874
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: from meat. So if you if you think about the

875
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: DNA of it, it is meat, but it's not. It's

876
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: not just an animal that occurs in nature or naturally.

877
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: So I see why people question it, and I just

878
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: and and the way that they refer to it as

879
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: chicken meat. Like I guess the people that work at

880
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: the plant that put the meat into the soup cans,

881
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: if they just get something that's labeled chicken meat, I

882
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: guess they might just assume that it's from a chicken.

883
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: Like listen, regular meat.

884
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Excuse me out.

885
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: I don't want lab meat. I don't want it, and

886
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: you should have to put if that's what it.

887
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Is, I've just never heard the word chicken meat. It's

888
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: it's just like the weirdest.

889
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And then I just picture.

890
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting these giant, like vacuum sealed bags filled with

891
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: those little cubes.

892
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: It seems like the best people working at Campbell's is

893
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: the PR team, because they're good at wordsman, and clearly

894
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: they need to reevaluate the executives going on. The guy

895
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: has been temporarily suspended pending an investigation. I guess to

896
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 2: make sure these claims are accurate and see exactly what's

897
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: going on. But I I kind of even don't want

898
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: to follow up. I just don't want to know.

899
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: I it. And it sucks because now I'm kind of like,

900
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to buy that shit anymore.

901
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't, And it's and it's a shame. It's a

902
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: shame because that company has been there forever and and

903
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: you know it was started obviously, like everything gets ruined.

904
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: Right, But let's say the fake meat claim is found

905
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: to not be true, right, Like he just said something

906
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: totally false. But let's say they proved that it was

907
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: him in the recording saying all this stuff. The fact

908
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: that this guy is just full blood admitting like he

909
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: doesn't care about the quality of ingredients are putting in

910
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: the product and is purposely manufacturing it for quote poor

911
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: people and everything. It really doesn't make me want it either,

912
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: because it's like, oh, you're just gonna put whatever shit

913
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: in there that you could legally put in there.

914
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: I also just don't cost. I don't like any business saying,

915
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: especially something that's consumed or put on your skin or anything.

916
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't like any person that's working for a business

917
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: that's like, I wouldn't put that shit in my body,

918
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Like that's scary to me. Yeah, absolutely, like I wouldn't think.

919
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like, listen, Campbell's soup is the ultimate like

920
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: processed food, right. I was thinking like that, that makes

921
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: sense that the cans. You could probably have one from

922
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: the time I was a kid and it would probably

923
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: still taste okay.

924
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: But think about working at McDonald's and then being like

925
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: this huge health It's like you need to somewhat stand

926
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: behind the company and product you're working for, because otherwise

927
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: you're just a massive hympocrite.

928
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess. The thing I mean that

929
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: happened when Super Sized Me and stuff came out that

930
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, the chicken nuggets weren't really chicken. Remember they

931
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: showed you how they were getting making them. Yeah, but like,

932
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just interesting. It's just interesting

933
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: because it says it's chicken. And and now you're like,

934
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: is this gonna unravel this whole entire underground industry of

935
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: like all of this chicken that's being used that we're

936
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: consuming that's not even real chicken. I can't just be

937
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: them because they're about you.

938
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: But this McDonald's chat, I might go there, You're like,

939
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: look like that who went some fries?

940
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're That's the thing with McDonald's. It's like even

941
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that really did anything bad

942
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: to them, because I guess when you go to Chick

943
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: fil A, I feel like it's like, Okay, you assumed

944
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: that the chicken sandwich and the chicken nuggets are from

945
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: an actual piece of chicken. They kind of look like

946
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: you can make them at your house if you wanted

947
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: to write. And then the ones that McDonald's are like,

948
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: they look like Santa boots, right, do you look like

949
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: when is there so and and they and they're deep

950
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: fried and they taste good, So there you go. But

951
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody was like, oh, this is

952
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: like if you had to pick one over the other

953
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: as far as healthy, you would say Chick fil A, Okay,

954
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: well at least that's a grilled piece of chicken, or

955
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a piece of bread and that's dipped in oil.

956
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: And like, nobody ever thought that McDonald's nuggets were like

957
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: healthy in any kind of a way. I mean, no,

958
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: it just seems to be like our fries taste different.

959
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: Everything tastes different. I don't think.

960
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: Campbell's is healthy at all, but like people should have

961
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: a right to know the ingredients coming into them and

962
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: if it's real meat versus lab grown exactly all right.

963
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: Staff at a temple in Thailand were shocked when they

964
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: received a woman in a coffin for cremation, and suddenly

965
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: they heard a knock from within and then they started

966
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: detecting some movement.

967
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened was this guy he had a

968
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: sister and he was taking care of her and she

969
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: was dying. So finally she became unresponsive and he decided

970
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: that he was going to PLoP her in a coffin

971
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: and bring her to the nearest hospital that was hundreds

972
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: of miles away and show up there because she wanted

973
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: to be an organ donor and say like, hey, I'm

974
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: here and here's my dead sister and I want to

975
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: donate her organs. But the hospital was like, no, you

976
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: don't have a death certificate. We're not taking her. So

977
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: then he said, okay, well, I'm going to go get

978
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: her cremated, and then went to a crematory and they

979
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: said the same thing, where's the death certificate, and he said,

980
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't have one. And as they were having that conversation,

981
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: they hear a little knock, knock, knock open the lid,

982
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: and sure enough, this lady is alive in the coffin.

983
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how he's going to all these

984
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: great lengths to take her to the hospital and take

985
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: her to this temple that get cremated, and he doesn't

986
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: even take the steps to try to get a death

987
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: certificate issued or make sure she's actually did. She's just like, oh,

988
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: she's not responsive, she must be dead. I'm gonna throw

989
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: her to coffin and that's it.

990
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: I am really happy with the fact of the documentation

991
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: that these different the hospital and the crematory are requiring,

992
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: because think about in some other countries that might not

993
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: be so squared away with the paperwork. They might be like, okay,

994
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: we'll take her and just and not even think twice

995
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: of it. Obviously, there's been a big story in the

996
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: news this week about Oregon donation, so we'll talk about

997
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: that in a later episode this week. But it is

998
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: scary because what if the crematory said okay and just

999
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of threw the coffin right into the flames, like no,

1000
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: and this might have happened before, and that's just so scary.

1001
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: What's cool, though, is the temple said they're gonna pay

1002
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: for all her medical expenses.

1003
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's cool.

1004
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: That this really wasn't their problem.

1005
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: The guy, I mean, the guy might have not been

1006
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: intentionally being a jerk or anything. He's just if he's

1007
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: just a regular guy taking care of his dying sister.

1008
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't know how to pronounce someone dead. He

1009
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: might have thought she was dead. He wasn't lying about it,

1010
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Like that's why there's checks in place, all right. Before

1011
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: the questions and emails, we have two very important announcements. First,

1012
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: our new store is open. So if you were a Grosser,

1013
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: remember you had twenty four exclusive access to shop whatever

1014
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: you want, which was super cool, and I'm so excited

1015
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: to see what everybody's been ordering so far. We worked

1016
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: very very hard.

1017
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: On the story, so thank you everybody that place order

1018
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Speaker 2: so far. Also, if you are a grocery member, there's

1019
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: an exclusive members only section so it is password protected.

1020
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: You can only get in if you're a grocery member

1021
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: and they are designs you cannot buy otherwise. So that

1022
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: store is all ready to go, and there is a

1023
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: discount code we're gonna put in the description of this

1024
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: episode if you guys want to place your orders.

1025
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you guys have any ideas too, for

1026
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: any merch you would like to see. We tried to

1027
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: cover all aspects of our the gross room and the podcast,

1028
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: and we have some of our samples coming this week

1029
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to start rocking them on this show.

1030
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you guys have any ideas of things,

1031
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: we would love to hear them.

1032
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: The second announcement is that I am with child. I

1033
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: was saying that phrase. I think it's so funny, so

1034
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: I went through you.

1035
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Know, what's funny. I there's there's one that, like they

1036
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: say in other countries, like I fell pregnant.

1037
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I fell pregnant. Oh man, I should have

1038
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: said that, it would have been funnier. But I went

1039
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: through IVF. So yesterday in the Grocerroom, I wrote our

1040
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: dissection all about IVF how it works, and I tried

1041
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: to put parts of my experience throughout it because it

1042
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: is so different for every single person. But I thought

1043
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: you guys would enjoy that. I put some pictures in

1044
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: for my surgery and everything like that, So there are

1045
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: some gross pictures in there and hopefully a little heartwarming

1046
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: ending that you guys can all read about. But yeah,

1047
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: I am pregnant right now. I'm very excited with it.

1048
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 2: I am having a boy. And it's been really, really

1049
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 2: hard not to talk about it. Who we've talked about

1050
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: pregnancy or IVF for related stories, because I've been going

1051
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: through the process for about a year and it was

1052
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: very difficult to keep my mouth shut during all that.

1053
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: So happy I could finally talk about it.

1054
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how many people are listeners of this show

1055
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: who aren't on social media and aren't members of the

1056
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: grocer room, Like we've said it. Yeah, well, you told

1057
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: the grocery members last week.

1058
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: I told the YouTube live people first on Friday because

1059
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: those are the real ones, so I knew. I knew

1060
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: they'd be excited. And Emma said she knew because my

1061
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: skin's been glowing, which.

1062
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is true that your skins looked

1063
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot better. Since then, my skin is the nicest's

1064
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: ever been, except I have a big eggs of a

1065
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: patch in my armpit right now.

1066
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: Not that everybody needs to know that.

1067
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: Thanks for that. Thanks, I'm just keeping it real.

1068
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not all that glamorous, but yeah,

1069
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: So I did that, and then I wanted to write

1070
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: about my experience with IVF because I mean, my year

1071
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: sucked medically and it was a lot to go through

1072
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: and process and it was kind of crazy, and I

1073
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: talked about on the YouTube live but you were giving

1074
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: me shots in my butt while we were at Crime

1075
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: God in the car at churls Uh Wildlife CSI, and

1076
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: how funny that was.

1077
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: That was funny because we left when we were at

1078
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: the CSI event with Cheryl, we were walking out and

1079
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: I like, Maria's like bent over in the front seat

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Speaker 1: and I'm sticking a needle in her ass, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, like I hope nobody actually

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Speaker 1: walks out. And it was pitch dark out there. No,

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Speaker 1: it was Abias Wildlife Center, So.

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Speaker 2: You gotta do. It's not my choice to have to

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Speaker 2: do all those shots.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was real fun too, because you know,

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Speaker 1: when we were at crime Con we were in Denver.

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Speaker 1: That was a two hour difference, and Maria's on some schedule,

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Speaker 1: so it was like, oh, we have to get up

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Speaker 1: at four in the morning and do these shots.

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Speaker 2: That was, Oh my god, that was really hard. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: I guess I did give you the shots better than Ricky, though,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ricky just go. He did a really

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Speaker 2: good job. I think after I.

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Speaker 1: Was saying that because she has to no.

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Speaker 2: I think after I was done all my shots, I

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Speaker 2: calculated I had to do like eighty eight of those

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Speaker 2: intramuscular shots or something, almost a hundred of those. It

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Speaker 2: was insane. But you put it in really fast, like

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Speaker 2: a dart, so like you don't really feel like he's

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Speaker 2: not used to doing it, so he's putting it in

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Speaker 2: so slow, and I'm like, dude, this hurts so much.

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Speaker 2: Just stab me with it. I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: my needlephobia is one hundred percent resolved, but that definitely

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: was good exposure therapy for me this year because I

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Speaker 2: had to do a lot.

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Speaker 1: I've been telling you your whole life that once once

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Speaker 1: you got pregnant, you would get over your needle thing

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Speaker 1: because you have to get stuck so many times for

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Speaker 1: different things, and then you had to do so much

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Speaker 1: extra than any person in the world typically has to.

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Speaker 2: Well, not only do you have to do I mean

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Speaker 2: you have to do a million shots for the egg retrieval,

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Speaker 2: and then for the egg retrieval, you have to get

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Speaker 2: your blood taken basically every single day for two weeks,

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Speaker 2: which is terrible. And then when you go into the transfer,

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Speaker 2: it's like you have to do a whole different set

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Speaker 2: of shots, and then you have to get your blood

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Speaker 2: taken all the time, and then you have to get

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Speaker 2: more blood taken when you're pregnant. So I guess it

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Speaker 2: was good at warming me up to it, because it

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this year, I couldn't even go

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Speaker 2: in the in the room at the fertility clinic and

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Speaker 2: have my blood taken by myself, and now I can't.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to tell them what Cheryl said.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I should just read it for me. I

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01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: had a whole funny conversation with her last night. Hold on,

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Speaker 2: so wait, first this quote. She said, you know us

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Speaker 2: Southerners and Italians are very similar. Big families, always food,

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Speaker 2: will cut a mother. But then she said, so I

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Speaker 2: am unfortunately due the day of crime con so we

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Speaker 2: will not be going next year, or at least I

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01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: will not be going. And she said, ay, I should

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Speaker 2: have a baby shower there, which was like, I can't

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Speaker 2: do because I can't even go. And then she said, no,

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: I should just go and our session should be me

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Speaker 2: giving birth live what stage and you narrate this lady

1138
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: is out of her mind.

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing. I'd love to do that. That

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Speaker 1: would have been fun. Oh my god, she is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but we're excited. How do you feel about

1142
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Speaker 2: being a grandma.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited because like I could give the kid back.

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Speaker 1: That's like the biggest thing that you know. I really

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01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: I love babies and stuff, but just having two back

1146
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: to back like that for me was enough to say

1147
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: that I was done because it's just too much. But

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Speaker 1: if I only have to play with a kid for

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01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: a little while and give it back then. I'm super

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: excited about that.

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Speaker 2: That's how I felt with the girls. I was like,

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Speaker 2: this is awesome. I get to be like their cool,

1153
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: big older sister, even though they think I'm a boomer.

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Speaker 2: Hand them back. But yeah, if you guys are interested

1155
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: in the process of IVA for anything, I wrote a

1156
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Speaker 2: gigantic four thousand word right up on the website. It

1157
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: took me a very long time to write, so you

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01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: can head over there and read that. And I'm excited

1159
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: and now I could openly talk about it because it's

1160
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 2: been very hard as a blabbermouth to keep my mouth

1161
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Speaker 2: That's what That's what Kara.

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01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: Texted me today and was like, God, that must have

1163
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: been really hard for you to keep your mouth shut.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like it was. But at the same time,

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: like I feel like it was Maria's news to tell.

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, I told a couple of my friends

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Speaker 1: that Maria wouldn't see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hire at scene for a couple.

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: Of years or something like that. But other than that,

1170
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: like I already got to tell everyone that I was

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Speaker 1: pregnant when I was so like, it's your turn now, Yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to, you know, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 2: like my close friends and immediate family knew I was

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Speaker 2: going through IVF. So I feel like everybody knew pretty

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Speaker 2: early when I had that. Everybody knew basically right away

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Speaker 2: when I was pregnant weeks and weeks and weeks ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which I was fine with because at that time, I

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Speaker 2: was like everybody that I've told, I would also be

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: comfortable telling if I had a problem, right, Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: it's like I just want to I mean I even

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: probably could have sat on here like last week or

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01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, right, but I still was like, I

1183
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: want to wait till my ultrasound and they check his

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: neck and all that test and everything. So yeah, I mean,

1185
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to roll it out in this specific

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01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: way because I was like, still even in the grosser room,

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: it's like, you guys are the best community ever and

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01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: you understand more than anybody anything. But yeah, I'm really

1189
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: happy to share the news and we can move on now.

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Speaker 2: So all right, onto your questions and emails. So if

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: you guys have questions or stories for us, you could

1192
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: always email those to stories at mothernosdeath dot com. Remember,

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Speaker 2: if you don't want your name mentioned that, just say

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Speaker 2: you want to remain anonymous, and we will keep it

1195
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Speaker 2: that way because we don't want to piss anybody off.

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Speaker 2: First question, this next one, one of these that you

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Speaker 2: had written down might be a little bit once a

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Speaker 2: little scandalous.

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Speaker 1: It's a little scandalous.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I want more scandalous of messages from you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want all the stories. So this first question

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Speaker 2: we have. I think we answered this in a way

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Speaker 2: before on a previous episode, but it's always a good

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: refresher because we're talking about autopsies so much. So this

1206
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Speaker 2: person's asking start to finish, how long does an autopsy take?

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Speaker 1: It just it really just depends on what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it could be as quick as a half hour,

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Speaker 1: and it could be as long as hours. It just

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Speaker 1: depends on It just depends. So usually, like when I

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Speaker 1: rotated at the Children's hospital, doing an autopsy on a

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Speaker 1: fetus or a baby was like an all day thing.

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Speaker 1: Start in the morning, take a million pictures, just go through,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you're trying to look for congenital anomalies too,

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Speaker 1: which could just sometimes take longer, especial on really little anatomy,

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Speaker 1: so we would do the autopsy for a couple hours

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Speaker 1: in the morning and then cover up the body and

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Speaker 1: go to lunch and then come back and finish it.

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Speaker 1: So that wouldn't be abnormal in a situation like that.

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Speaker 1: And for adults, it just depends. If they're doing it

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Speaker 1: at the medical examiner's office, they're going to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit quicker because they're really just trying to determine

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Speaker 1: the manner of cause of death, whereas sometimes in the hospital,

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Speaker 1: like in a teaching setting, we might take some more

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Speaker 1: time because we're also trying to teach medical students and

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Speaker 1: pathology residents at the same time, so we're a little

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Speaker 1: bit more thorough and we examine organs that you might

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Speaker 1: not normally look at in a regular autopsy. Like let's say,

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Speaker 1: for example, in a medical examiner's office, if there was

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Speaker 1: a person who maybe you know, got shot in the

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Speaker 1: chest and they opened them up and they could see

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Speaker 1: that that was clearly their cause of death, they probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't take out the man's testicles and examine them, like

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Speaker 1: it's just not necessary, it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: why the person died. But like in the hospital setting,

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Speaker 1: especially a teaching hospital. We take out everything and look

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Speaker 1: at it most of the time just for educational purposes.

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Speaker 1: So obviously doing extra dissections and taking you know, will

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Speaker 1: take out the bow and we'll examine, you know, the

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Speaker 1: bowel contents and this and that, and like sometimes in

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Speaker 1: certain medical examiner situations, if they have a lot of autopsies,

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Speaker 1: are not going to take all that time to do it,

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Speaker 1: so it could be quick. We you know, I know

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner that has said he's very proud that

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Speaker 1: he could do one start to finish in a half hour.

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01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: Uh and and others, like I said, six seven hours brutal.

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Speaker 1: I'm more of a fan of a quicker one.

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Speaker 2: But all right, this submission they just signed their email

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Speaker 2: letter K, So just listen to your episode with the

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Speaker 2: viral news story of the dog that jumped on the

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Speaker 2: bed and shot the owner, I have insider info in

1252
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Speaker 2: ways I can't specify, but the dog was just a scapegoat.

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Speaker 2: In that story, the owner was cleaning the gun and

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Speaker 2: it was not assembled, meaning there's no way a dog

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: could have accidentally set it off. There was another person

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Speaker 2: in the house with the eyes of Moji. Regardless, the

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Speaker 2: man is in shape gnarly shape. But expected to be okay.

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Speaker 1: That is that is scandalous.

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Speaker 2: See, we want more submissions like this. Yes, we like

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Speaker 2: the insider scoop on these stories we cover because sometimes

1261
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: the news just is really vague and we don't get anything.

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Speaker 2: All right, last, it's from Chelsea. November nineteenth was my daughter,

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 2: Kelly Keith's tenth birthday, and she and I love your show.

1264
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: I've been following since before Nicole got her Mommy makeover.

1265
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: I thought Nicole was so cool and all her tattoos

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: and with an education just like me, I was just

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Speaker 2: a young mother. My son is now sixteen. I'm a

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Speaker 2: nurse and I beat human anatomy, biology, and medicine into

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Speaker 2: my daughter's brains and she could talk. It's to the

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Speaker 2: point where we will watch a show and medically traumatic

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Speaker 2: event will happen and she will say, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: that's so fake. Follow that, follow by educating the entire

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Speaker 2: family on how it would realistically happen. Anyway, She and

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Speaker 2: I love your show, and every time we get in

1275
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: the car, we look at each other and say, mother

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: knows death. Then she proceeds to sing the intro starring

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Speaker 2: Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Q Kane. I'm so thankful

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01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: to her and I have your show to bond over.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's super cool.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Yes, happy birthday. That's so cute. We love here. Yeah,

1281
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: we love to hear it because Maria and I certainly

1282
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: have things like dot that we share as well, So

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Speaker 1: it is cool to have something like that with your

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Speaker 1: mom for sure.

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: We also hope we're not traumatizing her young de story.

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: I know, right, it's like some of the stuff I

1287
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: forget that there's younger people listening, so I don't know,

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01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: just maybe listen in the beginning of things that we're

1289
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: going because we do talk about in the beginning of

1290
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Speaker 1: the episode everything we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's super cool. Thank you for writing that in.

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