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Speaker 1: Hey, Club Shay listeners. We'll be back soon with weekly

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Speaker 1: episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then,

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this special rewind episode with one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: moments from Club Sha Shake. So far, all my life running,

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Speaker 1: all my life us one slice, one got then all

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Speaker 1: my life I've been grinding in all my life. We

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Speaker 1: win in ninety seven, we go to Pittsburgh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have to go. We're a wild card team, so

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Speaker 1: we have to go on the road and beat Kansas

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Speaker 1: City who had just beaten us three weeks earlier to

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Speaker 1: win the division. So now we're going to beat the

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Speaker 1: wild card. We beat Kansas City in Kansas City. Now

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Speaker 1: for the AFC Championship, we got to go to Three Rivers,

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Speaker 1: the old Three Rivers Stadium and play the Steelers who

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Speaker 1: had just ramshackled us about six weeks earlier and winning

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Speaker 1: that game. And we're going to the super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: we have a conversation that night, you know about what

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Speaker 1: the expectations although you had never been. And I just

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Speaker 1: remember Rember here in the adulation and your boys, like

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Obody, I really really know somebody that I

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Speaker 1: grew up never is going to play in the Super Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the only thing. It didn't dawn on me

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Speaker 1: at the time. When you and I were talking, Now,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, your team is playing my old team in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It was like finally someone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I had done a lot of work done. I've been

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Speaker 1: the Robert Brooks's and the Edgar Bennetts and the Dorsey Levins.

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Speaker 1: We had been teammates, and I had an idea of

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Speaker 1: what it took for them to get to, you know,

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Speaker 1: get that team in the Super Bowl because they had

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Speaker 1: just won one the year before. But with you, it

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Speaker 1: was different because it was like, okay, he should have

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Speaker 1: he was going to the Army to start off with,

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Speaker 1: and then he ended up going to Savannah State, all right,

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Speaker 1: and then he wasn't getting drafted, and then he ends

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Speaker 1: up going to Denver in the seventh round. And then

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Speaker 1: my old quarterback is not throwing him the ball in

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Speaker 1: positions that he can catch it. So my old quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: about to get him and Shannon cut so everything is

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Speaker 1: starting to look like you know what this is, this

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Speaker 1: is supposed to happen. This way. And I think the

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Speaker 1: only time I left since I left the NFL that

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Speaker 1: I ever went what if was what if I was

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Speaker 1: playing for my team and he's playing with his team

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Speaker 1: playing in this Super Bowl? That would have been something else.

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Speaker 1: That's the only time I have ever missed playing in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. That's the only time, not one time since

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Speaker 1: I left, except for that time, did I ever miss

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Speaker 1: playing in the NFL. I don't think Mama and Buck

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Speaker 1: could have handled it. No, I don't think Buck. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Buck could have handled mamauld have been fine,

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Speaker 1: because Mama would have had a jersey with you know,

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Speaker 1: but Buck couldn't have took my sister. Now, she wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have handled that very well. Let's talk about your Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about your career. Obviously, you retire at the twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years of age. Seven years in the season, and

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Speaker 1: there have only been two seasons in which someone is

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Speaker 1: caught more than eighteen touchdowns. Jerry Rice in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven with twenty three. If you look

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Speaker 1: Nobody had that many that many catches in it to

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Speaker 1: what people don't understand about this in your last six games,

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Speaker 1: your career you had thirteen touchdowns. Only Jerry record breaking

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Speaker 1: so his is pretty impressive. He did that during the

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Speaker 1: when you see the Hall of Fame, and I know

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Speaker 1: it's something that's something that you don't talk about and

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Speaker 1: receiving category either catches, yards or touchdowns. I did that

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Speaker 1: and I did not do that with Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I got some catches in there for Bud Keys and

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Speaker 1: But I just think that everybody goes. Everybody is in

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Speaker 1: in Ike Bruce. I mean, I got no problem with

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Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking anybody. I'm just making an argument,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think about it, don't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, if me getting into Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: right now. But I'll take my seven years, and you

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Speaker 1: seven years. I liked the way my numbers stack up.

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Speaker 1: It's not my you know, it's not my fault that

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Speaker 1: but for me getting into the Hall of Fame, and

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Speaker 1: That was probably the lowest I've ever seen you too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was worse than I'm going to the army, and

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Speaker 1: That was the worst because I think you allowed yourself

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Speaker 1: what others Because I think at the time it was you,

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Speaker 1: Ozzie and John Mackie. You know, hey, who's the best?

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Speaker 1: Okay Keller, I'm killing, So it was you, Ozzie, John

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Speaker 1: I think you allowed yourself to look at your numbers

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Speaker 1: I've been at three super bowl so you can say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was about winning. Well, no tight end

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Speaker 1: with the all Pro selections, fifty seasons, the thousand yards

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Speaker 1: I didn't set the schedule up. I didn't go. This

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Speaker 1: you know what, I like my numbers and my numbers,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny playing to you know, playing travel golf.

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Speaker 1: Now I get a chance to be around a lot

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