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Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat weighed in on the Steelers quarterback battle, if

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Speaker 1: two of Prime for a breakout year and what the

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Speaker 1: heck are we getting with Jeffin Fields Vikings Analysts. Former

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Speaker 1: linebacker for Minnesota Ben Lieber elaborated on his reporting about

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Speaker 1: the riff between Kirk Cousins and Mike Zimmer and Alan Schipnuk,

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Speaker 1: author of the new book Phil About Phil Mickelson, unique

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Speaker 1: insight on Lefty's move to the Live Tour. But first

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Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. I saw this story

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Speaker 1: and I think it's worth talking about. Ben Lieber is

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Speaker 1: a current Sideline reporter. He's a former Minnesota Viking. One

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Speaker 1: of my constant themes has been I think over the

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Speaker 1: last year and if you watch the herd on TV

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Speaker 1: or listening on radio about how the game is changing,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks make more, they want more. It's an offensive league.

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is struggled. He struggled with Russ Belichick, last

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Speaker 1: I think it was after the season from somebody I

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Speaker 1: trusted in the Minnesota kind of ecosystem that Zimmer and

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins really had a chili chili relationship. And so

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Speaker 1: Ben Lieber, the former Viking linebacker, came out this weekend

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Speaker 1: and said Mike Zimmer did not like her Cousins. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because the Vikings defense last year was ranked

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Speaker 1: thirtieth and Kirk cousins offense was ranked twelve, and the

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Speaker 1: Vikings only had one double digit loss all season. Do

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Speaker 1: you know that's the fewest in the NFL. They had

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Speaker 1: eight one possession losses. That was the most in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: two more than any other team. That's why I picked

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Speaker 1: the Vikings this year to be my surprise team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Thirteen fourteen wins. I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: be great. They got the tall Sean McVay as their

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Speaker 1: new coach. This is what I've been saying about Pete

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Speaker 1: going to hear this from Ron Rivera, is that the

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Speaker 1: cultures change. Quarterbacks make more. They want to be respected more,

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Speaker 1: and they want more of a voice. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny about Kirk Cousins. Does he have a lower ceiling? Yes,

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Speaker 1: does he shrink? But if you look at the Vikings

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Speaker 1: last year, and I want you to look at him

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Speaker 1: this year outside of the game at Buffalo, their schedules

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Speaker 1: very favorable. The tougher games are mostly at home, and

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Speaker 1: their road games are very winnable. At Philly, at the Saints,

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Speaker 1: at the Dolphins, at the Commanders, really winnable games. But

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Speaker 1: I think more than that, if you've ever had a

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Speaker 1: but a little rigid and you didn't think he trusted you.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely think it affects performance. And I think Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 1: whose personality can shrink in big games. Anyway, if you

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Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be the game changer

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Speaker 1: He's got an offensive coach. The offensive coach is a

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Speaker 1: fresh set of eyes and ears. And my takeaway is

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Speaker 1: like some you know, Jake Laser scoop here, but Zimmer

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Speaker 1: that's the greatest challenge for defensive coaches is that I

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Speaker 1: want to lose it, Nick Saban, Kirby Smart. They don't

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, freshman sophomore making a one hundred

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Speaker 1: the Georgia coach. So the insinuation is kids that have

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Speaker 1: But Steph Curry grew up with money, and Clay Thompson

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Speaker 1: it just didn't seem like Zim, like the guy at all.

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Speaker 1: So I make a very benign comment talk about how

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Speaker 1: the defense. Now maybe the word crap was a little

425
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Speaker 1: bit of a strong term, but the defense the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Look, it's not Zim's fault, but it

427
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Speaker 1: wasn't very good. It just, frankly, it wasn't very good.

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Speaker 1: So I make those very innocent comments, and all of

429
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Speaker 1: a sudden it's being picked up by a lot of

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Speaker 1: different places, and I'm like, what is happening? Like this

431
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Speaker 1: is just this is new that we talk about every

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Speaker 1: day here at the stand. Well, you're a former player,

433
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Speaker 1: you're in the room, you're observant, you're bright. Obviously my

434
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Speaker 1: people say you're a very talented guy. So you know

435
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Speaker 1: that I always say Mamba mentality. You know, the late

436
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant used to always say, they don't hate the

437
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: good players, they hate the great one. Embrace the hate.

438
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Speaker 1: I would also say that about embrace when you make news,

439
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: because if you didn't have validity in your community, then

440
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Speaker 1: nobody would listen to you. So when when players feel

441
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Speaker 1: like they get in hot water might takeaway as no, Bro,

442
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: that's because you've got information and people respect what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting about this ban and I've

444
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Speaker 1: I've talked about this in the last year. Belichick struggled

445
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Speaker 1: with Brady at the end, Pete Carroll struggled, Mike Zimmer struggled,

446
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: Brian Flora struggled with this quarterback. And my theory is, culturally,

447
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: we have a change ban in the NFL. The game

448
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: is now so offensive. Leaning quarterbacks are making like real

449
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Madrid Lebron money. They have more power in the league.

450
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, guys now are demanding to get out Stafford

451
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: and getting the jobs they want, and they want to

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Speaker 1: be respected more. And Kirk Cussins deserves some respect. He's

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Speaker 1: a darned good quarterback. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: these defensive guys Belichick, Carol Flores, Zimmer, Fangio. They are

455
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: struggling with a bit of the cultural change and significant

456
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Speaker 1: of the other side of the ball. And that's my tip. Ben.

457
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Speaker 1: I could be off my rocker, but it's weird. All

458
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: these quarterback issues feel like they're defensive coaches quarterback issues. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: I can understand how you could you could draw that conclusion.

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Speaker 1: And let me just say this for the record. You know,

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Speaker 1: I had some comments, you know, which why do you

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Speaker 1: read comments? But it was as if I had something

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Speaker 1: against Mike Zimmer. I have nothing against Mike Zimmer. You know.

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Speaker 1: The reason, you know, the reasons why the defense wasn't

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Speaker 1: very good is not be cousin of Mike Zimmer. Actually,

466
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Speaker 1: he probably saved them from being the absolute worst in

467
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Speaker 1: the league. There's a lot of issues. There are injuries everywhere.

468
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Speaker 1: Guys just didn't perform to their level that we expected

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Speaker 1: them to. So let me just put it out those

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Speaker 1: comments had nothing to do with Mike Zimmer, because I, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm embracing the attention, but I also value relationships and

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Speaker 1: I don't want it to be out there that there

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Speaker 1: was ever anything with Mike Zimmer and I. So to

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Speaker 1: go back to your your observation though, about defensive head

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Speaker 1: coaches and quarterbacks, I can only say this about Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: We get it. We get that Kirk is a dork.

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing that I appreciate about him, though,

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Speaker 1: is he embraces it. He embraces the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: a little nerdy. He's a little dorky. He could be

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00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: a little stale at times, but you have to respect

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's a really good quarterback. He makes

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Speaker 1: throws every game that even the would have to look

483
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Speaker 1: at themselves and say, that was a hell of a throw.

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Speaker 1: That was that was a big boy throw, that that

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Speaker 1: was an NFL type of throw. I think a lot

486
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Speaker 1: of these defensive head coaches are looking for personality. They're

487
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Speaker 1: looking for Brett Farves. Those guys don't exist in every draft,

488
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: they don't exist everywhere, but they have this idea that

489
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Speaker 1: we have to have this dog and as our quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We don't. We can care less about maybe the the

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Speaker 1: acumen and how well they can throw, because as a

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Speaker 1: defensive head coach, I trust our defense. I'm trusting our

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Speaker 1: guys to win us games. So hand the ball off,

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Speaker 1: make some play action throws, be a great guy, locker

495
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Speaker 1: room guy that is like that Brett Farve type of guy.

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Speaker 1: I think that they just want too much. That's not

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Speaker 1: the way personalities are built. And he's one of those

498
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Speaker 1: guys that's he's a little darky, you know, a guy

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Speaker 1: who's not dorky but has issues. I've criticized as Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Now I have the Vikings winning the division this year

501
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Speaker 1: because I do think with a new offensive coach from

502
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Speaker 1: the McVay system, Kurt will feel supported. I said it

503
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Speaker 1: on the air this week. Any of us had a

504
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Speaker 1: boss that we thought didn't trust us, it would affect performance.

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00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: It'd be in your head. And I thought in big

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Speaker 1: games last year there were times it was in Kirk's head, who,

507
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Speaker 1: by the way, we don't know if he'll ever be

508
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Speaker 1: a great big game quarterback, but I thought the last

509
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Speaker 1: two years it really gotten his head. And I do

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Speaker 1: think Zimmer's part of that. And I like Zimmer too,

511
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Speaker 1: But now he gets an offensive guy. The personnel's great,

512
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Speaker 1: the running back, tight ends, receivers, they're o lines better,

513
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Speaker 1: they got an edge rusher. I like they're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna score points. I don't think the Divisions is good.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers because I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing as kind of anti Aaron Rodgers guy, which I'm

517
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Speaker 1: not first Bellot Hall of Famer, unbelievable. My knock is

518
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: oh has been. He's got a trust issue. I've seen

519
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: it from family to receivers. He's not a foxhole guy.

520
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Great with a lead, but I always thought Matt Stafford

521
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Speaker 1: better behind is that there's certain guys in this sport.

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Speaker 1: They are freaking foxhole guys. Matt Stabart is a foxhole guy,

523
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Speaker 1: Joey Burrow you can see. And then there's our guys.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty good with the lead. Don't think they're there

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Speaker 1: for me if things go. And that's always been to

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Speaker 1: my knock on Aaron Rodgers, and there's some there is

527
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Speaker 1: some data Ben that suggests I'm not that wrong, So

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not an Aaron Rodgers. I'm a critic,

529
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Speaker 1: but I don't have disdain for that said. Vikings have

530
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Speaker 1: played them well, Kirks played them well. I think they've

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Speaker 1: got better personnel this year than Green Bay. Am I nuts? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you're nuts at all, And I

533
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Speaker 1: think that you look at the way it's going to

534
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Speaker 1: shape out playing those guys this year. We open the

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Speaker 1: season with Green Bay and what a great opportunity when

536
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Speaker 1: they have they lose Davante Adams. You know, they all

537
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Speaker 1: think that Christian Watson is going to be the guy.

538
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Speaker 1: But can you expect them to have a Justin Jefferson

539
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Speaker 1: type of rookie year I don't think so. No. Moving

540
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Speaker 1: from North Dakota State to Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers

541
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Speaker 1: and the NFC and the NFL, I just don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: My money is on the fact that he's not going

543
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: to be a Justin Jefferson type of receiver in year one.

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Speaker 1: That being said, what do they really have? I mean,

545
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: obviously they're going to test us with the run game,

546
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: which the Vikings run game has not been very good

547
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I think that's going to

548
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: be better. But you know, Zadarius is here, he'll give

549
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: us a little intel. I mean, I think that's also

550
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: one of those things where a lot of media says, like, oh,

551
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Speaker 1: they have so and so they're going to get the

552
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: breakdown during the week. I've seen some breakdowns of former

553
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: players that used to be on other teams. They're terrible

554
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, they're no better than the scout

555
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: a report that we get anyway from the coaches and

556
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the advanced scouts. So I just think that there's familiarity

557
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: with them that is advantageous to the Vikings. And I

558
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: agree that for the most part, you look across the board,

559
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: they're every bit as talented. I think that they're going

560
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: to be up and running as an offense quicker than

561
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: their receiver corps in their offense is going to be

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, even though they've been in the system

563
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Speaker 1: a little bit longer. So when it comes to just

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Speaker 1: who's going to win the NFC North, I'm really bullish

565
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Speaker 1: on how the Vikings look. The Vikings now have a

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Speaker 1: new coach, they call him the Tall Sean McVeigh, and

567
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: mcvay's putting together a pretty darn impressive tree. Yeah, and

568
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: so I haven't heard much about Kevin. I don't know him.

569
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Speaker 1: I saw him on the sidelines. Tell us about him?

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing? What do you guys know about him?

571
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Speaker 1: What's the offense gonna look like? Well, that's I think

572
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the biggest question is is what is the offense going

573
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Speaker 1: to look like? And you know, every disciple of any

574
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: sort of offensive minded head coach or defensive minded head coach,

575
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: they always have differences and how they see things, and

576
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: differences an approach and differences and maybe how they can

577
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: exploit a defense or offense. So it's not going to

578
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: be as easy just to go back and look at

579
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: what Stafford and the Rams did this last couple of years.

580
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna it's gonna look very similar, But

581
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: what is what is that ten or fifteen percent difference,

582
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Because everybody's going to want to put their own personality

583
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: and mark on something and they want to try something

584
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: a little bit different, and everything changes with personnel. You know,

585
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: there are some things maybe that Dalvin Cook can do

586
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: that maybe the other running backs couldn't do, you know,

587
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: same thing with the wide receiver corps. Same thing with

588
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. This is an offensive line, and you

589
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Speaker 1: mentioned off the top of the podcast that is getting better.

590
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Speaker 1: I mean that's been one of our achilles heels on

591
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: offensive last couple of years, and I think that they've

592
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: made the right steps to solidify that offensive line. But again,

593
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: all different pieces, all different skill sets. We know we

594
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Speaker 1: do know based off of OTAs in mini camps, We're

595
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Speaker 1: going to see a lot more of a receiving Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be either split out as a weapon,

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Speaker 1: he is going to be flared out. There's gonna be

598
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Speaker 1: screen passes, there's going to be you know, choice routes,

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Speaker 1: f angles in the middle of the field. That's going

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Speaker 1: to really take advantage of his quickness and his open

601
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Speaker 1: field ability. And I think that's a plus. I think

602
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Speaker 1: every game that we walked into last year, we talked

603
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: as a as an analyst group, well, what can be

604
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: an X factor for this game? In every game, you

605
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: could say Dalvin Cook's receiving yards. Because we know what

606
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: we have in Feeling, we know what we have in

607
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. If he can be the X factor and

608
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: be a third down possession guy or a guy that

609
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: can break one off, that can be the X factor.

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to finally see the X factor

611
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Speaker 1: be a real part of this offense on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 1: As far as personality goes, he's chill, you know what

613
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Speaker 1: else to say. I mean, he's sort of the anti

614
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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer. You know, he's always smiling, he seems to

615
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: always be very thoughtful in his answers. You know, I

616
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Speaker 1: think he gives you enough information without like oversharing. I

617
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Speaker 1: don't think he is looking for a guy that's going

618
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Speaker 1: to give you the most honest answer all the time.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like there's transparency the communication, there's collabor

620
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: ration with Quacy. He just seems like a guy that

621
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: the players can really relate to, And I think I

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: do think that's important. Well, timing is really important in life.

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Speaker 1: Location and real estate matters, and timing when you're right

624
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: of book matters. And Alan Schipnuk is a golfriter twenty

625
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: five years at Sports Illustrated. He writes a book on

626
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Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson, By the Way, great book filled the rip

627
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Speaker 1: roaring and unauthorized biography of golf s Buol's colorful superstar.

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Speaker 1: And then he decides to join the Live tour and

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Speaker 1: becomes this controversial figure, you know, after reading your book,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I never gave this thought. If you'd

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Speaker 1: have told me there's two golfers that would have joined it,

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Speaker 1: I would have guessed Greg Norman, who verbalized his frustration

633
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: with the PGA Tour for years, and Phil who's sort

634
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: of an audacious eater and gambler. And Liver, and it's like,

635
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by well, were you shocked by either? No,

636
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: it's interesting because Phil and Greg have never been close,

637
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: but they are definitely kindred spirits. I mean, they played

638
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: the game the same way, which is aggressive to the

639
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: point of reckless. It's kind of how they've lived their lives.

640
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: And so it almost seems like it's in the stars.

641
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: So they would come together at this very complicated moment

642
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: for professional golf, and it checks out. I mean, it's

643
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: interesting that the players who have gone over to live

644
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: by and large fit a personality type. I mean Patrick Reid, Brooks, Kepka,

645
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Bryce and the shamble. Yes, I'm trying to think of

646
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: a polite term for that personality, but I mean spiky maybe.

647
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: And and so the league is sort of forming in

648
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: Norman's image in a lot of ways. I mean, he's

649
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: always stirred the pot, he's always been controversial in some quarters.

650
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: He's still he's a pariah really, and so it's it's

651
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: it's fascinating how this how this has played out, and

652
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: it's changed a little bit, you know, the addition of

653
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: the most recently of Charles Howell and Henrik Stenson. That's

654
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: actually important for Live because everyone likes those guys. They're

655
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: like nice people, right. I think they need to start

656
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: recruiting some choir boys because you know, Pat Perez, Jason Kokrack,

657
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: like again, these guys, all these are they're a very

658
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: particular personality type. And so it's interesting if you're so

659
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to win hearts and minds, you have to

660
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: have players that the people like and they want to

661
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: cheer for. So um, it's it's it's fascinating to watch

662
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: how this all plays out. Well. I've talked about this

663
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: with friends Dana White, Vince McMahon. If you look at

664
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: some of the great brand builders in my space, Dana White,

665
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna go fight right in the middle of COVID.

666
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: That's his personality's hyper aggressive. You know, Vince McMahon has

667
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: fought the critics forever. And I think you're onto something

668
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: that the Live Tour knew it was going to take people,

669
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: if not contrarian, that are kind of alpha. But you know,

670
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting to me, Alan is there. You know,

671
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: there's pearl clutching over sports gambling, and then what generally happens,

672
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: a wave of people accept it, and then we all

673
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: kind of take a deep breath and go. So now

674
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley's name is out there, and I look at

675
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Golfer's Allen, and I think to myself, well, they played

676
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: golf since their kids by themselves. A caddie's really just

677
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: an employee. They're not teammates, right, They're not part of

678
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: really a collective. They're always based on their score, independent contractors.

679
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: And I think to myself, this was inevitable that this

680
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: is the sport of solo artists. Wasn't this inevitable at

681
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: some point? If it wasn't if it wasn't Saudi Arabia Allen,

682
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: it's Amazon's Exon, it's Apple, It's somebody looking at the

683
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: PGA and thinking you're very vulnerable. You're just an organizing group.

684
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: This was going to happen, wasn't it well? And it

685
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: almost did in the early nineties, and that was Fox money,

686
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, that was that was Norman's buddy, Rupert Murdoch,

687
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: who proposed the two of them came up with this

688
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: this World Golf Tour, and it was a very viable

689
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: competitor to the PGA Tour, but they didn't quite have

690
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: the long money that the Saudis do, and Norman got

691
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: out foxed by a very kg PJA Tour commissioner and

692
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Tim Fincham who was a lawyer and a political operative.

693
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: And this time the scales a little different. Norman has

694
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: more money and the current PGA Tour Commissioner, Jaymonhan doesn't

695
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: have the same sensibilities as its predecessor, and so they've

696
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: they've gotten purchase on this. But yeah, it's you're right.

697
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean the tour, because it's been a monopoly on

698
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: big time golf in the US. It had grown complacent

699
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: and the product had become stale. I mean the golf

700
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: courses h use they had gone away from a lot

701
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: of traditional venues in favor of these tPCS, which some

702
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: are okay, but it doesn't exactly stir the soul when

703
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: you see the initials TPC in front of a golf

704
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: course name, and you know, the style of play has

705
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: become very one dimensional. It's sort of analogous to baseball,

706
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: where it's a home runner, a strikeout and that's it.

707
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean that there's the power game has become so

708
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: emphasized on the PGA Tour that the shot making, the

709
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: finesse the artistry, even some of the the the cerebral

710
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: aspects of the game have been de emphasized and it's

711
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: just a more boring product. So and then you have

712
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: the players. Um, you know, they've they their relationship with

713
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: the press has evolved where they all want to monetize

714
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: their their content and they saw how Tigers signed this

715
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: deal and Roy McRoy signed this deal, and so they

716
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: become more remote figures. They're not. It's it's harder if

717
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: as reporters, if we can't tell their story and get

718
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: people that care. Um, that's a problem. You know that

719
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: there's a reason that that you know, at the Olympics

720
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: we watch all these vignettes because you have to have

721
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: a rooting interest and the players have gotten more remote

722
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: and golf that hasn't as served their interests and so um,

723
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that have come together here

724
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: that did, as you say, make the tour vulnerable. And

725
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: the complicating factor, of course is the Saudi money, because

726
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: that is that causes a lot of emotion and a

727
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: lot of cognitive dissonance for people. And so that's why

728
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: we're having all these conversations. But from a pure competition standpoint,

729
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. The tour needed competition, and now it's

730
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: arrived in spades. Yeah, you know, I was contacted by

731
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: Greg Norman's people the other day, and I'm interested in

732
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: looking at it. And I think, for instance, broadcast television

733
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: was vulnerable and that really elicited a strong push by cable.

734
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Cable televisions vulnerable. Here comes Netflix. And so the key

735
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: is the Pac twelve was vulnerable, Here comes the Big Ten.

736
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: The Big twelve was vulnerable, Here comes the sec The

737
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: key is to not make yourself vulnerable. But some of this,

738
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: let me defend the PGA is just timing. I don't

739
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: believe if Tiger Woods was in his thirties and crushing,

740
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: regardless of money, Alan Live would not be as attractive.

741
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: There was a certain panache and sex appeal that Tiger

742
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: gave the tour. I mean it was like Sopranos. I

743
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: set my clock to Sunday. And I think as Tiger

744
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: has become less relevant and Phil has aged, those were

745
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the two rock stars in my opinion after Greg Norman.

746
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: I had a Greg Norman. I had six Greg Norman

747
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: golf shirts. I mean, he I was serious and I'm

748
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: not a golf shirt wear or great golfer. But Greg

749
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: was a rock star, and then here comes Tiger and

750
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Phil rock stars As they've diminished in relevance in a

751
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: fragmented sports world, there's it's hard to grab onto the sport.

752
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: Alan For me, it's if I still root for Phil

753
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: to be viable six a year ago, for him to

754
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: be viable on Sunday made my weekend. I don't feel

755
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: I like Brooks Kapica, but I don't feel that way right, Yeah,

756
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: there's I mean, for a decade or more, there's been

757
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: handwringing about what is golf can look like in the

758
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: post Tiger, post Phil era. This has been an issue

759
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: that's been thought about and talked about for a long time,

760
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: and to some degree, we can't get past them because,

761
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, Tiger hijack the narrative at the Open Championship

762
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: just last week. Phil remains one of the biggest stories

763
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: in golf, even though he's not really playing that well.

764
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: So there's still it's kind of the death rattle of

765
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: their their relevance. But they can't go on forever. And then,

766
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: as you say, you lose a lot of juice, you

767
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: lose a lot of casual fans, and so what I

768
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: think what Norman identified is that, you know, golf has changed.

769
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I think four million people tried the sport for the

770
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: first time last year and it wasn't on a golf course.

771
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: It was at a five iron golf indoor facility. He

772
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: was at a top golf or it was you know,

773
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: any like a little part three course. And people are

774
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: coming to the game in non traditional ways. And so

775
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: what Live Golf is trying to do is capitalize on

776
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: these fans who, as you say, they don't they don't

777
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: have these long rooting allegiances and they just want to

778
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: experience a sport and their their panties are not in

779
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: a twist about a shotgun start or fifty four holes

780
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: versus seventy two. They just it's not that big a

781
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: deal to them. And so I think that Live is,

782
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a classic disruptor along the lines of

783
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: some of those those models that you discussed. And again

784
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: the Saudi money makes it complicated from a moral slash

785
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: ethical slash geo political standpoint, but just as a if

786
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: you can separate that and compartmentalize that, it's pretty incredible

787
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: what Live Golf is built in a short period of time.

788
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean No one would ever imagine they'd have this

789
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: many Hall of famers, major championship winners and relevant golfers

790
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: that they have in such short period of time. And

791
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: there's more common. I mean the Open Championship. I was

792
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: just in Saint Andrews and the conversation was the was

793
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: alive with talk about this deal and that deal, on

794
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: who's next and what's the number, and there's there's still

795
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: going to land a few whales, and so they, you know,

796
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: very quickly lives reshaped the whole landscape professional golf. Years ago,

797
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone made Wall Street. He did not mean to

798
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: make Gordon Gecko a sympathetic figure, but he did that.

799
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: All these young traders wanted to be Gordon Gecko, not

800
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: Bud Fox right. And as I read the film book,

801
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I do I like him more. He's so

802
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: flawed a bit of a mess, so absurdly confident at times,

803
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: obnoxious at times, deeply caring and thoughtful of others, that

804
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: as I watched that, I thought, not in any way

805
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: that you were trying to be like Oliver Stone and

806
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: create an unsympathetic care But as you were writing it,

807
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: did you think to yourself at any point, Oh boy,

808
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: this could be punitive, this is damaging or did you

809
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: think I think when you get the whole Enchilada, you

810
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: kind of you like it more because at the end

811
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: of your book, I had mixed vibes. At times I

812
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: thought he's kind of a mess, and I'm like, it's

813
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: just part of Phil, It's who he is. Yeah, well

814
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: that that was my intention is I tried very hard

815
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: not to legislate people's emotions and feelings towards Phil. I

816
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: didn't come in with an agenda and try and push

817
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: this idea that feels good or feels bad, because in

818
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: some ways he's both, Like he's very complex and he's

819
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: very multifaceted. So I just wanted to put it all

820
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: out there and let each reader take from it what

821
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: they will. And it's been fascinating to hear the reactions

822
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: because I've had people say I was never a Phil fan,

823
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: and I've read it and I love the guy now

824
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: despite his flaws. And he's lost some fans because there

825
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: was things in the book that they found objectionable. And

826
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: there's there's people who are very ambivalent, you know, they're

827
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: they're a torrent. They're like, well, I love him and

828
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: I hate him, and and so I think that maybe

829
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: I did my job because he's not a cardboard cutout.

830
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: He's not he's not two divisional. And um, so yeah,

831
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: I to your question, I was. I was careful, Like

832
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: I was always trying to bring it back when when

833
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: there's some great stuff about his philanthropy and it makes

834
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you want to hug the guy that's like, all right, well,

835
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: let's let's sprinkle a little spice here. And then when

836
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: there when there's things that you know they're controversial and

837
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: people might not like you know, might not appreciate, I'm okay,

838
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about his mentorship and his philanthropy. And

839
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: so I was always trying to kind of toggle between

840
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: the two, the two extremes. So that was sort of

841
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: an editorial decision, But ultimately it's just how Phil has

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Speaker 1: lived his life. I mean, he's done a lot of

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Speaker 1: great things, and he's touched a lot of people, and

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Speaker 1: he's been a part a lot of controversy, a lot

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Speaker 1: of mess, and it's just it's all in there. It's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite golf books because you're not judgmental.

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Speaker 1: You're an observer and a reporter, and I think toggles

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Speaker 1: a perfect word. There is a you know, the roller

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Speaker 1: coaster effect where it's like, oh, this is a lot,

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Speaker 1: and then there's you get that brief Oh what a

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Speaker 1: what a thoughtful ride this is? And his diet is

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Speaker 1: not surprising. I take people to I mean, he's I

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Speaker 1: have somebody in my life who has a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this personality, which is everything is big, the opinions

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Speaker 1: are big, the gambling's big. Let me ask you this

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Speaker 1: was the decision to join live in economic necessity? At

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Speaker 1: any point do you believe? I mean, he's made well

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Speaker 1: into hundreds of millions, but then I read about his

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Speaker 1: gambling losses, and remember he can make one hundred million,

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Speaker 1: but in California you get fifty. If you're little, fifty million,

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Speaker 1: you lost one hundred million. Do you val there's some

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Speaker 1: economic necessity here? Yeah? I think there was some economic motivation.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was interesting because after the book came out,

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Speaker 1: Phil started using the word addiction in regards to his gambling.

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Speaker 1: He'd never said that. I think that that was a

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Speaker 1: powerful statement. And again with Phil, you never know, like

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Speaker 1: is part of that is he worried about this Billy

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Speaker 1: Walter's book that's coming and Billy really knows about Phil's gambling.

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Speaker 1: And by couching yourself in the terms of addiction, is

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Speaker 1: that making more sympathetic? So come what may? You can say, well,

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Speaker 1: I had a problem, I've addressed it, I've moved on,

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Speaker 1: or was it a very sincere you know, opening of

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Speaker 1: the soul and trying to reach out to people who

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Speaker 1: may have had their own issues and let them know

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Speaker 1: that he's with them and he's been through it as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you never know with Phil. It's he's such

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Speaker 1: a personality test that how you take that. But the

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Speaker 1: fact is for him to say that was powerful, and

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Speaker 1: it tells you that it was a huge force in

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Speaker 1: his life and it was a destructive force. And he

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Speaker 1: claims that he's you know, Phil can always make money.

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Speaker 1: So whatever whatever his problems were, and even if he

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Speaker 1: was starting at scratch as of a year ago, the

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Speaker 1: PGA Championship victory and the bonuses and now the live money,

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Speaker 1: he should be on easy Street. But you know, he

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Speaker 1: said that he was candidate. It's something he still has

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Speaker 1: to work on. He's gonna work on for the rest

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Speaker 1: of his life. So it's that that temptation is always there.

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Speaker 1: We all have addicts in our life, and we know

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Speaker 1: the struggle that they deal with, and so I think

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Speaker 1: feels okay, but I think there was a time when

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Speaker 1: it was very tenuous and that's probably what forced him

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