WEBVTT - Dr. Josh Umbehr - December 12th, Hour 2

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have come in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your city, gets saying you a console will all be.

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<v Speaker 1>Desired high tell.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want a little banging Uni, I come along.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>looking to go back into the past. I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 3>make our country successful. Retribution will be through success. Mainstream

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<v Speaker 3>media totally.

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<v Speaker 4>American people repeatedly that the biggest issue was Hillary's emails.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they said. We should focus on deporting those

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<v Speaker 4>who are truly a danger to America, and we should

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<v Speaker 4>give the rest a chance to earn legal status. Freedom

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<v Speaker 4>is back in style. Welcome to the revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Were coming to your city, going away against and saying

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<v Speaker 1>you a conscious sill. Sean Hannity Show more, I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>scene's information on freaking news and more bold inspired solutions

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<v Speaker 1>for America. All right, thanks Gotch on an hour two

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Hannity Show, Toll free, It's eight hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four one, Sean, if you want to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the program. National security happens to be an area

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<v Speaker 1>of great concern for me. We have talked at length

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<v Speaker 1>about known terrorists in the country, but we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where they are. Cartel members in the country, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where they are. Gang members now recorded in sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>staates just the trend de Arragua gang from Venezuela, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to reports, they're getting more violent by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no murderers, rapists, other violent criminals in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Many will have to be deported. Many will be deported,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we have a gap of vulnerability with our

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<v Speaker 1>national security, the same thing Reagan faced when he became

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<v Speaker 1>president in nineteen eighty. It's never been this bad our

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<v Speaker 1>top geopolitical foes. Countries like China, Russia, they have hypersonic technology.

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<v Speaker 1>My sources say that we're probably deficient, and not just hypersonics,

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<v Speaker 1>but also probably twenty other areas that are necessary. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got to prepare for what the future of modern warfare

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<v Speaker 1>will be. I don't believe it's going to be fought

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<v Speaker 1>in a battlefield, there will be some of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe future wars will be fought with in air conditioned

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<v Speaker 1>offices and people pushing buttons. And we've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>the most advanced technology stay ahead of our adversaries. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think President Trump's idea of an iron dome is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be critical long term to the safety and

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<v Speaker 1>security of our homeland, and I'm very, very worried about

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<v Speaker 1>where we are as a country at this moment in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of national security and defense. The twelve and a

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<v Speaker 1>half million unvetted Harris Biden illegals is the biggest national

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<v Speaker 1>security disaster ever. I would assume that the terrorists that

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<v Speaker 1>we know are in the country, but we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where they are are plotting and planning and scheming another

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven or worse. It is a monumental job

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<v Speaker 1>to defend this country and we've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work to do. Anyway, here to weigh in on this

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<v Speaker 1>and so much more. Our friend, Congressman Mike Waltz, although

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to be calling him Congressman much longer,

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<v Speaker 1>he was selected by President Trump for the role of

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<v Speaker 1>National Security Advisor. Former Colonel US Army Green Beret, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, also best selling author of Hard Truths and

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<v Speaker 1>Warrior Diplomat. Anyway, we couldn't be happier for you, as

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<v Speaker 1>a longtime friend of this program. We were very happy

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<v Speaker 1>people like you are willing to serve in this administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks, Sean, and it's the honor of the lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump literally is going to save the world. We're

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<v Speaker 2>already seeing the Trump effect with just with the election,

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<v Speaker 2>the entire world is reaching out to engage him, friends

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<v Speaker 2>and foe alike, and so to be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>that and to serve the American people through him and

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<v Speaker 2>advising him is really tremendous. And I'll just say one

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<v Speaker 2>more things, Sean. You know, as compared to the first

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration, we are going to continue so many of

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<v Speaker 2>those policies, from the border, from taking it to the terrorists,

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<v Speaker 2>from bringing people to the peace table for big deals.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have a team that he is putting around

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<v Speaker 2>himself now that are bought into his vision, that don't

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<v Speaker 2>dare to believe that they know better, and that often

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<v Speaker 2>have worked together. We know each other, we actually like

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and so we're all moving in the same

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<v Speaker 2>direction to restore peace through strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what about the vulnerabilities I just laid out? Am

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<v Speaker 1>I wrong? Please tell me I'm wrong, because if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>If you no, you you you.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't feel better. You shouldn't be sleeping well right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But but the cavalrys coming, so to speak. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have we still have a wide open border. We

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<v Speaker 2>have the Caliphate in Afghanistan with ISIS and al Qaeda

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<v Speaker 2>trying to come roaring back. It's still not clear to

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<v Speaker 2>me what kind of eyes and ears we have on

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<v Speaker 2>that right now. You just saw blinking uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>testifying before the House Committee and the investigation on that

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<v Speaker 2>debacle of a withdrawal. You have a grinding World War

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<v Speaker 2>One style warfare, a meat grinder of people in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>with the potential of nuclear escalation, and thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>actions of BBI in Israeli leadership, at least some bright

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<v Speaker 2>spot is that Hezballah has been largely defeated on their

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<v Speaker 2>back foot. Iran is in a terrible position right now,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the worst they've been since the Islamic Revolution. Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>is increasingly isolated, and now we need to bring home

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<v Speaker 2>a deal to get our to get our hostages out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a tough situation. But President Trump will clean

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<v Speaker 2>it up. He had to do this in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and we'll clean it up again

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<v Speaker 2>because he has the right instincts and the right approach.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think our intelligence community needs an overhaul? Is

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<v Speaker 1>our intelligence community up and working to the degree that

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<v Speaker 1>we would need to have the level of security in

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<v Speaker 1>a world that has the likes of Kim Jong un

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<v Speaker 1>and President Chi and Vladimir Putin and the mullas in Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think John, it needs a reprioritization. I mean literally,

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<v Speaker 2>in the global threat briefs coming from Biden's intelligence community,

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<v Speaker 2>climate change was at the top of the global threats

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<v Speaker 2>brief right, So it needs to get refocused on lethality.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop with the social justice nonsense and real work, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>better with the amazing technologies that are spinning out of

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<v Speaker 2>our private sector. And then finally, and this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is one of the most unreported headlines

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<v Speaker 2>right now in the cyber space. First there was volt Typhoon,

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<v Speaker 2>which was essentially cyber time bombs and our critical infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>that we discovered. So it's one thing to be stealing,

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<v Speaker 2>it's another thing to be spying, but it's another thing

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<v Speaker 2>to actually have the ability to destroy our water system,

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<v Speaker 2>our ports, our grids. And the response has been frankly feckless.

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<v Speaker 2>And then number two with Salt Typhoon. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>encourage you to in your listeners and viewers to really

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<v Speaker 2>look into this. I mean, this has been a massive

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<v Speaker 2>penetration of our entire telecommunications system, and we need to

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<v Speaker 2>go start going on offense when it comes to cyber.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when the Soviets were building up their missiles

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen fifties, we didn't try to build the

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<v Speaker 2>most perfect defense. We created a doctrine and theory of

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<v Speaker 2>mutually assured destruction that kept the peace for the next

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<v Speaker 2>seventy years. We need to take a hard look at

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<v Speaker 2>that a both cyber and space, because in every war game,

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<v Speaker 2>the first shots are fired in cyber and in space,

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<v Speaker 2>and often it's checkmate because it's destroying our entire fabric

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<v Speaker 2>of our economy, and so we need to establish the

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<v Speaker 2>terrens economically there too. And President Trump knows that and

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely prepared to do that. We're prepared to help

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<v Speaker 2>them do that. But I think it's just our cyber

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<v Speaker 2>and our intelligence community has got to get their legs

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<v Speaker 2>back underneath them. Our enemies bullets and our enemies spies

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<v Speaker 2>aren't worried about race, gender, you know, economic background, or

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. They're just focused on whether we're America or

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<v Speaker 2>we're not. And they do not mean us well. And

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<v Speaker 2>we need to take that same attitude with our adversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me ask you about the spy below. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the drones, I should call them and.

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<v Speaker 4>All of this.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it possible? The first sighting was November the eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>They have all these drones flying over the state of

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<v Speaker 1>New Joysy of all places, and over key installations is

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<v Speaker 1>the electric grid and power stations and military installations. They're

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a bus and they sound like a

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<v Speaker 1>Harley in terms of how loud they are. They're flying

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<v Speaker 1>at low altitudes. People are seeing them every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>There are fifty sightings and one day on Sunday. They've

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<v Speaker 1>known about it since the eighteenth and there's not one

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<v Speaker 1>person in our government that can tell us a single

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<v Speaker 1>thing about these massive drones. They don't know where they

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<v Speaker 1>originate from. They don't know who's manning them. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if they're surveilling. They don't know if they have

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<v Speaker 1>a payload on it. They don't know a thing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it possible that that's the case. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>either they're lying to us, which I believe is a possibility,

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<v Speaker 1>or they don't know, And frankly both are bad.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so Sean.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's pointing out both a cultural problem, a

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<v Speaker 2>leadership problem, and a technical problem. The cultural and leadership

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<v Speaker 2>problem is everybody, you know, DHS is pointing the finger,

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<v Speaker 2>FBI's pointing the finger, the Department Offensus pointing the finger.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know, you know, where President Biden is. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not reflective of where our priorities should be,

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<v Speaker 2>which is defending the homeland.

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<v Speaker 4>First.

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<v Speaker 2>We have all these capabilities and sensors all over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't seem to have them really focused on our borders,

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<v Speaker 2>our sovereignty, our homeland. And that's really what President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is getting at when he's talking about an iron dome

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<v Speaker 2>over the United States of America. The technical problem is

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<v Speaker 2>we still have cold where era kind of sensors. They're

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<v Speaker 2>great at detecting if we've got Russian or Chinese bombers

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<v Speaker 2>coming near our airspace. They're great at out there finding submarines.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to these small drones that fly very low,

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<v Speaker 2>or when it comes to say hypersonics that fly or

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<v Speaker 2>the spy balloon that flies in between where say a

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<v Speaker 2>bomber would be and then a ballistic missile up in space,

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<v Speaker 2>those in between layers we need to invest in and

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot better in so it's a cultural problem,

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on the homeland. It's a technical problem. And when

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump says we're going to create an iron dome

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<v Speaker 2>from space all the way to the ground to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure this stuff can't happen, that's what you mean.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what we're going to implement.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, take a quick break. We'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>more with Congressman Mike Waltz, soon to be a national

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<v Speaker 1>security advisor. We'll get to your calls on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we continue with the soon to be National

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<v Speaker 1>security advisor, Congressman Mike Waltz of my free state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the news broke today the Biden commuted the

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<v Speaker 1>sentences of three Chinese nationals as his term is drawing

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<v Speaker 1>to an end. Among the charge charges possession of child pornography,

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<v Speaker 1>plotting to old trade secrets, espionage on behalf of China. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>why does my mind go to the the what's app message?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here with my father and to the one

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<v Speaker 1>of the one of the CEOs of that energy conglomerate

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<v Speaker 1>out of China CEFC, and between all everybody, he knows

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<v Speaker 1>my ability to hold the grudge. You're going to regret

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<v Speaker 1>not doing what you said you'd do, and then millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars transferred to Hunter Biden. Uh, why does my

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<v Speaker 1>mind go there? Is that just a suspicious mind from

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that grew up in a very cynical place called

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<v Speaker 1>New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, we No, it's not. It's not a suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theory mind there Sean. It goes to all of

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence that that Jamie Comer and the Oversight Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>that Jim Jordans, you know, everything that we've uncovered the

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<v Speaker 2>last two years. And it's it's far even deeper that

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<v Speaker 2>it's minds in Africa that have critical minerals that Hunter facilitated.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just left right and center selling America out

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<v Speaker 2>to our greatest adversary. I just that with the China

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<v Speaker 2>Select Committee, the chairman and ranking member, and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what do I think they should be focused on?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I think they should be focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>state level, the local level, the county level. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the levels of Chinese penetration in our society is it

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<v Speaker 2>was horrific with the sun of a sitting president, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is at every level, from our farmland

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<v Speaker 2>to our factories, to our minds and our critical minerals.

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<v Speaker 2>They are seeking to defeat the United States as a

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<v Speaker 2>global power, but they're seeking to do it economically and

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<v Speaker 2>through natural resources as much as they're seeking to do

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<v Speaker 2>it militarily. And it's something the President knows well. He

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<v Speaker 2>shifted us to focus on China in twenty seventeen. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's really I think the American people have to appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>how deep this goes. Number one and number two for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody out there when you see, you know, made in China,

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<v Speaker 2>put it down. Made in America is not just a

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<v Speaker 2>jobs program. It is It's not about just unions or

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<v Speaker 2>what have you. It is a national security issue. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to bring those supply chains back home so that

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<v Speaker 2>they are secure. Uh. And we our greatest strength is

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<v Speaker 2>our economy in our markets, and that's what President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>will be focused on.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you're really really excited, ready to go. My

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<v Speaker 1>understanding is the Biden administration that now that they're leaving

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<v Speaker 1>and outgoing, they're not they have not been particularly helpful

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody that is assuming positions like yours. Have they

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<v Speaker 1>been helpful to you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Sean, We don't agree on a lot, But

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say the coordination has been relatively good,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to getting our people out in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East and and and closing that that down

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<v Speaker 2>on all of these other issues, we'll work on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, we discoreined.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, did you ever get a briefing on the drone issue?

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<v Speaker 1>For example?

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<v Speaker 4>I have not.

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<v Speaker 3>I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the incoming National Security Advisor might deserve such,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and I'll be back over there.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be back over there shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell him I said hello, and don't let the door

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<v Speaker 1>hit him in the ass on the way out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, But we have to be Team USA

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<v Speaker 2>from now on January twentieth. I don't want our adversaries

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<v Speaker 2>thinking this is a moment of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's a good point. I do agree with that. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate it. We wish you the best, Mike Waltz,

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<v Speaker 1>soon to be National Security Advisor. Thank you, Mold Inspired

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<v Speaker 1>Solutions for America. This is the Sean Hannity Show. By

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five till the top of the hour, eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and nine to four one Sean our number. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a part of the program. Linda will

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<v Speaker 1>confirm this. I am obsessed with cookie. I like to cook.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd prefer to cook every meal in my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>end time to cook an egg. I will make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I grill the onions perfectly. Is I put onions pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much on everything. So, now that I have chef iq

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<v Speaker 1>any under overcooking of your food, no matter how you

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<v Speaker 1>cook it, whether you're grilling, roasting, baking, broiling, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It guarantees that your pork, your steak, your chicken, your cheeseburger,

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<v Speaker 1>your fish is going to be perfect your preferred outcome

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<v Speaker 1>every single time. You can't screw it up. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>You put it in your food, You choose your desired

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<v Speaker 1>level of dunness on the chef iq app, and it

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<v Speaker 1>tells you when it's ready. So, Linda, I'm making pork ribs.

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<v Speaker 1>I make pork ribs very differently than everyone else. I

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<v Speaker 1>either grill them or I broil them. If I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like going outside and I'm lazy, but they still

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<v Speaker 1>come out the same. And I have my very special

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<v Speaker 1>way that I season them, and I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>give all the details of that now. Now, the key

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<v Speaker 1>to cooking meat, in my mind is not only the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect level of done. This with Chef i Q sense

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<v Speaker 1>helps with but you have to keep moisture in the meat.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where like something like olive or avocado oil

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<v Speaker 1>comes in place. Now here's the problem when you're cooking ribs.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go to your store and you or your

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<v Speaker 1>meat mark and you buy your ribs, they come in

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<v Speaker 1>different sizes and some are a bit thicker than others. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the good news is is I have the three pack

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thin rib or a medium rib or a

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<v Speaker 1>thick rib, I put a probe in each of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and it tells me when each one individually is done.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, how genius is this? So when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, I was broiling them, when the thinner

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<v Speaker 1>rib was done, I got an alert, pulled it out perfect, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty five degrees done. Then when Not

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<v Speaker 1>long after, when the medium sized rib was done, I

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<v Speaker 1>got an alert, Boom, that's done. Then I got the

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<v Speaker 1>third alert when the thicker rib was done. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. It's that simple, chefiq dot com, or you

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest invention ever. I asked if I can invest

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<v Speaker 1>in the company.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an amazing and amazing company, not just that they're

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<v Speaker 5>American based. They have awesome guys behind it. They're just

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<v Speaker 5>you know, they had this idea that took them years

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<v Speaker 5>to affront it.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't let me invest. I said, no, I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to invest in this company.

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<v Speaker 5>They're like two late.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they didn't give me a no. Maybe they were

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<v Speaker 1>just being polite though, all right, anyway, let me. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about what's going on with healthcare and

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to this man, and the reaction of the left

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<v Speaker 1>is unbelievable. I mean, Elizabeth Warren on the killing and

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination of the United Healthcare ceo. Well, you can

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<v Speaker 1>only push people so far. She said this on MSDNC. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>and what happens.

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<v Speaker 6>When you turn this into the billionaires run at all

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<v Speaker 6>is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and look, we'll say it over and over. Violence is

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<v Speaker 6>never the answer. This guy gets a trial who's allegedly

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<v Speaker 6>killed the CEO of United health But you can only

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<v Speaker 6>push people so far, and then they start to take

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<v Speaker 6>matters into their hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh, you can only push him so far. She's

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<v Speaker 1>rationalizing assassination because oh I don't like what Sean Hannity says,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, or I don't like what I'm watching on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't like the slow service at a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the same Does the same rule apply? You

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<v Speaker 1>can only push people so far. You can only make

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<v Speaker 1>them wait so long for a stake or a hamburger.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is insane. There are smart, creative alternatives

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<v Speaker 1>to the current healthcare system. We have discussed many of

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<v Speaker 1>them at length on this program over the years. Many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, I read a book. It was called Patient Power,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was printed by the Cato Institute about healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>savings accounts. You pay into it every year. It's tax free.

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<v Speaker 1>Your money builds up in your younger, healthier years, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you die of a heart attack, all that money

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<v Speaker 1>you save for healthcare, which is usually for later in life,

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<v Speaker 1>is available to your family. You give it to them,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise you use it. And then you couple that with

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic insurance with a high deductible. Again you'd be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take it out of your health savings account. And

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<v Speaker 1>that catastrophic care is for you know, God forbid you

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<v Speaker 1>get cancer, God forbid you have the stroke, the heart attack,

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<v Speaker 1>or God forbid you have the bad accident. There are alternatives,

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<v Speaker 1>are healthcare cooperatives, we have, you know, catastrophic care. People

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<v Speaker 1>underestimate the power of catastrophic care, but you also have

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<v Speaker 1>to know what it would provide for and anyway. For

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<v Speaker 1>years on this program we have featured doctor Josh Humber

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<v Speaker 1>and he founded a group in Wichita, Kansas called Atlas MD,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been able to duplicate that model all around

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<v Speaker 1>the country. And at the time he was charging patients

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars. You know, for unlimited care. You can go

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<v Speaker 1>to the doctor every day if you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the doctor. And they take care of most of

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<v Speaker 1>people's general health needs. You couple that with a catastrophic

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<v Speaker 1>plan for the big issues I mentioned, and you fully covered.

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<v Speaker 1>And he would negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>pay like ninety nine percent less. Amazing guy, amazing idea

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<v Speaker 1>very successful practice. Well he's now taken it to a

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<v Speaker 1>new level and he's created a new healthcare provider that

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to be a fan of. But you do

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<v Speaker 1>what you want, consult with your own doctor, see if

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<v Speaker 1>it works for you. But it's called Atlas Direct and

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, it's reinventing supplemental health insurance

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<v Speaker 1>and providing modern quality coverage. And you know there's no deductible,

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<v Speaker 1>no copays, no network restrictions, Payments go directly to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Payments can be used for any expense, fully transparent pricing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can enroll at any time. Doctor Umber. When you

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<v Speaker 1>started Atlas MD, how successful was it in Wichita.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's great to be back with you, Sean, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's exciting. When we started at LISS in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 4>this was such a new idea. People weren't used to

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<v Speaker 4>paying for health care without insurance. But it's taken off

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<v Speaker 4>in ways we could have never expected. We now have,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, over sixteen hundred doctors on our platform alone,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're just a piece of the direct care movement.

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<v Speaker 4>We helped forty five doctors open direct care practices last

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<v Speaker 4>month alone, which is more than we did in the

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<v Speaker 4>first year of helping doctors. The momentum just keeps growing

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<v Speaker 4>in all these exciting ways. Because healthcare continues to get

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<v Speaker 4>more expensive every year, people are increasingly looking for just real,

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<v Speaker 4>simple objective answers to make health care more accessible and affordable,

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<v Speaker 4>but also health insurance more affordable. You know, the national

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<v Speaker 4>average is twenty five thousand per family per year. That's

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<v Speaker 4>taking money out of the pockets of families that they

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<v Speaker 4>need for credit card debt or loans or preparing for

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<v Speaker 4>college or retirement. I think it's hit that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>tipping point. They're ready for common sense solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>How important can a catastrophic plan, the right catastrophic plan

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<v Speaker 1>be for people's overall healthcare strategies Because people are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for answers alternatives so that they don't have the gaps

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<v Speaker 1>and coverage, they don't have fights with insurance companies because

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, some of these companies are are awful,

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<v Speaker 1>and people have every right to be angry. They think

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<v Speaker 1>they're covered, they're not covered. So what is what is

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<v Speaker 1>the best alternative for the average person.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you have to remember that health insurance is

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<v Speaker 4>really financial insurance. It's to protect us in case of

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<v Speaker 4>big events, and thankfully, those big events are rare. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you have an insurance that is smarter, more direct,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually pays the true cost of care, it goes

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<v Speaker 4>directly to the patient, doesn't reward the system for these inflated,

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<v Speaker 4>outrageous bills. Get you get back to a really affordable solution.

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<v Speaker 4>Right model, and the thirteen states were approved. In a

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<v Speaker 4>family for under forty five would be under four fifty

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<v Speaker 4>a months. If the national average is north is two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand a month. How much does you know five hundred,

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars saved every month help

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<v Speaker 4>the average family, Right? That's that's real money for regular America.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're just tired of throwing their money at insurance

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<v Speaker 4>and not getting anything back. That's why it's so important

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<v Speaker 4>that in the right model, the money goes back to

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<v Speaker 4>the patient, not the system.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's we no tell me, tell me exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>your because Atlas MD was. If you lived in Wichita,

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<v Speaker 1>you sign up for Atlas MD was fifty bucks a month,

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<v Speaker 1>ten bucks for every kid, unlimited visits. And what would

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<v Speaker 1>you take care of in your office? You could see

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<v Speaker 1>you'd get medical attention, you know, concierge care twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day if you needed it.

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<v Speaker 4>Bim medison, yeaes, stitches, biopsies, injections, procedures, meds as much

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<v Speaker 4>as we could. We were incentivized too.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened two people when they got the cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>the heart attack, stroke, or bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Accident, Well, we at least post a pretty Affordable Care Act.

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<v Speaker 4>We had really great options for customizing insurance through different brokers.

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<v Speaker 4>Post Affordable Care Act, most of that went away, and

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<v Speaker 4>the best thing you could do would be work with

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<v Speaker 4>small businesses who had a bit more flexibility in their

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<v Speaker 4>insurance model to save ten, twenty thirty percent, but never

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<v Speaker 4>really got back to a common sense insurance model really

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<v Speaker 4>like car insurance, home insurance, life insurance, where the payment

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<v Speaker 4>goes back to the customer, not into the system. And

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<v Speaker 4>because of that you have so many middleman brokers, agents, hospitals,

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<v Speaker 4>all these other reasons for inflating the price, so that

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<v Speaker 4>ends up making it unaffordable. We feel like we've tried

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<v Speaker 4>to answer the healthcare solution in bite sized steps. First

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<v Speaker 4>it was primary care, which most people think isn't the

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<v Speaker 4>place to start, but we touch everything. So once you

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<v Speaker 4>have unlimited access, no copays, free telemedicine, free procedures you've

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<v Speaker 4>joked with you for years. Ekg's cost me thirty six cents.

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<v Speaker 4>The coffee in the waiting room costs seventy cents a cup.

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<v Speaker 4>So why are we using insurance for these types of things?

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<v Speaker 4>And then that normal progression of wholesale meds, wholesale labs,

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<v Speaker 4>doctor to doctor, teleconsults for thirty dollars, MRIs for three hundred,

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<v Speaker 4>cts for two hundred. What you realize is the imperson

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<v Speaker 4>new clothes. We expected insurance to lower the price of things,

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<v Speaker 4>and it probably used to, but it hasn't for a

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<v Speaker 4>very long time. And now the cash price of things

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<v Speaker 4>is faster, simpler, easier, and more affordable than trying to

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<v Speaker 4>go through this big, complicated bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think quick break, we'llcome back more. With doctor Josh

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<v Speaker 1>umber Of at Liss Direct. There are alternatives to traditional

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare insurance policies, and we're learning about it. We continue

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<v Speaker 1>now with our friend doctor Josh Umber. He is with

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<v Speaker 1>Atlas Direct, an alternative health insurance solution. Many people rightly

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<v Speaker 1>unhappy with their current insurance policies, and he's giving you

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<v Speaker 1>an education on alternatives that are smart ways you can

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<v Speaker 1>save money and improve the quality of your care. So

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask you the question, because there are people

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<v Speaker 1>in all fifty states that listen to this show, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to and this is two minutes for you

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<v Speaker 1>to give the answer. What do you recommend for the

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<v Speaker 1>average person that they would be fully covered under any

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<v Speaker 1>scenario that they that they might encounter health wise in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. What is your best recommendation?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, sir, the states that we're in, it's get yourself

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<v Speaker 4>a direct primary care physician and then combine that with

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<v Speaker 4>the most affordable insurance you can find, whether that's Atlas

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<v Speaker 4>Direct or something else. In all the other states that

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<v Speaker 4>we hope to come to, it's the same thing, but

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<v Speaker 4>your best option is likely through your employer and letting

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<v Speaker 4>your employer know you'd rather decrease the insurance premiums and

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<v Speaker 4>work with your direct care doctor to absorb the difference, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because and how do you know that everything's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be covered and you get to go to the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>you want.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good question. At least with direct care you're

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<v Speaker 4>getting to choose the doctor you want and you're an

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<v Speaker 4>empowered consumer now. And the damage that people are experiencing

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<v Speaker 4>on the front end every mind.

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<v Speaker 1>What if it's cancer treatment that goes on for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>and do you run out of money at any point?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, depending on the insurance model, ours is renewable every

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<v Speaker 4>year for those types of situations, and that's the tough thing.

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<v Speaker 4>What risk do you cover? And so the individualized answer

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<v Speaker 4>ends up being, you know, do you want to cover

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<v Speaker 4>a point oho percent risk but then have less money

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<v Speaker 4>every month? So threading the impossible needles kind of how

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<v Speaker 4>we look at that. But even Medicare doesn't cover everything, right,

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<v Speaker 4>we had to get insurance license, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>funny being the non insurance guys. Medicare has a blood deductible.

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<v Speaker 4>Medicare doesn't the three first three pints of blood. So

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<v Speaker 4>everything's got a place where it doesn't cover. Working with

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<v Speaker 4>you know, good insurance, peopulltipate.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, this is this is a good primer or this

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<v Speaker 1>is a good preliminary discussion, but we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing discussion because I think people, especially at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the new year, they're going to maybe update

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<v Speaker 1>their insurance with their employer or whatever. If people want

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<v Speaker 1>to get in touch with your company and find out more,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they do it.

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<v Speaker 4>The website's the best place to go. It's at list

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<v Speaker 4>dot direct, www. Dot Atlas direct, the email Hello at

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<v Speaker 4>Atlas Direct. We have live chats, phone number, email, We're

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<v Speaker 4>happy to help wherever you're at.

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<v Speaker 1>Then and people can ask questions how much would it

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<v Speaker 1>cost for full insurance, you know, cradle to grave, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can give them that answer, or if they want,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to pay less a month, you can give

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<v Speaker 1>them the next best option and then the next best.

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<v Speaker 4>Option, right, yeah, it's one. It's based on age and

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<v Speaker 4>gender only and the state you live in, so right

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<v Speaker 4>now that the states were approved in are all the

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<v Speaker 4>same price, so you can you don't even have to

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<v Speaker 4>put in any information. You can go and look and

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<v Speaker 4>then see if you qualify. So we tried to make

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<v Speaker 4>it as absolutely simple and customer friendly as possible, the

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<v Speaker 4>way insurance should be. Put the people back in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we appreciate it, doctor josh Umber, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred nine one shown is on number you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of the program.