1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, luck and load. So Michael 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Verie Show is. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: On the air. 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: you had potted the audio down or not. I want 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to simplify 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: for an audience and make this all make sense because 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet. 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to clear up what I 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: may have misstated at the end of that segment. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So between March and twenty twenty two and when 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 3: our story came out May of twenty twenty three, they 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: had been continuing or related interventions. Because in March twenty 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: twenty two they had said they stopped I equivalently, they 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: had said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth. 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: illegal to perform these interventions. And then you know, I 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: think maybe ten fifteen days after that was when the 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: seal of the hospital said that they would shut down 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: their program. So, you know, because after that I had 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: graduated from the program. You know, according to them, they 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: had shut down the program after that, So I would 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: take them for their word. And just because I don't 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: have any I couldn't say that they had continued it. 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: They had said they stopped. So you know, if they 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: said that, then you know, I don't have any information 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: that would counter that. 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours. 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: You were a young surgeon. It's a tough. You know, 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: the early part of a doctor's career is brutal. I mean, 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: they're legendary. When you would see these children, I mean, 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: did you ever see a child that was being wheeled 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: in to have this gender reassignment, to have a sex change, 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: or a child coming out of that. I got to 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: think that if you see something like that, it's like 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: a it's like being a war report. You never you 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: never get over that. 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 3: No, you know, I had never seen it, because if 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: I did, you know, it's it's something that you know, 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't just stand by and watch it happen. But 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: you know, I knew people who did, and you know 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: they had told me about it after and you had 47 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: to expressed shock as to the nature of what was happening. 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how many doctors were performing 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: this procedure? 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: I think it was a small number. Small number. 51 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer, 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: but I'm going to ask it. How does a doctor 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: end up being in a position of butchering a child? 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: Like? 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: What's going through that person's mind? I mean, we most 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: people recognize that you don't let children start smoking, you 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: don't let children vote, you don't let children get tattoos. 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: You don't let children consent to sex because they're not 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: capable of they've not reached the age of maturity. They 60 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: are miners, their brains are developing, and here is as 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: permanent a thing as you can possibly impose upon them. 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: heard people answer this question? 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: You know it's I believe it has to do with 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: this underlying ideology. Right, people they want to have meaning 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: in their life, but they don't want to make the 67 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: effort to do anything meaningful, Like they want to be righteous, 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: but they don't want to exert the effort to be virtuous, 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: you know. And what happens with this is that it's 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: you know, a shortcut to me so they can do 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: something and do something that that's not true and give 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: themselves that false sense of righteousness. But it's happening at 73 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: the cost of these children. And that's where, you know, 74 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: there's this connection between this and all these other issues 75 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 3: we're seeing in our society because you have these people 76 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: who are you praying at these ideological altars for whatever 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: phony caused, but they're doing so because they have no 78 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: meaning in their life and they're looking for it, but 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: they're looking in all the wrong places. And instead of 80 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: you know, standing up to something powerful, they're just you know, 81 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: playing their role in this kabuki theater that is, you know, 82 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: this modern phenomenon of the woke left. 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to read from a line from one of 84 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: the articles about you. It says, I am continued to 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: hear stories from other residents, that's other young doctors like yourself, 86 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: and then came across a public quote Grand rounds end 87 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: quote presentation by top doctors at the hospital encouraging the 88 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. The lecture coached 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: primary care doctors how to funnel patients into the transgender 90 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: clinic where they could receive treatment. Tell me a little 91 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: bit about that. 92 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: Well, it's the important thing is the Grand round Leischer 93 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: is one of the most prestigious leisure theories given in 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: the hospital. And when you have the directors of the 95 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: program who are talking about integrating this algorithm into other 96 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: parts of the hospital and teaching doctors how to ask 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: these questions behind the parents' backs, it's something that's truly shocking, 98 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: and because that's what they were talking about, and you 99 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: almost can't believe it's real. But when you see what's 100 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: your own eyes and you understand it's happening at the 101 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: hospital you're working at, you you couldn't. I couldn't live 102 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: with myself if you know I didn't didn't do something 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: about it. So I did? 104 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: And what does that include? I mean in your mind, 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: you're certain you've done nothing wrong. You've said that in 106 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: every in every article I I've seen written there their 107 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: claim is that you have you have violated I guess, hippo, 108 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: you violated the But what is their claim? 109 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: You know? Uh? I honestly wish I could answer that question, 110 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 3: because at this point I have no idea, really no idea, 111 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: because that hasn't been something that's been communicated. If I 112 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: were to guess, right, because I want to answer your question, 113 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: I would think it is something along those lines. That's 114 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: what I would think, because I know that the reason 115 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: they had pursued. My belief is that the reason they 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: pursue this aggressive investigation so quick after the story came 117 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 3: out is because we were so successful in exposing what 118 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: happens and it being voted to become illegal. Because when 119 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: you have doctors and nurses who are willing to speak 120 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: out and tell the truth, then all of these things, 121 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: that these false, absurd practices that they are pursuing will 122 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: be questioned and it's all going to crumble down. And 123 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: in order for them to silence those doctors and nurses, 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: they have to come after people like me. But in 125 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: this case, they just chose the wrong target. But yeah, 126 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: in my opinion, that's probably what I would think. But 127 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: even to that, what could they possibly do. It's crazy. 128 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: It's hard to believe that you would have serious people 129 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: who consider themselves part of the justice system do something 130 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: like this because what we exposed was votes to become illegal, right, 131 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: and they're going after the whistleblower who made who told 132 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: the truth when the hospital was lying to the public. 133 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Aton hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's 134 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: the whistleblower, h doctor in the Texas Children's Hospital sex 135 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: change story. Now the Feds are trying to destroy his life. 136 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk about doing him coming up. Doctor Aton times, 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: our guests. He is the whistleblower in the Texas Children's 138 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Hospital case where he was a resident on staff and 139 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: he went to Chris Rufo, Uh, this great journalist, and said, hey, 140 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Texas Children's Hospital says they're not performing sex changes on children, 141 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: but they are. I know it. I'm a surgeon here, 142 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: I know what they're doing. And Rufo wrote a piece 143 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: and the Texas legislature a few days later passed Senate 144 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Bill fourteen, which officially banned transgender procedures for minors. You know, 145 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: we talked earlier about this, and it has been widely 146 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: written that Rufo's piece is what turned a lot of 147 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: even Democrats into, Hey, we can't have this. We've got 148 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: to pass a state law. What about the details of 149 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: what Rufo wrote and what you disclosed, do you think 150 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: bothered people most that they said, we've got to make 151 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: this illegal. 152 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening. 153 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: All we had exposed, We had made public what these 154 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: people were advocating for publicly in their lectures and conferences, 155 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: and that's it. By making that public that was enough 156 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: to garner bipartisan support in order to make this illegal. 157 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: So if these people were doing the same thing today 158 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: as they were, then right, that would be illegal. So 159 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: I think it's it's the shocking nature in terms of 160 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: that it was being done to such young children, and 161 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: people inherently know what this is doing to these kids, 162 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: and they don't want it happening in their state. 163 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and 164 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: then what happened? 165 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had graduated, and these federal agents had 166 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: come to my apartment, and you know, over the next 167 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: couple of months, you know, I came to a conclusion 168 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: that this is an investigation being pursued for political and 169 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: ideological reasons, and if I'm the target of an investigation 170 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: like this, there's no chance for me to survive it 171 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: by staying silent, because that's where these people operate most effectively. Right, 172 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: because that's that's where they can you know, intimidate you, 173 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 3: where they can scare you into, you know, trying to 174 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: concede to something that never happens. And I refuse to 175 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: bend to me and let that happen, because if I 176 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: don't stand up, Now, what kind of country will I 177 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: deliver to my future children or other generations or other kids? Like, 178 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: if you have a child, how proud would you be 179 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: if they went to medical school and became a surgeon? 180 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: But like, you don't want them living in a world 181 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: where if they do the right thing and expose something 182 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: hainous that's happening that federal agents are going to come 183 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: to their house on the day they graduate. Right. So 184 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 3: even though there was a lot on the line from me, 185 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: I was just starting my career, when you think about 186 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: the calculus in those terms, then you know it's really 187 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 3: not that big of a deal. Of course I had 188 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: to do this. There was there was no option, you know, 189 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: whatever the consequences are I have. You know, this has 190 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: to be done and no matter the challenges, it's it's 191 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: you know, will fight until then there's no stopping. 192 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: And so what is your professional status right now? What 193 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: are you you. 194 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: You know, I started my I'm a you know, I 195 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: started my practice in a small town outside of Dallas, 196 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: and it's an amazing job. I work with some of 197 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: the best people. It's a very small town. And you know, 198 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: I won't speak for the hospital, just say that I 199 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: work with really, really, really good people. So you know, 200 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: I just did a case this morning, you know, operating today, 201 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: and you know, got a couple of cases next week 202 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: doing clinic. So I'm just continuing on as usual because 203 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I got to take care of my family. 204 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: And of course, well and it's your ministry. I mean, 205 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: look at you don't do this isn't just a job. 206 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: I tell people, you know, when I was growing up, 207 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: my parents wanted me to be a doctor. I had 208 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: no interest, but you know that was all they knew 209 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: as to how you get rich as you become a doctor. 210 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: And I tell my wife's Indians, so we have a 211 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: lot of doctors in our family, a lot all her 212 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: relatives are doctors. And I say, the per hour earnings 213 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: of a doctor are not very high, particularly when you 214 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: factor in how long you have to go to school 215 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: and all that. And it's a brutal, brutal life it's 216 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: a calling, it's a ministry, it's it's something you only 217 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: do if you're deeply passionate about it, and obviously you are. 218 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that is worth noting. 219 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: And I tell you it would have been much easier 220 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: for you to simply turn a blind eye to what 221 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: you knew was going on. This wasn't a path to riches. 222 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: This did not professionally aid you. It endangered your career, 223 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: and now it's put you in legal jeopardy where you 224 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: know you're under federal investigation and harassment as a result 225 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: of all this. You could have done what probably a 226 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: lot of other people just like you, similarly situated at 227 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Texas children did and look the other way. But you 228 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: chose not to, and I think that's remarkable. 229 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: You know, I would have to crush you on one 230 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: thing because you say it would be easy right to 231 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: just you know, turn the other cheek, and you know 232 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: I would disagree with that because if I did just 233 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: do nothing about it, right, you carry that weight every 234 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: single day and at some point, you know, the people 235 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: in your life, your kids are going to ask you. 236 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: You know you were you were there when this was happening, 237 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: Like what you do about it. And if your answer 238 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: is nothing, I mean that's a hard thing to do. 239 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: So for me, this was this was the easy thing, right. 240 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: It's things silent that would have been more difficult. Yeah. 241 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: And you know, and when other doctors and nurses, when 242 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: they should understand that, because when you allow yourself to 243 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: be degraded, right, when you give up your dignity, you 244 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: have to live with that every single day and that 245 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: will eat away you. Because once you get to the 246 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: other side, if you stand up, you do the right thing, 247 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: you maintain your dignity. There's this other world where you 248 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: have millions and millions of people who are willing to 249 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: get by your side and do the right thing. And 250 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: it might be frightening at first, but as someone who's 251 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: living it right, I'm on the other side and the 252 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: grass is way greener on this side than staying something 253 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: living in this darkness, because that's how I felt before. 254 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: But that's the truth, and you know, it's already happening. 255 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: It's already happening now. 256 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: I have a deep level of respect and admiration for 257 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: you for being willing to do this, because the path 258 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: of least resistance and the path that most would follow 259 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: is simply to look the other way and keep moving. 260 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: And you took this burden upon yourself and obviously have 261 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: made your life a lot harder because of it. Because 262 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, and the right thing 263 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: to do matters. And you saw something and you did something, 264 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: and you know, doing the right thing is often not 265 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: going to get a parade in your honor. Many times 266 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: people hate the person who does the right thing. Who 267 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: would have known a surgeon on a surgeon who was 268 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: a resident at Texas Children's Hospital would be put into 269 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: a situation where you could make a dramatic I mean 270 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: a state law was changed largely because of what you 271 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: were willing to expose. That didn't make you popular with 272 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: the Texas Children's Hospital team, and they're a very influential 273 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: hospital system. So the fact that you were willing to 274 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: do this, I think is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Hold with 275 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: me just one more moment, Aton aton Heim. 276 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Barry wouldn't change black in the system lack 277 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: of modern day. 278 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 4: Robin General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people 279 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: who performed transgender procedures on minors. 280 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new. 281 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 5: It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if 282 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 5: the person wants it harm. 283 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: He says, that's often permanent. 284 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: They have to give up something that they have no 285 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 5: concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having 286 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 5: a family in the future. 287 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were 288 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon, 289 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: a staunch proponent. However, Haines said he discovered the procedures 290 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: were still taking place. 291 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 5: There were a few residents who I knew who said 292 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 5: that they had just finished implanting a perie blocking device 293 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 5: in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they 294 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 5: were transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which were 295 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 5: being unaddressed. 296 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records, to reporter Chris 297 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 4: Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on. 298 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 5: The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about 299 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 5: a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young confused 300 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 5: ils some children. 301 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: Ayton him is our guest doctor Ayton him He is 302 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: the whistleblower who was a resident at Texas Children's Hospital 303 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: who blew the whistle that was the subject of the 304 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: article that changed state laws so that Texas Children's Hospital 305 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: so that it would be legal in the state of 306 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Texas to change the sex of a child. They're just 307 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: not ready for that. And now the Feds are coming 308 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: down and attacking him and trying to ruin his life 309 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: for being the whistleblower. That's why you have whistleblower protections, 310 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: by the way, folks, because the person who exposes the bat. 311 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: We wonder why Nazis got away with it because people 312 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: that saw what was going on didn't want to speak out. 313 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: That was also true in Russia. That was also true 314 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: at Run. That was also you can go on in 315 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: world Come. You can go on and on and on 316 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: crimes that occur, bad Epstein, bad things that happened. Because 317 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: no one wants to be the one who says, hey, guys, 318 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: us I saw what's happening over there and it's really 319 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: bad because you're the one that's going to be attacked 320 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: because bad people are going to cover for themselves. So 321 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: is this an ongoing investigation? I mean, what what is 322 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: the status? What is your status? And with with regard 323 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: to this, obviously they're trying to intimidate you and harass you. 324 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: M hm. So yeah, it's it's ongoing, so we don't 325 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: know where it's going to go. But uh, you know, 326 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: I think that the easiest way to approach these kind 327 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: of situations is just to tell the truth. And that's 328 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing. This is what's happening. And uh uh, 329 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: let the cards, you know, let's the lets the piece 330 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: as fall as they may. You know, we're gonna just 331 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: take it head on and that's it, you know, because 332 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: we know that there's so many people out there who 333 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 3: are finally coming to understand what's happening with this country 334 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: and understanding that the risks involved if we do nothing, 335 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: because if we if we don't do anything, now, I mean, 336 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: it's that's not right. We have to. 337 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: Your wife, you know, I was a public figure as 338 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: an elected official and now as a guy who talks 339 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: on the radio for well over for almost twenty five years. 340 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: And my wife's no shrinking Violet. She was Secretary of 341 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: State of the State of Texas. Can she can during 342 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: a time during the time of our election law, our 343 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: election integrity law, and she went around the state explaining 344 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: the law to people who thought it was it was 345 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: intended to suppress votes and explaining to them that it 346 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: wasn't and winning over a lot of people. But I've 347 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: always said it's harder on her than me, because the 348 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: spouse suffers more than the person in public life, because 349 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: they have to suffer quietly. How has your wife done with. 350 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: All of this? Yeah, I mean she's the strongest person 351 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, and we're closer now than we've ever been. 352 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment where she said, honey, I 353 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: love you, I admire you. But but couldn't you have 354 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: just looked the other way? Or did she know that 355 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: that's just not in your makeup? 356 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: The latter. 357 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: And your colleagues, you know, you have all these folks 358 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you went to med school with, the folks who went 359 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: to college with, the folks who went to high school with. 360 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, your story is getting a lot of attention 361 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: across the country. It's it's a lightning rod of a case. 362 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: What are people saying to you? 363 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just outpouring of support. Of course. You know, 364 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: I know for a fact that there are tons of 365 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: people who strongly disagree. Probably I think I should be 366 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: in prison for the rest of my life. You know, 367 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: of course, who are not reaching out to me, So 368 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: I know that there are a lot of those, and 369 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: that the people who are reaching out to me, it's 370 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: kind of a sampling bias. So but yeah, I mean 371 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 3: it's just, you know, a huge amount support. I've only 372 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: got one hate email, so for I think that's pretty good. 373 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: You know, one Mere article which I thought was brilliant 374 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: because they included my favorite quote in the article, which 375 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: was about it was in the interview with Chris Ruffo. 376 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: I said that, you know, I wouldn't let Anthony Fauci 377 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: take care of my goldfish, which, for the record, I 378 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 3: would still not let him take care of my goldfish. 379 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: So well, I am reminded of. Speaking of great quotes, 380 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: I am reminded by one of my absolute favorite quotes, 381 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: and it's by Winston Churchill, and he said, you have enemies. Good. 382 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life. 383 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: And you have stood up for something sometime in your life. 384 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Did you have any did you was this an issue 385 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: that simply presented itself at the medical institution where you 386 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: were a resident, or was this something that you had 387 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: written about, talked about, thought about, spoken about, learned about previously. 388 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: Was this your hot button issue or was just something 389 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: you you witness and you had to do something about it. 390 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: No, it was just something that was emerging in the 391 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: post twenty twenty era. It was things were getting crazier. 392 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: You know, the medical profession was adopting these ideas and 393 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: practices that were not consistent with the principles that had 394 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: been guiding our profession for generations. And the more you 395 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 3: see it, the more you can't believe it's happening. But 396 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: then the more you see it, the more you acknowledge 397 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: that's real and that there's no way it's going to 398 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: change unless you do something about it. So, yeah, it's 399 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: not one of those things that's like one day it's 400 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: like all right, yeah, like I gotta do this. This 401 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: was something that kind of had been percolating over the 402 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: course of months years, because every day you have these 403 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: small experiences and it's just one thing after the other, 404 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: and it leads you to that ultimate question, well, am 405 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: I just going to with this or am I going 406 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: to do the right thing? And then you know, I 407 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: had decided I need to do something about it, because 408 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, I was not made to be on radio shows, 409 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 3: right like that was there, was made to work in 410 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: a hospital. You know, I don't even have social media, right, 411 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 3: but it's like, I mean, I kind of have to now, 412 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: But it was never my intention. I mean, yeah, I'm 413 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 3: a We're like private people. We live in a very 414 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: small down you know, we you know our next rour neighbors. 415 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: You know, we drink beers in their driveway and do 416 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: country karaoke in their garage. I mean, you know, this 417 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: is not something that we would ever think we would 418 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 3: ever do. 419 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: What kind of nice Jewish boy from Florida does country karaoke? 420 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: You're meant to be intech? 421 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: I love it? Yeah, yeah, I love country. Big fan. 422 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character. 423 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: Aton time is our guest. I have just a few 424 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with 425 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: me for one more segment, we will have more with 426 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: him if you have. If you've not yet read the 427 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now 428 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: the Feds are trying to destroy his life, it is 429 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that 430 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: this man was willing, especially young in his career, to 431 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: be willing to do this go read the story. It's 432 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: quite interesting. 433 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: More love Disney productions The Love Bug, Dean Joes as 434 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: has been race driver Michael Barry funny Hacker. That's Ramon 435 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: the King of Dean suggested for general audiences as. 436 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: On time is our guest. He was a young resident 437 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said, 438 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas 439 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the 440 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: sex changes on children. And a year later he realized 441 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: they were doing it. So he was the whistleblower and 442 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Chris Ruffo wrote the story and the story a couple 443 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill, 444 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes. 445 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be 446 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: able to change back. You're messing these kids up. And 447 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: now the Feds are trying to destroy his life because 448 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: he dared share the facts, which you know, they claimed 449 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had the 450 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had to 451 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: you've had to prepare for what could be something really 452 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: nasty against you and the weight of the federal government 453 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: against you. 454 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand, 455 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: because we have to fight this because if this is 456 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: allowed to stand, if with flowers like me can be silenced, 457 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: then hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever they want, 458 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: and any doctor or nurse who speaks out and says 459 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: something will be targeted by the federal of Ivant. But 460 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: we have to make sure that does not happen. So 461 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: we have to fight it, and we're going to do 462 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: it tooth and nail. 463 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: So I don't expect you to be an expert on 464 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion, 465 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital 466 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: where you were a resident. In your mind, what should 467 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: happen if a child does legitimately feel that they are 468 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: a girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa. 469 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: What should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know, 470 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes 471 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: their decision what they do. And they're very different at 472 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: eighteen than they are at nine or ten. But I'm 473 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: sure you have some thoughts on that. 474 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 3: Well. I would say that in both children and adults, 475 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 3: I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor, 476 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology. 477 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: So we are created, whether you believe it is God 478 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 3: or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms, 479 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 3: you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally 480 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick 481 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not 482 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's 483 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: like what I would classify a disease pathology. So that's 484 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: where you have a doctor, you know, prescribe interventions to 485 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: get you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this 486 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: is doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health, 487 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: naturally occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state 488 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: of disease. And you might have the perception of short 489 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable 490 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: to live something that is not true. And that's why 491 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: in both children and adults it should not be done. 492 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: Because if someone would comes to my client and say, 493 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: you know, I feel like you know, I was not 494 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: born to have eyes, so you know, I need affirmation 495 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: that I will be happy without eyes. We would never 496 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: in a million years do that because you're you're you 497 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: would be destroying the natural occurring physiology, which is the 498 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: natural goal of the physician. And these were these are 499 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: not my ideas. I mean, these are just this was 500 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: something that was written about by Aristotle, and and you 501 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: know he had written a lot about a lot, but 502 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: I mean some of his best work was about the 503 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know, 504 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: our modern conception of medicine is based on that because 505 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology. 506 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: I can only read from the article. We can't litigate 507 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: the case here. But one of the things that was 508 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: a point that was made in your defense is that 509 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that 510 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that 511 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't 512 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: reveal this having happened based on it having happened, then 513 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit 514 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: crimes and nobody would be able to stop them. Because 515 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to 516 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws. 517 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: So what they're trying to say is a hospital can 518 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: get away with whatever they want because if if a 519 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him. 520 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right, And. 521 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: That's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right, 522 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: you know, they they have these laws they and it's 523 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: also where the process is the punishment right where you know, 524 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: yet they don't have anything right, It's like there's there's 525 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: nothing they can do right where it's uh that would 526 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: actually be included in this. But the reason they do 527 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: it is because the process is a punishment. That's how 528 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: you disincentivez of people telling the truth in these situations. 529 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a 530 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: line I often use, whether it's the I R. S. 531 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal 532 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: agency goes in and investigates someone, or any agency goes 533 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: in and puts someone under an investigation that in and 534 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: of itself is a living hell, and it's tough. It is. 535 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: It is tough on that person. So whether they end 536 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: up convicting uh you know, at the end or not, 537 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence, 538 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: you lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your 539 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: time and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things, 540 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: You're going to hearings, You're you're you're preparing documents. I mean, 541 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right, 542 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as 543 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they 544 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a 545 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal. 546 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: I must say, Aton Him, thank you very much for 547 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank you 548 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: on behalf of a lot of children who will benefit 549 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: from what you've done. Thank you for being willing to 550 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: speak out and be a whistle blower and and put 551 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: yourself through this living hell. We need more Aton Hims. 552 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Your your mother should be very proud of you. That's 553 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll conclude it. 554 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: I appreciate you, sir, thank you, And do you mind 555 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: if I add one more thing? You know we we 556 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: are we have a Gifts and Go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore, 557 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: whistleblower and you know any support would you know? It 558 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: means more than words can describe. 559 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: So how do we do that? 560 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: You go to give sense go and then you know 561 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which is like the lower line. 562 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: You know, I got to shift and then something and 563 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 3: then whistleblower. But that's or if you just hype in 564 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: my name, I'm sure you to find it on Twitter. 565 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: H I am. If someone wants to help you, they're 566 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: going to be able to find you. I'm having trouble 567 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: with my computer right now, but yes, and I will 568 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: announce set it again next week. Thank you, doctor him, 569 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir 570 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: M