Speaker 1: Nollian.
Speaker 2: All right, Roy, we are back today. We are joined
Speaker 2: by a very special, very talented guest. I got a
Speaker 2: beef to pick with you, but I'm gonna pick that
Speaker 2: beef with you after. I guess we shouldn't argue, we
Speaker 2: shouldn't fight in front of company. But you should have.
Speaker 2: You should have sent me this project the day the
Speaker 2: night it dropped, I talked about it. But you know
Speaker 2: I have ADHD, so you're supposed to like, no, no,
Speaker 2: stop what you're doing and play this project. Today we
Speaker 2: were joined by another d m V. We just talking
Speaker 2: about the DMV, yes, and it being like you just
Speaker 2: a hub for extreme talent a d m V. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say he's a legend. I d K is in
Speaker 2: the building. Ladies, Well, there's no ladies and gentlemen. Yes,
Speaker 2: we never have ladies in the building. How you feeling man?
Speaker 2: We never have podcast? What podcast world is? We have
Speaker 2: ladies in the building, like you got you gotta fix that?
Speaker 2: Well we got we have some ladies sometimes coming in
Speaker 2: next time. Yeah, bring some ladies.
Speaker 1: How you feeling, man, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2: So E t d S right. But before we get there,
Speaker 2: because I was reading up on you obviously been following
Speaker 2: you for a while, but listening to this project et
Speaker 2: ds uh even the Devil Smiles available now DSPs. If
Speaker 2: you haven't heard this, it's one of the best projects
Speaker 2: that you're probably going to hear in the last ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen years. Without a doubt. I'm getting right to it.
Speaker 2: How the hell did you get a DMX feature?
Speaker 3: That's easy, I'll be I don't mean getting the features easy.
Speaker 3: Answering the question, Okay, yeah, yeah, I did a song
Speaker 3: for him before he passed. It's actually me and Denzel
Speaker 3: Curry and uh uh, he's done. We did cleared prayers
Speaker 3: for the projects prior, so it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: by the time he, you know, left us, I had
Speaker 3: a beat well when he left us. A little after that,
Speaker 3: a couple of years after that, I had this beat
Speaker 3: from ke Trinada and I heard it and it was
Speaker 3: a beat I originally passed on. And then I heard
Speaker 3: that ship and I was just like, yo, it sounds
Speaker 3: like some Rough Riders type shit, but like with a
Speaker 3: little bit of a different swing. And the way I
Speaker 3: seen him DJ it made me understand the beat more
Speaker 3: than before I had actually seen him DJ. So, so
Speaker 3: I like he just got this thing where he'll play
Speaker 3: something like that and it'll be ladies dancing to it and.
Speaker 1: All this stuff.
Speaker 3: And once I saw that vision, I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: this beat is like a little different than what I
Speaker 3: originally thought. And I was like, man, I wonder what
Speaker 3: happened to them vocals and what they do with that song.
Speaker 3: So I hit Pat from his team and Pat was like, yo,
Speaker 3: I still got it.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know what we want to do with.
Speaker 3: It, and I asked for his blessing to try it
Speaker 3: on the song. Once we tried it and we all
Speaker 3: loved it, it was like, oh, let's, you know, go
Speaker 3: through the proper channels, the family, fiance, everybody, to fan kids.
Speaker 1: To clear it.
Speaker 3: I got on a call with everybody, let them know
Speaker 3: my intentions for it, and they gave me the blessing.
Speaker 3: So it's the first actually approved or a state approved
Speaker 3: feature that came out since his passive.
Speaker 2: That's why I love with that question, because I mean
Speaker 2: getting DMX feature while he was still with us was tough.
Speaker 4: How'd you originally connect with them?
Speaker 3: I chased him down myself myself was to clear this thing.
Speaker 2: That's a brave thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I really was like, yo, all right, he's performing it
Speaker 3: this joint because I always like never left that mentality
Speaker 3: of bro I got to make shit happen.
Speaker 1: Regardless of wherever I was at.
Speaker 3: I don't mind like rolling up my sleeves and just
Speaker 3: hitting people and staying on top of certain shit. Some
Speaker 3: people have like an ego about it, but I look
Speaker 3: at it like how I looked at it when I
Speaker 3: first started rapping. I went to a PG when I
Speaker 3: got out of prison. I went to PG Community College
Speaker 3: to just try to do like computer science or some shit,
Speaker 3: and I would be like rapping. I'd be in a
Speaker 3: cafeteria looking crazy by myself, just like writing and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And I knew that I looked crazy, but
Speaker 3: I always knew that at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: those same people that thought I was crazy gonna see
Speaker 3: me where I'm going to be at, and then it's
Speaker 3: not going to be crazy no more make sense? Right,
Speaker 3: So I have to saying I wrote this one I
Speaker 3: was locked up. Fantasy without reality is insanity. So I've
Speaker 3: always been that way. So me like I was in
Speaker 3: a place where I didn't necessarily need to chase them
Speaker 3: down necessarily but I was with all that because whenever
Speaker 3: I I believe it makes sense to do something, then
Speaker 3: I'm cool to do all that stuff. If it don't
Speaker 3: make sense, I probably feel weird. But if I think
Speaker 3: it makes sense, and I'm like, yo, what I have
Speaker 3: of you on this thing is great. I just want
Speaker 3: your blessing. And they brought me backstage and he's like.
Speaker 3: I talked to him and he's like, it's good. Whatever
Speaker 3: you need, it's good.
Speaker 4: How do you pitch a DMX?
Speaker 3: And I just what I was doing, and it was,
Speaker 3: you know, I had to do with religion and my
Speaker 3: fight with God and and whether he's real or not
Speaker 3: and all these things, and I told him to pitch.
Speaker 1: He was like, it's good. Whatever you need, it's good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So then it was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean, your entire desography, you have some
Speaker 5: of the most impressive features you go through your whole you.
Speaker 1: Two though, you two, I just be buying your feature.
Speaker 5: Because you've never struck me as someone that's that tries
Speaker 5: to be in the mix so much. So that's where
Speaker 5: or even I guess a networker right right way, So
Speaker 5: how do you get these types of features?
Speaker 3: I mean they're all different, but the real real answer
Speaker 3: is audacity. I just asked, I asked, I hit Jay
Speaker 3: like trying to go on a DM and see a
Speaker 3: few responds. I'm just like that, and uh, I think
Speaker 3: I move with man, I don't. I don't mean to
Speaker 3: come like off like this, but this is actually true.
Speaker 3: It's like a divine energy that I move with that's
Speaker 3: really connected in a way where I think things happen.
Speaker 1: I'm working on something.
Speaker 3: I can't speak on it just yet, but when everyone
Speaker 3: hears that I'm doing this, I think.
Speaker 1: People gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Gonna be some people that's maybe mad, but most people
Speaker 3: are going to be like, wow, that's crazy that you're
Speaker 3: doing that. And it's because of the divine energy and
Speaker 3: the connection that I have. I really respect like people
Speaker 3: who especially when someone has passed away and I have
Speaker 3: a record that I want to do, I speak to
Speaker 3: you know, like, and I thank them for allowing me
Speaker 3: the opportunity to even do this when they're not here,
Speaker 3: and the past just starts to clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just being real like, and so that's
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 3: Anything I do, I always make sure that in my mind, this, this,
Speaker 3: this and this makes sense because of this, this and this,
Speaker 3: and if it don't add up, I don't hit niggas.
Speaker 1: Bro. Yeah, if I'm calling you, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: I love that you just add to d m J. Electronica.
Speaker 5: I had to fly to the mountains of Mexico, hike
Speaker 5: up the side of a mountains a pyramid to get
Speaker 5: my feature.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 1: You're not joking.
Speaker 2: I'm not joking at all.
Speaker 1: I mean that's actually sicker than my situation. I'd rather
Speaker 1: be you.
Speaker 2: Once Mexico literally, yeah, man, Yeah it was jail leg
Speaker 2: is a He's an interesting guy. Yeah yeahful one of
Speaker 2: my favorite people ever. But you just have to be
Speaker 2: prepared for anything. Trust when moving around with him, ar fifteen.
Speaker 5: That to be putting malls faced by the federalities for
Speaker 5: me to get those.
Speaker 2: To Mexico to get them, and we were getting pulled
Speaker 2: wild times, great times. But Jay is he's just one
Speaker 2: of those people, man, the definition of free.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the definition of somebody that is free, somebody
Speaker 2: that does what they want to do, lives how they
Speaker 2: want to live. It's admirable, but it is you know,
Speaker 2: when you have when you when you when you meet
Speaker 2: people like that, you realize like, oh yeah, like I'm
Speaker 2: not living like this person. He's living waking up and
Speaker 2: doing whatever he whatever the fuck he wants to do.
Speaker 5: Did you feel the same way with Doom, because I
Speaker 5: know you guys have worked before.
Speaker 3: It's a feature on the album, like yeah, yeah, Doom.
Speaker 3: That one's really special.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: When I say I moved with like divine energy and
Speaker 3: a certain connection. This is where I think it might
Speaker 3: it might make the most sense with Doom. He the
Speaker 3: future for me a while back, and Dell the funky
Speaker 3: Hombo safety and got on the song. So I had
Speaker 3: to cut his verse down a little bit. I didn't
Speaker 3: have to, but I felt like it was necessary for
Speaker 3: the song. So because he did a pretty long verse,
Speaker 3: and then I grabbed that and I held on to it,
Speaker 3: not thinking I'll ever use it for anything. Then when
Speaker 3: Red came up, I asked for his blessing to use
Speaker 3: a piece of it. I wasn't going to actually make
Speaker 3: it a feature. It was just oh, that's Doomed, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And then he passed away. And
Speaker 3: then when he passed away, I was still waiting for
Speaker 3: Jay to get me that verse and he dm me and.
Speaker 1: Is like, nah, I got to make sure this happens.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's like, I got you, and then he texted he
Speaker 3: DM me again and he was like touchdown, and then
Speaker 3: he sent me the train and that's how that happened.
Speaker 3: And then I still had more left though, and by
Speaker 3: the time I started making this product, I had to
Speaker 3: go deep within myself and go back to places that
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go back to, which was being incarcerated,
Speaker 3: behind bars, all of that shit. And then once I
Speaker 3: did that, I started writing the records and then I
Speaker 3: conductor sent.
Speaker 1: Me this beat.
Speaker 3: I took what he had, I chopped it and made
Speaker 3: the verse on that beat is me chopping his beat,
Speaker 3: and then the hook is the beat he basically sent me.
Speaker 3: So then I thought about him, like, yo, I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if those doom vocals will fit here, and it happened
Speaker 3: to be like the X things similar bpms, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, he's talking about being locked up.
Speaker 3: The irony of him talking about being locked up, and
Speaker 3: that happens to be the piece that I left, and
Speaker 3: I'm talking about being locked up. The whole time, I
Speaker 3: was like, this gotta happen. So that's what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: I didn't plan that that happened. I put it together,
Speaker 3: I penned. I went to my experience of being behind
Speaker 3: bars at that time, you know, trying K two for
Speaker 3: the first time, all that shit, and I wanted to
Speaker 3: put you in my shoes for that moment, and that's
Speaker 3: what That's what came out. So and then obviously the
Speaker 3: same thing sent it to the powers that be, it
Speaker 3: got approved. It wasn't going to be a feature at first,
Speaker 3: but then something they messed up, something on accident on
Speaker 3: the vinyl, and my fans were zooming.
Speaker 1: In on the you know what I'm saying. When I
Speaker 1: put out the pre sale, and.
Speaker 3: It was like Doom, Doom, So I tried to hurry
Speaker 3: up and change it, and then I changed it, but
Speaker 3: then people just kind of was.
Speaker 2: Like, nah, do take it off?
Speaker 3: So I never when I announced it, I ain't never
Speaker 3: said anything about dooming, and people was mad. It was like, man,
Speaker 3: how disrespectful is it to not list doom as a
Speaker 3: feature on the project. But I wasn't trying to. I
Speaker 3: wanted it to be a surprise. And also because it
Speaker 3: wasn't a full verse, it was just on the hook.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to gas it, so people okay, so
Speaker 3: that's what happened. And then I just was like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess we just got to put it as a feature.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, you know, that's just what ended up happening
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 5: Speaking of spiritual connections and you being locked up? What
Speaker 5: did you see on the first inhale of K two?
Speaker 3: I saw some weird shit. Okay, this is walk me
Speaker 3: through the day. What is it my birthday? And you
Speaker 3: know this is when K two was new and ship,
Speaker 3: so nobody really understood how people knew people would trip
Speaker 3: off of it, don't get it twisted, yes, but most
Speaker 3: people didn't really know that all the way how bad.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was my birthday and my boy
Speaker 3: D was just like, yeah, man, I got this Da
Speaker 3: da da. And then you know, we smoked it, and
Speaker 3: you gotta, you know, you smoke it slow so that
Speaker 3: the high could last, because sometimes the high is really quick.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know what how you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: Actually that's the thing that's not consistance, so you don't
Speaker 3: know what it's going through to you. And I smoked
Speaker 3: it and I just started like basically everybody in prison
Speaker 3: that I saw looked like themselves, but an animal version
Speaker 3: of them themselves, Like if you look like kind of
Speaker 3: like camel to me in that moment, you look like
Speaker 3: it was a you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 3: like but it was it was dark though. It was
Speaker 3: like scary, like it wasn't funny. It was like yo.
Speaker 3: And then you know, you know, like you you're looking
Speaker 3: around like, nigga, I'm locked up right now, nigga, like
Speaker 3: you're starting the reality starting to really kick in. I
Speaker 3: know when I'm getting out, I'm like, it's my birthday
Speaker 3: and ship, nigga, I'm looking at this like you know,
Speaker 3: we had they got me like these little doughnuts and
Speaker 3: all this ship my birthday and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to eat none of this ship.
Speaker 3: This ship, Like I try to eat, it tastes nasty,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I just need some milk. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: lay on my bunk, nigga, and let this ship go away.
Speaker 3: And I remember hearing this beat in my head. I
Speaker 3: still remember the beat to this day. I kind of
Speaker 3: gotta make that. I got to make that shit and
Speaker 3: it was just just dark ass, weird ass beat. But
Speaker 3: if I make that beat there's nothing in music that
Speaker 3: sounds like this shit actually, and that literally was my
Speaker 3: experience doing it. I did it a couple of times,
Speaker 3: though it wasn't like the only time I did.
Speaker 2: It, so you went back for another case.
Speaker 3: I think I did it before that, and then that
Speaker 3: was my birthday time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but that I think I tried it.
Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly how much I tried, but I'll
Speaker 3: tell you this, when I got out, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Smoke weed no more.
Speaker 3: I couldn't smoke weed no more after that shit. Like
Speaker 3: every time I tried it, I would get this weird
Speaker 3: paranoid high that I didn't like, so I just stopped smoking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I accidentally smoke K two once accidentally.
Speaker 5: It was like friend twenty ten and like the synthetic.
Speaker 1: Weed, that's when I did. I was around that time and.
Speaker 2: It was synthetic weed.
Speaker 5: But part of me feels like in twenty ten that
Speaker 5: was K two and we just didn't really know it
Speaker 5: was to that's K two, that's what is. There was
Speaker 5: a name I forgot the exact name. Spicy.
Speaker 4: Definitely smoke king too, but no, it definitely makes you trip.
Speaker 3: So the reason why we would do it is because
Speaker 3: it was just like, oh yeah, it was like, you
Speaker 3: can't it doesn't show up on your pist test, so
Speaker 3: that's why we're smoking. I think I even smoked it
Speaker 3: a little bit when I got out because it didn't
Speaker 3: show up on my pits test. But honestly, it was
Speaker 3: one of them things where I was like, I realized
Speaker 3: my weed.
Speaker 1: I was starting to like, like be not what I remember.
Speaker 5: I can immediately tell when drugs are not for me
Speaker 5: because I don't like them or because I may like
Speaker 5: it too much. Right, Like shrooms I don't do very often,
Speaker 5: but I've done them multiple times and is cool, I think,
Speaker 5: especially micro does and this and that. But like I
Speaker 5: tried coke, I was like, nah, I'm cool because I
Speaker 5: may end up liking that ship. So I left that alone.
Speaker 5: But that K two ship when that one time I
Speaker 5: smoked it in that living room, I never wanted to
Speaker 5: go near anything synthetic for the rest of my Yeah, no,
Speaker 5: fat it like nothing about it was cool. It wasn't fun,
Speaker 5: it wasn't a story we could talk like later. It
Speaker 5: was just like, nah, none of that shit is cool. Man,
Speaker 5: Like I mean, to each his own, but that ain't
Speaker 5: my style. I can't even dream.
Speaker 2: I never I never did shrooms. I had shroom tea before. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just was never like I never like outside of weed.
Speaker 2: I was never really like trying because I'm scared to
Speaker 2: have like a trip and never come back right right,
Speaker 2: That's like my biggest feel like I'm gonna turn into
Speaker 2: a whole different person and I'm not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to snap by like everything is different now. So let's
Speaker 2: talk about the beginning of aud K Originally from the UK. Yeah,
Speaker 2: born London, born London. How at what age did you
Speaker 2: come to America? Two years old? Oh so yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: I'm American. You're America more than anything. But are you
Speaker 2: still tapped in with the London sound like London rap?
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. I got like Goldie on my project.
Speaker 3: I still like it's Emmy, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like for show. But but I'm mostly just a DMV,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. That's mainly what I
Speaker 3: am in DC, Maryland, Virginia. For those of you who don't.
Speaker 2: Know now the DMV because me and Rory been talking
Speaker 2: about it. What is it about the DMV that just
Speaker 2: keeps creating such unique, such talented artists like throughout the
Speaker 2: years in hip hop and R and B like this,
Speaker 2: This is something about the DMB. Is it just the
Speaker 2: culture of the DMV. Is it the close proximity and
Speaker 2: so many different people are able to connect with each other?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is it about the DMV that just keeps giving
Speaker 2: us like such talented artists.
Speaker 3: I think that we have some of the highest concentration
Speaker 3: of pure creativity. Now, creativity meets opportunity to expand creativity
Speaker 3: because you know, when you look at LA and you
Speaker 3: look at New York, is easier to expand your creativity
Speaker 3: to an audience because they have the industry there.
Speaker 1: We just got the raw creativity.
Speaker 3: So you know when when you look at something that's
Speaker 3: unique as go go and then you look at how
Speaker 3: people have adopted certain cultural things. This is like a
Speaker 3: big African community there.
Speaker 1: There's a big Hispanic.
Speaker 3: Community there, obviously Black community, uh, and all of these things.
Speaker 3: You know, when you kind of put that together and
Speaker 3: we're all close nearby each other, I think it creates
Speaker 3: what I like to call a color that doesn't exist,
Speaker 3: something new, something unique, And even in the way we
Speaker 3: dressing and all of that stuff, you know, we made
Speaker 3: new balances popular.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When when my dad was living in Baltimore in PG County.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even got honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You from New York, Yeah, yeas be trying to claim
Speaker 3: the new balance.
Speaker 4: Jim Jones tried, which was kind of funded. That's Jim Jones.
Speaker 4: He's going to fight.
Speaker 5: He's our soldier, boy. He was the first. But no,
Speaker 5: I always because I was wearing new balances. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying this as a stat but when they weren't
Speaker 5: popular up here and used to get kind of like
Speaker 5: new balances.
Speaker 4: I'm in Maryland, that's all they were.
Speaker 2: We wore new balances in the early nineties.
Speaker 1: Though in New York, we wore new balances in the eighties.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure I did, but I remember, I remember
Speaker 2: like the nineties, like new balances were a thing.
Speaker 3: And when I was born in eighties, but I remember
Speaker 3: seeing pictures of the eighties.
Speaker 2: I definitely listen. I'm not, but I do know that
Speaker 2: new balances was definitely something that New Yorkers wore, like
Speaker 2: early in the nineties and probably before that. But I'm
Speaker 2: just speaking for me and my friends. We definitely started
Speaker 2: wearing new balance in the early nineties.
Speaker 5: But up here, like when my dad moved to Maryland
Speaker 5: was like oh, two three fourths somewhere in that time,
Speaker 5: and nobody was wearing new balances up here. Like when
Speaker 5: I went down there, it was four and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: new balances and they're comfortable as fuck.
Speaker 1: Definitely, but yeah.
Speaker 5: In the early two thousands at least my era was
Speaker 5: definitely not wearing balances whatsoever.
Speaker 4: That was definitely a dm.
Speaker 3: And listen, I'm definitely like I credit New York for
Speaker 3: popularizing a lot of styles from DC, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like how people were dressing, or the drug
Speaker 3: dealers and all that stuff. People popularized a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff back back then in New York, and I think
Speaker 3: there's some sort of an admiration for people in New
Speaker 3: York and how y'all get down and the swag and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, for sure, But the.
Speaker 1: Idea knew was coming.
Speaker 2: Once they give you once, they give you credit and
Speaker 2: they give you props to this, but.
Speaker 3: You but it's just really one of them things where like,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that d C specifically in the DMV,
Speaker 3: we do a lot of things and maybe don't get
Speaker 3: the credit so a lot of people are vocal about it.
Speaker 3: That's really more so. What it boils down to.
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Speaker 5: What do you think the DMV music lineage is like?
Speaker 5: For example, you could start with Disco in New York,
Speaker 5: which then went to cool Herk and then went to
Speaker 5: Curtis Blowercarris wanting and so on and so forth. You
Speaker 5: kind of couldn't tell the entire the entire story of
Speaker 5: New York hip hop. Where where does DMV start?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: So I'm going to speak with a lack of all
Speaker 3: of the information and education and answered the best I
Speaker 3: can with what I what I understand. I think the seventies,
Speaker 3: maybe the late seventies is when Go Go kind of came.
Speaker 3: But people were rapping over Go Go. Let's not let's
Speaker 3: not like get that twisted. People were rapping over Go Go.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, people like Chuck Brown, things
Speaker 1: like that, they were coming in.
Speaker 3: Then you get to the early eighties. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Don't quote me on this, but look it up. We came,
Speaker 3: uh punk rock came from DC. Okay, I'm pretty pretty sure.
Speaker 3: I'm like like ninety percent sure. So we obviously have that.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: And then I think in the eighties, Go Go started
Speaker 3: to expand a lot more. I think that the nineties
Speaker 3: came and then we had is it nonchalant five o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning when you be around that time? Right,
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm gonna probably miss people, So
Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know what, I'm saying no
Speaker 3: disrespect to anybody that I missed. But I think around
Speaker 3: that time that started to happen when we had like
Speaker 3: Junk Yard Band and all these people that started getting
Speaker 3: like real recognition being signed to I think Death Jam Records,
Speaker 3: things like that, and then we're the eerror. Where I
Speaker 3: really started paying attention to certain things was when Tabby
Speaker 3: Bonnet and Wile was coming out, because was the first
Speaker 3: nigga from back home from what I remember to be
Speaker 3: on MTV. Yeah, shout out to Tuma because Tuma was
Speaker 3: working at MTV around that time, and.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing that, like, yo, this could really happen.
Speaker 3: I started seeing Phil I Day around that time as well,
Speaker 3: so like but you know a little later actually, but.
Speaker 1: Was the first time I really seen.
Speaker 3: Like somebody like doing something you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And that kind of rubbed off on me, like it's
Speaker 3: possible because not only is he from where I'm from,
Speaker 3: he's also African. You know, he's talking about the struggle
Speaker 3: being African, being made fun of all that shit. So
Speaker 3: it's connecting with me in a real way. So by
Speaker 3: the time I got locked up and got out, I
Speaker 3: remember saying to myself, you know, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: take raps seriously because my biggest thing is I want
Speaker 3: to rap, but I don't ever want to perform. Like
Speaker 3: the idea of performing was so crazy and scary to me.
Speaker 2: I want to rap, but you don't want to perform.
Speaker 1: No, I just want to put out songs.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I want to have like a
Speaker 3: local buzz like l A when he first came out,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to be like a big superstar
Speaker 3: and nothing like that. And that was my mentality going
Speaker 3: into it. My Plan A was a finished school, you know,
Speaker 3: and try to do something with that. I still got
Speaker 3: my book from jail when I wrote my plan my
Speaker 3: Plan B, and both of them were not rap at
Speaker 3: the end. They had rap in it, but that wasn't
Speaker 3: the end all be all, and so but like.
Speaker 1: I'm back to the lineage part.
Speaker 3: You know, you go while A and you start seeing
Speaker 3: like Fat trailing them and the Shotglizzy.
Speaker 1: I was I was locked up when shot Lizzy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that being locked up and they were like, yo,
Speaker 3: shot Lizzy, shot Lizzy. He beefing with Fat trail d
Speaker 3: niggas telling me you know what I mean, And then
Speaker 3: then there was just mad other eras like when you
Speaker 3: go from that era to the next, I say, I
Speaker 3: guess the next era was me starting to be like
Speaker 3: gold Link and Chazz French people like that was coming out.
Speaker 3: Shaboozi was around two. Like Shaboozi was always running out.
Speaker 3: Me and him got songs from when he was like
Speaker 3: fucking seventeen or something like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and Chabuzzi coming up around his time. All of us
Speaker 3: is like doing our thing. But that gold Link wave
Speaker 3: was serious. When that came out, that was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, I can't forget.
Speaker 1: There was even before that.
Speaker 3: There was like Booby One Way Boobie and all these
Speaker 3: you know, all the street rappers. It was coming out
Speaker 3: to Big Wax, everybody, Circle Boys all that.
Speaker 1: Then we go to.
Speaker 3: After that era, you know, we all kind of was
Speaker 3: doing our thing, was growing. I want to say Logic
Speaker 3: was around that time as well a little bit before that.
Speaker 3: And then the next era was like when Big Flock
Speaker 3: and Rico Nasty and Shabaz Cutiful all them started coming out.
Speaker 1: But that was the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Then we got young Manny and all them guys
Speaker 3: uh zam Man, which is basically they originated the flow
Speaker 3: that everybody's really using now, and then there's probably another
Speaker 3: era right after that, which is kind of more so
Speaker 3: now where you get Nino paid and you get who
Speaker 3: else is out there, you get El Cousto, you're getting.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say that's even a little after
Speaker 3: maybe or close to that, where you know, right now,
Speaker 3: I think after that era Earl Sweatshirt clip winning when
Speaker 3: viral Niggas is like, oh shit, like that's our flow.
Speaker 3: That's like the DMV flow to the t you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But right now, I mean like you
Speaker 3: got people like even Machago coming out, They came out
Speaker 3: a little bit before around my era, like like we
Speaker 3: just got so much shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you running down this list, it's so much talent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we were.
Speaker 5: I think it was last episode we were talking about
Speaker 5: Foggy's album, Like Foggy too. The DMV has a sound,
Speaker 5: but it doesn't if that, I guess because there is
Speaker 5: just so many different types of artists where there isn't
Speaker 5: a definitive sound, but there is, Like I think Foggy
Speaker 5: and I mean it's respectfully like I can hear some
Speaker 5: of gold Link in his music to me, which is
Speaker 5: very much a d m V type of tone.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you know, that was the one thing I
Speaker 3: was saying. I don't see it all the way, but
Speaker 3: I can see maybe from the outside, and then how
Speaker 3: it could be I see the nuance a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I'm like foggy sound like foggy to me, But
Speaker 3: when I hear what he's doing, it is it is
Speaker 3: a lot of sub pockets of music, right, But it's
Speaker 3: kind of the same way there's like a lot of
Speaker 3: subcultures in general in the DMV, right, But ultimately what
Speaker 3: you may get that's consistent is a certain type of slang,
Speaker 3: a certain type of respect and flow that's derivative derivative
Speaker 3: of go go music. And then after that it just
Speaker 3: becomes what type of style you want to do over
Speaker 3: what type of beats? You know what I'm saying, But
Speaker 3: I'm probably missing like ninety percent of all of the
Speaker 3: shit that's really has been going on in these errors.
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing. But we don't have the industry
Speaker 3: like that. So when you hear certain things, they kind
Speaker 3: of like become like this thing where it's like it's
Speaker 3: dope cool people taken from it for sure, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't have the chance to incubate and becoming this big thing.
Speaker 3: Every now and then you get certain things but not
Speaker 3: so much right and then bruh, Like a lot of
Speaker 3: the artists, they be like they don't have the foundation
Speaker 3: around them so structure wise, like management, certain things like that.
Speaker 3: So it's that's why I say we are a hub
Speaker 3: of pure artistic talent, whether it comes to style, whether
Speaker 3: it comes to music, all of that shit. Like we
Speaker 3: got that in the purest form. We got the blue magic,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But we don't We're not
Speaker 3: always able to distribute it throughout New York City.
Speaker 1: Got it like a better Ford.
Speaker 2: I guess you know what I see, uh.
Speaker 5: With the Not Atlanta record, with what La Russell's been
Speaker 5: doing with the Bay I see everyone arguing what's the
Speaker 5: city and what's not the city?
Speaker 4: Is the clips DMV or not?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I say yes, I say because I've heard Parrell say
Speaker 3: it out of his I mean, so I'll go with
Speaker 3: real right right. I think people try to write off
Speaker 3: certain places because it's a little too far. I think
Speaker 3: there's two ways to look at it. There is It's
Speaker 3: like if I'm out of town. I'd rather just I'm
Speaker 3: so I'm closer to DC than I am to Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so when people say where you're from, I just say DC.
Speaker 3: It's not But if you're from DC and you say
Speaker 3: you're from DC but you're not from DCA, that don't fly.
Speaker 3: So you got to know the context in what you
Speaker 3: speaking on. If I say the DMV and it pertains
Speaker 3: to the CLIPS, it's the most general broad aspect of
Speaker 3: the DMV we can have. Now, the real DMV, like
Speaker 3: the honest to god real version of the DMV, is
Speaker 3: the metropolitan area right all around. Basically, if you're if
Speaker 3: the train don't go to where you're from, it's not
Speaker 3: really the DMV. Kind of that's the way some people
Speaker 3: look at it. But because DC, Maryland and Virginia are
Speaker 3: the d m V, the specifying that you kind of
Speaker 3: got to be from there to really understand why you
Speaker 3: gotta specify. So so because of that, CLIPS is d
Speaker 3: m V. Okay, if they say it, then that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I ain't that ain't at all.
Speaker 5: Remember the Titans squad is right, because that's a New York.
Speaker 2: We still claim the CLIPS you're the only New York Times.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. I've never heard that in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 5: Face before, and he said, no, I'm not. I mean
Speaker 5: speaking of of the clips and push your tea. You
Speaker 5: and I we're talking the day that record came out. Yeah,
Speaker 5: why do you think people thought you were dissing Drake
Speaker 5: on that record?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was a very odd perspective, because you and me.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like I said Ice this
Speaker 3: and Ice that, and I wasn't thinking about no Drake
Speaker 3: when I made you know what I'm saying, like Ice,
Speaker 3: and you know it was it was dark to see
Speaker 3: that people dig that deep and listen, man, keep digging
Speaker 3: like sometimes I do be saying some clever Yeah, it's right,
Speaker 3: But I think it was that, And I think just
Speaker 3: by nature of the timing. That's why I say divine
Speaker 3: timing is interesting. I didn't plan for that to happen
Speaker 3: at that time. And I think they said something about Drake,
Speaker 3: posted something about Ice, and then we dropped a song.
Speaker 1: I was not. That shit had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: what I was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So hey, look, people probably said it because they just
Speaker 3: thought that that's what it was, and hey, I looked
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 2: They try to dig and find little anything that may
Speaker 2: look like a shot or beef or disrespect. That's just
Speaker 2: what rap is. Everything is, like Mike was under the microscope,
Speaker 2: like what he meant by that, like you said, by that,
Speaker 2: and then like you said, if somebody drops a song
Speaker 2: and then you drop something, or somebody posted something and
Speaker 2: you drop something, it looks like the timing of it
Speaker 2: all it is like, Nah, that ain't no coincidence, like
Speaker 2: he talking to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even think Push was talking.
Speaker 2: Just say I could.
Speaker 5: You can maybe make a case, but I still don't
Speaker 5: even think Push was talking about Rake on that verse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of one of them.
Speaker 3: I'm not about to act that man, but unless you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, like like that, it's just like
Speaker 3: our conversations don't. Really that's not what it was, like
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I think he would say
Speaker 3: what it is if it's necessary to be said. I
Speaker 3: think he was just expressing himself on with that pen
Speaker 3: like we all do as artists and whatever people want
Speaker 3: to say, let him talk, Yeah, because.
Speaker 5: I even saw it got weird in those threads I
Speaker 5: saw people saying you you had who kids host it
Speaker 5: because because the family matters, Like if y'all really think.
Speaker 4: About that's too much.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not the kind of guy that's obsesses over
Speaker 3: trying to make a point or insert myself into a
Speaker 3: conversation that I have no business in. I don't think
Speaker 3: that ever goes well. I am a guy that if
Speaker 3: somebody uh said certain things about me, I don't like bullying,
Speaker 3: and I don't like and mostly mostly trying to bully me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's because that's the mentality I developed from being locked up.
Speaker 3: It's like, you let somebody play with you in them
Speaker 3: buying them walls, that's going to be your time the
Speaker 3: rest of the time there. You might as well just
Speaker 3: crash out, and I have to deal with that. Crash out, bro,
Speaker 3: you gotta if that's what you gotta do, that's what
Speaker 3: you gotta do, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: this ship is about survival and you buying them walls.
Speaker 3: You gotta figure out how to make your time the
Speaker 3: most comfortable possible. I'm not about to have nobody make
Speaker 3: my time uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I gotta eat, I gotta do what I do. I
Speaker 3: don't bother. Nobody leave me alone there. I'm over here,
Speaker 3: and I don't like that. Sometimes people think, because I'm
Speaker 3: a nice guy like to people most for the most part,
Speaker 3: they think that they could maybe play with me. That's rare,
Speaker 3: by the way, but that's what I don't like. But
Speaker 3: to me to just go out of my way and
Speaker 3: be like, oh man, let me try to even like
Speaker 3: stretch it, because some niggas to hear some ship and
Speaker 3: then they'll be like, oh, this is my opportunity. He
Speaker 3: said this one little line and I'm gonna try to
Speaker 3: make it. Then nah, man, that shit don't again. I
Speaker 3: move with divine energy. If that ain't what it is,
Speaker 3: that's not what it needs to be. I actually fuck
Speaker 3: with Drake, you know what I'm saying. Fuck with some
Speaker 3: of the shit he does. A lot of shit he does, Drake.
Speaker 3: I listen to Take Care when I was locked up.
Speaker 3: That was you know, that was a record that shaped
Speaker 3: how I even listen to music. I don't think people
Speaker 3: give him the props he deserves for the music he's
Speaker 3: put out, even though commercially he's successful. I think from
Speaker 3: a respect standpoint, people write it off. I was arguing
Speaker 3: with Torre about this shit like on the joint because
Speaker 3: he know he has his feelings about it. And I'm like, look,
Speaker 3: I don't know about the ghost writing shit. I don't really,
Speaker 3: I'm not in the room to know who did. But
Speaker 3: what I heard when I hear on them speakers. My
Speaker 3: argument with him was, are you saying what he's saying
Speaker 3: what's coming out as bad?
Speaker 1: Or is it because he may have a ghostwriter?
Speaker 3: And once it was like what he's hearing is bad,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: That Nigga's clever. I said this to his face.
Speaker 3: I told him, I was like, you know how to
Speaker 3: say simple clever shit in a simple way.
Speaker 1: That's hard, extremely that's very hard to artistic.
Speaker 3: Some man shout out, shout out to him and what
Speaker 3: he does, no, you know, and that's not no disrespect
Speaker 3: to push, that's not no disrespect to other people that
Speaker 3: I fuck with. I'm just a fan of what this
Speaker 3: is and that that guy has never done nothing to
Speaker 3: me that I you know what I'm saying. They try
Speaker 3: to say, maybe he had an idea that was inspired
Speaker 3: by something I did with the k Tranada joint and never, honestly,
Speaker 3: never mind whatever that was, Like an internet thing, I ain't.
Speaker 3: I actually show him after that, and the energy was
Speaker 3: just cool.
Speaker 1: I left it at that. So when people try to put.
Speaker 2: All that together, they make shit with people to fend
Speaker 2: sometime makes shit with.
Speaker 3: And then then then the other thing is like some
Speaker 3: people be I'm not saying he is, I don't know him,
Speaker 3: but some people be sensitive and take that shit seriously.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not one of them, guys, Like I really got,
Speaker 3: like I said, bro, being behind certain walls and being
Speaker 3: behind them walls. Bro, you look at life differently, like
Speaker 3: you look at time differently, you look at being patient differently,
Speaker 3: you look at who could be an enemy and who's not.
Speaker 1: Very different yea.
Speaker 3: So for me, like I don't move, I move with
Speaker 3: the principles that I learned from that.
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, I think a lot of artists obviously
Speaker 5: are sensitive, but they kind of let the fans in
Speaker 5: the internet dictate how they should move because a lot
Speaker 5: of times it's not even that. And then the artists
Speaker 5: will be scrolling for two days and be like, now
Speaker 5: you know what, maybe it is maybe he was talking
Speaker 5: about it, like no, they made this up, bro, But
Speaker 5: you should understand that the fans are the ones that
Speaker 5: are making you think that someone is saying some shit
Speaker 5: about you.
Speaker 3: Well, gang, that's why I got a fucking phone. Nigga
Speaker 3: hit my line, you know me A and Ja Electronica. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you feel a way about me, bro, that's why
Speaker 3: I don't like this is just man time. If you
Speaker 3: feel away about me, if I feel away about you,
Speaker 3: oh man, ask anybody that I will call you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit your phone, bro. And some niggas be scared.
Speaker 3: They don't want to answer the phone. And they any
Speaker 3: nigga who don't want to answer the phone and have
Speaker 3: a conversation but want to talk on in I already
Speaker 3: write you off.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's perform it.
Speaker 5: But that's that's ego ship too, because one of those
Speaker 5: people small attest to I do in a dumb.
Speaker 4: Way a lot of times as well.
Speaker 5: I will always approach somebody if there's something that has
Speaker 5: to be said that man. I never understand like we
Speaker 5: could just have a five minute conversation. Yeah that doesn't
Speaker 5: mean we have to. We could just both coexist if
Speaker 5: it is like that and just move forward. It's not
Speaker 5: I never understand why people can't just have a conversation.
Speaker 1: Niggas be avoiding. Bro.
Speaker 3: Listen, Bro, I keep going back to this, but I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, I had to realize I'm the way I
Speaker 3: am because at pivotal ages from seven teen nineteen, I'm
Speaker 3: to twenty. I'm behind bars. So I'm looking at my mind.
Speaker 3: My brain is developing and I'm learning these things. I
Speaker 3: can't do that back. You know, you can't do that
Speaker 3: in that situation. You like, you can't hide from niggas.
Speaker 3: You gotta confront shit. I've been in situations where I'm
Speaker 3: hearing shit about a nigga. He feeling a way nigga
Speaker 3: pacing back and forth. I don't know if he has
Speaker 3: a knife on him, I don't know what he's literally well,
Speaker 3: walk up to his nigga, like, yo, let me holler
Speaker 3: at you. Let's let's sit down and talk about whatever
Speaker 3: the fuck this misunderstanding may be.
Speaker 1: Because I got to go home at the end of
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 3: Bro, I can't deal with like all this and this
Speaker 3: nigga on some probably crash out shit, he mind, he
Speaker 3: don't know when he going home.
Speaker 1: I don't have time for that, Bro.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it, and if it from there it
Speaker 3: still escalates, then I mean I did everything in my
Speaker 3: power to de escalate it and whatever happens after that
Speaker 3: is what happens. Yeah, that's my mentality. So when it
Speaker 3: comes to these niggas, this is a piece of cake.
Speaker 3: It's just like, just get on the phone, scary ass
Speaker 3: nigga would be scared.
Speaker 1: Bro, it's a phone call.
Speaker 2: A phone call?
Speaker 1: Are you scared?
Speaker 3: It's a message when we grown men got kids and
Speaker 3: ship then I don't have no kids. I understanding niggas
Speaker 3: got kids or gonna have kids. Nigga, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: H let's just talk say, well, imagine your kid. Think
Speaker 3: that's my daddy, my daddy.
Speaker 2: That's how my dad, my daddy supposed to be a superhero.
Speaker 2: Scared for nigga learning kindergarten? Talk it out.
Speaker 1: But that's my look at it.
Speaker 5: What was that feeling like when you thought you had
Speaker 5: to do fifteen and it ended up, you know, just
Speaker 5: having to.
Speaker 3: Serve serve to three. So I didn't make that clear.
Speaker 3: I never thought I had to do fifteen. I had fifteen,
Speaker 3: I got fifteen. Yeah, but it got suspended to three
Speaker 3: as you were a minor or.
Speaker 1: I think that helped played a part.
Speaker 3: I think they would have fried me and if I
Speaker 3: was if I was eighteen, they considered it, but they
Speaker 3: charged me as an adult, so it's like it's a consideration,
Speaker 3: but it's not. It doesn't legally make them not do
Speaker 3: or not do something. I think. I didn't have no
Speaker 3: record prior to that. I was seventeen when it happened.
Speaker 3: They didn't find said gun. There was a lot of
Speaker 3: little shit that was like in my favor. So then
Speaker 3: the judge is like, all right, man, let excuse you
Speaker 3: three boom. You could do it on private home detention,
Speaker 3: which is a trick bag because it's like it sounds
Speaker 3: sweet and it's better than going to prison. Let me
Speaker 3: make sure that's clear. But private home detention you got
Speaker 3: paid for. It's not state, so it's a little more strict.
Speaker 3: It's a little different. And then to be eighteen living
Speaker 3: your life as a eighteen year old at that time,
Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to have that level of responsibility
Speaker 3: for that long of a time. So I went in
Speaker 3: back in for violations and shit like that, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and ended up having to do the
Speaker 3: rest of my bid what they call up the road
Speaker 3: in state prison, where they basically it's sweeter, it's fun
Speaker 3: more fun and more livable than jail. But that's where
Speaker 3: the real hyenas be at. That's where the real extortion happens.
Speaker 3: That's where the Aryan Brotherhood and all that type of
Speaker 3: shit is over there. And you have to know how
Speaker 3: to navigate gang culture. That's why this music industry is
Speaker 3: a piece of cake to me. These niggas ain't you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like I really had to be
Speaker 3: in that situation and navigate that as a nineteen twenty
Speaker 3: year old my niggas, like I had to be. I
Speaker 3: was a tutor, so I help people get their ged.
Speaker 3: So every off bucks, everybody fuck with me, yeah, like
Speaker 3: off that. And I used to cut niggas here. I
Speaker 3: used to have a blade and a comb. Imagine they
Speaker 3: catch me with it, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: I'm in the back cutting niggas here for two dollars
Speaker 3: soups like nigga two packs of noodles, hitting niggas with
Speaker 3: the shape up like all that. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: that's what that was where I was at with it.
Speaker 3: I hustled, I did what I had to do, got
Speaker 3: to fuck out that joint man like. So that's why
Speaker 3: I say this shit. I could see niggas when they
Speaker 3: really that, when they're really not that, like when they
Speaker 3: are scared, you learn how to sense fear, Like you
Speaker 3: could see a nigga heart being like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, You could feel it. And and one thing
Speaker 3: I definitely never do is take.
Speaker 1: Advantage of people's fear. I just try to.
Speaker 3: Make niggas, you know, call niggas down, like, Yo, I'm
Speaker 3: not a bad person.
Speaker 1: We good, We can get through certain shit.
Speaker 3: It's just when niggas trying to act like they you know,
Speaker 3: act like I'm scared because I'm being nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just that something that happens parton of the Vlad question.
Speaker 5: But just since you you know, you mentioned it on
Speaker 5: the mixtape, what was the Christmas Eve body that they
Speaker 5: try to put on you? O?
Speaker 2: God, you did not commit that.
Speaker 1: Has a whole other thing.
Speaker 2: That's you wrapped about it.
Speaker 1: The only reason why?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no fair And and you know that's come
Speaker 3: up quite a few times that particular conversation of what
Speaker 3: I was saying. I want to make sure it's very
Speaker 3: clear a lot of that was based off of imagination
Speaker 3: and exaggerating whatever the scenario is to explain the effects
Speaker 3: of karma, right, like going through all this shit, getting
Speaker 3: away with everything thinking I'm and then come back and
Speaker 3: now I got charged with shit I didn't even do.
Speaker 3: I did have a situation where some charges came up.
Speaker 3: We don't even talk about the charges, but they came up. Bro,
Speaker 3: I was in my cell and they're like, yo, you're
Speaker 3: getting moved to Virginia. Like Virginia. They put me in
Speaker 3: a bullpen. I'm like, in a bullpen? Like, what did
Speaker 3: I do in Virginia. I don't even be in Virginia
Speaker 3: like that. It's the DMV.
Speaker 1: And so they said I had my niggas.
Speaker 3: So they said I had some charges, and I thought about,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And I remember the only time in
Speaker 3: my life I ever got robbed. I was fucking wrong
Speaker 3: with these niggas and them niggas was.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. That was the day I realized I
Speaker 1: didn't have.
Speaker 3: A certain level of fear, meaning I want to get
Speaker 3: a little bit into the story, like I'm chilling.
Speaker 1: You know. In the DMV, niggas wear ski masks. That's
Speaker 1: like a thing.
Speaker 3: So I see a nigga the ski mask and I'm
Speaker 3: with somebody who's supposed to beat him, right, And I
Speaker 3: remember seeing a nigga, but I ain't really think much
Speaker 3: of it. And I remember nigga came up to the car.
Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, bro, I got a gun to
Speaker 3: my neck and they're like, what a coke at with
Speaker 3: a coke at? And I'm like, I don't got nothing
Speaker 3: to do with none of that, bro, But I know
Speaker 3: the nigga that I'm around. They certain shit.
Speaker 4: You said, I'm a K two guy.
Speaker 3: They into shit, They into certain shit. I had have
Speaker 3: got out with my first bid. This was me trying
Speaker 3: to figure out my life. I sold a like in
Speaker 3: pala ss, so I had like six bands on me.
Speaker 3: I remember feeling that money in the moment. The first
Speaker 3: thing I thought is whatever this nigga needs, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: just give him to him.
Speaker 1: It's not worth my life.
Speaker 3: So he's got the gun with a coke at that
Speaker 3: it does so and then he proceeds to try to
Speaker 3: rob me.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I do this thing where I get on the ground
Speaker 3: and this is a car right here, and I start
Speaker 3: feeling in my pockets and my nigga when I said
Speaker 3: I think the six bands was right here. I have
Speaker 3: a couple of dollars right here, and I have my
Speaker 3: wallet right here. I was about to give him everything,
Speaker 3: and then I realized, Man, I felt them six that
Speaker 3: six bands. I'm like, I'm not giving this nigga this money, bro.
Speaker 3: So what I did was fast, right, So I'm like this,
Speaker 3: I'm moving my body underneath the car a little bit
Speaker 3: right here, and I'm like giving them money out of here.
Speaker 1: Boom, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Throwing the other pocket, changing some more shit, and I'm
Speaker 3: like the wallet two, like the wallet two nigga all
Speaker 3: except meanwhile, I'm pulling this money out of here and
Speaker 3: I'm doing this and I pull it, put it into
Speaker 3: the car and I shi me out and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I ain't got nothing else. And he goes over to
Speaker 3: the other nigga and this nigga crying and some more
Speaker 3: ship like this nigga I got kid like it, but
Speaker 3: the ugly cry like and I remember in that moment,
Speaker 3: like looking at this nigga supposed to be not that. Listen, man,
Speaker 3: you can cry if you're getting right, you might lose
Speaker 3: your life. I'm not gonna but I just ain't expect
Speaker 3: we're gonna live.
Speaker 2: So you could do it in the moment.
Speaker 3: You could cry, but nah, So that that shit happened
Speaker 3: and ship and dumb and uh. And that's why I
Speaker 3: realized I didn't have a certain level of fear. I
Speaker 3: was like, I got I still had that money, nigga,
Speaker 3: I still got there. That's what you focused on that
Speaker 3: which bands on the car so boom. So that's the
Speaker 3: segway to that story. But back to what the original thing.
Speaker 3: So myne social security was in that wallet. So when
Speaker 3: that ship came up, I'm like, man, what if they
Speaker 3: got me for my social and diss and wild ship?
Speaker 3: And oh okay, now I'm getting hit for that. And
Speaker 3: it was a serious ass charge. It was a very serious.
Speaker 1: Charge, luckily more serious than the ship.
Speaker 3: I was in there for it. Luckily they never moved me.
Speaker 3: They were like, it's there's a mishap, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was like, shore relieved.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm like, I'm never getting out like at this
Speaker 3: point because even if you because if you get a body,
Speaker 3: you still got to being in court for like a
Speaker 3: year fighting that year.
Speaker 1: Yeah hell yeah. And I'm like that's what this sucks about.
Speaker 3: It even if you ain't do the shit, if they
Speaker 3: got enough evidence or believe they have enough evidence I
Speaker 3: being there four minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely no yet.
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Speaker 2: and Virginia. Let's talk about sub suburban trap. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I liked that. I liked that that that that term.
Speaker 2: How did you come up with creating that name or
Speaker 2: that sound?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Trap.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting when I first got out the well,
Speaker 3: when I got out the last time from actual prison,
Speaker 3: there was this thing in my mind where I just
Speaker 3: wanted to just be like a normal guy, normal scenario,
Speaker 3: like like I did whatever was in my past. I
Speaker 3: wanted that so far away from me. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come out rapping, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about nothing about being locked up, none of that shit,
Speaker 3: And I just want to separate myself from anything that
Speaker 3: could be considered street. So I grew up in the
Speaker 3: suburbs the way PG County is set up Maryland. If
Speaker 3: you don't go to a private school, you still go
Speaker 3: to school in the hood with the hood. That's mostly
Speaker 3: the scenario. Or if you go to a school like
Speaker 3: in like let's say Booh for instance, it's a lot
Speaker 3: of niggas who come from certain areas that end up
Speaker 3: going to that school. So it's like, weirdly still bad.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying, like, shit just still go down.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I wanted to create this thing
Speaker 3: that made it very clear that I come from this
Speaker 3: and at this time, I'm not trying to talk about
Speaker 3: anything that I did, going to jail all that shit.
Speaker 3: I was just talking about, Look, man, I'm just this
Speaker 3: nigga that's hustling, songing, we trying to make music work.
Speaker 3: And that was what the suburban trap thing came from.
Speaker 3: And I created these little characters, like all these different
Speaker 3: people that represented people that I did meet along the way,
Speaker 3: being behind bars, things like that. But I wanted to
Speaker 3: make sure that my story was very clearly not that,
Speaker 3: And so I talked about college a lot, trying to
Speaker 3: go to college. I barely went, but like that's what
Speaker 3: I put like, you know, more in the music. And
Speaker 3: that's that's how subject that actually changed my life. That
Speaker 3: project when it came out.
Speaker 5: You mentioned your plan A and plan B written down.
Speaker 5: What did you want to do INSTEADY plan performing.
Speaker 3: But Plan B was like a registered nurse and plan A.
Speaker 2: You can't just say registered no, no, they do. But
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting like not registered nurse.
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to do because my mom was
Speaker 3: saying ship like that and you can make a lot
Speaker 3: of money.
Speaker 1: And the other thing was she was talking about it.
Speaker 3: So I was planning a trunk to get in I
Speaker 3: t When I went back to school at PG Community,
Speaker 3: I was trying to do computer science and learned that
Speaker 3: aspect and and that was my planning and my plan
Speaker 3: B RAP was in the plan in the diagram I drew.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the end all be all. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to I was just trying.
Speaker 3: To get a good job, man, knowing that I got felting,
Speaker 3: and I was just trying to like figure it out,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, That's really all it was.
Speaker 2: Now I was texting Rory about this this this project,
Speaker 2: and and listening to it, uh the last two days
Speaker 2: like just on repeat. I haven't. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: enjoyed a rap project like this in a very long
Speaker 2: time like this, this had. This reminds me of how
Speaker 2: I felt when when Mock dropped Pray for Haiti. M hm,
Speaker 2: obviously you got conducted on this, so that DNA is
Speaker 2: is there. I'm a I was. I came up in
Speaker 2: the in the in the in the nineties. I'm an
Speaker 2: eighties baby god. So this is this reminds me of
Speaker 2: I felt the Far Side. I felt Tribe got you,
Speaker 2: I felt you know that whole era of nineties rap
Speaker 2: hip hop was that like making this album? Was that
Speaker 2: the intent was that the feeling, the vibe, the energy
Speaker 2: that you was aiming for or was this something that
Speaker 2: just happened, Because this is definitely like real rap hip
Speaker 2: hop every level, the music, the bars. You set a
Speaker 2: line in there, like I love when rappers say a
Speaker 2: line that I never heard. You say, cutting corners like
Speaker 2: a picnic sandwich. I've never heard I've never heard rap
Speaker 2: like that. So when I heard that, I was like,
Speaker 2: hold on. Not only is the music incredible, but whenever
Speaker 2: a rapper says things that I never heard any other
Speaker 2: rappers say, I'm impressed you know, it's hard to create
Speaker 2: new things and new sounds and things like that. So
Speaker 2: just the music and the rapping and the bars, and
Speaker 2: then the intention and then just everything all together. I
Speaker 2: was really impressed with this, and I told Ry, I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe that this album has not
Speaker 2: been in my rotation. It's a mixtape. Yeah, it's a mixtape.
Speaker 2: Like and again, you know, mixtape is just a name, right,
Speaker 2: But there is something that is a difference in as
Speaker 2: far as in creation with artists that it's a different
Speaker 2: type of freedom when you're creating an album versus the mixtape.
Speaker 2: But this, this, this, this is like some of the
Speaker 2: best rapping, one of the best projects that I think
Speaker 2: we've had in a very long man. So I had
Speaker 2: to I had to come in here and salute you
Speaker 2: for that. But like, what was the intention of did
Speaker 2: you feel like I want to I want to go
Speaker 2: for this energy, this vibe, golden era of rap hip
Speaker 2: hop or you just being I DK.
Speaker 1: I think I was being I d K.
Speaker 3: More than anything, I let production dictate what I do,
Speaker 3: and I think I was this I d K the
Speaker 3: artist and this IDKA the producer. And I think that
Speaker 3: when I put the records together. Then that started coming out.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, especially the first half of the record
Speaker 3: the project, I was thinking more like like fifty cent
Speaker 3: fifty cent and g unit. Reason being, I'm by myself
Speaker 3: for the most part. I got my peoples and that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't belong to no subculture, no community or rap.
Speaker 3: I'm cool with everybody, but I'm like a loaner. Sometimes
Speaker 3: people even think I think I'm better than them. I
Speaker 3: could tell the energy. I've heard people say that and
Speaker 3: they ain't even like that. It's just it's like went
Speaker 3: back to just being being locked up when I would
Speaker 3: At first people didn't know how to read me, and
Speaker 3: I actually actually liked that. I like when people can't
Speaker 3: read me. I remember Og came up to me. I
Speaker 3: had to be here all that shit, and he's like, man,
Speaker 3: I still can't put my finger on you. Man, I
Speaker 3: can't read you. And the reason why he said that
Speaker 3: is because I will be quiet and then next thing
Speaker 3: you know, I'm cooking somebody or making fun of somebody
Speaker 3: how they dress or whatever the like.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
Speaker 3: So they he was like he came up to me
Speaker 3: because after that he was like, I thought she was
Speaker 3: the quiet nigga. Now you get brows the niggas and shit.
Speaker 3: He was like, I can't put my figure on you.
Speaker 3: And I always move with that because I always like
Speaker 3: to look at the room, see what everybody on.
Speaker 1: See who's who.
Speaker 3: That's the loud nigga right there, that's the quiet dude
Speaker 3: over there, This nigga I'm not really sure about.
Speaker 1: Let me see.
Speaker 3: And I think in the rap industry, I inherently just
Speaker 3: do that. So if someone's really quiet, I'm more loud.
Speaker 3: If someone's really loud, I'm really quiet. I'm just paying attention.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. This is like interesting. So
Speaker 3: I think because of that, I felt like I was
Speaker 3: a loner. And then it's just like bro, it's just
Speaker 3: certain niggas be trying to style on niggas like say that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, bro, listen, man, I asked you for
Speaker 3: this whatever record or whatever whatever we're doing. Don't try
Speaker 3: to act like you better than me or cooler than me.
Speaker 3: Like I understand you where you at.
Speaker 2: That's industry, though, Yeah, that's just industry.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I think about this shit. All this
Speaker 1: shit is like high school.
Speaker 3: I know the type of nigga I was in high school,
Speaker 3: but I was a certain type of nigga. I got
Speaker 3: niggas from high school with me.
Speaker 1: Right, ain't now.
Speaker 3: I wasn't the type of nigga like you do that
Speaker 3: kind of ship too. I wasn't the type of nigga
Speaker 3: that wasn't cool. They didn't get no hold none of
Speaker 3: that ship. Like I was a certain type of nigga
Speaker 3: in high school. And I look at certain niggas, I
Speaker 3: know what type of niggas they was in high school,
Speaker 3: but they got a little bit of you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and they move like that's who they are.
Speaker 3: I could tell, and I'm like, I get offended by that.
Speaker 3: Nah bro' this you that were cool, but you don't
Speaker 3: got a style on me. I'm good at what I
Speaker 3: do and for my resources and never being a part
Speaker 3: of a big community that catapulted me. I figured it out.
Speaker 3: So listen the features on this, but let's just run.
Speaker 5: Through it real quick before you while you're looking them up.
Speaker 5: I had said to mol earlier today, I think you
Speaker 5: outshine the features, which are kind of a very difficult
Speaker 5: thing to do with the type of features.
Speaker 1: That you are.
Speaker 2: I appreciate I mean, black Thought did go, Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 5: But to still have the presence that you have next
Speaker 5: to a Push or next to a Black Thought takes
Speaker 5: a different level of talent because usually when people suspect
Speaker 5: these types of features, you end up kind of like
Speaker 5: that's the highlight of the project, which I feel like
Speaker 5: you're the star on every song even with the features,
Speaker 5: which to me is very difficult to do.
Speaker 1: Nah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: That's where a lot of I think rappers fuck up,
Speaker 5: especially if they signed to a major and now get
Speaker 5: the opportunity to have all these crazy features, like well,
Speaker 5: now your album is feature presentation, Like now this album
Speaker 5: is dictated based off other people.
Speaker 4: No one's really gonna connect with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what, to that point, it is interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, I look at like odd Future.
Speaker 1: For instance, I remember when I first heard about the.
Speaker 3: Future from a Double Xcel magazine in the South, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, these niggas look as weird as shit. Tyler
Speaker 3: are created, these niggas on some demonic shit, Like I
Speaker 3: don't really like you know what I'm saying, Like when
Speaker 3: you like, when you're around like certain people, that shit
Speaker 3: is weird to you. I didn't grow up really on that.
Speaker 3: So when I seen it, I thought it was weird.
Speaker 3: But then when I started seeing them like afterwards, and
Speaker 3: obviously Tyler's has done stuff on albums and shit like that.
Speaker 3: For me, like I started to get it more when
Speaker 3: I got out more, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: went to school, there's like two white people. The whole
Speaker 3: school was like all black, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I only knew one thing. So the interesting part
Speaker 3: of that is I see that they had a movement
Speaker 3: and they did their thing. I realized I thought I
Speaker 3: needed a co sign up until like twenty seventeen, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: you know j I d is with JJ, Cole and them,
Speaker 3: and they stamping them. And then you see Kendrick came
Speaker 3: in with Dre when he really came in. He came
Speaker 3: in with Dre, and then Cole came in with Hole.
Speaker 3: I lay a little bit of ho Kanye with Hole.
Speaker 3: Then Big Sean came from Kanye, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: Nikki Wayne.
Speaker 1: All that shit Dwayne.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, there's always been people passionate torture,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, I had gotten a deal from
Speaker 3: Good Music at some point but I didn't want to
Speaker 3: do it because I'm like, is Kanye going to be
Speaker 3: back at me? And it didn't sound like he was
Speaker 3: gonna be too deep into the you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I'm just like And then it got to a
Speaker 3: point where I had to just go back to the
Speaker 3: mentality I always had. It's like, I can't make that happen.
Speaker 3: I have to do what I can on my own.
Speaker 3: That's when I went to Adult Swim with an idea.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, I got this project, but I
Speaker 3: want all the songs to sound like they could be
Speaker 3: on Adult Swim. The only reason why that worked out
Speaker 3: is because when I dropped a project called empty Bank.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: When I say Crickets, it was a second. It was
Speaker 3: right after Subtrat. I dropped Empty Bank, and I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that's going to change my life, and it was Crickets.
Speaker 1: Nobody was really fucking with it like that.
Speaker 3: Nobody I experienced, Oh, this thing doesn't just keep going
Speaker 3: up because you consistently put out music or even better music.
Speaker 3: That's not how that works. It's about attention. And I
Speaker 3: was crushed by that. And one thing happened that was
Speaker 3: probably the most important thing. One of the most immotant
Speaker 3: things in my career. The guy who created, directed and
Speaker 3: created Tunami and Cartoon and Adults Swim. He tweeted about
Speaker 3: the album how much he loved it. So we had
Speaker 3: a relationship and that's why when I had the idea,
Speaker 3: I was like, hey man, I got this idea, and
Speaker 3: then he was like, I'm gonna get behind you. That's
Speaker 3: when I started realizing that's the coast signs I gotta
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't be waiting on no other rapper
Speaker 3: to come fuck with me this and then give me
Speaker 3: a bad deal on top of that and it may
Speaker 3: not work.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, fuck it, I'm gonna fuck
Speaker 1: with Adult Swim.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fuck with this brand that makes sense for
Speaker 3: what I And then they helped market my ship to
Speaker 3: an audience, and Adult Swim is the kind of what
Speaker 3: kicked off me having like a cult following, Like they
Speaker 3: were the ones that really like did that for me.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, that far, No, those those I completely agree.
Speaker 5: Those coat signs are more important for your solo because
Speaker 5: even like I mean, of course Sean did just fine,
Speaker 5: but he just signed the good music. When Yea's coming off,
Speaker 5: Ada waits and heartbreaks going into My Beautiful arguably his peak,
Speaker 5: You're not going to be the biggest part. You'll get
Speaker 5: a look like he's on the bonus track on uh
Speaker 5: might be darks with a Fantasy, which I'm sure helped,
Speaker 5: but his real co signs because I was in the
Speaker 5: building at Deaf Jam at that time. That was him
Speaker 5: networking with the building. That wasn't a Kanye thing like
Speaker 5: he really put in. He had to go put the
Speaker 5: working Kanye rightfully, so it is focused on his career world.
Speaker 5: I can't sit here and put together the entire like
Speaker 5: Yay took a break for a second to do the
Speaker 5: push Tiana nas like. That's when he's like, I'm stopping
Speaker 5: what I'm doing, right and I can focus on producing
Speaker 5: other other people ship. But at that time, now you
Speaker 5: signed good music though those guys at the height of
Speaker 5: his career, right right, yeah, I mean, how many Kanye
Speaker 5: beats are even on Finally Famous.
Speaker 1: Right right? Right?
Speaker 5: No, that's one right, First of all, Marvin Gay and
Speaker 5: I was in the office Sean had I think it
Speaker 5: was the bait store. Sean had shut down the entire
Speaker 5: street and soho, and that's when Kanye and it's not
Speaker 5: a slight to Kanye. I'm just telling the truth or whatever.
Speaker 5: Kanye in the building took notice, like wait, wait, Big
Speaker 5: Sean booked the bag store by himself, shut the whole blockdown.
Speaker 5: Cops had to come, like there was too many kids
Speaker 5: out there. That was the day that Ya was like,
Speaker 5: I'll get on Marvin game shortener.
Speaker 2: This kid got something hit somebody. It's a certain respect
Speaker 2: that you got to demand for yourself.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and again it's not a slight to Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's got his own ship going on. That's why it's
Speaker 5: just tough for artists, which Maul always makes a great
Speaker 5: point with Wayne. Wayne at the peak of his career
Speaker 5: stepping aside, putting his ego to the side to help
Speaker 5: Nicky and Drake and Tiger and everyone was that's the
Speaker 5: rarest thing that does not have ever like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got that's self confidence though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I was getting pussy since high school confidence right right,
Speaker 3: Like he had start he was, yeah, nah, real ship though,
Speaker 3: like that ship rubs off on you in a certain
Speaker 3: way when you move a certain way, Like I could
Speaker 3: do shit like that where my eyes closed if I
Speaker 3: ever had an artist like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and the other thing is you just explained something that's
Speaker 3: really important that a lot of people don't understand how
Speaker 3: to maximize opportunity. Niggas be playing games out here like nigga,
Speaker 3: I don't play with this shit like I do this shit.
Speaker 3: I love this shit, man, I'm about this life I made.
Speaker 3: I made myself focus on this thing to get where
Speaker 3: I needed to get to, like Bro like same, that
Speaker 3: same album that kind of flopped for me, my nigga.
Speaker 3: The one thing another thing that happened Dave Free. Dave
Speaker 3: Free was like, that shit is fire. I'm gonna put
Speaker 3: you on tour with Isaiah Shad. I think Peter Rosenberg
Speaker 3: sent it to him and he was like, I can't lie.
Speaker 3: That's that's I confront that's fire, and he put me
Speaker 3: on tour with isaiahs Shod. I got like a bunch
Speaker 3: of bro. I had no money. My mom had just
Speaker 3: passed away. I used the life insurance money bro to
Speaker 3: pay for that my last ten thousand mile my only time.
Speaker 3: That's the most money I've ever got in my life
Speaker 3: at that time, and dollars I got from that shit.
Speaker 3: I fucking I was about to try to get a
Speaker 3: little van with it, and shit, They're like, no, I
Speaker 3: just rant a spriinner, you know. And I think it
Speaker 3: was a rush card that gave me a little bit
Speaker 3: of money to do.
Speaker 1: Remember Rush Card, It's crazy they gave me writing.
Speaker 4: I had to have people sign up every great idea
Speaker 4: in theory, yeah, I had to.
Speaker 1: Have people sign up.
Speaker 3: But that's the dedication, Like my last you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying for my mom my blessing, like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's that's something that people that
Speaker 5: separates what I've seen.
Speaker 4: In the fifteen years I've been doing this shit.
Speaker 5: When shot Money allowed me in the building, I was
Speaker 5: not expecting Shot Money to then guide me to every
Speaker 5: next pillar. You allowed me in the building, I'm going
Speaker 5: to maximize every last thing that since you gave me
Speaker 5: a key card. I'm talking to everybody in this fucking building.
Speaker 5: I'm going to get to know everyone. I'm gonna try
Speaker 5: to figure out how I can help with everyone. I
Speaker 5: think rappers lose that mentality too sometimes when you get
Speaker 5: signed to say a jay Z all right, go get
Speaker 5: to know Sherry, go get to know the entire team.
Speaker 5: Someone's giving you opportunity that doesn't mean they're going to
Speaker 5: lead you to the fucking water. They just allowed you
Speaker 5: in the building. Now it is your time to go
Speaker 5: do something. I watched Sean talk to everybody in marketing.
Speaker 5: He was asking assistance to help him out with stuff
Speaker 5: like people that were twenty years old making forty five
Speaker 5: thousand dollars Big Sean was nobody. Oh, some of those
Speaker 5: people are stilling his team to this day. Like, that's
Speaker 5: what you need to do. When you're giving a small opportunity,
Speaker 5: how can you maximize it for yourself? That work across
Speaker 5: with everybody. That's where rappers fuck up too. There's still
Speaker 5: a business at the end of the day. I'm still
Speaker 5: of the belief that creative should be able to be
Speaker 5: left alone and be creatives. But it's twenty twenty six, Like,
Speaker 5: you have to be able to manage yourself to some
Speaker 5: degree as well, because no one's gonna get your creativity
Speaker 5: better than you are. You need to explain that to
Speaker 5: pr you need to explain that to marketing. Your manager
Speaker 5: can only do so much in that repard. You got
Speaker 5: to have those relationships. And let's not act like, especially
Speaker 5: people that work in music don't have some type of
Speaker 5: vain star mentality as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to talk to the artists.
Speaker 5: They'll work harder for you if you get to know them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like they want to talk to artists. That's why they
Speaker 5: got in the businesses to work with artists. So if
Speaker 5: manager's cool, I get it. But if you're not putting
Speaker 5: in a thousand hours the way you did with the
Speaker 5: guy from Adult Swim, like that means something he liked
Speaker 5: your project. He ain't like your pr agent's project through you, right,
Speaker 5: Like you got to talk to these people.
Speaker 4: And I think that's where artists suck up a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think niggas just be just man so used to
Speaker 3: getting they dick suck and they just don't know nah
Speaker 3: and just be like bro, they forget that they're human
Speaker 3: and sometimes so they just be trying to like they
Speaker 3: expect to.
Speaker 1: Have everybody.
Speaker 3: It's like, listen, look, I think Gay said this, the
Speaker 3: day you become famous, you stop growing. So you're whatever
Speaker 3: age you are, that's you're going to be the rest
Speaker 3: of your life until you're not famous anymore or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that's stuck with me because it's like the niggas
Speaker 3: like babies and ship like like crying about certain ship.
Speaker 3: Like it's like even like reviews and stuff like niggas
Speaker 3: hear a reviewer like Charlomagne said something about he said,
Speaker 3: black thought bodied you bro body. He was saying this
Speaker 3: ship on on Breakfast Club about the Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know what's funny, he thought the nigga singing was me.
Speaker 3: So he said, I ain't gonna cut it. He didn't
Speaker 3: hear my verse, hear the peece so so, so he's
Speaker 3: saying this and I just said, man, thank you for
Speaker 3: even reacting to the joint like I DMN. He just
Speaker 3: DM me yesterday like on some like Yo, it's all
Speaker 3: up like but you know that wasn't me that you
Speaker 3: you thought that was me singing. That wasn't me singing,
Speaker 3: Like but see how that like that could have been, like.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I could have missed that.
Speaker 5: Also on top of that, like you brought up Peter Rosenberg.
Speaker 5: I remember when jay Z was on want Epstein and
Speaker 5: they brought up the the nas line Eminem killed you
Speaker 5: on your own ship, and Hoe was like, while I
Speaker 5: don't don't agree with that, would I not want that's
Speaker 5: my album?
Speaker 2: I'd want an amazing Eminem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: Of course, but like you don't think I want a
Speaker 5: good verse from my album?
Speaker 1: And you know.
Speaker 3: What what I did say? What also is great about that?
Speaker 3: I talked to Tari Black thought we was in the studio,
Speaker 3: me and him, Erica and pause from Daylight sou and
Speaker 3: he literally I was like, man, I did that verse,
Speaker 3: but man, you came with George, like you really because
Speaker 3: I was biging him up.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, but you dropped a bunch of names
Speaker 4: down there.
Speaker 1: With yeah. But I mean.
Speaker 3: Be around that that type of energy, it's amazing. We
Speaker 3: were talking about eight tracks. I was trying to understand
Speaker 3: how shi it was when they was growing up. They
Speaker 3: never understood the h fact that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: I was talking about guy.
Speaker 3: Had beefing anybody before and they had some crazy interesting stories.
Speaker 1: Erica was amazing. She played a.
Speaker 3: Very amazing project that I can't wait for that ship
Speaker 3: to come out.
Speaker 5: If it's the one I think talking about this the one.
Speaker 4: I don't understand why it's not.
Speaker 1: It's really good, it's.
Speaker 4: Incredible, it's almost too it's really actually like, yeah, this
Speaker 4: even the.
Speaker 2: Devil Smiles e TDS Mixtape by I d K listen, man,
Speaker 2: I just want to thank you for this project, because
Speaker 2: this is like such a refreshing just vibe energy to
Speaker 2: here raps in music like this. Man, It's like we
Speaker 2: don't like we were sold off mic like they don't.
Speaker 2: People don't put the effort into music as much as
Speaker 2: they use it. They don't have the intention, the attention
Speaker 2: to detail as much. People just want to get an album
Speaker 2: done and get it out. But this this, this this
Speaker 2: project from top to bottom. Bro, I mean, push your
Speaker 2: t black thought, no I d conduct, which we don't
Speaker 2: even dmx.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: This is just I don't I just I can't stop
Speaker 2: talking about I started listening to this. Definitely one of
Speaker 2: my favorite projects in the last time in many years.
Speaker 2: And this is the type of album that we should
Speaker 2: be talking about Roy, Like everybody want talk about these
Speaker 2: other artists and shout out to other though I don't
Speaker 2: want to hurt Bravado. Yeah, I'm gonna say, but this
Speaker 2: to me is like to have this now, you know,
Speaker 2: Like and we said this year twenty twenty six, We've
Speaker 2: gotten a lot of good music so far, but this
Speaker 2: is one of the albums or problem mixtapes that I
Speaker 2: think everybody should be playing it because it's that incredible.
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, I'm not sure if there's
Speaker 5: something you want to advertise.
Speaker 4: But I thought I thought it was great.
Speaker 5: So by the time they hear this, your event in
Speaker 5: New York would have already passed.
Speaker 4: It is tonight.
Speaker 5: You were mentioning that there are fans that may not
Speaker 5: have the means to come to your show. You can
Speaker 5: write in letters to get free tickets. I thought that
Speaker 5: was like a really cool that you were doing. How
Speaker 5: long you been doing that?
Speaker 3: I think I did it before one other time, the
Speaker 3: last time I went and did a couple of shows.
Speaker 1: I just think, like a lot of people, I think.
Speaker 3: The world is an interesting place, and I think that
Speaker 3: a lot of people are trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to escape where we're at. And I like for my
Speaker 3: shows to be and my music to be an aid
Speaker 3: to that. But then some people just ain't got it
Speaker 3: like that right now, I've heard I saw people talking
Speaker 3: about they lost their family and financially since then they
Speaker 3: ain't been good. They had to cover the funeral, and
Speaker 3: they just asking for tickets. They just asking for tickets, gee, Like,
Speaker 3: so I give them the ticket and a meeting and
Speaker 3: greet for free.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, it's.
Speaker 3: Just like if you if it's if you're willing to
Speaker 3: write a letter about it, you care.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If I can do that,
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 3: And I have great fans to where some of them
Speaker 3: are buying tickets for other people. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: which I thought was really special as well. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: just really that. It's really that, but hopefully nobody abuses it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, right, let me get some tickets And
Speaker 5: I got you right, That's why, Like I mean, I
Speaker 5: guess we could say now since we're on the topic
Speaker 5: ball and I have done that a lot with people
Speaker 5: that have DMed us or even people on our discord
Speaker 5: that just buy regular tickets get great no matter what.
Speaker 5: We just haven't advertised it because I just don't want
Speaker 5: my dms to be all eight hundred people at the
Speaker 5: show say.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right, right right right.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's definitely a special thing that I admire.
Speaker 1: Thank you that I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Is there anything we can expect for?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 5: This is this will be out by the time the
Speaker 5: show is over. But yeah, what's the show look like tonight?
Speaker 1: This one.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna do strictly what's on this record, So
Speaker 3: it's like, it's the show you would have normally done
Speaker 3: right when the record comes out for fans, but you know,
Speaker 3: we wasn't expecting certain things or whatever, so we ended
Speaker 3: up putting it together fairly last minute and putting it
Speaker 3: this at the time, and that made sense. I was
Speaker 3: gonna be out here for fouling and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: so that's what happened. But but the great part of
Speaker 3: it is, I'm just gonna give them this record.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: There could be something later on where I do this
Speaker 3: and all the other stuff and and probably something new,
Speaker 3: but for this, what to expect is learn them words,
Speaker 3: say them words. Put that you know. That's that's what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do in New York and l a fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well, I DK man, We thank you
Speaker 2: for giving us some of your time.
Speaker 1: Man, we know you got a.
Speaker 2: Busy Thank you for this mixtape and incredible project fam
Speaker 2: And if you haven't heard it, I don't know what
Speaker 2: you're listening to, but turn that ship off, turned on
Speaker 2: E T d S. This ship is incredible We're gonna
Speaker 2: hopefully see you soon next time when you're running New York.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm that nigga. He's just Jinger. That's I. D K
Speaker 2: E T D is available now.
Speaker 1: Yes,