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Speaker 1: Last time on OBSCURUM: Invasion of the Drones. It was

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Speaker 2: Went road underneath us.

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Speaker 3: He tried to count the number of objects with the

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Speaker 3: same white pattern. Were these things drones? Said, well, I

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Speaker 3: couldn't tell for sure, and that location is probably about

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Speaker 3: ten miles east of Denver International Airport. Do you feel it.

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Speaker 4: Could be some type of government agency or foreign power

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Speaker 3: I can't answer that.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks had passed since the task force meeting in Brush,

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Speaker 1: Conversations about the mysterious aircraft continued to play out on

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Speaker 1: the local news. Reporters captured grainy videos of the strange lights,

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Speaker 1: but it was impossible to make any conclusions. I was

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Speaker 1: determined to figure out if any of the aircraft were

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Speaker 1: taking off and landing nearby. One night, I chased a

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Speaker 1: larger drone like object in my dad's pickup for twenty miles. Now,

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Speaker 1: big white one looks like it's coming closer.

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Speaker 5: They are all over.

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Speaker 1: There's another one right directly above me, to my left.

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Speaker 1: It was shaped like an egg and had a spherical

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Speaker 1: white light even as i'd take back roads to gain ground,

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Speaker 1: it was always ahead of me. I plotted my next

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Speaker 1: move and began texting with Chris, who i'd met after

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Speaker 1: his wife Sarah, spotted a large aircraft hovering outside the

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Speaker 1: that we get together in person. Chapter nine, Dark Shadows.

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Speaker 1: One of the first people to ever spot these aircrafts

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Speaker 1: is driving about forty feet in front of me. The

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Speaker 1: dust kicked up off the tires of Chris's pickup hauling

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Speaker 1: closely behind him. Chris has a tall, athletic build in

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Speaker 1: chiseled jawline. He had a ball cap on him. You

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Speaker 1: could tell he probably played sports back in the day.

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Speaker 1: We walked over to a clearing near the edge of

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Speaker 6: I've burned my trash and after we'd opened to our

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Speaker 6: So I just took out to trash burrel and lit

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Speaker 6: it and had quite the fire going. It was pretty

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Speaker 6: late at night again, and I went up to our office,

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Speaker 6: which is like in the second story. I was just

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Speaker 6: lights that I could see it glowing off the tin

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Speaker 6: as soon as I opened the garage door, there was

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Speaker 6: just it took off.

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Speaker 4: It was unroum.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think the drone showed up when the

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Speaker 6: I think it. I think it picked up the heat

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Speaker 6: up from a long ways away. But that happened. That

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Speaker 6: I had a pretty good fire, and within fifteen minutes

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Speaker 6: was probably at least eight feet across. It was I mean,

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Speaker 6: it was intimidating. It gave you goosebumps. And he looked

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Speaker 6: at It's like, wow, didn't didn't know anything like that

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Speaker 6: just like, I'm just sound like a motor runner.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wrap my mind around why a drone would

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Speaker 6: I wanted to knock it down. All the Sheriff's apartment

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Speaker 6: kept saying was do not shoot, do not try to

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Speaker 6: just to see who would come pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Would anybody pick it up in risk being seen? If

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Speaker 1: Chris had experienced this, there could be others. Maybe his

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Speaker 1: He promptly cut me off mid sentence and informed me

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Speaker 1: details in a police report. Confused on where to turn,

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Speaker 1: I spent many hours going down the rabbit hole of

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Speaker 1: hoping to find a tip that may lead to a breakthrough.

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Speaker 1: One day, I woke up to a flurry of notifications.

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Speaker 1: Rod told me that he locked in on one specific

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Speaker 1: being seen. What puzzled him even more was that these

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Speaker 5: I set up off about a mile or two off

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Speaker 5: that site, and almost ninety nine percent of all my

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Speaker 5: really good videos of the orbs they come up off

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Speaker 5: the ground, and they come off up off that site.

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Speaker 5: That's where my setup is, and that's where I've had

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Speaker 5: the best look. You know, every time I go out.

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Speaker 1: There, based on obscure land formations he located with satellites.

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Speaker 1: He was convinced there was a sacred ancient site near

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Speaker 5: To me, it's like they showed up in big numbers,

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Speaker 5: but they've been here in the past.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know where this was going, but I was

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Speaker 1: highly skeptical, then intrigued. Wanted to explore the canyons and

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Speaker 5: The landowner was a definite no. Through other family members

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Speaker 5: his land one of my friends, she helped me get there. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: long story short, we found the homestead papers and then

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Speaker 5: traded him, gave him the homestead papers for his land,

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Speaker 5: and then we got permission to go on to the

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Speaker 5: the site, the strange thing about this there was the

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Speaker 5: variance of a temperature there. The farmer, like I said,

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Speaker 5: he was hid and want nothing to do with the site.

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Speaker 5: He told me that if one of his cows was

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 5: He just didn't have a bad feeling about the site

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Speaker 5: and didn't want no part of it. When we got there,

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Speaker 5: and when we got pulled up to the site that

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Speaker 5: at that side it was forty degrees hotter than where

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Speaker 5: we had stopped. You know, there's like a forty degree difference.

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Speaker 5: I've looked through binocular since then. When it's snowing, it'll

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Speaker 5: be snowing completely around that site, but it doesn't snow

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Speaker 5: right there at that site.

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Speaker 2: Very whare.

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Speaker 5: Of course, the landowner he wouldn't get out of his

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Speaker 5: pickup because he just that side spooked him. But his

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Speaker 5: wife was very curious about it. She went with me

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Speaker 5: and there was some pictographs different carvings on a bluff there,

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Speaker 5: and we were looking over those. There were a total

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Speaker 5: of seven owls and them our owls that I had

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Speaker 5: never seen the seen before. They were kind of a

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Speaker 5: I mean they looked like real living owls. Well, they

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Speaker 5: let her, the landowner's wife, get up pretty close and

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Speaker 5: she took pictures, trying to take pictures of him, and

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Speaker 5: she come running over to me. She goes, Roddy, they

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Speaker 5: don't show up on a camera. As we was looking

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Speaker 5: at some pictographs, a dark shadow swooped down over us,

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Speaker 5: which her husband was in the pickup, but scared him

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Speaker 5: for us, and she of course screamed, and it was

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Speaker 5: kind of this cold draft. It's hard to explain. They

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Speaker 5: just came right over. He swooped over as cattle took

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Speaker 5: off running, and he's told us to get to pick up,

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Speaker 5: and he he wouldn't love to look anymore. So then,

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Speaker 5: and of course I'll never get back on there again.

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Speaker 5: Probably whatever that black shadow was was in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: You wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: Rod was eccentric. I had no reason to believe that

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be truthful. Could there possibly be a connection

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Speaker 1: between the Land and Sky I members and Rod's drone

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Speaker 1: hunting group were now taking their investigative conversations to a

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Speaker 1: secret messenger chain. They had to be aware of his

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Speaker 1: personal research Chapter ten Silent Silhouettes. The realist in me

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Speaker 1: thought that if Froud Miller was seeing large numbers of

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Speaker 1: this localized event could be related to agriculture.

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Speaker 7: All right, good deal, I don't want you to do different.

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Speaker 1: A neighbor who lived close by introduced me to a

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Speaker 1: man named Jeff Wessel's. He was one of the few

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Speaker 1: and reminded me of one of those guys who's never

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Speaker 1: a stranger to anyone. What is your specific background. I

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Speaker 2: We do it for work.

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Speaker 7: We fly dji fnom fours and look around, take videos,

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Speaker 7: take pictures, and then we can show them to the

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Speaker 7: customer and say here's what we're seeing out in the field.

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Speaker 7: You know, even though we're not selling the information to

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Speaker 7: the customer, we're still being FAA certified UAV pilots so

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Speaker 7: that we don't get in.

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Speaker 2: Trouble for anything.

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Speaker 1: With Jeff's experience as a crop advisor, he'd know the

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Speaker 7: There'd have to be a lot of automation, or there

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Speaker 7: would It would take a tremendous amount of individuals. Somebody

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Speaker 7: has watched them. Obviously, I can guarantee you because in

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Speaker 7: a commercial aspect like the ones we fly, they won't

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Speaker 7: go over two miles away from the receiver, or they

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Speaker 7: will turn around and come back. I know they would

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Speaker 7: show up on radar as big as they are, they

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Speaker 7: would look like a flock of birds, for example, on radar.

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Speaker 7: And the FAA takes violation of airspace really seriously, so

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Speaker 7: I promise you they know. What I don't think anybody

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Speaker 7: will ever know.

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Speaker 1: Is what they're doing.

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Speaker 7: It was a year ago a big old snow storm,

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Speaker 7: you know, snow was piled up everywhere, and I thought,

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Speaker 7: all this would be really fun. I was at the

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Speaker 7: Grontomy office and I thought, well, I'm gonna launch it

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Speaker 7: out of the air and take pictures of all the

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Speaker 7: snow around there, not thinking about where I was, got

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Speaker 7: it all set up, got ready to go, and it

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Speaker 7: wouldn't launch it. Oh dudge aff. The airport is only

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Speaker 7: a mile away your way, inside the radius of the airports.

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Speaker 7: There's no way it will fly. So someone has got

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Speaker 7: permission from the FAA to do this, or they have

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Speaker 7: very sophisticated ways to override the fa rules that are

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Speaker 1: Jeff mentioned drones were used for surveys, but there had

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Speaker 1: with Michael Ott from ran Tizo.

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Speaker 2: We use drones to spray for agriculture and sanitization. We

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Speaker 2: can spray pesticides, insecticides, herbicides wherever they're needed in crop fields.

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Speaker 1: Growing up in the area, I was used to hearing

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Speaker 3: With the drones you use, what are the typical sizes.

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Speaker 2: The drone itself is maybe the size of a card table.

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Speaker 2: That's a good frame of reference for most people. And

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Speaker 2: then we put on a boom that extends out fourteen

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Speaker 2: feet and gives us a twenty foot swath as its spring.

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Speaker 2: There'd be very unusual reasons to be higher than twenty

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Speaker 2: feet about the crop. If you're doing an application.

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Speaker 4: Can you charge them wirelessly while they're in the air.

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Speaker 2: We have batteries and so when you're doing a job,

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Speaker 2: you'll bring multiple batteries, a charge are and a generator

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Speaker 4: How close can you get to an airport typically before

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Speaker 4: like you get a notification or a land If.

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Speaker 2: You get that authorization, you can fly much closer. Otherwise

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Speaker 2: a lot of them are no fly zones.

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Speaker 1: If the unexplained aircraft could be related to farming, I

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Speaker 1: wondered about climate. January in Nebraska is cold and the

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Speaker 4: Is there ever a time of year where you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be flying and putting these on some type of agricultural

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Speaker 2: I'd say it's a typical. I mean, if you don't

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Speaker 2: want to spray something on snowcover. But I think that'd

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Speaker 2: the people that were doing there had a legitimate agricultural purpose.

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Speaker 1: Hearing that from an expert helped me come to the

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Speaker 1: look into. I monitored cell phone tower video feeds and

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Speaker 1: scoured the web. During that third week of January, I

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Speaker 1: came across a link to a cryptic article. I visited

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Speaker 1: Sterling Colorado Journal Advocate with a headline that read drone

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Speaker 1: mystery solved, WHICHITA group may be responsible? The story centered

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Speaker 1: days later, a second article was published, this time in

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Speaker 1: the January twenty third issue of the Yuma Pioneer. An

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Speaker 1: editor's note stated that a man whom I began referring

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Speaker 1: to as Matthew Spencer was taking responsibility for the nighttime

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Speaker 1: drone sightings. Was confusing and didn't seem to be written

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Speaker 1: by a seasoned reporter. If Matthew had knowledge related to

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Speaker 1: the mystery, why was he choosing to speak after weeks

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Speaker 1: of sightings? I had to find him coming up on

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Speaker 1: obscure invasion of the drones.

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Speaker 8: I got an old saying, and I take it from Einstein.

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Speaker 8: The universe is not only stranger than you imagine, it's

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Speaker 8: stranger than you can't imagine. I take that straight dark.

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Speaker 1: There's cameras kind of all over the place.

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Speaker 7: So there could be physical manifestations that people could get sick.

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Speaker 8: You want to sit me down and say I had

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Speaker 8: lives going. You want the clearers to understanding, I think

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