Speaker 1: Carola, She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's only yes. Actually you got the snoop on the
Speaker 1: on the ones to side. No one can do with
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Speaker 1: like Carola is timple Carola. Hey, y'all, welcome to Hyper
Speaker 1: Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. I know music,
Speaker 1: I know people, and I know the questions do you
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Speaker 1: You guys, am so excited. Autumn houses in the house,
Speaker 1: you guys. Autumn is one of the most influential women
Speaker 1: in country music. Works at UMG in A and R,
Speaker 1: which is basically an A and R person, is one
Speaker 1: of the most crucial people the label. They find new artists,
Speaker 1: they discover new talent, get them signed. They work with
Speaker 1: artists on the label. They listen to songs for them,
Speaker 1: they pitch songs of them. They have a close relationship
Speaker 1: with songwriters and publishers in town to hear the hottest
Speaker 1: hit song right when it's written, to get it to
Speaker 1: the act to the artist. It is such a creative
Speaker 1: and important job. And Autumn has been doing it for
Speaker 1: sixteen years. She is such a badass. Her story is amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited here she is. Autumn Health the legend. Legend.
Speaker 1: Somebody sound old, Maybe you are a legend. Well, first off,
Speaker 1: your royalty because you're born into it. Your dad's Jerry House.
Speaker 1: He is the voice of w s i X, the
Speaker 1: biggest radio show and Nashville forever. That's your father. So
Speaker 1: you grew up being around country music, being around artists,
Speaker 1: being in this industry. Did that make you want to
Speaker 1: run for the hills originally? Or stick around and do it?
Speaker 1: That's so funny? Asked that way. Um, I think like
Speaker 1: any child, possibly, uh where you you know. I always
Speaker 1: joked that I never found my dad funny because he
Speaker 1: was my dad, but everyone always always and tell me
Speaker 1: how funny it was, and it was like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: not funny. And then of course as I got older,
Speaker 1: I appreciated how funny he was and is, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to college in Arizona, and I thought, I
Speaker 1: want to be in the entertainment business, probably not in radio.
Speaker 1: I want to leave Nashville, which is my hometown, and
Speaker 1: go out West and then I met a boy. Oh
Speaker 1: those boys, man, I know. And the boys gone, but
Speaker 1: I stayed in Nashville. And so the boy brought you
Speaker 1: back to Nashville. The boy brought me back to Nashville.
Speaker 1: It was thankful for that boy. Yes in some ways, yes,
Speaker 1: and then some ways, but um, yes, the boy's gone.
Speaker 1: And then I ended up just laying on the couch
Speaker 1: for about three months. This is right after college. And
Speaker 1: my dad said, um, are you going to get a job.
Speaker 1: You might want to get a job. And it occurred
Speaker 1: to me, Wait, I'm in Nashville and this town is amazing,
Speaker 1: and you know, my dad was also a songwriter, so
Speaker 1: it's like, well let me look into this, you know,
Speaker 1: music city, you know, just thriving of different opportunities. I
Speaker 1: started out in management. Oh how was management? Quickly decided
Speaker 1: that probably wasn't going to be my thing. What was
Speaker 1: the turning point? Well? Uh, I worked for mors Nannis
Speaker 1: and Stam Rst was my boss and mentor who I
Speaker 1: just adore. Um. He had Katie Oslin, Donna's summer, David
Speaker 1: Lee Murphy, Minnie McCready, and Laurie Morrigan. It's a full roster.
Speaker 1: And this is of course early nine or mid nineties. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, somebody had FedEx a duck, alive duck to
Speaker 1: Lorie Morgan and something they want to do with the duck,
Speaker 1: and the poor thing came like a FedEx. It was
Speaker 1: in a crate, had been FedEx and it was just
Speaker 1: covered and it was awful. So anyway, and they handed
Speaker 1: off to me, the new girl, like here, take care
Speaker 1: of this, and it was like, is this like normal?
Speaker 1: Was this what happens in management? I really don't think
Speaker 1: I want to take care of you know. So anyway
Speaker 1: I got to go duck to a farm. Duck is fine,
Speaker 1: and um, I just thought this is not my thing.
Speaker 1: So then I found a publishing job and hence that's
Speaker 1: where I Okay, so we're like a song plugger. Originally
Speaker 1: I was an admin, which I feel like every a
Speaker 1: listening to start in the ad the administration division of
Speaker 1: a publishing company. So it was Reba McIntyre's publishing company,
Speaker 1: and um, I just ended up helping the guy that
Speaker 1: did all the paperwork. It was filing all the copyrights
Speaker 1: with the copyright office, processing demos and paying musicians and
Speaker 1: we had eighteen songwriters, so there was a lot of turnover.
Speaker 1: In the nineties, we were just songs were flying up
Speaker 1: the charts and coming down. So we were continually releasing
Speaker 1: songs and having demo sessions and it was a different time.
Speaker 1: And that's all those listening at home. A demo session
Speaker 1: is so in order for the song to make the album.
Speaker 1: It's a very long process for a song to actually
Speaker 1: be on an album. And a song is written in
Speaker 1: the songwriter session and then it's made into a demo,
Speaker 1: which is just like pretty much you hire great musicians
Speaker 1: to bring this song that you wrote, bring it to life.
Speaker 1: And so that's you're listening to demos all the time.
Speaker 1: But then they actually go beyond that and get cut
Speaker 1: in a studio with a producer exactly. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a split for what you want it to
Speaker 1: sound like that then today flash fash fasting forward to
Speaker 1: my life in A and R. Now is that I
Speaker 1: listened to those demos and see if it fits the
Speaker 1: artists that I'm listening for, And and then the producer
Speaker 1: will some say copy uh some sort of uh say
Speaker 1: they tweak it to make it sound or fit the
Speaker 1: artists that they're recording the music for. But um, back
Speaker 1: in the nineties and the demo process that was. We
Speaker 1: do it much differently now, but at the time it
Speaker 1: was very standard to have five songs in a demo
Speaker 1: session and and uh we did those daily. So differently
Speaker 1: now because so many people are producing their own demos
Speaker 1: writers producer own demos, yeah, or their track guys that
Speaker 1: are just two tracks in their bedrooms and having co
Speaker 1: writers write lyrics if they don't write lyrics, and it's
Speaker 1: really cut those, you know, the middle guy out quite
Speaker 1: a bit in the in the session world in town
Speaker 1: which demo session players. Yeah, you know, it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: harder business than it used to be. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: ask you a few questions. Just grab a fire on there. No, no,
Speaker 1: no rapid fire. The first thing that comes to mind
Speaker 1: when I say this radio my father truly. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: associate the two. Um what about country music? Love love love, um, happiness,
Speaker 1: Oh my family, and you have two twins, have twins yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: boy girl, Holland and Willa, which I want to talk
Speaker 1: all about career, being a career mother. Um, celebrity crush
Speaker 1: m hmm. Oh God give me a minute. I've drawn
Speaker 1: a blank. It's one of those I just thought picture
Speaker 1: had been affleck recently, and I kind of thought, good,
Speaker 1: I kind of would like to hang out with him.
Speaker 1: Me scenes, Yeah, you know, I probably would have said
Speaker 1: that a few years ago. But I don't know why
Speaker 1: something piqued my interest kind of. I don't know that
Speaker 1: a little ruged thing going on there. I like I've
Speaker 1: always like been off. Yeah Armageddon, that was for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, welread answered. Probably my husband would be
Speaker 1: like really, but even like, that's not who I would
Speaker 1: for you anyway, Okay, okay, And then if you weren't
Speaker 1: in the music industry, what would you do? Oh, probably
Speaker 1: something in entertainment, but I would I would love to
Speaker 1: be a writer for a sitcom. Really, I know what
Speaker 1: kind of sitcom? Oh fan of the Office, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that sort of situation. Yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: thought it's so clever. I'm not that clever by any means,
Speaker 1: but I just think that humor just would be so fun.
Speaker 1: It would just be really like the mind Mindy Kaling
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, totally that it'd be fun. I always
Speaker 1: thought I'd end up in l A, Like I said,
Speaker 1: the boy brought me back here, but um, but I
Speaker 1: thought if I went to l A and that was
Speaker 1: the plan. I was gonna try to weasel my way
Speaker 1: into that sitcom world. I love that or hosting. You'd
Speaker 1: be a great host. Well, you know I interviewed with
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters. Stop. I know. Well I was also Homecoming Queens,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about that first, of course. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I did when they were interviewed with Barbara, who was
Speaker 1: gone the Motnopolis on the view for a job for
Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, they had let her go, and then
Speaker 1: they did an open calling for people to interview across
Speaker 1: across the nation to interview with you know, Barbara, So
Speaker 1: explain to me what that meaning. Oh my gosh. She
Speaker 1: her office was so high up I'd never seen. We
Speaker 1: were like above the clouds. So you're like waving we were, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there were like clouds going by her office. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can kind of feel the breeze and all these
Speaker 1: little women kind of like that Devil Wears product where
Speaker 1: the women are just coming in and out. And she
Speaker 1: never made contact serious business. I was just fearing. She said,
Speaker 1: did this you know one of these in the kind
Speaker 1: of set on the edge of my seat. And she
Speaker 1: was very sweet, very gracious. What was that interview, Like, um,
Speaker 1: I was so nervous that I I didn't even know
Speaker 1: really what I said. What does she ask you? Um?
Speaker 1: Oh god, I came remember now, but remember her asking
Speaker 1: me something that would shock people? What is it about
Speaker 1: you that would shock people? What is it? I didn't
Speaker 1: even know at the time. I think I made it up.
Speaker 1: It was like, you're Barbara Walters. I'm talking you know.
Speaker 1: Even certain I had a pretty charmed life, nothing would
Speaker 1: be that. You know, although I was arrested in college
Speaker 1: a few times, but a few times, I know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think of that at the time. I probably should
Speaker 1: have said that a few not just one fake I
Speaker 1: D come back from More. I can't go to Arizona
Speaker 1: State without a fake I D. And so yeah, you
Speaker 1: go to jail. Oh yeah, you have spent a night
Speaker 1: and then you know, but it's like that little college
Speaker 1: jail that just you know, they kind of sober you up.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of cool that you've been in jail
Speaker 1: a few times, right, Yeah, you are so street. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The best part of that story, though, is that, um,
Speaker 1: that you're sitting in face to face in Barbara Walters. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Diane favorite walked by, and so you're talking
Speaker 1: to Barbara and here comes. I was waiting outside Barbara's
Speaker 1: office and Diane Storya walked by and she was like,
Speaker 1: hello with that voice that's just like butter And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Hi, So was this before
Speaker 1: you did A and R and all that? This is
Speaker 1: before A and R. Yeah. I just left Reba McIntyre
Speaker 1: to work from an Anna at Maverick Music And so
Speaker 1: I was you Madonna? I met Madonna. She wouldn't know
Speaker 1: me if I fell on her now. But what was
Speaker 1: that like working for her company? Um, we were kind
Speaker 1: of a renegade company of publishers that guy Oseiri, who's
Speaker 1: been her longtime business partner, decided to open up in Nashville.
Speaker 1: So Whitney had opened up in Nashville. Who does bat
Speaker 1: now right? Yes? Yeah, okay, So Whitney opened it and
Speaker 1: we just sort of siphoned off a budget out of
Speaker 1: l A to sign writers and just it was so fun.
Speaker 1: But they did fly us out for the Christmas party
Speaker 1: and I joked that, Um, being in the room with
Speaker 1: Madonna was like looking at the sun. I mean it
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I can't make so you can't
Speaker 1: look right like do you know who you are? Your Madonna? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she got I think she called me Amber too,
Speaker 1: So I just went with it and we gotta say yes, right, yes,
Speaker 1: you ever happy to be Madonna? Okay, yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was my brush with Madonna. Ya. Wow, you know your
Speaker 1: A and our life is so cool. But pre write
Speaker 1: all this stuff down, remember all the cool you do
Speaker 1: have to write a memoir because Okay, so now we're
Speaker 1: going to get into A and R, which is, to me,
Speaker 1: the most important job in the music business. Where it
Speaker 1: is because it's all about the song. And I love
Speaker 1: I was a song clagger for a couple of years
Speaker 1: and I'd pitched songs to you. I always love coming
Speaker 1: to you because you really truly listen to everything and
Speaker 1: like you give it a very open ear. And I
Speaker 1: feel like A and R. It's it's such an artistry
Speaker 1: in itself because it's all about your ear. Like people
Speaker 1: are coming in and pitching you songs, which means they're
Speaker 1: playing you songs from their writers, like whether they work
Speaker 1: at a publishing company or whether they're artists themselves. They're
Speaker 1: handing you these songs and you listen to them and
Speaker 1: decide if you're going to pass them on, like you're
Speaker 1: the gatekeeper in a lot of ways to like, is
Speaker 1: that song going to make it to a producer? Is
Speaker 1: it going to make it to a manager, to an artist,
Speaker 1: to be heard, to possibly make an album? And I
Speaker 1: told you this when we started. You're the first person
Speaker 1: the impacted me. Really. When I came to Nashville, I
Speaker 1: heard you speak at it. When I went to Belmont,
Speaker 1: I was in school and you came and gave a
Speaker 1: some now and you're like, if you have a backup plan,
Speaker 1: you gotta get out of this business. It's not for you.
Speaker 1: I sounded so smart. I'm not even sure. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it's probably still true today, although I did think about
Speaker 1: that later when you mentioned that, and I thought, what
Speaker 1: would have possessed me to say that. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're turning, like welve years later, I don't
Speaker 1: really know. I mean now, I think there's so many
Speaker 1: different ways to make a career in the business. But
Speaker 1: you can't go all in with you got to go
Speaker 1: all in. It's it's a hard business. I mean, certainly
Speaker 1: the rejection level is pretty uh, and you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it all different times. Yeah, And I get it just
Speaker 1: in the a r perspective, and that the songs that
Speaker 1: I pitched, I want Keith Urban to respect me. It's
Speaker 1: still mine. You know, I'm pitching those songs in my
Speaker 1: opinion um to him, and so you know the lots
Speaker 1: of reputation that I have to preserve. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: want to break that down to me. Start with the beginning,
Speaker 1: Like a song walks into your office from a song plugger,
Speaker 1: tell me about the process of listening to songs, and
Speaker 1: then how it actually makes it way to an artist
Speaker 1: like Keith Urban. Well, you work at um G, which
Speaker 1: there's tons of amazing artists there. Yep, we have a
Speaker 1: huge roster um all of your favorites, the demos. I
Speaker 1: probably have about four or five song meetings today, so
Speaker 1: song pluggers representing different catalogs of music and songwriters come in.
Speaker 1: So how many songs are you listening to from each
Speaker 1: firs day? Everyone's kind of got it down to a science.
Speaker 1: Sounds about five or six songs, eight the most, but
Speaker 1: hopefully just five because I had that all day. Never
Speaker 1: mind all those songs that come in that are just
Speaker 1: emailed to me daily. But um, so you're listening to
Speaker 1: what fifty songs a day? At least probably yeah, and
Speaker 1: then um, but you know, listen, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: through the whole song. You pretty much know in the
Speaker 1: first first, so maybe know just based on groove like
Speaker 1: Keith doesn't want it could be tempo Keith want. Do
Speaker 1: you know exactly what he's looking for? Hopefully what happens
Speaker 1: if the song walks in that knocks your socks off,
Speaker 1: that's not what they're looking for. I send it okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And sometimes they get mad at me, and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 1: Most of the time they don't. You use your judgment.
Speaker 1: If it's so good to you, you're like, you got
Speaker 1: to hear this. Yeah. Um, So the people walk in
Speaker 1: and play you five listen to those songs. Probably for
Speaker 1: out of all those songs and the song meeting, I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna like maybe two, maybe two a day, she
Speaker 1: is pretty good. And then try to send those too
Speaker 1: who I think it's appropriate for. So if Luke is listening,
Speaker 1: or Dark's is listening, or Keith, um, I'll just figure
Speaker 1: out if it fits any of them and send it um.
Speaker 1: When I first started seventeen years ago an r for seventeen,
Speaker 1: believe that I would make a miracle in itself. That's
Speaker 1: cred how badass you are, or just I've been hiding
Speaker 1: and nobody knows I'm still there. Whatever, but I um
Speaker 1: I was joked that the difference between me and or
Speaker 1: A and R and publishers was that I had their
Speaker 1: home address. I can mail them the music. Now in
Speaker 1: this day and age, everyone has everyone's email address. So
Speaker 1: I'm pitching the song. The same song could be sent
Speaker 1: from another publisher directly to Keith. So we're all just
Speaker 1: trying to get there first. I'm a glorified song plugger.
Speaker 1: I want songs cut um from my resume, you know,
Speaker 1: And I wanted for that relationship that I have a
Speaker 1: song plugger totally. I want them to bring me the
Speaker 1: best songs. So do you have close relationships with song pluggers?
Speaker 1: I try to Yeah, yeah, do you kind of have?
Speaker 1: Do you form natural like just not? I've been here
Speaker 1: so long. I think just in general, I think in
Speaker 1: life in general. But I want to be friends and
Speaker 1: I want to be friendly, and it's a very friendly
Speaker 1: business if you want it to be. So for these
Speaker 1: people that come in, we talk about our lives and
Speaker 1: our families and what's going on, and then we talk
Speaker 1: about work. In business, and so I think because of that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna foster a relationship that they're going to want
Speaker 1: to bring you those songs or their artists first. So um,
Speaker 1: hopefully that's working in my favor. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: is it like working with artists. Do you have different
Speaker 1: relationships with these artists? Do you have do each artists
Speaker 1: have a different way they like to receive songs or like,
Speaker 1: is there a way to maneuver it where you like
Speaker 1: this would be a more effective way to send it
Speaker 1: at this time and this way always? I think it's
Speaker 1: just based on personality an art form. It is, what's
Speaker 1: just knowing they're yeah, who, how they like to listen,
Speaker 1: when they want to hear, how some people like to
Speaker 1: do send them too many songs. It's all based in
Speaker 1: and how long you're listening. So if they're going to
Speaker 1: cut in October and they started listening in April, what
Speaker 1: is the timing of that to make sure they're not
Speaker 1: sitting with the song's not sitting in their inbox too long? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you kind of want to very busy people in
Speaker 1: it towards the cut date, Like say they're cutting in
Speaker 1: October possibly, but then the publisher may not want to
Speaker 1: wait that long, you know, they all want to get
Speaker 1: the song cut as quickly as possible. I feel like
Speaker 1: people always love a fresh song, something with my want
Speaker 1: to Oh yeah you have so you have like a
Speaker 1: you have a span where people are cutting. But I
Speaker 1: feel like people always like hear the flashing one at
Speaker 1: the end and like go in and they'll have like
Speaker 1: their whole album done, and then here comes one song
Speaker 1: like the week of cutting, and everything gets changed. Well,
Speaker 1: flashing back to my meager beginnings and publishing, we I
Speaker 1: really felt protected the copyright so an artist would write
Speaker 1: the song Head's Carolina Tales California changed my life, huge song,
Speaker 1: and I think we pitched that the first single, one
Speaker 1: of the first that was on that first first I'm
Speaker 1: all right, it was I Think Your w to the
Speaker 1: Pedal and the I Think It's Heads Caroline, and that
Speaker 1: was in her original launch. I can see her dancing
Speaker 1: in the video with the bell bottom pants. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: she was so hot when she came out. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think the art of protecting that song
Speaker 1: and getting it to the right place was fuch more
Speaker 1: important than it is now because of the revenue stream
Speaker 1: has changed so dramatically that it therefore has made we
Speaker 1: just need to get it cut. So if X is
Speaker 1: cutting it before even Luke Brian, we they definitely would
Speaker 1: love Louke Bran cut. My battle is to make sure
Speaker 1: that it doesn't go to X before it goes to
Speaker 1: Luke Brian. Okay, because sometimes even the songwriter or the
Speaker 1: publishers like, listen, what if Luke doesn't end up cutting
Speaker 1: up but this person wants it who's not as big
Speaker 1: as Luke. So we're gonna take the gamble and just
Speaker 1: go with them. But you're like saying, let's hang on
Speaker 1: for Louke. They owned the song, so I can ultimately
Speaker 1: make that decision. Um, But I'm I don't get in
Speaker 1: too many fights that way because we have so many
Speaker 1: heavy hitters on our roster with Luke and Lady A
Speaker 1: and Keith and Urban uh, Derek Spinaley. I mean, the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on that they usually come to
Speaker 1: us first, but there are still a huge artists at
Speaker 1: their labels to Kenny Chesney's and the Tim mccross and
Speaker 1: then you know those are the big copyrights. So is
Speaker 1: it competitive in the in our world? Um? Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's probably monthly a song that I think
Speaker 1: has Maria Labett. Let that go yet, because if she's
Speaker 1: not gonna cut it, I want it because you and
Speaker 1: that staying on top of it all the time. Do
Speaker 1: you know the hot songs around town that are on hold?
Speaker 1: Those songs go out so fast, and they usually go
Speaker 1: and hold so fast. And when I say go out,
Speaker 1: is that the plugger has sent that I'm in the inbox.
Speaker 1: It's like going It's going to everybody in A and
Speaker 1: R across the city. So when a plugger gets the
Speaker 1: gym opens it first? Who pitches it first? You know
Speaker 1: your song pluggers who have the gold mine writers. And
Speaker 1: when they send you a song, are you opening it
Speaker 1: like right then? To I got one over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Actually okay, we've had a lot of cuts together and
Speaker 1: I thought, m I better stop everything I'm doing. It
Speaker 1: was my kid's birthday party, and I thought, want to
Speaker 1: miss it and this could be something. Yeah, you're on hold.
Speaker 1: And then I I was. I was sitting here to
Speaker 1: stop sign and going to the grocery store, and I thought,
Speaker 1: listening real quick, yep, yeah, and send it right there
Speaker 1: at the stop signed to Keith. So how it heard
Speaker 1: he hasn't hurt it yet. But how do you know
Speaker 1: who you want to send it to? Like what if
Speaker 1: it could kind of go for a couple artists. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I think they actually said play this for Keith.
Speaker 1: They do try to cast okay, so they thought it
Speaker 1: was best for Keith. Um. If I thought it was
Speaker 1: better for Luke, I would at least email the publisher
Speaker 1: back and say let me place this blue first. And
Speaker 1: Luke probably is cutting first, so I think they would
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Um. But in this case, I sent it
Speaker 1: to Keith. Oh my gosh, we'll see. And he's always
Speaker 1: great about getting back to me. He's just great and
Speaker 1: everything in life isn't he really is? He just wins.
Speaker 1: He's just so sweet and so cheerful every time he responds.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just get like past I think,
Speaker 1: at least a smiling face. Nothing. But I loved it
Speaker 1: because it kind of becomes your baby in a way.
Speaker 1: There's a recently, Eric Passley was looking for songs and
Speaker 1: he said, send me all the songs that you have
Speaker 1: loved that you can't get cut. And I thought, well,
Speaker 1: there in lies Maybe the problem with these songs is
Speaker 1: that no one else likes him but me. So there's
Speaker 1: like a whole like you know, file folder of songs
Speaker 1: that I love that no one else seems to love.
Speaker 1: And then I sent him to Eric, and of course
Speaker 1: he didn't like any of them either. So someone's gonna
Speaker 1: love that. Someone's gonna love those songs. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: this cut. You got to hang on to him like files,
Speaker 1: the automn files. Well, I think it's like anytime you
Speaker 1: listen to a song that resonates with you. Somehow, those
Speaker 1: songs resonate to me and they don't resonate anyone else.
Speaker 1: But maybe tell me your style, your A and R style,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure it's like an artist, you know, as
Speaker 1: an A and R person who's running a big operation
Speaker 1: here picking out songs for artists. Obviously you have your
Speaker 1: own touch. What is your style? What do you look
Speaker 1: for in a song? What do you have to have,
Speaker 1: What do you have to feel to say that song
Speaker 1: is going on? Hold anything that just stops you in
Speaker 1: your tracks like anything, I mean, so many great ones
Speaker 1: like you can't build all always there there. We never
Speaker 1: hear a bad song, never, They're always because these are
Speaker 1: top of the line songwriters and filter them out, there's
Speaker 1: just the one that rises above the rest, which usually
Speaker 1: because of melody. These days, i'd say production, it's probably
Speaker 1: another reason for it to stand out because there's so
Speaker 1: many more. Um what's the word. I think we're taking
Speaker 1: such liberties in country production now that that will stand out. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think the best songs are the ones that
Speaker 1: are so simply written totally, but they say it so differently. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not a tongue twister, but it's My dad always joked,
Speaker 1: He's like, I know those words. I knew all of
Speaker 1: those words, but I didn't put them together that you know,
Speaker 1: in that way. And I think that's the brilliance of
Speaker 1: some of those songs that I think, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: So simple but so profound. Yeah, exactly, with a great melody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just and if you go all those all the time,
Speaker 1: If I could just fill up my inbox with those songs,
Speaker 1: that would I just i'ld be a hero all the time.
Speaker 1: But I guess there's so hard to come by, right,
Speaker 1: Lightning in a ball. Yeah. Do you have songwriters that
Speaker 1: you gravitate towards. We're like, Okay, I hear this songwriter song,
Speaker 1: I know I'm probably at least gonna like it. It
Speaker 1: might not be one that I do know. No revelations here.
Speaker 1: I mean anybody that's a hot songwriter in town. I
Speaker 1: mean you can hear why they're so good Josh Kire Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: Ashley Gorely, Um, Nicole Claws and Galleon. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: Ranney classon that that you know why they're so successful. Um.
Speaker 1: But there's a new crop that I'm always kind of
Speaker 1: trying to get in. So you are early on, you
Speaker 1: try to study who's coming up well, Marion Morris um,
Speaker 1: and kind of getting back to your point, Carla Wallace
Speaker 1: and I are very close. She has her publisher, yes,
Speaker 1: a big yellow dog and sort of where the first
Speaker 1: rumblings of Marion. She had signed Maren just straight out
Speaker 1: of Texas and so um, I got to know Marin
Speaker 1: early on and really tried to room that and tried
Speaker 1: to sign her, but my bosses didn't want to sign her.
Speaker 1: So how does that make you feel? Because when another
Speaker 1: huge part of an RFY every new artists. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and also it's so hard to have women. But there's
Speaker 1: a whole there's a whole revelations with the woman, the woman,
Speaker 1: the woman wave is coming. I feel like it's happening.
Speaker 1: So you see an artist like mir and Morris, you
Speaker 1: want to sign her? How do you know when you
Speaker 1: want to sign someone? And then what's that process like
Speaker 1: trying to sign them? And then to wrap up with
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? Yeah, well Maren in particular, because
Speaker 1: she was yet I mean I think she moved here
Speaker 1: knowing that she was definitely gonna be a songwriter, and
Speaker 1: then the artist thing was people kept pushing her like, girl,
Speaker 1: you were so good, You've got to maybe think about
Speaker 1: this artist thing. And in that time I was talking
Speaker 1: to her thinking, Okay, if any moment that she makes
Speaker 1: this decision, I'm here, we're hanging out, we're getting to
Speaker 1: know each other, building a relationship. She made that decision,
Speaker 1: I brought her into the label and no one quite
Speaker 1: had the vision that I had. And so does that
Speaker 1: feel so defeating? It is defeating? And um, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to have faith that she's going to end
Speaker 1: up where she needs to be. What everybody believes in, right,
Speaker 1: and so everybody has this and shares the same passion,
Speaker 1: and so she got that where she is. So that's
Speaker 1: what that's what's great. Um. But it's still like it's hard,
Speaker 1: but I did my job. I brought her in. We
Speaker 1: could have had her um, you know, and it's a
Speaker 1: gamble every time we don't know. We don't have a
Speaker 1: crystal ball kind of brought others that have failed to
Speaker 1: Everyone turned Sam Hunt down and then he ended up
Speaker 1: getting signed at UMG and Kphanie Wright saw that and
Speaker 1: so brilliantly said, this guy's a star. And he is clearly.
Speaker 1: When I first met him, I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this guy and the music so brilliant and us so different.
Speaker 1: Though it's like he was too scary for people originally,
Speaker 1: I think. And there is this thing um where you
Speaker 1: can't the xs and o's of it, where you can't
Speaker 1: figure out why it works for some and not for others,
Speaker 1: where that would be too scary for some people. For him,
Speaker 1: it just turns into like Limmings where you're just like
Speaker 1: follow Sam Hunt because he's so original, yes, and so good.
Speaker 1: You can't are you with how good he is? Truly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's why it works. How do you Okay? We
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this earlier. This is the frustrating
Speaker 1: part to me because everyone's talented in Nashville and especially
Speaker 1: in and R with all of your history, you know talent,
Speaker 1: and you know when you get excited about someone. So say,
Speaker 1: for instance, you signed two artists at the same time
Speaker 1: and one really takes off, Like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: artists of all times, Kelly Bannon, was signed with you
Speaker 1: guys for a while and she has so much buzzed
Speaker 1: so radio just never really accepted her songs. But then
Speaker 1: same like John Party kind of comes around the same time,
Speaker 1: so good, so talented and radio acceptance. Why does that happen? Like,
Speaker 1: why can't someone get pushed through when they have the
Speaker 1: same support thing happening on the same label and everything's
Speaker 1: the same. We asked that all the time. It makes me.
Speaker 1: It's mad name I know, and I think obviously we'd
Speaker 1: all be geniuses if you knew the answer to that,
Speaker 1: because then we wouldn't let it happen again, right, Um.
Speaker 1: I think part of this job is not to lose
Speaker 1: sight of the fact that these are people's lives and
Speaker 1: these are their dreams, and you're sort of holding that
Speaker 1: in the palm of your hand. So we joked earlier
Speaker 1: is that we never signed people without talent, so they're
Speaker 1: all clearly talented um and I don't know they either
Speaker 1: the stars aligned for some and not for others, because
Speaker 1: they're all I feel particularly at Universal getting just oodles
Speaker 1: amounts of attention and love so great PLC for what
Speaker 1: they need and to make their dream come true. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, some take off and some downt and
Speaker 1: it the frustration on Mayan is so profound. I can
Speaker 1: only imagine how it feels for those artists that it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And incidentally, one of those is Walker Hayes.
Speaker 1: And you know you have to have the persistence to
Speaker 1: keep coming because maybe it's doing. I know that it works.
Speaker 1: I talk to me about him, his story, he five kids,
Speaker 1: six kids, six kids, kids. Can you believe that? I
Speaker 1: think he was ahead of his time. I think we
Speaker 1: all saw how just talk about talent. I mean it
Speaker 1: just oozes from him. He's so musical, UM, so cute,
Speaker 1: so cute, precious, His wife Laney's adorable, their kids, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It was just this. His music is lifestyle music.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like to me, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's Dave Matthews is Jack Johnson, where you know it's
Speaker 1: always going to be that same box of music different
Speaker 1: every time, where you just turn it on and you're
Speaker 1: like hands off, and he was doing that and I
Speaker 1: think we made a great record. Um. He also had
Speaker 1: this funny side where he would write, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a love song about a pencil, and you would start
Speaker 1: crying and you think, oh my god, how did he
Speaker 1: do that? And then he would write a song about
Speaker 1: pay in the pool, which we were just laughing just
Speaker 1: as hard. Maybe it was a children's album, you know,
Speaker 1: he certainly knows how to make them, so maybe he
Speaker 1: should write for his children. But he could do those
Speaker 1: two sides and I can I don't think he could
Speaker 1: figure out which one to go for. And so somehow
Speaker 1: he's now with the current single I think sort of
Speaker 1: blended the two. Now he back with you us, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's now on monument Let's say, how sweet would that
Speaker 1: be to like divorce and then remarry. It was like
Speaker 1: an amlical. Well, it's so rare that you actual we
Speaker 1: get signed again. I know this town. And so he's
Speaker 1: had a second shot, which is so great. It is
Speaker 1: so exciting, and you know, sometimes honestly, the stars just
Speaker 1: done a line like like you're saying, maybe the timing
Speaker 1: is not right, maybe they're too creative or too clever
Speaker 1: for their own good, or the songs are too deep
Speaker 1: or sucks because I always hate it when like that
Speaker 1: song is just too complicated for the listener, because it
Speaker 1: really does have to be. They were just sort of
Speaker 1: dumbing down and said, doesn't say much for our listener
Speaker 1: if they can't understand it. But I think there is
Speaker 1: a fine line. I mean, our format has parameters, and
Speaker 1: I think at the time, I mean, honestly, he was
Speaker 1: sort of doing dare I make the comparison, but he
Speaker 1: was kind of doing a sam Hunt thing without the
Speaker 1: track and the slick part of sam Um where we
Speaker 1: were kind of like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you do this,
Speaker 1: and he was like, do that, but I also do this,
Speaker 1: And he eventually started going the other way and we
Speaker 1: were we were still signed up for the other brand
Speaker 1: of music. All that to say that he took all
Speaker 1: this time and you know, UM to now finally and
Speaker 1: the formats changed. Yeah, the format is chang age and
Speaker 1: now he can do what he clearly what he wants
Speaker 1: to write. He never gave up, which is freaking He
Speaker 1: never gave up. And you know, in John Party, I
Speaker 1: think you know, he kind of was coming out um
Speaker 1: at the time of Broke Country UM, and to his credit,
Speaker 1: he weathered the Broke Country storm he did and stay
Speaker 1: true to who he is, which is honky tonk country.
Speaker 1: He's so mean, just yeah, modern day honky talk. Do
Speaker 1: you think staying true to who you are ultimately pays off,
Speaker 1: because sometimes there's a lot of pressure to mold. You
Speaker 1: can smell it a mile away. I think if you're
Speaker 1: just chasing a fame, yeah, you know, if it's you know,
Speaker 1: John's case, he was playing in bars at fourteen, Um,
Speaker 1: this is he moved here to do this, and you
Speaker 1: could just sense it like this is the guy that's
Speaker 1: whether he gets a deal or not, he's going to
Speaker 1: be playing for the rest of his life. So does
Speaker 1: A and R like you? As an R, do you
Speaker 1: encourage your artists stay true to themselves because sometimes in
Speaker 1: the label it gets a little you kind of are
Speaker 1: encouraged to mold a little bit within other part departments
Speaker 1: of the You know, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: You know, the styling of them, that stuff. I think
Speaker 1: they were pretty good at saying, okay, you you want
Speaker 1: to wear a purple cowboy hat every day? Okay, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. Um okay, but that you're going to
Speaker 1: now be branded, that will be your thing. That's where
Speaker 1: you know, because as we put you out there, this
Speaker 1: is this is what we're gonna say about you. So
Speaker 1: we've got to make sure that message is um clear.
Speaker 1: It's them, you know. I don't know if we change
Speaker 1: people as much as we help them to realize that
Speaker 1: what we're doing is creating hopefully a long career and
Speaker 1: a part of their authenticity and then help it spand
Speaker 1: upon that maybe yeah, fit into like something a little
Speaker 1: more not polished, but like a little more accessible. I
Speaker 1: think so I think when you know, I signed Dirks
Speaker 1: a thousand years ago now, but he's still the same artist,
Speaker 1: So that means that's him, that's him. But musically he
Speaker 1: has taken some slight detours to stretch. You know, you've
Speaker 1: got to kind of I mean, as an artist, as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure do you kind of want to
Speaker 1: try different things. So he's done that, but he hasn't
Speaker 1: gone too far. I mean, he's not doing adium music,
Speaker 1: but but he wants to kind of, you know, push
Speaker 1: his own boundaries a little bit. So, but anybody that
Speaker 1: comes in and I think, mm hmm, you just you
Speaker 1: just want to be you want to make videos, right,
Speaker 1: you want to do this because it's really hard. It
Speaker 1: is like a record deal is actually the easiest part, right,
Speaker 1: that's probably the easiest part. And actually I think Sam
Speaker 1: I'm quoting Sam in an article I didn't even read,
Speaker 1: but somebody had told me that He had said that
Speaker 1: was the shock to the whole part of the business
Speaker 1: was how grueling it can be. So talk to me
Speaker 1: what it's like to be an artist out there, because
Speaker 1: you have firsthand experience it is grilling. Well, it's just
Speaker 1: always joke. Some of my best friends are artists. So
Speaker 1: when we go to dinner, I'm talking about the people
Speaker 1: in my office, and you know, I've got all this
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about, and all they want to talk
Speaker 1: about is they are their office, they are their business.
Speaker 1: So it's a weird and I have a lot more
Speaker 1: empathy because you're being told what your business is all
Speaker 1: the time, all this I can't imagine what that's and
Speaker 1: your business yourself is yourself. I mean, I still have
Speaker 1: a buffer to all that. It's not really me. But
Speaker 1: if you're the artist and you're being told that's why
Speaker 1: all these are so emotional, it's so sensitive because it's
Speaker 1: can you build walls up of your own? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: and I think too, with any amount of success, you
Speaker 1: start to you start to push away. And that makes sense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really does. Everyone's like, oh that artist stay in office.
Speaker 1: It's like no, people are trying to tell that guy
Speaker 1: do all the time. And then there's the fame level
Speaker 1: of fame where everybody wants you. Everybody wants you, and
Speaker 1: I look at I was at the studio with Luke
Speaker 1: recently and I thought he couldn't be more gracious and
Speaker 1: sweet and gave me a bout bear hug. I get
Speaker 1: just as excited. Oh he's still Luke. He's still the
Speaker 1: good old you know Luke from you know, yeah, teen
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, I thought, like country music does really
Speaker 1: well and everyone's staying humble. Obviously, people become stars and
Speaker 1: change a little. You have to, like we have to.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, yeah, it's you're not going
Speaker 1: to get above your raisin. No, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of this market. I think I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. People. Do you have an artist experience that
Speaker 1: you saw them, signed them, grew them, had their album
Speaker 1: come out, and it was a perfect experience where you're like,
Speaker 1: this is everything I could have dreamed of as an
Speaker 1: an rsage Dirks so he was your he was perfect.
Speaker 1: He was I mean, really can't go back. He was
Speaker 1: my first baby. UM signed him, made the record, first single,
Speaker 1: went to number one, and then it just never stopped.
Speaker 1: It just went. Of course, then you expect every experience
Speaker 1: to be like that and then it doesn't anything. Oh okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Brought Dirk Sin to sign. I did, yep.
Speaker 1: How good does that feel? That when I can claim
Speaker 1: is solely my own? I really that really was like
Speaker 1: jumped up and down and said, you have to give
Speaker 1: me this. Um. I've done that before in other cases
Speaker 1: and it didn't pan out, but Dirk's has fanned out.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. But um, you know Larry Willoughby
Speaker 1: and I, oh yeah, Larry, Larry, Um who hired me Capital?
Speaker 1: You know I entered a capital when you were there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gosh, yes, I mean just following me around
Speaker 1: for and here we are. This is so strange. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. But Larry and I co signed, really,
Speaker 1: Luke and I think that one too, although it was
Speaker 1: a little got a little kind of hazy there. And
Speaker 1: then he always had hit singles, but they never We
Speaker 1: just knew there was more to him. And then he
Speaker 1: didn't turn around dance move of Country Girls shake it
Speaker 1: for me. So once he busted out his moves and
Speaker 1: then everything change. I remember texting at the moment the
Speaker 1: game change, shaking it. I don't know if he would.
Speaker 1: I think several of us would say that was the
Speaker 1: moment um. That's when it went from fairs and festivals
Speaker 1: and some definitely some headlining shows, but that's where we
Speaker 1: went when he date, when he debuted his dance moves,
Speaker 1: he went what was the c MT Awards, and he
Speaker 1: did country Girl and those girls and he did the
Speaker 1: dot dot dot dot dot dot. And he's so steak
Speaker 1: and cute when he does it, because shaking it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he would be someone that would just
Speaker 1: shake it all the time, But when he does it,
Speaker 1: you're like, are you the cutest person in the entire world? Cute?
Speaker 1: And I think even guys have to go all right again,
Speaker 1: is he's so cool you can't be mad at for
Speaker 1: shaking it? Oh, he's all boy, He's just I love him,
Speaker 1: sweet adorable boy. Um. But yeah, I texted Carey Uwards
Speaker 1: at night and just said, girl, this is it, this
Speaker 1: is it, this is it's happening. The moves are never
Speaker 1: going away, and she was like, it did. That's so exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was probably those highlights. Yeah, so let's not talk
Speaker 1: about the failures. But I know, I know I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, is there anyone that bums you out? But
Speaker 1: then I'm probably sad to they all do, the ones
Speaker 1: that don't make it to that place that Kelly Bannon's
Speaker 1: the because you can become friends and you want it
Speaker 1: for them as much and you're just thinking, you know, fire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like why didn't we why didn't this happen? Um
Speaker 1: for you? Um. And the thing is it's the it's
Speaker 1: the journey for everyone because obviously someone as talented as
Speaker 1: like a Kelly Bannon who didn't necessarily make it at
Speaker 1: that particular time in radio, it just makes you have
Speaker 1: to evolve into something else. You know, she's been evolving
Speaker 1: at just picking up by your bootstraps and sort of
Speaker 1: like rolling this into and she's so talented and she's
Speaker 1: so brilliant, so it has to hit and she's will hit,
Speaker 1: she will hit, she will she's going to continue making music.
Speaker 1: She's doing all these other little facets, all these different things.
Speaker 1: And who runs the obviously you know that, but everyone listening.
Speaker 1: He's like one of the biggest booking agencies. So he said,
Speaker 1: if you stick around and you have talent, eventually you
Speaker 1: will make it. I think he's right. Eventually you might
Speaker 1: take twenty years. There's no I mean, Ryan Nunn, it
Speaker 1: took him. Might tell he's forty, you know, of course
Speaker 1: she tells somebody that's already left Nashville. But they're you know, luggage,
Speaker 1: and it's never happened. I think we weren't here long
Speaker 1: enough exactly, right, so they gave up. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you if you can just put it in.
Speaker 1: It's hard though, right, it is. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's defeating in so many ways. It is, particularly I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of those artists come in together,
Speaker 1: the whole other group of artists, and they all kind
Speaker 1: of know each other, right, and then start making it.
Speaker 1: Now they's start dropping back. Yeah, I know, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of that. You don't want to compare, but
Speaker 1: you can't help that's have your blinders on, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I mean, you know, I'm just hiding
Speaker 1: in my little office at Universal, so no one knows, right,
Speaker 1: although most of us we're actually planning a reunion a
Speaker 1: group of us that we're in a pluggers group together,
Speaker 1: a song plugging group where we were all pitching songs,
Speaker 1: and we're all going to get together and just reminisce
Speaker 1: about what we're still in the business after all these years,
Speaker 1: you know, doing it together. So what have you We're
Speaker 1: going to wrap up soon. But what have you noticed
Speaker 1: as some of the biggest changes in the music industry
Speaker 1: over the past decade? They stand out to you? Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I think anybody would just the streaming services and what's that?
Speaker 1: What that's done? Do you think that's going to turn
Speaker 1: around for the better eventually income revenue? I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean I think in some ways, um, where the
Speaker 1: single streams are, where album sales are down, the single
Speaker 1: streams are sort of picking up a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I think that's going to increase the country formats always
Speaker 1: lags behind and those changes. Um, but I think we've
Speaker 1: all seen kind of seen a significance or a significant
Speaker 1: increase in the last year in particular, um, where some
Speaker 1: artists are having incredible album sales, but they've had huge
Speaker 1: number ones with recurrents that are just still streaming out
Speaker 1: the wazoo, and so those where we didn't have that before.
Speaker 1: You know, they may not be paying. Of course, the
Speaker 1: labels are making the money. The songwriters are. That's a
Speaker 1: whole other time. How the labels are we're getting paid,
Speaker 1: but that that's changing for us, um any other changes.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's still ways now to become
Speaker 1: an artist. Um. You know, the whole notion of going
Speaker 1: to Spotify first, like without a label, without a label,
Speaker 1: building on YouTube, their YouTube, there's you know, um ways
Speaker 1: to build if you have the know how and maybe
Speaker 1: some financing to figure that out. You know, maybe don't
Speaker 1: need the major record label. You know, it can be done.
Speaker 1: It's been proven to be done in other ways. It has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look at it's a chance the wrapper, right,
Speaker 1: so doing it without a label, um now, not to
Speaker 1: say everybody can do that, but yeah, once again at
Speaker 1: the stars, all line and all works. Ye, so much
Speaker 1: of its timing and honestly divine luck obviously having the talent, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and having somebody that believes in you. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's several people at Spotify locally that UM are making
Speaker 1: careers because they're adding those artists to their playlisting and
Speaker 1: you know, building fans and that crazy. But you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that years ago, so UM it was
Speaker 1: just the record label that could make you rich or famous.
Speaker 1: And now that that's not true, So probably the better
Speaker 1: changes for the artist, right and really in some ways
Speaker 1: for us because now it's sort of a research field
Speaker 1: for us. So if you're already out there, we can
Speaker 1: already kind of see which which ones are gonna listen
Speaker 1: to totally, totally Yeah. And Sam, you know, hunt Um
Speaker 1: had already been releasing so much music and was on
Speaker 1: the Spotify program before we signed him, so there was
Speaker 1: already a fan base there though. There was already anticipation
Speaker 1: for him, so he used all that to his advantage,
Speaker 1: and of course Spotify put him on that UM they're
Speaker 1: sort of highlighted program and coursie here we are, here
Speaker 1: we are, and here Sam is right doing our stadium
Speaker 1: like our shows, headlining huge tour. Yeah. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: want to also ask you how do you juggle motherhood
Speaker 1: being a career woman in motherhood because you have two
Speaker 1: adorable twins. How and you make everything look so easy.
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful, you're so talented, you juggle it all.
Speaker 1: I came here today. You're kicking ass in your work. Oh,
Speaker 1: raising family? How do you do it? How do you
Speaker 1: find balance? Well, I will say I don't work for monsters,
Speaker 1: and they're all family oriented themselves. And um, I think
Speaker 1: everybody realizes we're These aren't real jobs. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: we're not you know, out there roof and houses, which
Speaker 1: I think is an actual real job. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: how difficult that is. Um, So we we do have
Speaker 1: the luxury of uh, you know, if I need to
Speaker 1: do rescue the kids from de camp, you know I can.
Speaker 1: But it's it's a it's a you know, I have
Speaker 1: shows at night, my husband is taking over, we have
Speaker 1: a nanny, and my parents are here. It's like anybody
Speaker 1: that's working. So it's a puzzle. It's all every week,
Speaker 1: the different puzzles. Yeah, but I do have such h
Speaker 1: empathy for people that are in positions of work that
Speaker 1: can't just I'm sorry, I can't come in because of
Speaker 1: my kids, blah blah, and you cannot like anybody. I'm
Speaker 1: no hero here, but you make it look easy. You
Speaker 1: do o. Well, it's just I'm exhausted all the time though, right,
Speaker 1: Actually I had to show the other night. I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: put the kids down, make dinner, put the you know,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, we're all doing it so every second, school,
Speaker 1: every much of pretty much. Yeah, And I was like, oh, hey, husband, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to bed now. Your husband, though, is so funny.
Speaker 1: You guys are so cute together. Sweet, He's a riot,
Speaker 1: he is. And Johna's laugh all the time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I'm funnier, but actually here it's funny and y'all's kids.
Speaker 1: I saw one Instagram video or something where they were
Speaker 1: doing a whole show and outfits singing with microphones, Like
Speaker 1: where they get that, Yeah, it's all about singing there
Speaker 1: in the making up jokes now which make no sense
Speaker 1: and we all have to fakela. That's hilarious. They make
Speaker 1: no sense, but they get the art of the joke,
Speaker 1: which I think is hilarious that they understand. Like they'll say, mommy,
Speaker 1: why did the mailbox run away from the car. You're like,
Speaker 1: why did the mailbox right away from the car? And
Speaker 1: then they say something that's like, yeah, okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: these are four year old people, but yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: my nieces making jokes with no sense at all, and
Speaker 1: I was like, the shows there, it's so think, yeah,
Speaker 1: hell does she she's six? Oh yeah, Well I think
Speaker 1: it's only got to go up from here, right, we're
Speaker 1: actually gonna say something really clever and funny one day.
Speaker 1: I love it, and my husband's encouraging it so well
Speaker 1: with y'all's he's a host and he's hysterical, and you're
Speaker 1: hysterical in town, and so you're bound to have some
Speaker 1: crazy talented kids. It's thrown up. We're just trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with them. Yeah, it's been fine. So I
Speaker 1: like to wrap up with leave your light, So leave
Speaker 1: some inspiration of how you have been inspired or how
Speaker 1: you like to inspire people. Oh my god, all that
Speaker 1: you've seen and lived in your life. Oh my well.
Speaker 1: I think we sort of touched on it maybe, but um,
Speaker 1: I just think you can't let it go to your head.
Speaker 1: I think it's just these It's not we're not saving lives.
Speaker 1: When I have friends with real jol it does save lives. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess you know. It all speaks to us in
Speaker 1: different ways. But um, and I'm more than thankful for it.
Speaker 1: It's been My mom used to joke that if school
Speaker 1: have been set to music, I would have made straight a's,
Speaker 1: But um, that's just been my thing. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, don't burn those bridges. Be nice.
Speaker 1: That's it's really I love that, not more. And be
Speaker 1: on time. It's if you can just be on time,
Speaker 1: then the rest of the day should be pretty easy
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, I'm more amazed than ever the people
Speaker 1: that just can't keep You've probably worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of them, created that creative they don't always follow, was
Speaker 1: it tin It's weird because my watch is ten twenty.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, but I don't know how inspiring that is.
Speaker 1: But just some I love that in my little world.
Speaker 1: Those are the kind of the things that I think,
Speaker 1: Oh that really makes a difference, you know, those are
Speaker 1: those first impressions. Yeah, and I'm amazing. Thank you, it's
Speaker 1: so far. Thank you so much for joining me. More
Speaker 1: about me. We're done the letter. I know I would
Speaker 1: talk forever. I really lose you to talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I think I was talking so fast in
Speaker 1: the beginning. Hope if anyone's slow it down really just
Speaker 1: to get kind of it's just so much information. You
Speaker 1: are a wealth of knowledge, like you're from. That's why
Speaker 1: I can have a lot to reflect on. You were
Speaker 1: not a hundred. I'll come back and read my journal
Speaker 1: nixt Thank you well, thank you all so much for
Speaker 1: joining me today. I'm hyper killing Hobby podcast with the amazing,
Speaker 1: talented Autumn Ouse. Thank you. It was Autumn not fascinating.
Speaker 1: I love Autum Her story is amazing and her job
Speaker 1: is amazing. It is such a behind the scenes job
Speaker 1: that is so crucial to artists in the discovery of
Speaker 1: new artists, and she is just phenomenal. I loved that interview.
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