WEBVTT - Ep. 027 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.840 Thanks for joining the me Eater podcast. We're in Las Vegas, 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:09.960 Nevada as something called Shot Show. Um. Some folks might 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.600 call it ship show, but a shot Show. It's a chaotic, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:24.840 hectic convention dedicated to all things shooting and hunting related. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.520 It's an annual thing in Las Vegas. It's like it's 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.720 I'm here with your honest you tell us Helen Show, 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:43.080 what was wrong? Nothing? I'm just looking at Ryan Helen Show. Um, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.720 Kenton Caruth from First Light, Ryan Callahan from First Light. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.760 Someone take a stab and explaining Shot Show after two days, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.320 I knows what it stands for. I don't want to 0:00:53.320 --> 0:01:02.120 stands for to shooting, hunting, outdoor and trade. It's just 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.319 too much. If they wouldn't let any people in and 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:10.039 I could just go around on. You know, like a 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.600 while ago, there's a big scandal because Oprah Win. If 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.399 you wanted to go into some store in Paris and 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.160 she had him like closed the store, I'm not up. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.600 This is old. I just remember hearing this. She had 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.840 him closed the store so she could shop privately. I 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.600 would like to have a day to spend it shot privately, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.199 where it's just all the people who run all the booths, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.600 but no other people are allowed except me to go 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.640 in and walk around and find out about what I 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.640 want to find out about without anybody else being there 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.120 except people who I needed. Where I would push a 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.400 button and a person would materialize and tell me about 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.200 what I wanted to tell me about. That's what That's 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:55.320 my kind of shot show, Steve show. But hurting down 0:01:55.400 --> 0:02:01.360 these corridors is just it's just too much, do you 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.240 think about it, cal Man? I, yeah, I totally agree. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.919 Except for my version of shot show, I wouldn't be here, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.359 but I'd hit your button. I'd go to first. Let 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.040 that keep hitting the button until Kelly and showed up 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:17.639 there and I was like, yeah, I'm talking about the 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.120 new products. But it obviously serves a purpose. It serves 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.000 a huge purpose, it does it does? You know? There's 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.120 the people are like bringing out their new stuff here. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.960 They're launching new products here, and that's pretty interesting. Um, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.280 and you get you know, there's a lot of press folks. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.640 Like when we had the p h A Cocktail Hour yesterday, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.360 we had a lot of magazine editors there and that 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.200 was cool. What were they what were they sniffing around about? 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:55.840 Mostly free beer? So yeah, you had okay, and magazine 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.239 editor showed up. You got to do a little elbow robin. Yeah, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:04.600 elbow robin, and we were getting the that Open Country Award. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.440 I'll talk about that in a minute. So we got 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.320 you know, I got a couple of paths on the back, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.360 and I gotta let him know that it's true, we 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.480 actually do good things. So at this moment, can't share 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.200 with us your acceptance speech. At this moment, can is 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:29.760 carefully crafting an acceptance speech that will be awarded to 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.200 First Light tonight for called the Open Country Awards comes 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:40.840 from Outdoor Life magazine. Right for advocating on behalf of 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.320 not just advocating, acting on behalf of advocating on behack 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:50.440 of being a defender of public lands and public access. Yep, yep, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.000 we um, I don't know, maybe a year ago, um 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.520 id Ryan credit we uh. We basically did a similar 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.400 thing to what Midway does with the n r A, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.360 and it is we had a we call it round 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.200 up for conservation, So when a guy buy something, he 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.600 can either round up the next dollar or donate you know, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.520 how much ever he wants. Basically, I think it's TETs 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.080 to be like five ten and hundreds, but um to 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.240 a certain extent um. And then he can either pick 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.520 whether he wants to give it to the uh the 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.360 t r c P, which is the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.520 or you can give it to the back country Hunters 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:34.120 Angler pheasants forever um or all of the above. Um. So, uh, 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.400 you know, we're a small company, but you know, every 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.960 little bit helps, and it's kind of built into our 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.679 companies kind of ethos that I mean, if we didn't 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.480 have public lands, we wouldn't have a business. So you 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.400 kind of got a you know, it's uh, it's it's important, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.320 you know, because most of you guys customers were like 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.359 even the guys I think that are back East a 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.120 lot are are are guys that are you know, hunting. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.800 You know, it's not quite so prevalent there. You know, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.920 they try to maybe separate themselves a little bit from 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.120 the absolute you know, densist hunting populations. And certainly and 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.119 so in the West we have talked about like that 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.799 like scenario where if everything is leased up and chunked 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.240 up and it's hunting clubs everywhere, and public land is 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:25.359 not like a viable option for actually harvesting game that like, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.000 how technical of hunting apparel do you need? Like everybody's 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.320 sitting in a heated box blind right, you know, we 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.600 wouldn't exist. It's kind of like, uh, it's very apropos 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.320 today to beginning this award right now, and they're giving 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.159 out the award right now about conservation of public lands 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.920 because I think public lands is something people don't even 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.840 really think about. But then over the last few weeks 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:55.719 we've been dealing with these Oregon dick shines who are 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.760 well put coming out. I mean they're not even these 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.720 dick shines in Oregon who are coming out and saying 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.520 that the best thing to do with our nation's public 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:13.800 lands is let them have unfettered, unpaid grazing access on 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.120 those lands. As though It's like, I don't think the 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.479 public should own it. I just think that I should 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.200 be able to do it for what I want to 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.040 use it for, because it's here and so am. I 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:26.760 wonder what they would say if I roll doing the 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:34.800 trailer with just like you know, head and some great son. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.320 A matter of fact, I'm gonna set up a grazing 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.400 operation here as well. What I'm gonna do, No, now 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.120 that it's become clear that it is that there's absolutely 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.640 no problem from a law enforcement perspective for you to 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.840 common deer federal property. I'm gonna go in. It's like 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.160 I'm gonna go take Mammoth Hot Springs and I'm gonna 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.400 be like, you know what, dude, I should be able 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.560 to hunt here and Yellowstone. I don't want all these 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.080 other people in here at low Stone. I've been eyeball 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.520 in this place for a long time. People used to 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.200 be able to hunt here prior to eighteen seventy seven 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.720 or even later than that. So it's back to the 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.880 way I want it. I got a gun. If you 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.840 come near Mannoth Hot Spring on a shoot you, I'm 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.440 building a hunting cabin. I'm hunting it, bitch, because this 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.040 is just my ship. And I got a gun pipes 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.840 in this hot spring. Why yeah, I know, it's like why, like, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:31.200 why not? Because law enforcement doesn't care. A matter of fact, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.480 I'll be driving around. I'd be down here shots showing 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:38.040 my Yellowstow National Park truck. Because they drive around and 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:44.200 come and go in federal vehicles. It's a okay, dude. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.400 If it was any other kind of mug, they would 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:47.960 have shot him up. And then the really funny thing 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 is like here shots who go to the law enforcement department. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.960 All it is. It's all kinds of equipment for enforcing 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.960 law law enforcement. So it's like every kind of thing 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.160 you need to kill, every kind of crook, and the end, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.240 every kind of property is all here, and it's like, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.080 why not let's round up a bunch of this ship 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.800 and going force some laws in Oregon. No one cares. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.760 It is so paint. We've discussed to this at length 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.280 at the First Light office. While we should be doing 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:24.120 other things more specific to First Light m I they care, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.320 and they should be enforcing. I think they're taking a 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.520 very tactful approach that I do not understand. I would 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.080 prefer they go in and you don't want to be 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.200 like Ruby Ridge. You don't have to wake. You can't 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.480 have being the one of these guys in there making 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.319 some coffee on the government coffee pot and all of 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.440 a sudden his brains are splattered over the inside because 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.560 some guy shot him through a window. Agreed, But they're 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.640 leaving town and going to all these kind of activities 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.800 and grocery shopping. One of them was at some public 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.800 comment period with a bunch of law enforcement officials need 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.800 drove back to the thing. Yes, yeah, wins enough enough 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.720 and even seen any of the pack. Could you send them? Yeah, yeah, 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.000 that's funny. If you guys sent him anything on behalf 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.800 of the first line, I don't know what we'd send them. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.640 I wanted to jump on the bandwagon in a bad way, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:15.319 but when it's not your original idea. Yeah, you know, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.440 I got a buddy was saying that. Um, he hopes 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.320 the pretty soon they'll be spending some time in another 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.520 federal facility, but the only problems will be paying for 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:29.560 them there too. Yeah yeah, right now we're paying their heat. Yeah, enforcement, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.080 you know, um, because there's so many different agencies right there. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.880 But you know, the Forest Service cops are apt the 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:41.640 Forest Service building which is shut down, and they're watching 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.199 out and making sure, you know, nothing gets screwed up 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.319 with there, and we're all we are paying for an 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.800 insane amount of over time. This is all actually just 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:56.000 a diversionary tactic from me and Yanni. Take Mammoth right, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.760 I like it. Yellow Stone, Dude, North Entrance. It's like 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.120 everyone's watching Oregon and Austin Menoni going to the Yellowstone 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.640 guns drawn guns blazing, Like, damn it, we're taking this 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:12.360 back and hunting, guns blazing and clothing option right, It's 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.520 just is it's like, I don't want to talk about 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.480 this all day, but it's so ridiculous and so anti 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.959 American and the fact that these guys can somehow cloak 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.960 themselves in the flag. You know, it'd be like if 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.160 I went in, I'd get like a Ryan Callahan shirt, 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.320 Like I get like a Ryan Callan shirt with Ryan's 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.760 picture on it and stars all over, and I go 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.680 in and burn your fucking house down, And he'd be like, oh, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.400 but you know what, he says, He's doing it for 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.400 Ryan Callahan, So I must be confused. I must mistakenly 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.960 think that this is somehow an aggression against me because 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.840 he says it's for me, So like we're doing this 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.160 for America's like what aspect of America? Your private livestock business. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.800 It has nothing to do with patriotism, has nothing to 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.440 do with the United States of America. It's just like 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:02.080 unbridled greed and a complete disregard for historical perspective and 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.600 no fucking idea what you're talking about. Have you ever 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.600 ducks on it? There? No, you count. It's pretty good. Huh. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.520 It's just a certain and the fact that people keep 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.040 giving these guys like a platform and talk about putting 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.000 the land back to use for who you right now, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.320 it's working for like it's working for the nation. It's 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.680 working for you know, are like common wildlife heritage are 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.400 common access heritage is providing like you can't. I don't 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.280 care what kind of denomination you come from. What's that 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.920 of devotion you come from? We need to have habitat 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.280 and protective measures for American wildlife. One of the ways 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.960 we do that is through the refuge system, particularly of wetlands. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.200 If you think it's somehow, I don't care, like where 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.760 are you coming at it from religion or some kind 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.640 of pagan perspective or some kind of atheist perspective, is 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.400 just simply wrong to abuse wildlife. You have to have 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.559 a place for wildlife, in a place for wildlife habitat 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.559 the fact you act like a wildlife refuge is somehow 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.880 this pointless land being like not used. It's being used 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.360 probably the best thing it could be used for. Plus 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.280 it's open to the public if you hunt the refuge system. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:14.960 The obviously the fact that they went out under the 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.160 guise of protesting to get these two ranchers out of 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.200 prison whose families didn't want him to do it. And 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.800 their poachers, I mean they're poachers. They're burning the field 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.000 to cover up evidence of poaching. That's the other thing 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.000 is these guys before went and like went out and 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.120 burned your lands, so burned federal lands as you know, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.480 and then back off federal agents with firearms. Nothing comes 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.480 of it, Like, what kind of message does it send? 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:48.080 Do you can just bully like our institutional enforcement measures. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.640 It's like, oh yeah, patriotism. Patriotism. However, you people who 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.720 abide by the law, have follow electoral politics, try to 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.080 engage in civic duties. And we've put together a constitution. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.719 We put together a w that we enforce laws in 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.640 the way that we have a representative government, right that 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.160 you can address and have legislation and an issue to 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.000 the change things you don't want. You know, we don't 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.840 like any of that. We're so patriotic, we can't stand 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.319 constitutional government. That's how patriots. It's like, at what point 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.000 are they just to be called out for people who 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:26.040 are like un American, anti American. Yeah, I don't want 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.319 to talk about You're gonna get a lot of people 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.400 fired up. And I don't feel good, you know, like 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.760 in a positive way, like about what's going on here, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.400 because I think a lot of people are a little complacent. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.000 They're just kind of like watching on the news and 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.400 they're kind of like whatever, you know, Dick Shines and Oregon, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.800 like any bothering what I'm doing right here in my world, 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.280 you know, a call to action. I would invite anyone 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.679 who's curious about this issue to go read about the 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:57.120 environmental history in that area and study up on what 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.839 it was like under the cattle barons. Study up in 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.360 was like when it was decimated by drought in overgrazing 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.200 and no one was doing ship there. It's more complicated 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.160 than just that there was this long, glorious heyday of 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.320 unfettered land use and all of a sudden, now they're 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.160 fighting over things or arguing over things and wanted to 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:24.080 take claim for wanting to seize access to things that exist. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.600 Because of the level of federal protection it has, people 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.040 had to work so hard to get that protected in 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.720 all people, so many people had to come together and 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.400 be like, Okay, we really messed this stuff up. We're 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.400 gonna take some measures protect this stuff. The FEDS have 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:45.120 made concessions two local ranchers. The existing size of the 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:50.360 refuge is actually smaller than when it was established. So 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:56.840 it's like this beautiful example of the process working, not 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.280 the process not working. Thank it's totally It's a bipartisan, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:07.600 beautiful thing, and these guys are totally using it as 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.640 an example of God knows what greed is what I come. Yeah, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.080 if there's so much public support for where they're coming from, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.200 then why don't they You don't take political measures to 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.840 to fix it the same way anybody does anything. I 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.280 don't want to keep talking about it all day but 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.040 crying out woud Anyhow, First Lights getting this big award. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.200 Ken doesn't know what he's gonna say. Can't just right 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.280 now real quick, act like you're up there. So I'm like, 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:39.920 the award goes to First Light. Okay, stands up, Kim 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.520 stands up and says, uh, mostly not to think Andrew 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.000 McKean and uh and Outdoor Life Magazine for you know, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.440 paying attention to that. This is a big cause, you know. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.280 And at the end of the day, there's a lot 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:56.080 of people that that don't want vast amounts of public land. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.840 They'd rather use it for their kind of own personal 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.120 and potentially the ill gotten gains and and and you know, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.640 for the greater population it would it gets taken away. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.680 So you know, these guys are up there them and 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.120 and you know Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and back Country 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.160 unders Anglers, and they're these groups that are fighting and 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.840 they're fighting hard to keep lands public. So people that 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.280 you know might not have, you know, fifty dollars to 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.000 go to Africa to do these you know, crazy private 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:33.360 hunts can have these amazing public experiences well within their means, 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.680 you know. And and from a selfish point of view, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.000 I that's what I love to do. And that's what 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.280 my company makes close for people to do, to people 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.600 to be able to go out and you know, brave 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.280 the elements and spend time out in the woods. So um, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.640 it's a it's an issue close to my heart's what 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:51.800 I like to do. I like to go out in 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.560 the woods and in winter time, whether it be you know, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.680 skiing or snowboard in the back country, or whether it 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.800 be hunting on public lands. You know, it's always spent 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.080 a shipload of time that was perfect. You filled up 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.399 your time slot perfectly. Well, just remember that. I just 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.239 should think I haven't recorded it. I'm just gonna play it. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.520 You just staying up there. I couldn't be here today. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.680 There was one of those tape decks, like when you 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.480 like in the old days at a wedding, they set 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.399 out like a CD player and hit player. Yeah, you 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.040 can say Kenton is under the pupid having mild modern anxiety. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.159 But in the place, I'll play this right here. I 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.040 just like to keep to keep going on. I just 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.120 I do have a couple more things to say. The issue. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.480 Like I was talking my brother about the public lands issue. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.080 He's like, I just don't understand when someone goes by, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.199 you know that they go by to say, like the 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.480 Gallant Mountains, so like there it is national force open 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.359 for everybody to go to, protected in perpetuity. Is he like, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.399 are they driving by an adversary to public lands, an 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.960 adversary of federal public lands? Do they drive by and 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.240 look at like what do they see? Like He's like, 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.000 are they like, I'll only be happy when that's a resort. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.119 I'll only be happy when that's developed from the valley 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.560 floor to the peak. That's my vision, Like I don't understand, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.000 like what is the motivating factor? I understand what it's 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.879 like economic, but like what is the motivating factor? Like 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.760 why can't you just look at that and be like 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.639 thank God, because we are at no risk of running 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.080 out of developed areas, but we are at tremendous risk 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.480 of running out of non developed areas. Problem is that 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.879 they've never looked at it. Look at all time. Who 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:41.719 you think constantly there's there's there's adversaries to the public 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.480 land movement, and then staying public land. They are driving 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.399 by those mountains looking at him, thinking that they're seeing it, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.920 but I don't think they're there. The movement against public 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:56.400 lands is in a lot of ways is the native movement. Okay, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.200 I I agree with all fronts, but I think that 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.440 that that that the way it kind of plays out 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.320 is a little different. I think how it plays out 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.200 is the state gets into bind. They owe a ton 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.560 of money somewhere, right, and then well, first of all, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.800 the federal governments is okay, you control the states, so 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.320 they give it to the state. That's a whole another argument, right, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.600 But then the state gets into a bind and they're like, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.840 I don't know how you know we're gonna get at 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.879 this we're broken ship and they think, oh, I know 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.760 we can sell that place, and all of a sudden, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.920 you know, that's kind of the slippery slope, and no, 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.880 that's that's how it's gonna shake out. And the long 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.400 that's like, that's that's the version of events of how 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.359 this becomes trouble. States are going to allow the level 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.520 of access public access, and then they're gonna that they 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.000 have the right to and will you know, lesson protections 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.119 or sell. But what then, what I'm talking about is 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.320 then all of a sudden, that is what people All 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.600 of a sudden, the dollar signs start going off, Like 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.439 I don't necessarily people think they drive by the you know, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.960 crazy with the gallantons or anything, you know, any place 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.959 and say I want to develop that. Basically, what happens 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.040 is that there's a couple of things that happen and 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.919 all of a sudden it gets to where this you know, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.399 some developers whoever believe they can profit off of it, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.480 all of a sudden then they start to see it. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.119 But I don't necessarily think that they say it's going 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.720 to start. I gotta get that before the next guy 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.560 does somebody else is going to get it. But I 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.120 and I think that once they smell blood, then they 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.680 go after it. But that's not necessarily so much. So, yeah, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.040 that you hate an open mountain side. Yeah, we're not 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.320 even like scratch. But I can't I keep making this 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.760 like mountain centric. It's not mountain such well, and in organon, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.040 we're not talking my mountain. Right, That scrubby, little mixed grass, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.840 chunk of prairie out there, it's right on the edge 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.520 of a development. Anyone ground doesn't do anything. They making 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:47.920 me any money exactly com So you know, it's I 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.159 think it just and it gets just chipped away and 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.800 chipped away and chipped away, you know. And and it's 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.680 a battle. They're they're just there's forces that want that 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.480 for themselves. Hell, and you do a lot of exercising 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.840 Central Park, right, he said, that's where you're riding your 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.800 bike for get ready for your elk cut the beds 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.359 don't open. You can apparently just go in there and 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:14.320 take it Central Park. Great. Long there's a terribly awesome, 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.000 terribly bad movie which made it really good about taking 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.399 Central Park. I don't remember what I think it was 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:26.880 called Taking Central Park. Show they keep though, Joe, tell 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.040 me to tell me some stuff that, uh, tell me 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.680 some stuff I don't know about. Oh, I wanted to 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.159 ask you a question. Actually, Um, have you eaten all 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.520 of you deer? Have I eaten all my dear? No? 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.040 I actually just bought a chest fezer nice. Yeah, So 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.439 have you eaten much of you dear? A lot of it? 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.040 But it's I don't know when the next opportunity I'll 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.399 have to go hunting. So I'm kind of well, I've 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.640 been just kind of savor like I've been eating more 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.399 fish or fish than are you know. I told you 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.040 come out in the spring, will do morals and turkeys. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.560 That would be amazing. Now, hell, let me ask you 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.919 about this. We we were deer hunting in southwest Wisconsin 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.639 in an area that's known as the c w D Zone, 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.679 and it's area where there's been a, uh you know, 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.080 a number of high profile cases of chronic wasting disease 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.399 in that area for a long time. The state of Wisconsin. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:18.960 I thought that they were going to kind of shoot 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:23.080 their way out of the problem by radically reducing her 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.280 densities in southwest Wisconsin is like basically like always deer 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.520 season unlimited tags. It was just then they kind of 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.720 regrouped and noledge teams of strategy is to learn to 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:40.760 live with c w D, monitor and see where it goes. Um. 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.080 C w D chronic waste diseases of course the deer 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.040 and elk version of mad cow or you know, scrapy 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:52.159 and sheep and um, we brought our deer and for testing. 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.600 Did you wait to get the results from your deer 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.959 before you started eating your deer? Know? So what happened 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:02.240 was apparently we cut it to short so he couldn't test, 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.480 My dear, you didn't they didn't have the glands on. Yeah, exactly, 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.600 So I ate it. What are the symptoms of c 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.280 w D. Well, you get up, your your brain starts 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.399