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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining the me Eater podcast. We're in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Nevada as something called Shot Show. Um. Some folks might

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Speaker 1: call it ship show, but a shot Show. It's a chaotic,

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Speaker 1: hectic convention dedicated to all things shooting and hunting related.

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Speaker 1: It's an annual thing in Las Vegas. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: I'm here with your honest you tell us Helen Show,

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Speaker 1: what was wrong? Nothing? I'm just looking at Ryan Helen Show. Um,

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Speaker 1: Kenton Caruth from First Light, Ryan Callahan from First Light.

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Speaker 1: Someone take a stab and explaining Shot Show after two days,

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Speaker 1: I knows what it stands for. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: stands for to shooting, hunting, outdoor and trade. It's just

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Speaker 1: too much. If they wouldn't let any people in and

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Speaker 1: I could just go around on. You know, like a

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Speaker 1: while ago, there's a big scandal because Oprah Win. If

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Speaker 1: you wanted to go into some store in Paris and

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Speaker 1: she had him like closed the store, I'm not up.

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Speaker 1: This is old. I just remember hearing this. She had

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Speaker 1: him closed the store so she could shop privately. I

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Speaker 1: would like to have a day to spend it shot privately,

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Speaker 1: where it's just all the people who run all the booths,

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Speaker 1: but no other people are allowed except me to go

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Speaker 1: in and walk around and find out about what I

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Speaker 1: want to find out about without anybody else being there

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Speaker 1: except people who I needed. Where I would push a

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Speaker 1: button and a person would materialize and tell me about

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to tell me about. That's what That's

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Speaker 1: my kind of shot show, Steve show. But hurting down

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Speaker 1: these corridors is just it's just too much, do you

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Speaker 1: think about it, cal Man? I, yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Except for my version of shot show, I wouldn't be here,

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Speaker 1: but I'd hit your button. I'd go to first. Let

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Speaker 1: that keep hitting the button until Kelly and showed up

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Speaker 1: there and I was like, yeah, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: new products. But it obviously serves a purpose. It serves

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Speaker 1: a huge purpose, it does it does? You know? There's

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Speaker 1: the people are like bringing out their new stuff here.

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Speaker 1: They're launching new products here, and that's pretty interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you get you know, there's a lot of press folks.

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Speaker 1: Like when we had the p h A Cocktail Hour yesterday,

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Speaker 1: we had a lot of magazine editors there and that

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Speaker 1: was cool. What were they what were they sniffing around about?

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Speaker 1: Mostly free beer? So yeah, you had okay, and magazine

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Speaker 1: editor showed up. You got to do a little elbow robin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: elbow robin, and we were getting the that Open Country Award.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a minute. So we got

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Speaker 1: you know, I got a couple of paths on the back,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta let him know that it's true, we

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Speaker 1: actually do good things. So at this moment, can't share

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Speaker 1: with us your acceptance speech. At this moment, can is

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Speaker 1: carefully crafting an acceptance speech that will be awarded to

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Speaker 1: First Light tonight for called the Open Country Awards comes

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Speaker 1: from Outdoor Life magazine. Right for advocating on behalf of

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Speaker 1: not just advocating, acting on behalf of advocating on behack

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Speaker 1: of being a defender of public lands and public access. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: we um, I don't know, maybe a year ago, um

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Speaker 1: id Ryan credit we uh. We basically did a similar

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Speaker 1: up for conservation, So when a guy buy something, he

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Speaker 1: how much ever he wants. Basically, I think it's TETs

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Speaker 1: t r c P, which is the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership,

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Speaker 1: or you can give it to the back country Hunters

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Speaker 1: Angler pheasants forever um or all of the above. Um. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're a small company, but you know, every

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Speaker 1: companies kind of ethos that I mean, if we didn't

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Speaker 1: have public lands, we wouldn't have a business. So you

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Speaker 1: kind of got a you know, it's uh, it's it's important,

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Speaker 1: you know, because most of you guys customers were like

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Speaker 1: even the guys I think that are back East a

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Speaker 1: how technical of hunting apparel do you need? Like everybody's

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Speaker 1: well put coming out. I mean they're not even these

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Speaker 1: dick shines in Oregon who are coming out and saying

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Speaker 1: that the best thing to do with our nation's public

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Speaker 1: lands is let them have unfettered, unpaid grazing access on

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Speaker 1: public should own it. I just think that I should

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Speaker 1: be able to do it for what I want to

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Speaker 1: wonder what they would say if I roll doing the

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Speaker 1: trailer with just like you know, head and some great son.

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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I'm gonna set up a grazing

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Speaker 1: that it's become clear that it is that there's absolutely

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Speaker 1: no problem from a law enforcement perspective for you to

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Speaker 1: common deer federal property. I'm gonna go in. It's like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take Mammoth Hot Springs and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be like, you know what, dude, I should be able

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Speaker 1: to hunt here and Yellowstone. I don't want all these

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Speaker 1: other people in here at low Stone. I've been eyeball

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Speaker 1: in this place for a long time. People used to

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Speaker 1: or even later than that. So it's back to the

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Speaker 1: way I want it. I got a gun. If you

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Speaker 1: come near Mannoth Hot Spring on a shoot you, I'm

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Speaker 1: building a hunting cabin. I'm hunting it, bitch, because this

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Speaker 1: in this hot spring. Why yeah, I know, it's like why, like,

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Speaker 1: why not? Because law enforcement doesn't care. A matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I'll be driving around. I'd be down here shots showing

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Speaker 1: my Yellowstow National Park truck. Because they drive around and

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Speaker 1: come and go in federal vehicles. It's a okay, dude.

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Speaker 1: If it was any other kind of mug, they would

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Speaker 1: have shot him up. And then the really funny thing

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Speaker 1: All it is. It's all kinds of equipment for enforcing

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Speaker 1: law law enforcement. So it's like every kind of thing

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Speaker 1: why not let's round up a bunch of this ship

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Speaker 1: and going force some laws in Oregon. No one cares.

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Speaker 1: It is so paint. We've discussed to this at length

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Speaker 1: and they should be enforcing. I think they're taking a

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Speaker 1: like Ruby Ridge. You don't have to wake. You can't

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Speaker 1: some guy shot him through a window. Agreed, But they're

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Speaker 1: leaving town and going to all these kind of activities

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Speaker 1: and grocery shopping. One of them was at some public

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Speaker 1: drove back to the thing. Yes, yeah, wins enough enough

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Speaker 1: and even seen any of the pack. Could you send them? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. If you guys sent him anything on behalf

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Speaker 1: I wanted to jump on the bandwagon in a bad way,

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Speaker 1: but when it's not your original idea. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I got a buddy was saying that. Um, he hopes

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Speaker 1: the pretty soon they'll be spending some time in another

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Speaker 1: federal facility, but the only problems will be paying for

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Speaker 1: them there too. Yeah yeah, right now we're paying their heat. Yeah, enforcement,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, because there's so many different agencies right there.

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Speaker 1: insane amount of over time. This is all actually just

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Speaker 1: a diversionary tactic from me and Yanni. Take Mammoth right,

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Speaker 1: I like it. Yellow Stone, Dude, North Entrance. It's like

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Speaker 1: everyone's watching Oregon and Austin Menoni going to the Yellowstone

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Speaker 1: but you know what, he says, He's doing it for

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Speaker 1: for America's like what aspect of America? Your private livestock business.

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Speaker 1: It's just a certain and the fact that people keep

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Speaker 1: the land back to use for who you right now,

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Speaker 1: it's working for like it's working for the nation. It's

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Speaker 1: working for you know, are like common wildlife heritage are

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Speaker 1: common access heritage is providing like you can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: of devotion you come from? We need to have habitat

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Speaker 1: and protective measures for American wildlife. One of the ways

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Speaker 1: we do that is through the refuge system, particularly of wetlands.

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Speaker 1: If you think it's somehow, I don't care, like where

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Speaker 1: of pagan perspective or some kind of atheist perspective, is

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Speaker 1: just simply wrong to abuse wildlife. You have to have

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Speaker 1: the fact you act like a wildlife refuge is somehow

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Speaker 1: this pointless land being like not used. It's being used

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Speaker 1: it's open to the public if you hunt the refuge system.

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Speaker 1: The obviously the fact that they went out under the

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Speaker 1: their poachers, I mean they're poachers. They're burning the field

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Speaker 1: and then back off federal agents with firearms. Nothing comes

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Speaker 1: of it, Like, what kind of message does it send?

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Speaker 1: Do you can just bully like our institutional enforcement measures.

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Speaker 1: not you dear to gets it. It's a fatal thing.

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00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: It's just not instantaneous. They like they they go along,

426
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: go along, it seems like nothing's wrong with them, and

427
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: then they begin to have they begin to collapse. How

428
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: it transmitted that. I don't know what it has to

429
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: do with close proximity the animals, does it, does it

430
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: move to it? Does it move through insects? Someone looked

431
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: at sucks were like, sound like some real dumbasses for

432
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: not knowing how deer. No, No, it's it's knows to knows.

433
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, because that's how it jumps from high

434
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: fence operations, game farms and stuff, because wild animals in

435
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: inevitably wind up rubbing noses through the fence. Imagine that

436
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: Bambi scene. You know, I've never seen Bandy. Maybe I've

437
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: never seen baby. So you never got the results. I

438
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: got the results of mind result, which was, yeah, Dougs

439
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: never Dug Dur has never had a c w D.

440
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: Not not anything he's doing, but he's never had a

441
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: c w D deer to his knowledge, come off his property.

442
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: I waited, but this is the first deer that I've

443
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: ever eaten off Doug's place that I had tested. I

444
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: waited to get the test results because I have young kids. No,

445
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about I know that I'm not worried

446
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: about them. The thing that the main thing I live

447
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: in fear of in No, I'm worried about. But here's

448
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: the thing, the main thing. No, let me just scrap

449
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: all that back. I just forget I said all that.

450
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: I want to read. I want to be beginning new.

451
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: The main thing I live in fear of is my

452
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: wife's wrath. Okay, nothing, she's kind of. Nothing scares me

453
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: like my wife's wrath. Were I too come home with

454
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: my dear well, first, were I to get it here?

455
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: And I got two doves, and I submit the heads

456
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: for testing, so there's results pending. Then I would come

457
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: home and we'd eat said deer. Then I would get

458
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: the results, and I would say, oh, by the way,

459
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: the deer we've been eaten turns out it's negative for

460
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: mad cow disease. It would be my balls. Does she

461
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: listen to our podcast? That's not good? Is so if

462
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I was if I was to say, oh, the dear

463
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: we been e turns out it has chronic wasting disease.

464
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: The good The upside is there's never been a person

465
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: known to get it lose. I could have not brought

466
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: the head in. I could have done the whole thing

467
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: secret e. But the problem is might try to do

468
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: stuff secrety. It doesn't work and I get caught. So

469
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: it's like I try to every day wake up and

470
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: have it be that um like wake up, Like my

471
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: goal is to not be divorced. Cheesy, you live in

472
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: a constant state of fear. No, No, I just live

473
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: in a constant state of reality. It's like I am

474
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: committed to staying married in reducing friction, and friction is

475
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: feeding the kids meat that turns out as c w

476
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: ding In fact, that that would be major friction because

477
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: I've only just recently got back to right to eat

478
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: BlackBerry meat after getting tricking osis. We had a moratorium

479
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: on black bearry consumption that took me forever to get

480
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: out of him. Do you know that, Kenton, and I've

481
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: seen this firsthand, I cannot just openly say, oh, I

482
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of elk or deer and I passed

483
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: him up. She'll be mad, Yes, she wants them in

484
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: the home. She wants them dead and on the plate. Yeah.

485
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: And when I say, it's like she's not interested the

486
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: whole shopping around from Oh no, not at all. And

487
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: when I my buddy asked me, like, how'd it go?

488
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: And I I have to be a little bit untruthful

489
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: and say I was terrible, when in reality it could

490
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: have been really good, you know what my wife says,

491
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: because it'll be like, especially bow hunters, you know, you

492
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: could be like day twenty and you're just like, man,

493
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm tired, but you know, I'm pounding, I'm getting getting

494
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: it done. And my wife's always encouraged me to get

495
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: out in there and get after and I'll be like,

496
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: but you know, like think about all the memories I've

497
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: made in the last twenty days. She'll say, you know what,

498
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: you can't eat memories exactly exactly produce. Mr patelis, Yeah, yeah,

499
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: did you Did you guys have any kind of blowback

500
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: about eating bear meat servant to the kids and stuff. No,

501
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: one day the first time I did after that made

502
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: like meat candy. No, my kids just hose in it.

503
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: And uh, my wife's trying to like she got she

504
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: feel like, what is the same way, It's like, oh,

505
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, she got bad from me. But the

506
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: kids just like shoveled into their mouths. I'm like, any

507
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: damn it just done. It's done now, just waiting to

508
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: see now because Rosy just eight a half pounder of

509
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. Chest freezer is a good source of anxiety.

510
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: That's like, my anxiety is when you go to that

511
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: chest freezer and flip it open, and it's like at

512
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: the one third mark, one third fall. That's where I started. Yeah,

513
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: we need to get stamps at the office too. I

514
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: think there's a lot more meat sharing going on. I

515
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: think sharing was a positive way of looking at it.

516
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: We have some kind of communal freezers. Oh a lot

517
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: of meat stuff. We have that at ZPZ West and

518
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: Bowsman too. And my my stuff is in boxes duct

519
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: tape shut when every package has my name, like where

520
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: the animal was killed, dates, And I noticed someone else

521
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: deposited a bunch of meat, nothing on the rapper at all.

522
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, well, maybe they're going like them just

523
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: by nononymity. They're hoping that people will be like I

524
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: don't know what that is, yeah, or I'm like you

525
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: just being idiot, like, oh, well, this is obviously just communal.

526
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: You should just cut your box open and slip a

527
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: little more in there. Wait, so what did you guys

528
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: do with the rest of the bear with that had

529
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: tricking nosis? He put it in the communal cook it

530
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: for a bunch of people no, I smoked it. No.

531
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. This is a funny story because my brother, Um,

532
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: do you text me or something? You're like, yeah. So

533
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: my brother was getting married and he did the you know,

534
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: you have a rehearsal dinner. So they had a rehearsal

535
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: dinner for seventy so he gets all, he gets me

536
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and all our like a bunch of our buddies together

537
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: and we're all going to contribute wild game dishes that

538
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: we did do this. We did a rehearsal dinner for

539
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: seventy five people and it was a dozen courses a

540
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: wild game. But because like everybody just gets little taste,

541
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, so like Danny made he made he took

542
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: moose brisket and made strami. So he did these little

543
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: open faced rubens um that was like one dish. And

544
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: we had like pickled pike on downline. And I had

545
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: been saying, yeah, man, I'm bringing and before we even

546
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: had the damn bear I'm talking about, Yeah, I'm bringing

547
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: in uh smoked bear ham. So I get the bear

548
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: and before I realized that got sick. I like smoked

549
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: this big bear ham and and um then later I

550
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, got sick and I was telling man. He's like, man,

551
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: they'll be telling people about that because when they eat it,

552
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: they won't want to eat any of the food. And

553
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I said, why I can't not tell him? He goes,

554
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: you're not tell him. Don't tell him that. He goes,

555
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: it's cooked now, right, Like it's totally safe, and like, yeah,

556
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: if I still I feel an obligation, he said, if

557
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell him, don't even bring it. He goes,

558
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I think you bring it and don't tell, But don't

559
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: bring it in and tell because then they'll think that

560
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: something's wrong with it. Hey, it's his wedding, you know.

561
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: You know, bear is good, but you've got it. I

562
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: mean that it's like bears have. This is I don't know,

563
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: but tons of it's a huge percentage bears of tricksis

564
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: huge percentage of cases of. But the fact is come

565
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: from bears, Come from bears. Yeah, but now I would

566
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: say that so And there's two counties in Montana, Lincoln

567
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: County and Sanders County. One of the bears over six

568
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: years of age that are tested in Lincoln County and

569
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Sanders count This is old information from when I first

570
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: had my first bear came back positive of the bears

571
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: that had hit six years of age had contracted it

572
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: in those two counties. I think it's like I think

573
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: it's hampen. I think that. Yeah, and all in nineties

574
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: percent of the cases that humans get are getting from

575
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: bearn meat. But when I got it, I was registered

576
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: by the CDC as being in King County, Washington State,

577
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: and that was in whatever the hell you're two thousand

578
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: fourteen or two thousand fifteen. The previous guy to get

579
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: in all of King County was the guy that gotten

580
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven from Mountain Lion. Oh. Interesting, but

581
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: most cases are from but it dies at a hundred

582
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: and sixty fahrenheight or something. Yeah, you don't have to

583
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: like ruling your meat. Just gotta cook it. Man. We're

584
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: back to eating it like we're back up and running.

585
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: And I'll take one thing I'm done with is I'm

586
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: done getting the sons of bitches tested. Yeah, just get

587
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna what am I gonna do. Let's

588
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: say they come back as as negative. No, I never

589
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: paid a dieing for its free. You know how much

590
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: that bear that we got sick from with the had

591
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty eight larva per grand am. I

592
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: know you sent me that photo that's like the taste

593
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: like almost four four hundred thousand larvaker pound god, which

594
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: tells you two things. One of some dinky larva's dinky

595
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: larva because you didn't get the impression that you were

596
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: just eating larva. I feel like that you now have

597
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty six more protein. I can tell

598
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: you where it all is. Yeah, it's like I can

599
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: tell you where it is from the pain the zombie,

600
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: from the parts that were painful. Damn. Yeah, and you

601
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: had like pain Jannie back, your neck, your calves. Yeah,

602
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: it was mostly back and uh, legs and then like biceps,

603
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: triceps area. What's interesting is when you used to be

604
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: able to get a tested for free UM at the

605
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: university in Bozeman, you would send in. They wanted a

606
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: golf ball sized piece of the tongue. No, not my

607
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: tongu not worth. Yeah. It's like one of these days

608
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I won't be able to talk anymore. I I wanted

609
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: to find out in my head trick bro have to

610
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: write it out like I sent one. I sent a

611
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: golf ball size hunk of my tongue into the university.

612
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Girl back al right, So I want to make a

613
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: little point here. I don't know if it's gonna go

614
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: anywhere or not, but people are always like, I can't

615
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: believe it. We're still eating bear meat because I was

616
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: doing a little bit of research here. But it's like salmonella,

617
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: which you can get from pretty much all raw foul. Right,

618
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: everybody eats chicken. Most Americans are eating chicken at home.

619
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: You have not raw chicken. You pretty much well, some

620
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: are now small percentage, but you have to treat that

621
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: almost like bear meat. Now, obviously, I think that the

622
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: symptoms sound what I'm just reading here sounds as bad

623
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: as what we went through with the trick analysis. You know,

624
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: like you're gonna it's basically a very severe fever and

625
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go and get it diagnosed by doctor,

626
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: to have them say, yes, you have salmonella, and it's

627
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: probably a very rare cases fatal, yes exactly, young, old

628
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. Now, anybody has salmonella is then not living

629
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: with salmonella for the next five or ten years like

630
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: we are. But that doesn't matter because you don't feel

631
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: it and you can't recontract it, I know. So I

632
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: just want people to think about that. It's like when

633
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: you have chicken raw chicken in your house, you're kind

634
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: of dealing with a very similar product that has to

635
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: be treated similar to hunter. I agree. I mean, it's

636
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixties. It's like, it's not that it

637
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: was so listen, Salmonella is one seven. We got sick

638
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: for being just downright stupid, and we knew we were

639
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: being stupid. While we were being stupid, We're being hasty

640
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: and commenting and joking about how we were going to

641
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: catch the sickness, like, yeah, you can really get sick

642
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: off some more. It was like, it's just I'm so

643
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: glad it happened because it just gave me, you know,

644
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: it just gives me more things to think about and

645
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: made me learn about a lot of new stuff. And

646
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: it's just not that bad of a sickness. If you

647
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: knew it would be even better. But it's like you

648
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: get a little worried because the word sounds weird and

649
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: you have worms, and that's not nerving to have worms.

650
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: I thought you guys said it was like got awful painful.

651
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, but not for that long. It's it's

652
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: like you're sick for a week it's like introspect you.

653
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: And if I had known, here's the thing, you're sick

654
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: for a week. If I had known, like when you

655
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: get a cold, it sucks. Now, imagine you've got a cold,

656
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: but you've never had one in your whole entire life,

657
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's ship running like snots

658
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: coming out of your nose. You had no one to

659
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: ask about because you never knew anyone that had one before.

660
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: How upsetting it would be, like, I can't understand there's

661
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: all this fluid draining out of my head, my ears

662
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: ringing funny, Um, I get these like weird body chills. Yeah,

663
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I must be dying. You call around

664
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: people like that's never happened to me. Right then the

665
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: next time you get like, yeah, that's weird. I have

666
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: like all this like mucus draining out of my face,

667
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: which is unusual. But I've been through this before. It

668
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: goes away. So if I got it again now, I

669
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: just hang tight. I don't think I would miss work. Wait, wait,

670
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: do you think medicine or you just yes. I took

671
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ibprofen, and I took some very expensive

672
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: de worming pills and I was the only one that

673
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: took the expensive Dean warming pills and we all got

674
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: better the same day. Interesting, we're all sick about Yeah,

675
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: there's basically no evidence to say whether those steroids, those

676
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: de warming how did you take them? It was pills

677
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: or if you had eight bear meat. And then the

678
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: next day we're like, oh, like say you got all

679
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: drunk or something bear carpacco And the next day like,

680
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: what did I do? That's when take the dee worming. Well,

681
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: what I heard is that if you if you eat

682
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: it large, and if you consume a large enough amount,

683
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: then you will actually feel the gasha intestinal pain, which

684
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: is the party of that the worms are having in

685
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: your stomach, which then you can go to the doctor

686
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: and be like something's wrong. They might be able to

687
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: catch it. You take the oral steroids, it kills it.

688
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: But because we all ate, you know, maybe an ounce

689
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: of meat that day, they got us sick. None of

690
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: us had symptoms for thirty days. So they had to

691
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: like build up a strong fortress before they really it's

692
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: when they start. They get into your basket. After they

693
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: make love and have babies, they get into your basket

694
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: their system and then they start burrowing into your muscle tissue,

695
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: and that's when you start feeling sick. It's like a

696
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: science fiction No. Man, here's the thing though. More so,

697
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: you have more bacteria in your body by magnitudes of

698
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: of of hundreds than you do actual cells. Kenton is

699
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: more other ship than he is. Kenton, pretty clear. Hands

700
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: a lot you wander eating. You're eating like blue gills

701
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: or perch. And I got little black specks on the flaze. Oh,

702
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean only late in life, only late life. That

703
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: something point out to me. That's larvae. Have you ever

704
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: opened a helmet up? Yeah? I have, and I've taken

705
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: plenty of grouse apart and had them just like oh man,

706
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: worms everywhere, and I still got eating. No, you want

707
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: to hear worm? Can we tell them about our latest worms?

708
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: This is this is upsetting, all right. I shot a

709
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: CU's deer bock last week and in Old Mexico, in

710
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: Old Mexico, and we locked off his head. You know

711
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: how he hit the little spot right there. We have

712
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: those two lobes and it's really easy, just the night,

713
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: can you know, take his head off the frame and magna?

714
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: So what that is straight? Which what's the spinal uh?

715
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: Cords part called and which one is the part of

716
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: the school. I might be pronouncing it wrong because I've

717
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: only ever seen it written. I've never heard anybody say it.

718
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: That part of the skull is the frame and magnum,

719
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: like the little smooth Yeah, but the whole like that

720
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: little portion. I'm not sure I should look up how

721
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: to pronounce it. Just we're taking the head of heart,

722
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: just the head. No, we left the cape. They're covered

723
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: in ticks. It takes hours and hours to get the

724
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: ticks off because you can't bring it back into the US.

725
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's like they're gonna do it with the

726
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb. Anyways, you can imagine that head coming off.

727
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: You look at that like spinal cord area, and then

728
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: below that you kind of have the back end or

729
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: the bottom end of the nasal slash mouth cavity, and

730
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: in there are maybe a dozen, the smallest being the

731
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: size of like a what are the little worms used

732
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: for ice fishing? Yeah, waxworms, little waxworm. The biggest being

733
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: like the size of a big, fat white maggot, the

734
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: size of half bigger than half of your pinky. Yeah,

735
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: it's like silence of the lambs, right, and it's where

736
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: it's where it's signed us. Okay, it's the place where

737
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: your nasal cavity sinus intersects with like your like your

738
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: throat when it stophic. It starts basically yeah. Some some

739
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: it's abot fly that lays the egg on its nose

740
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: and it goes up there and goes to all its

741
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: permutations in there, and they are spilling out different colors, sizes.

742
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Some have legs, some have arms. I mean dirt, Dirtmith.

743
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm down there. We're down there, leaning over working on

744
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: it in the dark with head lamps. Garrett Smith almost

745
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: like he starts like he's gonna vombit. Dirt man. I'm like,

746
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: get away from me. Man. I'm like, if you're a

747
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: thrown up on this deer, it's like buck up. But yeah,

748
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: the Vicaro said, every single who's deer they've ever seen

749
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: killed has it. We killed a Columbia black tail in

750
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: California that had it. Was it in the meat too? Nope? No,

751
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: perfectly say you could eat the thing if you want

752
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: to do. Those things then fall out and go through

753
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: a whole cycle in the ground and then when they

754
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: hatch out of the ground, it's a fly and then

755
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: again he lands on the deer's nose, drops the egg,

756
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: whole thing starts over again. Doesn't doesn't cause any kind

757
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: of doesn't seem to cause any kind of infection in

758
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: the animal, doesn't seem to cause any kind of extreme discomfort.

759
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: They've never these guys down there have never seen one

760
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: that didn't have it. One of this guy was telling

761
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: us that the Carol's are like the Mexican cowboys have

762
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: a sort of legend where that is what thinks. That's

763
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: the part of the deer that thinks interesting. Disgusting, Yeah, disgusting.

764
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: We have that canine larva here. Your deer had that

765
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: the what's the canine parasite? I mean like puppies, that's

766
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: the parasites in your mule deer where in them in

767
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: the meat? See it's like I didn't know about that.

768
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those little yeah, those little dots. Yeah yeah,

769
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: what's it called. It's a canine parasite. Um. What do

770
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: they say about that stuff? Because they find it in

771
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: coyotes and wolves and stuff like that, So they say

772
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: that can you catch anything from it? No? No, not

773
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: just digest you just not transferable. That's good, dude, give

774
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: me a hardtack man. I would have to tell that

775
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: mrs about that. I learned something interesting. So now, um

776
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: we yeah, what's your concluding thoughts? Now? I had a question.

777
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if you guys had seen The Revenant. Nope,

778
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: real bad want to have seen it. I liked it.

779
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I thought they're seen in particulars, very realistic. It is interesting.

780
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: Steve that always said that he wanted to get swiped

781
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: once that would want to get mildly malled by a

782
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: bear and if he could, if he could, I would

783
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: like him to give me claw marks and a diagonal

784
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: pattern starting at my shoulder down to my lower abdomen

785
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: like a tattoo. But yeah, scar too, Yes, would be

786
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: pretty tough. I would That's what I would like. Whipped

787
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: his shirt off and had something like that. I wouldn't

788
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: be wearing one right now. I get I get shirts

789
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: made out of sea through material. Would you be disappointed

790
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: if you caught it like across the upper thigh. Yeah? Yeah,

791
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: It's better than nothing, but not what I would prefer.

792
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: I would like it on my face. Now that I'm married,

793
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: I'd like it on my face. It's like I gotta

794
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: go on meat ladies. Yeah, chicks would dig the helen. Yeah,

795
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: but no I wouldn't. They don't even need to. It's like,

796
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's like big Bear mall Mark. Because I'm

797
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: already married, doesn't matter. Would you give up one of

798
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: your eyes for that? Yes, for the scratch I'm talking about,

799
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: not just to happen. Butt off my pinky and run

800
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: off that just that just sucks because no one's gonna

801
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: see that happened. Yeah. Yeah, Now I had injury. I

802
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: had like a distant relative. Uh, I had a distant

803
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: relative name. We called him Uncle Gunner, but it was

804
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: later explaining to me that he wasn't my uncle. He

805
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: had a uh stuffed monkey and in his entryway, so

806
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: we'd go there and remember his his dude name was

807
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Gunner and his wife's name is Tooti, and we'd go

808
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: there and she always would like make a hand with

809
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: pineapple on it, and um, he had this entryway going

810
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: to before going into his house, like a little porch,

811
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: and he had a stuffed monkey on a stick, and

812
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: Uncle Gunner was missing a couple of fingers. And it

813
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: was always explained to Uh, you know, they have people

814
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: bullshit little kids with outlandish things, but they don't think that,

815
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, they don't realize that the kids actually think

816
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: it's true. Uncle Gunner Eyes told us he lost his

817
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: fingers because that monkey bit him off, and they gave

818
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: him the monkey. That's what he said. Later I grew

819
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: up being like it wasn't. My mom was like, my

820
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: mom was like, this is not what happened to that

821
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: man's fingers. I don't know where he got that monkey.

822
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: He lost his fingers to a lawnmower, Like, I have

823
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: no idea what he told you or however, like got

824
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: to live this long in your head. That's what I have.

825
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: The Uncle Gunner his fingers. We have won multiple debates

826
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: on that. And then don't yeah, like, in fact, monkeys

827
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: do bite fingers off. Because I saw the monkey, I

828
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: know a guy, sir, we apologize for the monkey being vicious.

829
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: You may take it home, alright. So concluding thoughts, Helen

830
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: that I just want if you watched him evidence that's

831
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: not even like a thought. That's my only thought right now.

832
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeal oh, have your concluding thought me about some exciting

833
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: new products we can see going off the first light. Boh,

834
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm super excited and what we have going

835
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: on if people don't buy a single thing. This is

836
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: our best year of product. I mean, it's amazing stuff.

837
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: So I'm going to be very comfortable. I like those

838
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: new mittens a whole bunch. Yeah, Weed, that was I

839
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of very sole original thoughts on that product.

840
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: It's really come along with Steve and Janice and Kenton

841
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: and Ben and everybody has put a lot of work

842
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: into into these mintens in there, you know, alsothing like

843
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: I have that chance. The word is the ball of

844
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: Claus that has the I call what's that stuff? Oh

845
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: my god? That's those nice it is and you can

846
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: still hear out of it. It doesn't that's great about Yeah,

847
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: that's what's great about that is you can hear through it. Yeps.

848
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: Panties made out of that stuff. Interest interesting. We tested

849
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: the I'm sorry, I don't know the name of the

850
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: new lightweight puffy that is the serious but serious Yeah.

851
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: We use that a lot last week in Mexico and

852
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: it was cold and we're layering it under our uncle

853
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: Pa Grey's and uh it was a nice piece. Well yeah,

854
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: good good layering piece, you know. And the Rockies at

855
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: least where we are, it doesn't rain a ton and

856
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: usually at least early elk season it's doesn't get too cold.

857
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: So you know, it's nice to be able to have

858
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: some light stuff that's gonna go in your pack if

859
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: you goofed up on the weather call. You know, you

860
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and it's like if you

861
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: can see the stars, doesn't it can rain or can

862
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: you know it can? Temperature can change and nothing worse

863
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: than just saying how I'm going light because I don't

864
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: want to, you know, fill up my put stuff in

865
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: my backpack and then freezing your ass off, you know.

866
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: So it definitely provides you with quite a bit of

867
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, no matter what the weather does,

868
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: you should be pretty good for only a pound and

869
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: a half between that and the and the shell stuff

870
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: that think in your back pocket. Totally it might be

871
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: an exaggerate one you showed me yesterday for sure, then

872
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I should get for servecasting. Was that the one that

873
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: he that's the heavy duty one And we also make

874
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: like a one that's a three and a half layer

875
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: just full on like as as barely of a waterproof,

876
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: breathable as you can get. You know, if it's gonna

877
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: rain too much for that, you pretty much need to

878
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: wear a rubber, you know, fishing style suit, but um

879
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: discretion on that jest plus came up with the winning name.

880
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: It's called It's got a mouth long hair mustache playing

881
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: the piano Seek, which is an acronym for Southeast Alaska.

882
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Like that. Yeah, and you guys have gotten to wear

883
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: that right, Yeah. I we're in um British Columbia this year,

884
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: where it ain't more than it did not rain on

885
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: that trip and it performed well. I can't remember what

886
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: your honest one for getting the winning name. He hasn't

887
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: been paid. I think a pair of socks or something

888
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: showed up in the mail. Concluding thoughts, Give us an

889
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: update on it. Give us an update on Hunt to

890
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Eat t shirts. Oh man, people were heckling Yanni last

891
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: night about in Nevada one. Yeah, yeah, everybody, if I

892
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: can touch on that for just a second. Everybody likes

893
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: to ride into us and see me and say, how

894
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: come there's no Kentucky Hunt Eat shirt. I'm like, well,

895
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: because you're like the third person that's requested, so you

896
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: can write, yeah, gather up some of your bodies. We're

897
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: not asking for a couple of hundred, but even like

898
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: ten to twenty, you know, and that that would really

899
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: bring your bring your state to the higher you know,

900
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: higher standing where you know it'll be next in line.

901
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: But I think last time I said we have Pennsylvania

902
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: and Alaska, California just came out. California's shirt is way sweet.

903
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: Looks like their flags, says hunt EAT's got a pig

904
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: on it. Do you think you'll eventually have all states? Oh?

905
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: That's what I have in my mind right now. It

906
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: is like one of the old old flags. It's got

907
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: like six stars in a circle on it. You don't

908
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: remember that sports Remember sports was guide, how the sports

909
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: was guide catalogs like back in the eighties and stuff

910
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: or nineties and just be pages and pages of T

911
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: shirts be like like happiness is a warm gut pile,

912
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: and it'd be like an Indian on a horse holding

913
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: up a compound bone. It's like what if? And it

914
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: was all those there's like all those shirts of like

915
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: wolves howling and just like pages and pages and pages

916
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: like get shirt with like an out house and then

917
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: out house Joe Okina, your catlo was gonna be like

918
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: that when you got all fifty states, I hope. So

919
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: we're doing your new home state next, and then ten

920
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: people from Washington, and then our our home state after that, Michigan. Yeah, yeah,

921
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: there you go. You just need two more requests, you'll

922
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: be there. We haven't. We have eight so far. I

923
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it now that we know, now, now that

924
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Ted Cruise has informed just that Helen has horrible, Um,

925
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: what do you guys have over there? You guys have

926
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: bad Oh, you guys have real bad values. Do you

927
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: have real bad values? Yeah, Joe Bastard, I had no

928
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: idea I heard. I had no idea what I heard,

929
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: Ted Cruise, you got New York, New York values. I

930
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: had no idea. Helen was so un American depraved. I

931
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: think that all she thinks about. If I'm not mistaken,

932
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: as you think about fashion in the media, maybe yeah,

933
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I think you think. Yeah, especially think if your father

934
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: out there just like delivering the mail, and he's like

935
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: fashion media, fashion media, like dudes like digging through the

936
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: rubble of the World Trade Center, fashion media, fashion media.

937
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: It's like, give me a raid man. Yeah, that's my

938
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: concluding thought, Ken Miludaws, Helen's horrible. I just found out. Yeah,

939
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: And in fact, some of the best people I've ever

940
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: met in my entire life are also awful. And I

941
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: had no idea that they have a bad that they

942
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: have a bad value system based on where their work

943
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: put them, and they're gonna seize Central Park taking it

944
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: back there. Mean is yummy, and you just have to

945
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: make sure you don't eat it undercut. I don't want

946
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: to give a bad rap because people might hear this

947
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: or here a little extra freak out and think that

948
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: you know. No, no no, people don't listen to just a

949
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: little bit. So this is the whole thing. They don't

950
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: know all the bear nothing wrong. Bear like bear might

951
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: even no. I guess I didn't eat the chicken nooses

952
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: bear when you made it. You made the bear ham

953
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: smoke bear ham. The probably had it just wasn't tested great.

954
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: I did have one test. I did have one test

955
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: negative one time. I forgot about that. All right. So

956
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: this is part one here, here's the deal. This is

957
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: a longer one than normal because this is this is

958
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: part one of of of a two part shot show podcast.

959
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: So this is gonna segue. Now just keep listening here

960
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: and things are gonna change. It's gonna get real noise

961
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: with all kinds of background noise, and there's gonna be

962
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: a part two where we sit down and talk to

963
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: some gun guys. Stay tuned. Hey, welcome to the Meat

964
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Eater Podcast. We're in uh Las Vegas, Nevada. This is

965
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: the first time we've ever done one of these anywhere

966
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: near this many people. You can kind of hear a

967
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: bunch of background noise. Now we're at something called shot

968
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: the Shot You guys even know what shots stands for?

969
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: Shooting hunting an outdoor trade show. Oh I knew it

970
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: must stand. Yeah, I've been here a number of times

971
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: and I never picked up what it exactly stands for.

972
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: But it's like if they when I when I was

973
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: a little kid, we always had this dream that uh

974
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: everyone that lived on the lake I grew up on

975
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: with all away on vacation and we drain the lake

976
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: and be able to go out there and see what

977
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: was in the lake. I have a similar dream about

978
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: Shot Show where I could have a private day where

979
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: no one would be allowed in and I could just

980
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: quietly stalk the aisles of Shot Show. Because it's so

981
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: much stuff goes on here you cannot take it all in.

982
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: It's just there's it's every thing you've ever heard of

983
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: or thought about in terms of, uh, the hunting and

984
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: shooting sports on one place. It's impossible to me. It

985
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: seems to kind of like focusing on any single specific

986
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: thing because there's just so much stuff going on, and

987
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: you can really find out sort of the state of

988
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: the world by coming down here. This is my third time,

989
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: but I'm here with a couple of guys from this Outdoors.

990
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: We have Bill Dermody, who Okay, you want to build,

991
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: explain yourself what you do and everything like that. Justify

992
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: my existence. Yeah, I'm not not marketing director for Savage

993
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: Arms and Stevens. So basically within Vista the firearms product

994
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: and the and the marketing revolving around that product. So

995
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: this am I allowed to talk. So uh yeah, this

996
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: outdoor is just um, you know, it's it's a it's

997
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: an organization that the consumer doesn't really hear about. It's

998
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: our parent company. But all these if you look around here,

999
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: all these great brands, we really are one of the

1000
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: largest outdoor companies there is. So from Savage Firearms, Federal Premium,

1001
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: c c I, R, CBS, black Hawk, all these great

1002
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: outdoor brands and even something aren't here at the shot show.

1003
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: We're just we're just a big piece of this show here.

1004
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: And really, um, you know, from a standpoint of of

1005
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: me working on the gun portion of this, it's it's

1006
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: a real treat for me because not only do I

1007
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: have a not only to have the firearms line, everything

1008
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: that goes on in or around a gun is within

1009
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: his armed reach for me. Now and then you've been

1010
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: you've come to shops any times? Now? Uh my first one?

1011
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, did you come into uh did you come

1012
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: into working in firearms too? Like? What's your background growing up?

1013
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I means you grow up around shooting. Actually, I became

1014
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: a shooter as an adult. I I became I was

1015
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: a boy scout where I started shooting, And I grew

1016
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: up in a family where there there no guns in

1017
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: the home, and I was I'm the first generation shooter

1018
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: in in my home. And and I learned how to

1019
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: shoot at boy scout camp up in New Hampshire and

1020
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: came home from scant camp and wanted to buy a

1021
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: gun and my parents didn't so they didn't allow it.

1022
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: So I didn't buy my first firearm until I was

1023
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: in college. And now look at me, I've been in

1024
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: the industry This is the third different gun company for

1025
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: saying that I've worked for. I've kind of been typecast.

1026
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm stuck now. I can't I couldn't go do anything else.

1027
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: And my parents now have been converted their life members

1028
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: of the n r A and then gun owners and shooters,

1029
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, life takes as neat twists

1030
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: and turns. But you know, think about all the other

1031
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: shows that happened in Las Vegas and where would you

1032
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: rather be? I mean, it beats the heck out of

1033
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: the humor apliance show or whatever they're doing across town.

1034
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Right I could be talking about dishwashers and toasters all

1035
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: the week and not you know, this is where it's at.

1036
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: This is where the action is. A good buddy mine

1037
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: is over at the home builders thing going on right now,

1038
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: and he's really itching to try to find his way

1039
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: into this spot. Now, Jason, give us your low down, man.

1040
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Nash. I'm the marketing director for our ammunition brands,

1041
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: so the most commonly known Federal Premium c C I Spear.

1042
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: We've got a number of different brands under our umbrella,

1043
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: and it's really exciting to this will be myt This

1044
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: is my thirteenth shot show, and I have to remind

1045
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: myself every year how lucky we are. And it doesn't

1046
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: take long to walk down the halls to realize how

1047
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: lucky we truly are to be involved in such a

1048
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: passionate industry. You know, for me, it all started with

1049
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: grouse hunting with my dad and uh, you know, getting

1050
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: out in the northern woods in Minnesota and chasing around

1051
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: these birds that were really hard to hit but challenged

1052
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: you and and really were exciting. Um. So being part

1053
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: of that is, like you said, it's it's a dream.

1054
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Speaker 1: Did you when you were growing up, did you think

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: about how you wanted to stay in the uh you know,

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: around hunting products and hunting equipment and that kind of stuff. No,

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01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hunt, go out. I just wanted

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01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: to get out and and enjoy the outdoors, be outside

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: and uh, spend time with friends and family. I didn't

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01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: really think about it as a career. In fact, I

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01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: didn't think it was probably an option. So the fact

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: that that I was able to get into this industry

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: and make a good career out of it has been fantastic. Yeah,

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, like all the guys that

1065
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt fish all time. We didn't know about occupations.

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01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: You like, little kids always wanta be fireman. We all

1067
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: want to be game wardens. Where I want to be

1068
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: a mountain man. Uh. But then they told me I

1069
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: was late for that. So everybody was like, I'll be

1070
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: a game word and I'll be uh, you know, like

1071
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: we want to be like a wildlife biologist. Everybody's always

1072
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: like struggling to try to find somebody to be in

1073
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: the outdoors. And then guys I know now that have

1074
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: done that grown up and have into like, you know,

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: found like a livelihood in the outdoor industry. Um, very

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: few of them would have been able to even they

1077
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known what they were doing existed at the time. Yeah,

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so let's jump in now. I have over

1079
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: the years, I've been hunting off all with a Savage rifle,

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: and I've owned Savage rifles going way back and and

1081
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: uh from I used to I used to be a

1082
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: fur trapper and I had one of the uh what

1083
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: I thought was a very early form of the old

1084
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: two twenty gauge over under they had the trap door.

1085
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they still have, like that

1086
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: they had that aluminum plate model twice four was it

1087
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: had like aluminum plate you could slide a bunch of

1088
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: twenty two shells and a couple of twenty games shotgun

1089
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: shells into the stock with an aluminum plate on there. Yeah,

1090
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: we always had that and then had a lot of

1091
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: like growing up, always had Stephen's shotguns. And then I

1092
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: bought my first Savage, like my first new Savage rifle

1093
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: and I think two thousand nine, and it was like

1094
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: I grew up. My dad started me out shooting right handed.

1095
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: I was always weirdly ambidextrous as a kid, and he

1096
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: eventually realized I had a dominant left eye. Like if

1097
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: you're ever curious, like if you have a dominant right

1098
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: yar donant left eye? Yeah, just act like you're doing

1099
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: a one eye aim with your thumb, Like, so pick

1100
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: some object and you're gonna aim your thumb at it um.

1101
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: You'll find a lot of guys that shoot right handed.

1102
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: When you do that, test the wind up closing it

1103
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: right eye and wanting to look left eye. And my

1104
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: old man did that with me and realized I was

1105
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: left handed. So I had to relearn how to shoot

1106
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: a bow, re learn how to shoot a gun all

1107
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: left handed, but I did it all with right handed

1108
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: stuff because I never had anything that wasn't a hand

1109
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: me down firearm until I was in my thirties. I

1110
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: didn't own a left handed rifle until I was in

1111
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: my thirties. And when I did buy a left handed rifle,

1112
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: I bought a Savage Weather Warrior rifle, and I would

1113
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: shoot and immediately drop down, throw the rifle in too

1114
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: my other hand and try to work the bolt on

1115
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: my right hand. I had to totally relearn, you know,

1116
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: on a left handed firearm over the years I've owned.

1117
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've owned and shot so many different guns,

1118
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: and I've had and I have and do on a

1119
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: handful of like very high end custom rifles that I

1120
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: would never really be in the situation to buy um

1121
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: if I didn't. You know, we're kind of the work

1122
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: I do and get stuff the way I get it,

1123
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: And so oftentimes guys are like, we'll talk about hunting

1124
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, yeah, your guns five thousand dollars

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: or six thousand dollars, And I was gonna be like, yeah,

1126
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: it is, but it doesn't. It's just that's the way

1127
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: I have and That's that I found so cool about

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: hunting with Savage rifles and shooting with them is the

1129
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: fact that people can afford it, right, It's a good

1130
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: gun you can buy and out of the box they

1131
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: just shoot in a way I can't explain. Maybe you got.

1132
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: It's like we've now messed around, like just in recent

1133
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: months me be honestly sitting here off for real quiet,

1134
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: we've messed around. How many have we shot like out

1135
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: of the box, five or six, oh maybe ten big

1136
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: game rifles out of the box, shooting the box rifle

1137
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: with the box ammo and just shooting tight ask groups

1138
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and shooting like submoa groups out of the box.

1139
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: And it's just nothing else I found. It's like that.

1140
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to a buddy mine who works in

1141
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: the firearms industry and he was saying, Yeah, the reason

1142
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: that a lot of the custom guys get piste at

1143
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: Savage because Savage rifles just do what they wanted to do,

1144
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do, but they do it for

1145
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: a tenth of the money. You know. You know, it's

1146
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: really interesting to say that that's what we're known for,

1147
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: is that lights out accuracy and and it's just that's

1148
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: that's our trademark. And it's interesting you say that about

1149
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: Gunsmith's because when we're looking to innovate and we're looking

1150
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: to come up with things like the accy trigger and

1151
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: and things that have really put us on the map

1152
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: like that, we've never looked to our competitors for inspiration

1153
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: on what to do next. We we looked at gunsmith's.

1154
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: What what is a gunsmith doing to a rifle to

1155
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: make it more accurate, to make it fit better, to

1156
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: make it, you know, and make it perform better. And

1157
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: then how can we do that on a factory basis?

1158
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't glass bed and action. So we

1159
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: came up with the Akey stock, which is more of

1160
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: a drop in solution to glass bedding and and same

1161
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: thing as just you know, long ago, triggers were horrible.

1162
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: They were they were heavy and and and because the

1163
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: lawyers kind of one out at every gun company, but

1164
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: you gotta have a heavy trigger to be safe. So

1165
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: we came out with a gun with a trigger job

1166
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: that was safe. And so really those guys, as mad

1167
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: as they are with us, there are inspiration, you know,

1168
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: because everything they do is because a gun isn't performing

1169
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: the way it should so. If so, if if a

1170
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: gun smith can make it happen once, we can make

1171
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: it happen hundreds of thousands of times. If we're creative.

1172
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: We've figured out and figure out how to make a

1173
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: factory gun and shoot like a custom gun. And I'm

1174
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of people here that have had

1175
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: that can share the same experience you've had. I mean,

1176
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: just where they shot alongside a buddy that had a

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: multi thousand dollar expensive gun and just hung right with

1178
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: him shooting them group for group, the expensive gun, the

1179
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: guns just shoot. There's a gun writer that I've always

1180
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: admired a lot um, Chuck Hawks and he and he

1181
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: was got one of the first guys I started reading about.

1182
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: It was really always celebrating, like, you know, just the

1183
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: unrivaled accuracy of coming out of the box with it.

1184
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: And what I like to buy is a lot of

1185
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: people come to me in there, you know, they'll ask you,

1186
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: like what I need to do to shoot this and

1187
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: shoot that kind of groups and um, in a way,

1188
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: I almost feel silly for in the last you know,

1189
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: the recent years, how much time I spent messing with

1190
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: the handloads and messing with guns, and I enjoy that

1191
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But it is like refreshing to be

1192
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: able to have something you just go out and tell

1193
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: people it's like gonna work, you know, flat out of

1194
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: the box. Um, when you can, you explain, like explain

1195
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: to things, Explain what an ACU trigger is, because I

1196
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: think that that's something that's not well understood. And when

1197
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: when he talks about a heavy train and light tuggar,

1198
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of things. You'll buy a new rifle

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01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: and it might have it might take like five pounds

1200
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,959
Speaker 1: or seven pounds or even on something like a nine

1201
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: pound trigger pull. It means you have to apply obviously,

1202
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: like nine pounds of pressure to get the thing to

1203
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: go bang, and you lose all kinds of accuracy by

1204
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: exerting that amount of forest on it because you're manipulating,

1205
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're moving the guns sideways when you

1206
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: do it. So explain with that how how that thing works,

1207
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: because that's kind of something I find it. Like a

1208
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of guys who aren't familiar with it, we'll look

1209
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: at it. They'll be like, what the hell is that? Yeah,

1210
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: why does that matter? Yeah, So the ACCU trigger really

1211
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: addresses the weakest link in a firearm, which is the shooter. Right.

1212
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: We could do everything we can think of to make

1213
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: the rifle more accurate, but if the shooter can't tap

1214
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: into the mechanical accuracy of the firearm, it's no good.

1215
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: And it's like exactly what you said. If you have

1216
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: a heavy trigger, anybody can line up the crosshair on something,

1217
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: but how do you how do you fire that gun

1218
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: without disrupting that cross hair? And it takes a light

1219
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: trigger to be able to do that, be able to

1220
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: fire it without disrupting a cross here, well, how do

1221
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: you do that while being safe? So if you look

1222
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: at an ACU trigger, it's got a regular trigger and

1223
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: it's got a little blade in the middle of the

1224
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: trigger that we called the an acur release, and that

1225
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: that blocks the trigger. And the best way to explain,

1226
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: especially you know an audio where I can't make gestures

1227
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: in my hands or anything. But if you've ever fired

1228
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: a single action revolver, you know there's a half cock

1229
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: position and there's a full cock position. You can fire

1230
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: that gun from the full cock position. Um, And if

1231
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: you have that gun and cockton and and you drop it,

1232
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: it'll fall all the half cock right, So we have

1233
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: internally within an accu trigger that that blade blocks the

1234
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: trigger from accidentally discharging. So in order to have that

1235
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: light trigger, we have very minimal trigger and sere engagement

1236
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: to make that trigger light. But if you were to

1237
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: drop that gun, a loaded gun hard enough yet, you

1238
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: would hear a click, and that's the accue trigger falling

1239
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: to half cock. It's not you know, on a on

1240
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: a lesser gun, you're gonna hear a bang instead of

1241
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: a click. So it still has that light triggers here engagement,

1242
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: and it still sears off if it's treated harshly when

1243
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: it's cocked, but it adds to the safety into the system.

1244
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: So the science of a lighter, crisper trigger is is

1245
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: old science. The safety aspect of it catching itself and

1246
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: clicking instead of banging, that's that's the essence of the

1247
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: accue trigger, and that allows the shooter to tap into

1248
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: all that mechanical actually in the rifle. You know that

1249
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: that accutugger deal is one of the things that first

1250
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: drew me to it is because when we're out filming,

1251
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: we got a lot of activity going on or around

1252
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: you on a hunt. You know, we got like you

1253
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: got camera guys and people moving around. It's how it's

1254
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: like if you and your buddy or out, you kind

1255
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: of always know where everybody is, you know, But in

1256
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: that kind of situation, it's you know, like safety is

1257
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: always in my mind because you just it's just like

1258
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: harder to control. And I like that just that extra element,

1259
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, of just feel better about it in those

1260
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: moments when you are ready to fire. It just like

1261
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: an extra level of control, And it just it's comforting

1262
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: to me, you know, And once you get used to

1263
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with it. So I wanna

1264
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: I want to go back to uh Mr Nash here.

1265
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about how you guys

1266
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: handle the ammunition into things? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean and

1267
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: and just like Bill talks about all the technology that

1268
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 1: goes into building a gun and building a better trigger,

1269
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: We've got a team of people back at the factory

1270
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: who are constantly looking to innovate ammunition and and give

1271
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: people more confidence when they're in the field. You know,

1272
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: sometimes ammunition is is kind of a last minute purchase decision.

1273
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm going hunting, I forgot I got to pick up

1274
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: some ammo. But to have true success, you really need

1275
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: to think about the one thing that's going to touch

1276
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: the animal out of your gun and that and that's

1277
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: the bullet. I mean, with all the hunting that you've done, Um,

1278
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: you know how important it is because you're not always

1279
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,919
Speaker 1: gonna have a perfect shot. The animal may turn, um,

1280
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: it may start walking from being in a in a

1281
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: stale position. So having a bullet that's built strong enough

1282
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: to withstand um bone, heavy tissue, not a perfect angle. Um,

1283
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: that's what we're we really focus on. And then of

1284
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: course putting it where you aim it, which is a

1285
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: combination of the right gun, the right preparation, and the

1286
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: right bullet. Yeah, that's interesting point you bring up, man,

1287
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: because I find it a conversation always had with people's.

1288
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: People are always talking about like like all the best

1289
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: case scenarios you know, and haven't been able to do

1290
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: quite a lot of big game hunting. I find it, uh,

1291
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: the best case scenarios don't happen quite as often as

1292
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: you'd like. And I think that people need to be

1293
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: better about what when the trying to select ammunition, type

1294
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: of what caliber they're gonna use, what types of distances

1295
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: they're comfortable shooting, and stop thinking about all these like

1296
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: perfect broadside right behind the shoulder situations and started asking yourself, well,

1297
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when things don't go exactly as I plan?

1298
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: And then I tooled up and fit it up for

1299
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: for those kinds of things. You know, I think it's

1300
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: like super easy. Yeah, if you can, if everything's perfect

1301
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: and you hit everything just right, sure you could. You know,

1302
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: you could be hunting big game with a you know,

1303
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: subpar stuff. But those things when things go south and

1304
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: go bad, which happens just a lot, man, And I've

1305
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: always trying to advocate the people to to to plan

1306
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: on that and and you know, stick with adequate calibers,

1307
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: stick with good ammunition, practice a lot of restraints on

1308
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: shots you're gonna take because you're think you're gonna make

1309
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: always factor. And like when things are gonna go bad,

1310
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: do you guys find like when you're building Ammo, do

1311
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 1: you somehow, Taylor you'r amal to your own brand of rifles?

1312
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like when you're building you old the federal

1313
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: premium stuff, taking like this's gonna shoot great out of

1314
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: a Savage rifle. Is that's what you think about? Well,

1315
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: as closely as we work with Savage, and we've had

1316
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: a couple of recent innovations that made from the Savage side,

1317
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: and we've partnered with them on the A seventeen UM

1318
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: and some other guns that where we can truly custom

1319
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: fit to work perfectly out of that platform. So that's

1320
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: a great advantage of being part of the same you know,

1321
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: family of seventeen Yeah, exactly. But but we also want

1322
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that if people happen to be crazy

1323
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: and not shoot a savage, UM, it's not the whole market.

1324
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: It's not the whole market. So so we got to

1325
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: make sure that we take all the most popular gun

1326
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: platforms out there and test our products in those platforms

1327
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: also so that we know that we've got the best

1328
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: quality product out there that's gonna perform no matter what

1329
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: platform you choose. But yeah, have having these guys part

1330
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: of the same family has been great because we can

1331
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: look forward and say, all right, how can we better

1332
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: meet the needs of hunters and shooters going ahead, and

1333
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: and how can we partner on that? You know what

1334
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: I asked you one last quick thing? Here are they

1335
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, like, is the AMMO shortage thing? Like is

1336
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: it done now? Kind of in your guys mind? Well,

1337
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like what was it well. Obviously, rim fire

1338
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: is a question we get asked about a lot, right,

1339
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: and um, it's a popular caliber for people getting started

1340
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: in the sport. They're more and more great platforms out

1341
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: there to shoot from. UM And when you think about it,

1342
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: used to be that you could only shoot maybe ten

1343
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: rounds out of a clip. Now there are clips out

1344
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: there that whole thirty fifty. They're different. Are style platforms

1345
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: available for twenty two And let's face it's fun to

1346
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: shoot right for a new shooter. It's not intimidating because

1347
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of recoil UM And so there's

1348
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: a combination of factors. It's it's popularity, it's more people

1349
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: coming into the sport, and um, there's also some people

1350
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: that are stuffing it in their basements. We know that too.

1351
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, in a way it became a self perpetuating

1352
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: thing because I always just took for grand Land. Like

1353
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: I think of the real shortage of twenty two shells

1354
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: that was going on, It felt like, let me back up,

1355
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: because I always took for grand When you just wanted

1356
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: some of you bought them, right, so you buy fifty

1357
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: of them or buy a thing of them, and then

1358
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: one day someone's like, oh, you know, there's it's hard

1359
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: to find. It prompted me to start doing the like

1360
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: making the problem worse by responding to that by problem,

1361
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: like by getting it. You know. So when people say like, oh,

1362
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: it's limited to two boxes and I only wanted one,

1363
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, there by two. So pretty soon

1364
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: I had massive amounts of the stuff laying around because

1365
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: it was like this self feeding thing, you know where

1366
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: I think that in some ways that kind of prompting along.

1367
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: But you guys had to get this pounded with questions

1368
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: about stuff like that. We did absolutely, and you know,

1369
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: it's it's tough because you want to have demand for

1370
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: your product, but you also don't want people to be

1371
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: dissatisfied because they can't get it. So we you know,

1372
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: we're a hundred percent committed to building more products. Federal

1373
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: and c c I are are kicking out more rim

1374
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 1: fire product than we ever have and and we're confident

1375
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: that it's going to be more readily available and I

1376
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: think we're seeing that already. Um So, but it's been

1377
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: an interesting time. A man, does anybody have uh, who

1378
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: who has any We got a question that would be, uh,

1379
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: they want to ask right now, anyone if Now, we

1380
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: got a bunch of people have come in on like

1381
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: social media with questions. I thought I would stick some

1382
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: of to you guys. Yeah, anyone one you'd like in anyway?

1383
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: Have you seen the question pick some out? Has any

1384
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: we got anything? Go ahead? Like six millimeters six? Yeah,

1385
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: restate the question to if you would that's a gun

1386
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: in an animal question? Right? Yeah? So he asked about

1387
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: the popularity of six millimeter and six point five and yeah,

1388
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: we're seeing that absolutely, and we've actually introduced a couple

1389
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: of new loads in our American Eagle product line in Federal.

1390
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: So we're we're excited to expanded to meet the demand

1391
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: of that platform. It's a very accurate um caliber and

1392
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: we're we're excited to offer more options. You know, when

1393
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: that someone rolled in and I've heard that, I've struggled

1394
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: with because I don't fully understand it is when it

1395
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: comes to like when you get a Brandy rifle out

1396
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: of the box, everybody's got a different theory about the

1397
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: breaking process and the cleaning process. Like some guys be

1398
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: like shoot it once, clean it, shoot it twice, clean it,

1399
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: shoot three times, clean it, until you're up to ten times.

1400
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: Some guys are like, I shoot it, I clean it,

1401
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: never clean it again. I mean, all these different versions

1402
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: on it, and you're make a game time decision just

1403
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: by like putting a passion and seeing what looks at

1404
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: what's your recommendation on someone with a brand new thing

1405
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: out of the box, Like he takes it out of

1406
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: the box, what should be his regimen? And then on

1407
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: top of that, once that breaking processes to however you

1408
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: define the end of it, what is your recommendation on

1409
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: like cleaning the board. It's funny. I got a guy

1410
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: right here in the booth. His name is stand Pate.

1411
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: He's a He's competes in F class, which is a

1412
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: thousand yard competition, multiple time national Champion, World Champion F

1413
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: Class shooter, and I was I was staying alongside him

1414
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: one year at the n r A show and somebody

1415
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: asking that exact same question, and his answer was, I

1416
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: just take him on, shoot him. Yeah, you know, you'll

1417
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: you'll get better accuracy out of a clean boar than

1418
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: you will out of a dirty boar. But as far

1419
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: as what prep it needs to achieve that maximum accuracy,

1420
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: we just really haven't seen anything definitive that shows us

1421
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: to any process one or the other has any effect

1422
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: on the long term accuracy of that product. The way

1423
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: it's broken in just that the you know, after it's

1424
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: broken in, however it's broken in. Clean guns is gonna

1425
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: shoot better than a dirty gun. Yeah, I've got guys,

1426
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: uh who you know say that they clean every twenty rounds.

1427
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: Guys say they clean every thousand. You're tipping more in

1428
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: the other tipping in the ladder direction. I mean, that's

1429
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: an extreme but I hate cleaning guns. So and I'm

1430
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm not a good enough shooter that the difference between

1431
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: clean board dirty board really affects me that much because

1432
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: you have to have the ability to tapp into that

1433
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: extra beta accuracy. But yeah, you know, it really depends

1434
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: on that. You know what, copper filing is an issue,

1435
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: and copper filing does contribute to opening up the groups. So,

1436
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's different by load, right, if you're shooting a

1437
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: really hot, really fast, it's gonna foul more, where some

1438
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: of these lower pressure coroptions they don't foul as much.

1439
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: So I think you just need to kind of work

1440
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: out your process and monitor your own accuracy. And but

1441
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: me personally, I'm not cleaning anymore than I have to.

1442
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: Here's no we get a lot from people, is uh.

1443
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: Guy wondered about someone who's mentioned copper filing. Guy wondered about,

1444
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: you know, copper versus lead ammo? So what what I've

1445
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: done in my own person long as I tended to

1446
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: use like you know what you call non toxic or

1447
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: solid monolithic stuff in places where like in California where

1448
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: have the condo recovery area, I've used it there, but

1449
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: I find it more and more guys, like a lot

1450
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: of guys just who are looking for just performance and ballistics,

1451
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, are going now and shooting copper. How much

1452
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: do you see, like when you look at the the

1453
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: whole realm of people buying Aima, how much you see

1454
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: that transition happening? How much is it just because I

1455
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: hang out with guys who kind of obsessed about this

1456
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: stuff a lot? Well, we definitely are seeing more popularity.

1457
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: We've we've added trophy copper to our premium line of

1458
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: products and uh introduced here at the Shot Show. We've

1459
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: got a new one power shot copper that's more of

1460
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: a mid priced copper bullet for those who want to

1461
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: shoot it. Um. You know what we've always been about

1462
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: is offering as many options for people as possible for

1463
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: those who want to shoot or have to shoot, uh,

1464
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: certain types of bullet construction, we have that capability, um,

1465
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: and others who who are tried and true lead bullet

1466
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: guys can shoot those two and and the key for

1467
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: us as we we push weight retention on bullets. So

1468
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: when when you're hunting, shooting big game, fusion is our

1469
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: our deer hunting ammunition that's got it's a bonded process

1470
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: fuse jacket to the core that holds together really well

1471
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 1: so you don't get a lot of fragmentation. Um. So

1472
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: we're again technologically advanced ammunition and options for everybody. And

1473
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: copper bullets shoot really well too. I mean we you

1474
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: can get some great accuracy out of them. But but

1475
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: do you find that that's like a fast growing segment.

1476
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: It is gaining popularity. Um, We've we've seen some good

1477
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: acceptance of our trophy copper line, but there's always gonna

1478
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: be a market for for the lead core bullets. Also. Yeah,

1479
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: I think in some ways, like a lot of that

1480
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: comes with what you're familiar with and um, yeah, man,

1481
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: just like you know, like like the bonded lead stuff.

1482
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: I just have always just trusted it and used it,

1483
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: just had great results hunting with it. You know, um,

1484
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: what else you got any more good ones? I'll be

1485
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: on time. Man, we're getting kind of overtime. You know,

1486
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: we've still got thirty minutes. Oh no, no for this portion.

1487
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh um. I like the budget versus uh match grade

1488
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: or hunting loads if they want to touch on that. Yeah,

1489
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: so here's the guys, like, can you discuss the round

1490
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: to round performance of practice or budget am o versus

1491
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: match grade or hunting loads? You want to take that

1492
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: one on well, as Bill can attest to and and

1493
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Obviously, it depends on the gun.

1494
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, different guns like different bullet styles, different grain weights.

1495
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: So we always encourage people to try a number of

1496
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: different bullets, another number of different products and see what

1497
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: works best. But um, you know, we we pride ourselves

1498
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: on making quality ammunition no matter the price point. But

1499
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: you get better features. It's like buying a luxury vehicle.

1500
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: You get leather seats, you get a moon roof, you

1501
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: get heated seats if you're if you're in the north. Um,

1502
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: but you know it's really you get what you pay for.

1503
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: And what you pay for with top quality premium ammunition

1504
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: is better accuracy, more stringent ality control, and then you

1505
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: also get features like on our trophy bonded tip product,

1506
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: you get a boat tail that in a in a

1507
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: tip that increase the ballistic performance of it. And you

1508
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: also get weight retention so that if you do happen

1509
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: to hit the shoulder bone when you're trying to to

1510
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: hit the vitals right behind it, it's gonna pass through

1511
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: and it's gonna hit the vitals. So you well, you

1512
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: don't want to have happen, is uh, you know, if

1513
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: you're shooting a trophy of a lifetime, buy a cheaper

1514
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: AMMO and have it fail on you. Just to kind

1515
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: of pile on what Jason said. Here, I'm the gun guy.

1516
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you straight up, don't put crap AMMO in

1517
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: your Savage rifle. You will you will not be impressed. Um,

1518
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes you know, from a marketing standpoint,

1519
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: we want to trouble with that because we everywhere we

1520
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: go we say accuracy, accuracy, accuracy, and when we talk

1521
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: about the one shot, one kill and all that, and

1522
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: then every one while not a lot, every one while

1523
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: send a gun back and say this gun isn't accurate,

1524
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: it's not grouping whale. And you know, say they send

1525
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: at three oh weight, I know that, I know the load.

1526
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna test that customer's rifle. I know what they're

1527
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna shoot, uh grain Federal Gold medal to see if

1528
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: that's an accurate rifle and our service Problemill shoot it

1529
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: and we'll send a gun back to the guy with

1530
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: a target and go, you got an m O a

1531
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: gun here at shot point eight, you know, And and

1532
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: they got well, I want to shoot like that with

1533
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: the crap amo. It's just not the way it works,

1534
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: you know. And I'll tell you, as a gun guy,

1535
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: you know if you you will not be satisfied with

1536
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: your rifle if you if you don't put good quality

1537
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: AMMO in it. Um from an accuracy standpoint and also

1538
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: from a just a terminal standpoint, I've never killed a

1539
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: single deer with a rifle. I've killed everyone with a bullet,

1540
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: all right. So I think of all the expense you

1541
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: go through a hunting licenses and travel and all that,

1542
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, at the least expensive part of your trip

1543
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: is going to determine your success or failure of that trip.

1544
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Just as much as the expensive part. So you know,

1545
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: don't don't spend all that money on a savage and

1546
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: a nice scope and all that, and then you'll practice

1547
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: with the cheaper amo. Fine, but you know, don't you know?

1548
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: And I don't. I'm not a bullistician, you know, I don't.

1549
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't you know all those deer I killed and

1550
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: what would have happened if I had shot cheaper ram

1551
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: a lot of them, I don't know. I don't want

1552
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: to know. I don't want to leave that to chance.

1553
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: I've personally inject enough variables into that equation through my

1554
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: own lack of skill that I just want to cross

1555
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: that off a listen, not worry about it. Yeah, that

1556
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: that's That's a good point, mate, because like all the

1557
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: shooting I do, and some of them a recreational shooter,

1558
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: but all the shooting that I do is basically like

1559
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: inspired by the fact that I'm going honey, you know,

1560
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like I spent a lot of time at

1561
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: the range. I'm like experimenting with things, seeing how things work.

1562
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm never looking for just to buy some case of

1563
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: subgrade dirty stuff that I can run through my things,

1564
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: because to me, that's not adding to my knowledge of

1565
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: my tool. You know, it's not adding my knowledge of

1566
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of doing. But I do think a

1567
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: good thing for guys who are trying to mess around

1568
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: the rifle and find out is my rifle up to

1569
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: the job or not? As an accurate not you gotta

1570
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: shoot a handful of things. Just try a couple of

1571
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: different things from a company you trust, and and and see,

1572
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: because there can be a radical difference, even right down

1573
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: to shooting twenty two is just different weights. You know,

1574
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: on you might try like a thirty six grain, thirty

1575
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: eight grain, different multiplosities and you get huge differences some guns.

1576
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: It's it's idiosyncratic. Some guns just shoot them something's better

1577
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: than others. And you really without trying three or four

1578
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: different things, just small differences. I mean, like you know,

1579
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: bullet weight stuff like that. You really have no idea

1580
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: what your thing is capable of. Because I've seen groups

1581
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: shrink out from three inch groups down to one inch

1582
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 1: groups just by going from one box Ammo to another

1583
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: box Ammo. And it's something I think a lot of

1584
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: guys overlook or they just like buy some stuff at

1585
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: the store. I have no idea what they're doing. Go

1586
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: out shoot was like this thing, don't shoot, you don't know,

1587
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: you don't know what till you get in there. All right,

1588
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeahnny concluding thought I could add to that a

1589
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, preparing for our hunt last week

1590
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: we went down to Mexico to hunt cous deer and uh,

1591
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: I was shooting a one ten and in two seventy

1592
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: and you guys sent me. I think, uh, your ballistic tips, um,

1593
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: the nozzle, ballistic tips, the um, the trophy Bonded, and

1594
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: the Sierra the King Yeah, the game King or bonded

1595
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Barry Clawing, Sierra game King. Yeah. All three of them

1596
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: shot like right at an inch, but the trophy bonded

1597
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: shot like three quarters, you know, and that was three

1598
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: three groups of each you know. So I was like, wow,

1599
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: this is great, you know, and I really got to

1600
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: test it all, which was which was awesome. But um yeah,

1601
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: that's my concluding thought on it. On The last question

1602
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: for you that I saw in there that I think

1603
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: everybody would like to know is if you could just

1604
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: hunt with one rifle right now, what would it be

1605
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: for one caliber? Yeah? I get asked it all the time. Man,

1606
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: It's such a hard question to answer. Um, right now,

1607
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of hunt with with the

1608
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: with the two seventy, so the Savage Weather Warrior in

1609
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: the two seventy Model one sixteen. It's just I don't

1610
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: mean it's so much. It comes down it's like what

1611
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: you know and what you're familiar with. It's just something

1612
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: that it I just have shot a lot and I

1613
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: just know and I'm comfortable with it. Um. I think

1614
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: that this is a few large measure by gun writers

1615
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: and other people. I think there's so much noise out

1616
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: there where people are arguing about the supremacy of of

1617
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: different calibers. It for real world hunting applications are almost indistinguishable,

1618
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: different attributes of them. Uh So, I'm kind of like

1619
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 1: I realized now, I'm kind of like a you know,

1620
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 1: like I'm an old curmudgeony guy to still have it

1621
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: to seventy and I have not ventured out. I owned

1622
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: many calibers, but just like something I almost like because

1623
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like, uh, you know, it's like

1624
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: having a It's like having a campfire. It's like this

1625
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: old comfortable thing that I know well and I have

1626
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: great luck with it. Man if I but if I

1627
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: had to own one if I just like hunt, because

1628
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: I own a wide variety of things, everything from moves

1629
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: down to have alina, I would probably if I just

1630
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: had to have one for real, it's probably like a

1631
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, something in the line of a three mag

1632
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: just something to be like kind of a little bit heavy,

1633
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit heavy for some applications, maybe

1634
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: a tad in some people's minds, tad life for other applications.

1635
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: That would be my one sweet spot thing right now.

1636
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Like my hunting arsenal is my two seventy and then

1637
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: with that I shoot you know, one grain bullets. Then

1638
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: I have a thirty caliber rifle that I got that

1639
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I could shoot one eighties and two d grain bullets

1640
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: for big Alaska stuff. And I feel pretty covered. Concluding

1641
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: thoughts to nice quiver, I mean to seventies been proven

1642
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: for for years and and it speaks again to the

1643
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: quality of the bullet. If you're shooting a trophy bonded

1644
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 1: tip but not as a partition fusion, and you put

1645
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: the shot in the right spot, that's gonna do the job.

1646
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: And I like to seventy two. I've got a two

1647
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: seventies short mag and of course the thirty six is

1648
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: also a favorite. Know where I'm from and where everybody's from. Yeah,

1649
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: when you say how's the favorite you're from, what, Like

1650
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I grew up in Michigan, it would be that there

1651
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: was a day and I was very young when I

1652
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: happened when everybody had a thirty thirty. It was like

1653
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: it was like, oh yeah, it's a brush gun. And

1654
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: it was like one day you woke up and everybody

1655
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: in the world shot the thirty ot six. You know,

1656
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: it was just like this thing that happened overnight. Janice

1657
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: is still yeah I shot takes a long Yeah, but

1658
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: it was just like this there's so much regionality to it,

1659
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: and you talk to other guys. I got friends who,

1660
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, brought up in other states. You never touched it.

1661
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: It's just like you had like your region and the

1662
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: guys and your region kind of like spread these little things.

1663
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: I think where that's all that, you know, misinformation and

1664
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: just like ancestral stuff comes from where you just like

1665
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: have these ideas that you're familiar with. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Bill,

1666
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: you got some concluding thoughts. Yeah, I think for me personally,

1667
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: it just especially when hunting, it just comes down to

1668
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: putting in a time on preparation. You know, like you said,

1669
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: it's what you're comfortable with. What you're not gonna be

1670
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: comfortable with something you don't spend time with. So spend

1671
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: some time I'm on the range with your rifle. Spend

1672
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: some time shooting different loads of ammunition so you know

1673
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: your confident that the particular load that you selected is

1674
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna perform. Be comfortable with your optic,

1675
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: be comfortable with all your gear. For me, I'm just

1676
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just too simple minded. I can't think about

1677
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff when I got it, you know, an

1678
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: animal in front of me. I just I just wanted

1679
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff off the list. I don't want to

1680
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: worry about it, and I don't worry about it when

1681
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: I put the time in. Yeah. Man, that's a good point.

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: And it's something that I find myself kind of pound

1683
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: my head and about is there's so many guys out there,

1684
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: and you know, you might just hunt like a couple

1685
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: of days a year. And I feel like even if

1686
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,799
Speaker 1: that's the case, like if that's all your schedule has allout,

1687
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: you need to spend more time with your equipment. I

1688
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: think it's like you have an obligation to yourself, You

1689
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: have obligation to others, You have obligation of the animal,

1690
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: just to get to understand what it is it's going on,

1691
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: how this stuff works. It's an investment, man. And even

1692
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: for the two day a year a hunter, you gotta

1693
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: tab I think you almost gotta have like an annual

1694
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: where we were like a you know, a year round

1695
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: approach to thinking about your kit, thinking about your gear,

1696
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: and thinking about what you're gonna do. Alright, with that,

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01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: wrap up this part, um me eet your podcast to

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01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the next time. Except coming at it from shot show

1699
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: not open to the public, so I can't just say come,

1700
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be. You gotta find a way to finagle

1701
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: your way in, uh through some kind of innge. We

1702
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: just encourage that these guys that's coming from me find

1703
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: a way to finage your way in and come and

1704
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: see what's going on in the the outdoor hunting and

1705
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: and and shooting worlds. All right, until next time,