1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 4: Yes? 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Were with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, February twelfth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty, 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 6: episode number one oh two. Welcome to the latest edition 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 6: Over the Break, Live from s WBC Mortgage Studios at 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 6: the Star, presented by LG. LG's the world's number one 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 6: O lead TV brand for eleven years in counting See 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 6: why LG dot Com Ford slash O lead EVO. We 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 6: got the crew back together. We did not have a 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 6: show last week because so many people just decided they 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 6: didn't want to come to work. Everybody stay what except 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 6: for me, and but now we got you guys back. Happy, 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 6: everybody's back. I'm sure you got some great stories from 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 6: your uh, your trips to the super Bowl and Amber 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 6: had a little family trip. 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody had. 26 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 7: Very cool land or world World. 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: It's fun Diego's first time. So you know, that was. 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 7: Great, awesome, you know, it's magical. 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 6: But you guys coming back from the Super Bowl, and 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 6: actually I wanted to start the conversation there. Obviously, the 31 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 6: Eagles get their win, they get their second UH championship 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 6: in the history of their franchise. As you watch that game, 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 6: and I found myself doing this, I thought it'd be 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 6: an interesting question just to go around the table. 35 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: What do you think was. 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 6: The biggest takeaway you had as you put it in 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 6: Cowboys world and you watch the Eagles do what they did, 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 6: and obviously, knowing this is a league where it's a 39 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 6: copycat league, people typically look for things that are successful 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 6: when they try to do some of them, not all 41 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 6: of them, but some of them. What was the biggest 42 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 6: takeaway that you grab from that Eagles game? You're like, 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 6: that's what the Cowboys need, That's what the Cowboys need 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 6: to do. 45 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 8: Can I can I look at it from a totality 46 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 8: rather than the game. You know, Stephen Jones has said 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 8: that the Eagles eventually their payday is gonna come as 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 8: far as all the investments that they've made into into 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 8: their roster, and he's right, But how much do you 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 8: balance that with sacrificing it for the now and trying 51 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 8: to push for a Super Bowl for the now? And 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 8: Jerry Jones said last offseason, and he said again on 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 8: the NFL Honors Red Carpet and New Orleans last Thursday night, 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 8: Is said, we're not building for the future. 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 7: We're trying to win now. 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 8: And I think if that's truly the case, then they 57 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 8: can look at what the Eagles have done as far 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 8: as Okay, hey, we we're gonna shorten our window by 59 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 8: about two years by investing so much on both sides 60 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 8: of the wall here, but it's gonna give us a 61 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 8: better chance during that window. And obviously it worked out 62 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 8: for Howie Roseman. He gets to put a ring on 63 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 8: his hand and you know, whenever those whenever the cap 64 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 8: hell is coming around the corner, then he can wipe 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 8: it with a ring on his hand, you know. And 66 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 8: I think you have to balance that, and that's the 67 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 8: balance act of a GM. It's what makes this league 68 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 8: difficult from a GM's perspective. But I think that's one 69 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 8: thing I look at and saying, like, hey, the Rams 70 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 8: sacrificed it, they got to ring out of it. The 71 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 8: Buccaneers sacrifice it, they got to ring out of it, 72 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 8: and now the Eagles have done the same thing. So 73 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 8: you wonder maybe that's maybe that's the bread and butter 74 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 8: figuring this thing out. 75 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 9: It's about really the ability to navigate the draft and 76 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 9: then free agency. How important both of them are. If 77 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 9: you look at the key player, even though he didn't 78 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 9: play the key role in that game with Barkley and 79 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 9: going out and getting they made the commitment to go 80 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 9: out and get him, spend eleven million dollars to get 81 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 9: that particular player, even though there's like you know, the 82 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 9: injury history and all that, the draft was outstanding for him. 83 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 9: Cooper Degene, you know, you look at Quintin Mitchell. You 84 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 9: look at those guys and the way that they played 85 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 9: with with that, with those guys and the secondary, the 86 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 9: draft picks that they made throughout the Georgia kids are 87 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 9: starting to show up now. I mean there was you know, 88 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 9: that was something they had multiple first round picks, they 89 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 9: moved around, you know, they they the earmarked players and 90 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 9: were able to get them. Some players fell right to them. 91 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 9: They made the picks. It just showed me how important 92 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 9: is they balance between the free agency and the draft 93 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 9: is the building the football team. 94 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 10: I wanted to ask you something and this is not 95 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 10: U because I completely agree with your point, and this 96 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 10: is not to argue with it, but me with someone 97 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 10: that's not one hundred percent super knowledgeable with the cap 98 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 10: and the money and all of that. But right, it's 99 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 10: so complicated. 100 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 9: Even the people that work. 101 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 10: But at what point do you get to that because 102 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 10: we keep hearing, okay, your your hands are so tied, right, 103 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 10: but when when do you get to a point that 104 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 10: you can actually make those moves or have the ability 105 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 10: to put that kind of money and invest in that way. 106 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 8: Let's we can put it from the Cowboys perspective. Yes, easy, Yes, 107 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 8: this offseason specifically, and you go on spow Track or 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 8: you go on over the Cap, and yes, there are 109 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 8: things you can do with the current cap number that 110 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 8: the Cowboys have available going into this offseason. However, it's 111 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 8: not as easy as just clicking a button on Spowtrack 112 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 8: or over the CAAP dot com. Yes, you could restructure 113 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 8: Terrance Steal this offseason. Yes, you could restructure Trayvon Dix. Yes, 114 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 8: if you got a Michael Parsons deal done today, that 115 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 8: could allow you to push some of that money down 116 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 8: the line and maximize the two to three year window 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 8: that you have right now. Yes, and I think that 118 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 8: should be priority number one when you go into this 119 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 8: offseason and saying like, hey, we need to get Michael 120 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 8: Parsons done before March twelfth, when the new league year hits, 121 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 8: so we know what we're spending in free agency. 122 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 7: If I were the Cowboys, that's what I would be saying. 123 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 8: But you can move some of those things along to 124 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 8: create more money for now, and that's you look at 125 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 8: what Philadelphia did last year as far as getting Jalen 126 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 8: Hurts done early, DeVante Smith done early. It allowed them 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 8: to kind of figure out what they want to do 128 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 8: as far as pushing that money down the line. They 129 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 8: were able to bring in Saquon Barkley, they were able 130 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 8: to bring in Zach Bond, who's a Defensive Player of 131 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 8: the Year candidate. And granted, they're going to have to 132 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 8: pay that bill when that time comes because they push 133 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 8: that money down the line, so that that ninety million 134 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 8: dollars cap hit or whatever for Jalen Hurts, it's coming 135 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 8: in twenty seven. 136 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 7: I think that's coming, and that's going to. 137 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 8: Be really difficult to get out of but they got 138 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 8: a ring out of it, So it's it's from the 139 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 8: Cowboys perspective. I think they don't want to be in 140 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 8: that situation at any point in time, so they don't 141 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 8: create that. And part of that's respectable. But I think 142 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 8: also you also have to look at, Okay, some a 143 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 8: lot of these teams that are winning rings and have 144 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 8: rings on their hand they've sacrificed. Does there come up 145 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 8: points where you eventually have to sacrifice? 146 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 6: But I also think part of it is I think 147 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 6: they did it, they did it a different way, but 148 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 6: the amount of money that they spent primarily on their 149 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 6: own players in that two thousand to two thousand and 150 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 6: three window, that was really their window. Like they had 151 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 6: a team that they built that was on paper good enough. 152 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: To do some stuff. 153 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 6: They just missed their window, in my opinion, now they're 154 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 6: having then they had to pay the piper last year, 155 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 6: Like it was like, Okay, now you got to pay 156 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 6: the bill on what you've had the last three years, 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 6: and you didn't get to that promised land with the 158 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 6: strategy you took the players you decided to pay. Now 159 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 6: they never went all in like the Eagles. From the 160 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 6: standpoint of we're gonna go out and free agency and 161 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 6: spend that kind of money. But they certainly were spending 162 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 6: money on their own guys and resigning their own guys, 163 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 6: and so I just believe like they had a window. 164 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 6: They just didn't achieve what they wanted to achieve in 165 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 6: that window. 166 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's fair. 167 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 9: I was just curious because I was looking up Jalen 168 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 9: Hurts because he doesn't he never makes more than fifty 169 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 9: million dollars a year, and that and to the void 170 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 9: the the cap pit you're talking about the ninety seven 171 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 9: million that comes in twenty twenty nine. Yeah, I mean 172 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 9: he makes his cap number this year. 173 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: How long is this deal? 174 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 9: His deal, his deal actually goes through, He's got they've 175 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 9: got voidable years going through this thing all the way through. 176 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 9: It looks like twenty thirty two. 177 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 178 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 9: So when he did it, it was like a Yeah, 179 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 9: they got him for They got him on his rookie deal. 180 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 9: They got him to sign it on his rookie deal. 181 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 9: His cap number this year was thirteen and a half 182 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 9: million dollars. His cap number next year is twenty one eight. 183 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 9: The following year is thirty one nine. Very manageable for 184 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 9: the cap the cap year in twenty twenty seven, forty 185 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 9: two to one, twenty twenty eight, forty seven to five, 186 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 9: and then you get the and then you get the 187 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 9: ninety seven million dollars. 188 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: Now, of course they're gonna have to do something with that. 189 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 6: You would have to, but they might be thinking about it, like, 190 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 6: but he's signed be at thirty one mins old. 191 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, he'll be thirty one years old in twenty twenty nine, 192 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 9: so they'll they'll figure out some other way and then 193 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 9: that's probably where they'll have to pay him, if you know. 194 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: But think about that. 195 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 9: I mean they've got him from from from well this 196 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 9: year until twenty twenty nine, and he's there, he's not 197 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 9: making more than fifty million dollars a year. 198 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, you look at aj Brown in twenty thirty his 199 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 8: cap number is fifty three and a half million. 200 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 7: I mean that there's there's a lot of Steven Joones 201 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 7: is right. The bill is going to have to be paid. 202 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 6: But they got but they got a window of what 203 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 6: four or five years where they can. 204 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 8: Just kind of twenty twenty eight to really run this 205 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 8: thing up. So I mean that's a hell of a window. 206 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: And they got a ton of talent. 207 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 7: Window they got a talent. And I'll put. 208 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 6: It to you like this, And this is what jumped 209 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 6: out to me as I was watching that game that 210 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 6: I think every team in the NFL. You hear it 211 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 6: said all the time, but everybody doesn't really invest in. 212 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: It the same way. The trenches matter. 213 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 6: If you've got the better offensive and defensive line, you 214 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 6: will win. And we saw it play out in that game. 215 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 6: They were playing the best quarterback on the planet and 216 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 6: he couldn't be the best quarterback on the planet because 217 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 6: their defensive line was too ferocious. They just couldn't be 218 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 6: And by the way, they have the best offensive line, 219 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 6: so they were able to protect their quarterback and they 220 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 6: weren't able to get the kind of pressure on him. 221 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 6: The trenches were where that game was won and lost. 222 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 6: And I think that's that was the takeaway for me. 223 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 6: And then you want to apply it to the Cowboys 224 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 6: and I'm like, Okay, look at the offensive line. Man, 225 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 6: there's a bunch of question marks on that offensive line 226 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 6: right now. Other than Tyler Smith. You don't have another 227 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: guy that you say, yes, that is he is where 228 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 6: he needs to be. There a lot of guy. 229 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 7: What we know about. 230 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: BB is he looked pretty good as a rookie. He's 231 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: got a lot of development to do. 232 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 6: So if he keeps developing, great, that's still a question mark, right, Yeah. 233 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: I mean so guid In same thing. Like Guiden had 234 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: some moments that were pretty good. He's got some developing 235 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: to do. You know, still had a better second half 236 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: than the first half. 237 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 6: But is he like is that is that a sign 238 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 6: of things to come that he's going to have more 239 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: of the bad games and the good games the time 240 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 6: goes on? 241 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: You know, are you going to have Zach Martin back? 242 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: And is so is he going to be healthy? 243 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 6: Like you have all these question marks on that side 244 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 6: of the ball, On the defensive side of the ball, 245 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 6: you got just as many, if not more questions about 246 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 6: where you are right now. So I think just looking 247 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 6: at the trenches, just looking at the trenches alone, I 248 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 6: think the Cowboys have a lot of questions answered. If 249 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 6: everything works out and everybody meets the standard of what 250 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 6: they're of those questions, great it works. There are a 251 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 6: lot of questions there, and I think that's the part 252 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 6: where I'm like, if I'm going into this offseason and 253 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 6: you start talking about draft as you guys are doing 254 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 6: on the Draft show, I would be looking at this 255 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 6: thing saying, man, build my lines. 256 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: Build my lines. 257 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 6: That's why that's what I got out at Super Bowl. 258 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 6: Build my offense and build my defensive line. I can 259 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 6: make everything else work. 260 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 7: It's tough. It's a discussion. 261 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 8: I know we've had a couple of times already on 262 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 8: the draft shows the offensive line. 263 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 7: When do you start investing on the end. 264 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 8: Do you want to go three out of four years 265 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 8: picking in the first round on offensive line? 266 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 6: And they did it when it worked for them back 267 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 6: with that that last crew they had. 268 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 7: Right, certainly, certainly there's a case to be made for it. 269 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 9: There was those guys though, were collegiately. They played a 270 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 9: lot more than what you had with Geyton. Yeah, you 271 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 9: know guys, Frederick Martin, you know those guys. They they've 272 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 9: played they yeah, they played you know Smith, They've played 273 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 9: a lot of football in college. 274 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: The problem is Smith. 275 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 6: Came out after eleven. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 276 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 6: He came out after his junior year. Right, did all 277 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 6: of them come out after their junior year? 278 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 9: I think I think I think the scene I think, uh, 279 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 9: I think Frederick and Martin were seniors because they Yeah, 280 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 9: I mean they played a ton, They played a ton 281 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 9: of football. The thing about is you caught Geyiton on 282 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 9: the tail end of the tackles in the draft last year. 283 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 9: You know you you caught him on the tail end, 284 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 9: and that's that's you know you're picking. You're picking twenty 285 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 9: eighth and you're looking at a tackle and you you 286 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 9: know you picked him, and that's you know, he has 287 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 9: not played a lot of football. Bbe played a lot 288 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 9: of football and didn't look the learning curve for him 289 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 9: didn't look as steep as what it looked for Guiton, 290 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 9: you know. And I think that's you know, the problem 291 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 9: that I have with this draft. And I'm not going 292 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 9: to speak for Nick. If you're told me to fix 293 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 9: the trent, to fix the trenches, I feel better about 294 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 9: fixing it with defensive linemen than I do offensive lineman 295 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 9: right now. It's because of the talent pool and the 296 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 9: talent pool and then and I think there's a I 297 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 9: think there's a really big unknown for a lot of 298 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 9: these offensive. 299 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: Linemen and you want to see a playout. 300 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 9: I you know what, it scares the f out of 301 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 9: me right now, to be honest, if. 302 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: You were the personnel guy in there, you'd be like, 303 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 304 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 7: I mean, I I have, I have. 305 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 9: I have really good feelings about I feel have really 306 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 9: good feelings about the defensive tackle group. I have really 307 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 9: good feelings about the running back group. I have good 308 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 9: feelings about the wide receiver group. In a way, I 309 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 9: actually have a good feeling about the corners in this draft, 310 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 9: I don't I'm gonna have to go into free agency, 311 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 9: you know, I'm gonna have to figure out do I 312 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 9: want to? And I was looking at over the cap 313 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 9: on this. You know, when you talk, we're not allowed 314 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 9: to talk about guys that are contracting on the orion teams. 315 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: Okay, unless they're gonna be a free agent. 316 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 9: Okay, O our linebacker Kansas City, right, Okay, is he 317 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 9: he's I think he's a I think he's a free agent. 318 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 11: For it. 319 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 3: Let's make sure he's a free agent. 320 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, But I'm just saying. We got your 321 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 9: point though, we get okay, But I would rather, I 322 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 9: would rather. I would rather spend money on that than 323 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 9: I would spend money on what I what I know 324 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 9: right now, what I what I know. I think I'm 325 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 9: right about. 326 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: What you know right now? On the on the on 327 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 3: the Guy. 328 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 9: Osa, Golston, Lewis, those kinds of guys. 329 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 7: Yeah, Nick Bolton will be a free agent. 330 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 9: Thank you. Okay, Nick Bolton, I just I thought I 331 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 9: was right about that. But Nick Bolton, Okay, I don't 332 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 9: have a linebacker that. I don't have linebackers that I 333 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 9: could just say that's my guy, that's my guy, that's 334 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 9: my guy. It's just not a deep position. And if 335 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 9: you look at the valuation of Nick Bolden as a player, 336 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 9: he's basically he's on a rookie deal, but he's like 337 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 9: a nine million dollar player. So you're probably going to 338 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 9: have to spend twelve million dollars to get Nick Bolton 339 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 9: is here. But then, but if you look at the 340 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 9: valuations of guys like Golston nine million dollar player or 341 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 9: or Osa, which might be a twelve to thirteen million 342 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 9: dollar player, give me the linebacker over what I know 343 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 9: with with Osa and what I know with with Golston. 344 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 9: In that kind of situation, I would rather I think 345 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 9: I could I could draft, I can draft the defensive line. 346 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 9: I don't know if I could find the linebackers for you. 347 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 9: So if I get a guy, it's a stud linebacker. 348 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 9: And these scouts, right, now are gonna, you know, they're 349 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 9: starting to meet with the coaches because they got the 350 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 9: staff together, and now Flus will be able to tell them, hey, 351 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 9: I like this type or I like that type, and 352 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 9: the linebacker I like this type and I like you know, 353 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 9: they'll be able to kind of map that out. But 354 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 9: I just feel that to me, if I have to 355 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 9: spend thirteen million dollars on os, I would rather spend 356 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 9: nine to ten million dollars on Bolton, the linebacker from 357 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 9: Kansas City. That's what I would rather do. 358 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: All right, let's take our first break. 359 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 6: When we come back, I want to talk about some 360 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 6: of the hires that we have not talked about for 361 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 6: this coaching staff, particular offensive coordinator and what he could 362 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 6: potentially bring to the table. 363 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: Do that when we come right back. 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Yeah, twenty twenty five, 433 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: that's what we're doing. 434 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 9: All right. 435 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 6: Let's let's talk about some of the hires that this 436 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 6: coaching staff has made let's start first to the offensive 437 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 6: coordinator Clayton and Clayton Adams. What are your thoughts on 438 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 6: that hire as an offensive coordinator coming from Arizona. 439 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 8: I think it's a strong hire personally. I think there's 440 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 8: an emphasis being taken right now to running the ball 441 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 8: that they want to. They want to run the ball 442 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 8: with this new system Schottenheimer talked about in the presser. 443 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 8: Dak mentioned it yesterday at the Children's Cancer Fund event, 444 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 8: and you look at the hires that they've made. They 445 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 8: are trying to emphasize marrying what Schottenheimer can do from 446 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 8: a West Coast passing perspective with an efficient run game, 447 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 8: and the Clayton Adams hires a big, big key of 448 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 8: that coming from the Cardinals as their offensive line coach. Obviously, 449 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 8: I'm going to throw some numbers at you and let 450 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 8: me know if it starts getting too confusing, Derek, But 451 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 8: this is the splits that Arizona had last year when 452 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 8: it came to run concepts, and I'm going to compare 453 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 8: those numbers with the Cowboys numbers from last year. So 454 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 8: inside zone runs Arizona ran nineteen point six percent of 455 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 8: the time last year compared to the Cowboys thirty one 456 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 8: point one percent, so a lean, heavy on not a 457 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 8: lot of creativity. Same could be said with outside zone. 458 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 8: When it came to inside zone and outside zone, the 459 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 8: two most common runs that you'll see in the NFL. 460 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 8: The Cowboys ran one of those two fifty three point 461 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 8: seven percent of the time. You compare that with the 462 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 8: Cardinals from last year. I'm trying to do quick math 463 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 8: in my head, thirty nine point one percent last year. 464 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 8: But the one that really sticks out to me and 465 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 8: the one that I think will really help benefit this 466 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 8: not only this running game, but this offensive line group 467 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 8: is the poll lead run that is getting an offensive 468 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 8: lineman out in space, having him run down field and 469 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 8: and you know, pull guys from across the angle blocks 470 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 8: angles than line scrimmage one on one blocks. And Arizona 471 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 8: ran that fourteen point two percent of the time last 472 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 8: year on one hundred and twenty three carries. Compare that 473 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 8: to the Cowboys eleven point nine percent on ninety nine 474 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 8: carries last year. 475 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 7: So there's going to be. 476 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 8: A lot of different things that you see with with 477 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 8: this run game, and the Clayton Adams hire is a 478 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 8: big part of that. I think you marry that with 479 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 8: offensive line coach Connor and what Kansas State has done 480 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 8: from a creative running perspective with goos Vaughan, with DJ 481 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 8: Giddens over the course of the last three years. You 482 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 8: were going to have a creative run game finally, and 483 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 8: I am so happy to say that right here. 484 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: So here's my question. 485 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 6: You talk about that, do you have the offensive line 486 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 6: personnel to be able to do those things. 487 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 7: You hope you will? 488 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 9: At right tackle you do, yes, I agree, At center 489 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 9: you do, At left guard you do. Now we'll see 490 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 9: with what happens who's the left tackle, if it's Guiden 491 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 9: or if it's somebody else. But the one thing some 492 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 9: of the better plays that Geiiton did have if you 493 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 9: watch Oklahoma tape, was him getting out in space. So 494 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 9: the pind and pull stuff is really. 495 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: Just that's actually easier blocks. 496 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 9: So simple because you just and the the you said 497 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 9: eleven percent Dallas on the that's cracked toss. That's you know, 498 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 9: we saw how they get the ball to the outside. 499 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 9: It's take the receiver, crack the edge, then kind of 500 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 9: pull guys on the outside and and Dallas had some 501 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 9: success doing that. So, uh, yeah, the center got better 502 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 9: second level during the season. The right tackle is clearly 503 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 9: athletic enough to play pen and poll, I agree, and 504 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 9: then the and then but in the left guard is 505 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 9: athletic enough to play pen and pool. So you're gonna 506 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 9: have to kind of figure out though the other spots, 507 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 9: if that's what I think. The thing that tells me 508 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 9: that I look at those numbers is that people that 509 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 9: that Arizona got to a point where they were like, listen, 510 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 9: you try and stop us doing this. We're going to 511 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 9: do this. They're able to kind of adjust. And and 512 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 9: the thing that I heard about Adams as a coach 513 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 9: from talking to people with the Cardinals is that he 514 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 9: is a guy that will coach veterans and rookies the same. 515 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 9: He'll cook, he'll coach them hard, but not to the point. 516 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 9: I mean, he's more of a teacher kind of a guy, 517 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 9: not a yellow screamer guy. But he this is where 518 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 9: guys like needs Godon needs a reset, you know, Goidon 519 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 9: needs a reset on. Okay, maybe a different voice. We saw, 520 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 9: you know, we saw what happened with with Steele when 521 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 9: Philbin left. It kind of you know, that was Philbin 522 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 9: was his guy. So I think that if you tell 523 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 9: me that I have a coach that will work with 524 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 9: rookies and veterans the same way and teach them the 525 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 9: same way. That gives me some hope for guiding and 526 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 9: going in the future. 527 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 8: I'm glad you mentioned Steel because I think these hires 528 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 8: that they have made that benefit the offensive line benefit 529 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 8: Terrence Steel more than. 530 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 7: Any five of those guys up front. 531 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 8: When you when you can maximize his athleticism, get him 532 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 8: active in the run game once again rather than just 533 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 8: point of attack blocking, you know, front, I think it's 534 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 8: going to really help Terrence Steele moving forward. 535 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 10: Well, I what I like the best is obviously the 536 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 10: running aspect of it. But the point that the Cowboys 537 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 10: and Schottenheimer, they all decided to go and hire somebody 538 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 10: that has exactly the qualities and the skills where you're 539 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 10: lacking that they and that doesn't always happens when the 540 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 10: Cowboys go out and hire somebody that you're like familiar, yeah, 541 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 10: like okay, what else are they bringing to the table. 542 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 10: But this is someone that is clearly bringing something that 543 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 10: you have been struggling with and we're unable to truly 544 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 10: find the answers to it. Got better at the end 545 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 10: of the season, but you clearly needed a change there. 546 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 10: So that's the biggest thing that I like is the 547 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 10: fact that it's refreshing to finally be able to feel 548 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 10: like you addressed an issue, and that isn't always the 549 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 10: case when the Cowboys do hiring or get somebody in here. 550 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 8: Kind Of to that same point, I got to give 551 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 8: Brian Schottenheimer credit because twenty five years as an assistant, 552 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 8: you run into a lot of coaches, you run into 553 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 8: a lot of relationships, you build a lot of relationships. 554 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 7: Obviously he's a relationships guy. 555 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 8: I got to give him credit for stepping outside of 556 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 8: his comfort zone and building the staff and bringing in 557 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 8: the right guys. And you know, Clayton Adams isn't a 558 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 8: guy that he has experienced with. Then Connor Riley is 559 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 8: not a guy he has experienced with. There's multiple guys 560 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 8: you could say that about on the offensive side of 561 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 8: the ball. Granted, they retained two guys that were on 562 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 8: staff already, but I think you ask anybody, those are 563 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 8: two staffer retentions that you would have wanted. So I 564 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 8: gotta got a credit Shotenheimer for doing that. 565 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: Yep, all right, let's talk about. 566 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 6: Excuse me a couple of the other position coaches who 567 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 6: have been hired Connor Riley. You mentioned offensive line coach 568 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 6: from k State, Junior Adams coming from Oregon as wide 569 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 6: receivers coach, and Derek Foster as a running back coach 570 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 6: running backs coach. 571 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: Tell what you like about some of those guys. 572 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 8: The first thing that popped in my mind is running backs, 573 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 8: so we can start there, just because it's going to 574 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 8: be a position group that gets a lot of conversation 575 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 8: this offseason, whether we're talking about the draft, when do 576 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 8: you take one? Do you take one early? Do you 577 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 8: take one late? 578 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 7: Uh? 579 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 8: Free agency? Do you do you grab one then or 580 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 8: do you wait and grab two in the draft? There's 581 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 8: gonna be a lot of free running back discussions that 582 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 8: we have, not only in this show, but on the 583 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 8: Draft Show. Derek Foster when you when you factor in 584 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 8: his evaluation of running backs, He's drafted three running backs 585 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 8: as a running backs coach in his time over the 586 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 8: course of the last five or so years. Have not 587 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 8: loved the resume as far as who he's brought in. 588 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 8: The best running back that he has drafted, the only 589 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 8: one that is still in the NFL is Isaiah Spiller 590 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 8: and hasn't done a whole lot obviously, so I wonder 591 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 8: how much he will get when it comes to the 592 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 8: evaluation of these guys. But you look at how Derek 593 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 8: Foster has maximized what he has gotten at the running 594 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 8: back position, I think there's a lot to like there. 595 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 8: You could look at Austin Eckler when he was kind 596 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 8: of overseeing his rise for the Chargers. You could look 597 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 8: at Kamara this last year when Kamara was healthy and 598 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 8: we were talking earlier in the year about Kamara being 599 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 8: an Offensive Player of the Year candidate before the Saints 600 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 8: fell off a cliff. So I think I think as 601 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 8: far as marrying the run with the receiving game out 602 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 8: of the backfield, Derek Foster is a good higher there. 603 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, you start to talk about with Adams 604 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 9: the wide receivers coach, you know, that's gonna that's a 605 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 9: really that's a big hire. That's a that's a group 606 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 9: of you know, Dallas has got to figure out some 607 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 9: things at the at the receiver room, whether that's you know, 608 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 9: with Tolbert and you know players currently behind Lamb. You know, 609 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 9: this is a pretty deep group that Nick and I 610 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 9: are talking about with you know, the guys that can 611 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 9: play the exposition, play on the line, allow CD to 612 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 9: kind of have some of the movement stuff that he needs. 613 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 9: But uh, it's interesting that they went the collegiate route here. Uh, 614 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 9: you know, because usually it's a group. It's kind of 615 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 9: a that wide receiver room usually has a lot of 616 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 9: egos and usually so you just wonder, maybe you have 617 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 9: to have a player that relates or excuse me, a 618 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 9: coach that relates to the players, and you know, hopefully 619 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 9: he can get the maximum out of these guys. I 620 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 9: do think they're going to have to address this thing 621 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 9: through the draft, you know, I think they're going to 622 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 9: have to get better at that position, so you know, hopefully, 623 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 9: I mean, you know, we'll connect the dots here on 624 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 9: the show because you know, Tess Johnson, who is a 625 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 9: wide receiver from Oregon, is a very talented receiver. 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Let's start 701 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 6: our season in review. I'm going to start this with 702 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 6: this big picture question. If you had one word that 703 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 6: would describe the twenty twenty four season for the Dallas Cowboys, 704 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 6: which of these three best describes Disappointing, frustrating or predictable? 705 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 8: Disappointing, disappointing in the fact of injuries, in the fact 706 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 8: of team performance, and the fact of offensive performance too. 707 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 8: You can factor it in before the injuries even got involved. 708 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 8: Look at Dak Prescott's play. He was on pace to 709 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 8: set his career high in interceptions at a certain point, 710 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 8: you look at any facet of the game. 711 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 7: The run game was disappointing. That was a little bit 712 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 7: more predictable, but. 713 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 8: The overall offense success was disappoint The pass rush before 714 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 8: Michael Parsons was able to come back into the equation 715 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 8: was disappointing. UH seven to ten overall is disappointing. 716 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 9: I would say expected because to me, you look at 717 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 9: the situation with the with the you know, the coach 718 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 9: on a one year deal, the you know, the staff 719 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 9: on a one year deal. I mean, what were you 720 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 9: really expecting here, you know? I mean you, yeah, the 721 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 9: injuries and all that. You had some of the same problems, 722 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 9: and there are things you saw during training camp that 723 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 9: that bothered you. You know, as the season was, you know, 724 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 9: you're like, well, man, this is not going to be good. 725 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 9: So in a way, it's you kind of got what 726 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 9: you You kind of got what you were expecting, that 727 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 9: that this was going to be a struggle because of 728 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 9: the front office saying, hey, the coach is on this, 729 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 9: the coaches are on this, got a new coordinator here. 730 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 9: You know, it just seemed to me that there was 731 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 9: it just never was going in the right direction once 732 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 9: we left Oxnard. 733 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 10: I would say predictable because even though there are times 734 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 10: that you're hoping and you get into the emotions and 735 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 10: you think, oh, they're gonna do better than it's that 736 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 10: hard over logic type of battle there. But when you 737 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 10: go back to the beginning of training camp and when 738 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 10: you go back to how the year the game ended 739 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 10: against Green Bay and you talk Derek about missing that window. 740 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 10: You missed that window. You knew the struggles you were 741 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 10: heading into training camp with. And then even at training camp, 742 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 10: you start having those practices with the Rams and you 743 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 10: see these battles and you see them getting beat and 744 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 10: you're like, Okay, am I really seeing what am I seeing? 745 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 10: And you're not really wanting to believe it. But if 746 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 10: you look at that like that, it reflected back to 747 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 10: all the way back to training camp and those battles 748 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 10: where they kept getting beat. So it's just a lot 749 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 10: of it pointed to that season being bad. That was 750 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 10: gonna be bad in a lot of different ways because 751 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 10: of the resources that you no longer had prior because 752 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 10: of the previous year. So but also I didn't predict 753 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 10: the defense to have players that would play as well 754 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 10: as they did, So that's another thing. There were a 755 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 10: lot of players that played a lot better than I 756 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 10: expected them to in the second half of the season. 757 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 10: So I don't know, it was disappointing, frustrating, and predictable 758 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 10: because you already knew you you were heading into a 759 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 10: season with a lot of struggles. 760 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 6: You know, I actually said frustrating because I think going 761 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 6: back to even training camp, I think we all agreed 762 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 6: there were things that they needed to do in order 763 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 6: to have success, and the big one was the running game, 764 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 6: and I think we I think we. 765 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: Said it over and over. 766 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 6: You got to give them an opportunity to s show 767 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 6: you that they can run the ball, and they were 768 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 6: not willing to do it at the part of the season. 769 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 6: And so for me, it was frustrating because I think 770 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 6: there were things they could have done throughout this year 771 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 6: that would have made this season better. I don't think 772 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 6: they did them, or I think they did them too late. 773 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 6: And Mike Zimmer talked about how he felt like he 774 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 6: had regrets because there were things he should have been 775 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 6: doing earlier that he just didn't do it, and then 776 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 6: later he decided I'm gonna do it and things changed, right, 777 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 6: And so that was what was frustrating is I think 778 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 6: this team was better as far as their talent is concerned. 779 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 6: I think they were better than what the result was. 780 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 6: And I think some of that could have changed if 781 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 6: they'd handled things a little bit differently from the standpoint 782 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 6: of how they were being coached. Yeah, all right, let's 783 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 6: go to the next question, which injury do you think 784 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 6: most impacted Dallas this season Deron Bland, Tank, Lawrence, Dak Prescott, 785 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 6: or Zach Martin. And you can talk about Zach Martin 786 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 6: from the standpoint of him being out there playing even 787 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 6: though he was injured. 788 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 7: I would have to take Dak. 789 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 8: Granted, this team was three and five coming out of 790 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 8: that Atlanta game, if correctly, so they were already heading downward. 791 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 8: But I think that ship gets corrected a lot sooner 792 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 8: than it did if Dak was still in the equation. 793 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 9: I think that the Zach Martin one really really hurt them. 794 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 9: Uh well, I should take that back because I feel 795 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 9: like that, you know, some of the reasons with you 796 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 9: know that you struggling outfits, but think about what happened 797 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 9: when Bland didn't play and you had like seven dudes 798 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 9: having to play that position. So Zach Martin was not great, 799 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 9: not ideal, but the cornerback rotation at there that that 800 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 9: that just was not good enough and it not where 801 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 9: it needed to be. And Bland was a big part 802 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 9: of that. 803 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 10: Yeah, I was gonna say Bland because he has been 804 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 10: a big part in the secondary and I'm blank, you 805 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 10: know what was the rookie guyon Carson Paling? Carson. 806 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 7: He poor guy. 807 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 10: He was thrown into the fire and it was it 808 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 10: was a lot for him right off the bat. I 809 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 10: think that defense right out the beginning, the secondary definitely 810 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 10: needed to have a durn Bland healthy again and being 811 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 10: able to play alongside Trevon Diggs who was healthy at 812 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 10: the time, So I think that was a big hit 813 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 10: for the start of the year. 814 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 6: As we sit today, which player do you think which 815 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 6: player are you most concerned about their health moving forward? 816 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 6: The Barbion Overshown, Dak Prescott or Trayvon Diggs. 817 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 8: You said more concerned about, more concerned about. Ooh, this 818 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 8: is kind of as we sit here today, Yeah, that's 819 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 8: kind of a two way tie for me. I would 820 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 8: have to say Trayvon Diggs just because he's coming off 821 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,479 Speaker 8: of these back to back knees and there's more money 822 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 8: invested in the Trayvon Diggs than there isn't a Marvine Overshown. 823 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 8: When you compare that they both had back to back 824 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 8: knee injuries. That's a tough one because you have one 825 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 8: hundred million dollars price tag on Trayvon Diggs and you 826 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 8: need him to not only be on the field, you 827 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 8: need him to perform, and I think there were times 828 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 8: last year after he's really started battling with that knee 829 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 8: around the Atlanta game, that the performance was starting to 830 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 8: dip alongside the health, So that one hurts a lot. 831 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 8: I think there's ways you can work around Dak. You 832 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 8: can run the ball more, you can keep him in 833 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 8: the pocket more, you can emphasize, you know, trying to 834 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 8: make him a different quarterback in some ways. There's some 835 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 8: ways you can get around making him not as a 836 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 8: mobile moving forward, which sucks, but it might be the 837 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 8: reality that they're facing if they want to keep him 838 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 8: around for four years. There's not a lot you can 839 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 8: do with Trayvon Diggs and his knees. 840 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 9: I think it's Dak, and I think it's Dak because 841 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 9: of the reasons you were talking about Nick and the 842 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 9: fact that you're going to have to read and maybe 843 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 9: this is why Briton Schottenheimro's name the head coach is 844 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 9: because he has an understanding of Dak's limitations and what 845 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 9: he can and cannot do. And so to me, it's 846 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 9: going to be about can you find the running game, 847 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 9: can you find the ability to make him a pocket passer? 848 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 9: You know how much mobility is he going to have? 849 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 9: Are there things you're going to have to completely eliminate 850 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 9: from the offense that we've seen other NFL teams implement 851 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 9: and play well with them. So, uh, the Dak the 852 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 9: Dak injury is to me is really really big and 853 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 9: how that I think it's going to affect the offense 854 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 9: going forward because if they don't tailor things to him, 855 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 9: I'm curious of how productive he can really be. 856 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 10: I would have to agree with the Trevon Dicks one 857 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 10: as well, because you look, initially I wanted to say 858 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 10: the Mario overshawn, but with him, I think he's gonna 859 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 10: be fine. He has so much working in his favor 860 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 10: as far as like his youth. Then also his personality 861 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 10: and how much positivism he has. I think that really 862 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 10: affects when you're recovering from anything. His positive outlook at things. 863 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 10: It's a very different personality than Trevon Diggs. And there 864 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 10: are things that I've heard about him when it comes 865 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 10: to what he's doing in let's say rehabbing or a practice. 866 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 10: There's a certain lack of discipline discipline that I've heard 867 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 10: there that it's gonna be challenging. He's gonna have to 868 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 10: give it a one hundred percent and if it doesn't, 869 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 10: then that's gonna go into the season. You're gonna see 870 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 10: him just on to the side. We're gonna see him 871 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 10: walking around at training camp, just watching from the sideline. 872 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 10: So I think that's the biggest one because, just like 873 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 10: we talked about prior, the cornerback. 874 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 7: Position is a. 875 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 10: Sorry there, the way you're standing right now because of 876 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 10: our new layout is freaking me out. 877 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: I'm not looking at you. Yeah, okay, somebody who's over here. 878 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it is freaking me out. Guys, we have, yeah, 879 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 10: we have a new layout on the show. So it's 880 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 10: just yeah, it's. 881 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 3: Yes, but Chris. 882 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 10: But my point being, that's a position just like you said, 883 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 10: you you paid the guy, you're gonna need him, and 884 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 10: you don't have time to uh because of all the 885 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 10: cap salary and blah blah blah. That's gonna be a 886 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 10: key position of a guy that's a veteran guy that 887 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 10: you need him to be able to perform, you don't 888 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 10: have time to waste. And I think that's a that's 889 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 10: one to keep an eye on because I know de 890 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 10: Marvin Wovershown he's gonna give it a one hundred percent, Dak, 891 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 10: He's gonna give it a one hundred percent. As far 892 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 10: as the recovery and the everything that they need to do. 893 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 10: I don't feel one hundred percent on Trevon Dicks and 894 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 10: the way he handles things. 895 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 8: There's there's no way this front office could have known 896 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 8: what they had ahead of them when they signed Treyvon 897 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 8: Dicks to that contract in the off season of twenty 898 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 8: twenty three or training camp of twenty twenty three. But 899 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 8: there's gonna be a lot of internal knee slapping if 900 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 8: they have to let a guy like Deron Bland walk 901 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 8: because of that contract. And it's it's it's it's a 902 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 8: tough one because I feel like you really can only 903 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 8: pay one or the other. And unless there's some major 904 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 8: restructuring that can be worked out with Treyvon Diggs, uh, Yeah, 905 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 8: Deron Blaine's gonna be a tough one to keep the 906 00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 8: keeping the fold. 907 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's That's also one where you wonder, if you know, 908 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 6: the traditional wisdom in the NFL says, go with the 909 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 6: young guy right, no matter what, if they're equal, go 910 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 6: with the young guy right. And so it does make 911 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 6: you wonder when they get to that decision. Does that 912 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 6: affect the decision as well, that he's the younger guy 913 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 6: and they try to figure out some way if they 914 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 6: can't keep both, to keep the younger guy, because I 915 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 6: think that happens a lot in the NFL, because it's 916 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 6: just typically it's better to have the younger guy, you know. 917 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 6: All right, let's move on the next question, which would 918 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 6: he performed at a level farthest from your expectation? And 919 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,959 Speaker 6: this is a little bit of a tricky question because 920 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 6: when I say farthest from your expectation, your expectation could 921 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,919 Speaker 6: have been really high and they underachieve. Your expectation could 922 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 6: have been lower and they overachieved. So who was farthest 923 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 6: from what you expected from them? Of these five candidates, Cooper, 924 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 6: Beb Tyler, Geiden Kaylem Carson, Marris Lefoul or Marshawn Neeland. 925 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 7: Kind of a two way tie again for me with 926 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 7: BB and lea Foul. BB. 927 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 8: Whenever we were looking at him at camp, I know 928 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 8: we've talked about it on this show before, but we 929 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 8: were two weeks into camp and this guy was still 930 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 8: snapping it all the way to a Ventura and we 931 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 8: were like, man, this is gonna be Yeah, it was. 932 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 8: It was nowhere close, and I was like, man, this 933 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 8: guy might need a year of seasoning before we can 934 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 8: throw him in at the center position. And he ended 935 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 8: up being fantastic, so uh, And I'd have to give 936 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 8: the same for Lea Foul. I just didn't see him 937 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 8: being as major of a contributor that he ended up 938 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 8: being by the end of the year. So credit to 939 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 8: Lea Foul. I don't mention Geyton just because I had 940 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 8: an expectation that there were going to be a lot 941 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 8: of learning cars. Were there more than I expected, Yes, 942 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 8: but I I think I think there was. There should 943 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 8: have been an expectation that he was going to have 944 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 8: some growing pains in his first year. 945 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 9: Felt like I was wrong about Carson in a way 946 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 9: of being this higher level, and I was wrong about 947 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 9: Leah Foul because I didn't know that he was going 948 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 9: to play the way he did. And those are the 949 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 9: two that to me. The Carson one bothers me a 950 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 9: lot because I really felt like that he was going 951 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 9: to come in and really compete in the outside corner spot. 952 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 9: You know the fact that they had to run through 953 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 9: all those guys and he was part of that, and 954 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 9: you know, him not being a training camp some as 955 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 9: far as you know, missing with injury and time and 956 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 9: stuff like that. Then he got hurt, you know, and 957 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 9: then it probably was a big whirlwind for him. But 958 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 9: unfortunately he did not play at the level that I've 959 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 9: seen him play at Wake Force, and that bothered me 960 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 9: a lot. And Leah foul I questioned that pick right 961 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 9: off the jump if that really was the right pick 962 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 9: with running backs on the board and stuff like that. 963 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 9: But he played at a much higher level than I 964 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 9: even was willing to give him credit for. 965 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, Leo fou he. 966 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 10: Surpassed my expectations because the moment he stepped on that 967 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 10: feel he there was no like misbeat, There was not confusion, 968 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 10: and that's something that takes a lot for a rookie 969 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 10: guy like the feeld awareness, your ability to react in 970 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 10: the time that you need to, and he didn't miss 971 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 10: a beat. He was on there as soon as he 972 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 10: was giving the green light. He went on out there 973 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 10: and started making place, tackling, hard tackler, just being aggressive 974 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 10: in that way. So that was impressive for a guy 975 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 10: like him to be to have so much focus and 976 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 10: being able to take advantage of the opportunity that appear 977 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 10: and how quickly he did it, that was impressive. 978 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 6: I know we're running over time, but I had one 979 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 6: more question, so we're going to try to get this 980 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 6: one in quickly. Which which rookie do you expect to 981 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 6: take the bigger jump in year two? Cooper Beebe, Tyler Guiden, Kln, Carson, Marris, 982 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 6: Lea Foul, Marshawn Nelon. 983 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 8: I would go Marshaw Neeland. I think he's gonna have 984 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 8: an increased opportunity here. Granted with the free agent set 985 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 8: are here at the defensive end position, with Chauncey Golston, 986 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 8: Carl Lawston to Marcus Lawrence, there's going to be an 987 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 8: increased availability for Marshawn Neeland. I think he takes advantage 988 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 8: of it now that he's healthy. 989 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 9: Thank Carson. I'm going to bet on him once again. 990 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 9: I think the talent's there. I think he got caught 991 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 9: in a situation with him being injured, him missing time. 992 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 9: You know he's going to come back with a much 993 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 9: better understanding. He gets kind of a fresh start too 994 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 9: with the with the new secondary coach there, so hopefully 995 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 9: he will be able to show the things. Like I 996 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 9: said that wake Forest he was an outstanding player for 997 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 9: the Demon Deakins, and hopefully he'll be an outstanding player 998 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 9: for the Dallas cow which He's got that kind of ability. 999 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 5: You know what. 1000 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 10: I'm gonna go with Carson as well. He's a guy 1001 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 10: we've seen him. I just think it got It was 1002 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 10: a lot. It was a lot for him for someone 1003 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 10: as young as him. You could see how offenses they 1004 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 10: they were attacking him over and over and over, and 1005 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 10: that's a lot to handle for a guy like him. 1006 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 10: Uh So, But going back to things that we even 1007 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 10: saw at training camp that he he the plays he 1008 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 10: was making. I mean, you you've seen the talent, You've 1009 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 10: seen him. He has it in him. So hopefully he 1010 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 10: can come back this year refreshed, renewed, got some self 1011 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 10: evaluation to do, and then now he can put it 1012 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 10: back into action because I think he is a very 1013 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 10: talented player. It just the situation wasn't a good one 1014 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 10: for him this past year. 1015 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 6: All right, that's a wrap. We appreciate you guys joining us. 1016 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 6: We'll be back next week. We'll get a little deeper 1017 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 6: into this offseason. We'll try to add a little flavor 1018 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 6: to this thing, maybe get a little draft some little 1019 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 6: draft talk going with our guys from the Draft Show. 1020 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 6: I think every might even have a little game for 1021 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 6: us next week. We'll see until then. For Nick Harris, 1022 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 6: Brian Broad, Sambergarci. I'm Derek Eglton. This has been the 1023 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 6: Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 1024 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1025 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.