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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody right here live from the

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Speaker 1: Long Island Bunker. You know. This week, I want to

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Speaker 1: take a different approach to the show where I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have in depth conversations with folks across different industries

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Speaker 1: to discuss exactly how COVID is impacting them, from education

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Speaker 1: to the judiciary to television. I am going to have

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Speaker 1: in depth discussions with the folks about how we are

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Speaker 1: dealing with this and what are some of the opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Frankly that can come out of this obstacle. Look like

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Speaker 1: everybody else, on a day to day basis, I probably

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Speaker 1: swing from mood you know A to mood Z in

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Speaker 1: a matter of minutes, if not ours. And so one

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Speaker 1: of the things that has been pressing on me though

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Speaker 1: is successful people usually in the midst of some type

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Speaker 1: of crisis. They become successful because they find the niche,

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Speaker 1: they find the right wave to ride at the right time.

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Speaker 1: This is not about profiting off of people's pain, but

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Speaker 1: it is about rethinking our democracy, rethinking our society, looking

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Speaker 1: at where all of the gaps have been that we

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Speaker 1: have just normalized, right like it has been normal to

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Speaker 1: us that there are people that hold a majority of

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Speaker 1: the world's wealth, like ten people right that hold a

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Speaker 1: majority of the world's wealth while the rest of us

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Speaker 1: are starving. Right, We have normalized the fact that your

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Speaker 1: normalized the idea that we don't have a national living

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Speaker 1: people that are continuing to keep us fed right and

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Speaker 1: elderly that we're no longer able to visit. There are

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Speaker 1: so many things, in so many aspects of life that

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Speaker 1: So in the midst of this crisis, instead of just

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Speaker 1: focusing on the crisis, maybe for a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the time, we should start thinking about what are some

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Speaker 1: of the opportunities available to make things actually better. So

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Speaker 1: let's start at the top with woke a F Daily. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be in conversation with our regular woke

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Speaker 1: F contributor Melissa Murray, who is a constitutional law professor

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Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. And why do I love to

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Speaker 1: talk to Melissa? One because she is brilliant, but two

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Speaker 1: because she has an ability to look at and analyze

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Speaker 1: the world in a very different way, particularly as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to law. But also we got into a very

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation about what this current moment is telling us

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Speaker 1: about working moms right about what structures are in place

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Speaker 1: for parents right now. What happens if you are living

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Speaker 1: in a Georgia, if you were living in a Texas,

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Speaker 1: so if you're living in a Wisconsin. States that are

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Speaker 1: considering or have already opened, but they're not opening up schools,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for working moms Because we know

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Speaker 1: So if you now are being forced to go back

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp has put out, What does that mean? How

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Speaker 1: does our education system right in this moment need to

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Speaker 1: back to wok F Daily Melissa Murray, who is a

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Speaker 1: professor at and Why You Law School and also the

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Speaker 1: things scotus in the world that you need to be

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Speaker 1: paying attention to. Melissa, Welcome back, How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me and doing well? Sheltering in place,

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Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo told us today that maybe construction and manufacturing

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Speaker 1: only knows, Melissa. So last week, the President of the

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Speaker 1: suggesting that it was just him brainstorming. I've never known

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Speaker 1: What are the legal, if any, ramifications around the president

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Speaker 1: backtracking by this administration. Well, first, let's just acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: I think there's incredible worry. Even as we sort of

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Speaker 1: have had to do when the federal government blacks off,

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Speaker 1: but as a general matter, the government, whether state or federal,

434
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Speaker 1: has not been doing that much to create a social

435
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Speaker 1: safety net that holds all of us in place when

436
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Speaker 1: something catastrophic like this happens. And I've been on Facebook.

437
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: I grew up in Florida. A lot of the people

438
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Speaker 1: that I grew up in Florida with our Republicans that

439
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: many of them are small business owners. And these are

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Speaker 1: the first people to decry the whole idea of public

441
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Speaker 1: assistance and the first people to tell you, like, you know,

442
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Speaker 1: I brought myself up by my bootstraps. I founded this business.

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Speaker 1: I sacrifice, and everyone else should do it. And I

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00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: get it, Like they did a really great job. They've

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Speaker 1: made these small businesses for themselves. But now they're finding,

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Speaker 1: you know, even with the kind of drive and ingenuity

447
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: that they had to get their small businesses off the ground,

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00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: they are it's not enough right now. This is a

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Speaker 1: global catastrophe, an economic scourge that we have never seen

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Speaker 1: since nineteen twenty nine. And even with all of their

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Speaker 1: ingenuity and their drive. They cannot make their businesses work,

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Speaker 1: and now they're asking for PPP and small business loan assistance.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just sort of like that's a

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Speaker 1: kind of welfare too, Like it can't be the case

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Speaker 1: that you don't. You're not for government subsidy when it's

456
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: about single mothers, but now you are because it's about

457
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Speaker 1: keeping your business uploat. We all need a safety net.

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Speaker 1: We never know when the next economic scourge is coming.

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Speaker 1: That has been the constant drumbeat of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Social safety nets. You might as well say, like you

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00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: said earlier communism, you might as well say, well, you

462
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: were lazy, right, government should only intervene for those people

463
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Speaker 1: that are lazy. We've created a construct right that tells

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Speaker 1: us that those people that are economically on the bottom

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Speaker 1: are there for lack of ingenuity and not lack of

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Speaker 1: structures in safety nets that were good in it's always

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Speaker 1: it's always it's always the p's we make wealth or

468
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Speaker 1: lack thereof something that is very personal about your ambition,

469
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: your ability. You're never about your access, never about like

470
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: the obstacles that are placed in your way. And so

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Speaker 1: when we look at the countries that are doing well, right,

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Speaker 1: that are that are able to do well, and I

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Speaker 1: use that relative, you know, to to a global pandemic,

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Speaker 1: but are doing a hell of a lot better than us.

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00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Are those countries that have put together programs that are

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Speaker 1: about helping all people. To me fundamentally, though, our lack

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Speaker 1: of social safety nets goes directly to the core of

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Speaker 1: racism and white supremacy. We do not in this country

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Speaker 1: want all people to be helped. We want certain people

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Speaker 1: to be helped. It is why when the New Deal

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Speaker 1: was created, there was right the government was going to

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Speaker 1: take care of everyone, but in order to appease Southerners, right,

483
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Speaker 1: in order to appease the South, we had to cut

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Speaker 1: out right people of color, domestic workers, sharecroppers were which

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Speaker 1: were largely people of color. And so in this country

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why we don't have this, and I

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Speaker 1: believe that fundamentally it is about racism and the pervasiveness

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Speaker 1: that we have been locked into this idea that those

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Speaker 1: that require government assistance are on the government's tip. As

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Speaker 1: we as Republicans, have told us from beginning to end,

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Speaker 1: all of that is exactly right. I mean, you sort

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Speaker 1: of saw species of this when the Surgeon General was

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Speaker 1: speaking I guess now a week ago, and he admonished

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Speaker 1: all of us to stop you well, all of the

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Speaker 1: black people, all the black and Latin us, because it

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Speaker 1: was that was very discernible based on the language that

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Speaker 1: he decided to do it. Do it for Big Mama.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you just sort of have this

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Speaker 1: idea that what is going on is really about a

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Speaker 1: personal failure. I mean, that's the way he sort of

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Speaker 1: broke broke it down, like, yes, you know, black people

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Speaker 1: and brown people are suffering just a personal and it's

503
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: about personal choices rather than thinking about well, it's also

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Speaker 1: about the fact that they are likely to be those

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Speaker 1: in jobs that are now considered essential, that where their

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Speaker 1: exposure to the virus is heightened and they don't have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to quarantine because they're in these essential positions.

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Speaker 1: And alternatively, when they do go home, they may not

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Speaker 1: be in a position to sort of spread out and

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Speaker 1: be comfortable, like they're living in smaller situations where the

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Speaker 1: likelihood of passing this on to their family members as higher.

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Speaker 1: So there's this whole vernacular and sort of discourse of

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Speaker 1: personal responsibility or a lack there of and no appreciation

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Speaker 1: for the kinds of really broad and pervasive systemic impediments

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Speaker 1: that would make certain groups more susceptible to this than others,

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Speaker 1: And that to me, I think has been really difficult

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Speaker 1: to watch and to hear. I strongly believe that the

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Speaker 1: more we talk about coronavirus as something afflicting particular communities

519
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: rather than talking about the universality of its devastation, we're

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: going to have the sort of situation where people can

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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: just sort of think about, like, you know, coronavirus or

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00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: something that happens to them not to meet, when in fact,

523
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: this is something that it's going to be a huge

524
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Speaker 1: level or whether you get coronavirus or not, we are

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Speaker 1: all going to feel the impact of this. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: the economic the economic repercussions of what is happening, the

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Speaker 1: health repercussions. We also don't know what the capacity is

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Speaker 1: for people who recover. Right in certain test and certain places,

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Speaker 1: researchers are saying that you've you're losing twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: your lung capacity, right and other like. We have no idea.

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Speaker 1: So the repercussions are going to continue. But it is

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Speaker 1: this pervasiveness that like it's happening to them, it's not

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Speaker 1: happening to me. We see the folks who are at

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Speaker 1: these reopen rallies right with their adam, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: people who are like, you know, this is oppression. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if you like, it's amazing that, like the fact that

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00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: you have to stay at home in a global public

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: health crisis, you think that is oppression? You haven't lived

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00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: through some oppression, Like it's the ultimate form of privilege

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00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: to be able to call this oppression. I mean, and

541
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: get it. I understand the economic anxiety that prompts a

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Speaker 1: reaction like that. I mean, it's a kind of economic

543
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Speaker 1: anxiety that I think a lot of people of color

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00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: have lived with perpetually. Nobody cares, really exactly nobody cared.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like so I get what animates it,

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Speaker 1: and just sort of like, this isn't really oppression. This

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00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: is like kind of what we have to do in

548
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: this moment to deal with this thing that we don't

549
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: actually have a handle on because we don't have a

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: federal government that really seems to know what's going on here.

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00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we wasted a lot of time dealing with this.

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00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: We've now sort of relied on our state governments to

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00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: take the lead in this. There's this content back and

554
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: forth power struggle between the administration and the very estate

555
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: government statism't helping. And then now like you know, the

556
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: call to liberate these particulars, this is liberation. This is one.

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Speaker 1: This is when I understood, Melissa, that we have to

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Speaker 1: we have very different understandings of what liberty and the

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Speaker 1: word liberate actually mean. Right, Like, this is when I

560
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: have fundamentally I got it. I'm like, wow, I don't

561
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: know how we're ever going to move forward as a country,

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00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: as a collective again, because we have two very different

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Speaker 1: understandings of what liberty and justice actually look like. Well,

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Speaker 1: and as a lawyer just listening to it, just sort

565
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: of like you all have like very little understanding of

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Speaker 1: constitutional law. I mean, states have anything we talked about

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Speaker 1: this last week, they have, you know, police power to

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Speaker 1: legislate in order to preserve public health and safety within

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Speaker 1: their states. Like it's not an unfettered power. I mean

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Speaker 1: there are obviously constitutional limits, whether it's the first meant

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Speaker 1: or other fundamental liberties that people possess, like free speech.

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00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: But again even those have to be sort of tempered,

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Speaker 1: like the Constitution is not a suicide pact. So it

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Speaker 1: is not like, well, I didn't say it, but I

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00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: think it's it's just it's clear that those who say

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Speaker 1: these things, but we have to liberate this, we have

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Speaker 1: to liberate that. Like, that's not liberty. Liberty, like the

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Speaker 1: liberty protected in the Constitution is not a kind of

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00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: unfettered liberty to do what you want when you want

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Speaker 1: without any kind of government in position. I mean, and

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00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: then there's a kind of double speed to this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the people who you know, I'm talking to you on

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: Facebook from my high school. Um, you know, there is

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Speaker 1: this idea that you know, they don't want government intervention,

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Speaker 1: government regulation because what they want is free market. But

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Speaker 1: then part of me is like, well, if you want

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Speaker 1: a free market then when they were trying to tax you,

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00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: you should also be okay with a free market now

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00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: because right now it maybe the case that the kind

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00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: of business you have isn't viable in this new reality.

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you know, maybe if you had a

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: business that was supplying I don't know, like cruise ships,

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00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: maybe people aren't getting on cruise ships now. And that's

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Speaker 1: the economic reality. That's the free market you've got a

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: shift and pivot. But I mean it's when you say

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Speaker 1: it to them like that, they're like, well, that's not

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00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, well, that's actually classical economics,

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00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Like that's truly less ay fair, Like you if you

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00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: can't survive and this economy, maybe your business wasn't meant

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00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: to survive. And look when you say it like that

601
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: to them, they're like, well, that's not what I'm meant.

602
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I know, because you want it both ways.

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: You want to be able to have no regulation when

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00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: it suits you, and then you want to be able

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00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: to and then and then you want help when things

606
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: are lot And I'm like, I just want everyone to

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00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: be helped to the extent that we can so that

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: we can all sort of thrive. And it always goes

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00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: back to the fact that I believe that folks in

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00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: general in this country, Americans will cut off their nose

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00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to spite their face, and like they we have to.

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Speaker 1: We live in two very different worlds. What is considered

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00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: liberty and justice, what is considered free market, what government

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00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: should support versus what it should not based on stereotypes,

615
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: um that aren't real, right, And so to me, like

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: what this does. What this situation does, it continues to do,

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00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: is just exasperate what we've already known, the gaps between

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Speaker 1: the rich and the poor, the gaps in the you know,

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Speaker 1: within the racial wealth gap. Who is actually considered essential,

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00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: Who is doing the mandatory jobs that doesn't, that don't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to work at home? Who the government

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00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: is going to give breaks to, right, which is Wall

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: Street before they even bother looking at Main Street? Right?

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00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: The rush to reopen, to get workers back so that

625
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: they can start to fill the coffers for CEOs and

626
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: shareholders like there is. We live in a very distorted reality.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I consistently been saying

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00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: on woke app is that this rush to get back

629
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: to normal, right, we all need to figure out which

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: part of normal we want to get back to, because

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Speaker 1: none of the ways in which we have been operating

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00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: should be looked at as normal. We have normalized bad behavior,

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00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: but that does not make it normal. What we have

634
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: normalized systemach and equality and chalked it up to personal choices.

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe there is some personal choice in it,

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: but it's not It can't exclusively be accounted for just

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00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: by you know, poor decision making or good decision making,

638
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: like some of this is deeply institutionalized. And I think

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00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: one of you know, the questions going forward as we

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00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: move toward whatever the new normal is is to what

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00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: degree are we going to reckon with and wrestle with

642
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: the fact that some of this is baked gin Melissa,

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Speaker 1: with just a few minutes that we have left, what

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00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: are some of the other stories that we should be

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Speaker 1: paying attention to? Because you know, like we were saying

646
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Speaker 1: before we even jumped into our conversation on what gay

647
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: app is that the news doesn't seem to be able

648
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to walk and chew gum at the same time. And

649
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: while we're in the midst of a global pandemic that

650
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: is incredibly important for us to keep eyes on on

651
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: a daily basis. There are so many other stories that

652
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: we are missing, and because the relentless criminality of this

653
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: administration has not backed off of the gas. And I

654
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: think that, especially because we are in the midst of

655
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Speaker 1: a global pandemic, they are putting their foot through the floor.

656
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Speaker 1: So what are some of the other things that we

657
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: just we should be keeping an eye on as we

658
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Speaker 1: head into another week. So last week I talked a

659
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: little bit about COVID opportunism in terms of access to abortion,

660
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and a number of states that have limited access to

661
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: abortion on the ground that ppe is needed and needs

662
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: to be preserved, and so they've limited abortions of non

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Speaker 1: essential healthcare. During this period, there have been a couple

664
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Speaker 1: of lawsuits that have already percolated. One in Texas that

665
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: seems to sort of resolved itself as the state is reopened,

666
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: but there's also one that as of last week was

667
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: going through Tennessee. And there will be other challenges because

668
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: there are a number of red states would have done this,

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Speaker 1: So that's certainly one thing to keep an eye on.

670
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: The other thing I think just we're thinking about is

671
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: something I think almost everyone who's at home with small

672
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: children right now can and deal with. Is you know,

673
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Speaker 1: I don't think we have really come to grips with

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Speaker 1: as women, or at least thinking about women's progress. So

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00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: much of the women's rights movement and what we call

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00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: women's liberation has really been focused on the market, allowing

677
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Speaker 1: women to enter into workplaces that historically had been inhospitable

678
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: to them. So we have Title seven and all of that,

679
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: and women had made enormous gains I think in the

680
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: work world, but now that work has moved back through

681
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: the home, I think we're seeing very clearly how little

682
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: we have done to equalize or to integrate the work

683
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Speaker 1: of caregiving. And I think women contain to take on

684
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Speaker 1: the burden of that. And now that work and home

685
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: are in the same place, and I have to and

686
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: have to be reconciled together. I think, you know, I

687
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: really worry about women losing ground, Like you know, when

688
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: the zoom call have to be rescheduled, who zoom call

689
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: is it? And I think it's a really important question

690
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: as we have families that no longer huge a sort

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Speaker 1: of heterosexual model like that same sex families or single

692
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: mother families. You know, we haven't really talked about that,

693
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Like we're telling people that, you know, one family member

694
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Speaker 1: needs to be the one designated to go get the

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Speaker 1: groceries so that you can limit exposure. What does that

696
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Speaker 1: mean if you are a single parent and you have

697
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Speaker 1: a small child at home and you can't leave your

698
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Speaker 1: child alone, what does it mean in terms of the

699
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Speaker 1: work that you do, or even how do we reopen

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Speaker 1: knowing that schools are not resooming like that we're not

701
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Speaker 1: going to have summer camp in the summer. I mean,

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00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, the President keeps talking about reopening. I'm like,

703
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: I'll talk like, one, are you going to talk about schools?

704
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: What are you going to recognize that school for a

705
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of parents is a key part of how they

706
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: maintain their own productivity during the day, Like you rely

707
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: on school to care for your children and educate them,

708
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: and that is part of what allows you to be

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00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: productive at your job during the days. I mean, I

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00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: just think there is this larger conversation to be had,

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00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: not just about reopening, but what women's productivity, what famili's

712
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: productivity looks like as these essential basically the only kinds

713
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: of subsidies that governments provide to families in terms of

714
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: childcare have really sort of gone dark, and families have

715
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: been taking on the bulk of this sort of supervisory work.

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Speaker 1: I think that what we recognize too, is that our

717
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: way of life, it has been I think in a

718
00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: lot of ways to just disrupted on a permanent level.

719
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: The ways in which we've been able to kind of

720
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: go through, navigate some of us hang on for dear

721
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: life right are going to be changed because all of

722
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: these questions that we are posing now right, and that

723
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: our governors, the ones that actually care about their residents,

724
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: are pontificating on which is what does a reopen look like?

725
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: To all of those points that you're making. But I

726
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: love the fact that you are couching it around around

727
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: women who are normally the ones that carry the burden

728
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: of childcare, of child rearing. Right, what does that look

729
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: like in the midst of a zoom call with your

730
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: CEO or your whomever. Right, And now you're having to

731
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to homeschool and now all of a sudden,

732
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: businesses are opened up, a schools are not. I think

733
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: that fundamentally we need to think about where we're getting

734
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: our resources from and what it looks like when the

735
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: bottom falls out, like there's an opportunity. That's why I

736
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: continue to try and find in the midst of all

737
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: of this chaos, what the opportunity can be to rebuild

738
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: something better. Right. It is evident that America as we

739
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: have known nets, the social safety nets that we thought

740
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: we had are broken, right and have been broken, And

741
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: there are many people in communities that have always known

742
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: them to be broken. For them that there's an opportunity

743
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: here to rebuild That's why they are pushing to reopen,

744
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: because the longer this remained shuttered, the more people are

745
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: going to recognize that, wait a minute, I actually cannot

746
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: go it alone in the face of an imprecedented disaster.

747
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: It would be nice to not worry about if my

748
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: health character from my employer. It would be nice to

749
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: know that there was a social safety net that I

750
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: could rely on, whether in my old age or you know,

751
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: or right now. And so I think part of the

752
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: push to reopen is so that they can sort of

753
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: squelch this broader conversation about what does life in a

754
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: democracy look like when you eliminate the sort of individualistic

755
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: neoliberal ethos. Yeah, and those are all the things that

756
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: we're going to have to examine in the coming weeks,

757
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: in the coming months, and in the coming years when

758
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: we actually do get to a place where America as

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00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: a whole, whatever that means and actually looks like, is reopened.

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Speaker 1: Melissa Murray, thank you so much for joining us again

761
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: on Woke EFFI daily. Your brilliance and your insight is

762
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: something that we look forward to in these really trying times.

763
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: I appreciate thanks for having me on. Look. We can

764
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: all get lost in the sadness, the frustration, the anxiety,

765
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: the depression of this moment. Look on a regular basis.

766
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: First of all, we don't even know whether it's Monday

767
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: or Friday, or Saturday or Sunday, whether it's one pm,

768
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: nine am, five am. What difference does it fucking make,

769
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: you know? I remember one of my friends who is

770
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: very big into mysticism, had said to me, time as

771
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: a construct right, time is something that we have made up.

772
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: And there is no other time for you to really

773
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: think about that and what that really means than during

774
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: quarantine when one day runs into the next. But for

775
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: those of us who are currently employed, doesn't mean that

776
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: we will be right in the coming weeks and the

777
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: coming months, because what we are seeing right now are

778
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: massive layoffs that are happening or bankruptcies that companies are filing.

779
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: But for those of us who are in a privileged position,

780
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: and yes I refer to it as a position of privilege,

781
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: if you have been in a job where you have

782
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: been able to work from home close to two months now,

783
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: you are fortunate. Yes it may be frustrating, Yes it

784
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: may be overwhelming. Yes, you may be living in a

785
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: small space, or you may have to share space with

786
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: an entire family, or you may, like many of us,

787
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: be living in New York City where you decided to

788
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: set sacrifice your interior space because the city was your oyster.

789
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: And now you're like, why the fuck did I do that?

790
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: But there's an opportunity for those of us who are

791
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: free to think about how we better society, how we

792
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: better this country, how we better our democracy, because it

793
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: is clear that in so many different ways we are

794
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: failing now. I like to blame a lot of things

795
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: on Donald Trump, like the fact that Lysol had to

796
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: issue a statement and so did Chlorox, and multiple state

797
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: health boards had to also issue statements and go out

798
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter telling people what we've known since toddlerhood. Don't

799
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: drink bleach, don't inject yourself with shit, lock the cabinets,

800
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: and apparently now you need to lock the cabinets from

801
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: yourself because the New York Post has reported that at

802
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: least thirty New Yorkers have ingested some type of chemical.

803
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you? What is right

804
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: with you? You know better than that. You know? My

805
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: mom read me a hilarious meme which was that the

806
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: person said, now I understand why they needed to have

807
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: a warning on irons that said, do not use while

808
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: you're wearing your shirt because you have fucking people that

809
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: are out in the streets protesting a virus. How fucking

810
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: dumb are you? Are you dumb? Right? And I don't

811
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: want to say that you're dumb for having placed your

812
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: hopes and good will in the hands of the president

813
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: of the United States, because frankly, for the majority of

814
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: your life, you should have been able to do that,

815
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: right like you should have been able to believe that

816
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: in the United States of the America that when the

817
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: President of the United States gets up at their podium

818
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: and begins to speak, that you can trust what the

819
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: fuck they are saying. In this case, no, no, you

820
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: can not. I don't know how much more information you

821
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: fucking me. Then, someone who has no medical degree probably

822
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have a fucking college degree, because he hasn't released

823
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: his transcript much in the way that he hasn't released

824
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: his fucking taxes. Tell you, hey, maybe if we inject

825
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: disinfectant I don't know, Trump, Maybe if we all stand

826
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: on our hands and spin around ten times and say,

827
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: candy man, candy man, candy man, we will be, you know,

828
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: relieved of the COVID nineteen. What the fuck You might

829
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: as well ask a seventh grade chemistry student to find

830
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: you a vaccine. If this is what we're using as

831
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: a fucking barometer, give me a break. Nonetheless, the president

832
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: is a danger to society. I've been saying that for years,

833
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: but now many more people are waking up to the

834
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, the taste of bleach in their

835
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: mouth not good. You know, it's actually one of the

836
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: number one ways in which people commit suicide. Right, it

837
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: should drink something where the warning label states do not

838
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: drink tis dangerous. Alas, this is where we are, in

839
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: the midst of hell. I've often wondered what hell would

840
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: feel like. It's not exactly hot, right, but it is

841
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: fucking miserable. It is miserable. It is miserable to be

842
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: led by a complete and total imbecile. But this is

843
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: what I will say is, folks, I don't know how

844
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: we get out of this, but I do know that

845
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: consistently focusing narrowly on just COVID nineteen and not any

846
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: of the other things that this president and this administration

847
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: is doing, that is illegal, That is criminal, that is

848
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: against our best interests and our public safety need to

849
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: be investigated. But what I'm finding right now, much how

850
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I always find it, is that the mainstream media is

851
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: always help bend. I'm like chasing their fucking tails. That's

852
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: what I feel like. Covering this administration on a day

853
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: in and day out basis feels like I'm just chasing

854
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: my tail, right. But the thing is is it's attached

855
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: to my body, and so I might as well stop

856
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: running and actually take a moment, take a breather. That's

857
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: what we need to do. We need to not pay

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Speaker 1: attention to the forty percent of stupid motherfuckers that are

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Speaker 1: going to continue to follow Trump off of a cliff right,

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Speaker 1: let them go. I don't want to convince these people

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Speaker 1: not to drink bleach. Hey, you know that's what you

862
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: want to do. Go out and do it. Your president

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00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: told you to, right, But don't blame it on the

864
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote what did they say the lamestream media? Are

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Speaker 1: you fucking dumb? Because every outlet covered this. The President

866
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Speaker 1: wasn't joking. Did you hear a giggle after he said

867
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Speaker 1: maybe we'll use disinfectant? Did you see doctor Bricks laugh? No?

868
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: But her defense of him was laughable. Her defense of

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00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: him over the weekend was laughable and fucking ridiculous. The

870
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: fact is, you need to stop paying attention to the

871
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: president of the United States if you actually want to

872
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: keep yourself and your family safe. Okay, if you are

873
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: employed at this very moment, you could use part of

874
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: that time to think about how you innovate in whatever

875
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: field you were in. That's what this moment is actually

876
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: calling for. Once we can move through the ebbs and

877
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: the flow of devastation and grief and law and anxiety,

878
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: spend some time each day, maybe you start out slow,

879
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: with like five minutes or ten minutes a day in

880
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: thinking about what good can actually come from this. I'm

881
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: going to try it as a practice this week because

882
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: people need to be thinking about it, and not just

883
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: the greedy, because that is always what happens in the

884
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: midst of crisis. The greedy, the already wealthy pillage, right,

885
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: they pillage the village that is on fire that the

886
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: people are screaming and they're hungry and they are in

887
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: need of assistance. But you know what they come in

888
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: and do, right, They buy up the town, They buy

889
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: up the homes, they buy up everything. I've been in

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00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: conversation with different folks over the past couple of weeks,

891
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: and I want us all of us right, who are

892
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: not millionaires, who are not well off, who pretty much

893
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: if you fancy yourself as middle class, you're probably hanging

894
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: on by a threat because if you were real like

895
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: fundamental middle class, you did not receive that twelve hundred

896
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: dollar check. No relief has come to you as of yet.

897
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with America and our capitalistic structure.

898
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: If you are super wealthy, government going to give you breaks,

899
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: because if you were super wealthy, then re reward your character,

900
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: then there must be something fundamentally right about you. If

901
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: you are poor, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you, right,

902
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: But the government is set up to still, in some

903
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: small way, offer some assistance. If you find yourself tracked

904
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 1: in the shrinking middle you are completely fucked. You don't

905
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: make enough money to get the tax breaks and the

906
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: benefits of the super wealthy, and you don't have to

907
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: all money to be able to take advantage in some

908
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: ways of some of the very dilapidated social safety nets

909
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: that are in place. You're just fucked. So there is

910
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: an opportunity in this moment to think that if we

911
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: were to recreate something, maybe we don't want to go

912
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: back to normal. Maybe we want to think about entertainment

913
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: and media in a different way. Maybe we want to

914
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: think about education and our laws and our judiciary in

915
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: a different way. Maybe we want to think about right,

916
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: how we care for one another, how we connect, what

917
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: the food industry looks like in a different way. My

918
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: fear though, is that the same people that we're in

919
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: charge during fucking Nixon are the ones that are still

920
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: in charge now. So there's not a lot of room

921
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: for innovation when you're in your seventies and fucking eighties

922
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: in this government. I'm looking at the aocs and the

923
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Speaker 1: aion A says and the Rashida to libs to think

924
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: in this moment big right, because they come from communities

925
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: that have always had to scrap, that have always had

926
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Speaker 1: to hustle, and that have always been on the front lines.

927
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Speaker 1: What do those people need? And then we build from there.

928
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, the first of the month is coming at

929
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: the end of this week. There's been no relief given

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00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: to those of us that pay rent none, and as

931
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the mortgage relief that has been

932
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: put in place essentially allows you to push it off

933
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: for ninety days. But then your mortgage company read the

934
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: fine print, they want to lump some when you're able

935
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Speaker 1: to pay. So how do you go from needing to

936
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Speaker 1: defer your mortgage to then all of a sudden hitting

937
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: the lottery and are sitting on a wad of cash.

938
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Speaker 1: No one has any idea, So I encourage you all

939
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: to read the fine print. But when you see AOC

940
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Speaker 1: on the floor of the house saying what the fuck

941
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: is going on here, she's a lot more eloquent than

942
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: I am. She's asking all of the right questions. We

943
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: know that the coronavirus is not an equalizer. It is

944
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: not a level playing field. Those people whose communities have

945
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: been vulnerable economically vulnerable, health wise vulnerable are the ones

946
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: that are being the hardest hit. So maybe if we

947
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: look at ways to help those that are most vulnerable

948
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: amongst us, the rest of us will do well. Maybe

949
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: we should take this opportunity instead of consistently getting behind

950
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: the top down approach, that we actually look at what

951
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: it means to help those at the bottom and lift

952
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: them up, because what we've been doing doesn't fucking work.

953
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It only works for the one percent.

954
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Speaker 1: It doesn't work for everybody else. We have to figure

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Speaker 1: out a way to be better, to grow from this.

956
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: And so those are the conversations that we're going to

957
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: have this week on Woke f What can be done?

958
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: What should we be thinking about? What is being ignored?

959
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: Where do we see opportunity in the midst of this obstacle?

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that is it for me here on

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Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and

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