1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN in Arizona Cardinals broadcaster 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Dave Pash. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: My guest this. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Week is ESPN play by play announcer Chris Foller. Chris 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: will call the Cardinals Chargers game on ESPN on Monday Night. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Chris also calls the top college football game every week, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: and he's the voice of ESPN Tennis. Chris has been 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: one of the best in the business for a long time, 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: whether it's his current work as a play by play 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: guy or his long tenure as host of ESPN College 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Game Day. We'll talk with Chris about the Cardinals Chargers game. 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: We'll get his thoughts on how he prepares for NFL 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: versus college how he works with different analysts like Kirk 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Kirk Street on college football and on the NFL, Lewis Riddick, 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: and dan Orlowski. We'll also talk with Chris about Marvin 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Harrison Junior and Kyler Murray, the player that Chris got 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: to watch a lot and get to know. 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: In college gat a special field for all the guys 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: who in the Heisman, you get to know them pretty 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: well in the process. 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: I did call plenty of his games. 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: I'd love calling games of loving dynamic quarterbacks like that, 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: and I hope he makes a bunch of plays. 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: On Monday, we are presented by Healer River Resorts and 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Casinos achieve a legendary status. So you do you at 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Helo River Resorts and Casinos all right? Time now for 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: a conversation with ESPNS Chris Foller. Well, Chris, first of all, 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: thanks for doing this man, great seeing you. What's a 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: week like for you when you've got two games? I 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: know what it's like for me. I know what's I 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: got three or four games, And I know you're there too, 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: and you're doing tennis and football. But when you have 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: a college game, you got Red River, then you have 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: Texas Georgia, and then you have the Cardinals two days later. 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: What's a week in the life of Chris Fouler like? 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: Not much extra time for stuff. 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: I try to keep my mental health intact by getting 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: a workout in or a nice walk in, But as 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: you know, there's not much time for the fringes. 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: And I love it. 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: I love being able to straddle both the biggest college 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: games and NFL games. 44 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm glad it's not every week. 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how I do it every week, but 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: I've learned over a couple of years on how to 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: manage the time better, and which works better for me 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: is to do the second game first, Like I'm looking 49 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: at the Cardinals and the Chargers early in the week, 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: began actually Sunday and Monday and kind of. 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 2: Get a foothold, put it away folks. 52 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: In the college, and then the minute the game is 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: over on Saturday night, there's a plane ride to Phoenix. 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: There's that time there was all day Sunday and all 55 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: day Monday to focus exclusively on the NFL games. That's 56 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 3: what how it works for me is second game first, 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: first game. 58 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: Second. 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got an NBA Opening Night game next Wednesday, 60 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: so I'm actually starting on that a little bit early. 61 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: Part of that is because they haven't played a game yet, 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: so it's easier to get ready for that as opposed to, 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, when you have other games going on in 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the season. What about when you're working 65 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: with different analysts, and not just different analysts, but going 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: from Kirk in a two person booth to Dan and 67 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Lewis in a three man booth and those guys well 68 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: Lewis in particularly because he's doing a college game every week. 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Dan is doing studio. 70 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: But they're working with other people too, So how challenging 71 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: is that to kind of develop the chemistry with the 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: new guys. You, obviously Kirk, have been working together, whether 73 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: it's game day or games forever. 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost feels like a different job. 75 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: I love Lewis and Dan and those guys are so 76 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: plugged into the NFL. The part of the fun for me, 77 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: Dave is I learn a lot about the league through them. 78 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: I know football, but I don't know the inner workings 79 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: of the NFL and how teams are assembled, and I 80 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: don't know teams like the Cardinals and the Chargers that well. 81 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: Living on the East Coast in Miami and New York, 82 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: we don't see those teams on television. I'm just not 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: kind of converse into either franchise. So a week like this, 84 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: I'll lean on them a lot. I'll spend extra time 85 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: on that Georgia and Texas, who just had each of 86 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: those teams. 87 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: So the preparation is large actually done. 88 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: It's just kind of fine tuning, and once you get 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: to Austin will lock in and talk to those teams 90 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: and well, I'll be ready for that game. I know that, 91 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: you know, Lewis and Dan and Laura Rulers are great 92 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: assets for me. It feels really different working with those guys. 93 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: I think that a three man booth is something different 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: for me. I haven't done that much, you know, on 95 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: Thursday night way back when, but it's been a long 96 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: time since I've done that. And sometimes working with Cirth 97 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: is like working with two analysts because he's very active 98 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: and he's Marry involved in a great way. But I 99 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: think that the rhythm is different because Lewis and Dan 100 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: when you have a three man booth. I don't know 101 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: if you've experienced this in the same way, but those guys, 102 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: one being an offensive guy, when being a defensive guy, 103 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: see the game through a very different lens. So depending 104 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: what happens in a given play, I'll look over and 105 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: they're doing this kind of like pantomime communication. Who's going 106 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: to go first, who's going to tell us straight, who's 107 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: going to jump in there, Whether or not it's a 108 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: QB centric comment or a defensive comment. 109 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: That's obviously more in Lewis's. 110 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: Wheelhouse being an XDB, and sometimes I've had to learn 111 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: to kind of call it differently because I give a 112 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: very economical call. With Kirk, I try to be very generous. 113 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: I'll make a call caught Jones first down of the 114 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: forty two stop, let him get he likes to get 115 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: in quickly. We'll like to do a replayer too, because 116 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: I want it back before the snap. Now with those guys, 117 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: I've learned and I've told them I'm to do this. 118 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: I'm going to give an extra line, you know, caught 119 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 3: by Jones first down. So the third year man out 120 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: of Arkansas four catches, all right today, guys you've been 121 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: seldom used coming in. Well, then that gives them time 122 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: to sort of get what they're doing and they'll dive 123 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: in and do it. So it's just a matter of 124 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: figuring things out so there's not an awkward pause. So 125 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: they're like looking around and you know, the viewer doesn't 126 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: know what's going on. So it's fine tuning. But again, 127 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: those guys are so easy to work with. I have 128 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: a blast, and I'll tell you what's different about the 129 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: NFL games in college is we actually have a lot 130 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: of time to hang together as a crew, and that means, 131 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: if possible, watch a practice is not always easy with 132 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: the college schedule, but be on the zoom calls, have 133 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: a dinner, what a concept, and be able to hang together, 134 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: you know, on the field pregame and I love the 135 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: experience of an NFL pregame. It's so different than college. 136 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: You can talk to the players as far a fewer 137 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: them out there's you know. 138 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: And so that's cool. 139 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: I mean, Kirk's schedule is so crazy, the energy required 140 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: of him to do the Amazon games on Thursday, college 141 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 3: game B in the morning, our game at night. Because 142 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: we've had so many years together, it clicks. 143 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: It works. But ideally you'd. 144 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: Want to hang out. You'd want to spend more time 145 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: in the prep and more time just socializing. 146 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: But it's not there. 147 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: And I love that on Mondays we can actually hang 148 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: out a little bit and I could again learn from 149 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: them a lot. 150 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that about the time together, because 151 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that the fan at home realizes how 152 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: important that is. The chemistry again is different with you 153 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: with Kirk, but for the most part, with people that 154 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: you're working with you haven't known for twenty five years. 155 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: So that time together, the chemistry you build off the 156 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: air is important on the air and you mentioned kind 157 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: of too, Dan and Lewis trying to figure out who's 158 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: going to go in the non verbal language, want to 159 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: work with Bill Walden. He just did that to himself 160 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: because there were multi personalities there. 161 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: Which personality was going to take over at that moment. 162 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: How about when you call college football versus NFL in 163 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: terms of enthusiasm level, because your enthusiasm on college football 164 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: is off the charts. I love it and it's great, 165 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: But in the NFL it's different because you don't have 166 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: the bands, you don't have the cheerleaders, so the directors 167 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: not usually going to cut to all of that. 168 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: It's different. 169 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: So how have you managed that from college to NFL 170 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: in terms of you know when to really punch it 171 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: on NFL because in college you can almost do it 172 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: like every down, especially if you're doing a championship game 173 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: like you do. 174 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: I don't like to do it every day, to be 175 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: honest with you, I like to meet the moment. You 176 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: certainly had a lot of big moments in the Joy 177 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: to Alabama game. I don't thin give our scream louder 178 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: in a booth and consecutive plays at the end of 179 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: the game when it was going back and forth. 180 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: It was lunacy. It was great fun to do. 181 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: I went from that to the Dolphins Titans game two 182 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: days later, Tyler Huntley brought in as the third string quarterback. 183 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: They struggled to make a first down. The place was 184 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: a morgue. It was challenging. I think you just let 185 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: it happen organically. I'd be foolish for me, as you know, 186 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: to start shouting at hard Rock Stadium every time they 187 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: have a four yard game, even though I felt like 188 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: that was a big deal, you know, but so you 189 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: I don't really I didn't put a lot of thought 190 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: into how I'm going to do the NFL differently. 191 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of NFL games. 192 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: There's people I really respect to do it spectacularly, Tariko Buck, others, 193 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, And I think that obviously al Michaels, their 194 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: presentation is different because the vibe is so different in 195 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: the stadium. Typically, the urgency isn't quite there the same 196 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: way as it is in college, and you're not yelling 197 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: up over as you said, one hundred thousand people in 198 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: the band typically, So I think, naturally you're going to 199 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: your presentation is going to be different. I didn't put 200 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: a lot of thought into it. If we get excitement, 201 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: and I tell a game I hope to be, i'd 202 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: excited then as I am. You know, in a big 203 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: college game Kyler takes off runs for fifty yards, puts 204 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: up the finger at the forty yard line, I'll get 205 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: very excited about to play like that if that happens 206 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: on money and I But you know, I think it 207 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: happens less frequently than in college, and typically we're getting 208 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: games that. 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: Just are. 210 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: Feel huge and kind of push through the screen, and 211 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: I think that it requires you to meet that in 212 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: the way that the people who have called college football 213 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: over the years. Then I don't know that I set 214 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: out to be excited in college. It just kind of 215 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: happens if the play warrants it. But I don't want 216 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: to be someone who's at that place. You know, you're 217 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: a master calibrate it. You don't want to be here 218 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: the whole game where you can't there's not much room 219 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: to go up from there. So I generally am pretty 220 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: conversational on a routine play and then try to try 221 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: to rise up when the moment calls for it. 222 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: You mentioned Kyler, and you did obviously a bunch of 223 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: his games when he was in college. What do you 224 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: see as you watch him? And I know you're not 225 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: probably dialed in just yet because we're taping this on 226 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Tuesday and you've got other games, But what do you 227 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: see when you've watched him in the NFL compared to college? 228 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: How have you seen him grow? What do you think 229 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: based on what you've seen now six years into the NFL. 230 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a special feel for all the guys 231 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: who in the heinsmhen you get to know them pretty 232 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: well in the process. I did call plenty of his 233 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: games at Oklahoma, and I called up the playoff game 234 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: against Alabama, the epic semifinal game when they went back 235 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: and forth, came up short but put a lot of 236 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: points on the board after flying a way behind. And 237 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: then obviously in the awards season, you get a connection 238 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: with them. I become fans of them individually as they 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: moved to the NFL. That's been that way for a 240 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: long long time. 241 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: I've done some like thirty highst Trophy shows. 242 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 4: So it's a lot of guys, they're all retired, half 243 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: of them are, but the guys who are in the league, 244 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 4: whether it's law Er or Baker Kyler certainly, you know, 245 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 4: even going back to Derrick Henry, some of them, the guys. 246 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: Who are veteran, I have a real feel for them. 247 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 3: I want them to do well. I want them to 248 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: succeed well and represent the trophy. I'm very conscious of 249 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: where they go, are the position pieces in place for 250 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: them to succeed and there their new home. And sometimes 251 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: the answer is no. I feel badly for Bryce Young, 252 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: for example. I feel really good for Jayden Daniels because 253 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm a fan of his and I think that when 254 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: a generational. 255 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: Talent like that in college comes into. 256 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: The league and has this stats he's had, it's cool. 257 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, Kyler hasn't had quite that success. I don't 258 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: at these surmounted with the pieces that would allow him to. 259 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: I think he's grown as a pastor. His his skill 260 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: that we thought Oklahoma will never lose. He'll never lose 261 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: that dynamic runner. Those kinds of players are exciting the 262 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: defensive team around them, as you know, so he becomes 263 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: a focal point when he's out there, and I think that, 264 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 3: you know, I don't, I'm not. The Green Bay game 265 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: is the last one I've screened. I will look at 266 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: other games, look at the San Francisco game, for example. 267 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to judge based on that debacle in 268 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: lambeau Field. I think he's He's still got work to do, 269 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: but I think he I think the skills have translated, 270 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: and I think there's going to be a point where, 271 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how the Cardinals season is 272 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: going to go. There are some folks who are embarrash 273 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: on that, and we'll see how it plays out Monday. 274 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: I think Monday is an important moment for them. 275 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: And you know, Tyler's contract, that's going to be an 276 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: issue as you know, going. 277 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: Forward, So let's see how they do. That's how he does. 278 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: But I'd love calling games involving dynamic quarterbacks like that, 279 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: and I hope he makes a bunch of plays on Monday. 280 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned the time you get when you're doing the 281 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: Heisman Show. What does that look like? 282 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: Like? 283 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: How much time do you get to spend with the 284 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: candidates and how often do you walk away from those 285 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: conversations like Wow, I really I really like this person. 286 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: I want to follow this person as opposed to not 287 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: naming names, but guys are like, yeah, okay, it wasn't 288 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: as friendly as I hope to be or didn't give 289 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: them on because there's always guys like that there are 290 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you know. 291 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: I think, first, well, you start up calling plenty of 292 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: their games throughout a career. 293 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: Typically if they're a Heisman guy, they're playing in high 294 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: profile games, so you get a chance to see them 295 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: in the field and have those conversations in the preparation 296 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: for a regular game. As they become Heisman finalists, I 297 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: have conversations with all of them because we approach the 298 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: Heisman Show as though everyone has an equal chance to win, 299 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 3: I e. Whether it's usually four guys typically now for 300 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: and I try to spend time with all of them 301 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 3: on the phone, talking to their coaches, possibly their high 302 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: school coaches, opponents, teammates, to get a really clear picture 303 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: about what makes them the player they are. Families are 304 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: part of the equation. When she gets New York and 305 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: you get to meet their families if you haven't known 306 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: them before, and so you really get a well rando 307 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: picture of these guys. 308 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: And very few of them have been part. 309 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: Of the expression turds, as coach would like to use 310 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: to describe guys who are. 311 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Not polished and not not team guys. 312 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: These guys generally have gotten where they are because they're 313 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: they're they're team football players and they approach things the 314 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: right way, and so I generally don't come away from 315 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: the experience Luke Warmer negative on any of the Heisman winners, 316 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: and I hope. 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: They all all succeed well. It makes the trophy look good. 318 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: So did you have because we don't have Big ten anymore, Lisa? 319 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Last years, did you have Marvin Harrison junior at all? 320 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: Did you have any of his games at Ohio State 321 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: or get a chance to talk to him at all? 322 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? I did. 323 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: We had him blowing up for the Rose Bowl when 324 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: he was a freshman, kind of his coming out party 325 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: as a young player, had his first couple of seasons. 326 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: Obviously didn't have him last year, but new of him. 327 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: It does. It does. 328 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: Create an impediment to getting know these guys. You don't 329 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: have the Big ten so that there's no way around that. 330 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: But I got to know him in the process. Obviously 331 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: he was in New York as a finalist, So yeah, 332 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: I did, And I think he's the guy that is 333 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: just one of those transcendent talents that you hope we'll 334 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: get in a good situation and be able to flourish. 335 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: I think people around the league, you talk to them. 336 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: I've done little homework, and now I know our guys 337 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: certainly believe that he is that kind of talent. 338 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: I have a monster career. 339 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: The stats haven't quite been there yet, and I think 340 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: kind of digging into why that is, whether there's a 341 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: silly connection that's developing between Kyler and Marvin. 342 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll get more answers. 343 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: I hope to be able to see him out there 344 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: on Monday, and I'm not terribly optimistic given the nature 345 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: of what the head knock that he took, but I 346 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: look forward to watching him develop drive his career because 347 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: he is one of those guys that. 348 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: You know, he's a he's a wow guy. 349 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: I saw him and many practices at Ohio State, knew 350 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: his dad, talked to his dad while they were white practice, 351 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: and saw what Marvin could do way before we even 352 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: saw it in games. 353 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: One of the things you'll do when you're out here 354 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and you'll do during the week if you're not here 355 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: in person is coaches meetings. Have you met Jonathan Gannon 356 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: at any point? Just curious if you've had a chance 357 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: to talk to him at all. He's got endless energy 358 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: if you have a few dy. 359 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm aware of that. I've I've been told about that. 360 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: I'll look forward to that. I have not met him before, 361 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: so he's not a guy that I have any kind 362 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: of background with, which is not uncommon. 363 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: A lot of these ENFO guys they know of me. 364 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: They see me as kind of like a fresh face, 365 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: not something they deal with all the time, who's. 366 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: A pain in their asth So that's sometimes nice. You 367 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: come in there and you're not the usual touf back 368 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: in these new meetings or they've had. 369 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: You know, they like college football, some even liked tennis, 370 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: and they want to talk tennis, which is fun for 371 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: me because I see these guys from AFAR. So didn't 372 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: really know Sean McDermott, but I've gotten a sense of 373 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: who he is now and Doug Peterson and different guys 374 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 3: like that. So I'll afford to experiencing the gaan and 375 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: energy because I've certainly heard about it. 376 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: One guy you are very familiar with is Jim Harbaugh. 377 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: One of my favorites was I was doing a Michigan 378 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: game with Greg mclroy several years ago and Jake Butt 379 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: was I think at the point like a second or 380 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: third round prospect and Greg guess something about you know, 381 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: going to the first round and Harbaugh goes well, Greg, 382 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: as you know or as you should know, tight ends 383 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: don't often go in the first round. But it's just funny, 384 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: like the way he did it, like a little as 385 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: you know or as you should know, like what. 386 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: You obviously probably had those moments. 387 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: What's it like and hopefully you know obviously coach Harbaugh's 388 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: health is good. What's it like when you meet with him? 389 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: I enjoy it. 390 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: I like people who were bright but maybe a little quirky, 391 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: maybe a little eccentric. I think those labels apply to Jim, 392 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 3: but really really good at their job. And there's been 393 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: an evolution. I think there's a trust back for you 394 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: have to gain with him or you're going to get 395 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: very little. We would have a tendency to win their 396 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: day for the big games, so harball on the week 397 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: of a Penn State game or god forbid, an Ohio 398 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: State game. 399 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's different. 400 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: I don't expect these guys to be loose and relaxed 401 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: and forthcoming and transparent and all that stuff. 402 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: In our interviews, but over time, you know, I gained trust. 403 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: I want of the two that was able to watch 404 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: Michigan practices, not very often but occasionally, and we've had 405 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: Michigan and playoff games. He's been great, He's been wonderful. 406 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he was very much at peace 407 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: with himself. I think he knew this next step was 408 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: coming while Michigan was making the run of the championship 409 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: last year, because he was a different guy when we 410 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: met with him in the playoff games and before the 411 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: championship game, and it was delightful and he was very open. 412 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: We're telling old stories. He loves to tell the old stories. 413 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: About growing up with John and his dad, and so 414 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: I liked Jim a lot. And I look forward to 415 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: connecting out there in the in the Chargers hotel and 416 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: in Arizona. 417 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: I hope I think he's okay. I don't. 418 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: I think we'll talk openly about his a rhythm, a 419 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: situation which he's already talked about. So definitely wish him, 420 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 3: wish him well, look forward to to to seeing them. 421 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: And I think if you look at the Chargers, you're 422 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: all the people. 423 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: Who analyze these teams far closely, more closely than I 424 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: have so far. See a really sound football team that 425 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: reflects good coaching, that doesn't beat itself, that doesn't have 426 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: a lot of bus On defense, I think that the 427 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: offense is still work in progress. I think Herbert not 428 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: being healthy it has been holding that offense back. I 429 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: think Greg Roman will unleash much more of the passing attack. 430 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: I think maybe not so. Fortunately for the Cardinals, they'll 431 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: see a Chargers offense inspiring on more cylinders than they 432 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: have been. They we got a glimpse against Denver in 433 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: the first half and they pull back. But I think 434 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: Hardwall's fingerprints are still on it. They're still going to 435 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: run the ball and be physical. But I think that, uh, 436 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: you've got to use You've got to use Herbert and 437 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: that and that cassive young receivers and let them develop. No, 438 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: it's a long answer. I mean Jim is endlessly interesting 439 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: to me. I look forward to seeing him. I do 440 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: wish him well. You know with the Chargers too. 441 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: I want to go back to college. You are a 442 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Colorado guy, So give me your thoughts on coach Prime. 443 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Are you surprised at all they have looked better this 444 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: year than they did the second half of last year? 445 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: And maybe that's because they have arguably the best player 446 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: in the country and Travis Hunter, and they have a 447 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: quarterback that could go first overall or the first quarterback. 448 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: Have you had them at all since he took over, 449 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: You guys might get him at some point down the road. 450 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: We had them last year, but the thistle had worn off. 451 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: We had them in the Rose Bowl against UCLA, and 452 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: I regret not having them. 453 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: Earlier in the season. 454 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: I was out there for their spring game before his 455 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: first season in the snow with fifty thousand people turned 456 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: out to watch a spring scrimmage involving almost none of 457 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 3: the players who eventually played on that twenty three team. 458 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 3: They did a huge roster cleanse after the spraying game. 459 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: All those guys Hunter and Junior Sanders and fellow standards 460 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: were there. Whole bunch of new guys came in. Didn't 461 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: surprise me that they faded in the Pac twelve. They're facing, 462 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: you know, an elite quarterback almost every week with a 463 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: deeply troubled defense, and I'm disc when they cratered to 464 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: four and eight. I thought that a five hundred record 465 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: a bowl game was a possibility, especially after the start 466 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: they got. 467 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: I was under no. 468 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: Illusions that they were a contender in the Pac twelve. 469 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: Change conferences to the Big twelve. The path is a 470 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: lot clearer, less hurdles to sort of mediocrity to a bowl. 471 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: Bit. 472 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: You know, I watched the Kansas State game. I'm invested 473 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: a little bit. We don't really cover that team. I 474 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 3: think it's unlikely we'll do a game out of the 475 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: Big Twelve involving CU sadly, but I think I can 476 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: be a fan involving them there for so I was 477 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: watching the candidate game in the wee hours, you know, 478 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: Big twelve after Dark, which takes the place of Pac 479 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: Goob after Dark craziness these days. And you know it 480 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: comes down to a couple of plays at the end. 481 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: But what was most cool is an alum was watching 482 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: a place that was a more dead bolston Field was 483 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: lifeless for years, sold out rock and under the lights, 484 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: invested student body, tremendous energy, tough on the visitors, and 485 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: that's been the case for most of the games his 486 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: two years there, and I hope that continues. I hope 487 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: it continues beyond this season. I think it's always an 488 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: open question. It's always year to year with Dion, But 489 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: I hope he has a long future there. 490 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: I do feel like the expansion of the college football 491 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: playoff has made regular season games more interesting and intriguing. 492 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: There were a lot of people going into the year, 493 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: not us, But I think skeptics are traditionalists or like 494 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: it's not good for regular season games. But I don't 495 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: know watching college football, he can't feel it's enhanced the games. 496 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: Where do you side on that? 497 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, the importance of any one regular season game is diminished, 498 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: no way around that, right, because you're not losing out 499 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 3: for the most part. I think we're going to get 500 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: to a lot of lose and out games in the 501 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: stretch run. There'll be so many games they've affecting the 502 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: playoff picture in November, it's going to be ridiculous. 503 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: See how it was last year in the NFL. 504 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: I mean there were like three or four games a 505 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: weekend that didn't have some playoff importance. All the others did. 506 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: And I think in college with these conferences really kind 507 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: of doing away with divisions and the top two teams 508 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 3: getting into the championship game and tie breakers and all 509 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 3: kinds of stuff, it's going to be mayhem down the 510 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: stretch of the league to see who gets those two 511 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: bids in the championship games of the of the ACC 512 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: and the Big tenn SEC Big twelve. And that's first 513 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: of all, so they're gonna have a lot of games 514 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 3: they're going to impact the chase for those two spots. 515 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: In some conferences, those two spots will be essential to 516 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: get into the twelve team bracket because they're the kind 517 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: of have a Big twelve three or ACCD three get 518 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: in the playoff. I mean it's unlikely. I mean they're 519 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: going to fight to get two teams in I think, 520 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: and then the SEC and the Big ten. There's the 521 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: fascinating conversation like, you know, it's far better to finish 522 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 3: third than second, isn't it? 523 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: In a league? 524 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: I mean, to lose the championship game, you've gone through 525 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: a punishing physical experience and then go into a playoff 526 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: bracket where you're gonna try to win four games to 527 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: win a championship. And I think you're gonna have games 528 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: even like this Alabama Tennessee game. Okay, they each have 529 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: a loss. Now does the second loss knock them out? No, 530 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: not necessarily, but every loss is you know, you lose 531 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: a little bit more control of your destiny and your 532 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: game is now interconnected with all these other games to 533 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: see where you stand. If you start losing multiple games 534 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: in a season, So Bama Tennessee loser is gonna. 535 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: Have two losses. 536 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: If Georgia doesn't win in Austin, they got two losses 537 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 3: and they haven't played Tennessee yet and they haven't even 538 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: gotten a chance to be in the SEC championship game yet. 539 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: So there's a different kind of urgency, even though any 540 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: one game isn't make or break. 541 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: A couple more we'll get you out of here. Christ 542 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the time you're at the top of 543 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: your profession doing the best college football games every week, 544 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: you're doing NFL, You're the lead voice on tennis. You 545 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: did the greatest pregame show arguably in any sport for decades. 546 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: Do you still think back to when you got your 547 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: big break? And I don't know if it was when 548 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: you got to ESPN. I don't know if it was 549 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: with Scholastic Sports America when you were at ESPN already, 550 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: was there something even prior to that you look back 551 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: and say, Wow, that was when I finally got a shot. 552 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: To prove myself. Yeah, that's a good question. I think that, 553 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: first of all, I've talked about this quite a bit 554 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: with young people that I mentor making unconventional choices to 555 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: your own gun, your own inner voice, and not the 556 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: static of well meaning people around you who might love. 557 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: You but they don't know best for you. 558 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: I was told not to go to ESPN, So if 559 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: I hadn't ignored that advice and professors and consultants, I 560 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: would never have been on this path. I didn't know 561 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. I just knew what I 562 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: didn't want to do, and I didn't feel connected to 563 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: the experience of reading scores every night for five minutes 564 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: at the local station. Nothing against people who do that. 565 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: I was an intern production assistant on the situations in Denver. 566 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: I just didn't feel that was what for me. So 567 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: I made a choice right out of the gate, when 568 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: you're out of school, to go to the seven year 569 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: old Table Network and do a tape high school magazine show. 570 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: Defied advice to do it. That was a break for 571 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 3: me that was obviously put me in position. Two years 572 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: later they wanted me to go to LA and be 573 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: the Sports center bureau guy. Nothing against that job, it 574 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: just didn't feel right to leave the headcret in Bristol, 575 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: even though I was young in the single and it's 576 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: no place to be young and single and go to 577 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: LA and where I would have gotten to cover, you know, Dodgers, Lakers. 578 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 3: They had no NFL team at that point, but USD 579 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 3: You get the point. And it just didn't feel like 580 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 3: the right move, and I said, now I'll stick with 581 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 3: the high school show. They looked at me, kid, are 582 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 3: you in stain? You don't say no? Does we want 583 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: you to go do this? But you know a month later, 584 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: how would you like to do sidelines on college football 585 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: in the prime, same game and do some features on 586 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: this this show called Game Day which is a half 587 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: hour long and Saturday watched by nobody. 588 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: A couple of years later, I would you like to 589 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 2: host it? Nobody was elbowing me out of the way 590 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: to get that job. 591 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: By the way, I got the job when I was 592 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: twenty six or something, but no one else wanted it 593 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: at that point. And I think, again, just just listening 594 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: to my gut, making a couple of choices early on 595 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: to put me on the path, and then then not 596 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: leaving you when the opportunities came, would have been a 597 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: stupid mistake. In long careers. We're all going to have 598 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: moments no matter what we do for a living, but 599 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: we're frustrated. We don't feel appreciated, right, we don't feel 600 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 3: fairly compensated, or whatever makes you feel uncomfortable. Those conditions 601 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 3: will exist for all of us. And I didn't listen 602 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: to that. I didn't run away from something. I never 603 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: believe you should run away from something. You should run 604 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: to something better. And there wasn't anything better for me 605 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: that was offered when I sat back and looked at 606 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 3: it soberly. Thank god I didn't leave, because I wouldn't 607 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: be doing what I'm doing. We've been't have this conversation. 608 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: So just knowing yourself really well, and never making choices 609 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: based on money, certainly not making choices based on ratings 610 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: or am I going to be seen more on this 611 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: or that? Well I get famous doing this? None of 612 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: that has ever mattered. I mean, it doesn't make me 613 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: a virtuous person. I'm just being honest. It's never been 614 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: in driving force. It's always been about the experience. 615 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: Of doing it. 616 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: Did it feel fun? Did it feel challenging or fulfilling? 617 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: I still ask those questions every year, you know, you 618 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: get a chance to do the NFL. I love the NFL. 619 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: It's football at the highest level. I like college better 620 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: at this moment, but I still would love to have 621 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: the experience of the NFL games. So you take the 622 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: challenge on knowing it's going to be hard, knowing you 623 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: have a lot to learn, but just kind of leaping 624 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: in there. And it's been it's been awesome to do that. 625 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: And I think that I always want to feel like 626 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: there's something I haven't done that's going to be fulfilling 627 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: and challenging. 628 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: I got to get a hell of a lot better. 629 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: They call the NFL games. 630 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: I think you know that there's a challenge in that 631 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: because there's a learning curve, and I think that I 632 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: always want to be better this game than last game. 633 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: And as long as you've got stuff like that right, 634 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: you know, it continues to drive you and inspire you. 635 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: Last one and I weird texting said it was going 636 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: to be all softballs. You said, no, I like curveball. 637 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: There was a rumor that when you host a college 638 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: game day you never used a prompter, meaning it was 639 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: all either up here or you used your notes. Is 640 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: that true and if so, that's freaking amazing. 641 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: Thanks. I mean I don't view it that way. 642 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: First of all, prompter would have been impractical. It's an 643 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: outdoor show. It's hard to see it. And I know, 644 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: no disrespect to production assistance around the world. I love you, 645 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: You're valuable. We need to. 646 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: But that's certainly an entry level person that runs the teleprompter. 647 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: And I did Sports Center, where it was required sometimes 648 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: I got you know, there were anchors that back in 649 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: the day that would Berman, for example, use it less 650 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: than others, and so they would kind of wing it 651 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: strongly discouraged from winging Sports Center. I wouldn't have done that, 652 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: but I just got used to not using prompter early 653 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: on in game day when it was a studio show, 654 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: and that you do basketball raps, you know, wrapping kinds 655 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: of games you need call for you, and there's no 656 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: ability to script it or prompt it. I mean, prompter 657 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: implies that the script is there on the page and 658 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 3: the game. It was never liked that I had note cards. 659 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: I would write roll accuseter packages, little little cheat sheet 660 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: stats segways in there. 661 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: I have very neat writing. I just brought them into 662 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: little cards and that's. 663 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: Why I used to hold in my hand. But it 664 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: was it wasn't like, hey, I might take on the 665 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: challenge not using a prompter. Prompt was just impractical and 666 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: recesn't use one either. It's not it's just not the 667 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: way that show is done. Still pretty great though, it's 668 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: great stuff. 669 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: It's fun, you know listen. I mean I think that 670 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: you you know what we do. 671 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: You have an energy about it because it's challenging because 672 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: you're out there in that type rope. You're out there 673 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: with no safety net. You say something stupid these days, 674 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: your career could be over by the time you get 675 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: off the air. I could pick up my phone and 676 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 3: do an Instagram video and my career could be over 677 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: in thirty seconds. That's that's the that's the tightrope we walk. 678 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: There's no there's no net. Bill Walton, on the other hand, 679 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: leads less of a less We're gonna have to have 680 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: another conversation, but we've got to do another episode. We 681 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: talk about the various characters we've worked with, because that 682 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: is the great joy, you know what I mean to 683 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: being able to work with Dick Vital for many years. 684 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: He's a dear friend Lee Chorus, so obviously a character 685 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: of John McEnroe now in tennis, those three names stick 686 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: out because they, like Bill, our singular personalities. I'm not 687 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: sure anyone is quite as singular as Bill, but I 688 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: think that you know those those guys, and there there 689 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 3: are many others. It's just such a joy to hang 690 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: out with them and kind of see not just the 691 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 3: games we do, but life through their unique lens. And 692 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: I've learned so much from those guys, and you know, 693 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: being around Bill Moore would it would have been a 694 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: joyful for me, but it didn't happen. 695 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: One hundred percent on being around them and kind of 696 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: seeing how they operate, but also how they make you 697 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: better because they challenge you. You don't know what's coming, 698 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: I assume with Vitel and I've worked with Dick some too, 699 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: not as much as you, but obviously guy like McEnroe, 700 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what's coming and when it's coming, right. 701 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: You have a different attitude as a broadcaster when you 702 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: do a match with Johnny Mack than if you do 703 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 3: a match with any other tennis analysts. And I love 704 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: John and we get along great. Once I earned his 705 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: respect as someone who really embraces tennis and is authentic 706 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: about their passion for it. I was probably a tennis 707 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 3: fan actually before I was a college football fan. When 708 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: his rival Jimmy Connors came on the scene, I talked 709 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: to John about that I'm only in the tennis because 710 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: of Jimmy, and he hates that, but we have. 711 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: Fun with that. 712 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: But now John is amazing in the way that he 713 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: sees things, his type of analysis. When you pair it 714 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: with his brother Patrick, who is a very different personality 715 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: who sees the sport differently, who didn't get by on 716 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: the sheer brilliance of his talent. 717 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: I mean John was like Mozart. No one played like that. 718 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: He was just a tennis the bond as a teenager onward. 719 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: Patrick was a grinder. Patrick got the most out of 720 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 3: his ability, and as an analyst, he sees things for me. 721 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: The Johns. You put him together and we. 722 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: Have a three man booth for the biggest tennis matches 723 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: of the year, which we don't have for other matches. 724 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: So we kind of just come together and have this 725 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: understanding we're all gonna have to pull back and do 726 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: less than or this isn't gonna work. And so it's 727 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: a constant adjustment on the fly, but again that that 728 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: challenge is what is what makes it fun. And then 729 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 3: John will just turn to you and ask me some 730 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: question that if you didn't do your homework, you're not 731 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: going to know. And so I do prepare differently knowing 732 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: that John's gonna turn. 733 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: He hasn't really used notes. 734 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 3: They're there in front of him, but he's looking at 735 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 3: the court. So he'll just turn and ask you, you know, 736 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: what did he do the last tournament? What did he 737 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: do in this Twimbledon tuna? If I don't know what 738 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 3: uh Matteo Barattini did in in in Halla or Queen's Club, 739 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: I got a problem, I'm gonna look bad. And he 740 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 3: doesn't care that there's a pause. 741 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 2: Uh let me check that, John, I mean, that's that's 742 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: the wrong that's the wrong answer. No answer. 743 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: I'll get back to you on that is the wrong answer. 744 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: So you'd like to have that top of mind. I 745 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: don't know if that Bill did at ask what you 746 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 3: dealt with? You know, you better be ready for anything, right, 747 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: including his musical references or his you know, historic references. 748 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: You know, oh yeah, he brought up you know, how 749 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: many follows does he have? And how many points did 750 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: he have last game just out of nowhere, as if 751 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: somehow I've got it all upstairs ready to roll off 752 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: my tongue. 753 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: He's interesting, that doesn't man. 754 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: Oh man, it does. 755 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: This is great Chris. 756 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: I know you're pressed for time. You get a lot 757 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: going on, So I really appreciate him. 758 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: Man, Like look Ford to getting out there, like Ford 759 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: to that beautiful city and having a good show on 760 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 3: Monday and night. But hope that both teams can make 761 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: some plays and look forward to connecting out there with you. 762 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: I could have spent a long time with Chris just 763 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: talking about some of the people over the years that 764 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: he's had a chance to work with. Really a pioneer 765 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: when you think about on site hosting a show like 766 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: College Game Day and what that is meant to the sport, 767 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: the growth of college football and football in general, and 768 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: then his seamless transition to play by play the lead 769 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: college football voice, the lead tennis voice, and ESPN and 770 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: calling multiple NFL games a season, including the Cardinals game 771 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: coming up against the Chargers. We are presented by HeLa 772 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: River Resorts and Casinos turn up the heat in the 773 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: Valley with the Arizona Cardinals fandom. Card by HeLa River 774 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: Resorts and Casinos. 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