1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BED three 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume podcast Network. 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm Chad Millman of the Action Network. I'm live from 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: my remote Tommy john Home studio. Listeners may know last 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: night went to Bulls Knicks at MSG and exciting Bulls 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: last second win. They covered the eight and a half. 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: The Milman Boys went home happy. I'm joined as always 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: by my co host, my companion Mike and Padre might 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: beff professional better Sigmon Hunter. Hello, So I'm in Chad. 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: What a great day today, a good football day. It's 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: gonna be forty degrees tonight in Philly for this playoff 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: matchup between the Commanders. I'm so jealous, as you. 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Know, yes, because I am on night two of the 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Milman Sportacular. Last night me and my son both Knicks 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: at MSG. Tonight we're going down to Philly. We'll go 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: to dinner with my older son at Drexel and then 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: we will go to Eagles Commanders. I'm a little worried. 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna be colder than I thought. I'm not sure 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: I brought the right coat. I'm gonna have to rally. 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: I wear my Drexel hoodie. 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: But dude, I can warm you up. I got I'm 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: a big coming for the tailgate brother. I'm thinking about it. 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: I'm tempted. 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: Dude. If you do, we can discuss offline. Yeah, hey, 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: listen that it was a very interesting story. I want 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: to talk about something that I read in the Wall 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Street Journal yesterday. Yeah, because we've talked about like the 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: challenges that everybody has faced as better as this year, 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: the public and the favorites have been winning so much so. 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: This week and the last week is earnings weeks for 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of publicly traded companies, where they are reporting 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: how they've done in the previous quarter, in this case, 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: usually the third quarter. That includes the sports betting operators 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: and two of the largest in the United States. I'm 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: not going to name them, but everyone knows who they are. 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: They both reported in their most recent earnings calls over 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: the past two weeks they've had to reduce their revenue 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: expectations for the rest of twenty twenty four because of 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: what one of them called euphemistically customer friendly outcomes, which 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: is a very nice way of saying the public has 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: been crushing it this year because favorites have been covering 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: at an extraordinary clips, so much that has cost operators 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: literally hundreds of millions of dollars. One of them reported 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: revenue would be reduced by about two hundred and fifty million, 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: the other by about fifty million. To put a finer 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: point on it, during the week of Halloween, the industry's 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: hold rate, which is essentially what they earn after payouts, 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: was just two percent, normally closer to ten percent. If 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: that gives you a real, real fine point on how 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: much the public has been winning this year. We've talked 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: about it a lot. It doesn't always get discussed like 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: in our business. A lot of professional betters like to 53 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: be on the side of these books, right the books 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: and the betters like to root for underdogs. They like 55 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: to bet underdogs. The books will make their money when 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: underdogs win. Pros historically are playing dogs. Books historically like 57 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: it when favorites loose. So all of that has made 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: for a fascinating year. Some of the publicly traded operators 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: laid bare with earnings this week. I don't know if 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: you have thoughts on that. As someone who is a 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: professional better I know. Look, we've had tremendous success and 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: my philosophy, I know this has always been identify where 63 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I think the public markets are going to be overinflated, 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: and then play the other side, and then look for 65 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: the opportunities to play underdogs. Obviously there's been much more 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: challenging this year. What are your thoughts on all this? 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: What I love about this story is it's these two 68 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: books kind of thought that they reinvented the wheel and 69 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: they banned professional betters quick There are some of the 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: quickest bands I've ever seen through these books we're talking about. 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: Their number wouldn't be as negative as it is if 72 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: they would take professional money. So these guys are really 73 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: stuck in their ways right now and we all know that. 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: So maybe this won't help change it right now, but 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: I do think down the road they'll learn from these lessons. 76 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: That was my biggest takeaway from it. 77 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you're totally right. Getting banned is a massive 78 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: issue for professional betters, and it's a constant conversation and 79 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 1: topic for people who are in the community. Nate Silver 80 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: actually wrote a book this summer that came out this 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: summer called on the Edge, and he has a chat 82 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: it's all about sort of the art of risking everything. 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: It's a phenomenal book. I freaking loved it, and sports 84 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: betting is a very small part of it. But he 85 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: did write sensively about how quickly operators ban anyone they 86 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: think is an advantage player that they quickly identify as 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: everybody knows. I wrote a best selling book called The 88 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Odds about the life of professional betters in Vegas. Chad 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: Milman wrote a book and the inner play they have 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: with operators and how that is a symbiotic relationship and 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: what the betters get out of it in terms of 92 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: first crack at lines and what the operators get out 93 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: of it. Back then, they weren't operators, they were just 94 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: book makers. By letting people pound the lines into shape, 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: and the risk that everyone is willing to take, and 96 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: they're communicating with each other, they're leaning on each other, 97 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: they're learning from each other. That sort of relationship I 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: think is diminished. 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Conditions 123 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: restriction is a plaque. All right, it's Thursday. This is 124 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: when we like to hear how the wise guys are 125 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: responding to our Tuesday conversation. We move lines. The pros 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: feel compelled to weigh in on what we're saying. Simon, 127 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: let's do shop call. 128 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: Hello, who's there. I'm talking rain range telephone range. Somebody said, 129 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: maybe want to do in Yeah, let's start with the 130 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: lines that we disagree on. So off the top, the 131 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: professionals like the Bears. I like Green Bay. I mean, 132 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to dive into that 133 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: game more. 134 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: But I just don't know for sure. 135 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: I don't agree what they're saying about this Bears team. 136 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: I think they're kind of missing it here. And all 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: the trends as well point to Green Bay and taking 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: them in this spot. So interesting. They love that one Cleveland. 139 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: That's another number that you know I talked about. Gave 140 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: it out of three to two and a half sharpest 141 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: number of the week. Apparently that's all the way down 142 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: to them minus one now for Cleveland, so clearly they 143 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: love it. I've missed this one. I was gonna end 144 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: up being on the Saints, and now I have to 145 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: be on the Saints. Now this line's flipped. I hate 146 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: this game. I didn't want to bet it. Now I 147 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: have to bet it, unfortunately. But the pros they love 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: that Cleveland side, which is really interested to me New 149 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: England Patriots. I'm on the other side. I like the Rams. 150 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: I know we're gonna talk about this one. I get 151 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: their viewpoint of it. They like this Patriots defense. You 152 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: have them at home against outdoor Stafford. I get their 153 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: reasoning behind it. So I'm looking forward to us breaking 154 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: down that one even more. And for the last one, 155 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: we knew this was coming. Buffalo Bills. The professionals love 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: the Bills. They love it, they love the number. They're 157 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: just like most people think on this Chiefs team's a 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: little overrated. They like this spot. Josh Allen at home. 159 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: He is not scared of this Chiefs team. We've seen 160 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: in his career. It's never honestly been his fault. Eve 161 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: when you go back and watch a lot of those losses. 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: This is never on Josh's either. Why she has a 163 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: terrible drop, His defense can't stop anything. It's never really 164 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: been his fault. So I get where they're coming from 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: this one. I'm excited to break this down even more. 166 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: But nothing changed for me on this one. I still 167 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: love the Chiefs and we've seen that number go down 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: now from two and a half to two of most books, 169 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: so it seems like some professional money has been coming 170 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: in on this Chiefs now that have kind of reached 171 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: its peak value at two and a half. So yeah, 172 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: just off the top, those are the ones we disagreed on. 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: The games we like the same side. Chad Pittsburgh no 174 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: brainer game we're gonna talk about more. Tennessee another game 175 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: we'll talk about more, and then Detroit, which we talked 176 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: on Tuesday. I know Chad didn't do it because he's 177 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: a good guy, but I my personal contests far ours 178 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: that I do. I locked in the twelve and a 179 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: half on Detroit because I knew it was going up. 180 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: Now it's up to thirteen and a half fourteen at 181 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: most books. So there's a couple games I'm happy we're 182 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: gonna be diving into. 183 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating board. I can't I do want 184 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to talk about that Cleveland game. I bet the Browns 185 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: at one and a half. I just couldn't couldn't have 186 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: resist it. Yeah, it just didn't make any sense me. 187 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: One final order of business. I mentioned this on Tuesday. 188 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: We are doing another Favorites live event. This is a 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: watch party. We're still nailing down some of the final 190 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: details that will be an RSVP page available, but what 191 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: you need to know right now, we're doing it in Philly, 192 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: the fighting city of Philadelphia. It's a home game for 193 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: my bff, Simon Hunter. He's gonna get all of his 194 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: compadres from Philly South Jersey to come out, but anybody 195 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: is welcome to come. It's gonna be Thursday, December twelfth, 196 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: great spot called the Wicked Wolf in Center City, Philadelphia. 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: There's gonna be drinks, live Q and A with me 198 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: and Simon. Matt Mitchell is gonna be there. It's gonna 199 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: be in advance of the Thursday night football game for 200 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: the Rams and the Niners. We're gonna have sort of 201 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: a happy hour pregame, drinks and Q and A with 202 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: me and Simon and Matt, and then we're all gonna 203 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: hang out. We're gonna watch that Rams forty nine Ers 204 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: game in a bet. Our faces off in Philly where 205 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: it's legal. We're going to enjoy and we're all going 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: to have a blast. Mark your calendars, start making plans. 207 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: We'll let you know when to and where to RSVP. 208 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: All right, Baltimore Pittsburgh. First game on the board, Steelers 209 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: plus three. This was our Simon Sas Simon, I think 210 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: there are real statistical matchup reasons for doing this. I 211 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: think the Steelers offensive strength, especially running the ball, they 212 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: are an advantage. I mean, the Steelers' offensive strengths throwing 213 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: the ball recently are an advantage against the Ravens defensive 214 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: weaknesses and vice versa. By the way, like the Raven's 215 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: strength running the ball is an advantage against the Steelers defense. 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: We're playing the percentages. We're playing the long term ROI. 217 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: I love the false enthusiasm. I'm gonna see if we 218 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: can make what do you guys quit today? 219 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: When these teams are grossly uneven, it favors the underdog. 220 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I will go through every single stat the litany of facts, 221 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: but I want to throw it to you first. 222 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest one to me, is definitely gonna be 223 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: the fact that I don't think the books have accounted 224 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: enough for Cayle Hamilton being out of this game. So 225 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: we have a defense that's already suffering. Now you have 226 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: arguably the best safety in all football, a guy who 227 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: can play every spot in the field, a guy who 228 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: he just can tell by the way the teams line 229 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: up when he's gonna blitz or when he's gonna back 230 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: on the coverage like he was incredible and you travel 231 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: over the field. I just knew it was gonna come 232 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: down as soon as I saw it that it was 233 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: three and a half. It was just like, Okay, this 234 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: will come down to three. And the books were gonna 235 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: get a ton of public money and they haven't budged sht. 236 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: Like I talked to a lot of book makers. It's 237 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: all Ravend's money right now for the most part. I 238 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: mean a lot of people have here taking the Steelers 239 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: team in the money line, but we've seen it early 240 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: here it's just been Raymonds money. So we obviously know 241 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: the trends back it up here, but I just think 242 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: the matchup on the field does as well. Somebody got 243 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: to be all in for everybody to be all in. 244 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: I've seen this team when the Ravens struggle with the 245 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: deep ball. That's all Pittsburgh wants to do. They want 246 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: to attack you downfield, they like they love anything above 247 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: twenty yards. They want to attack you. And it all 248 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: starts with the run game. So Arthur Smith knows that 249 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, we'll run it down their throat. Eventually 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: the linebackers will step up, they'll suck in, we'll get 251 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 2: one on ones, especially across the middle, and that's what 252 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson has been great this season. So home dog Tomlin. 253 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: We are already gonna love it. The fact that we're 254 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: getting such a good number. It's still a three to me, 255 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: it just makes it a no brainer. It's just a 256 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: spot we can't avoid. We love these type of numbers 257 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: in this type of spot. 258 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's every reality says, take the Steelers here. I 259 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: always get nervous with this because how does this trend 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: continue to hold. We've got a couple spots here where 261 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: we are today, where we're going to just be leaning 262 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: into what has historically happened, not overthinking, not letting our 263 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: eyes deceive us, not trying to be smart, not saying 264 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: this is going to be the time where it all 265 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: falls apart. Last twenty years, the underdog in this series 266 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: seventy four percent against the spread in the regular season 267 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: when the line is three or more underdog twenty two 268 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: four and three, underdog fifteen two and one against the 269 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,479 Speaker 1: spread since two thousand fifteen in the regular season underdog 270 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: twenty three, six and three against the spread. When Mike 271 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: Tomlin faces John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin twenty and fifteen straight up, 272 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: eighteen teen, fourteen three against the spread versus John Harbaugh. 273 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut you off because I laugh at that 274 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: all the time, like that's what the hell we pay 275 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: to do. 276 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: So everything says Steelers, Steelers, Steelers. And by the way, 277 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: if it was the other way, it would be Ravens Ravens. 278 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. That that has to do with Lamar two as 279 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: a dog, right, Lamar is a Dog's the biggest one 280 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: with that what you're talking about. So yeah, So we 281 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: love both sides as dollars. 282 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: We love both. We just love the dogs in this 283 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: spot underdogs in the AFC North Divisional games. Thank you 284 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Evan Neighbors. By the way, for all these you got 285 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: to check out his story that comes out on Wednesdays 286 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: where he breaks down every game with these cool stats. 287 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: Underdogs forty seven to thirty one against spread sixty percent 288 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen. So book it, Steelers. We might get burned, 289 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: obviously we think we could get burned here. 290 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: But it's not one hundred percent success rate. 291 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Nothing is one hundred percent success rate. It's positive. Ev like, 292 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: this is what we think is going to happen. And 293 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna overthink it on this, Like, I'm not 294 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna get crazy. We're just gonna play what we have 295 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: always played. If this was Duck Hodges and the Steelers 296 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: were plus three, I don't even think we'd be having 297 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: a conversation. We'd one hundred percent be betting the Steelers. 298 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I think we'd be more more confident if the Steelers 299 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: were actually. 300 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also in our contest is still three 301 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: and a half. So it's just like, not only you're 302 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: getting great value, you're getting a great number as well. 303 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: Done Minnesota Tennessee. Tennessee's a six point dog here. Look 304 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: the number says play the home dog. It's a defense 305 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: whose strengths matchup to a you know, turning into a 306 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: pumpkin quarterback. The trend say fade the road favorite with 307 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: a win percentage of seventy five or more, it's only 308 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: forty three percent against spread. The reality Will Levis versus 309 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: a Brian Flores defense. And if you want to talk 310 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: about the highest rankings for any defense in pressure and 311 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: blitz and blitz rate and total pressure is raw and 312 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: total blitz is raw, it's going to be Brian Flores. 313 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: If you want to talk about the quarterback who struggles 314 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: the most in the NFL, in that scenario, it's Will Lewis. 315 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: So I know that, like we want to do the 316 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: ugly thing here, I kind of went no part of 317 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: this game. 318 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also I mean, my main thing is 319 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: it's just yeah, Will loves and might might struggle and 320 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: be bad in this game. But Sam could be said 321 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: for Sam Darnel. And now we do have date on 322 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: him where you know, he's been a favorite ten times 323 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: of three points or more in his career. He's three 324 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: and seven against the spreading those games, so we've seen 325 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: him struggle as big favorites. Now, I told you the 326 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: negative to me is that the numbers come down. If 327 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: I want to put it in. If it's six and 328 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: a half, But I told you I'm not here to 329 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: force us in to take in this at six and 330 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: five and a half. It's like, I want a good 331 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: number run back in such a terrible quarterback and will 332 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: love us. But you're right, like, don't need to force 333 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: us one in. But it's a spot I have to bet, 334 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's buy and low on this 335 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: Tennessee team. Even last week, like in my money line 336 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: around Robin one on the legs was the Patriots paired 337 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: with the Jaguars, and it's like I knew at the time, 338 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: everyone was like, there's no way the Jaguars going to 339 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: beat that team, but you saw how it could happen. Right, 340 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: if you have a quarterback that's just playing terrible like 341 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: Sam Dona has been playing, teams are going to stay 342 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: in these games. So I'm with you. This is an 343 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: ugly one that I'm happy to avoid. But at six 344 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: and a half, if it is that jet in or contest, 345 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 2: I might force you to take it. 346 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think we're going to have five pretty good options, 347 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: and I do think we're gonna have to race onto 348 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: the site after this show because there's going to be 349 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: a game that we want to get in before they 350 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: become the favorite, and that is the Cleveland Browns, who 351 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: at bet three six 's five are still one point 352 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: underdogs at the New Orleans Saints. We talked about it 353 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I can't get out of my head, like 354 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't know why the Saints are still favored here. 355 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: It might not last much longer. Like there's a couple 356 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: spots where the Saints are a half point favorite now 357 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: opened it what two and a half on Sunday when 358 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: we first identified it? Are only mitigating factor here? Is 359 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: jamis other than that? Like? How are we not betting 360 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: the better defense, the healthier team off of bye with 361 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: a superior coach against a team that basically just won 362 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: the game that had to win and might not win 363 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: again all year and has zero receivers and a quarterback 364 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: who under pressure is a much different quarterback than he 365 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: is when he is not under pressure, which is why 366 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: we liked him last week. You got to be on 367 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: the Browns here, assignment be on the Browns with me. 368 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I'm fine with you putting them in, 369 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: but I have true I told you I want to 370 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: avoid this game because I don't really have a good 371 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: read on it. I just I just don't trust either 372 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks right now. And I'm with you. I'm 373 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: trying to find a reason to take this Cleveland team. 374 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: You're right, maybe it's the number and that's where the 375 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: value is. But for me, I just there's other games 376 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: I'd rather bet on. So this could be your game 377 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: if you want to stand behind it, you're confident in it. 378 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: I believe in you. You can put this one in. 379 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: But as you said your Thursday, I just can't get there. 380 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: Why is it just because of Jamis? 381 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the Browns in general. They're just they're 382 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: they're terrible this year and we've seen them struggle when 383 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: they get behind, and you know it's it is. It's 384 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: a huge game for Jamis, Like this is him coming 385 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: back to a team that let him go, and you 386 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: know he's in his feelings. Jamis is a crazy person 387 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: in his own heads. A lot of people forget. You 388 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: can go out, you can see practice, you can nicknack this, 389 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: that Paddy Way give with all the bone. That's just 390 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: my fear is he's just gonna be trying to do 391 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: too much. That's what you don't want if I knew 392 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: that this is gonna be a heavy Nick Chubb type 393 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: of game, and I would feel really confident, like what 394 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: you're talking about, this is a nice spot to fade. 395 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: This Saint's team off will win. I win that. Me 396 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: and you both agree they got pretty lucky to get 397 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: So I agree with your view of it that the 398 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: numbers probably right of Cleveland. I'm just not confident in 399 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: this Cleveland side. 400 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: Stefanski knows he's got a healthy offensive line, that he 401 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: can keep the clock running, that he's got a defense 402 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: that can be in Derek Carr's face, that the Saints 403 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: probably should have lost that game last week. They got 404 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: lucky winning it, Like I can believe all this. 405 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 2: All right, put it, We'll put it in. 406 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: Then I want to put it in. I want to 407 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: put it in. I want to own it. I'll own it. 408 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: But Simon, it is not our big balls. Better the 409 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Week Care presented by Tommy John. If you've got the balls, 410 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: Tommy John has the supports. Great games start with great underwear. 411 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: Tommy John makes the greatest. I believe we won our 412 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: big balls last week. It was the Saints, if I'm 413 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: not mistaken. So this week we're doing something we have 414 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: never done in the history of our show. How long 415 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: have you and I been together? What is it? There's 416 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: a sixth season. In six seasons, we have never gone 417 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: big balls on a two touchdown favorite, Yet here we are. 418 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: I bet the Lions at minus thirteen. It's in the app. 419 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: I saw it moving to thirteen and a half at 420 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: a couple of Connecticut books and wanted to get the 421 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: thirteen where I could. It's up to fourteen at a 422 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: lot of places, so that's the consensus. I feel like 423 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: we're entering the law of big numbers territory. It becomes 424 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: impossible for teams and quarterbacks to continue to outperform their 425 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: previous success and the market. It's why Patrick mahomes Ats 426 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: record is a favorite of more than three is so low, 427 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Like the public expectations are so high, it's just not 428 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: possible to consistently beat them. And I feel like we're 429 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: reaching that point with the Lions. But I don't care, 430 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: Like there's no reason not to bet them here. 431 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the trends as well, point to that 432 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: these big favorites have done well these last couple of years, 433 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: Like that's it's been profitable to take these favorites of 434 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: ten points or more, and Jared got specifically. You know, 435 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: he's made nine starts eleven and two or nine and 436 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: two straight up, and those starts as a big favorite 437 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: seven and four against the spread as a big favorite 438 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: of ten points or more. So I'm trying not to 439 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: let it scare us off. The biggest thing to me 440 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: is just the fact that they didn't cover last week, Chad, 441 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: like we've talked about this. I don't know if we 442 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: talked about this year, because they've been a covering machine. 443 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: But basically me and Chad blindly bet the Lions after 444 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: they don't cover, and people always ask us why, and 445 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: it's pretty simply point to a trend of Lions fail 446 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: to cover their previous game Golf fourteen and four against 447 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: the spread with Detroit, including nine and two at home 448 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: against the spread. So it's just really a spot like 449 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: we already liked the number. We like that it's Mac 450 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 2: Jones going against his defense, and it feels like that 451 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: was the Jaguars everything game last week outdoors in the muck, 452 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: and don't I just lay down at this point? Isn't 453 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: this a team that's just going to roll over and die, 454 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: especially if the Lions just come out and they're humming. 455 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: You know. That was the throwaway game last week. I 456 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: coughed the guy threw what was with five interceptions? You 457 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: expect him to have a huge bounce back spot and 458 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: this offense to have a bounce back spot, especially against 459 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 2: this Jaguars team. So shop around. There's I mean, I'm 460 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: seeing a thirteen still out there, so you can still 461 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: get a good number on this. For this show, though, 462 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: we'll take it up fourteen because that's what it's at 463 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: on bet three six five, Hello Detroit. Double digit's favorites 464 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: this year four and oh against the spread. I want 465 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: to just give that style because that's just it just 466 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: shows how things have changed. Like I used to be, 467 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: I really love taking double digit favorites, and this year 468 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: is kind of showing you. It's like it's moved the 469 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: other way where if the books are really pushing it 470 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: above ten, I mean, they really need the dog to 471 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: come through and that's just not happened them this season. 472 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's crazy, the fact that there're four 473 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: and oh double digit favorites this. 474 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Year, and it's crazy. That is our big balls better 475 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: of the Week, and we're going to be putting the 476 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions in the contest that way. As I said, 477 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: you can see in the app, I've already taken the Lions. 478 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: Our sponsor, Tommy John, makes the most comfortable underwear I've 479 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: ever worn. They've changed my life. When you're truly comfortable, 480 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: you can bet better, which means taking the Lions. As 481 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: double digit favorites. If you love Simon and if you 482 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: love this show, you love Tommy John, get twenty five 483 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: percent off your first order right now at Tommy john 484 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: dot com slash favorites. Save twenty five percent at Tommy 485 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: John dot com slash Favorites Tommy John dot com slash Favorites. 486 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: We talked about Green Bay in Chicago. Chicago is now 487 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: down to five and a half and like this was 488 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: a placeholder game for us, we could not come to 489 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: a conclusion. You've started the lean in the Packers direction, 490 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: to be honest, so do I. I think we wanted 491 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: to see a little bit about how the market moved 492 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: I the past two decades. I used this stat last 493 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: week for the Niners against the Bucks, and we were 494 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: on the Niners. It didn't work out, but they dominated 495 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: it and should have won that game. Going away Over 496 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: the past two decades, road faves off of a buy 497 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: cover at a sixty percent clip, the number is seventy 498 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: percent when the spread is five and a half or higher. 499 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: Why do you think the wise guys are on the Bears, Simon? 500 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Why do you want to be on the packers? 501 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: Because they're like me and they're old school. It's a 502 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: divisional home dog that's getting less than ten percent of 503 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: the bets, less than ten percent of the tickets. It's 504 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 2: this is what professionals do, and this is why again, 505 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: book makers need people like us because we bet the 506 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: other side and no one's betting, so they're not going 507 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 2: to catch me on this one. Though, Like I, I 508 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: was a sucker. I think it was five six years 509 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: ago where I was. I thought Roger was kind of 510 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: heading down the other side of his career. I know 511 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: it sounds stupid now, but this is when he was 512 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: still with McCarthy a little. Did I know he was 513 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: about to win two MVPs after that, But I was 514 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: always like, Okay, they'll finally catch this Green Bay team. 515 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Especially I got sucked in when they got you guys 516 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 2: had Mitch Tubisky. It doesn't matter if your team's good 517 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: if Green Bay is on the other side, they just 518 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: always beat you guys. It's the most bizarre thing right now. 519 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: You're the relationship between green Bay like that, the Brett 520 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: Favre era they dominated, Aaron Rodgers era they dominated, and 521 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: then Jordan Love, who's not even been that good as 522 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: a favor for some reason, though he plays really well 523 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: against this this Bears team. So five and a half now, Chad, 524 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: I'll join the public. I'll take the number. But I'm 525 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: happy that we don't have to make this one over 526 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: five because I'm just not super confident in betting in 527 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: Jordan Love is a big favorite. 528 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: No, I'm not either. I am more confident in betting 529 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: Matt laflor So even though it's not, it's not gonna 530 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: end up being our contest. Play Matt Lafleur on extended 531 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: preps seven and three against the spread when favored by 532 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: four points or more. That's the fourth best mark amongst 533 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: the ninety nine head coaches over the past twenty years. 534 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: Rams minus four and a half at New England another one. 535 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: I think you and I have sort of come to 536 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: an agreement here independently. We both kind of like the Rams, 537 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: and we know that the wise guys aren't the Patriots here, 538 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: but off of home loss as a favorite last week, 539 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: they're now road favorites field goal or more. Those teams 540 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: fifty eight percent against spreads in two thousand and three, 541 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: twenty nine to fifteen to two since twenty twenty. I 542 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: don't know McVeigh in this spot. He's great on short rest. 543 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: Like with Stafford as a QB, he's great on short rest. 544 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that the wise guy love for the 545 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: Patriots in this spot. It feels like you'd want to 546 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: sell the Patriots right now and buy the Rams because 547 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: this was another one the Rams kind of dominated offense. 548 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like we're getting a great number 549 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: like this is it's down to four and a half, 550 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: like you just said, on this Rams team, that to 551 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: me is there's there's too much line movement right now 552 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: and to pass on this value. This should be at six. 553 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: Like you said, this Rams team coming off just their 554 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: worst offensive output this season, and there's no excuse, right, 555 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: they had all their guys back, they have their offensive 556 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: lineback at pook in the lineup bit a Cooper Cup, 557 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: no excuse. That was just a totally fall on their 558 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: face terrible game by them. How do we not been 559 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: on the bounce back the veteran quarterback with a great 560 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: head coach. This is the spot you dominate, right going 561 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: up against the rookie head coach and the rookie quarterback 562 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: after they just had a huge road win like this, 563 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: This Patrios team's gonna be feeling themselves all week, and 564 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: then on the flip side, this other team is going 565 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 2: to be raging. So the Rams have to roll here 566 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: if they If they don't Chad, I don't know what 567 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: kind of purgatory will put them into. But it's like, 568 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: this is clearly not a playoff team if they don't 569 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: come out and dominate this game. This is a team. 570 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: If this is a game, if you are a legit 571 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: playoff team who's gonna make a wild card run, you 572 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: have to win this game and you have to kind 573 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: of put it away by I think seven points are 574 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: more so I love this number and I'm happy you're 575 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: on the same side with me. 576 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, this feels like a no brainer for 577 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: the contest. The only question is we had the Rams 578 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: as a foxhole last week. Do we want to go 579 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: Rams foxhole again? Because we are clearly on the opposite 580 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: side of the professionals. 581 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: I love it. 582 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's put the Rams in the foxhole. 583 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: You know me, regardless of what's going on, I'm a 584 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: foxhole guy. I commit to a team, I commit to 585 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: a city. I'm a foxhole guy. 586 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: I can't think of a better tandem to be in 587 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: with than Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford. We love betting 588 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: on Matthew Stafford. I'm not afraid of it. We're going 589 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: even the foxhole with the Los Angeles Rams minus four 590 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: and a half against the New England Patriots. Another game. 591 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: I love this one too, and you and I have 592 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: not talked about it enough. Colts plus four at the 593 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: New York Jets went from four to three and a 594 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: half since we last met. Also, since we last met, 595 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson back in the starting lineup. Soon after that, 596 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: the line moved back to Colts plus four. Are you 597 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: as in love with the Colts in this game as 598 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: I am? 599 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. No, No, you're not. I'm betting it 600 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: because I think it's a good number. I don't think 601 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: this Jets team should be a four point favorite against anybody, 602 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: but I don't know how, I don't know the I 603 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: don't know the mood of the team, Chad, like everything 604 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: outside the numbers and all the data. The human element 605 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: of this is what scares me because we talked about 606 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 2: I don't like when teams have their owners making all 607 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: the decisions. And I said it from the get go. 608 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: There was something funky about the whole way they made 609 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Flaco the quarterback. The team reacted to it negatively. Flacco 610 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: turned back into a pumpkin. He didn't handle it well either. 611 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: And now it's all back on to Anthony Richardsons shoulders. 612 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: And he's what twenty two to twenty three years old, 613 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: and the guy's made nine starts. It's just, oh man, 614 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: it's a brutal they're putting this kid in like this 615 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: is just a year. You should have just let him 616 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: play it out. This was his rookie season. They just 617 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: I hate that the NFL moves so quick they judge 618 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: these kids because it's what because he was two for 619 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: fifteen passing in that first half, That's why they did it. 620 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: It's like we knew the kids weakness is coming out. 621 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: He was terrible at throwing the ball to the guy underneath. 622 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: He just literally can't hit it. But he's a great 623 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: deep ball thrower, so it's like they know what they 624 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: need to work on. It's all about how you get 625 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: taxed these next couple of years. But his mental might 626 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: be shot now. We don't know what he's This kid's 627 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: gone through these last couple of weeks. So that's why 628 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: it's like I'll bet it. It's the same thing like 629 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: I'd rather do Cleveland than take this number with you, Chad, 630 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: It's like this one, we're strictly betting the number. At 631 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: least Cleveland. I can see them winning. Like I think 632 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: they are the better team than the Saints, where the 633 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: Jets are the better team, They're just they're just another 634 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: team that's just lost overall. Like you said, they don't 635 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: have a head coach. That's a huge advantage to that 636 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: Colts team. So that's another reason why I'm playing that 637 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: plus four numbers. So it's just a number that I'm 638 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: not confident. There's other games I'd rather bet, but Anthewy interesson. 639 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: We'll see how he can handle adversary. Look, this is 640 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: a huge game where if they win this, this could 641 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: change their whole season. If they lose it, we could 642 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: easily just see this keep getting worse and worse for 643 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: this Colts team, because this Jets team, we said it 644 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 2: last week, they look like they quit. So we'll see 645 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: which one of these teams is ready for vacation, which 646 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: team is actually not given up yet on their season. 647 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: Here's why I like this, and this is part of betting, 648 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: and it's something that every regular better has to manage, 649 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: which is their own personal biases and the things that 650 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: matter the most of them when they're breaking down these games. 651 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: And we've generally liked the Colts because we like Shane 652 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Steichen's a play caller, at least we did last year 653 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: and still do. And we love their running game right 654 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: Their run blocking unit number one in the NFL. Their 655 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: offensive line when it comes to run blocking is elite. 656 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor is a great running back. Gain more than 657 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: one hundred yards last week against the Bills. It's why 658 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: we liked that game last week. And if not for 659 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: the Joe Flacco turning into Batter Flacco, then I still 660 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: contend we cover that game. I know it's a ludicrous 661 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: argument if if but like the Jets run defense is terrible. 662 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: We saw it last week. They can't tackle. They're afraid 663 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: to tackle. They don't want to put their nose in it. 664 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: If I'm Shane Steichen and I can run the ball 665 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: and I can dominate that way, and I get Anthony 666 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: Richardson back, then all of a sudden, I've got another 667 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: running threat against a defense that is chaos, and really 668 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to hang its hat on right now. 669 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: So I like it actually more at four with Anthony 670 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: Richardson than I do with Joe Flacco. We don't have 671 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: to put it in, but my reverse psychology might have 672 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: worked because now I get to put Cleveland in. That's fair, 673 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: all right. So Atlanta at Denver, Atlanta's two and a half. 674 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that didn't come up in sharp calls because 675 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: I feel like the wise guys are on Denver and 676 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: you and I both like Atlanta. 677 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just a game where it's it's not 678 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: honestly as heavy as you think it would be on 679 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: that Denver team. For the professionals, I think they liked 680 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: the early number right. They grabbed it when it was 681 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: one one and a half. Now that's up to two 682 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: and a half. Either guys are avoiding or people are 683 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: like you and me, right, we're taking the other side 684 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 2: in this, So I don't know where you're at with Atlanta. 685 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: It's feeling like a little chalky to me that like 686 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: it's of course we're taking this Kirk Cousins a two 687 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: point dog to bow Nicks. I'm just worried there's something 688 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm missing here because this does feel easy, Like when 689 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: we talked on Tuesday, It's like I thought this was 690 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: gonna be one of my bigger bets. I've kind of 691 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: pulled back from it because there's other games I like more, 692 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: but it's it's shocking it's still two and a half 693 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 2: on this Atlanta team. I just don't know what I'm missing. 694 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you know what I put in the notes. 695 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: I really can't believe this line hasn't moved. 696 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what are. 697 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: And it turned me off in the same way I 698 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: think it turned you off the past forty eight hours. 699 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: And again you and I haven't talked about it. I 700 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: like things to be fresh for the show, but I 701 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: have not put much. I don't think I put any 702 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: money on the Falcons yet. 703 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: I bet it, but I'm with you, it's like I 704 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: bet it. I'm like, ah, should I just put that 705 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: much money. I just put on that like I should 706 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 2: have been patient. 707 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's not a contest play to me, and I 708 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: think on Tuesday, if you had asked me on Tuesday, 709 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: I was probably gung ho putting in this in the contest. 710 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: And it's definitely faded out of the top six or 711 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: seven for me at this point. Like Kirk Cousins off 712 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: a loss, straight up off a loss, he's great, But 713 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: I do worry about the pressure that the Broncos can 714 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: get on Kirk Cousins in this game, and the lack 715 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: of pressure the Falcons and create for bo Nix, who's 716 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: just clearly getting more and more confident each and every week. 717 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: And if I'm the Broncos, I'm emboldened by what happened 718 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs, Like I look at that and think, wait, 719 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: we can play here, Like this was not us like 720 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: being a bad team. This was just they made a 721 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: great play in the exact right spot. They're the champions. 722 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: What can we learn from this? I don't know. I'm 723 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: a little more nervous about it than I was, so 724 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad we're on the same page. Meanwhile, I mentioned 725 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: up top with the Steelers We're just going to keep 726 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: playing with fire, right the Steelers plus three Every week 727 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: we say raw Rob Mike Tomlin, and we take it, 728 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: even though it feels kind of chalky and cliche at 729 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: this point. Same thing with the Kansas City Chiefs, who 730 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: are now two point dogs at Buffalo. It's come down 731 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: from two and a half. This was my ex decision 732 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: this week. The wise guys you said they were on Buffalo, 733 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: they bettered at the two and a half. A little 734 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: bit of buyback. All the precedent tells you not to 735 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: overthink it. You said it on Sunday, you said it 736 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: again on Tuesday. Do not go too deep into the matchup. 737 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: Take Patrick Mahomes. Why don't the wise guys agree with us? 738 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 2: I honestly think it's all about what groof Tree talked to. 739 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: I would say that some guys are like me that 740 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 2: just they've learned from going against Mahomes in the past 741 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 2: that there's just don't don't listen to your model, stop 742 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: thinking you know more, you just bet Mahomes. It's that 743 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 2: kind of thing where the other side is just we 744 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: all know what they know. Right. This Chiefs team isn't 745 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 2: that good as people perceived. They've gotten extremely lucky this season. 746 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: They do have injuries that effective this team, like number 747 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: one receiver and their number one running back. That's a 748 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: huge thing to a team like that that needs those 749 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 2: explosive plays, right, and we've kind of seen they've just 750 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: figured it out out where they've dinked and dunked their 751 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: way down the field. Now they're kind of back to 752 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: what they were last year of just a slow, ugly, 753 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: drag it out kind of offense and that relies heavily 754 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: on their defense. And when we look at this matchup, 755 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 2: the biggest thing to me is just the pattern we've 756 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: talked about that we think that we've nailed with the 757 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 2: Bills and this team this season, which is if they're 758 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 2: playing a bad team, they can roll you. I mean, 759 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: we've seen it now with Joe Brady in this offense, 760 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: him calling it. They can run it down team's throats 761 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 2: if they're able to. The Chiefs aren't that type of team, 762 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 2: and you know, we saw it with Houston. They struggled, 763 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 2: they lost by three, and then they got rolled by 764 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 2: that Ravens team. So we've seen them face good playoff 765 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 2: teams and they've lost this year. This Buffalo team and 766 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,479 Speaker 2: here comes the Chiefs we perceived to be a good 767 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 2: playoff team. I just think it's going to be tight. 768 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 2: And that that two and a half, which is such 769 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: a key number we always talk about. That felt like 770 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: to me, that's where all the value was on this number. 771 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 2: So Mahomes and the dog, we know, brain want to 772 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: be on it. The fact that we were getting two 773 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: and a half, I mean, chop around people. We we 774 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,959 Speaker 2: just said there's it's two now at bet three sixty five. 775 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: There's still a couple two and a halfs out there. 776 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 2: Make sure you grab that number. We always talk about 777 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 2: such a key number. So I I am surprised that 778 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: the money has moved this number back down because it 779 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: seemed like the books were going to take a position 780 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: right when they moved the all way up to two 781 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: and a half. I don't know if you agree with me. 782 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this might get to three. Like 783 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: they're clearly taking a position here on the bills. They 784 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: think they have a good read on it. But they've 785 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 2: humbly moved it back down. So it seems like even 786 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 2: the books are a little unasure how to price this 787 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 2: game on this number. 788 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: I was convinced Monday when it didn't get to three, 789 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: because it got to two and a half right away 790 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: that it was just staying there. So I betted at 791 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 1: two and a half Kansas City on Monday. It's been holden. 792 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all now that it's gotten back 793 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: down to two. I wouldn't be surprised if comes Sunday. 794 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: We've seen so much money, especially since Betty became legal, 795 00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: come in on Sunday between eleven and one, so it's 796 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: like so hard to be patient during the week and like, 797 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: no that you might be able to get the number 798 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: you want on Sunday. I actually think the number is 799 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: going to get lower. I think it's going to go 800 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: in the direction of the Chiefs because it's the Chiefs. 801 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: They're undefeated. Most people are going to want to bet them. 802 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 2: Oh, the money line, the teaser exposure, they're getting hammered 803 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 2: right now with it. 804 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: I think, like you, if you want the Chiefs, get 805 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: it now, because I don't think it's going to get 806 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: any better for you. A couple of stats keep in 807 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: mind we've mentioned them before. Mahomes eleven and three straight 808 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: up as an underdog, twelve one and one against the spread. 809 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: This is the best straight up mark as a dog 810 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era for a QB with at 811 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: least ten starts. Of course, that one against the spread 812 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: loss came as an underdog in twenty twenty two at 813 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: home against Josh Allen and the Bills. They lost by four, 814 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: so two and a half point underdog also twenty six 815 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: to eight, and one in his career as a favorite 816 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: of three or fewer that is Mahomes And the other 817 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: thing I will say, like the Bills are not in 818 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: a great spot health wise. We talk about the Chiefs 819 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: and Isaiah p. Checko not back this week, or Rashi 820 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: Rice he's out right, but Kean Coleman not playing, Dalton 821 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: Kinkaid has a cast on his hand, Amari Cooper not playing. 822 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: They've got some issues on their offensive line. They're not perfect, Chad, 823 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: Before we go any further, just wanted to break into 824 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: the show here to give my beloved Buffalo Bills a 825 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: little pep talk. And who better to deliver this message 826 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: than my favorite coach all time, coach Pete Bell, played 827 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: by Nick Nolty in the seminal nineteen ninety four film 828 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: Blue Chips. Coach Bell, let him hear. 829 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: It, all right, boys, we got a job to do now. 830 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 2: Goddamn it, We're not I'm going out there to make 831 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 2: a good show or just put up a good fight. 832 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: We're going out there to beat the best goddamn team 833 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: in the country. 834 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: Right now. Let me tell you something. Boys, you may 835 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 2: not know this, but I know it. There is the 836 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 2: talent in this room to do just that. He'll tell 837 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: them exactly what we're gonna do. I'll give them our offense. 838 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 2: I'll give them our defense because it's not what you do, 839 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 2: goddamn it, it's how you do it. And we're gonna 840 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 2: go nose to nose with him, and you're gonna play 841 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 2: better than you ever dreamed of, because goddamn it, that's 842 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 2: what I've have. Man of you. Good luck boys, give 843 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 2: him help the Bills. Make me a wanna. 844 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: Last game we want to talk about. This was an 845 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: alternate foxhol so I do want us to go through it. 846 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: We're sort of leaning Chargers right now minus one and 847 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: a half against the Bengals. Maybe we're like on the 848 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: wrong side of the wave now with the Chargers because 849 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: we've avoided the Chargers. We've said they're a little bit 850 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: too vanilla. We didn't believe they were good enough to 851 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: beat good teams. Now all of a sudden, we've changedtoon 852 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: and they could beat a good quarterback, which they haven't 853 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: done this year. They've lost the Mahomes, they've lost to 854 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. But maybe we're snake bitten. They've basically done 855 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: things they don't do the things that have burned us 856 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: the most. They don't make bad coaching decisions, they don't 857 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: make bad penalties at the worst possible time. They don't 858 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: turn the ball over. So now we like the Chargers. 859 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: We're not gonna put them in the contest, I don't think, 860 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: But give me your take here, I. 861 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 2: Wouldn't mind putting them in. I love the Chargers in 862 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 2: the spot. This is probably gonna end up being one 863 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 2: of my bigger bets. I just love the number. Love 864 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 2: this team, and the biggest thing I love about him 865 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 2: is that they're not the Cincinnati Bengals team. Shead, I 866 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 2: think this is one of the more overrated teams of 867 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,919 Speaker 2: this season. You're like me, though, you love Joe Burrow 868 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 2: and he kind of blinds you to it. 869 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: Love them. 870 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 2: They're not good, this Bengals team. And I've thought that 871 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 2: all season, and I remember I was giving you a 872 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 2: hard time when they when you took them against the Eagles, 873 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 2: and it's just like, I think they're going to struggle 874 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 2: against good defense, and they've been very fortunate this season. 875 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 2: They really haven't faced many good defenses. And you know, 876 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 2: the public is a little blind to it right now 877 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 2: because what we just saw them put up forty one 878 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 2: against the Raiders two weeks ago, then last week in 879 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 2: a primetime game, they put up thirty four. Like people 880 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 2: right now are just like this offense is a juggernaut, 881 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 2: They're unstoppable. We'll see like they're about to face another 882 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 2: really good defense, and I think that's gonna be the 883 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 2: difference here is the Chargers. They'll be patient, they'll wait. 884 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is gonna force one in there, They'll make 885 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 2: him make a mistake and that's when this Chargers team, 886 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 2: to me, will kind of take this game by the 887 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 2: rains and take a lead. So this is gonna be 888 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 2: to me, the biggest public side of the week. Everyone, 889 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 2: every bookmaker I've talked to it. Basically every teaser they've 890 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 2: gotten too far as the Chiefs Bengals teaser like, they 891 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 2: just can't stop taking those type of teasers, right now, 892 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 2: which makes total sense. You're getting Joe Burrow up to 893 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 2: seven and a half, which is a pretty good number 894 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 2: against his Chargers team in most people's minds. But I 895 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 2: could see this Chargers team rolling. It's just a team 896 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 2: that's kind of been slept on this season. Like you said, 897 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 2: we've even slept on them where we were just unsure 898 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 2: about what their identity was gonna be, and they've taken 899 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 2: on just this really smart team that plays stout defense. 900 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 2: I think that's something that's gonna give trouble with this 901 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 2: Bengals team. So even if this does turn into a 902 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 2: QB battle, I'm not too thrown off with it being 903 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 2: herbering his weapons. It feels like he's gotten more comfortable 904 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 2: to here down the road. So do I wish this 905 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 2: one kept going down? It woud been great to get 906 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: the Chargers of the dog. I thought it would keep 907 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 2: moving that way. This number is not bud despite just 908 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 2: about nine money nine percent of the tickets coming in 909 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 2: on that Bengals side. So we talked all the time. 910 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 2: There's certain games I like to dig my heels and 911 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 2: on this is gonna be one of them. We're primetime game, 912 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 2: which everyone's on a road dog. Uh, usually is not 913 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 2: good for these people. 914 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's when you say you're digging your heels. It 915 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: feels like you want to take a position and put 916 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: them in the contest. And now we're gonna have a 917 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: challenge because I think we got we got if as 918 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: I see it, seven games we like for the contest, 919 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,959 Speaker 1: so we'll have to narrow it down after the show. 920 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: I think the games that we like the most Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, 921 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: we like the Rams, Kansas City, the Chargers. I think 922 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: that's actually six, So it's gonna come Maybe it's coming 923 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: down to the Chargers in the Browns. Maybe it's coming 924 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: down to the Chargers in the Rams. Are we gonna 925 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,800 Speaker 1: want like a road favorite in there and a big 926 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: favorite and a short home favorite that's going against what 927 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: the public is doing. That's gonna be it's gonna be exciting. 928 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: Each week we give out a two team money line 929 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: underdog parlay Bet three six five boosts the odds and 930 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: highlights it on their site all weekend under both game pages. 931 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: Remember both games were eligible for Bet three six fives 932 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: early payout promo, where your money line pick gets marked 933 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: as a win. If that money line pick takes a 934 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: seven team point lead even if they lose. I've benefit 935 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: from this myself. If you want to bet this better 936 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: at bet three six five this week's boosted parlay Steelers 937 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: plus the Chiefs. Find the boost under either the Steelers 938 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: or Chiefs game page. I'm bet three sixty five. 939 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 2: There will come up payday. Hallelu yo, wanna pay day? 940 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 2: There will come. 941 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: Up payday some day. 942 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 2: Some day there, I will come up heayday. 943 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: Hallelu yo. 944 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 3: Wanna payday. 945 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 2: I will come up payday some day. 946 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: Simon. This is where I thought we would land for 947 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: our underdog round. Robin. Tell me if you disagree. Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Cleveland. 948 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 2: Uh, Cleveland is minus one tenth. So I'm gonna make 949 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 2: you sadly have to take that one out. Let's pair 950 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 2: up another long shot with that Coats one, because I 951 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 2: we're the type where you're getting to the point of 952 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 2: the season where it's like you want to take these 953 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 2: ugly dogs, like just like the Patriots last week, right 954 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 2: every now and then they're in, they're going to keep popping. 955 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 2: How do we not throw Tennessee? 956 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to say. 957 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 2: I know, like, no one's betting them they're plus two 958 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 2: oh five. Come on, this would be such a shocker, 959 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 2: and I love those type of bets. 960 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: Give me your biggest bets. Then right now you mentioned 961 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: the Chargers. Where are your biggest bets? 962 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 2: They're not yet Chargers because I, like I said, I 963 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 2: felt the public would really hammer that that number on 964 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 2: the Bengals and I'd get a better number. But it 965 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 2: looks like I'm just gonna have to suck it up 966 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 2: and take this minus one and a half two and 967 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 2: a half chiefs if you can still find it. That's 968 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 2: no brown, no doubt aboucking with my bigger bets, Pittsburgh. 969 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 2: I was hoping we'd still get the three and a half. 970 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 2: Chat we've seen now it's the books are going to hold. 971 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 2: Now on the three, I haven't broken yet. Like my 972 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 2: early heavy money was on the three and a half. 973 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 2: Haven't touched the three yet. I'm gonna give in. This 974 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 2: will be one of my bigger bets if it just 975 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 2: stays of the three. I don't hate taking the three. 976 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 2: I just want the three and a half. You know 977 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 2: it is so those two they jumped out right away, 978 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 2: And then right now, I mean shockingly Detroit. I've just 979 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 2: been hammering it at thirteen. I was just all over 980 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 2: it thirteen and a half. I've played a little bit 981 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 2: of fourteen. I've slowed down a little bit just because 982 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 2: it's hitting that point of I don't think they're gonna push, 983 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 2: but it's like the value Obviously I've shifted at this point. 984 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,399 Speaker 2: But I really do love Detroit in this spot with this. 985 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: Number, and I love that about you. I love that 986 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: you and I independently who says we can't adjust? Fucking 987 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: love that you and I are both going balls to 988 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: the wall on a two touchdown favorite in the Detroit 989 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: Lions Scoots Roulette. Last week we both lost. Who's your pick? 990 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: This week? 991 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 2: When all hope is lost, all this left is relief. 992 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 3: Let's play Scoots Roulette? 993 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 2: I mean depends. Well, they let me get Chiefs two 994 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 2: and a half. 995 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: Give me Chiefs two and a half. 996 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,720 Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate you. Give me, give me the boring, 997 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 2: the safe play. I need to get back on my 998 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 2: winning ways. Give me Chiefs two and a half. 999 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: So I narrowed it down to the Rams, Detroit and 1000 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,879 Speaker 1: Indie and the fact that you love Detroit as much 1001 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: as you do if you can give me the lowest 1002 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: available price on Detroit that is on the board anywhere 1003 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: I want to take Detroit. 1004 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,839 Speaker 2: There's a thirteen out there, all. 1005 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,959 Speaker 1: Right, then I'm taking Detroit minus thirteen. 1006 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 2: The most public book there is, so it doesn't matter. 1007 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: I'll take it. Customer Friendly decisions have been made. I'm 1008 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: getting a customer friendly line. 1009 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 2: True. 1010 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: Listen, Before we get out of here, let's bring in 1011 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: our director of research, Evan Abrams, for the final word. 1012 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: He's going to make us feel so much better about 1013 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: everything we've said today. 1014 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 2: The last word with Evan Abrams, we're finished talking. 1015 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 3: It would have been crazy a few years ago, just 1016 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 3: that we were starting a game down fourteen points and 1017 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,239 Speaker 3: we had the Lions. But that's where we sit today. 1018 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 3: All right, Let's talk about the Chiefs because that's the 1019 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 3: game of the weekend. Here's a nugget I kind of 1020 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 3: drew up here. If you like Kansas City, you're gonna 1021 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,240 Speaker 3: like where this is headed. So since the Patriots undefeated 1022 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 3: season in two thousand and seven, we've had just three 1023 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 3: undefeated teams lose three consecutive games against the spread or more. 1024 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 3: Where the Chiefs right now are on a three game 1025 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 3: ats losing streak. That is the twenty twenty Titans, the 1026 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen Rams, and the two thousand and nine Saints. 1027 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 3: After that three game ATS losing streak, those teams win 1028 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 3: three and zero straight up and against the spread, covering 1029 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 3: by twenty three point five points per game after that streak. 1030 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 3: What I'm telling why, I'm telling you this. If you 1031 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 3: like Kansas City and you think being undefeated, even though 1032 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 3: that Denver field goal was one way or the other, 1033 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 3: isn't an accident, then covering and covering by a lot 1034 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 3: is coming. So that is a positive aspect of looking 1035 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 3: at the three game ATS losing streak they're on. 1036 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,319 Speaker 1: That's how I'm looking at it. Evan. 1037 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 3: I now, Pittsburgh, you've said a lot about Tomlin. I 1038 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 3: just want to give you two more fun things. So 1039 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 3: his teams have faced Lamar four times. He's three and 1040 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 3: one straight up and four and zero against the spread. 1041 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,760 Speaker 3: That's the good part because usually after you face Lamar 1042 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 3: a time or two, he ends up getting back at you, 1043 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 3: and that hasn't happened with Tomlin. One of the reasons 1044 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 3: might be how he does against the run game. So 1045 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 3: when Tomlin is a dog facing a rush offense averaging 1046 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 3: four plus yards per carry. He's twenty five and eight 1047 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 3: against the spread. When that moves to four point five 1048 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 3: yards per carry, it's eleven and four against the spread. 1049 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what they're gonna have to do, is 1050 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 3: stop the run. Let's go to the Colts for a second. 1051 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 3: So the Jets, and this just gets crazier every week. 1052 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 3: But the Jets are three and seven straight up a 1053 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 3: thirty percent win percentage. They are four point favorites teams 1054 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 3: thirty three percent win percentage or less favored by four 1055 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 3: or more forty percent ats last twenty years. They are 1056 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 3: thirteen and twenty eight against the spread thirty two percent 1057 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 3: over the last decade. If you like Indy, it's just 1058 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 3: a straight numbers play. And I got one for the Rams. 1059 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 3: So this one I literally just checked again ten minutes 1060 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,320 Speaker 3: ago because I wanted to make sure it was true. 1061 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 3: As a big favorite on the road, McVeigh has been 1062 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,960 Speaker 3: nearly flawless as a favorite of above four points on 1063 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 3: the road. He is seventeen and oh straight up in 1064 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 3: his career, never lost, So hopefully that continues this week, 1065 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 3: and I gets New England for you guys. 1066 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,280 Speaker 1: But that's what I got today, Chaed Wow, Simon, that's 1067 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,280 Speaker 1: going to make some of our decisions today really difficult. 1068 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited. As a reminder, the Favorites podcast is presented 1069 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: by Bet three sixty five and now new Bet three 1070 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: sixty five. Customers get one hundred and fifty dollars in 1071 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: bonus bets when you bet five dollars, sign up using 1072 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: promo code Favorites, deposit ten dollars. 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