1
00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:08,039
Speaker 1: The volume. The three and OW Podcast with me John

2
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Middlecoff is presented by FanDuel Sports Book. There's no better

3
00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480
Speaker 1: place to make every moment more than with FanDuel. Great

4
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,840
Speaker 1: odds and markets for baseball, the NBA, NHL, PGA Tour,

5
00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,080
Speaker 1: and so much more. Awesome new and existing user promotions.

6
00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,320
Speaker 1: America's number one sports book. Very easy to use, safe

7
00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,520
Speaker 1: and secure. You get your winnings fast. I cannot recommend

8
00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,559
Speaker 1: it enough. Love gambling with FanDuel. If you are a

9
00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,880
Speaker 1: new just download the fan Duel sports Book app to

10
00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,000
Speaker 1: get started now. Signed up with promo code Colin so

11
00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:53,360
Speaker 1: they know we sent you. What is going on everybody,

12
00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,600
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff Three and Out Podcast. I had a podcast

13
00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560
Speaker 1: already ready for you, and you'll still hear all of it.

14
00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,200
Speaker 1: I talked with Cam Hayward, Pittsburgh Steeler, pro bowler, All

15
00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Pro and just incredible human being I had. Obviously, if

16
00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,560
Speaker 1: you listen to Andrew Whitworth, who's the reigning Man of

17
00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,040
Speaker 1: the Year, I would put Cam Hayward in that category.

18
00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,039
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been up for the award with the Steelers.

19
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,480
Speaker 1: I think he'll eventually win. When I think high level

20
00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,400
Speaker 1: NFL guys, you know non quarterbacks, the whit worst, the

21
00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Calais Campbell's guys that have won that award. He's that

22
00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,160
Speaker 1: He's an impressive dude. He really is. I'm a huge fan,

23
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,280
Speaker 1: not that I wasn't before, but I'm gonna follow you.

24
00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler fans know how lucky you've been to have

25
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,919
Speaker 1: the guy complete stud But there was some breaking news,

26
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,560
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get a couple of takes out

27
00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 1: before we dive into the interview. Subscribe through the podcast

28
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,960
Speaker 1: Three and Out fire that if you listen through Collins

29
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560
Speaker 1: Feed subscribed separately to my feed, the three and Out

30
00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,880
Speaker 1: podcast would greatly appreciate it. Share with your friends, share

31
00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,400
Speaker 1: with your enemies, check out the volume on YouTube. Uh.

32
00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Anything else is going on obviously, Middlecoff mail back at

33
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,640
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. I want you to slide into the d

34
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,840
Speaker 1: m s and get your question answered. Middlecoff mail back.

35
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Football season, We're here, the Raiders are on the field,

36
00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,120
Speaker 1: all the teams By the next time you hear me,

37
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,480
Speaker 1: the next podcast will probably be on Tuesday. Uh, and

38
00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,000
Speaker 1: then we'll kind of get back into the flow of

39
00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 1: things with football and still still sprinkle it some golf.

40
00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,240
Speaker 1: We gotta Live Live. You know Greg Norman, He's Greg

41
00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,440
Speaker 1: Norman's ruffles. Some feathers. Don't sleep on, uh, don't sleep

42
00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,240
Speaker 1: on the shark. Florio is like, what if the Saudis

43
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,079
Speaker 1: take on the NFL. It ain't happening, buddy. It's a

44
00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,919
Speaker 1: little more expensive to take on. Not that they don't

45
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720
Speaker 1: have the money, but they don't. It's not possible. Everyone's

46
00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: getting rich in the league, you know, including Florio covers

47
00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,519
Speaker 1: the league that the NFL is a cash cow. Golf

48
00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,560
Speaker 1: was was there and right for the taking. Uh So, Yeah,

49
00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,040
Speaker 1: before I get into Russell uh not Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray,

50
00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to say something just you know. I I

51
00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,960
Speaker 1: think about it a lot, and I think it's so

52
00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,959
Speaker 1: cool the way it's all played out that I get

53
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,440
Speaker 1: to be partners and work with the volume and for

54
00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,440
Speaker 1: the volume and have this podcast. And for those of

55
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,880
Speaker 1: you that hadn't heard I have this podcast. Colin Coward

56
00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,640
Speaker 1: texted me, I think in two thousand eighteen with the

57
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,040
Speaker 1: idea of doing a podcast before you even had a network.

58
00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,600
Speaker 1: And I started the Three Out podcast in eighteen and

59
00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,120
Speaker 1: nineteen before the volume ever existed. And when I think great,

60
00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,960
Speaker 1: and I'm saying this because the volume now has Richard Sherman. Obviously,

61
00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,480
Speaker 1: the success of Draymond Green and his podcast and his

62
00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,000
Speaker 1: you Google Draymond Green on YouTube and the YouTube numbers

63
00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 1: he did for the volume, the overwhelming majority of CBS, ABC, NBC,

64
00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: the shows they have don't sniff those numbers. And when

65
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,840
Speaker 1: I think about Colin, to me, he's on the mount

66
00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,480
Speaker 1: Rushmore of sports talk radio people in the history of radio, right,

67
00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the two biggest cash cows in the history

68
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,440
Speaker 1: of radio are Howard Sterton and Rush Limball. Those are

69
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 1: the two guys that set the tone in the biggest

70
00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,840
Speaker 1: cash cows in the history of radio and sports talk.

71
00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,360
Speaker 1: To me, they're like four guys that really stand out.

72
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,360
Speaker 1: There is Jim Rome, There is Dan Patrick. I put

73
00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,320
Speaker 1: Mike and the Mad Dog together, and I put Colin,

74
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,360
Speaker 1: and I think Colin is kind of separated from that crew.

75
00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Like Dan Patrick created as Dan Patrick Show, left ESPN

76
00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,720
Speaker 1: and created his own show and it was entrepreneurs really successful.

77
00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,800
Speaker 1: But it's just him, Mike and the Magdog. Right, even

78
00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,840
Speaker 1: when they split up, Mike had his own radio show,

79
00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,599
Speaker 1: Mad Dog Got Paid Went to Serious, Right, was the

80
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,520
Speaker 1: like their version of Howard stern but obviously way smaller.

81
00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:37,320
Speaker 1: But for sports. Jim Rome incredible businessman, made a ton

82
00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,479
Speaker 1: office show, but really just made money for himself. Colin

83
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,200
Speaker 1: like those guys, super successful, super rich yet ire vividly

84
00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 1: remember being in the car driving home in the middle

85
00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,960
Speaker 1: of two thousand twenty. My brother calls me and goes, hey, bro, uh,

86
00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,640
Speaker 1: look at the prices right now to play Pebble, Beach,

87
00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,039
Speaker 1: spy Glass. All these courses in Monterey they are like

88
00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,240
Speaker 1: half off this like Pete Covid because those places, Pebble

89
00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,480
Speaker 1: they usually charged you know, four or five six dollars.

90
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,640
Speaker 1: Pebble charges like six, but spy Glass charges like three

91
00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,800
Speaker 1: fifty four. But there they get a lot of international travel.

92
00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,599
Speaker 1: Well in two twenty no one could internationally travel, so

93
00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 1: we have to play. I think we played spy Glass

94
00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,719
Speaker 1: like a hundred and fifty dollars. It was sweet. It

95
00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,080
Speaker 1: was awesome. And we're driving back and Colin calls me

96
00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm thinking of this idea. I've been

97
00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,760
Speaker 1: looking into it, and a little inside the volume, he's like,

98
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,800
Speaker 1: I was talking to Erica Nardini, who I think he's

99
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,560
Speaker 1: actually had on his podcast a year ago, who is

100
00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,279
Speaker 1: the CEO of bar Stool and Talking the Business a podcast,

101
00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 1: and I could just tell like he was fired up,

102
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,360
Speaker 1: he was inspired, he realized what it had and he wasn't.

103
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,400
Speaker 1: It was one thing to talk and then he's lived it.

104
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,240
Speaker 1: And again, like those other guys, he's already a multimillionaire.

105
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,599
Speaker 1: He's already super successful. He doesn't have to do any

106
00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,880
Speaker 1: of this. Those guys are not doing any of this.

107
00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,000
Speaker 1: Why they don't have to most people, especially once you

108
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,600
Speaker 1: get fifty sixty sixty five years old, and you accomplish

109
00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,720
Speaker 1: law in your career, that's kind of the time when

110
00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400
Speaker 1: you would joy your family, start traveling. Not saying he doesn't,

111
00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: but he has this idea, then he executes it and

112
00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 1: then it's shooting like a fucking rocket ship. And now

113
00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,480
Speaker 1: back to back. His two player podcasts are Draymond Green

114
00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,760
Speaker 1: and Richard Sherman. These are two guys and it just

115
00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,680
Speaker 1: shows you, like what I listen, I don't consider myself media.

116
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,760
Speaker 1: I know Draymond talks about new media. I'm just a

117
00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,919
Speaker 1: guy who tries to speak for other people because I

118
00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,320
Speaker 1: when I watch a lot of the media, I have

119
00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,760
Speaker 1: nothing in common with any of them. So I just

120
00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560
Speaker 1: tried to speak for us to watch games on our

121
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,560
Speaker 1: couch that like to have a good time over the weekend,

122
00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,039
Speaker 1: play a little golf, hang out with our significant others

123
00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,960
Speaker 1: or family, and just kind of chill. Like I tried

124
00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,560
Speaker 1: to speak for us, we're the majority. You know, Without us,

125
00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,840
Speaker 1: there is no pro sports. Uh, the media kind of

126
00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,240
Speaker 1: gets lost and convoluted. So I try to fill that role.

127
00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,560
Speaker 1: But Draymond and Richard every T n T s already

128
00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,240
Speaker 1: signing Draymond for when Charles Goes to Live and Richard

129
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,360
Speaker 1: Sherman has like these guys were sought after entities by

130
00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,080
Speaker 1: traditional media, yet they realize, like I can do way

131
00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,600
Speaker 1: more in this, and so did Colin two or three

132
00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 1: years ago. Now obviously other people did too, Built Emmons,

133
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120
Speaker 1: bar Stool, these guys were ahead of the curve. But

134
00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 1: like those guys had a lot to prove, Like what's

135
00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,400
Speaker 1: Colin trying to prove now? Just an incredible, incredible entrepreneurial

136
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 1: spirit for a guy that doesn't need to have it.

137
00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,280
Speaker 1: And I feel very, very lucky to be a part

138
00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,680
Speaker 1: of this. And it's just really cool when you see that, Like,

139
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,440
Speaker 1: how are you gonna top Draymond? Am I saying Richard's

140
00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna top Draymond, but you get Sure, you get Richard Sherman,

141
00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,640
Speaker 1: so you're you're two big playerbod guests are Draymond Green

142
00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,080
Speaker 1: and Richard Sherman. Like it's just incredible tip of my hat.

143
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,920
Speaker 1: I found out what everyone else did on on social media,

144
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,560
Speaker 1: and I was just like, damn, that's that's pretty badass.

145
00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,640
Speaker 1: And I've you know, got to know Sure a little

146
00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,280
Speaker 1: bit through d M and over the years, especially when

147
00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,240
Speaker 1: he played for the forty Niners and um, big big fan, uh,

148
00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,239
Speaker 1: total stud and just as a football player that there's

149
00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,560
Speaker 1: no human beings I respect more in the sport of

150
00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:58,280
Speaker 1: football cornerbacks that will tackle. And I think in my

151
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,520
Speaker 1: adult life the last couple of decades, I think Richard

152
00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Sherman is the best tackling cornerback. And potentially, you know,

153
00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,880
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you're older than me,

154
00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean, some of those guys in like the seventies

155
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,120
Speaker 1: and eighties, some of the corners were probably, but I

156
00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,920
Speaker 1: think he's one of the best of the model of

157
00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,280
Speaker 1: the salary cap era. I think you could say that

158
00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman might be the best tackling corner and obviously

159
00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,240
Speaker 1: it's a great corner in his prime, several time All

160
00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,720
Speaker 1: Pro Pro Bowl. I think he's a Hall of Famer,

161
00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,600
Speaker 1: but tackling and ultimately that speaks to one of the

162
00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,440
Speaker 1: toughest motherfucker's to ever play the position, especially in the

163
00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,640
Speaker 1: modern era. Uh, big big Sherman fan, and uh pretty

164
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,920
Speaker 1: cool for the big, big moment for the volume. Let's

165
00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,319
Speaker 1: be real, Draymond Green that now Richard Sherman thing, he's

166
00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,240
Speaker 1: going pretty well, you know, traditional you know, they've gotta

167
00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,800
Speaker 1: be a little ratuls you know. Also there's a timing element,

168
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,760
Speaker 1: like it's not all like I didn't create any of this.

169
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,840
Speaker 1: Colin liked me for whatever reason. It's worked out well.

170
00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,640
Speaker 1: Traditional radios dying and this has taken off. So uh,

171
00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,319
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool to be a part of this. I

172
00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,200
Speaker 1: have a couple of quick takeaways before we get into

173
00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:05,160
Speaker 1: the Camp Heyward interview on on Kyler Murray. First and foremost,

174
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640
Speaker 1: I think the best businesses and listen, there's always a

175
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,679
Speaker 1: time to be aggressive. The best people in most industries

176
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,360
Speaker 1: are aggressive, but there's a timing to that aggression. You

177
00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,360
Speaker 1: can't just be aggressive NonStop, right There is a time

178
00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,040
Speaker 1: and a place and through experience, you know, when to

179
00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,280
Speaker 1: put the pedal of the metal, get in the fast lane,

180
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes to chill. I think this two thousand twenty

181
00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,439
Speaker 1: one was a good example from a stock market perspective.

182
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,160
Speaker 1: Everyone was investing and people made some money, but a

183
00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,680
Speaker 1: lot of people weren't selling towards the peak. Right, They're

184
00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,880
Speaker 1: investing more, investing more, and then it gets cut in

185
00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,679
Speaker 1: half and a lot of people have lost the shipload

186
00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,880
Speaker 1: of money. And not everyone can afford to just sit

187
00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,480
Speaker 1: on their losses. Like some people that really really hurts,

188
00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,720
Speaker 1: and some people that have been in a long time

189
00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,720
Speaker 1: went like, once I double or triple my money, pigs

190
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,880
Speaker 1: get fed, hogs get slaughtered. I get out, I said

191
00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,520
Speaker 1: on the sideline the moment everyone's talking about it, that's

192
00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,440
Speaker 1: where I back off. And I saw Colin today and

193
00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,599
Speaker 1: I agree with them that where are you going to

194
00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,679
Speaker 1: find another Kyler Murray? And like Holmes, things always go up.

195
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,600
Speaker 1: Now I would disagree there because I was gonna buy

196
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,120
Speaker 1: a home last year and I was like, you know,

197
00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,160
Speaker 1: I just I have a hard time. Something that was

198
00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,679
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars a year ago is now one

199
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,640
Speaker 1: point six million dollars. This doesn't end up. I'm listening.

200
00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,200
Speaker 1: Could that house be worth three million dollars in two years? Sure,

201
00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 1: but I would historically if you just look at trends,

202
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,400
Speaker 1: that's not usually the way it works. And I've been

203
00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 1: proven right the last six months. Things are coming back

204
00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,840
Speaker 1: to earth, especially in the markets. I'm looking at halted

205
00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,720
Speaker 1: going down, and that's not the case necessarily. Quarterbacks. Contracts

206
00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,200
Speaker 1: always go up, but you don't have to buy. You

207
00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,160
Speaker 1: don't always have to pay for something, especially in a

208
00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:51,000
Speaker 1: football situation. When a guy is under contract. What was

209
00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,160
Speaker 1: the rush in paying him today? And at the time

210
00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,360
Speaker 1: of recording this, the number we see a hundred and

211
00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. Now a lot of that's gonna be

212
00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,200
Speaker 1: how much new money the fourth year contract, the fourth

213
00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,160
Speaker 1: year of his contract, the fifth year, which I don't

214
00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240
Speaker 1: even know what that number is probably well over thirty

215
00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,760
Speaker 1: million dollars that is going to be factored in. Who knows,

216
00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe they'll even factor in the franchise tag. But I

217
00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,760
Speaker 1: just don't understand why we couldn't play this out another year,

218
00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,400
Speaker 1: Like why did I have to do this right now?

219
00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,719
Speaker 1: Because based on the evidence I have, I go, you've

220
00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,360
Speaker 1: been a very talented player. I have never argued that

221
00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,240
Speaker 1: his arm strength, he's pretty accurate, he's mobile, he has

222
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,680
Speaker 1: a fantastic talent, little but a fantastic talent, and when

223
00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240
Speaker 1: he's on, he's exceptional. But I threw this out there

224
00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I have a philosophy when I'm gonna

225
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,560
Speaker 1: pay a premium and even if the number, let's say,

226
00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,839
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and the true numbers eighty

227
00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,240
Speaker 1: million guaranteed, this still stands. Whether they gave a hundred

228
00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,120
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed or whether it's actually a hundred and

229
00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,440
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. It's a ton of money, and it's

230
00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,880
Speaker 1: you are committing to him for several more years than

231
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 1: you have to. I would. My philosophical belief in prose

232
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,040
Speaker 1: sports is I want to pay premiums for guys that

233
00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,920
Speaker 1: can handle and thrive and rise to the occasion when

234
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,640
Speaker 1: ship hits the fan, when things go wrong, Because most

235
00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,360
Speaker 1: guys at the highest level can play really good in

236
00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,680
Speaker 1: all the sports when things are going well. When you're

237
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,520
Speaker 1: on you know, a seven game winning streak in baseball

238
00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,760
Speaker 1: and you have five home runs over that period of time.

239
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480
Speaker 1: When you're in basketball and your team's won ten straight games,

240
00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,520
Speaker 1: your averaging points and everyone's feeling you. When you're a

241
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,240
Speaker 1: quarterback and you guys go on a four game win

242
00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,840
Speaker 1: streak and over those four games you throw fifteen touchdowns,

243
00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,240
Speaker 1: you run for a couple more, you're the player of

244
00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,679
Speaker 1: the month. Everyone's on their knees gargling. It's like, oh yeah,

245
00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,920
Speaker 1: how about when you lose three games and your star

246
00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,559
Speaker 1: right tackle tears a c l and everyone, because you're

247
00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,560
Speaker 1: the star, says you're playing like shit, how's it going?

248
00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,079
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? How are you gonna carry

249
00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,160
Speaker 1: this team? Do you do you thrise the occasion? Do

250
00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,520
Speaker 1: do you crumble like a cookie? Do do you melt

251
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,440
Speaker 1: like ice? Under of the hundred degrees? Son? And I

252
00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,040
Speaker 1: think we've seen and I have a good I've had

253
00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,400
Speaker 1: a front row seat for the forty niners, and last

254
00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,880
Speaker 1: year Ship was hitting the fan. It was weird. Guys

255
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,760
Speaker 1: were injured, and I watched guys like Nick Bosa and

256
00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,880
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel become absolute war daddies and play their best

257
00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,160
Speaker 1: football when Ship was not going well, win or loose,

258
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,360
Speaker 1: not They weren't winning all the games, but just laying

259
00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,680
Speaker 1: it on the line, never pounding, never complaining. And you

260
00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,240
Speaker 1: see it with countless players all around the league that

261
00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 1: just keep throwing haymakers. I think a great example is

262
00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,960
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, who last year had a longer body of

263
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,839
Speaker 1: work than Kyler Murray, but because of a situation, we went, well,

264
00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,800
Speaker 1: how good is he plays for Detroit? Can you win

265
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 1: with him? Does he have a bunch of bad habits?

266
00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,040
Speaker 1: We know he's talented, physical freak number one overall. Pick

267
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,520
Speaker 1: what's he got? How's he gonna handle the pressure? And

268
00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 1: it was up and down, it was if you want

269
00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,880
Speaker 1: he had that stretcher. He was throwing all those picks.

270
00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,920
Speaker 1: He was turning the ball overs, but clearly internally and

271
00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,560
Speaker 1: Wentworth hit on this. He never flinched. He handled himself

272
00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640
Speaker 1: like a pro. He answered the bell every single time.

273
00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 1: And then once they lost that week a team game

274
00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,920
Speaker 1: to the forty niners, he had an elite stretch in

275
00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs and was awesome. So he handled the Rockies

276
00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,080
Speaker 1: tide pretty well. He's out there. It was like, God,

277
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,000
Speaker 1: is Matt Stafford gonna screw this thing up? Or they're

278
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,200
Speaker 1: not gonna win the division? What's going on? They end

279
00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,880
Speaker 1: up winning the division? A ton of pressure. How's Matt

280
00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,400
Speaker 1: Stafford gonna for the first time ever, not just making

281
00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs school, you gotta win playoff games. We traded

282
00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,720
Speaker 1: for you to try to win the super Bowl. And

283
00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,680
Speaker 1: then he's awesome and they win the super Bowl. It's like,

284
00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,400
Speaker 1: I give him an extension to longer body of work.

285
00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,600
Speaker 1: I've seen him when the lights are the brightest, handle

286
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,880
Speaker 1: himself like a pro, handle adversity and then answered the

287
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,680
Speaker 1: bell and execute. Because ultimately, I saw Mike Tomlin say

288
00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,880
Speaker 1: this on UH say this on the Pivot podcast, was like,

289
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,720
Speaker 1: the business is winning. That's the business we're in. The

290
00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,360
Speaker 1: sport is football, but the business is winning. That's the

291
00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,080
Speaker 1: name of the game here. And we saw Kyler Murray

292
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,880
Speaker 1: have the most embarrassing playoff game we've ever seen, and

293
00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,680
Speaker 1: then immediately he demanded to get paid. And he's not

294
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,200
Speaker 1: the first and he won't be the last guy to

295
00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,200
Speaker 1: demand to get paid. Some guys, though, Dak Prescott, for example,

296
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,640
Speaker 1: and I've saw a lot of this on social media

297
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,960
Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott's contract has aged better. Bullshit. I don't

298
00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,040
Speaker 1: like paying Dak Prescott forty million dollars, but Dak Prescott

299
00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,480
Speaker 1: the human being when times are great, when times are bad,

300
00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,240
Speaker 1: he's very very even keel. I know exactly what I'm getting.

301
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,600
Speaker 1: He's not gonna pout, He'll give everything he has. He

302
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,280
Speaker 1: has physical limitations, he does not have the arm Kyler has,

303
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,480
Speaker 1: but I know that will lay it on the line

304
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,160
Speaker 1: for me. No one will ever go did Dak mail

305
00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 1: that ship in? No one will ever say that, because

306
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,720
Speaker 1: we have a long body of evidence that he's never

307
00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,800
Speaker 1: done that. Getting back to back years, people the season

308
00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,000
Speaker 1: ended went like, was what was Kyler's deal there? What

309
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,080
Speaker 1: was no one's ever argued his arm, strength, his speed,

310
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,520
Speaker 1: his physical attributes, not a soul. But there's more than

311
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,480
Speaker 1: that at quarterback? What what's cowards thing? Being Quarterbackio? It's

312
00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,640
Speaker 1: like presidential which I even think like being a politician,

313
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,000
Speaker 1: Like if you don't think at this point in time

314
00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,400
Speaker 1: they're all kind of frauds, I can't help you. I

315
00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,520
Speaker 1: still think it matters, Like I don't think it matters

316
00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,280
Speaker 1: as a politician. I think it's all bullshit. It matters

317
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,480
Speaker 1: at quarterback how you act, how you conduct yourself, because

318
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,640
Speaker 1: all the best guys kind of conduct themselves like pros.

319
00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 1: And let's use an example Aaron Rodgers. Last year, things

320
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,920
Speaker 1: got a little weird him and Gouda Kins. He demanded

321
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,040
Speaker 1: to trade on draft night. You're like, God, Rodgers falling

322
00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 1: off the deep end. Well, what happened? Training camp came

323
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,080
Speaker 1: and part of people are like, he just wants to

324
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,960
Speaker 1: get paid. He didn't get a contract extension, tabled it right,

325
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,920
Speaker 1: acted like a pro answer. The bell won the m

326
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,080
Speaker 1: v P, and his body of work was long. We

327
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 1: already know how future Hall of Famer like. It felt

328
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,840
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray NBA style force their hand and they

329
00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,880
Speaker 1: capitulated and they gave in. Now you could argue, well,

330
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,960
Speaker 1: they're all in on Cliff Kingsbury, you might as well

331
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040
Speaker 1: be all in on Kyler. I just think that is

332
00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,520
Speaker 1: not the way to run a franchise, and I'm shorten them.

333
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160
Speaker 1: I do not think they're gonna make the payoffs this year. Uh.

334
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,800
Speaker 1: You can say, well, they just get him in a

335
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,240
Speaker 1: better headspace. That's fine. I don't think he's a sustainable player,

336
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,840
Speaker 1: and maybe I would have been proven wrong. But if

337
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,120
Speaker 1: I was the Cardinals, I would have let it play out.

338
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,600
Speaker 1: He's not Dak Prescott played a season on the franchise tag,

339
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not even saying to get there with Kyler.

340
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,800
Speaker 1: How about just seeing another season of you acting like

341
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,959
Speaker 1: a pro of you improving as a leader, of you

342
00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,760
Speaker 1: leading us to the playoffs, of you maybe trying in

343
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,800
Speaker 1: a playoff game. I don't know, but that's not the

344
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,400
Speaker 1: way the Cardinals handled their business. And you would say

345
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 1: historically under the Bidwell family umbrella, that's why the Cardinals

346
00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720
Speaker 1: have mostly been pretty shitty. Now, I'm not acting like

347
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,919
Speaker 1: they are a joke franchise. I think Steve kind they

348
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent on their team. They're not.

349
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't view them as some like loser franchise. But

350
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,240
Speaker 1: that's I thought kind of a loser move. I thought

351
00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,480
Speaker 1: it was an unneeded move. What what's well, he would

352
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,400
Speaker 1: come to he's not gonna show up, Well, then you'd

353
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 1: learn everything you need to know. He's gonna show up

354
00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 1: to training camp and pout, Well, then you're gonna learn

355
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,320
Speaker 1: anything you need to know. That's not the type of

356
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,199
Speaker 1: guy you want, because what do they tell you that

357
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,439
Speaker 1: your true colors and who you really are are actually

358
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,160
Speaker 1: usually exposed with money Once I pay you, the true

359
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 1: self comes out. I would be a little nervous if

360
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,000
Speaker 1: everyone involved with the Arizona Cardinals and I just again,

361
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 1: I get back to over and over what was the rush.

362
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm not disputing. If you won the m v P

363
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 1: this year, it goes up a little bit. Who cares

364
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,640
Speaker 1: at least then you know? At least then you know

365
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520
Speaker 1: when the chief game mahomes all that money he had

366
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,080
Speaker 1: won the m v P and he let him do

367
00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,520
Speaker 1: a super Bowl that had happened. When Matt Stafford just

368
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,560
Speaker 1: got a huge extension, they want to sup both him

369
00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,080
Speaker 1: as their quarterback. When Aaron Rodgers got a hundred fifty

370
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 1: million dollars, he was back to back m v P

371
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 1: gets along with the coach. This guy just got up again.

372
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't truly know the money. Time will tell when

373
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 1: you're listening to this have the worst playoff game we've

374
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,359
Speaker 1: ever seen, and was pretty terrible down the stretch. And

375
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 1: the previous year when they look like a lot to

376
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,720
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, they missed the playoffs. And here's the

377
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 1: other element from just a true football standpoint, he's small,

378
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: and being small doesn't dictate your success or not. We've

379
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 1: seen small players go to the Hall of Fame be

380
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,919
Speaker 1: great players. Russell Wilson is a great example. Hall of

381
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: Fame level quarterback. Russell Wilson has built completely different Now

382
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 1: we can argue he's gotta get a little big this offseason.

383
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: But Russell's naturally thick and he's been healthy. The first

384
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 1: time that Matt finger whatever was the first injury. God,

385
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 1: there's a chicken Russell's armor. Right, He's injured and he

386
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 1: missed a couple of games. Kailer now has been hurt

387
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 1: back to back seasons. Two years ago was the Seattle

388
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 1: game he got slammed. Never the same last year he

389
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: got banged up, miss some games, right, Colt McCoy came in.

390
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 1: They actually split up the Niners. But like he's been

391
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,919
Speaker 1: hurt now, well, it's not that crazy. He's a small

392
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: little player. So you're going all in and listen, you

393
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: do when you draft a guy number one overall, but

394
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: part of drafting them in the first round is having

395
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 1: the fifth year option and having some time. Mine and

396
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: the Cardinals just felt like, what Kyler is gonna show

397
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 1: up and be very angry and be mad and pouty.

398
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a reflection of who this guy is like?

399
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that kind of show his true colors? Then? Why

400
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just let it play out a little bit? Hell,

401
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: maybe even let it play out into the season, be like, listen,

402
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: you start fast, you're having a good season, will extend

403
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: you in the middle of October. You had to do

404
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: it July one. I just I don't understand it. I

405
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: mean again, and I I root for people to get paid.

406
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't care, like it doesn't matter to me. Kyler, Murray,

407
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: contrac whatever. Get as much money as you can. But

408
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: we're talking the business of football, where there's a salary

409
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 1: cap and how much you get paid impacts the success

410
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 1: of your team. And in football, we teams matter. They're

411
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 1: the health of the league. And some teams run their

412
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: business well. Some teams do not. And we have a

413
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the Rams are kind of feeling themselves.

414
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: They extended two guys really early and heavily backfired Todd

415
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: Gurley Jared Goff. Now I'm not comparing Kyler to Jared Goff.

416
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 1: He's much more talented. Now, I'm not comparing. Obviously Todd

417
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: plays a different position. But immediately we realized those were

418
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: bad contracts, and I just I had this whole situation

419
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: red flagged. Um. I just I don't think it's sustainable.

420
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a sustainable player. I could be

421
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: proven wrong. If I was the Arizona Cardinals, I would

422
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: have let him prove me wrong. Let's dive into cam

423
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: Heyward big news. Fan Duel has an all new mobile

424
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: gaming app. Fan Duel face Off is where you compete

425
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: quick fun games against other real people for real cash.

426
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: Has all sorts of games you're familiar with, like a

427
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: home run, Derby, Wheel of Fortune, puzzle strategy games and more.

428
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: Contests are action packed last between two and five minutes.

429
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: You can plan your couch waiting in line during a

430
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: commercial break whenever on your schedule. Practice for free anytime

431
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: that's cool, whether it's had to head, multiplayer, large turn,

432
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: it's fan Duel face Off something for you. Plus, in

433
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: most games you're gonna be matched against peeps of similar

434
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: skill levels. You're not totally overmatched even as a beginner.

435
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: Face Off also tied to your FanDuel account and wallet,

436
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: so you can easily use your daily fantasy funds or

437
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: sports books winnings in the apps. Please download the FanDuel

438
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Face Off app and compete in a few non cash

439
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: contests fandel dot com. Always use the code colin download

440
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: the FanDuel face Off app. Getting the game from Cringing

441
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: at the pump to getting an eye opening check at

442
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: your favorite restaurant. Inflation is hitting us all. Trust me,

443
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: I know, and it really hurts. That's why I started

444
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: using Upside. Upside is an incredible app for anyone who

445
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: buys gas, groceries, or dines out. With every purchase, I'm

446
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: earning hashback thanks to Upside. It's really easy. You just

447
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: download the app, go to your app store, download the

448
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: Upside app, and when you go get gas where I

449
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: live in California, it's the most expensive in the country.

450
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: You upload your receipt or check in on the app.

451
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: Very easy to do, and then you earn cash back

452
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: every time you use it. I can't recommend it enough,

453
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: especially during these inflationary times. This app was made for

454
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: two two So once you claim an offer for whatever

455
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: you're buying on Upside, check in at the business page

456
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: usual with a credit card, and you get paid with

457
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: real cash. Download the free Upside app and use the

458
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: promo code three and out to get five dollars or

459
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: more cash back on your first purchase of ten or

460
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: more dollars. That's five dollars or more cash back on

461
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: your first purchase of ten or more using the promo

462
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: code number three and d out. That's promo code three

463
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: and out. It's my pleasure to uh to bring on

464
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: all pro. You know, I would say defensive tackle, but

465
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: I'll say defensive lineman. Several time pro bowler. I don't

466
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: think he's ever. He doesn't know what losing is. He's

467
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: only played for Ohio Satan and Pittsburgh's entire career. Cam, Heyward,

468
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: what's going on? Bro? What's up? Appreciate you having me.

469
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: Thank you for the introduction as well. No problem, man,

470
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: how's uh? How summer going with? What the hell you

471
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: been up to? Uh? Trying to do a podcast? Uh?

472
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: You know we used the same producer and James is

473
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: always cracking down him and giving me hell uh. And

474
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: then just try and take care of kids and um,

475
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: trying to get better in my craft. You know, those

476
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: are the three things going on, and man, they take

477
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: up a lot of my day. How many kids you

478
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: have got? Three? Six and two? My oldest is a boy?

479
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: You're you are a man on the move. Well, I

480
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: saw you talking to Mac Coffee about diet and obviously

481
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, Hell, I'm smaller than you, but once you

482
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: get I'm a couple of years older than you. Once

483
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: you hit a certain age, you know, diet, you know

484
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: it's very very impactful, right and uh, the off season

485
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: for a guy like you with working out, how how

486
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: do you balance working out in food and stay in

487
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: focus when basically you get forty days off till the

488
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: season starts. Man, Um, your diet is everything, especially right

489
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: before the season and during the season. Um, you know,

490
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: you really care about what's going in your body. I

491
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: feel like the only time they really cheat on food

492
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: is you know, right at the end of the off

493
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: season where I'm just like, you know, depressed and um,

494
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: piste off. We didn't go further in the season, but

495
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: you know now it's just, um, you care about what

496
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: you eat, and um, I just gotta take care of

497
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: your body. I don't like to do these fad diets,

498
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: but man, you just try to continue to just put

499
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: good things in your body, have good protein, and uh,

500
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: stay basically boring with your meals. Well, it's one thing

501
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: like if you're just a single dude, you know, in

502
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: your twenties eating healthy, get you know, you have kids,

503
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: so I'm sure you've got crap all over the place.

504
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: You're always taking them by McDonald's or whatever. Like is that?

505
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be a test on any man.

506
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: Bro Well, Like I like look back at like as

507
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: a kid, and I'm like, like I had playing McDonald's

508
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: growing up. Like my wife does a great job. She

509
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: won't even let them get McDonald's anymore. And I'm like,

510
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: I have to have like meals prepared because if I

511
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: get anywhere close to their food I'm just gonna dive

512
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: right into the pantry and you know, go ham. But

513
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: um my wife's always like, why don't you just eat

514
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: our food? I'm like, because that's a little bit more

515
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: unhealthy and I need to, you know, watch what I

516
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: eat before I blow up. As an older guy, I mean,

517
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: you're a veteran now in the league. Do you for

518
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: your training, especially lifting, because I mean you do work

519
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: in the trenches, you lift as hard as you once did.

520
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: Is it a lot different? Is it more just maintaining

521
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: year round or do you go heavy and then once

522
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: the season hits to you you sustaining, Like how does

523
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: that work? As you've aged? You know, it's crazy. Um

524
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: as I was when I was younger, I used to

525
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: always go to these fancy places and you know, have

526
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: like everything catered to you where it was. You know,

527
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: this is what they specialized. Um. I think in the

528
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: last four years I found a trainer who does an

529
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: amazing job here. Used to train Paul Plauz, Lusnie and

530
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Um, and he's trained a lot of other guys.

531
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: But um, everything is just what I need at the time,

532
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 1: you know. You know, the great thing about me is

533
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: I haven't been injured a lot, so I've been able

534
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: to keep you know, pushing my limits get stronger. Um.

535
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: But there are times I need to you know, scale

536
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: back and uh determine what my body's needs, and I've

537
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: been able to. You know, the Steelers have allowed me

538
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: to just keep up that during the season with my trainer,

539
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: and it's just benefited me. Um. Obviously I like to

540
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: work out with you know, the guys in the facility,

541
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: but my trainer has done a great job of, you know,

542
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: making sure I was able to continue to keep keep

543
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: getting better. And if I'm hurt, we address that and

544
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: make sure that it doesn't become an issue once the

545
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: season ends. You know, you talk about a football guy.

546
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean you come from a football family. Your dad

547
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: played in the league and your brother. I didn't even

548
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: realize this was just drafted by the Steelers. UM, Michigan State. Uh.

549
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Color that we'll get into that. That's pretty cool. When

550
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the season end, you guys get you know, losing the

551
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs. How much time do you

552
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: just get away from football? Oh? Well, I wanted to

553
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: get away right after that game, but I had the

554
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl coming up. Um, And so we went from

555
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and then I had some stuff to do

556
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: with Super Bowl. UM. And surprisingly right after that, UM,

557
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't really disappear from working out. I feel like

558
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I got right back into it right to the season. UM.

559
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: You know, just trying to continue to craft craft and

560
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: get better. UM. Usually in the past, I've took him

561
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: about a month off. I'm just trying to disappear with

562
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: the family for a little bit. UM. But man, I've been.

563
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't stopped and hopefully, Uh that's

564
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: a good thing. What's funny is for the Steelers going

565
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: into the draft, just because the talk of the drafting

566
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback really high and at the time, I'm sure you,

567
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: just like all of us, unless Tomlin Colbert were giving

568
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: you the good inside information. It's like Malik Willis, Malik

569
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Willis Malik willis talking quarterback and you guys end up

570
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback and when the draft ends, I mean

571
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about that, but for

572
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: you personally, your brother gets drafted on the team, Like,

573
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how cool? How cool was that moment? Oh?

574
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: If I could go through that moment, that moment was

575
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: insane because uh, what was the day three? So the

576
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: first two days we knew he was gonna drafting first day,

577
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: the second day is second and third, and we thought, okay,

578
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: maybe third he might have a chance. UM, and then

579
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about either he was like, you know, day

580
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: three's are sweet spot. You know Day three, um, fourth

581
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: and fifth round and you just never know. UM. And

582
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: so he's getting calls from different teams and you know,

583
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know if they're interested or they're

584
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: interested in me being an undrafted rookie, and then they,

585
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, call and sign me. So he's going through

586
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: that and I can just watch him. He's like like

587
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: the competitor inside my brother. He was so like ticked

588
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: off that, like he's watching guys and it's like I'm

589
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: better than him, and I know I'm better than him.

590
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't do that. You just gotta focus.

591
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: You gotta understand that, like you know, team see other

592
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: things differently. Wherever you end up, that's where you make

593
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: your mark um. And then you know he like stormed

594
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: off one time, and this time, like my mom's or

595
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: my brothers are like, go check on him, just to

596
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: make sure he's okay. And then I go in the

597
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: room and the phone rings and I don't know who

598
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: it is and I look at the screen and it

599
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: has the Bears up and it says it picks in

600
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, he's going to the Bears. That's

601
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: really cool. And then he gives me this like sort

602
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: of like little smirk where it's like like you don't

603
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: need to know who's I met to enter this call.

604
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is it Chicago? He's like, no, it

605
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: wasn't Chicago. And I'm like, who was it? And he

606
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, and I asked him who was it?

607
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: He just walks away and he says hold on and

608
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: then he goes into the family room and you know,

609
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: he has us all waiting, and I'm like, okay, and

610
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: then I see, oh, Pittsburgh's nest and I'm like he

611
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: would have told me by then if you got drafted

612
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: to my team. And then I had to watch it

613
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: come across the clicker and I'm like, this, dude, he

614
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: could have just literally told me. And then my T

615
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: called me and you know, told me. He was like,

616
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: we got him. He was like, I didn't think he

617
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be there in the sixth round. Uh, but

618
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: we got him. And I was like, my T, I

619
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: appreciate this, um, but I'm not gonna let you down.

620
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Like you know, this is my little brother. I'm gonna

621
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: make sure you know he lives up to everything. And

622
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I already knew he was gonna

623
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: do that, so you know, I'm drafting because you know

624
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: of the player he is not because he's your brother.

625
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, So it's been surreal. And like

626
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: my mom had already disappeared from that moment because she

627
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: was already so nervous, so like she was outside the

628
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: house and like when she came back, we were all celebrated.

629
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: She was like, where's he going and we were like,

630
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: he's coming to Pittsburgh and she broke out in tears

631
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: right there. So you know, we were very fortunate. Um,

632
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't really end up that way most of the time.

633
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: But uh, it's crazy to think about had they whether

634
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: it be an assistant coach, coach Tomlin Colbert, any of

635
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: his people, had they brought him up to you leading

636
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: up to the draft when you just had the facility

637
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: working out or any of that. So like, they never

638
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: brought him up specifically, like leading up to the draft.

639
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: It was always like, um, they would watch, the scouts

640
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: would watch, and I would watch individually during the season

641
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: and he said, did you watch Connor? You know? Um,

642
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: and we would always exchange like what we thought, you

643
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: know what he was good at, what was at But

644
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: they kept me out of loot for a lot of it,

645
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, I like it that way because

646
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to have a say on anything. I

647
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: know the scouts there do an amazing job. So um

648
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: they did right this time. Yeah, I'd say, you're part

649
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: of the team is pretty good at drafting. Uh. You

650
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: know what's funny is I was a graduate assistant Fresno State.

651
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Would have been probably when you were playing at in

652
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and uh, I don't know if he specifically

653
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: did the West coast, but me and Joe Green would come.

654
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: I think he scouted a lot of colleges and he

655
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: came five both years. And I remember one year he

656
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: lost his own and it was lost, and I just

657
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: remember it was my job to find me and Joe

658
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Green's phone, and I ended up finding it and he

659
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: shook my hand. I'm sure you got big hands. This

660
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: guy has to have the biggest hands I've ever shook

661
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: in my entire life. Yes, yes, I remember when I

662
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: got drafted and I went in and me and Joe

663
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: was there, and he literally engulfed my hand and I

664
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I've never felt like this, like intimidated

665
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: off the field before in my life. And so you know,

666
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: me and me and Joe and knowing who me and

667
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Joe is before then, um, it was he was one

668
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: of my heroes. You know, he's a hero in Pittsburgh.

669
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: And getting the meet um for the first time in person, UM,

670
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: welcome me to be a Steeler. Um. I was excited.

671
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: But man, when you see his hands, they just they're humongous.

672
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: They take up like if they were on the screen,

673
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: they take up the entire screen. It's it's it's wild.

674
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Back your brother for a second, because you guys, obviously

675
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: there's a big ga in age, So it's not like,

676
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, one was a sophomore and one was a senior,

677
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: you would have played together. You know, even the boast

678
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: of brothers are somewhat closer in age had to be

679
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: a little surreal. Just I know, you guys haven't, like

680
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: the pads haven't come on. But just being in the

681
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: same locker room as him, seeing him walk around and

682
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: put on a Pittsburgh Steeler jersey, I mean that's pretty crazy.

683
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: It's really weird because like he's been in our locker

684
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: room multiple times just as a guest of mine, um,

685
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: and like I've given him, like you know, Steeler crap before,

686
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: but like now he has his own Steeler stuff. Like

687
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: he's able to go out through the field and not

688
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: just stay on the sideline. And you know, I have

689
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: to there's certain times where I'm like, I cannot just

690
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: be his brother. I have to be his teammate. And uh,

691
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: usually I talk a lot of crap to my teammates.

692
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: I talk, I'll talk a lot more when you're my brother,

693
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and I make sure I make sure you know that,

694
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: like you got a lot to live up to, so

695
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: you better I let me down or my dad down.

696
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: So you know, he knows that and he'll be better

697
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: because of it. You know, it's funny. I'm in the

698
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Bay Area right now and about probably fifteen mini fifteen

699
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: minutes away from me is Antioch. We're Naji grew up

700
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: and played high school football, and it's we'll get into

701
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: college recruiting a little bit later, because you know, you

702
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: went from you know, played for high school football in Georgia,

703
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: but ended up at Ohio State, which I don't know

704
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: if Georgia would let you out of the state nowadays,

705
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, they curb all over you. But not the

706
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: same thing with you know, Naji. When I was in college,

707
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll never would have let him get out of

708
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: the state. He would have been at USC, but he

709
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: ends up in Alabama. Comes to you, guys. I was

710
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: watching uh Tomlin talk with Ryan Clark on his podcast

711
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: with those guys, and he talked about the Christmas tree story.

712
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: How Naji, you know, just didn't have anything, and he

713
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of went to you obviously, as you know, the

714
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: team leader, the captain, the guy that runs the show,

715
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: and you got him a Christmas tree. But it was

716
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: really one thing he talked about this offseason and just

717
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: moving forward is your ability to kind of like teach

718
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: him the way to be the leader of the squad

719
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: one day, because ultimately, you know, obviously he's a fantastic player,

720
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: but just in terms of the person, your interactions with him, one,

721
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: what what you thought about him when you first met him,

722
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: and just kind of the time you've spent with him

723
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: since trying to give him the Pittsburgh Steeler away. Yeah,

724
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think Naji is one of the more

725
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: ultimate football people because he just loves football, like he

726
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: wants to be great at it. And you see the

727
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: way he competes and it's a it's a gift and

728
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the curse, like he wants to be a part of everything.

729
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: But Naji can't do everything. And you know, we've always

730
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: been hard on Naji because he's arting himself because the

731
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: sky's limit. Like I think one day he's going to

732
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: be the top running back in this league. Um. And

733
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: you know he can shoulder a team and offense. Um.

734
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: And we just have lofty goal for him, like when

735
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: he first got here. Um, you know, everybody likes to

736
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, his big legs, but man, the

737
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: dudes a workhorse, like he comes to practice, wants to practice,

738
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: wants to get better. Um, and that's I think that

739
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: comes from like the Alabama side. Um. But he's also

740
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: a big kid as well, and so we uh, we

741
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: got to talk and then, UM, you understand that you know,

742
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Nazi has got some growing to do, but the way

743
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: he goes about his business and just wants to get better,

744
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, you see where he could you know,

745
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: potentially leave one day. Um. And I think Naji only

746
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: understands football because you know that's a safe haven. And

747
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: the point of me getting the Christmas tree was you

748
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: gotta be a human as well. You gotta you know,

749
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: you can't just think football, football, football and not you know,

750
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: live because things will pass you by and you won't

751
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: be able to enjoy, you know, the fruits of your labor. Um.

752
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: I think for me, I just wanted to give him

753
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree to just let him open up, let

754
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: them know that it's Christmas, enjoy the time with your family. Um.

755
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if you ever had in a

756
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: Christmas tree before, so I wanted to make sure I

757
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: did that. Um. Going forward, as as a leader of

758
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: this team, I feel like Naji has got to be

759
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: the guy on offense. Um, you know, they're gonna be

760
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: given the rock a lot more and a lot of

761
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot more often. So he's got to be willing

762
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: to not only let his play uh speak, but he's

763
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: got to speak as well. Um. Because you've had Ben

764
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger so long, this is a great opportunity for Naji

765
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: Harris to be the catalyst for everybody on offense. Um.

766
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: There's so many moving a parts, so many new positions

767
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: we have, but Naji should be the staple. Naji should

768
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: be the guy that uh, you know coach t R

769
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: refers to as the straw that stirs to drink and

770
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: Naji Naji's gott be that way on offense. Did practice

771
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: feel different this spring without Roethlisberg. Uh, practice didn't feel different.

772
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, we've gotten so used to

773
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: having been back there and uh kinning around and like Ben,

774
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: could you know, uh do some things that were different

775
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: where we'll let him extend to play. Um, but we're

776
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: not letting these rookies extend plays because they're not Ben Roethlisberger.

777
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Uh in new guys. But um, it thought a little different,

778
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: but not much. How do you balance as one of

779
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: the lead dugs on the squad of you know, obviously

780
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: you have you know, you signed Trabisky, but then you

781
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: also draft a quarterback high. I mean that position is

782
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: it's hard, right because only one guy gets to play

783
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: on like d line mean or wide receivers where everyone

784
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: gets to rotate. And he's kind of got to be

785
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: the leader. But you know who totally knows. We'll see

786
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: what plays out in training camp of just kind of

787
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: you just embrace them both, or isn't one of those

788
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: things you just kind of let it play? How do

789
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: you attack that personally? All the above, I think you

790
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: embrace them both, or embrace everybody. Um, But I think

791
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: you go in saying this is Mr bisically spot to lose. Um,

792
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: he should be given the reins. Um he's had success.

793
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: You know, everybody likes to talk about what Mitch did wrong,

794
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: but he took the Chicago Bears to the playoffs. UM.

795
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I think he's got a better surrounding cast.

796
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: I think, um, we can help you know him so

797
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to drive the whole field. UM. And

798
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: then from Kenny and Mason's point of view, UM, they

799
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: should be vying for that spot. This is the perfect

800
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: opportunity for that. Um, you know, competition breeds uh success,

801
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: and I think everybody's gonna be vying for the spot.

802
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: If the guy behind me is not trying to vide

803
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: for my spot, um, shame on him. But all three guys, Um, Kenny, Mason,

804
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: and Mitch should be vying for the number one spot.

805
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: You know they're my team mates. But man, we're going

806
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: to compete to make sure we have the best group

807
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: out there. Uh. That starts September. One of my worst

808
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: takes of all time was when Roethlisberger tears his arm

809
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: baseball style gets Tommy John You guys make the trade

810
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: for Manca Fitzpatrick's first round pick. I'm like, this is insane.

811
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: You know you guys, you guys can be drafting the

812
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: top five. Mika is a good player, but what are

813
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: you doing? Not only does me get there, he be

814
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: he was already good, but he was incredible once he

815
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: got there. You guys don't lose because you never lose,

816
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: and you were it's not that big a deal when

817
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: that trade happened. What was your first what was your thought?

818
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: And then once you started playing with them, how fast

819
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: did you realize? Like, holy ship, this guy is good.

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh well, like I've um talked to Kevin Colber about

821
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: this many times. Um. When he did that trade for Manca, Uh,

822
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: it's solidified that we weren't throwing away the season. Um.

823
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: And we were in that game in San Francisco the

824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: week make a tame Minco didn't even know the entire playbook.

825
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: But when Minka got out there, I think he caused

826
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: the fumble, uh, and then had an interception and was

827
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: just making plays. And I went to Kevin in the

828
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: middle of that game, I was like, I appreciate you

829
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: doing that. We needed that. Um. But you know, I

830
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: think when you have a guy like Manka, man, he

831
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity. And um, we have a lot

832
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: of good players and we know we knew Ben was

833
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: hurt and now for the season, but man, we were

834
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: not ready to throw away the season. UM. And you

835
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: know that it just lets it kind of gave us

836
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: that confidence like we don't care who's that quarterback, we

837
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: still compete. It's funny how a guy can go from

838
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: being someone's brother, like your brother is gonna be Cam's

839
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: brother until he, you know, has a nine touchdown season,

840
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he becomes his own guy. Well,

841
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: it's like j. J. Watt one of the best players

842
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: in the league. His brothers come into the league. At

843
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: first t J Watt again, it's just a J brother

844
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: and then that quickly changes, like, no, he's just t J.

845
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Watt now. But last year. You know one thing that

846
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: used to happen. It probably happened a little bit when

847
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: you first came into league. It happened a lot like

848
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: when your dad was playing in the eighties and nineties

849
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: and probably the early two thousands up to like Revus

850
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: days where the holdouts. Now this new thing is to

851
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: hold in and you're you know, people practice in high school,

852
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: college and the NFL doesn't change that much in terms

853
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: of individual group. So you're spending time with your defensive

854
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: lineman and t J just standing there. Obviously it's the

855
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: elephant in the room. He's probably he's not going anywhere,

856
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: But was there? What was that like? The hold in?

857
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: Just see just standing there looking at you guys when

858
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: you're taking all the reps. Well, I'll say this, as

859
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: much as it was a hold in, t J did

860
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: a great job of being professional about it. Um, you know,

861
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: he let everything takes its course. But they didn't stop

862
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: stop him from training. Um. It may have looked like

863
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: he was standing on the sideline, but the dude was

864
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: doing passionates drills by himself of running on the sideline,

865
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: making sure he was in good shape because he didn't

866
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: want it to be detrimental to the team. UM and

867
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I commend him like for that. Uh. These hold ends

868
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: are different um per the c b A. Uh. It

869
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: prevents guys from holding out because now you get fine

870
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: and you can't get that money back. Um, but a

871
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: hold in it shows that you want to be there.

872
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: You're taking part of meetings. But I have to be

873
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: smart about my future and what's going on. Uh. And

874
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a good responsible way to

875
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: approach the situations. Now, the TJ really barge into to

876
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: the Rooney's office and uh, you do the deal himself

877
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: at the end of that A story that took on

878
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: a life of its own. I don't know. Uh, I

879
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he barged in. Uh. You know, I

880
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: know he probably had the clear with us Mr Rooney

881
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: secretary or something, but I don't I don't know. Um,

882
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: it might have taken on a different story, but uh, man,

883
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: it will be revered as one of those legends that

884
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: happened where it was like the deal done, let's get

885
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: a sign. But uh, you know, I think we were

886
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: all happy for him to get done because, um, you

887
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: know t J has earned it, Um, Minka has earned it. Uh,

888
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and we understand the players they are uh, and this

889
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: was just um validating that because we've seen what they've

890
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: done weekend and week out. Uh, they need to be

891
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: paid like they're the top of their positions. I think

892
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: my favorite Steeler story over the last decade, it's funnier

893
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: now that it probably wasn't the time, was you guys

894
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: are playing a preseason game and there was a team

895
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: plane and there were a couple of running backs headed

896
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: to the team plane and they might live where I live.

897
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: It's legal, you know, going back and forth. I think

898
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't even test for it anymore. And one

899
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: of them didn't make the team plane. The other guy

900
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: ends up on the team plane is le Garrett and Levian.

901
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: You might have been a little marijuana going back and forth,

902
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: did you remember that? And only one of them showed up,

903
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: and that it was that just like everyone talking on

904
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: the plane is you're going, well, you know, We've always

905
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: been told, um, you know, if you don't make the

906
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: team playing, you will get left. And I have anxiety. Yeah,

907
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: and so I've always made sure I'm like at least

908
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: thirty minutes early, uh, because I just I don't want

909
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: to be that guy. Uh. And you know, we're getting

910
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: closer to time and we're like where our players. Um,

911
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, le Garrett shows up, uh, not dressed in

912
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: a white T and we're like, bro, get your get

913
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: your stuff on. Uh. And then we were like, where's

914
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: the Lebyan And then it just took on a different meeting.

915
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: We were like, you're not just late, you're dealing with

916
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: something else, and uh, Lebian got a fight later that

917
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: night and we saw him at the team meeting and

918
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: we were like, oh damn, that's gonna be it's gonna

919
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: be healty fine because Mike t doesn't play about missing.

920
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: But we left it at that and we just focused

921
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: what's it. Obviously, I think Tomlins, I think it's safe

922
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: to say, you know, he's obviously well respected by fans

923
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: and he's just an incredible quote. Uh. I mean last

924
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: year when the USC and he dropped the never say never,

925
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: but never is a it's an all timer, but that

926
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I think as the Antonio and Levi on some of

927
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: those things, He's like status has even growing. Like I

928
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: think on the outside we respected more. It's like this

929
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: guy can handle anything. What's it like? I mean, you've

930
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: been around him now for over a decade. Obviously you

931
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: guys are it's safe to say as your coach, but

932
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: you guys are pretty close personally. Uh what what's what's

933
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: it like being Mike Tomlin's friend and his player? Um,

934
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Um, Like I always revere a

935
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: coach t before I even got here, and I was like, man,

936
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to play for him. And now that I do, UM,

937
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: it means that much more to me. Uh. I'd run

938
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: through a brick wall for him. Um. He's got a

939
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: super Bowl, but I want to be able to hand

940
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: him that trophy as well. Um. He is. He has

941
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: pushed me, he has made me a better player. UM.

942
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: And the thing I love about it is he always

943
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: tells us, Um, I'm gonna treat you fairly, but not equally. UM.

944
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: And you know he's gonna give everybody the benefit of doubt.

945
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: But other people need different things than other people. Other

946
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: players and so what player fifty three on the roster

947
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: might need something different than player one on the roster. UM,

948
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's able to have those individual relationships

949
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: with people to figure out when everybody needs. Um, he

950
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: knows how to push my buttons and he's pushed my

951
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: buttons UM a lot, and I appreciate over the time. Uh,

952
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: but you know it's only made me better. And UM,

953
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: I can't speak enough to the man he is. Um

954
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: the single mild mild mindedness and tunnel vision he shows

955
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: during the season and allows us to just go out

956
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: there and understand that football is our job and this

957
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: is what we need to take care of. Um. He

958
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: provides ownership and accountability to the group. And you know,

959
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: with that that creates honesty and creates a lot of

960
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: transparency that if it's not handled the right way, Uh,

961
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: your team will crumble and will falter because nothing things

962
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: weren't focused on properly, and things slipped through the cracks. Well,

963
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: what's the thing? The standard is the standard, right And

964
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: you guys, just I mean you there's an element of luck.

965
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean you've never lost. I mean obviously when you

966
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: go to OHI State, you're not gonna lose much. But

967
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: coming to the NFL, you have a lot of Ohio

968
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: State teammates and guys that have played on the State

969
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: of the last twenty years ago to crappy teams, and

970
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: it's not their fault, you know, you just you just

971
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: you guys just don't lose it ever, you know, and

972
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: when it's the worst. And I always judge people on

973
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: their lowest moments. That's why I give Belichick a lot

974
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: of credit. A couple of years ago when the twenty

975
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: season and Tom left, everyone acted like they were one.

976
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: They did go seven and nine. Now that's under five dred.

977
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: But a lot of teams if they're worst year seven

978
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: and nine, it's not the biggest deal. You guys worst

979
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: years or eight and eight or better. And last year

980
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: is another good example of you just found a way

981
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: and you end up in the playoffs. So obviously Mike's

982
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: the voice of the team, but how much now do

983
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: you guys like he relies on you because the coach

984
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: can't say everything right, so you have to be the

985
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: voice for kind of him or the defensive coordinator. Uh,

986
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: you feel that weight as a leaders is something now

987
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: that's just part of the gig, you know, I think

988
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: my team gives us the landscape in the environment to

989
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: do it. UM. And then I think it goes to

990
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: the players. UM. You know, we have to be competitive

991
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: as hell. We have to hold each other accountable. UM.

992
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: We have to push each other. UM. You know, I

993
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: I really do, UM enjoy practicing in Troy training UM

994
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: with guys because then you you get a level of trust.

995
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: You understand what players can do what they can't. UM.

996
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: But the communication gets better. And I've always been a

997
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: big proponent on UM. Your leaders got to lead, and UM,

998
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure I do my job. T J

999
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: Naji um Manka. These guys are you know, the stalwarts

1000
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: that got to lead the front and got to lead

1001
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: the group. So we appreciate that. But we we we

1002
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: always want to, you know, make sure that we're pushing

1003
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: each other and making sure we're getting after each other.

1004
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Obviously in college, you know, you guys despise your rival.

1005
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of the best rivalries in America

1006
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: and probably in the world. Will how to stay first

1007
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: Michigan in the pros, I think sometimes, you know, it

1008
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: feels just because guys move teams, it's it's not quite

1009
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: the same. But You guys have had a rival for

1010
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of decades, even before you got there,

1011
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: because you've been on the team the whole time, doesn't

1012
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: feel is genuine? Is the rivalry that you had in

1013
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: college with Michigan? And would you describe your feeling store

1014
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: of the Ravens as hatred? What? Oh? Man? Um the Ravens.

1015
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: It's it's weird. It's it's the level of respect, um,

1016
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: Because is that different than Michigan? Like, do do you

1017
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: respect Michigan? No? I don't respect anybody from Michigan. Uh uh,

1018
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: you see, It's it's different, right, It's very different, Like, Ohio,

1019
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: stay in Michigan. There is a hatred there, like and um,

1020
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: you can go back to the Bosham Beckler days, Hayes days. Um,

1021
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: you know that's the team up north and when you

1022
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: lose to them, god forbid. I never lost to them,

1023
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know that feeling. Um. But but you

1024
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: have to you're representing your your school and those are

1025
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: bragging rights. Um. When you get to the league, it's

1026
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: not just about like representing like your team and bragging rights. Man.

1027
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: These dudes are professionals, um. And there's been a level

1028
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: of success from both teams, UM, and it is. I

1029
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: just remember those those night games Steelers Ravens where you

1030
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: had Troy palm All and ray Lewis on both sides,

1031
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: like like that is iconic. You had drum Bettis going

1032
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: up against ray Lewis, you had Troy palm Allo uh

1033
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: sacking Um Joe Flacco UM or him picking up um

1034
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: uh what was an interception and then returning it and

1035
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: watching the whole stands shake like that was exciting to me,

1036
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's what made the rivalry. Um Kind's

1037
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: ward um making sure he had some of those those

1038
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: clear kill blocks I call him. You know, those those

1039
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: games changed football, like Ryan Clark laying out Willis mcgahey.

1040
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: They literally put in the rules in the NFL because

1041
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: these guys were killing each other. And you you watch

1042
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: it and you're like, okay, you understand the rivalry because

1043
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: this game escalated quickly and they were both teams were

1044
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: on the cusp of you know, trying to win Super Bowls. UH,

1045
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: and you know that's what we always have to live

1046
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: up to. Um. There's no reason to try to get

1047
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: up for Baltimore because you're already up. UM. And I've

1048
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: appreciated that time, and um, I always look forward to

1049
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: playing Baltimore Ravens because it's a it's a physical game

1050
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: and you better bring your big board pants because uh,

1051
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: you'll get exposed if you don't. With some of those

1052
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis teams, you guys in Cincinnati had a couple

1053
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: of year run where it was teetering on like this

1054
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: ship is crazy, what is going on? Yeah? Like you know,

1055
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: if you listen to the TV copy of UM the

1056
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: playoff game, UM, you can hear a level of discuss

1057
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: and the announcers and you're like, oh my gosh, like

1058
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: this is like the way they talk about You're like,

1059
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: you would think we were in a full out war. Yeah,

1060
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: and you know Jujus block on Mantes perfect And like

1061
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: before that game, Vantes was getting into it with one

1062
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: of our old alignment to Castro. And if you get

1063
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: the Castro talking, you know something's wrong because the Castro

1064
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: is like a psychopath. He doesn't talk and he's just

1065
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: focused on football. But this game you hear the Castro

1066
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: start chirping. So then I remember that game, the Castro

1067
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: was pulling and Vantes was coming around it. The cast

1068
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: was just laid them out and you're just thinking like

1069
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: these this type of game is like, it's a petty

1070
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: personal game. There's no there's not a respect there. There

1071
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: there was no respect there, uh in the personal fouls

1072
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: that came from that. And I think it all started

1073
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: from when Vantes hit Lebian out of bounds because he

1074
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: ended Lebian's year and we were like, okay, like you

1075
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: took it at a step farther where it was outside

1076
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: the game. It wasn't just you know, going at each

1077
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: other in the in the confines of the game. You

1078
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: went out of your way to hurt a player who

1079
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: we love, beloved and you know, stood up for. So

1080
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: now you just you're poking the bear. So now you're

1081
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna get it all. And um, you know pac Man

1082
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: was there, uh, you know, chirping with Joey. Uh. And

1083
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: then with the refs, that game had to be one

1084
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: of the um insane games for us to win and

1085
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: be a part of. Like we went out on a

1086
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: series that was we were supposed to. Uh, they were

1087
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: gonna they ran out the clock, they were gonna win

1088
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: the game. Ryan ends up Ryan says, he ends up

1089
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: stripping the ball and then we recover it and you

1090
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: see Ben Roethlisberger come out of the tunnel because he

1091
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: was hurt and takes us down the field. UM, and

1092
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: I think they knocked a b out. Oh that was

1093
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: another hit. Um, they knocked a b out of the game. UM.

1094
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: And then Chris Boswell kicks in between the uprights. We

1095
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: win that game, and everybody is We're not shocked, but

1096
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: everybody around is shocked that we came out of this

1097
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: game as a winner. UM. But it was it was

1098
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: crazy there for a second. It's crazy. You've been on

1099
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: some teams. I thought the year that Chayzer got got injured,

1100
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: you guys were the best team in the league. And

1101
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: so you've played on teams that you know, Salmon Salm

1102
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: in college. I mean, you've been right there. To be

1103
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: a champion, to be a Super Bowl champion. Is that

1104
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: something that just kind of you know, you're you're a

1105
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: pretty high level motivated guy anyway, but is that kind

1106
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: of an easy thing to just think about, Like I

1107
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: haven't got over the mountaintop yet, It honestly is, UM,

1108
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: because I've been so close. UM. And it's one or

1109
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: two players that change it sometimes. But I feel like

1110
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: there's gonna come a time where I get over this

1111
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: damn hump, like you know, uh, and I would even

1112
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: take it back to high school. We went to the

1113
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: state championship and UM, you know there was there was

1114
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: the year before we went to the state championship, they

1115
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: had made a rule that you could tie in the

1116
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: state championship because the year before a kicker had missed

1117
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: and um, you know, had went through a lot of harassment. UM.

1118
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: And then in college, I mean in high school, we

1119
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: UM went to state championship and tied, and that was

1120
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: the worst, one of the worst feelings because it's like,

1121
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: how do I celebrate a tie in the state championship?

1122
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: We still our rings, but like, man, that like did

1123
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: not sit well with me. And then college, you know,

1124
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: freshman year starting national championship and we tricked it off

1125
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: and did not win. UM and then uh all throughout there,

1126
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I wish we had college playoffs back then because that

1127
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: would have been fun to be a part of. UM.

1128
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: We ended up going to the Sugar Bowl my senior

1129
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: year we won versus Arkansas, but I never got to

1130
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: play in national championship again. UM. And now I'm just

1131
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: I've been the playoffs, UM, and all I want is

1132
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. All I want is a championship. Uh

1133
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: that that is the crowning moment. I'm looking forward towards you.

1134
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: You said the word. So I remember last year sitting

1135
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: on my couch. You're playing the Lions, right, you know,

1136
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: a trenial downpour and the game finishes the tie? Correct?

1137
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: What's it? What's it? What's it feel like? I know

1138
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: we hear the coaches talk neither one's happy. What was

1139
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: it like as a player when over time hits a

1140
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: double zero in both teams at the same score and

1141
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: you finished with a tie. I'mnna be honest. I was hot,

1142
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: like I was piste off like um, and that's not

1143
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: a shot at like what the Lions did because Lions

1144
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: UM did some things well in that game. But damn

1145
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: we I don't I don't ever want to end on

1146
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: us high. UM. I don't feel comfortable with it. UM.

1147
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with losses. I look at as

1148
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: a loss. Um. But somehow that got us into the playoffs.

1149
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I couldn't be that upset about it. Well,

1150
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: I know you've been in the mix for the Man

1151
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: of the Year, You've been the representative for the Steelers.

1152
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: I was reading about your foundation. I mean I didn't

1153
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: know this, but you can sell on cam Heyward Foundation

1154
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: dot dot org dot org. Um that you had severe

1155
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: asthma as a child, and uh, you know I had

1156
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: bounced with asthma, but nothing like you were hospitalized. And

1157
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: is that something how did you get over it? And

1158
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: is that something you still deal with to this day? Oh?

1159
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: I still deal with that. Um. You know I take

1160
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: my tailor before every game. Um. You know, when my

1161
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: chest does get very tight, I have to get on

1162
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: a nebulizer or machine that helps with my breathing. Um.

1163
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: But growing up, I was a complete mess. Um. You know,

1164
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: thank God for my parents because I put them through

1165
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: uh some hard times. Um. You know growing up, my

1166
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: mom never was always scared about me playing sports and

1167
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, over exerting myself because uh there was an

1168
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: opportunity that I could suffer from it. Um. But through sports,

1169
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: I was able to strengthen my lungs um, and you

1170
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: know continue to keep growing in it. Um. I like

1171
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm from Pittsburgh, but now I'm back in Pittsburgh. Um.

1172
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: You know I remember those times going to the hospital

1173
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: and Christmas nights um, because I had an allergic reaction

1174
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: from uh, a real Christmas tree, and um, my asthma

1175
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: flared up and now I couldn't even breathe. Um. And

1176
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine putting or watching my kids go through that. Uh,

1177
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: that would be heartbreaking. Um. But luckily I'm here today

1178
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: and you know, um My foundation helps with asthma and

1179
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: helps with children in need. So you know, I want

1180
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: to make sure I do my part. I lost my

1181
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: dad about four years ago from cancer, but I was

1182
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: you know what basically your age. Now. I know your dad,

1183
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: Ironhead Heyward, who was a famous football player. You lost him.

1184
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: Was it your senior year in high school? Yeah, before

1185
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: my senior And it's something you know, I've followed your

1186
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: career from afar. You know, I say this all the

1187
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: time about the NFL. The majority of guys are such

1188
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: high level and that's why when guys get in trouble,

1189
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: it's such a minority of the overall group, you know,

1190
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: especially relative to society. But you, I would say, or

1191
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: even on the higher end of that. And you know

1192
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: being in the mix too. When your feels like inevitability

1193
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: to win the award one day, is that a moment

1194
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: because they say, remember Scott Van Peltz's you never become

1195
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of a grown up till you know, you lose

1196
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: your father. And it's something, you know, it's a jolting feeling.

1197
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: But it's one thing to be an adult, it's it's

1198
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: another thing. I can't imagine. Was that something that matured

1199
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: you to have you always just would you can set

1200
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: yourself a mature guy? Is it? Was that just a

1201
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: moment that you know, it's a life changing moment obviously,

1202
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: but it's a life changing moment. And um, you know,

1203
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: James our our producer, can attest I am not mature.

1204
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: What's whatsoever? Uh? You know? I uh, you know, I

1205
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: am a big kid at heart. UM. I love to

1206
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: have fun. Um and UM I like to think I'm

1207
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: matured later on in life. Um. You know obviously had

1208
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: to be there for my brothers and my mom, but

1209
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: they were there for me. Um, and I had to

1210
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: grow up. Um. You know my mom was U such

1211
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: a big stand out in my life, especially when my

1212
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: dad died. Um she would she was like my She

1213
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: handled all my recruiting. Uh so I when we went

1214
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. You know, I wish my dad was

1215
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: there to help, you know, guide me through this process.

1216
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: But she was in the forefront, you know, asking teams, Um,

1217
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: what do you play at three or four or four three?

1218
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: What do you see him more as a D tackle

1219
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: d n UM? What weight do you want him at? Um?

1220
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, all these different questions, and I'm like, I'm

1221
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: so glad she's asking these questions and not me, because

1222
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had a clue what to ask um

1223
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: as a as a seventeen year old, You're like thinking, like, oh,

1224
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: this is why I will say, yeah, this is great.

1225
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: But my mom was preparing me um for you know, uh,

1226
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: the next level and making sure I was gonna be

1227
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: in a in a great spot. Do you think there's

1228
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: any way in two the you don't end up at Georgia,

1229
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: how do they let you get out of the state

1230
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: the way they're going to Kirby. Kirby might have just

1231
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: jumped on your back and refused to let you go. Yeah.

1232
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Georgia was happy I was leaving the

1233
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: first place, because like, um, who was there? Mark Rick

1234
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: was there, and you know they've some great coach they

1235
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: were um. But man, I like, my second choice would

1236
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: have been Florida, and that would have really upset all

1237
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: the Georgia people. Um Urban was there and um, you know,

1238
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: I was very close to going to Florida, but I

1239
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: went to the Ohio State game. It was an unofficial

1240
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: game for me, and you know, I was a little

1241
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: bit sick, and my mama and me, we're like, you know,

1242
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: we can't make an official because it was too late.

1243
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: So we drove up ourselves and it was the one

1244
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: verse two game, Ohio State versus Michigan. Uh, and the

1245
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: winner was going to the National Championship? Was that what

1246
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: Troy Smith was quarterback? Yes, And I was like, like

1247
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: we got out there and you start seeing like ESPN

1248
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: is like like ABC is like like showing this game.

1249
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: So you're seeing the camera fly across. You're seeing like

1250
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: the Ohiose State band come out at halftime, and you're like, oh,

1251
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: this is a different like type of game. This is

1252
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: like everybody's watching. I want to be a part of this,

1253
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: and like we just from then on it was like

1254
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: everything was said off like coach Stress is awesome. He

1255
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: cares about you as a person. Um, they care about

1256
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: your academics. Um. The players, they're like James Laura Nitis

1257
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: was like my one of my hosts and getting to

1258
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: interact with him. I was like, this dude is awesome.

1259
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: This guy has won the buckets and now I get

1260
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: to talk to him. He's just like a regular guy. Um.

1261
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite trips and I was

1262
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: just I was like, I gotta come here. This is

1263
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Like I want to be a Buckeye, you

1264
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: know speaking. Uh, you obviously got a podcast starting not

1265
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: uh not Just Football Podcast with Camp Heyward, which I

1266
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: was just thinking about to ask this question. You know,

1267
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: you're doing a podcast for Omaha paid An Eli, two

1268
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: guys you tried to kill for years before they both retired.

1269
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: Tell me about your podcast and just how it all

1270
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: came to be, you know, working with Peyton and Eli. Yeah.

1271
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: So the podcast is called Not Just Football with Camp Heyward.

1272
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: Um we uh we were flipping around through names for

1273
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: forever and you know, for me, I didn't want to

1274
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,560
Speaker 1: just be tied down to just football. I wanted to

1275
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: be able to talk other sports because I love basketball,

1276
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: I love all different types of sports. I love pop

1277
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: culture too, so um, you know it was It's funny

1278
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: how this all worked out. Uh. You know, Peyton and

1279
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: his people reaching out the people at Omaha. Um. You know,

1280
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: I Peyton actually played with my dad and I can't

1281
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: wait to have him on my show one of these

1282
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: times because I want to ask them so many different stories. Um,

1283
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: because I remember we were in Indianapolis, and you know,

1284
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: I think Pelon was struggling, but like my mom and

1285
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: dad were telling me like he's gonna be the truth

1286
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: one day, and they were right. But you know, now,

1287
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: this dude's my boss. So this is a little weird.

1288
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: A guy I got the chance to play against is

1289
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: now my boss. And um, you know they create great

1290
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 1: shows and great content. Um, but this is unfiltered uh

1291
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: you know uh um perspective of what a day in life,

1292
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: of what I go through. Um, how or prepare what

1293
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, how I see you know, sports, and

1294
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: how I see pop culture. So I'm I'm ready. Um,

1295
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: I got my one of my friends to come on.

1296
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be my co host. He's gonna be busting

1297
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: my balls a little bit too, so it's gonna be

1298
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: a good time. You know. Obviously Draymond his podcast shot

1299
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: like a rocket ship, but basketball is a little different scheme.

1300
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: You know, Steph Curry shooting the ball and he's talking

1301
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: a lot of ship in football. You know, it's like

1302
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: with the culture talking about other guys you're playing. You know,

1303
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: it's a little frowned upon by my coaching staff. Is

1304
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,879
Speaker 1: the balance that that probably wouldn't be it's not necessarily

1305
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: your style. But I don't think anyone can pull that

1306
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: off in the NFL, right, You're right, Like I've seen

1307
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: like basketball players going like talk shows and literally like

1308
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: talk crap about a player. Like I'm not with all that,

1309
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: Like that's not what I'm going to do. Like I'm

1310
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: here to you know, broaden my horizons and learn and

1311
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: have fun with people and you know, grow great awareness

1312
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: to our game that we love, um, and provide a

1313
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of insight because um, a lot of times you

1314
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: get these players after they're done. Like you know, I

1315
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: I can recall when Jerome used to do his show

1316
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: after he was done with football, and you know, I

1317
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: just think this is a really cool platform to you know,

1318
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: talk to a current player. Um. And you know, I'm

1319
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: not I might have to have a couple of those

1320
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: were you know, we win or we lose. I'm going

1321
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: straight to the pod. Make sure you can stay tuned,

1322
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: But I'm not using this time to call it nobody. Um,

1323
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: if anything, I'm using this time to call it myself,

1324
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: uh and hold myself accountable. The difference in football than

1325
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: the NBA is like physically you could get you know,

1326
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: crackback block. I mean you could get you know, at

1327
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: the NBA. You don't touch anybody, you know what I

1328
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: get you out here on this I remember when I

1329
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: was scouting, a famous story was, you know, Steelers have

1330
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: always been held to the highest regard from a scouting perspective,

1331
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: and Jack Lambert they were like a practice at Kent

1332
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: State when he was in college and one of the

1333
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: Steeler scouts was there and they were it was like

1334
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: an outside walk through, you know, in the sixties or whatever,

1335
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: on gravel and Jack was going hundred miles an hour

1336
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: tackling people bloodied on the gravel. And the Steeler scout

1337
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: like went back to the Mooney's were like, he's our guy,

1338
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: and then they get that's just you know, these legends

1339
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: of Steelers scout and it's just but it's lived that

1340
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: right too. When I was a kid, Greg Lloyd's to

1341
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: Harrison and Lamar Woodley's to just to now you and

1342
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: t J and Minca. I mean, you do get to

1343
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: play for a team that one the fan base is

1344
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: massive to football means everything. And three you just thought of, like,

1345
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: if you start on defense with the Steelers, you are

1346
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: a badass. It's got cool. Well, like I remember hearing

1347
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: about how like the scout bill none with like hold

1348
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: on to certain tapes because back then they were supposed

1349
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: to like share the film with everybody, but like they didn't,

1350
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: and so build None, you know, he held onto the

1351
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: tape and nobody knew about certain players. So you know,

1352
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: the scouting department has always been ahead of everybody else

1353
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: and has always um found great players. Um. But when

1354
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: you put on that black and gold man, you are

1355
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: really embracing a tough defense demeanor. Um, it's um something

1356
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm proud of, something I gotta live up to every day,

1357
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: and I just enjoy it. Um, I think everything, Thank

1358
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: God every day that I'm able to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. Well,

1359
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to watching you guys play on defense

1360
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: because every year you guys just cracking people left and

1361
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: right and watching Nagy play and you know the quarterback

1362
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: situation is gonna be fun. So you know, you guys

1363
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: make the playoffs basically every year so I expect you

1364
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: back there. I look forward to some boy. Yeah, it's

1365
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: good luck to you man. Stay healthy and good luck

1366
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: with the new media. Baby, new media. I got some

1367
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 1: part of new media. No skipping weeks, CAM, no skipping weeks,

1368
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: no skipping weeks, Yes, James will let us, we got it.

1369
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: Take it easy, bro, Thanks a lot, appreciate you, John,

1370
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. No problem the volume

1371
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: wou