1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to the almost of his podcast. This 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: week Ben is he's a NAPA doing a zillion interviews 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: with Almost Famous. I am too new for a mom 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 2: to go on that trip, So today I'm doing the 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: recap with our friend Rachel Reccia. Hello, Rachel, Hello, as 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: It's so good to be back with us too. 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: I miss us doing podcasts together. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: Love that it's always a good one. It's always going. 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here and you caught up this week. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: He fell a little bit behind. But before we get 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: into the episode, we just have to talk about this 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: picture with you and Blake Moyins. And like, I know 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: that you guys keep saying that you're just friends, but like, 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: maybe why I fee friends because I'm looking at a 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: picture of you guys at an event for the oceans. Yeah, 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: was it one of his his saving the world things exactly? 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: You know him very uh conservationist. But yeah, we went 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: to an event together, so he flew to LA But 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: everyone wants us to be a couple so bad. I 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: feel like we always like addressed the rumor over and 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: over again, but we're still not a couple. We're still I. 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: Still don't believe you, Like and I believe that you're 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: not a couple, but I don't believe that you guys 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: have like never made out, Like you definitely made out. 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: We literally have it. At this point, I always say, 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, we just should because I mean we could 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: just say, yeah, we made out, it wasn't good, but. 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: No, what if you made out and it was really good? 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: Maybe we should? 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know how, sometimes like there was this 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: one guy friend that I was twenty two. Okay, this 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: is a long time ago, guys, but I remember the 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: age that was at because we got monumental and I 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: was like never thought of I would like, never thought 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: about making out with him. And then we were just 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: like at a club in New York City and it 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: was like whoa, so you know, and I was like 40 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: what that was the best kiss ever? And then I 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: was like obsessed with him for like a year, and 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: like it was it wasn't that it was like like 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: he definitely would have Why am I getting into this? 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: No? 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: I want to Definitely he was like he was like 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: he was into me enough, but like he was not 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: like looking for a relationship or anything like that. But 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: I was like way hung up on it just because 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 2: this one great night. 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: I feel that I was just like, we went to 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: Paradise together. We've been friends and done trips like for 52 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: over a year. If it was meant to be, I think. 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: It would have happened, it already happened. 54 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just I love He's like my most 55 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: solid guy friend. I go for everything. So I also 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: am like, who would I go to then if we 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: were to have that weird like kiss and then things 58 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: got awkward. 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe do it now before it gets really awkward 60 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: one day because you're still it's still in like the 61 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: fresh friend territory and enough you guys look really cute together. 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 3: I actually I was surprised he wasn't chosen to bachelor. 63 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: Okay, did you think that he was? Because I saw 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: that he was in like the speculation handful. 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: I mean, there's always speculation, and I think they talked 66 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: to so many people. I just think he's like, he 67 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: would be such a good bachelor. I want to watch 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: wildlife dates. 69 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: Wildlife dates would be good. But I just think that 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: he has the emotional maturity to really handle it and 71 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: a familiarity with the audience, or that the audience is 72 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: so familiar with him that it would just be like 73 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: a really really fun easy watch for us. 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: I agree maybe one maybe one year another time. I 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: think Grant's a good pick too. I just feel like 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: I don't know him at all, Like I don't know 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: anything about him, so we'll see. 78 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: This episode makes it even weirder that Grant is the 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: Bachelor and we like Gant, We totally do. He's super hot, 80 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: seems very sweet. But also why I understand why not 81 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: Jeremy because he was eliminated this episode, But why not 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: Jonathan if he doesn't make it? Why not even Devin 83 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: because Devin would be so interesting? Why not Marcus because 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: he would be so great, But I think that Marcus 85 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: might need to go too slow for a bachelor process. 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: Agreed after this episode. Before that, I would have said 87 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: one hundred Marcus and Jonathan. I think especially Jonathan. 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Jonathan is so hot, like as a 89 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: married woman, like I just need to say that, he's 90 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: like he was very much my type. He's so gorgeous, agreed. 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: In his voice, Like his voice is hot, his tattoos 92 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: are hot. 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Rachel would you go to paradise. If Jonathan went. 94 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: I think I have to be done with Paradise. 95 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: But like it's tempting still, right, the guys. 96 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: This season, they're a little tempting. I think I really 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 3: have to call it because if I don't call it, now, 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: where's the end? I know. 99 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: That's how I felt after three too, but I did four. 100 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: Before three was not lucky. They said third was fisty, 101 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: the best. 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: Third was the worst. For me, say, okay, maybe we 103 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: have to do it for it, So who's the other guy? 104 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: You? 105 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: But you'd be tempted to go to paradise for. 106 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: Me and Genevieve, And like, we all watched this episode 107 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: and we both agree, Grant is so hot. We thought 108 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: Austin was really cute and Austin. 109 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Austin was really cute, but we didn't really get 110 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: to know him. She I didn't think they had Yeah, 111 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 2: they didn't really have a connection. 112 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: I was shocked. He just went home in the middle 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: of the group too. I was like, you couldn't wait 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: one more day? I thought that was a little weird. Yeah, 115 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: but here we are at hometowns. 116 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: Here we are at hometowns, and and how I don't know, 117 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: fastest feeling season ever the now we started out not 118 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: being recorded, and you said you liked this episode, and 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: I was like, let's talk about that, because I did 120 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: not like this episode. There was nothing memorable to me 121 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: about it really, But then again, maybe I have absolute 122 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: like newborn mom brain because I'm watching it and I 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: always tell Ben you know, I was like, oh, like 124 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: I determine how good an episode is based on, like 125 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: whether I find myself scrolling on Instagram during the episode, 126 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: and I wasn't scrolling. I was fully paying attention. But 127 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: it didn't. It didn't. I didn't remember anything, Like I'm 128 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: in the middle of Jonathan's date, the third date, and 129 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, Devn's mom, what did Devon's mom look like? 130 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: Who was at his hometown? I couldn't remember like forty 131 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: minutes before. So what was the standout? Was there any 132 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: standout moments for you? Because my only standout moment, I'll 133 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: tell you off the bat, was probably just Devn's in. 134 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: Devon seems the most authentically into her, and I think 135 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: like his I Love you was the moment for me. 136 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: See I that's the one person I disagree. I think. 137 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: I was telling Ben this and I'm probably projecting so 138 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: hard on him. 139 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but my own thing. Okay, you find Tino, 140 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: you feel, you'll feel Tino vibes. 141 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: I just feel. And I could be so wrong, and 142 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: I'll eat my words at aofar if she does choose 143 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: to be with him or whoever. But if I was Jen, 144 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: it seems like she's going in the same direction because 145 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: he has this vibe of he knows how and when 146 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: to say the right things, when to do the right things. 147 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: And maybe maybe he is into her. I think he 148 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: is into her, but there is the element of it's 149 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: a game to him and he's the person I feel 150 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: that way. 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: Okay, now you say that, I can see that perspective. 152 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being Maybe I'm a great target for the game. 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think Jonathan's connection with her is 154 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: the most authentic. 155 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: Really, see I think Jonathan, I don't think she's there 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: with him? 157 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so. 158 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: No, But let me go back to Devon for a second. 159 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: Devon is the one that makes me feel most secure, 160 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: like he's not going to leave her, like he's not 161 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: going to change his mind mid experience. Everybody else, well, 162 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: Marcus is like a whole conversation. We'll get there, we'll 163 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: get there, we'll get there. Okay, But but right now, 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: because we have three remaining and maybe we're jumping the 165 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: gun because we're not going through. I haven't gone through 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: the episode yet, but of the three remaining, you feel 167 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: most secure with Jonathan's connection. I feel most secure with Devon. 168 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: Yes, if she ends up with Jonathan, I see it 169 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: as like a charity in Dawton, Zach and Katie, like 170 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: they will last. That's the one right now that I 171 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: see And before this I would have said. 172 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: Marcus, see, I feel like that for Jonathan as a man, 173 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: Like in general, I'm like, he's a man that I 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: trust and I just like think that he's goodness. But 175 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: with the connection between the two him, I'm just not 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: sure is one there yet? All Right, So let's let's 177 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: let's go through the episode a bit. So Devin's they 178 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: do the running club thing. That's cute, a good Oh. 179 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: I would have been like, I hate you for this. 180 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: I hope that they like know, like the producers obviously 181 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: know Jen enough to be like, oh, she'll be down 182 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: for this, because I I if you were like, you're 183 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: gonna run more than a quarter of a mile. I 184 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: would have been like, I'm sorry, my body doesn't do that. 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: I would have been crawling, like, can we just go 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: to a nice bar, have a nice cocktail, show me 187 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: where you like to hang out in Houston. Love that 188 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: he has an outlet, though, and that she got to 189 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: meet his friends. That was really nice. She got to 190 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: meet his dog, Charlie. 191 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: Yep, that was cute. 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm seeing that very sweet. I was surprised that at 193 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: the beginning of this episode she said, if you would 194 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: have told me Devin was going to hometowns, I wouldn't 195 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: have to believed deal. 196 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: Neither do I think any of us. That's maybe why 197 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: I'm into Devon right now is because his character arc 198 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: has just been ever evolving. 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: I called me and Ben were like, he's mid season elimination. 200 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: This man is not going past week four, so he's 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: the survivor. 202 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: And here I am being like, you should pick him. Oh, 203 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: I know. He just is so multidimensional that maybe I 204 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: just find him interesting and I like dislike him on 205 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: my TV. 206 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: And they did comment on the Pete Davidson Yeah, fine. 207 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: Multiple times now oh she already did. 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then to the running group, she was like 209 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: doesn't he look like Pete Davidson And they all agreed. 210 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so we're all on the same page. 211 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: He's very good looking. 212 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has it's the Pete Davidson mouth that he has. 213 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: And then he does have that big energy yes, BD 214 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: whatever BD. 215 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 216 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 2: I mean this guy is in the you know, he's 217 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: probably in great shape, but like when he took his 218 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: clothes off at the thunder down Under, by far the 219 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: least uh, you know, aesthetically looking in shape. He looks 220 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: in shape. Guys. We're just saying that. The rest of 221 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: the guys you know, have like six packs and they're 222 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: like got oil all over their bodies and he's just 223 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: like looking normal ish. Yes, I agree, But but my 224 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: whole point of saying that is that he still is 225 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: able to like conduct himself with such confidence and be attractive. 226 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: He has something then feels it. Yeah, because even at 227 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: the end of this episode two, well okay, I'm jumping 228 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: the gun again. 229 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: No, no, no, jump the gun, jump the gun a little bit, 230 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: because at the end, this is what we do. We're girls. 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: We're just like that does God a terrain of thought 232 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: that always keeps me in line. 233 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: I know, we need so at the end of this 234 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: episode or not at the end of this episode. I 235 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: guess at the end of each hometown this episode, every 236 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: guy did the same day. I'm like, come on, you 237 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: guys are all following this pattern. 238 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: What I'm falling in love with you? Yes, But Devin's 239 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: was different. Rangel, that's the thing. He said, I'm in 240 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: love with you. 241 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: Yes. But they all feel like they have to do 242 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: it at this specific point, and I feel like Devin 243 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: knows he has to say that. 244 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: To be different and to be ahead of the game. 245 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: Yes, they know what they need to do to go 246 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 3: to next week. Like it feels like everyone was kind 247 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: of a little bit playing a game at the end 248 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: of each hometown, which I just wish it came more 249 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: like authentic throughout the season, like when they really felt 250 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: these feelings, they told her instead of waiting and having 251 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: Jen tell the parents and the parents having to push 252 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: the men like why are you saying? How do you feel? 253 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we see most notably in Devon's hometown. 254 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: It was his mom that was like, Yeah, it's uncomfortable 255 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: to tell a girl that has three other boyfriends that 256 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 2: you love her, but you've got to do it as 257 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: far as the family goes. That's really my biggest takeaway 258 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: with Devin's Is there anything else worth mentioning you feel? 259 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: I wrote that the mom was so sweet. It was Jennifer. 260 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I was just like, this hometown 261 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 3: was so good, Like, yeah, I think it was so smooth. 262 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: They told her that they could see her fitting in 263 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: with their family. I think she heard everything she needed 264 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: to hear. He feels the support from his family to 265 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: move forward. It was just it was a great hometown. 266 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: It was just good. There was nothing wrong with it. 267 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: There was really nothing wrong with any of the hometowns. 268 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: This is which I was, which made for not a 269 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: very dramatic episode, which is why I think I probably 270 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: was just like. 271 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: But then we got Marcus spiraling. 272 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: But then we got Marcus, And we'll get there in 273 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, because let's talk about Jeremy's hometown first, 274 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: in Fairfield, Connecticut. 275 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: The East Coast. 276 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: The first thing that stood out to me was that 277 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: jen said, I feel so strongly about our connection that 278 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: I waited to bring him on the one on one 279 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: until last week, and I was like, holy crap, Ben 280 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: and I have been really off with that then, because 281 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: we've been like, why is Jeremy still around? I started 282 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: to think I understood why Jeremy was around last week, 283 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: but for Gent too felt so strongly the entire time. 284 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: That was surprising to me. What about you? 285 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: I think that this was supposed to be Sam Emm's 286 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: hometown and that if things would have went smoother on 287 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: that group day, if he didn't implode, I think this 288 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: would have been him. 289 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I completely agree with you, But then why do 290 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: you think that she says that she felt so secure 291 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: about them the entire time? 292 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: I think maybe she wasn't thinking about him as much, 293 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: knowing who her final four were at that point, and 294 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: then she decided to give Jeremy this date and realized 295 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: how much of a connection they do have. Because I 296 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: do see it. I think they're really fun together. Just 297 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: he was very surprising to get a hometown from my 298 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: point of view. 299 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: Also, he reminded me that he was the one that 300 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: drove up in the sports car and had the line 301 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: about having a big wing, you know, wong or whatever. 302 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: I was like, wait a second, no, that's you Jeremy. 303 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe he brought that up in front of 304 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: his parents. Like they have a great relationship, because I 305 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: would have just prayed it didn't err and they would 306 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: have cut my entrance at that point. But we love 307 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: that they all got a laugh out of it. 308 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Ben and I definitely like mentally eliminated 309 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: him early on, and then I just realized that that's 310 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: the same. 311 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: She had some like wild entrances in her final four, 312 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: like Jonathan's was in the cast, like we didn't even 313 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: know what he looked like. 314 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: Oh well, Jonathan covering his face was the weirdest thing. 315 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: Once he revealed himself, I was like, you are not 316 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: the guy that should be doing that. I know, what 317 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: if it was not a good move, Like what if 318 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: she had what if she just didn't take the time done. 319 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just a weird entrance for somebody 320 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: who is very attractive. 321 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: They were giving her a surprise for later, but I 322 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: thought his hometown was I get there was. I think 323 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: they were trying to make it a little bit more dramatic. 324 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: The sister was definitely giving them a little bit more 325 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: of a hard time. But I wrote, I'm like with 326 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: reason because he also is giving nothing to the family. 327 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: I was like, is he going to tell them what 328 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: he likes about her, the qualities, how he knows it's 329 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: a little late, but he really sees her as his wife. 330 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: He was just like, we have fun. 331 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he started showing doubt for like he started, 332 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: he showed more doubt with the family than he has 333 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: ever I But then you know, they did have to 334 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: kind of finesse it so that somebody's hometown was like 335 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: the oh, he's the one that may not be ready 336 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: to get engaged, but he did have They have Marcus 337 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: for that. But Marcus feels different. It feels deeper. It 338 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: feels like like in his character, we don't there's just 339 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: a lot up in the air. But with Jeremy, it 340 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: was like is he ready for an engagement? It just 341 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: felt like a lighter version of it. 342 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean kind of on the same lines 343 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: as Sam where she was like do you really know me? 344 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: I feel like she maybe feels that in the back 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: front mine with Jeremy because it's so new, asking him 346 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: is he ready for an engagement? Meeting the family, it 347 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: feels kind of like maybe it's a little too late 348 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: in the game for them. 349 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like to catch up and like it's 350 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: just one of those classic scenarios. It's like, oh, we're 351 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: not going to be able to get there based on 352 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: where I am with the other guys. But the grocery 353 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: store was so fun. I was like, what kind of 354 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: grocery store is this? I want to go? Yeah, how 355 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: the ant happened to be there and that seemed authentic. 356 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: I don't think that the producers planted that. 357 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: Is that very like New England just to run in? 358 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: Yesore, Yes, that would happen to Jared on a hometown 359 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 2: if he went to the grocery store one thousand percent. 360 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: They got the lobster role. 361 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I mean, yeah, it was cute, it 362 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: was fun. 363 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: The daytime dates were not impressing me as much. 364 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: Yeah for this home, No, because Jonathan's was Lacrosse and 365 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: I'm Marcus and Marcus had nothing. But we'll again, We'll 366 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: get to that in a second. Yeah. The one last 367 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: thing I want to bring up about Jeremy's hometown is 368 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: that they had this line from the mom that says, 369 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: when I heard Jen describe what she looks for and 370 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: a guy, I thought to myself, that's not Jeremy, and 371 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: so I thought that was going to be a theme 372 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: in you know that part of the date, and it wasn't. 373 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: They never brought it up again. But then I had 374 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: to go look online and be like, oh, what is 375 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: the what is like the canned line that she said 376 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: she was looking for on the Bachelorette And she said, 377 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: a really big personality, someone who can take it as 378 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: much as they dish it, and somebody who's really good 379 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: at cheeky banter. So I don't know whether or not 380 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: the mom was being sarcastic there, because he certainly can 381 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: have the cheeky banter with her and condition and he 382 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: seems to have a pretty he seems he has a personality. 383 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: I think so too, like they have so much fun 384 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: on their date. Yeah, yeah, that is interesting obviously moms. 385 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: I feel like, no, their sounds at a deeper level. 386 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: So maybe she feels he's more reserved, But I thought, yeah, there, 387 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: there wasn't any sort of animosity or conflict at all 388 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: with mom. I think she was asking the right questions 389 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: and I think giving Jen a chance, which is something 390 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: a lot of parents don't do. On Home Johns, they 391 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: kind of want to take it out on the lead 392 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: that the process is the process. 393 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, oh they just hate the fact that they 394 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: have other boys, friends or girlfriends or whatever. Yes, they're 395 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: on the Bachelor's Lash Bachelorette. Well, what did your dad? 396 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: Your dad was the king of that, wasn't he? 397 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: My dad was the worst. He knows the show and 398 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: he's like, what about my daughter? I'm like whatever, But yeah, 399 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: all the parents I thought were good this season. 400 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: You know what was missing though, a big dad figure. 401 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: It was it was the mom show. Jonathan's dad didn't 402 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: even talk. 403 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah that we had Devin's dad. 404 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Den's dad who he doesn't have a you know, 405 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: the closest relationship to. But he said that he wanted 406 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: to get his approval on the girl. All right, Well 407 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: let's go on to Jonathan's date then. Yeah, the it's 408 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: a throwaway the beginning where they play lacrosse. I barely 409 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: absorbed any of it, but we do get brought up 410 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: a lot again that he has like a distrust with 411 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: women because of how his ex went about things, and 412 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: he's just afraid of getting in deep with somebody who 413 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: is like not on the same page, the classic classic 414 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: We know this, but he does. 415 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: Have that same I guess him and Jen are able 416 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 3: to bond on that since they both had those pretty 417 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: traumatic relationships. Yeah, but I will say Jonathan's brother and 418 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: sister in law did bring a little bit of a 419 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: little bit of drama, not too much talking about how 420 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: they met on Tinder and they said I love you 421 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 3: on the third date. But I think his brother was 422 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: also he was a little protective questions. 423 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also seem to be more on her, 424 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: like more on her side and supportive than anything, because 425 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: they're like, we understand a fast process. We said I 426 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: you on the third day. You know all that. 427 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: Now, not much to note really, not. 428 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: Really not much to know on that hometown. 429 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: Mom, she was very sweet. Oh she did say that 430 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: she absolutely sees him being with her long term. 431 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: And case that's right. 432 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was very confident, Yes, and I remember noting that. 433 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: But other than that, Jen is again just asking these moms, 434 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: do you think he can open up? He's holding back? 435 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: It seems like she feels this way about a lot 436 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: of that. 437 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, except for I guess with Devin, she doesn't really 438 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: feel like he's holding back. Everybody else had that. There 439 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: was that theme and then we're going to see it 440 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: apparently play into next week's episode when or Yeah, fantasy 441 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: sweets when all of them start showing doubt, or the 442 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: scenes from the next episode show each of them showing 443 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: doubt about whether or not they can get there, presumably 444 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: to an engagement. Now, I think some of this is editing. 445 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: Still, the conversation she has with Marcus, for she says. 446 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: Oh, no, Marcus is gonna be legit. The other two, 447 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't believe that they have as many reservations. 448 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm gonna have to close my 449 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: eyes watching it when she says it first, Like, as 450 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: a lead, you're always so scared to say anything first. 451 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: You kind of wait to see where they're at. Yeah, 452 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: for her to say I love you first and he 453 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 3: says like, thank you for sharing that. 454 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: Basically that's yes, yes, yes, yes, that's when they're gonna 455 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: He's gonna he's gonna have to leave. I think he's 456 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: gonna have you think, yeah, what do you think? 457 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: It seems to me that she really, really really likes him, 458 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: and I think if he gives her just a little 459 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: bit more, she will. 460 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: I think he's her pick, but I also feel like 461 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: she he's her pick because he's like playing hard to 462 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: get well, he's not playing it, he's just hard to get, 463 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: and I think that everybody he naturally likes that. 464 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 3: Interesting because I feel like that's more of a theme 465 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: for the Bachelor's and the girls normally choose who is. 466 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: Like, well, I think you chose somebody who was very 467 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: confident in like expressing feelings. So is that like more 468 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: your style? Like you like it when somebody says exactly 469 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: how they feel because I like a heart to get. 470 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Oh surprise, Well. 471 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: I do too, of course, like normally in real life. 472 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: But I was so scarred by my time on the Bachelor. Yeah, 473 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 3: with Clayton, in my opinion, like going after someone who 474 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: was like I don't want to be a part of 475 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: this and not giving him what he wanted. I'm like, 476 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go for the person who changes their 477 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: mind or who is unsure of me. So I was like, 478 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: all right, he's sure this has to be the right decision. 479 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: It wasn't. 480 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: Nobody there was your right decision, that's the bottom line. 481 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that was rough. That was rough. 482 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have ended up with any of those guys. 483 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: Let's move on to Marcus's home date hometown day. So 484 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: let's talk about last week's episode really quick, especially since 485 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: it's freshing your mind as you just caught up. I 486 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: was also not recapping last week because I had I 487 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: was on mom duty and I really wanted to talk 488 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: about Marcus's story, which was, you know, so sad. I 489 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: can't I can't even believe that there are people like 490 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 2: that that drop their kids off at daycare and they 491 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: don't come back. I'm beyond me. But then he never 492 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: clarified like what happened to the rest of his childhood 493 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: and whether he was adopted, and I was so interested 494 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: in how that turned out. We find out in this 495 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: episode that he was adopted because he said, my adoptive 496 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: parents won't be there, but these like elder friends of 497 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: mine will. What was your thoughts on that, you wonder 498 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: the same thing? Was I missing something? 499 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: No? It was horrific, and I was really glad. I 500 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: told Jen. She was crying. We were like in shock 501 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 3: because you would just never expect something like that ever. 502 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: Few times have I been watching the show and just 503 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: like I freeze in just in shock. 504 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: I know, and he's been through so much, He's a 505 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: veteran and to go through this. I was glad he 506 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: did get that time with Jen to tell her before hometowns. 507 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: It was, I mean horrific. I'm so glad he has 508 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: that relationship with his sister though, and you can really 509 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: tell in his hometown that he is surrounded really love him. 510 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: So that was really really amazing to see on this hometown. 511 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: My bad for saying that Devin was the standout of 512 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: this episode. It was actually the sister because there's something 513 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: that radiated off the sister that really. 514 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: When Jen started crying, like how comfortable she has to be, 515 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: like her presence and her energy. Yeah, that was such 516 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: a beautiful moment on this episode to like see Jen really, 517 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: like I feel like this is the first time she's 518 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: been like one hundred percent authentic, Like you could really 519 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 3: see the emotion and the fear and everything coming through, 520 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: and it's like really beautiful to watch her like get 521 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: to this point in the journey. 522 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: And I don't know whether it's because of the trauma 523 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: that she knows he went through, or whether it is 524 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: her the intensity of her feelings for him, but that 525 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: was the moment in which I said, Oh, Okay, Marcus 526 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: is her topic. 527 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: I agree. I think it's obvious that she has I 528 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: think she's like in love with him in this moment too. Yeah, 529 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: even though she doesn't say it, and she knows he's 530 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: falling and she's falling. But I think I think they're 531 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: both in love. But watching him spiral at the end 532 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: of this episode was actually pretty shocking after seeing such 533 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 3: an incredible home job. 534 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm curious as to what, like, you know, 535 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 2: I want to know more about his his life. I 536 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: don't know if we'll get it. It was also weird 537 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: that they and that's fine if some things he asked 538 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: to keep private, Like that's totally fine and like awesome 539 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: if they respected keeping certain things private, which may have 540 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: been why the adoptive parents weren't there. But but it 541 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: was weird that they would have eliminated his daytime portion 542 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: of the date. I thought we were going to get 543 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: a nighttime portion because you know how sometimes they like 544 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: have like a picnic or a barbecue and then they 545 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: do it at the night. And I was shocked that 546 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: we're not going to get that with Marcus of all people, 547 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: and they're going to give us this boy meeting at 548 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: a bar instead. So we got we got the group 549 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: the boy group chat instead of whatever they did, and 550 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: all it was supposed. 551 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: To do was make Marcus Spire was. 552 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: Make Mark feel probably worse and weirder for not being there, 553 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: you know, not having those feelings there yet. But like 554 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: I just didn't think we needed We just did. We 555 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: didn't need to see it. They could have taped it, 556 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: but it wasn't It wasn't very consequential. 557 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: I just think I wrote like even down, like this 558 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: is so unnecessary because I remember being at this point 559 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: on The Bachelor and everyone being like, all right, this 560 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: is the time and the journey where yeah, you see 561 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: your friends and it's nice like in passing, but it 562 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: is all about your relationship and you need to be 563 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: focusing on that. And I feel like this is hindering everyone. 564 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: Why do they need to be hearing about the hometown 565 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: and who loves who? Like? It just is going to 566 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 3: affect everything negatively. I don't understand it. 567 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: Do you think that possibly we're looking at it in 568 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: an interesting way because we're looking at it as a 569 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: way of Mark is to kind of start to go 570 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: go even further down the whirlpool of worry, Or you 571 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: think that they possibly were trying to get this is 572 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: my producer brand hat. Do you think that they were 573 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: trying to get his doubts to get into the heads 574 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: of the other guys and be like, oh, wait a second, 575 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm also doubting because that's kind of what the next 576 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: episode looks like. 577 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: I don't maybe I just feel like when you have 578 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: a bunch of guys, especially around someone like, for example, Devin, 579 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: who has this like my hometown went great, it went perfect, 580 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: it went this, and then even if you think yours 581 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: went well, all the other guys are going to start 582 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: getting in their head. So it just feels like, what 583 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: was the point of this, because Jen is getting engaged 584 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: at the end of this, Why are we going. 585 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: To make guys feel ways about each other. There's no 586 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: need for guys to feel ways about each other right 587 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: now because they're going to be so separate, and it's. 588 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: Just like they start to really get in their head. Like, actually, 589 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: I remember my overnight dates people telling me like, oh, 590 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: we just thought you would already pick Tino because he's 591 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: so confident in the way he speaks, and it's just like, 592 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: no one needs to be around each other at this 593 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: late in the journey, like in my opinion, but. 594 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: Then you also are getting a lot more alone time, 595 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: just you and your own brain, because beforehand it's constantly 596 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: social hour and now at this point you're in a 597 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: hotel room by yourself most of the day. 598 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. 599 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: Well, okay, so at the end of the episode, I'm 600 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm wondering after this conversation whether one of the guys 601 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: is gonna bring this up to her. And I thought 602 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: it could have been Jeremy when he got eliminated sitting 603 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: to hert with her on the bench, but it seemed 604 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: to not bring up I mean, nobody said anything yet. 605 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: Do you think that these guys are just gonna blow 606 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: it off or do you think that this could be 607 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: something that comes back up, like hey, we had beers 608 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: the other day in mar Because it is like he's 609 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: not so sure. 610 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: I feel like if it does come up, it could 611 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: be like maybe in her overnights, like when the camera's off. Yeah, 612 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: I know that's when things were brought to me. Yeah, 613 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: because at this point, I feel like the drama like 614 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: they're not trying to make drama anymore. It's like, can 615 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: I get engaged in four days because at this point, 616 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: like how many days are left? Yeah, I would be 617 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: shocked if it is brought up on here. 618 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: I don't think it will be but again, just why 619 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: do it with the other guys? It just felt weird. 620 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: I wonder if his hometown date was like a total 621 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: bus and it was really bad TV and they're just like, oh, 622 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: we can throw this out. 623 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: Well, also, like it just feels weird that everything was 624 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 3: happening during the day. 625 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so they had already done it during the day, 626 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: but during the night time, but they may have had 627 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: who knows what happens at night. Yeah, Brad Dowton had 628 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: it at night. 629 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. I normally feel like all mine are at night. No, the. 630 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: Family part is at night, and then the daytime date 631 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: is all during the day. 632 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. It just was cut short so we got to 633 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: see Happy Hour. 634 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but weird next week but next week well okay, 635 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: well John Jeremy was eliminated and nobody was surprised. Absolutely 636 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: nobody was surprised. He handled it beautifully though, Wasn't he 637 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: just so kind? 638 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: He was? And I loved how they try to make 639 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: kids seem like is it going to be Marcus, Like, no, 640 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: Marcus is not going home, Like he was standing up 641 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: at all the camera angles. But I think Jeremy was 642 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: just happy to be there at this point. 643 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was very He's handled super sweet. He 644 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: was like, you're the best, Like I had the greatest 645 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: time with you all these you know, he basically said, 646 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 2: like I just want you to end up with somebody 647 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: happy over there. It was all great, and then we 648 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: can get into the scenes to the next episode, you know, 649 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: all mental? Can we just can we just really eliminate 650 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: this so nobody needs it anymore? 651 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: Mental? Yeah, I mean I do want to see her 652 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: Sam to fill Yes, I. 653 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: Am as sure a fool, an absolute fool insanity. 654 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then him doubling down online and his. 655 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: Family can you fill me in on that? 656 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: So he is very upset about his edit. 657 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: I know. And then the family said that you'll find 658 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: out why he's so upset, and they. 659 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 3: Were like basically kind of shading Jen a little bit 660 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 3: and saying she's not as perfect as they edit her. 661 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 3: I just I would love to know the lens that 662 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 3: Sam sees himself through that what he was saying wasn't 663 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: real because you said that, like you were the one 664 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: that said you wish Daisy and Maria. 665 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 2: Were there and that ever heard wildest thing. Why would 666 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: you say that? And also like could you be more 667 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: stunning then? Jen? Like you know genuinely. 668 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: I mean, all three so beautiful and for you to 669 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: be like she's not my type. 670 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 2: How no, no, Like this is what I was saying to 671 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: my friends this weekend when this was brought up. I 672 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: was like, Chris Soles wasn't my type, but he's so hot. 673 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: I was like, I can that. I was like, if 674 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: I gonna pull up in the limo, like, I was like, Okay, 675 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: he's hot, he's good looking, you know. I was like, yeah, 676 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 2: I think I like him. You pull up in that 677 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: limo and I was like, that's the most stunning man 678 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I don't care that he's like you know, yeah, 679 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: it's just like a blonde guy like he's not. It 680 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 2: doesn't matter because you know, I'm like, you know, I 681 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: was like, you know, Jared and Jonathan and those are like, 682 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 2: that's my typical type. It doesn't matter. There's a certain 683 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: point where somebody's so attractive that doesn't matter if it's 684 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: your type or not. 685 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: I you agreed, Jenney. If we were talking to we're like, 686 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 3: we were told we're like getting Andrew and Greg. We 687 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 3: were like Andrew Greg and then all of a sudden 688 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: we had Clayton. We didn't even know who he was. 689 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 3: Michelle Seys didn't even air and then all of a 690 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: sudden we pull up and I'm like, oh my gosh, 691 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 3: like you are so attracted. Yeah, it doesn't just because 692 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting it. 693 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 694 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 3: I never went up to him. Was like, you know, 695 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 3: I heard Andrew Spencer was supposed to be like, you 696 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 3: just don't say that, like what I Molly Messig's face 697 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: is everything to the way she was like, I do 698 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: not believe you're speaking to her like that. 699 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: I wish that I was in the control room when 700 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: that was said, because everybody was like laughing, gasping, draws 701 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: on the ground. They couldn't believe that. They just got 702 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: content like that. 703 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: And he did that himself. No one edited him. 704 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: Why wild Wild? Yes, Okay, so next week we do 705 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: have Mentella where all these things we addressed, but we 706 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 2: also I cannot wait for fantasy suites where we see 707 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: every guy's like, I don't know how to get there 708 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: with you. And then she says, what am I doing wrong? 709 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 2: Like am I doing something? And I don't. I don't think. 710 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: So I really feel like her time with Devon isn't 711 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: gonna go poorly. 712 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: You think it's gonna go well. 713 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 3: I think her interview is saying doing something wrong, is 714 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 3: talking about Marcus. 715 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: Okay, I think agree. I think that Jonathan and Devon 716 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: it's gonna go well. I think it's probably it's all 717 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: frank and bitten. You know, that's what they call it. 718 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: When they like put the they're manipulating it to sound 719 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: a certain way. Yeah, but then again, I can also 720 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: see Devin and now I'm just like word vomiting. I 721 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: can see Devon kind of showing a different side to 722 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: himself in the Fantasy Suite when the cameras are off. 723 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: I feel like that's such a hard thing to do. Like, 724 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 3: I love when people talk about this because I've been 725 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: accused of this. 726 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I've been accused of this. 727 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: I think you. 728 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 2: Were accused of being totally different in the Fantasy Suite. 729 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 3: There is every every one I've been to the Fantasy 730 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: Suite with, it's the same. It feels the same to me. 731 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: The person remains to be the same person. 732 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you learn things, like you definitely are 733 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 3: talking about different things that you wouldn't normally talk about 734 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 3: on camera. I think that is a different conversation. But 735 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 3: I've never experienced like closing a door being like someone 736 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 3: just has a mask off, Like, yeah, I think you 737 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 3: kind of have an idea of them. At a point, 738 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: I think Devin's going to keep up this, like it's 739 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: almost at this point he's kind of like the perfect 740 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: playing it right, Like, yeah, it's going to be the 741 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: same into the Fantasy Suite. 742 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 2: Okay, do you think that Marcus is going to make 743 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: it into the Fantasy Suite because obviously they're tough. Conversation 744 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: happens before it. 745 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 3: I think the Fantasy Suite is a great time to 746 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 3: do that, to have that off camera time, you. 747 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: Should go to the Fantasy Suite. Yeah, but will they 748 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 2: even make it? Is it going to be too awkward 749 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 2: to even get in there. 750 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 3: I think it could maybe play out a way of 751 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 3: like Gabby and Jason's where they kind of had a 752 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: fight before and Gabby was like, all right, can we 753 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: please just go talk about this in private? Yeah, And 754 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 3: I think when he gets maybe into a room with 755 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 3: her and realizes like it's just her, he might chill 756 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: out a little bit. Yeah, because emotions can just be 757 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: really high with this engagement kind of looming. But when 758 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 3: you get that moment to go he might be able 759 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: to like realize that it's just her and it's it's 760 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 3: all right. But it did not look good from what 761 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: we've seen. So this is just me being. 762 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: Hopeful this from the girl that just totally forced Jared 763 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: into a fantasy suite. But like my point of view 764 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: on fantasy suites is just go there, yes, because nothing 765 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 2: needs to happen physically, but you can like find out 766 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 2: so much about the person and just it's it. I 767 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: think it's important, agreed, because you can eliminate those one 768 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 2: because if Marcus doesn't go in there, then they could 769 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: have like these lingering feelings of like what if we 770 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: talked about this, or like what if we did have 771 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 2: alone time, would it turn out any differently? And it's 772 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 2: like makes people feel a sense of like closure, a 773 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 2: better sense of closure. 774 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. I feel like at this point, like even 775 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 3: if it goes as bad as like one of mine did, 776 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: like you owe it to yourself, like you have had 777 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 3: such a strong relationship like to really close the door 778 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: and just have that moment of like an off camera conversation. 779 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: I think they both owe it to each other, So 780 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: I think they will. 781 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 2: But Okay, I. 782 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 3: Think I think it's going to be very, very interesting 783 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 3: before and it sucks that we won't be able to 784 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 3: see the inside because I'm sure it will be an 785 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 3: insane conversation. 786 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Rachel, Well, my final question for you, and I'm 787 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 2: sorry if you had this discussion with Ben, but maybe 788 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: it's changed now. What do you see the ending the 789 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: season looking like. 790 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 3: What I wish? My fantasy is that she would pick Jonathan, 791 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 3: but I think at this point, if Marcus gives her 792 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 3: what she needs, it will be Marcus. 793 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 2: Okay, my theory has evolved a bit now. Ben and 794 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 2: I have just been saying all season long, she's not 795 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: ending up with anyone. She's not ending up with anyone, 796 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 2: and I thought that perhaps it was because she didn't 797 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: feel enough for anyone, And now I think that she 798 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 2: knows that Marcus is the one that she wants to pick, 799 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: and he's gonna leave, and then she realizes that she 800 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: can never get to where she felt with Marcus with 801 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 2: one of the other two guys, and she's like, I'm 802 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 2: sorry in the game of comparison, like I know I 803 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 2: can't settle for a second place, and I'm just gonna 804 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 2: have to go out in the world and find whoever 805 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 2: does compare to Marcus. That would be wild and it 806 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 2: would perhaps be the first time it ever happened. 807 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 3: Right, No, it would because you feel so much pressure 808 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 3: no matter what, to have that engagement. 809 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember, I don't know if you watched 810 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 2: back in the day, but what does desiree? People thought 811 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 2: that Brooks was her number one, like the entire season, 812 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: and so it felt like she was settling when she 813 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 2: ended up going with Chris. But then, like you know, 814 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 2: you talked to does these days She's like, or like 815 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: even then, not not just these days. She was like, No, 816 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 2: that's just the way that they made it seem like 817 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 2: I was pretty certain it was Chris the entire time. 818 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 2: But that would be the most similar storyline that I 819 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 2: can think of right off the bat. But you know, 820 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 2: let me think about it for the rest of the day. 821 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody might prop it in my head. 822 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 3: No, I agree. Even my season, I feel like people 823 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 3: were like never saw my connection with Aban, Like it 824 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 3: was just not shown and the people were like so 825 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 3: confident who the final person was. But I like was 826 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 3: truly like leaning his direction for a majority of the 827 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 3: time until like everything. 828 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 2: Myself, really you were towards eight towards Avan. 829 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, but I mean the way they added Obviously 830 00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 3: I did end up with Tina, so like you can 831 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 3: understand maybe why certain things weren't shown as much. But 832 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 3: I think there are connections that can be very strong 833 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 3: that they don't necessarily completely show. 834 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, good times, Rachel, good times. All right, well it's 835 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: before you know, it'll be here. We will have our answer. 836 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 2: We will have our answer in two weeks. 837 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 838 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 2: That is the fastest season ever, feels like it. Okay, well, 839 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 2: stay tuned and until then, I've been Ashley, she's been 840 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 2: Rachel and she's awesome. And we'll see you next time. Bye. 841 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 842 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.