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Speaker 1: my favorite camp getting up. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation.

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Speaker 1: Glenn Thurman, Hey, how you doing pretty good? My friend?

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Speaker 1: to your career before we really get into it, because

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Speaker 1: I really want people, you know, we have to say

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Speaker 1: an amazing journey. It is an amazing journey. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you, first of all, thank you for all the

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Speaker 1: kind words, uh that you used to describe me. And

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Speaker 1: I was I'm just a young kid from Holland, New

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Speaker 1: that's that's the impression I've always gotten, you know from

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Speaker 1: you you make me smile, Glenn, And that's that's something,

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Speaker 1: I digress. Let's go back to you. Why you really

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Speaker 1: fun conversation, Justine. I saw the movie on Netflix. Uh

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Justine. Let's talk about a moving piece.

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Speaker 1: Because one of the stars of the series was physically disabled,

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Speaker 1: and did you physically This is why I like that.

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Speaker 1: This is what my take on him. You had the

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Speaker 1: my goodness, those two child actors. That little boy. Don't

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Speaker 1: you know when when I be watching, because i've been fortunately,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the two kids who played my grandkids. Yes, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're wonderful, as well as the girl who

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Speaker 1: When I see extra that is being added in a

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Speaker 1: are fearless and they're natural at it, and so that's

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Speaker 1: become teenagers that I don't want to act anyone. That's

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Speaker 1: their right. But boy, what I saw in this movie

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Speaker 1: and you executive produced it, what were you part of

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Speaker 1: the casting process? To Glenn, No, I must say that

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Speaker 1: I was not. I was not. That was all Stephanie Turner.

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Speaker 1: And she as an actress who was tired of not

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Speaker 1: I would be able to, you know, to see something

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Speaker 1: of it. And I did as soon as I read it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a wonderful, wonderful story. Like you said that,

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Speaker 1: in so many different ways, and that was really it's

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Speaker 1: understand it, but which is great for the character, because

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Speaker 1: everybody tries that sometimes people in general, people do that.

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Speaker 1: problem here? Did you hear it? And it's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: This movie is about challenging the process, challenging racism, challenging

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Speaker 1: living it or working in an environment that you really

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Speaker 1: And then when somebody asked to hear the truth, guess

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Speaker 1: what it can come out of like a hot fall

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Speaker 1: of water. And that's what they did. And uh, but

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Speaker 1: I just like to say, my my my main thing

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Speaker 1: and bring you on the show. Glenn. First of all

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Speaker 1: was just to introduce myself to you, tell you I'm

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Speaker 1: a friend. Secondly, let you know that the impact that

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Speaker 1: you have and we'll have in this industry is a blessing.

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Speaker 1: Um this movie, Justine, as soon as they told me

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Speaker 1: you was for the show, I immediately watched it, enjoyed it,

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Speaker 1: and I got my wife to watch it. She enjoyed it,

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Speaker 1: and so absolutely, absolutely, absolutely absolutely you know, you know

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Speaker 1: because it's your body of work. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: my favorite scene in that movie was when you when

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Speaker 1: you when you when when you was with the therapist

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Speaker 1: and you closed that door. That to me, I mean

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Speaker 1: this guy, I don't know if he is he acting

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Speaker 1: now or he just being here set And that's the

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Speaker 1: beauty of your skill, Glenn. And don't change and ask

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Speaker 1: you one question. Don't don't forget, don't forget the uh

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Speaker 1: this this this situation here it shut us down like

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Speaker 1: it did all of Hollywood. You're talking at the big

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Speaker 1: movie you No, No, I'm talking about Fargo. Actually absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ris Rocke is Chris rock and here doing as center

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Speaker 1: on farg on great. When do you guys see Chris

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Speaker 1: and this serious role. It's really really selling that I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to. Yeah, they upcoming taught you the fourth

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Speaker 1: season of Fargo, Yes, after you played Dr Singer, Absolutely

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Speaker 1: Wasson produced adaptation of August Wilson Award winning Marl Rainey's

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Speaker 1: Black Bottom. You know you got to lead, man, Look

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Speaker 1: time to everything I did, well do do my favorite Glenn,

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Speaker 1: almost a million followers, a two or thousand FANCI members,

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Speaker 1: you and don't change. Thanks, Thank you man, thank you

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