WEBVTT - Mini Crush #36 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.240 Hey, everybody, welcome to movie Crush special a dish. Uh. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.640 It is Monday morning and I am drinking a triple 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:39.240 latte with a with a healthy splash of booze. No, no, no, 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.560 I'm not a morning drinker. Nol. No man, I don't. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.279 Can you imagine those madmen? No man, I would be 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.599 asleep by lunchtime. I'm not a big day drinker anymore. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.200 I can't do it. Well, here's the thing. Nothing better 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.080 than a day buds, a day drink um or two 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.200 is great, like son is out. You're on a patio, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.440 it's nice, get a get a couple of drinks in you. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.800 That is the best. But you're on a boat. You know, great, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.000 But you know, I get so tired now and it's 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.800 like it's kind of thing where unless you just keep 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.800 that train going this evening. You have a few drinks 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.160 at two, and then by thirty you're like, come out, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.039 what do I do? Uh? And then keeping that train going, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.080 that's a dangerous game too. It's a very dangerous, the 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.119 most dangerous game. It's a gambit gamp. It is that 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.280 is that. The word is absolutely a word. And a 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.040 Marvel character who threw uh fire cards and he's from 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.640 New Orleans. Yeah, a trench coat. I used to like 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.880 him a lot. Let what's the definition here? A device, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.959 action or opening remark, typically one entailing a degree of risk. Okay, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.360 that is calculated to gain advantage. I don't know about that. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.560 Maybe it may not be a game, but it's a 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:55.120 living language. My friend Malleable, someone posted a picture of 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.600 Justin Bieber looking like Hi from Raising Arizona. Did you 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.320 see that? Isn't that funny? That is pretty funny. He's 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.280 just like the Hawaiian shirt. Everybody looked that up. That's 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.120 very funny. And his hair is long and he's got 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:13.560 a mustache. Yeah. Thank I gotta thank Jasmine Spearing for 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:19.280 this on the Movie Crushers page. Um, she posted, I 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.880 guess Justin Bieber tweeted stop sending me this ship and 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.880 it's a picture of that side by side of of 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.600 Nick Cage as Hi mcdonnov Fromraising Arizona and himself looking 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.320 just like him. So that's pretty funny. I guess Justin 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.160 Bieb the Beabs is getting barraged and is upset, unless 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.799 he's just getting around, but either way, that's great. All right, everyone, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.560 This is a very special edition, like I said, UM, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.320 and I'm gonna tell you what's going on here. I 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.680 have in my hand a piece of paper, a series 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:56.440 of pieces of paper, very awkward way to say, a 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.120 stack of paper. And this is UM, I came, here's 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.000 what this is. This is from nineteen the mid nineteen nineties. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.960 I've gotta be very vague with this, I think, uh. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:14.720 And this was a letter to a Hollywood director and 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.400 it is from a Hollywood producer with the subject line 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.680 I wish I could name these names. It's a memo 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:29.760 to director, memo from producer. Subject line um character casting. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.200 And it is a inside look at, at least in 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:41.320 the mid nineties, how men talked about women in Hollywood 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:47.320 and about casting women in Hollywood. I came into um 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:53.000 ownership of this memo. Let's call it the casting memo 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:59.480 that sounds salacious. UH. I came to acquire this many 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.000 many years ago, probably about probably only a few years 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.680 after this memo UH was was sent. And I've always 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.640 read it and thought it was sort of funny. But now, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.840 in the age of the Me Too movement and Hollywood 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.640 creeps and jerks being exposed, it's I see it in 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.960 a bit of a different light. So here's what I'm 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.240 gonna do everyone this episode. I'm just gonna read this 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.440 whole thing to give everyone an inside peak of what 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.080 Hollywood is like on the inside, or at least how 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.560 it was in the mid nineties. And I bet still 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:38.320 lives in the circles. How about that. I'm readying word forward. Uh, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.800 and I'm gonna read the actresses names because uh, you know, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.320 I think that's important. This is a one two three. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:53.200 There's a page memo. Everyone here we go, dear name 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.280 or dacted in the wake of Elizabeth Shoe's decision. So 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.720 here's what happened. I guess is Elizabeth Shoe backed out 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.080 of a MOVI me and they need to recast this 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.520 part in this film. In the wake of Elizabeth Shoo's decision. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.880 Thought i'd take a moment to recap some of the 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.159 character potentials we discussed last night and a bit more detail, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.400 and if you'll indulge me, discuss an approach to casting 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.440 this role that I feel would favor us with a 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.600 positive response the next time we pop the question. I'm 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.599 assuming he doesn't mean getting married to one another. This 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.919 list largely the product of brainstorming with name redacted and 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.520 name redacted. Does not take into consideration any availability issues, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.600 nor does it deal with a matter of price quotes. Uh, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.520 like they're shopping for a car. It is designed merely 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.240 to generate discussion on two fronts, the suitability of the 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.360 actress for the role and the impact each actress might 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.719 have on the overall profile for the film. Here goes 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:56.000 in alphabetical order. Patricia Arquette colon. When you indicated that 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.200 she might not be any more interesting than Ashley Judd, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.880 come inclined to agree. However, my belief is that her 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.039 profile is somewhat higher than Judd's, and that might help 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.240 give the bigger names were considering for supporting casts the 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.440 comfort level they require to jump on board. All right, 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.040 that's not too bad. Maybe not very nice too, called 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:22.960 Patricia Arquette or Ashley Judd. Uh, not super interesting, But 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:28.760 that's fine. Drew Barrymore, What do you got? Oh no, no, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.359 I don't know. I just feel like this reads like 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.320 some sort of like horse trading document or something like that. Yeah, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.640 it's a little bit. I mean, we'll just let people 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.880 make it their minds. I'm just gonna read it. Drew Barrymore. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.800 We didn't discuss her yesterday, but thought we'd mentioned her now. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.400 She too young, too, TARTI. We certainly could believe her 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:50.159 as the sort who would bunk with the other character 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.680 or anyone else in the film for that matter, after 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.160 a first meeting, And by bunk with this producer means 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.760 sleep with. But is she capable of holding anything in reserve? 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.200 Or she simply two on the nose and two out there, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.680 Sandra Bullock, she could do a good job with this, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.840 but I agree with you when you say it's probably 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.840 not in the cards. However, if you thought she was 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.640 the one, don't see how it hurts to pop the question. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.040 I don't think this producer knows will pop the question 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.440 means specifically means fucking ask someone to marry. Yeah, but 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.040 you know, but maybe like in the Hollywood parlance, that 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.640 means as them to be in your movie. Yeah, what 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.239 a dummy? Uh see how it hurts the pop the question. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.360 Her people at her agency can and do give quick answers, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.320 and to the best of my knowledge, she's uh yet 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.720 to work with a world class director. You never know, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:47.760 Ellipsus Cameron Diaz believe she's on the brink of becoming 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.520 a very big movie star. And has resisted doing fluff 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.040 parts in stupid movies for big money since her breakout 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.880 roll in The Mask, the Jim Carrey picture. She really 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.120 tries hard and it's very serious about her work. Well, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.360 that's very nice. This is no actress model bimbo. She's 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.440 good people too. And for the age thing. Remember the 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.760 part uh is part girl, part woman. Switches easily between 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.440 the two. All right, that's actually very kind. Cammie Diaz 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.160 is no actress model. Bimbo's good people know. It's good 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:27.040 to know. Uh, And Hesh, it's clearly mid nineties. Obviously, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.000 this is only if we go the no name route. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.400 Do we know at this point is if such an 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.480 option is even available to us. I've not seen her work, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.720 but I know a number of people with good taste 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.800 who thinks she's terrific. Definitely a woman on the way up. Okay, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.000 and Hesh, And by the way, I didn't. This is 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.800 not all just an indictment. This is just an insider peak. Wait, wait, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.160 how did you acquire this document? Chuck? I can't say. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.280 You can't say no. I'm just gonna I don't want 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.920 anyone to ever get in trouble, So I'm just uh it. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.360 I found it in a bottle on a seashore. It 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.360 because that that that is how Hollywood memos are delivered, right, 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:11.280 Ashley Judd. I think she's okay, but does her participation 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.800 put bigger name supporting potentials out of reach? Does she 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.640 really have the chops? Is she the real stuff? I'm 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:22.120 not yet convinced. I'm not sure she can bring the layers, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.640 the mystery, and the uh. He says magic, but I 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.880 assume he means magic to the character that would make 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.080 her truly memorable. I think you should definitely look at 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.040 a good bit of tape on her before committing It. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.600 Troubles me a bit that her best reviews by a 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.800 wide margin, came in her breakout film, her breakthrough film, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.560 Ruby in Paradise, and that she hasn't garnered nearly as 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:52.800 much critical praise since Gwyneth Paltrow after Julia Roberts my 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.840 personal number two choice, audiences adore her, and more importantly, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.800 this girl is the real deal. I heard you when 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.640 she said that she was in communicado for the next 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.600 three weeks, and I wouldn't dream of suggesting we wait 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.079 for her to surface. Could we consider going outside regular channels? 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.719 I e. Her family rather than her agency to get 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:20.240 to her quicker Julia Roberts. Everyone we know this person 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.280 wants Julia Roberts as the number one choice. Here's what 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:28.679 he has to say. Um the name redact, character redacted 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:35.439 for the ages to the manner born, who writes that 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.880 what does that even mean to the manner born? Have 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.920 no idea, manner m A n O R to the 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.040 manner is that it's saying a manner like a like 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.120 an estate that no, I don't know, I have no idea, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.439 makes no sense. Yeah, I don't get that. Someone explained 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.120 that to me on Facebook. If if you know what 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.319 that means to the manner born, Julia flat out knows. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:03.880 This girl underlined, I promise you. Granted we're talking money, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:09.920 we're talking agency posturing, et cetera, but name redacted. I 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.000 truly believe that if you laid out all the parameters 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:18.000 were dealing with to the agents with a phone call, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.400 a prompt and positive response is within the realm of possibility. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.439 Do not forget for a moment that the girl adores 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.880 you and has the utmost respect for you. She also 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.200 guarantees a big opening weekend or two and when we 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.160 make a great film. On top of that, you'll be 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.600 in back end heaven. That sounds like fun, yeah to 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.880 the manner born. Uh yeah it is. It's like I 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.640 think it's a sounds like a British phrase meeting destined 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.439 to be suited to something by virtue of birth or 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.560 custom and practice. So you can actually spell it both 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.160 ways m A n n e r or m A 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.840 n o R m o o r meaning more of 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.000 the birthright and the class kind of of echelon of actress. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:10.080 That well, yes, that's a little clue. Everyone, very downtain 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.520 abbey kind. It might be a brit who wrote this memo. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.240 I know that everyone's gonna take this is just a 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:22.560 big like puzzle to be solved. Well, you know, and 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.679 I don't like that. Everyone movie crushers, get get out 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.240 on this. Yeah, dudes, get a get a murder wall 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:32.000 going on this. It would be wonderful. Where were we here? 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.880 Oh yeah, we were in back in heaven. I could 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.840 have forgetten all, although I know that you could give 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.079 a damn about that score. So another clue. I guess 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.120 a director who doesn't care about money and back end 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.440 this is actually this could be a fun game. Please 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:53.480 think about this one eclipses when owner writer in my 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:59.640 book the ultimate woman child child woman in movies today, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:05.480 she's a real woman child. What is that from? Is that? 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.800 Don't read? Is that? I think? So? Wow? I'm not 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.840 really sure why you think she's not right for this character. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.240 I think she has real talent and works very hard. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.360 What do you got for me? Sorry? Am so it's 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.520 crush with eyeliner. She's a real woman, right. I love 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.680 that song. I sensed the collaboration between you two would 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:32.200 be extraordinary and would result in her giving a memorable performance. Moreover, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.760 I think she's one of the handful of people on 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:39.040 this list would absolutely no problem holding her own with 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.319 lead actor name redacted. People are like, now, just give 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:49.000 us that glue. Sorry, everyone, mirror Sorvino an intelligent, committed performer. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.320 Uh think she's about the work and not about price 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:58.560 and perk jive, perk jive. Yeah, you know all that 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.720 price and perk jive, give me perks, give me money, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.360 that job, all that job. Now, I don't I have 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.400 no idea where this guy's from now. UH don't know 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.520 that she's among the more natural choices for this particular role. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.720 But with your help. I'm confident she would be more 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.560 than credible. H if we use her? How do we 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:21.400 keep her boyfriend off the set? Wow? I don't even 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.440 know because that guy's trouble. I'm gonna look up. Actually, Uh, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.040 we're gonna break and I'm gonna come back in one 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.160 second because I gotta look up who this who this 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.760 person dated in the mid nineties. We'll be right back. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.320 All right, I'm back everyone. If this memo was written 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:51.920 when it says, Wow, I'm gonna tell Noel, you all 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.080 are so mad at me right now. I'm so sorry 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.160 that I can't just the bulge clues left and right. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.000 So I'm gonna tell Nol uh. And we're gonna play 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.000 a some elevator music for one moment while while Nolan 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:15.440 I have a ten second discussion. All right, Nol, He's well, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.320 I'll say this. He was he It wasn't is a 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.480 very famous director's tour. They didn't want on set. No, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.520 I mean they didn't want him to like micromanage their shoot. Right. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.880 He might like you, he was gonna walk in and say, like, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.760 why is that camera there? Maybe? Man, this is getting good. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:37.960 Everything guy's reputation precedes him. Uh, Uma Thurman other producer 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.160 Nam red acted as a big fan. I'm not so sure. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.520 She's a bit of a cipher to me, and I 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.600 can never tell if she's all on the surface or 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.880 if there's something really going on there. Maybe that's a 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.280 plus for this part. Still don't know if she's a 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:57.400 real actor, but think she might work. Uma. Yeah, she's 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.880 a real actor at this chance. She's great. A cipher 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.360 who was this person? Who was this wizard? Using all 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.520 these weird terms, yeah, cipher's cool. Cipher is means sort 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.120 of like a like a like a husk, right, like 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.280 sort of like a well, the idea of a thing 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.080 and not the actual thing itself. The true cipher is 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:19.000 a is a like disguising like a code, So she 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.120 just like an enigma. You know what else? I love 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.000 that the use of the word cipher for like a 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.920 rap lyric like a freestyle is called a cipher. Oh, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.520 really nice, which makes sense because like you know, there's 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.760 a lot of double entendres and wrap and like a 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.960 lot of like hidden kind of like messages that you 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.120 have to sort of know, you know, the context in 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.680 order to like pull out. So that makes sense they 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.120 would use it for them like a good double entente. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.760 All right, Charlie Scarren, the girl here refers to as girls. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.640 That's sort of annoying. The girl from Two Days in 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.760 the Valley I didn't see it, but here she's really good. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:59.280 Definitely a babe, definitely capable of the film fatale thing. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.360 From everything I've heard. Tom Hanks caster in the movie. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.240 Uh he currently has out and she's the female lead 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:11.040 opposite either Christian Slater or Jason Patrick. I forget which 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:16.359 in a high profile movie. Definitely a star ascendant. Maybe 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.440 Two Days in the Valley is worth your having a look. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.720 I don't know. I kind of feel like the girl 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.160 is sort of like a Hollywood trope in a way. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.440 I remember in Mulholland Drive where they're like, this is 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.320 the girl, Yeah, this is the girl. Yeah. I have 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.719 a feeling like that said it is, but also just 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:38.400 sort of an example of Hollywood's just sort of history 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:44.760 of ownership and misogyny and and more than misogyny, misanthropy, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:50.119 you know, in general, like actors are cattle, they're not 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.320 even people. Well they call it a casting call, right, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.560 which is like a cattle call. Yeah, I mean, and 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.680 I mean some directors are not like that. But I 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.320 know there are many directors very famously that just like 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.359 the thing that always weirds me. I've never I've never 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.639 been to one, but you see him in in movies 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.080 that are depicting this stuff. Like the casting call is 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.800 so strange because you'll have like, you know, dozens of 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.840 women or or or men all look the same and 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.560 they're all auditioning for the same thing, and they're all 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.160 wearing the same kind of like outfit or whatever. Well 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.080 that's a trope, yeah, absolutely, but it's true. It's true. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.639 But that's what makes it feel like a cow call 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.880 because it's like all of these like very homogeneous looking creatures. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.840 Just they're kind of moving and doing their lines. You know, man, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.400 that's what it's like to It's very depressing. And that's 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.720 the trope in movies is it's always very depressing because 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.320 the actor is all excited about the au dish walks 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.399 in and sees thirty of them in the room and 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.280 just is deflated. But they're also the ones that they 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.280 think it's so clever that they wore the vast or 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.399 whatever because it's like a cowboy roll or something, or 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.800 that they like went the extra mon But everyone. I 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.840 think that's actually that's a specific one and I can't 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.000 probably that's from but that's you know, that's been a 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.760 bunch of I think so. Um. I occasionally in my 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.800 old days as a as a p A, would get 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.120 wrangled into shooting auditions and casting sessions and stuff like that, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.920 and uh, I always always just felt bad. There's nothing 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.359 I can't imagine anything in the at least film industry wise, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:20.760 quite so intimidating as the audition process just awful. I'll 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.560 never do it, alright. So that's uh. Charlie's Robin Wright. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:34.840 One of producer name redacted's faiths favor Raves. I wish 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.200 I want to do some more research on this person 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.080 and their wizardry with the English language. One of the 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.520 producers favor Rapes. But I agree with you when you 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.680 say she's too old. No, would you do me a 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.159 favorite look up how old Robin Wright was in the 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.840 mid nineties and for and by the way, I'm not 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.760 I'm gonna say like thirty two or thirty five of them, 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.320 Oh dude, I'm gonna say twenty eight. Really yeah, it's 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.560 gonna go find out. I mean, she was born in 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:08.040 sixty six, so do the birthday math. She was she 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:13.160 was twenty nine or thirty, And hey, I'm not saying like, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:15.800 oh she said she swold. She may have been too 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.720 old for this part for sure. Um, so I'm not. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.680 I'm not being overly crepy. Yeah. But at the same time, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.480 like with dudes, it's it's like that math doesn't seem 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.080 to apply. Like DiCaprio gets to play an old man 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.600 or a young buck still too, they're like, all who 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:35.720 cares he's Leo? Yeah, yeah, you're right, Um, she's too old. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.639 I also here that she can be somewhat difficult to 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.000 work with, that she can be a bit of a 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:47.280 strange one, not necessarily a team player. M hm. Renee Zellwigger, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.919 the semi unknown who's about to break out and the 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.640 Tom Cruise picture opening in a few weeks. He's talking 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.400 about Jerry McGuire here. I've heard a lot of good 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.200 things about her, but have yet to see her myself. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.600 I'm sure if you wanted to see the whose picture 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:11.200 it could be easily arranged. So that's the list. Now, 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.400 let me take a moment to ask you to consider 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.320 a somewhat different approach to getting our character name redacted. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.440 I think that we might have a few problems getting 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.840 the answer we want if we go through go through 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.439 the through channels agent route. By simply submitting the offer 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.359 and the script and leaving it at that. I realized, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.880 that's quote how it's done end quote. But it's not 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.280 how you've always done it. How many times have you 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.040 cast major talent over the years without the benefit of 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.600 a completed, finally polished script A lot and you didn't 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.560 always know the actor have previous working experience with him either. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.680 How did you do it by telling them your vision 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.280 of the film and your take on their character. I'm 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.000 telling you, when you communicate in this fashion with an actor, 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.000 it is truly compelling stuff, and they get really excited. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:05.359 I did you know It's funny is that at this 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.840 point in this director's career, he's sort of legendary already, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.200 and this producer is talking to this director about something 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.359 that he's sort of already mastered. Very funny. Uh. They're 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.200 seduced not just by your vision name redacted, but also 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.280 by your considerable charm. I've seen you in this mode, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.440 and when you've got it going, you could sell Rice 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:32.200 to the Japanese. Oh lord, I can't help but think 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.600 that if you had the opportunity to meet with Elizabeth 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.960 Sho and then handed her a script, that we would 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.880 have received a different answer. And such an approach will 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.160 give a performer the backbone to stand up to their 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.480 agents and managers when the sons of bitches tell their 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:52.800 clients to stay away because they're not getting their rate 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.960 or because they don't think the script is quite there yet, 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:01.080 the sons of bitches nol. I like that. I think 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.760 that this can work, and I think this is a 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.959 valid way to proceed. But I think that way because 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:12.320 I know that you are all capitals the man. Just 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:18.480 don't you forget it, ellipsus, never forget oh man, that's 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.960 it everyone, that's the casting papers. And how about this. 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.800 If we have any Hollywood insiders listening out there, and 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:34.840 you have internal memorandums or letters that are in this spirit, 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.439 send them to me. I will not out you. I 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.280 will redact to all the names. I think this gives 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.399 people a really interesting inside look at kind of what 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.679 goes on behind the scenes, uh in Hollywood. And I 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.960 would love to do more of this stuff. Uh. And 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:54.960 I'm going to look up right now. I don't even 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.200 know who ended up playing this role, and I don't 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.280 think I don't think I could tell you because that 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:09.159 would be probably too much in uh of a clue. 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:14.199 But I'm gonna look right now. Very interesting. Well, they 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.159 went with an actress that uh is not very famous 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.160 at all, um still to this day, and I dare 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:24.720 I say, is a bit of a niche actor and 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.400 um did not become some big superstar a fine actress, 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.679 to be sure. Very interesting. All right, I'm sure that 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.119 frustrates you even more. And that's part of what this 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.359 is all about, everyone, to kind of tease you a bit. 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:44.280 This episode is a subtitled movie Crustration, Movie Crustration. I 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:48.400 like it. That's that should it should be titled movie Crustration. 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:54.520 Colon the casting memo redacted redacted. I love it, all right, everyone, 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.120 thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed that. I'd love 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.879 to hear some feedback if you were like, no, that 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.000 was kind of a big stup, a waste of time, Chuck, 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.200 I prefer the regular crushes. Don't worry, We're not gonna 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.320 like change up the format. I just thought that was 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.879