WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Final Look Before Tampa 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:20.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.000 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:35.080 Star in Frisco. To say, and now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:41.320 heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. It is 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:46.000 a game week edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Tostitos, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.600 live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.760 in Frisco. As we are saying it with our check 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.720 here on this Tuesday morning, I hope you have your 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.160 coffees ready because guess what this is gonna be our 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.400 normal time moving forward, Nina, for the rest of the year. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.080 We will be at nine or excuse me, nine am 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.000 Central Time every weekday from here on out, except for 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.960 this week. We take Wednesday and Thursday off, but then 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.759 we'll be back Friday to talk about the Dallas Cowboys 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.000 and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Is the regular season is 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.360 finally here as always alongside heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.559 Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and gentlemen, it just feels 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.560 a little bit different in the building this week. It's 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.160 got that buzz, it's got that feeling of football being 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.440 back in heck min, I know you're excited about it, man, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.000 I think everybody should be excited. Football is back on 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.520 every weekend until what Valentine's Day something something like that. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.160 So I got all my hunt, Isaiah, I got my 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.039 honey dude list, taking care of honey dude, the honey dude. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.639 It's already done. I clean the shed, I've stacked the wood, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.640 I donated all the clothes, I rearranged the closet. Okay, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.200 I'm good to go. I should have no requirements that 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.840 should take me away. I'm with you from football this 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.840 whole fall, at least on paper. You know there will 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.960 be something. There will be something that you need. I 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.840 needed you. I needed you to confirm with put your 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.800 pip hand out, come out. Not me. That's not gonna 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:23.919 be me, not my house. What is a backhand? Yeah? 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.680 But hey, you're right, I can. I can delay horse 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.240 racing until April now on TV. I got stuff to 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.400 watch all fall. I was watching horse racing last night 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.200 as well. Right, those are jack of ball trades. I'm 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.000 my press. Yeah, man, I definitely wasn't watching You Gotta 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.520 Find You Hobbies during quarantine, I was playing Madden. Okay 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.320 about that's true. That's true. Hey, here we go. Hit 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.120 Sticks coming up later this week as well. So shameless. Yeah, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.880 it was definitely a shameless We've got a lot to 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.959 talk about because that's the thing is is this is 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.680 the final week where we don't get to go every 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.600 weekday with our podcast. So because of that, news kind 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.800 of stack up on each other as we get along 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.680 in the week. And so let's start with probably the 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.720 biggest news of the week, and that's Zach martin COVID 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.160 nineteen list as of was it. Saturday was the day 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.240 that that was officially reported, So this is the first 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.480 time we've gotten to talk about it on this show specifically. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.040 But Zach Martin is listed currently as out for the 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.480 Thursday match up with the Buccaneers, so a backup plan 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.160 at right guard looks like Connor McGovern will be that 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.960 fill in. What is the specifics in the details surrounding 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.720 that whole scenario or he's not officially ruled out And 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.600 Jerry Jones on the fan just now he's holding out 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.120 like this much sliver So he said it again today. Yeah, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.400 I mean what you need. And I know fans like 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.240 jumped on this and said, why isn't he vaccinated? Well, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.400 just based off of the protocols that they're discussing, he's 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:53.560 vaccinated because he needs two negative tests twenty four hours apart, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:58.040 and he also has to be symptom free. So it's possible. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.000 But Jerry even said the fan this morning, based on 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.160 their experience, they need more time than what they have. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.120 So yeah, you're right, they're preparing for Connor McGovern to 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.880 be the starting right guard on Thursday night. It's crazy 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.880 to think like there could be a timeline there that 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.960 that would fit into, because I mean, it's gonna be 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.359 wild against the wall anyways, and it would have to 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.680 be a perfect case scenario of no symptoms, really no 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.880 fallback whatsoever from having COVID or testing positive anyways if 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.000 you're Zach Martin. So yeah, that's tough for me to 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.400 really think that this is a possibility that he's ready 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.479 to go. But Isaiah, based off of what you saw 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.200 throughout training camp, how ready is a Connor mcgoverned to 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.320 step in and be the starter at right guard, even 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.200 if it is just for a game. Yeah, I didn't 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.719 like it. I didn't like it. I think, you know, 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.479 in preseason and throughout the camp, I think we talked 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.719 to you know and extensively about what that second line 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.279 really looks like, you know, coming off of last year's experience, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.120 you know, Terrence Steele, the you know, Connor mcgovernance, and 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.760 I didn't like what I saw. I feel I think 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.320 we mentioned a couple of weeks back. I feel like 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.880 both of those guys took a step back, including Night. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.440 I'm hopeful, I would say, I'm very hopeful that it 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.000 should he have to play that he will kind of 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.440 revert back to how he was finishing last year, which 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.640 was on a higher note. He was starting to play well. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.400 But just from what I've seen this year, um, I'm 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.279 not confident in his ability to step in and feel 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.400 that role. And let's not get it confused. Nobody can 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.120 replace Martin, all right, but we have to be able 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.600 to come in and do enough to be efficient on 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.520 offense because they have all their dogs back now on 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:32.800 that defensive line. That that hopeful was like puberty octave level. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:40.520 So yeah, that so that means you're not very hopeful, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.680 you know. But I think for McGovern honestly, we didn't 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.120 see him at right guard. We saw him primarily at 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.720 left guard. And so look, my thing with McGovern has 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.880 always been, you know, I love big ten offensive lineman 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.680 period because I feel like they have the propensity to 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.120 fire off the ball. That's just a running league where 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.960 they come from. So that's the one thing. And then 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:10.240 based off of his play last year filling in for 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.039 Zach Wants the concussion in Arizona, I believe he filled 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.720 in then, and the calf and the calf after that 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.599 starts it right. Absolutely, So he has he has film, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.760 and he has experience. And you talk about that a 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.479 lot of Isaiah about throwing guys to the wolves that 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.919 don't have any experience. Where here is Konna McGovern and 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.840 we have to rely on his experience. You're absolutely right. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.359 There is no replacing number seventy, period dot the end. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.840 So don't even worry about that. The thing is is 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.680 that Kona mcgovernment can come in and be serviceable. The 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.760 bigger question is how healthy is Lyoh okay, because if 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.560 lio can actually play up no, no, if LiOH can 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.760 actually play up to where he'd been pre injury, then 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.800 I think that's what's going to catapult and make that 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.679 shore up that right side, because he's pretty much soltered 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.560 next to you, gotta say it shaking his head. And 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.800 you just got on me before the show saying, I 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.200 just have nothing but negativity of feed. See. I wasn't 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.080 gonna I wasn't gonna bring that up. I was gonna 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.480 bring Lyle's issues up. I wasn't gonna do it. Was 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.720 like I'm in church and I'm reading Rod rob sweets 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.160 like crap. I didn't say that. No, I say that. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.160 I did not say that at all. I was I 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.520 started with a sh what I said, let's pray forward 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.320 and and to your points since since you brought it up, Okay, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.560 I'm concerned. I am very concerned because Lyle Collins is 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.320 not one hundred percent healthy. No, no, no. The major 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.760 injury that most people are concerned about, obviously is the hip. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.800 That's what most people are gonna be. What he's coming back, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.280 what he's coming back from, however, what has kept him 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.520 out most recently the neck. The neck stinger, right, and 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.680 for those I've never had a stinger, stinger is essentially 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.400 an impingement of your nerve. Right, I've had a stinger 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.320 and it hurts. Okay, I had a stinger in Seattle camp. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.160 One time I went to go around my little, my 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.760 little hitch route right over the middle of the ball, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.960 quarterback through the ball opposite away linebacker came boom hit 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.960 me the opposite direction, and I sat there for a 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.480 minute because I couldn't move right and literally the nerve 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.960 gets gets pinched and it shuts down that portion of 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.680 your body. Now, it could be very temporary, it could 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.120 be something that's elongated, right, That's why you see varying. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:17.600 Some guys get right back in the game and they're 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.360 good to go. Some guys are out for a week. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:24.160 And the scary thing about about the nerve damage portion 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.560 of it, okay, at about those stingers, is it's easily 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.360 triggered again. Yea, So even though we have Collins back 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.280 in the starting lineup, it takes one play. And I'm 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.440 sorry to scare everybody like that, but that's me understanding 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.400 the reality of this particular injury. He's healed until he's not. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.080 It takes one shot, and that one shot that sent 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.000 him right back to the same protocol he was in before. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.400 You're right, And that's why the last week of training 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.000 camp and even these practices that they had what they 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.000 called like the bye week last Friday and Saturday. They 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.000 held him out because try to let it calm down. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.640 And it must be calmed down because they had a 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.040 full padded practice yesterday, full participate and so that's heck, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.880 that's good news. But you're right, I mean, once you 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.200 get into real, full live contact, it could flare up again. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.120 It's definitely a possibility. Heck one's face whenever Rob just 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.280 looked at you and said, that's good news, and then heck, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.920 mone was just pure cold. Why. I mean because the 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.480 reality of what could potentially be right. It could we 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.560 potentially not have Martin, You could potentially not have Collins 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.160 at some point in time in the game. So now 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.400 you're right side of offensive line is not there. That's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.599 that's a reality. That's the reality that we hope we 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.559 don't see. But that is a potential. Well, once you 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.240 start talking about the lineup that you know our offensive 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.000 line is going against, I think that's where the cold 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.720 is is that Shaq batt, Vida Bay and dominquinsue. At 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.800 some point you know this line is gonna be tested. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.679 They're gonna have to hold up. I mean, it's it's 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.640 one hundred percent healthy line is gonna have a problem 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.839 with it every single time. But that's the thing I 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.480 mean this is there's so many question marks about this 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.559 offense because we hadn't seen it. Maybe that's one of 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.719 the great things going into this game is that the 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.199 great unknown. But those questions will be as absolutely first 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.839 second quarter. Everybody will be familiar with one another. How 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.920 will Tampa Bay come back this because, like you said, Isaiah, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.640 with Connor McGovern being at right guard, I mean he 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.280 saw six hundred plus snaps last year at right guards, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.679 so that's a positive because he did fill in the 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.200 back half of the season for Zack Martin. How would 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.160 they come? Are they gonna send the house? Are they 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.959 gonna bring Devin White? Are they gonna just blitz? That's 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.840 the scary guys, that's the scary thing about about Tampa, Right, 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.880 Tampa doesn't have to blitz. No, they don't have to blitz. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.680 They have two of the most dominant interior defensive linement 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:43.080 in the game, right, Vita Vea and right, two dogs 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.040 right and Gholst. And then you got that's the reality, right, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.000 and then you put JPP and Barred on the outside. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.400 They don't have to blitz. Now, should they choose to blitz, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.360 they have some guys at the second level that just 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.000 may be able to get to you a little quicker 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.120 than you are like to. So they present a problem 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.400 even with one hundred percent healthy offensive line. So I 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.160 to answer that they don't have to blitz, Well, they 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.679 blitz probably probably their defense is going their defense and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.280 their defense coordinator that's his in Mo. They gonna they're 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.959 gonna apply pressure and they're gonna come after you. Do 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.160 we know them? Do we know their defensive coordinator? I 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.040 think we do. We do, And so they're gonna come after. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.199 They're gonna come after. Da Dak is gonna have to 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.080 make some adjustments at the line of scrimmage. It's always 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.680 been that way. And with the right ankle, I expect 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.000 for defenses to see where he is tasked, where he 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.959 is uh, you know, it wants to me if the 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.520 Cowboy has become one dimensional at any point in this game, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.880 that is when they are going to unleash the hounds. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.319 That's what And the same thing that you saw in 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.839 the Super Bowl. Once they saw that, Kansas City turned 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.160 one dimensional and made everything and they play defensive play 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.640 calling easier I went back and watched that game two 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.079 nights ago, and every play that Mahomes had just just curious. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.240 And it's hard to compare because of how just wrecked 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.760 the Chiefs off their line was. I mean, they were 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.440 down like third on their depth chart at certain spots 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.800 and they moved over. I think MS. Mike Rimmers timmers 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.000 to their right tackle spot and shack Barrett just all 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.360 night long. And you're right, they only blitzed like less 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.960 than ten percent of dropbacks in that game because they 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.920 didn't have to. Yeah, and when they did blitz, like, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.280 like Kyle said, Devin White pressuring and I think one 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.679 of one of Pat's two picks were on a blitz. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.880 So like, I think the Cowboys are even with Zach out, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.480 they're more intact than that games. But are they going 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.760 to be challenged? Absolutely? And that four man rush based 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.440 on what we've seen last year. I mean, it wasn't 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.440 just the Chiefs being banged up. They had forty eight 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.920 sacks last year throughout the season. I don't going into 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.439 this game if I'm Top Bowls and I'm the defensive 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.720 coordinator for ten Bay, I am not. Now you're going 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.840 to blitz, right, But I'm gonna probably be along those 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.480 lines of probably ten percent of my total snaps blitzing. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.120 The reason why is because why would I give Dak 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.560 Prescott an opportunity to get a big play? Why would 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.800 I risk that? Right? So I'm gonna sit back, I'm 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.120 gonna play coverage, right, and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.160 my four guys up front to get home. I like that, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.079 and I like the fact if they do that. I 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.880 think that benefits I think that benefits Dak, and I 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.160 think that Kellen Moore is going to scheme a game 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.520 plan to give Dak the confidence that he needs, easy throws, 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.199 easy reads, to build that confidence up everything in the 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.360 middle slot, because we know where they're most susceptible, and 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.000 that's in the running game. They were twenty first, twenty 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.880 second in passing all right, number one in running. You 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.120 can't overlook that, so most teams could not run versus them. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.840 But we have to get the running game on the rug. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.120 We have to, we have to establish it because at 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:39.839 some point if we don't, then, like you said, like 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.199 you just mentioned, they're gonna simplify their game play and 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.800 just come with their guys up front. It's gonna be 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.199 tough without Zach. I mean, Zeke said it the other day. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.040 He said, damn, he said their best player, best player 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.160 on offense, and most of our runs. I mean, I 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.920 mean I mentioned it. Last season at one point some 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.679 of it was with Zachett right tackle. They were dominating 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.080 in the run game, even with all the other injuries 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.880 and backup quarterbacks in there. I mean, he is the 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.959 centerpiece of their run game besides Zeke obviously. Yeah, and 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.960 Connor McGovern is gonna have to step in and fill 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.439 that role luckily. I mean, Isaiah, you were pretty down 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.520 on Connor mcgoverned, and you still are pretty down on 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.160 Connor McGovern a lot of people, especially last year. He 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.600 was the most improved offensive lineman by far from beginning 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.200 to end of the year. In twenty twenty, I thought 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.280 he took a step to be decent again. Like we said, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.400 you're not going to replace Zack Martin. Nobody can. And 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.880 if the expectation for Cowboys fans out there is to 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.960 replace Zach Martin, you will be let down on Thursday. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.160 So do not think that's the case. But I think 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.840 if you're going to pick a guy to fill a role, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.560 it would be Connor McGovern filling in for Zach Martin. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.960 He's your sixth man off of the bench, and that 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.920 makes me feel a little bit better. And it kind 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.680 of goes back to what Heckma was saying, as long 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.000 as Lyle Collins is healthy and able to play, because 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.160 if not, if it's if it's Connor McGovern and Terrence 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.160 Steel or Connor mcgovernor and Tying sec who missed practice yesterday, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.520 I'm just saying, it doesn't make me feel like I 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.840 feel good about McGovern if he plays like he played 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.200 last year. Okay, from what I've seen in camp, I 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.200 don't feel confident. From what I saw last year, I 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.280 feel confident. But sometimes guys neither the person in front 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.360 of them removed before they get that dog back in 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.480 him right for whatever whatever. For whatever reason, some guys 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.000 kind of get tentative when there's somebody in front of 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.520 them that they know that's he's that's boss man, that's 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.280 the that's the that's the man that runs things. So 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.760 I'm a fall back, right and I'm not myself anymore. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.280 But once he's out the picture of what did he 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.160 do last year he stepped up, I'm Connor freaking McGovern right, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.720 So maybe I'm hoping that that's what shows up if 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.320 he has to step in and play McGovern and Connor 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.240 McGovern just he kind of went to Jalen Smith route 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.560 with having the injury, sitting out red shirting basically and 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.000 so and then you know, getting himself healthy and then 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.920 playing last year again. I'm not as much as people 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.800 want the Skies falling mentality with this with Zach Martin. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.040 I understand, Look, he's going to be a great absence 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.120 and void in an offensive line. But I guess the 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.280 great thing is it's temporary. We're not talking about for 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.400 the rest of the season, and so we can gain 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.200 plan this up for just one game. I feel comfortable 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.560 with what we're gonna do. And you know, he's gotten 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.960 quite a few reps at right guard throughout training camp, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.240 left guard too, because you know, they give Zach a 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.920 little bit of a break. He's a vet. They're moving 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.160 Connor Williams at times inside at center to give him 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.000 some first team reps. So you've given him opportunities with 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.000 the first team throughout camp plus the Stars. Yet last year, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.760 he'll be prepared and look, they've let him focus mostly 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.400 on guard, not center. Even though they didn't really have 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.640 a backup center going into camp and he's played it 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.320 in college. That's a fantastic point because the coaching staff 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.480 had an opportunity to say, Hey, Connor Williams or Connor McGovern, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.840 who's going to be our backup center. Let's let Connor 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.840 McGovern work on being a guard. Well, now he's got 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.120 a chance to step up into that open spot and 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.280 potentially make a huge impact come Thursday night. Who else 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.840 is going to make a big impact? 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Yes, Yeah, welcome back into Talking Cowboys. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.320 I love whenever we get Rob kind of just on 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:21.600 the back heels a little bit. Not mean what time? 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.880 What time of night? We're talking here? Ahead? Oh goodness, Yeah, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.800 Talking Cowboys presented by Tostitos, heck My Harris and Isaiah 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.840 stand back, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and let's get 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.359 into some sleepers. These are guys on both sides of 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.920 the football that you feel like are gonna make an impact, 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:41.720 but maybe aren't the headliners of the offense going in. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.480 And I don't want to necessarily outline the headliners because 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.360 that could change the opinion of what you guys think, 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.720 but impact players that aren't necessarily at the forefront. We're 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.200 gonna start with you, Heckma on the offensive side of 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.120 the ball, then we'll go defensive in a second. Well, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.360 thank you for coming to me first, Kyle. I well, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.600