Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome in two Fantasy pros. This
Speaker 1: is the Fantasy Football Podcast. I am Chris Wels. That
Speaker 1: is Pat fitz Morris, and we're here for Week sixteen
Speaker 1: wide receiver ranks. We're gonna be going through the top
Speaker 1: thirty six. It's not enough, but we got you covered.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be hitting your starters if you're in a
Speaker 1: three wide receiver or two wide receiver with one flex.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the show, we'll tell you
Speaker 1: where you can get more and where we can answer
Speaker 1: more if you're big questions. But we're gonna be going
Speaker 1: through the big wide receiver matchups for the week. In
Speaker 1: Week sixteen, it all comes down to this BUPAPA. It's
Speaker 1: the big, intense range where some teams have gone away,
Speaker 1: the most important are still there and you're clinging to
Speaker 1: a prayer. You're like, please do not have Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: Jaden Reid, Darnell Mooney. Can we stop having donuts throughout
Speaker 1: the week? I know it's recency. I completely acknowledge this, Pat,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna ask the question knowing we're probably not
Speaker 1: gonna have a true understanding of it, But like, do
Speaker 1: you remember so many absolute donuts happening from like elite
Speaker 1: ish wide receivers top twenty four wide receivers in the
Speaker 1: playoffs in week fifteen and sixteen. So far, it's been
Speaker 1: a disaster or into the playoffs of like I'm talking
Speaker 1: actual donuts like Deebo Samuel stinks, but like Jayden Reed,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Darnell Mooney, just donut. It's donut after donut
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really rough last week with Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: and Mooney especially. You figure those guys as like they're
Speaker 2: sort of PPR receivers. That's what the appeal is in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, that safe floor because you figure
Speaker 2: they're gonna get four or five catches every week without fail.
Speaker 2: When those guys put up a zero, yeah, that stinks,
Speaker 2: and I know there are a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of people holding those guys who didn't survive it.
Speaker 1: Well, we are going to talk about the Falcons in
Speaker 1: just a tiny bit. They've made a quarterback change and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what theoretical adjustment might be
Speaker 1: made to some of those wide receivers as Michael Pennix
Speaker 1: is take over. That was kind of our big breaking
Speaker 1: news for week sixteen. Not going to be something we're
Speaker 1: going to be running to get Michael Pennix in lineups,
Speaker 1: unless maybe you're in some superflex. But it does obviously
Speaker 1: have an effect on the pass catchers and we will
Speaker 1: have to speculate on that as well as all the
Speaker 1: rest of these guys Top thirty six going through. You
Speaker 1: guys want to check out what the ranks look like
Speaker 1: throughout the week because every day it's going to change.
Speaker 1: That's a cool thing about our ECR. As more rankers
Speaker 1: submit their ranks, the adjustments start to happen, so you
Speaker 1: can watch it adjust throughout the week. Go to fantasypros
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Speaker 1: biggest matchups, biggest questions. You have put a little pen
Speaker 1: in it, and you can see all the great stuff
Speaker 1: that we got going on, from the matchup rating to
Speaker 1: the start and sit projected points. Do they score plus
Speaker 1: or minus against their projected points? Those are all some
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Speaker 1: out all of those. So fantasypros dot Com Slash Rankings,
Speaker 1: let's jump into it. Wide Receiver ones Top twelve Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase of course, at the tippy time. A wide receiver
Speaker 1: one Puka Nakua comes in at two, Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins,
Speaker 1: and Cdee Lamb. That's your top five, Mike Evans and Monross,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown, AJ Brown, DeVante Adams, T. Higgins, Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: and Brian Thomas at top twelve and Brian Thomas is
Speaker 1: where we just kind of hit the brakes here and
Speaker 1: talk about I'm very high on Brian Thomas this week.
Speaker 1: I've got him a little bit inside, so I've got
Speaker 1: him at ten. He came in at twelve, which surprised
Speaker 1: me a tiny bit. You've got him at fifteen so
Speaker 1: far this week. Quarterback play, of course stinks, but Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas in general has kind of been immune the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, or really the better way to say it
Speaker 1: is like all those worries we had of like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, what is Mac Jones going to do to him?
Speaker 1: It's just kind of faded away. As he has three
Speaker 1: straight weeks of double digit targets. Pat his catches have
Speaker 1: gone up every single one of those weeks from four
Speaker 1: to eight to four to ten. Those are targets, and
Speaker 1: he has three touchdowns over that time. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about Brian Thomas. You're not low by any You got
Speaker 1: him at a top fifteen. Do you think any of
Speaker 1: us are being a little too higher optimistic on Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas going up against the Raiders.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I feel like this is the right
Speaker 3: ballpark for him.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Mac Jones not a guy we're rushing
Speaker 2: into our lineups in semi final matchups in Week sixteen.
Speaker 2: But to Mac Jones's credit, he has been able to
Speaker 2: keep the fantasy value of Brian Thomas Junior afloat and I.
Speaker 2: Since Week ten, it's been pretty much entirely Mac Jones
Speaker 2: at quarterback for the Jaguars, and since Week ten, Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior is wide receiver thirteen and a half point
Speaker 2: PPR fantasy points per game at fourteen points, which is
Speaker 2: really pretty solid. He's averaged five point eight catches and
Speaker 2: seventy two point two receiving yards in those five games
Speaker 2: with Jones, with three D three touchdown catches. His weekly
Speaker 2: finish finishes over that stretch Wide receiver seventy six, wide
Speaker 2: receiver twenty eight, wide receiver thirteen, wide receiver twenty three,
Speaker 2: and wide receiver four last week so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I do think we're in the right ballpark in the
Speaker 2: low end wide receiver one, high end wide receiver two.
Speaker 2: I guess I just can't bring myself to put him
Speaker 2: in wide receiver one range when his target delivery mechanism
Speaker 2: is mac Jones. And like in theory, it's a good
Speaker 2: matchup against the Raiders, whose cornerbacks we are not afraid
Speaker 2: of at all. And yet the Raiders have a lot
Speaker 2: of the ninth fewest fantasy points and seventh fewest receptions
Speaker 2: and sixth fewest receiving yards to wide receivers.
Speaker 1: So but for over the last month, the Raiders have
Speaker 1: given up the ninth most fantasy points to wide receivers
Speaker 1: over the last month. So on the seasonal total does
Speaker 1: look in favor of the Raiders, but as of recent
Speaker 1: it has deteriorated and they are in the top ten
Speaker 1: of most fantasy points given up two wide receivers. They
Speaker 1: have given up, by the way, the most receiving touchdowns
Speaker 1: over the last month to wide receivers, tied with the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers and maybe surprise you, the Pittsburgh Steelers. So
Speaker 1: where it looks a little bit of a like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this is an advantage, like you said with but
Speaker 1: the cornerback's kind of disappearing. I think it's a great spot.
Speaker 1: Thirty six targets over the last three games, Mac has
Speaker 1: just committed to Brian Thomas, and the Raiders kind of
Speaker 1: fallen apart with from the touchdown perspective, They've also given
Speaker 1: up the fifth most receiving yards to wide receivers over
Speaker 1: the last month, so the recency of the Raiders secondary
Speaker 1: kind of blown out of the water, though they have
Speaker 1: a season total on them. I guess that's kind of
Speaker 1: why I'm following momentum. You know, Brian Thomas is a
Speaker 1: touchdown magnet. He's also a big play magnet. Do we
Speaker 1: have guys like you know? I like, like Ken Coleman.
Speaker 1: You get these big play wide receivers, they get two
Speaker 1: or three targets. But now give me maybe the most
Speaker 1: exciting big play guy and give him ten targets a game.
Speaker 1: I can't go against it. I think the upside is there.
Speaker 1: But to your point, you start to like you're picking
Speaker 1: at hairs of like do you have him over Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: Do you have him over such and such? I think
Speaker 1: the most fascinating one out of this, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: at your take. We've talked about him a ton this year,
Speaker 1: is talking about Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill is I believe
Speaker 1: eleven on consensus ranks here and Brian Thomas is twelve.
Speaker 1: I have Thomas over Tyreek Hill, not that I think
Speaker 1: the Niners are stopping him are by any means, but
Speaker 1: you know, if you do take Wattle, if Watle were
Speaker 1: to miss the game, more focus on Tyreek Hill. Tyrak
Speaker 1: Kill's been so inconsistent and we know the upside is
Speaker 1: like number one, but I don't know if I feel
Speaker 1: better about Tyreek Hill in general over Brian Thomas, with
Speaker 1: how inconsistent, the risk disappearing act also to his gameplay
Speaker 1: has been really bad. That was why I decided, Yeah,
Speaker 1: mac Jones is a quarterback, but Brian Thomas is getting
Speaker 1: ten plus targets and he's as big play of a
Speaker 1: wide receiver as Tyreek Hill is right now, and frankly
Speaker 1: two is not playing much different than mac Jones. So
Speaker 1: that's why I went with that. But that is like
Speaker 1: a splitting hair thing. Do you think there's a line
Speaker 1: between Thomas and Hill.
Speaker 2: No, I think they're pretty close to Welsh. I've got
Speaker 2: Hill ranked twelve, then that's what the assumption Waddle is
Speaker 2: going to be out. The problem is that last week
Speaker 2: Tehron Armstead missed the game for the Dolphins, and I
Speaker 2: believe they're starting right tackle was also out, So they
Speaker 2: were starting rookies at offensive tackle against the Houston Texans,
Speaker 2: one of the best pass rushes in the league, and
Speaker 2: it was pretty.
Speaker 3: Ctastic we could all tell for the Miami passing game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like, if Hill doesn't have enough time for
Speaker 2: even with his speed, for him to get twenty yards
Speaker 2: or fifteen yards downfield before the pass rushes all over
Speaker 2: to like, that's a real problem. And by the way, Welsh,
Speaker 2: one more thing about Brian Thomas Junior. I mean the
Speaker 2: twists and turns of fantasy season takes. If someone would
Speaker 2: have told you back before Week one that come week
Speaker 2: sixteen we would have one rookie wide receiver ranked inside
Speaker 2: the top twelve. It wouldn't be Marvin Harrison Junior or
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, and it would be Brian Thomas Junior. Oh
Speaker 2: and by the way, Trevor Lawrence is hurt and Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior is still ranked inside wide receiver one range.
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people would have believed
Speaker 2: you with that prediction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean that's been one of
Speaker 1: the biggest discourses on the on social media has been
Speaker 1: about like how valuable Brian Thomas is and every other
Speaker 1: person being like if we were to redraft today the
Speaker 1: you know, like where would they go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: I think the narrative is hilarious too. If all those
Speaker 1: scenarios are like who's the one and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: his quarterback? It's not Marvin, it's not Malik Neighbors, it's
Speaker 1: not Roma Dune. Say it is Brian Thomas, and he's
Speaker 1: been consistent, and again them just littering him with targets
Speaker 1: is what makes me feel good. But you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, I acknowledge this guy. This like him versus
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is more of just like a rank type
Speaker 1: of debate. You I think you have most people have
Speaker 1: the ability to start Brian Thomas in any league based
Speaker 1: on unless you just had some incredible wide receiver run
Speaker 1: where it's like you have Jamar Chase, Nico Collins, Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill and then you have Brian Thomas and you can't
Speaker 1: start a flex Okay, maybe that's then the conversation. But
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas is someone that I think you want to
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Speaker 1: FP free. Let's take a look wide receivers thirteen through
Speaker 1: twenty four, starting with Courtland Sutton, Terry McLaurin, Drake London.
Speaker 1: That's your top fifteen Milink neighbors, Cooper Cup, Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba, Juwan Jennings, Garrett Wilson, Lad mcconki, DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: Is Flowers and Jordan Addison and a Partridge Gender a
Speaker 1: Pear Tree. That's what it felt like. Oh, Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: ECR sixteen, I've got him a bit lower. I've got
Speaker 1: him at nineteen. You got him at fourteen. So you
Speaker 1: have Cooper Cup higher than Brian Thomas Cup with a massively,
Speaker 1: massively disappointing week. It's got. It's probably in everybody's brains
Speaker 1: going up against the Jets who the secondary doesn't quite
Speaker 1: live up to anything or any of it. Pooka Nakula
Speaker 1: is clearly the number one there. I guess the big
Speaker 1: question is is like, can we avoid Cooper Cup fading
Speaker 1: away in this offense? This means very little, but want
Speaker 1: to point out I believe Tyler Higbee is also back
Speaker 1: in that and he gets a few targets in there,
Speaker 1: but I've kind of lost some of the Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: is an absolute no brainer, must start under every scenario.
Speaker 1: Feel to it. By my low rank, you seem a
Speaker 1: little bit more optimistic. Was that purely just a one
Speaker 1: off craziness that we had last week? In your mind?
Speaker 2: I do think it was well sh and I you
Speaker 2: know that man. As recently as a month ago, a
Speaker 2: lot of people would rank Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua
Speaker 2: basically back to back or even rank Cup a little higher.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I think there's a clear separation there.
Speaker 2: And Pooka is a no brainer top five wide receiver
Speaker 2: every week and Cup is somewhere in wide receiver two range.
Speaker 2: And I know the donut last week for Cup was alarming,
Speaker 2: and you know, hopefully there are Cooper Cup investors watching
Speaker 2: the show who.
Speaker 3: Are still alive exactly if they survived.
Speaker 2: But since coming back from his injury in late October,
Speaker 2: Cup is averaging five point six catches and sixty three
Speaker 2: point eight yards per game with five touchdowns in eight games.
Speaker 2: And that includes the donut last week. So like that's
Speaker 2: solid wide receiver to production. And this week he's up
Speaker 2: against the Jets, who are a little less tough against
Speaker 2: slot receivers than they are against perimeter receivers. So I
Speaker 2: think it's a decent enough matchup for him. I think
Speaker 2: under most circumstances, you're rolling out Cups still, even though
Speaker 2: no doubt the zero last week has got you a
Speaker 2: little nervous.
Speaker 1: One thing that also benefits to the Cooper Cup side.
Speaker 1: Over the last month, the fifth most fantasy points given
Speaker 1: up are the New York Jets, So you know, secondary
Speaker 1: and whatever you want to do. You can absolutely pass
Speaker 1: against the Jets and is as long as Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: just gets reinvolved and has that target share, that's what
Speaker 1: gets you excited about it. Probably, I just don't know
Speaker 1: where the Maybe Brian Thomas versus Cooper Cup is like
Speaker 1: an actual start sick question. I still think we're in
Speaker 1: this territory with if you listen to the Running Back Show,
Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to it, I think
Speaker 1: there's a pretty extensive gap of like, oh, these are
Speaker 1: the good starting running backs, and then it's like, ooh,
Speaker 1: you're taking shots. I think what I'm getting at is
Speaker 1: most flex spot should be filled by wide receivers. So
Speaker 1: when we are talking even through the twenty four to
Speaker 1: thirty six, I think these are all guys that you're
Speaker 1: finding ways to get in your lineup. So whether I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit lower or someone's a little bit higher,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is still a start regardless of it unless
Speaker 1: you have incredible, incredible you know, wide receivers and some
Speaker 1: oftimes you guys do in your ten man leagues. One
Speaker 1: that could be a debate as well is Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba. He is wide receiver eighteen. You and I
Speaker 1: are on pretty far lengths of him. I've got him
Speaker 1: at sixteen, you've got him at twenty three. One of
Speaker 1: the things I will throw out to you, especially having
Speaker 1: like a hyper focus over the last month, the obviously
Speaker 1: full PPR, he gets a little bit of a boost.
Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings have given up hands down the most
Speaker 1: receptions two running backs over the last month. It's not close.
Speaker 1: They have also given up the most receiving yards by
Speaker 1: a wide margin, almost one hundred yards more than the
Speaker 1: next team yards receptions Minnesota Vikings. That's why I really
Speaker 1: like Jackson Smith and Jigba as the top guy in
Speaker 1: the massive target share. You don't seem as optimistic where
Speaker 1: he is just fringely holding on to that wide receiver
Speaker 1: two spot.
Speaker 2: Well, so Seahawks head coach, which Mike McDonald's says, Gino
Speaker 2: Smith should be able to practice and play this week,
Speaker 2: and that is a good thing because if it were
Speaker 2: not Geno Smith at quarterback and it were Sam Howell,
Speaker 2: I would be ranking JSN at least ten spots lower
Speaker 2: than this Welsh. Our mutual friend Scott Bogman and I
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in the offseason arguing about
Speaker 2: whether Sam Howell had starter potential in the NFL, and
Speaker 2: I was on the no side of that. Let's just
Speaker 2: say Bogman has conceded to me this week that I
Speaker 2: was right after what we saw from Sam Howell in
Speaker 2: late game action against the Packers on Sunday night.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't hate the matchup.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty favorable one, as you have pointed out,
Speaker 2: and our own Derek Brown pointed out in last week's
Speaker 2: primer that the Vikings had allowed the second most receptions
Speaker 2: to slot receivers since Week nine, and then Keenan Allen
Speaker 2: went out last week and I had six catches for
Speaker 2: eighty two yards and a touchdown against them. So maybe
Speaker 2: the floor is pretty sturdy for Jackson, Smith and Jig
Speaker 2: but if in fact Geno does play, but Gino is
Speaker 2: clearly not going to be one hundred percent on that knee,
Speaker 2: and really Seattle's passing it attack has been on sort
Speaker 2: of a downward trajectory of late. Over his last five games,
Speaker 2: Gino has three touchdown passes and he has averaged two
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve point six passing yards a game over
Speaker 2: that span. So there's just not a lot coming from here.
Speaker 2: And even though JSN has sort of surpassed DK Metcalf
Speaker 2: as the lead receiver in Seattle. I'm still just not
Speaker 2: feeling great about this Seahawks passing game, especially with Gino
Speaker 2: kind of banged up.
Speaker 1: I can understand that. I will say two of those
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes were to Jackson Smith and Jigbus, so
Speaker 1: he has those receptions. I'd also say for me personally,
Speaker 1: Gina Smith out is dramatically more of an effect on
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf to me than it is JASN because if
Speaker 1: Hal is in, You're probably not going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of deep passes and not most likely a lot
Speaker 1: of check one, check two, check three type of drives.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have quick throws, and where quick throw is
Speaker 1: gonna go slot JSN. So I don't I think it
Speaker 1: has you know, maybe the upside of him being like
Speaker 1: wide receiver sixteen if Sam hows and that doesn't definitely
Speaker 1: feel as good. But you know, Minnesota has just given
Speaker 1: up absurd amounts to wide receivers and Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jig but is coming off of a twelve target game,
Speaker 1: ten reception game. He's got ten receptions in two of
Speaker 1: his last five games, and he has had under seventy
Speaker 1: yards zero times. In the last six games he has
Speaker 1: gone over that number. If you count in what is
Speaker 1: a six games, only one of those has he gone
Speaker 1: under the seventy yard markers. So, regardless of the passing game,
Speaker 1: kind of dipping down Jackson, Smith and Jig but kind
Speaker 1: of keeps holding that floor. But it doesn't feel good
Speaker 1: if Sam House the quarterback, So I totally acknowledge that
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make anybody feel good. Zay Flowers will
Speaker 1: be the last one we talk about in here. He
Speaker 1: is number twenty four on the ECR. I've got a
Speaker 1: little bit lower, you got them a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: So let's call the whole thing off. What do you
Speaker 1: think about Zay Flowers going up against Pittsburgh? You seem
Speaker 1: a tiny bit more optimistic. We have some fade opportunities.
Speaker 1: I will say this, this goes against a narrative of mine.
Speaker 1: I am pro Lamar Jackson, very pro Lamar Jackson this week,
Speaker 1: and that might seem weird to people, but it is Steelers,
Speaker 1: the evil Steelers against Lamar Jackson. You would think Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers is going to probably play a role in that.
Speaker 1: But if I kind of tend to think that might
Speaker 1: be the one thing that they completely shut down. This
Speaker 1: might have to be another one of those Bateman picks
Speaker 1: up the slack type of things. But you tell me,
Speaker 1: you talk to me about Zay Flowers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get it. Zay is in a drought.
Speaker 2: From week five to week nine, Welsh zave Flowers top
Speaker 2: the one hundred yard mark in four of five games
Speaker 2: and was wide receiver three and PPR scoring over that stretch.
Speaker 2: In the five games since, Flowers has scored one touchdown,
Speaker 2: hasn't produced more than seventy four receiving yards in any game,
Speaker 2: and is wide receiver forty four over that stretch. But
Speaker 2: today's credit, he has at least hit double digits in
Speaker 2: PPR Fantasy points in four straight games, So the floor.
Speaker 3: Has been okay.
Speaker 2: But basically, whilst I'm just sort of sticking with my
Speaker 2: assessment that Zay Flowers is a mid range wide receiver too,
Speaker 2: like I've kind of felt all year that's what he was,
Speaker 2: and I've always kind of had him around there in
Speaker 2: my weekly rankings, I think the Ravens are going to
Speaker 2: need him to be more involved this week against the Steelers.
Speaker 2: When he faced Pittsburgh a few weeks ago only two catches,
Speaker 2: but he did at thirty nine yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 2: I just don't think the Ravens are going to be
Speaker 2: able to go run heavy all game and lean on
Speaker 2: the run against the Steelers. I think they're going to
Speaker 2: have to mix it up a little bit. And I
Speaker 2: don't think Save Flowers is going to get the shadow
Speaker 2: treatment from Joey Porter Junior. I just think they move
Speaker 2: him around a little too much for Porter to follow
Speaker 2: him and Linesay up in the slot at times, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Porter will follow him into the slot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Basically think Save Flowers should started this week unless you're
Speaker 2: absolutely stacked at receiver.
Speaker 1: I think, like the sentiment I kind of agree with,
Speaker 1: but like something that comes face to face with our
Speaker 1: ranks is like you have Za Flowers quite a few
Speaker 1: spots ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba. I'll take JSN
Speaker 1: over him, as Bogwin would say, with a bullet like
Speaker 1: So that would be like our little battle this week
Speaker 1: where I clearly would want JSN even with Sam halif
Speaker 1: I'm being honest with you over that Pittsburgh matchup, oh again,
Speaker 1: because I mean my Sam out garbage but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like I think it's to just be littered with targets.
Speaker 1: What else are they going to be able to do?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what is let me give you
Speaker 2: the JSN stat line. If Sam Hall starts at eight
Speaker 2: catches for forty three yards.
Speaker 1: So a Wandale, he's gonna have the Wandale.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Wandale and no one, no one wants the
Speaker 2: Wandale full PPR.
Speaker 1: Would you take JSN over your Za Flowers or just
Speaker 1: in a in a vacuum, it's Za Flowers over JSN regardless.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in full PPR, I would.
Speaker 2: If it's Gino, I would not if it were Sam
Speaker 2: Hall at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Probably got a reference. These ranks are ranked off of
Speaker 1: half PPR, so JSN does lose a little bit of
Speaker 1: the value, but you know enough Geno plays JSN over
Speaker 1: as a Flowers in.
Speaker 3: Full PPR, Yeah, that might flip it for me.
Speaker 1: Still not half, not in half.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I'm ranking it based on the assumption
Speaker 2: that Gino is going to play for the Okas, and
Speaker 2: I've still got Flowers stranked higher.
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Speaker 1: so kind wide receiver twenty five through thirty six. DeVante
Speaker 1: Smith starts it up. Jerry Judy, Calvin Ridley, Jacoby Myers,
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir, DK Metcalf. That's your top thirty Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney, Jaden Reid, Adam Thielen, Jamison Williams, and Keenan Allen.
Speaker 1: All Right, we are back to the Falcons, which I
Speaker 1: talked about at the top of the show. Darnell Mooney
Speaker 1: ECR thirty two. Michael Pennix is now your quarterback in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: What is your expectation of what he does or does
Speaker 1: not do for the pass catchers in Atlanta? And this
Speaker 1: ECR for Darnell Mooney specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this move was overdue, Welsh. They should have done
Speaker 2: it two weeks ago at least. Just an utterly unwatchable
Speaker 2: and terrible Monday night game between the Falcons and the Raiders,
Speaker 2: and the Falcons were clearly trying to hide Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: in that game, Like I don't I don't know how
Speaker 2: many times the Falcons threw the ball on first down.
Speaker 2: I don't think it could have been more than like twice.
Speaker 2: Like they were absolutely trying to hide. Kirk Cousins throw
Speaker 2: it to you.
Speaker 1: I just didn't just want to jump in. I recall
Speaker 1: one pass where it was first read, and that was
Speaker 1: a Drake London touchdown. It was like, because Drake London
Speaker 1: ate that corner up so bad. He was opened by
Speaker 1: a country mile. But everything else seemed to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't trust my first read, I don't trust my
Speaker 1: second rd. He can't move. That was just some of
Speaker 1: the takes. Like early season Aaron Rodgers, I was like, boy,
Speaker 1: he's stiff and he can't move. But then it kind
Speaker 1: of progressed and got better. Kirk Cousins still can't move,
Speaker 1: and he also never feels comfortable with his first read.
Speaker 1: And by the time you get to the second checkdown
Speaker 1: when you can't move, you've got guys in your face.
Speaker 1: You got wide receivers and tight ends that don't have
Speaker 1: incredible separation. I definitely blame it on him. I think
Speaker 1: there's some other things out there, but yeah, he looked
Speaker 1: and I think he's even acknowledged it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a shell of who he was before and clearly going
Speaker 1: to go down as a epically disastrous contract signing from
Speaker 1: this past year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Pennix has the reputation of being
Speaker 2: an excellent pure passer, and it's well earned. He's got
Speaker 2: a stronger arm than Kirk Cousins, and like he was
Speaker 2: known in college for his pinpoint accuracy, he put up
Speaker 2: just some huge, ridiculous circus numbers at the University of
Speaker 2: Washington his last couple of years there, and he helped
Speaker 2: get You can make the case that he helped Roma Duneesay,
Speaker 2: Jalen Pulk and Jalen McMillan all get drafted, probably higher
Speaker 2: than they should have been looking at the results from
Speaker 2: those three receivers in their rookie seasons. That said, I
Speaker 2: did not change the rankings of the Atlanta pass catchers
Speaker 2: this week, Welsh, after giving a great thought last night
Speaker 2: and this morning. So it's going to be the first
Speaker 2: start of Michael Pennock Junior's NFL career, and maybe he
Speaker 2: smashes right out of the gate in this not too
Speaker 2: daunting matchup against the New York Giants, But more likely
Speaker 2: it's going to be a bumpy first start, as it
Speaker 2: is for most quarterbacks in their first NFL starts. So
Speaker 2: you know, kind of you've got the washed up Kirk
Speaker 2: cousins versus the completely newbie Michael Pennix Junior making his
Speaker 2: NFL debut, which is going to be better for Atlanta receivers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Pennix, but it could be a
Speaker 2: rough ride this week. So I fundamentally like I'm sort
Speaker 2: of doing a blanket fade of receivers. I think you're
Speaker 2: starting Drake London under most circum stances. I think you're
Speaker 2: probably not starting Darnell Mooney unless you're really hard pressed.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're forced to start Ray McLoud,
Speaker 2: bless your soul, and you know, I hope you find
Speaker 2: the miracle you need to advance to Week seventeen.
Speaker 1: To Christmas miracle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think my biggest question is like, does Kyle piss
Speaker 1: get more involved with Michael Pennix. It's a tight end question,
Speaker 1: of course. I will say, if there's one thing you did,
Speaker 1: you want to like look at the skill set of
Speaker 1: Michael PENNOCKX to where that could work for any wide receiver,
Speaker 1: it would be Darnell Mooney because Darnell Mooney is you know,
Speaker 1: their best field stretcher, deep ball guy. Michael Pennix can
Speaker 1: get the ball deeper a lot better accuracy that might
Speaker 1: equate to it, but it is more speculative. And Mooney
Speaker 1: just put up a big old fat donut and they've
Speaker 1: got Bijon and everything like that. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: with you on this one. I've got him even a
Speaker 1: little bit lower. I don't really trust Darnell Mooney. Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen ECR thirty four, I'm right at consensus you are higher.
Speaker 1: He's getting more targets, he gets the red zone share.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams still a problem. We are week sixteen in.
Speaker 1: He still runs around the pocket for twelve minutes. He's indecisive,
Speaker 1: great talent and it'll get fixed over time, but his
Speaker 1: inconsistency has me uncomfortable at all times. He has ECR
Speaker 1: thirty six, but he has kind of been that big
Speaker 1: main target and I'm guessing that's why you have him
Speaker 1: ranked a bit higher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the biggest positive Welsh like. I know.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been pretty for Caleb for much of the season,
Speaker 2: and lately there have been some hiccups, but the one
Speaker 2: thing that has improved is his chemistry with Keenan Allen,
Speaker 2: which was not there early in the season, but over
Speaker 2: his last four games Keenan Allen has four touchdowns. He's
Speaker 2: had five or more catches in three of his last
Speaker 2: four games. And the nice little run that Keenan Allen
Speaker 2: is on started with the Bears game against the Lions
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving. You might recall Welsh that the Bears did
Speaker 2: not have a first down in that game until inside
Speaker 2: the two minute warning of the first half. But then
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen went bonkers in the second and a half
Speaker 2: and finished with five catches for seventy three yards and
Speaker 2: two touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And I just I still love this matchup.
Speaker 2: The Lions have been fairly tough on outside receivers this year,
Speaker 2: like I don't know if that'll still be the case
Speaker 2: with Carlton Davis hurt now, but they have been giving
Speaker 2: it up to inside slot receivers all year. Lions slot
Speaker 2: cornerback Amik Robertson is allowing one point four to five
Speaker 2: yards per route run into his coverage and PFF grades
Speaker 2: Robertson ninetieth out of the one hundred and fifteen cornerbacks
Speaker 2: they have graded this season. I just think this is
Speaker 2: a terrific matchup for Keenan Allen, and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: hoping for something close to a repeat of his Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: Day performance.
Speaker 1: Final wide receiver we will hit here is mister Adam Thielen.
Speaker 1: Adam Delon a lot of conversation this past week about
Speaker 1: who were starting him over. We had debates of like
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison versus Adam Thielen. It was a little bit
Speaker 1: underwhelming this past week. He only ended up having five catches.
Speaker 1: He had did have seven targets, but he does have
Speaker 1: twenty eight targets over his last three games. He's a
Speaker 1: clip eclipsed ninety nine yards in two of the last three,
Speaker 1: and he's going up against a whichever way you want
Speaker 1: to look at it, it's like a Median matchup against
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. It's not great, it's not awful. It's decently solid.
Speaker 1: They were favorites last week. There was kind of a
Speaker 1: disappointment spot there. Jalen Kocher obviously had like the huge
Speaker 1: play and he was the big like total wide receiver
Speaker 1: from a fantasy perspective, but Delan is the mass target
Speaker 1: guy and he's the guy that I think it is safe.
Speaker 1: It's like seven to eight targets plus per game. He's
Speaker 1: ranking relatively low this week. Do you think the shine
Speaker 1: is off a little bit and like what he can
Speaker 1: do for you? Is he at best fringe or do
Speaker 1: you think it's better to go for higher upside plays
Speaker 1: versus Adam Thlen who maybe is just settling in as
Speaker 1: like a decent five to six catch sixty yard guy.
Speaker 1: Do you want to play some bigger play options over him?
Speaker 2: There is some recency buy I spaked into this ECR
Speaker 2: for Adam Thelen Welsh. You know, he gave us seventeen
Speaker 2: catches for two hundred and one yards combined in weeks
Speaker 2: thirteen and fourteen, and then a step back last week
Speaker 2: with five catches for fifty one yards. Not bad, but
Speaker 2: obviously not as fun as those week thirteen and week
Speaker 2: fourteen numbers. So maybe the recency bias is a little justified, though,
Speaker 2: because Jalen Cocher back in the lineup might hurt feeling
Speaker 2: a little bit because Cocher takes some of those slot
Speaker 2: snaps and he's not exclusive.
Speaker 3: Now now neither guy is exclusive in the slot.
Speaker 2: They sort of move those guys around a little bit,
Speaker 2: so THELAN might line up outside more often with Cocher back,
Speaker 2: Probably not as good a thing for thelan's fantasy outlook.
Speaker 2: But Xavier Leggatt is out with a groin injury this week,
Speaker 2: so at least that means that Thelan and Cocher are
Speaker 2: likely to account for a very large percentage of all
Speaker 2: of Bryce Young's targets this week.
Speaker 3: So so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like mid range to back end wide
Speaker 2: receiver three. I think he's probably going to be in
Speaker 2: a lot of start sit questions for people this week
Speaker 2: because I do think he's kind of an on the
Speaker 2: fence guy.
Speaker 1: Let me just throw this at you real quick, a
Speaker 1: guy that I kind of like this week. There's not
Speaker 1: enough narrative behind it, but like Keon Coleman, I think
Speaker 1: it's more speculative, Like definitely flex play. You got a
Speaker 1: guy like Kean Coleman, who's a really big play option,
Speaker 1: great cornerback wide receiver matchup according to PFF, getting a
Speaker 1: few more targets in there, and then also throw in
Speaker 1: like a guy like Christian Watson. Kind of similar players.
Speaker 1: Christian Watson obviously can have really big plays. We're just
Speaker 1: looking for volume for him. Do you like, especially if
Speaker 1: you are reaching a tiny bit, do you see a
Speaker 1: scenario where you would start Christian Watson or Keyon Coleman
Speaker 1: over a guy like Adam Thielen, thinking maybe the upside
Speaker 1: is high, and maybe Kean Coleman's a bad example of it,
Speaker 1: you might like him a lot less than Watson. So
Speaker 1: if you want to just stick to Watson, do you
Speaker 1: think Watson's upside outweighs the floor of what you could
Speaker 1: get from feeling Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you can always get the big
Speaker 2: play from Watson or Keon Coleman. I just worry that
Speaker 2: you could also get two or three targets for both
Speaker 2: of those guys the entire game, you know, with what
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier about Jordan Love averaging twenty three pass
Speaker 2: attempts over like his last five games, and how run
Speaker 2: heavy the Packers have been, and how they're two touchdown
Speaker 2: favorites against the Saints and are probably going to be
Speaker 2: extra run heavy again in that favorable likely to be
Speaker 2: favorable game script. So I think I'd go with Adam
Speaker 2: Thielen and the you know, pretty safe target floor of
Speaker 2: six seven with the potential for ten, eleven, twelve.
Speaker 1: Deebo, Samuel Keon Coleman, Romeo Dobbs, Xavier Worthy, Michael Pittman.
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