1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm editor Candice Keener, joined by staff writer Jane McGrath. Hey, Jane, 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I said, the article we're going to talk about today 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: is actually one that came to my attention courtesy of 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Mr Stuff. You should know Chuck Bryant, because he'd been 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: doing some research on maritime mysteries and sunken ships and 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: sunken treasure. And he asked me, have you ever heard 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: of El Casador? And I said, now, I haven't. And 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: he said, did you know that this sunken ship and 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: effect doubled the size of the United States? And it 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: sounded too unbelievable to be true, But in a roundabout way, 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: it kind of is. So trying to have a great 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: article on our slape by our colleague Christin Conger explains 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: this whole thing, and we're gonna go over a little 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: bit of bit here. So we talked about the Louisiana 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: purchased in another cast, but it has a fascinating story 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: behind us. Candice was saying, has to do with a shipwreck. 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: What happened with Louisiana a territory back in the age 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: of exploration. It ended up in French control, and that 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: was because this really fantastically named Frenchman, Robert Cavalier de 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: las Sal actually discovered the mouth of the Mississippi back 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: in sixty two, that's right, and he was the one 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: who named it Louisiana, after King Louis the fourteenth, I believe, 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: And there were a couple of Louis that you're gonna 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: hear about. We'll try to remember other Reman numerals, but 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: if we don't, you know, Janell, stop me and let 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: me know. And LaSalle I think, had high hopes that 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: he was going to establish a settlement there, but it 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't really take off, and for a couple of reasons. 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: I think the primary reason for which it didn't really 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: take off or take hold of the settlement is because 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: it was so incredibly remote, and also the climate was 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: something that the French were unaccustomed to, and mosquitoes were 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: pretty crazy, so he did not succeed. The settlement that 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: he started didn't last very long, and an official settlement 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: didn't happen until about seventeen years later, and that was 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: in sixte nine with Pierre Syr deeper view. And I 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: really like saying these French names, and I don't know 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: if I'm getting them exactly right, but I'm sure if 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: there are any French listeners out there, they will let 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: us now. So he made a very successful settlement, and 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: then in seventeen eighteen louis actually established an official colony there, 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: so here we have New Orleans was the capital city 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: of this French colony, and it was a very important 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: trading post at the time. Obviously, the West Indies had 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: so many commodities that Europe wanted to get his hand 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: on hands on, and New Orleans was an important part 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: of that equation. So by the mid eighteenth century, France 50 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: was actually wrapped up in uh the Seven Years War. 51 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Although they were in possession of Louisiana territory, including New Orleans, 52 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: they wanted to get out of their hands um, but 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: not so much to not have it anymore, but rather 54 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: to keep it out of the British hands because they 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: were fighting the British and the Seven Years War, and 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: over here we often called the French and Indian War 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: because the colonies were involved in it too, But any 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: the French and the British were enemies and France sort 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: of saw their indcoming. They saw that they were losing 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the war, so they made a treaty with Spain, and 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: that was known as the Treaty of Fontainebleu, if I'm 62 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: pronouncing that right. So they handed over Louisiana territory and 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans was included in that over to Spain's control. 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: And as as we now know, France did lose. And 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: when England did ask them for all the handover their 66 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: their very valuable land, they didn't have Louisiana to hand over. 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: They did. And and we should mention that Louis and 68 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: the king of Spain, that was King Carlos the second 69 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: actually had a relation, a distant blood relation through the 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Bourbon side of louis family, so where the political ties 71 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: there obviously, So they were more friends with Spain than England. 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone would ever want to, let 73 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, Louisiana and especially in New Orleans go, but 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: if you had to give it away to someone better 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: your very distant cousin, than mean old England, that's a 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: good way to put it. So Spain found out pretty 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: quickly that the Louisiana terrytory was very hard to manage. 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Like we said before, it was very far away, and 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: it was a huge chunk of land. And so they 80 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: decided that something had to be done about dealing with 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: this remoteness and somehow keeping a hand on the crazy 82 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: counterfeiting and other uprisings that were going on in that 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: part of the world. That's where there was a shortage 84 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: of currency and this led to counterfeiting, and there's just 85 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: just crisis, economic crisis in New Orleans that uh, the 86 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: so Spain couldn't pay their own government workers to do 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: the work. And if you can't pay your government workers 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: and your soldiers, there's really no way to keep order 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: in a city. So in order to fix that, they 90 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: actually had a lot of silver commission to send over 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: in a ship known as il Calcador, and it the 92 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: ship contained a freshly minted silver and about nineteen tons 93 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: of it exactly. It came from very CRUs, Mexico. The 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: ment there some nineteen tons of silver coins and the 95 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: ship set out on January eleventh, seventeen eighty four, and 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: its mission was clear, take the money to New Orleans 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: and add some value back into the currency and say 98 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: the city. Unfortunately, and never made it now, it sunk. 99 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: It funk hard, y'all, and they didn't find it until 100 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: two years later, that's right. So it disappeared that they 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: declared it missing, and uh, New Orleans continued in their 102 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: economic crisis, and so basically it made the situation worse. 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: And uh it was just a problem on their hands. 104 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: Even though it was a valuable commodity to have New Orleans, 105 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: it was troublesome, it really was. And so enter Napoleon, 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: that's right. And we should say that France looked a 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: lot different between the time of the Seven Years War 108 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: when they gave it over to Spain and when Napoleon emerged. 109 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: If you've listened to our podcast on the French Revolution, 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: this happened during that time, and uh so France looked 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot different. And Napoleon was set on rebuilding the 112 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: power of his country and so he thought the key 113 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to getting friends powerful again was to start this great 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: empire in the west. He actually had control over what 115 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: is now modern day Haiti and the Dominican Republic and 116 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: these lands of these territories, and the work he had 117 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: commissioned there provided him with trade of sugar, coffee and 118 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: exotic produce. Very valuable things. But he also wanted to 119 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: get the Louisiana territory back from Spain, and as we said, 120 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Spain was certainly in a position to give it back 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: precise thing. So they made um a treaty known as 122 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: the Treaty of Sandel Defonso with Spain, which effectively, I think, 123 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: with a secret treaty, but anyway, it handed it back 124 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: to the power of France. But something happened to muck 125 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: up Napoleon's plans, basically for his his vast plans for 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: a Western Empire, and that happened with as we said, 127 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: the modern day Haiti territory. A slave uprising actually occurred 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: um in this territory, and our colleague Christian Conger talks 129 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: about how this is known as the only successful slave 130 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: uprising in history, which I found really interesting, and it 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: was started by those leaders known as Toussaint L'Ouverture, and 132 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: uh he led the successful revolt in this sort of 133 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: screwed up Napoleon's plans, as I said, at the end, 134 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: when he eventually lost control of the of the territory, 135 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: having Louisiana territory didn't make much sense to him anymore. 136 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: So if he if he lost control of this, of 137 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: this essential part of his Western plans, then there was 138 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: no point in having Louisiana territory. He didn't really want 139 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: it anymore. It was high time to unload it. And 140 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: if you have heard our podcast on the Louisiana purchase, 141 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: you know how that story went down. Thomas Jefferson decided 142 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: that he wanted to get his hands on that very 143 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: valuable port, and he is sent over an emissary, James 144 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: Monroe to try to negotiate getting New Orleans. That's right, Yeah, 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: we should emphasize Jefferson only one in New Orleans, only 146 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: wanted New Orleans, and he sent those specific budget and 147 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: gift with purchase. Napoleon said you want it, you take 148 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: the whole Louisiana territory, and like we emphasized before, that 149 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: turned out to be a very enormous parcel of land. 150 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: And in Jefferson instead it was signed for and it 151 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: is signed, sealed and delivered and being bang boom, there 152 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: goes the size of the United States. Just double yeah. 153 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: And Chuck's right, I mean in this ill Casador shipwreck 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: really was a key part. And it is interesting that 155 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: it was such a valuable territory and trading post in 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: New Orleans. But at the same time it was so 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: much trouble, and then it passed through three three countries 158 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: hands in a matter of I think three years, and 159 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: it's while Yeah, I mean we talked about the great 160 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: rivers of the world. You probably think of Amazon or 161 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: the Congo because they're so massive and rushing and mighty, 162 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: and they you know, neander and have so many different 163 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: types of wildlife and flora and fauna surrounding them. But 164 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: if you think about the truly powerful economics versus of water, 165 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: I mean, the Mississippi River was such a huge boon 166 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: to the United States and it's fledgling condition, and really 167 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: it helped build up a lot of controversy and secured 168 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of land for our very young nations. Uh. 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Back in there is a fisherman named Jerry Urphy and 170 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: he was just out one day by the Gulf of 171 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: Mexico fishing and his nets pulled up some really heavy 172 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: stuff and as it turned out, it was a bunch 173 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: of slover coins and they were kind of molded together. 174 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, It's the longer things stay under water, 175 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: the more different types of I guess bacteria and algae 176 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: and things grow on them, and so they fused together 177 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: and they formed like this big masive coil of coins, 178 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: and he thought, well, that's interesting, and he was on 179 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: his toes. He called his lawyer to see if he 180 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: could get rights to the sunken booty, and he was 181 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: granted rights, and he found the treasurer called in some 182 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: underwater archaeologists and they determined, oh, yeah, we remember this ship, 183 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: the El Casador. It went down back in the late 184 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds and Spain's been looking forward for quite some time. 185 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: And ironically the ship that Jerry Murphy was sailing in 186 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: that day was called the Mistake. But he didn't make 187 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: a mistake. He made a huge discovery. So it's a 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: good story, good story for everyone. Yeah, everyone involves. Thank god, 189 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: it's mystery solved. Jerry Murphy got some I guess, a 190 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: valuable find, and we had some thing else to talk about. 191 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: So another day in the life. 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