WEBVTT - #175 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Ray McCann

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I

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<v Speaker 1>writer and I'm Steve Drissen. Today we'll tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>a Michigan murder case with an unusual suspect, a small

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<v Speaker 1>town police officer named Ray McCann. After Ray helped investigate

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<v Speaker 1>the disappearance of a little girl, he was wrongfully accused

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<v Speaker 1>of her murder, cops turned on one of their own

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the worst cases of tunnel vision we've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>In pursuit of their only suspect, police turn Ray's whole

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<v Speaker 1>life into an interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things we've tried to do this season

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<v Speaker 2>is to show that you don't need a full confession

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<v Speaker 2>in order to bring charges against somebody. A false admission

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<v Speaker 2>that implicates you in the crime, or a false statement

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, a lie in this case could bring the

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<v Speaker 2>weight of the system down against an innocent person. And

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<v Speaker 2>all of that stems from what happens in the interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 1>Police have so much power over what you say in

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<v Speaker 1>the interrogation room and the way in which what you

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<v Speaker 1>say can be used against you in court. It's that

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<v Speaker 1>power and the misuse of that power that's what Ray

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<v Speaker 1>McCann's case.

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<v Speaker 2>Is all about We've seen tunnel vision in other cases,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've never seen tunnel vision that was this extreme,

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<v Speaker 2>this longstanding, and that included coercion both in and outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the police officers lying, right. The police officers

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<v Speaker 1>don't get charged. It's Ray who gets charged. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is asymmetric warfare.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it becomes even more asymmetrical when they charge

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<v Speaker 2>him with perjury. Ray mccannn a reserve police officer who

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<v Speaker 2>all he wanted to do was assist police. All he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do was to be a police officer. They

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<v Speaker 2>ran him over like a truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's story starts in Constantine, Michigan, a small town of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand people in the southern corner of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Constantine is an old fashioned dairy farming community, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of place that looks like time stopped a half century ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The town's historic main street is lined with shops that

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<v Speaker 1>have been kept immaculate for decades. Annual events like the

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<v Speaker 1>car show and barbecue cookoff are marked on everyone's calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the autumn of two thousand and seven, this

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan town was hit by a crime that no one

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<v Speaker 1>could have expected. It was November eighth, four forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>in the afternoon, only an hour before sunset. Eleven year

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<v Speaker 1>old Jody Perrick left her friend's house on her bike

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<v Speaker 1>and headed for dinner at home a half mile away.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Joe he didn't arrive on time, her mom

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<v Speaker 1>called the police, and words spread fast. As the sun

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<v Speaker 1>went down and temperatures plummeted too, it seemed like the

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<v Speaker 1>whole town was out searching for Jody. Joining the search

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<v Speaker 1>was Ray McCann, a forty year old family man born

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<v Speaker 1>and raised in Constantine. Ray was a reserve police officer

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<v Speaker 1>who hoped one day to join the Michigan State Police.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a full fledged cop, but he was allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to carry a badge and do basic police work like

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<v Speaker 1>making traffic stops and searching for missing people. In this

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<v Speaker 1>particular missing person case, Ray's son was good friends with Jody,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ray didn't have to be asked twice to help

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<v Speaker 1>look for her. Along with many of his neighbors, Ray

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<v Speaker 1>threw on a coat and went out to look for Jody.

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<v Speaker 1>He searched high and low at the baseball field, at

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<v Speaker 1>the Dollar General, even at a local riverside walking trail

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<v Speaker 1>called the tumble Dam Path. Others searched elsewhere, but no

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<v Speaker 1>luck for anyone, no Jody. Around ten thirty at night,

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<v Speaker 1>Ray met up with Jody's mom to talk about where

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<v Speaker 1>they should look next. That's when Ray McCann asked if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone had searched the cemetery. No one had, so Jody's

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<v Speaker 1>mom headed that way, followed by Ray in another car.

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<v Speaker 1>The cemetery is where they found Jody. She'd been sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted and strangled to death. Her bike was lying next

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<v Speaker 1>to her on the ground. Jody's mom bent down tried

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace her daughter's body, but Ray knew this was

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<v Speaker 1>a crime scene that shouldn't be disturbed. He gently guided

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<v Speaker 1>her away from Jody's body and sat her down in

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<v Speaker 1>her car. The police arrived quickly at the scene, but

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<v Speaker 1>as they hunted for leeds, they locked almost immediately onto

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<v Speaker 1>Ray McCann as a suspect because Ray had been the

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<v Speaker 1>person who suggested searching the cemetery. Based on that coincidence,

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<v Speaker 1>police questioned Ray that night. He adamantly denied involvement in

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<v Speaker 1>this horrible crime. Somehow, though reserve off Sir Ray McCann

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<v Speaker 1>became the sole suspect, the only person police focused on

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<v Speaker 1>for the next five years.

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<v Speaker 2>When someone discovers a body, they're going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>person of interest in a police investigation because of their

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<v Speaker 2>proximity to the crime. It's a basis for wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>question somebody about what they were doing on the evening

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<v Speaker 2>in question. But they focused on him as the sole

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<v Speaker 2>and exclusive suspect, and they did so because they grew desperate.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a crime that is absolutely devastating to this community,

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<v Speaker 2>and police did everything in their power to close that

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<v Speaker 2>vice on Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it's not like there was any evidence against Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Police compared Ray's DNA to the DNA left on Jody's body,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't match. No physical evidence implicated him, and

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<v Speaker 1>no eyewitnesses had identified him. But as Jody's murders sat

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved for years, pressure escalated on the authorities to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a culprit. After a new police chief was

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<v Speaker 1>elected in twenty ten, new investigators were assigned to the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and they immediately doubled down on prime suspect Ray McCann.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next few years, police interrogated Ray more than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty times. Again and again, police asked him to describe

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<v Speaker 1>what he did on the night of Jody's disappearance, where

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<v Speaker 1>he searched, who he talked to. During these interrogations, police

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<v Speaker 1>gradually but relentlessly upped the ante. The evidence against you

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<v Speaker 1>was insurmountable.

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<v Speaker 3>They told him, we know scientifically that you touched her body.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, no, I did not, and your people whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you can think that out of thinking that it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Proven now, that was a lie. But these kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>lies can be extremely coercive, even on a cop, even

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<v Speaker 1>on someone like Ray McCann.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys can do all you're talking and talking to

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<v Speaker 3>talk and talking, but you know what, I did my

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<v Speaker 3>job that night.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I knew what half dor because then I

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<v Speaker 4>guess we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>The way they questioned Ray was for one purpose, and

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<v Speaker 2>one purpose only, to get him to give them information

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<v Speaker 2>that they could use to charge him with this prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ray called them out about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, over and over again.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what you're trying to do. Give me,

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<v Speaker 4>Confessa something I didn't they have no power of, and now.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are doing in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. He knew exactly what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>You want me to admit to something I didn't do,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 4>You want a confession that I can't give you. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't find or I didn't put it there, didn't kill her.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more Ray insisted on his innocence, the more

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<v Speaker 1>police became obsessed with proving him guilty. Here's the really

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<v Speaker 1>twisted thing. Their obsession began to spread beyond the interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 1>They blamed Ray for Jody's death in the local media,

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<v Speaker 1>ruined his reputation, and they viciously attacked his personal life.

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<v Speaker 1>Police tracked down Ray's friends and relatives and worked to

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<v Speaker 1>turn them against him. Police told Ray's family that physical

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<v Speaker 1>evidence DNA proved he had killed Jody, even though that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't true, and they went even further for no clear reason.

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<v Speaker 1>They told Ray's wife that he'd been unfaithful. They falsely

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<v Speaker 1>told Ray's teenage son, the one who'd been friends with

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<v Speaker 1>Jody when he was younger, that his dad was a

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<v Speaker 1>drug addict. They also told the boy that his dad

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<v Speaker 1>was visiting online chat rooms the worst kind I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that these cops could imagine. Just listen to this.

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<v Speaker 3>The computer shows activity in a chat room regularly of

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<v Speaker 3>gay nature, homosexual behavior, talking about how this man on

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<v Speaker 3>man sexual encounter is going to go, and then how

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<v Speaker 3>it did go.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been no signs of any of that personally from that,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, is there any part of you at all that

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<v Speaker 3>questions your dad's sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>Or what you're saying is absolutely honest to God?

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<v Speaker 5>True?

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that it is your computer. I

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<v Speaker 3>took it off there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then yeah, of course it's going to make me

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<v Speaker 1>question it. None of this was honest to God true.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops were lying again, and that's bad enough, But

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they equated visiting gay chat rooms with

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<v Speaker 1>raping and killing an eleven year old girl, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's beyond offensive in any event. Until Ray confessed,

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<v Speaker 1>police were hell bent on taking his life apart peace

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<v Speaker 1>by piece, and I guess this cop thought that telling

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<v Speaker 1>Ray's teenage son that his dad was gay would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to accomplish that.

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<v Speaker 2>Their purpose was to make life for Ray McCann in Constantine, Michigan, unendurable,

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<v Speaker 2>to make his life so miserable and so painful that

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<v Speaker 2>they could bring him to a place where he could

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<v Speaker 2>confess to killing Jody Parrick.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite all this, years go by and Ray doesn't confess. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>the cops had to plan. They'll file charges against Ray

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<v Speaker 1>and see if that gets him to admit guilt. An

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<v Speaker 1>officer is caught saying as much during a taped interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Ray's wife. He's going to have to be charged.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer says, he'll get so scared he'll talk. It

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<v Speaker 1>may just come to that.

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<v Speaker 2>At a certain point in time, they should have realized

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<v Speaker 2>that Ray had nothing to do with this, and there

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<v Speaker 2>were all kinds of reasons for them to believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>beginning with the DNA evidence, But they didn't care one

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<v Speaker 2>bit about Ray. This was the first time that I

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<v Speaker 2>had seen tunnel vision so take over law enforcement officers

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<v Speaker 2>that they were willing to sacrifice the life of another

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<v Speaker 2>officer to close a case.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the police didn't have any evidence against Ray would

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<v Speaker 1>allow them to charge him with murder, so they came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a different plan and different charges. In twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>police served Ray mccannn with an investigative subpoena requiring him

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<v Speaker 1>to answer questions yet again about the night Jody disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Five years earlier because of the subpoena, though this time

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<v Speaker 1>Ray had to give answers under oath.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray did bring a lawyer with him. By this point

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<v Speaker 2>in time, Gray's reputation in the community was so damaged,

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<v Speaker 2>so tarnished. He couldn't go anywhere without people looking at

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<v Speaker 2>him as if he had killed Jody Parrick. So the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer advised him to go in and talk to the

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<v Speaker 2>authorities as a way to maybe put an end to this.

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<v Speaker 1>The police's subpoena strategy worked. It did put an end

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<v Speaker 1>to the harassment, but not the end Ray had hoped for.

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<v Speaker 1>After the interview, on July seventeenth, twenty fourteen, prosecutors accused

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<v Speaker 1>Ray McCann of lying under oath and charged him with

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<v Speaker 1>five counts of perjury. He was arrested and thrown into

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<v Speaker 1>the local jail. So did Ray McCann lie under oath.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of the five perjury charges were based on incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>minor inconsistencies between the details Ray remembered about the knight

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<v Speaker 1>Jodi died five years earlier, and the details that other

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<v Speaker 1>people remembered.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, what stands out to me in this story

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<v Speaker 5>is how a completely innocent man who is just out

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<v Speaker 5>trying to help got caught up in this web of

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<v Speaker 5>lies that was spun by the detectives. It's unbelievable that

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<v Speaker 5>that could have happened and frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Ken Colker, a journalist based in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been covering Ray McCann's case for years.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm an investigative reporter, so my job is to just

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<v Speaker 5>sniff around and look for things that seem wrong. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>the perjury charges seemed totally unfounded. I mean, if somebody

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<v Speaker 5>asked me what I had for lunch, I might say

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<v Speaker 5>taco bell, but maybe it wasn't and is that really

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<v Speaker 5>a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's one example of what Ray was charged with under oath.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray McCann said that at one point while he was searching,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw Jody's mom with a blonde haired kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>he thought Jody had been found. He testified that he

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<v Speaker 1>said to Jody's mom, oh good, you found her.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone agreed that a local seventh grader with blonde hair

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<v Speaker 1>named Katie was with Jody's mom during the search, but

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<v Speaker 1>Jody's mom couldn't remember whether five years earlier Ray had said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh good, you found her. One of these perjury charges

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<v Speaker 1>was based on this so called discrepancy. Here's another example.

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<v Speaker 1>Police told Ray they found his DNA on Jody's body,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that was a lie. In a desperate attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to provide some explanation, Ray made a guest. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>thought back to the moment he and Jody's mom discovered

0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.360
<v Speaker 1>her little girl's body. He remembered guiding Jody's mom away

0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.240
<v Speaker 1>and helping her sit down in her car. Maybe sometime

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<v Speaker 1>later the mother had been grieving over her daughter's body.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, maybe his DNA had been transferred from Jody's

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<v Speaker 1>mom to the little girl. But five years after the fact,

0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Jody's mom didn't remember Ray pulling her away, or taking

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<v Speaker 1>her to the car, or much of anything else from

0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.400
<v Speaker 1>that terrible moment. So the cops charged Ray with another

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<v Speaker 1>count of perjury.

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<v Speaker 5>What's interesting is that Ray McCann was a reserved police

0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.200
<v Speaker 5>officer and for some reason they turned on him. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the suspect they're focused on. So they're just hammering and

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<v Speaker 5>hammering and telling him far more lies than they claim

0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.440
<v Speaker 5>he told them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray's history as a police officer may have offered him

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<v Speaker 2>some protection against a false confession, but it couldn't protect

0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.320
<v Speaker 2>him against another weapon in the police officers arsenal, the

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<v Speaker 2>weapon of perjury. In Ray's case, they turned a series

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<v Speaker 2>of inconsistencies in his statements over a five year period

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<v Speaker 2>into perjurious lies. The penalties for perjury in Michigan are extreme,

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<v Speaker 2>and they charged him with five counts of perjury.

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<v Speaker 5>So under investigative subpoena, especially in a murder case, telling

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<v Speaker 5>a lie of police is actually punishable by up to

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<v Speaker 5>life in prison. The punishment is as bad as if

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<v Speaker 5>you committed the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of those five charges were based on ridiculous inconsistencies,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones we've talked about. The fifth charge, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was different. The fifth charge was based on Ray's sworn

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<v Speaker 1>statement that he'd searched for Jody near that riverside walking trail,

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<v Speaker 1>the tumble Dam path.

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<v Speaker 5>They claimed, well, that's a lie, because we've got video

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<v Speaker 5>showing that nobody went to the tumble Dam that time

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<v Speaker 5>of night. We don't see your car, we don't see

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<v Speaker 5>your headlights or whatever. There was a video camera on

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<v Speaker 5>this nearby creamery that supposedly was aimed right at the

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<v Speaker 5>tumble Dam. And the quote unquote lie that they got

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<v Speaker 5>him on was the fact that he said he was

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<v Speaker 5>at the tumble Dam, but the surveillance video proved he

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>Police claimed that video proved Ray was lying. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>an officer even took the stand at Ray's first court

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<v Speaker 1>hearing and swore that this video proved Ray had committed perjury.

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<v Speaker 1>For his part, Ray couldn't figure it out. He knew

0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he'd gone to the tumble Dam path that night to

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<v Speaker 1>search for Jody. But his trial approached and five possible

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<v Speaker 1>life sentences loomed, Ray finally broke He didn't confess to

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<v Speaker 1>killing Jody. Instead, on March twentieth, twenty fifteen, he pled

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<v Speaker 1>no contest to that fifth perjury charge.

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<v Speaker 2>A no contest plea is an admission that the state

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<v Speaker 2>has sufficient evidence against you to convict you. As a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of law, it's treated within the system just as

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<v Speaker 2>any other guilty plea would be treated.

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<v Speaker 1>For that plea of no contest to perjury, Ray received

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<v Speaker 1>a sentence of twenty months in prison. In exchange, the

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<v Speaker 1>state dropped the other four charges. They hadn't gotten Ray

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<v Speaker 1>for murder, but they'd gotten him for something, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that was good enough. Fast forward five months after

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<v Speaker 1>Ray entered his plea to August twenty fifteen, Ray was

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<v Speaker 1>in prison serving his perjury sentence, and every day was horrific.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a suspected child rapist and killer, and he

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<v Speaker 5>talked about, you know what other prisoners do to child

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<v Speaker 5>rapists and killers. He got dragged off of his bunk

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<v Speaker 5>one night, got smashed over the head with what he

0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.040
<v Speaker 5>thinks was a padlock, and somebody tried to gouge his

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<v Speaker 5>eyes out. I mean, that's what happened to the poor

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<v Speaker 5>guy in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>While Ray suffered, there was a development. A man named

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Furlong, who lived one town over from Constantine, lured

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<v Speaker 1>a ten year old girl into his garage and attacked her.

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<v Speaker 1>She escaped, thank god, and was able to lead police

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<v Speaker 1>to Furlong's door. They arrested him and took his DNA

0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and what did it match? The DNA left eight years

0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:29.840
<v Speaker 1>earlier on Jody Perick's body. Police questioned Daniel Furlong on

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<v Speaker 1>October eighteenth, twenty fifteen, and he admitted that he'd raped

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<v Speaker 1>and killed Jody. Furlong used to live in Constantine, a

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<v Speaker 1>few blocks away from the Parick family. When he saw

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<v Speaker 1>Jody riding by on her bike, he lured her into

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<v Speaker 1>his garage, just like the other girl. That's where he

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted and killed Jody. And he did it all alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Furlong told investigators he didn't know Ray McCann.

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<v Speaker 5>We saw the videotape of police interviewing Daniel Furlong, and

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<v Speaker 5>they were a lot nicer to him than they were

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<v Speaker 5>to Ray McCann. They asked Furlong, so what did you

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<v Speaker 5>think when you saw that in a newspaper that they

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<v Speaker 5>were focusing on Ray McCann, And he thought, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>in the clear.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in other words, the fact that the police had

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:18.880
<v Speaker 2>pursued this wrongful prosecution of Ray made Furlong feel enough

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<v Speaker 2>comfort to strike again, and that blew me away.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crystal clear Ray McCann was never involved in

0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Jody's disappearance. All he did was try to help a

0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.680
<v Speaker 1>distraught mom find her missing kid. The police's suspicions about

0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Ray had been wrong from the start. In November twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Furlong pled guilty to killing Jody Perrick by himself

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<v Speaker 1>and received a sentence of thirty to sixty years, but

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<v Speaker 1>the state wasn't ready to exonerate Ray mc cann. Not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray had been convicted of perjury, and the state insisted

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<v Speaker 1>that even if Ray hadn't committed murder, he had still

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<v Speaker 1>lied under oath.

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<v Speaker 5>I started in this case because we were doing stories

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<v Speaker 5>about the real killer who confessed and was getting sentenced

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<v Speaker 5>to prison, and nobody was talking about what happened to

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Ray McCann. It's like, well, what about this guy who

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<v Speaker 5>had nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>In December twenty fifteen, Ray was paroled from a Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>prison after serving his sentence. He was still a convicted felon,

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<v Speaker 1>a perjurer in the eyes of the law. It was

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<v Speaker 1>right around that time that his case came across Steve's desk.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray had been out of prison for a few months.

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<v Speaker 2>He was having a hard time reintegrating back in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>The police officers were still suggesting to the general public

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.639
<v Speaker 2>that he knew things about this crime and he had

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<v Speaker 2>spent twenty months locked up for something he didn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank God for Ken Colker for taking the interest to

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<v Speaker 2>tell this story about Ray, because if it wasn't for him,

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<v Speaker 2>I never would have known about the case.

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<v Speaker 5>I had seemed the work done by this Center for

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<v Speaker 5>Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern End I just reached out to

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<v Speaker 5>Steve and said, here's an interesting case.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so angry at what these law enforcement officers

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 2>had done to Ray, and so I called up the

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan Innocence Clinic at the University of Michigan Law School,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, will you work on this case with me.

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<v Speaker 1>The legal team's task was to prove Ray innocence of

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.199
<v Speaker 1>the only perjury charge he'd been convicted of. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the charge where the police had sworn under oath that

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<v Speaker 1>they had a surveillance tape showing the tumble Dam path,

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<v Speaker 1>a video that they said proved Ray had lied about

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<v Speaker 1>going there to search for Jody Well. Ken Kolker got

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<v Speaker 1>a hold of a copy of that videotape.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember going down to Ray McCann's home and meeting

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<v Speaker 5>Stephen Drisen down there. Yeah, that was like a could

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<v Speaker 5>have been a scene in a movie, actually standing around

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<v Speaker 5>this dining room table with my laptop open watching this

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 5>video that would eventually lead to Ray mccannn's case being dismissed.

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<v Speaker 2>What we saw was that you couldn't see anything from

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<v Speaker 2>the camera footage. It was simply too dark to make

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<v Speaker 2>out what kinds of cars were on the street, whether

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<v Speaker 2>there were any people on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't see the tumble dawn path at all, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone who was walking on it. So the legal team

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<v Speaker 1>actually went to the creamery, the business that had taken

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<v Speaker 1>the surveillance video, and looked at their security camera. The

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>creamery owner assured them that the camera hadn't been moved

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<v Speaker 1>since the night of Jody's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 5>The video camera wasn't even aimed at the dam The

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<v Speaker 5>surveillance camera that they claimed showed he wasn't there was

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 5>aimed elsewhere. I wish I'd have been the one that

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<v Speaker 5>noticed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Under no circumstances could the creamery camera footage have proven

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<v Speaker 2>that that Ray was not at the tumble damn path.

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>The whole damn thing was made up.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lie. The video was essentially worthless as evidence.

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>This video certainly didn't prove that Ray McCann had lied

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>under oath. Instead, what it proved was that the police

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>were the ones who had lied. In order to convict him.

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Ray's wish had come true. He needed to have some

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of evidence to demonstrate that he didn't lie at all,

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 2>but that the police officers were lying, and that camera

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:33.439
<v Speaker 2>footage proved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on that video. Ray's attorneys filed a motion for relief,

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<v Speaker 1>and on December seventh, twenty seventeen, the court threw out

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Ray's perjury conviction. Ray McCann was innocent of the murder

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and innocent of perjury. He was exonerated.

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<v Speaker 5>The prosecutor decided not to fight it and to allow

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<v Speaker 5>the judge to dismiss the case. And I just felt

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 5>great for Ray. I mean, you can't take away the

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.719
<v Speaker 5>twenty months that he's spent in prison, but you know,

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 5>at least he was able to clear his name.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the end of Ray McCann's legal ordeal. But

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to the officers who lied to convict him? Okay, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really hoping you're going to tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>after Ray was exonerated, these cops were tried for perjury.

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could tell you that, But nothing has

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:31.719
<v Speaker 2>happened to these police officers. The prosecutor eventually ended up

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 2>losing in his next election, but these police officers have

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>never faced any consequences.

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>They were the ones who lied, not Ray. They were

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the ones who should have gone down for perjury.

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the ultimate irony here.

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>And what about Ray McCann. What's life like for him?

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>In many ways, it's still really hard.

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they took a lot away from this guy.

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 5>He barely talks to one of his sons, this wife

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 5>divorced him, he missed the birth of a grandchild. I'm

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 5>sure there are people in that town who still think

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 5>Ray McCann had something to do with it. And so,

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 5>you know, his name is, in some people's eyes, is

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 5>still mud and constantine.

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 1>The only thing Ray McCann ever wanted was to find

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the killer of Jody Perick, and that's been accomplished. Now

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>raise free to put his life back together as best

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 1>he can.

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<v Speaker 4>Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh hey, Ray, it's Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing pretty good?

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>So you're living up north in Michigan. Have you got

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 1>snow on the ground yet?

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Actually just got some yesterday. I want to go

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 4>get some wood and stuff, and all of a sudden

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 4>it start coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about your wife, Ray, I'm delighted to hear

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that you're married.

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we got married in April twelfth. I actually on

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 4>my dad's birthday in twenty eighteen.

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a beautiful way to honor your dad. How

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>did you meet your wife.

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<v Speaker 4>We work together. If she caught my eye right.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Away, you must have caught her eye too.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I must have done something right. We were actually

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 4>in southwest Michigan there for a while, and we made

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 4>a decision to start a new life somewhere else because

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 4>it just, you know, it was hard for me. It's

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 4>been going a lot better since we made the move

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 4>up here. It really has I struggle at times, you know,

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 4>I met that I go through a lot of depression.

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<v Speaker 4>My wife knows I go through that, and she's there

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 4>for me. I am so thankful to my daughter Ashley.

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 4>She wasn't with me the whole time this was going

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 4>on and still is with me. And I just love

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the grandkids. They keep it busy, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a good man, Ray, and a survivor. Steve and

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<v Speaker 1>I are with you all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the jobs that we as innocence lawyers have

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<v Speaker 2>is to try to tell the story of our clients

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that can bring them back some measure

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<v Speaker 2>of their reputation. To tell the story in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that makes it abundantly clear that Ray McCann is innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't undo the trauma that Ray experienced, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least we can establish that he never committed the crime

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<v Speaker 1>he was accused of. In fact, a crime was committed

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<v Speaker 1>against him.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the arguments against allowing police officers to lie

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<v Speaker 2>during interrogations is that it creates a culture in which

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<v Speaker 2>lying is acceptable not only during interrogations, but when police

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<v Speaker 2>officers come into court and testify about cases, and that

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<v Speaker 2>may very well have been what happened here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to lie to get a confession, why not

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<v Speaker 1>lie to get a conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the strongest arguments for banning deception during

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<v Speaker 2>police interrogations.

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<v Speaker 1>When you allow police to lie, that sends a message

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<v Speaker 1>that truthfulness is not essential to the task of enforcing

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<v Speaker 1>the law, and of course it is. It's vital. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the story of Ray McCann. Join us next week

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<v Speaker 1>when we take you to Ada, Oklahoma to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about Tommy Ward. After detectives learned about a strange dream

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<v Speaker 1>he had, Tommy was accused of a local woman's murder

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<v Speaker 1>and found himself on death row. Tommy remains behind bars

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, but a team of lawyers, including our

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<v Speaker 1>Center on Wrongful Convictions, is fighting to end Tommy's Nightmare.

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